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Speaker 1: Welcome to Big Muki Golf live right here on Giants

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Speaker 1: dot com. John Schwell Glance medal with you two, one,

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Speaker 1: four or five on three hashtag Giants chat on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: How are you Lance? I'm doing all right? How things

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Speaker 1: with you doing? Okay? Well, the NBA Draft is tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: so kind of struck a little mind and accord here

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Speaker 1: looking at some of the young players and the Giants

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Speaker 1: the last three or four years in the draft and

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Speaker 1: around the league as well. We'll start with the Giants

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Speaker 1: talk about that, and then a few weeks ago we

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Speaker 1: actually did during the NBA finals. Uh Me, Lance and

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Speaker 1: Dan salam won't picked out who we think our Giants

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Speaker 1: top five, top five starting five would be if you're

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Speaker 1: forming a Giant basketball team. So we'll do that, have

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Speaker 1: a little fun with that as well. But Lance, why

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Speaker 1: don't you give me your take on the Giants draft

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Speaker 1: classes real quick and we'll go from there. Well, in

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Speaker 1: terms of the starting five, and we want to start

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Speaker 1: with the guys that have the most impact of the

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Speaker 1: potential start the rookies. Okay, Well, I mean when you

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Speaker 1: look at this year's class specifically in terms of who

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Speaker 1: may have the most upside, I think it goes without

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Speaker 1: saying st Quon Barkley tops the list, But I think

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Speaker 1: it's far more interesting John to discuss the players outside

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Speaker 1: of the first round and how quick glee they can

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Speaker 1: adapt to the new scheme and what exactly they could

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Speaker 1: do both on offense and defense. So you know, Will

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Speaker 1: Hernandez has a great opportunity outside of the first pick

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Speaker 1: for the Giants this year because he'll have a chance

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Speaker 1: to step in be a starting offensive lineman and be

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Speaker 1: a staple of this offensive line for years to come,

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Speaker 1: depending on obviously his health and his durability. But this

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Speaker 1: is a guy that is extremely physical even without the

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Speaker 1: pads on. I'm probably most anxious to see him put

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Speaker 1: the pads on in training camp, much more so than

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Speaker 1: any other player. Also, you know the ability for him

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Speaker 1: to go up and be tested against these various defensive

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Speaker 1: lineman that James Betcher is gonna move around in the

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Speaker 1: three four schemes. So I think he, to me is

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Speaker 1: the one that stands out the most. Then number two,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not going in order, it just seems to

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Speaker 1: work out that way, is Lorenzo Carter. Because there's an

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Speaker 1: opportunity on this roster right now, John, and we've talked

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Speaker 1: about this day in and day out on this show

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Speaker 1: for the pass rush to explode, and Lorenzo Carter is

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Speaker 1: that versatile player that perhaps James Betcher has a lot

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Speaker 1: of confidence in him. He'll continue to improve throughout the

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Speaker 1: year and he'll get more and more playing time and

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Speaker 1: that will give him an opportunity to come in within

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Speaker 1: the sub package and get after the quarterback because you know,

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Speaker 1: you're looking around the roster and you say, well, where

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Speaker 1: are the sacks gonna come from? Lorenzo Carter, I think

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Speaker 1: has a chance to help out in that category, but

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Speaker 1: he's got to show it. There's no sample size at

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Speaker 1: this point. Yeah, you know. For me, I mean, I said,

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Speaker 1: Will Hernan is at the Senior Bowl, so I have

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Speaker 1: a pretty good feel for him in pad. So that

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Speaker 1: doesn't get me super duper excited, only because I've seen it,

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Speaker 1: Uh Carter in the past. Rush against Eric Flowers one

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Speaker 1: Carter has been lining up on that side of the

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Speaker 1: spring practice at least, and then b J Hill to me,

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Speaker 1: I want to see him use his physic physicality. That's

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Speaker 1: what kind of has me more excited from this year's

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Speaker 1: rookie class. And you know kind of what he can do,

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Speaker 1: and you know how he uses his physicality with his quickness.

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Speaker 1: We've seen the quickness without pads On. I want to

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Speaker 1: And I did talk to him in the last uh

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Speaker 1: And he talks basically how, yeah, he's playing technically a

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Speaker 1: in previous years. Yeah. Absolutely, And if you want to

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Speaker 1: Evan Ingram. Look, he did well last year. I think

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Speaker 1: to emphasize, there's opportunity within the defensive line, within the

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Speaker 1: And Avery Moss is right in there, Lorenzo Carter is

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Speaker 1: well and actually really need to step their game up

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Speaker 1: I think this is a golden opportunity for Darry and Thompson.

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Speaker 1: kind of defense that we're playing. But if they can

430
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Speaker 1: occupy some block ers, wow, I mean Ogletree, some people

431
00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,919
Speaker 1: might think this is an exaggeration, but we're talking fifteen

432
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Speaker 1: sixteen tackles the game. If that front line, I think,

433
00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:14,560
Speaker 1: if that, if that front line, um, it really comes through.

434
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Speaker 1: And I like the players there. I like the front

435
00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:20,280
Speaker 1: line players on that defensive line. So yeah, but I

436
00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:23,280
Speaker 1: think we'll not ogle Tree is a player, and I

437
00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,879
Speaker 1: think we'll notice that right away. Um, you've got some

438
00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:31,639
Speaker 1: time talk offensive line? Yeah, okay, Um, it seems like

439
00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:33,920
Speaker 1: coming I don't want to say going into training camp.

440
00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:35,320
Speaker 1: I just want to say coming out of O. T

441
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Speaker 1: a S. Because you never know who they're going to

442
00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:39,840
Speaker 1: pick up and what they're really thinking about these players.

443
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:43,280
Speaker 1: But it seems like, or it seems like there are

444
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Speaker 1: ten guys who they're looking at who seemed to be,

445
00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,720
Speaker 1: you know, the first and second line players. Ten guys

446
00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,399
Speaker 1: aren't going Ten offensive linemen aren't going to aren't going

447
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,600
Speaker 1: to make the final fifty three. But it seems like

448
00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,040
Speaker 1: it's it's coming out of O. T a S. It

449
00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:02,320
Speaker 1: was pretty well set was playing where and you know,

450
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,919
Speaker 1: it's interesting. It seemed like, now you guys saw more

451
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 1: practice than I did. Obviously obviously just listening to you

452
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:13,160
Speaker 1: guys and reading what I could in the newspaper. Um,

453
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,800
Speaker 1: it seemed like Wheeler was a right tackle. Yeah, and

454
00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:21,440
Speaker 1: practice starting right tackle. But it seems like, I mean

455
00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:25,400
Speaker 1: didn't get any time at left tackle. I did not

456
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,600
Speaker 1: see him there much and Len. The reason I think

457
00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:29,800
Speaker 1: why though, is that he really had never played right

458
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Speaker 1: tackle before, so I think if he's going to be

459
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,520
Speaker 1: the swing tackle, they want to give him as many

460
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Speaker 1: reps so he could be comfortable on the right side

461
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Speaker 1: as possible. I would think you'll see him a little

462
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 1: bit more left once you get the training camp. Peckton

463
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,480
Speaker 1: was the main backup left tackle right. Yeah, yes, I know,

464
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 1: I know, and that led me to begin to think,

465
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:55,920
Speaker 1: um is Beckham the last offensive lineman on the fifty three.

466
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Speaker 1: I mean, if they really see Wheeler as a right

467
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 1: tackle and possibly pushing Eric a little bit, that's the hope,

468
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,159
Speaker 1: so we don't get too confident over there, and we

469
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 1: keep pushing them. Is there a chance that we might

470
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 1: see you know, the ninth maybe even the eighth lineman

471
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Speaker 1: being if if if Wheeler is is strictly a right tackle. No, See,

472
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Speaker 1: that's the thing. I don't think Wheeler is strictly a

473
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Speaker 1: right tackle. And I think they're only playing him there

474
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Speaker 1: because he hasn't done it before and they're trying to

475
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Speaker 1: get an experience, so I think. But I think before

476
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:34,440
Speaker 1: the spring they were afraid he was only a left tackle,

477
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,640
Speaker 1: and that's exactly and in college, and so that's why

478
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 1: they're playing with the right side so we can also

479
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 1: play right as well as left. They know he can

480
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,440
Speaker 1: play left already, that's why they're giving him time at right. Lenn,

481
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Speaker 1: I agree with John, And the other thing I'm gonna

482
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Speaker 1: add before we let you continue, is before you start

483
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 1: speculating about Beckton's chances of making the team, no disrespect

484
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 1: to him. I think if Wheeler and Flowers show them enough,

485
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 1: then I think you have to sufficient backup left tackles

486
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Speaker 1: on the team. Correct about having to worry about keeping

487
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 1: a guy that just plays left tackle, if that's if

488
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: that's what you are trying, and a lot of people

489
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 1: out there, and some of you know, the group who

490
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,439
Speaker 1: calls in who hope that we never see Flowers at

491
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 1: left tackles, Well they're foolish. Yeah, okay, all right, but

492
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Speaker 1: that's that is a prevailing opinion, though, would you agree, Well,

493
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 1: I'll let John answer that. No. Look, look, I've heard that,

494
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Speaker 1: But to me, I don't see how you can make

495
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Speaker 1: the argument that Eric Flowers is not one of the

496
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,959
Speaker 1: three best tackles on this team. I mean, he did

497
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 1: to me. If you watch practice, which I do every day,

498
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 1: it's obvious as the sun and the sky that he

499
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 1: and look I'm not telling you he's a Pro Bowl.

500
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,360
Speaker 1: I'm not telling he's a he's a great start. I'm

501
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 1: just telling you of the guys on this roster, he's

502
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 1: one of the three best guys. He's going to be

503
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 1: on the team, and he should be on the team.

504
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 1: Whether or not people are tired of looking at him

505
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: or not, it doesn't matter. His talent deserves a spot

506
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 1: on the roster. I know you guys don't like to

507
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 1: read in the things, but I'm gonna try to draw

508
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 1: you into a conversation here about Halapio. And I'm not

509
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 1: pronouncing the name right, Halapio, but it's it's like it's

510
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 1: like Lapeno without the end. Halapio. Great, good name, good name.

511
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 1: Um you read anything into his I know Stapleton came

512
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 1: on a couple of weeks ago and said, you know,

513
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,679
Speaker 1: I think maybe maybe they're playing Jones with the second

514
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 1: string because um, you know, they want those guys to

515
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 1: have somebody who's got some experience along that line. But

516
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 1: that that that flies in the face of a lot

517
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 1: of people's belief that developing continuity with the first line

518
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 1: is extremely important. And why if if Jones was the

519
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: starting center, why would you're playing with the second team.

520
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: I don't see you read anything into I don't feel

521
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 1: I don't see any indication of that. I see where

522
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: arts coming from. I just think the reason I think

523
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 1: people have thrown that out there as a possibility, I

524
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 1: think there are some logic to it. I think people

525
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 1: just so surprised. I mean, this okay thing kind of

526
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: came out of left field. I mean when we were

527
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 1: when when we were taking calls back in you know, February,

528
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: March and April, heck, even as early as you know,

529
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: early May. I don't think a lot of people were

530
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 1: sitting there saying, well, I think John Hall appeal is

531
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 1: really gonna push Brett Jones, and that starting said the job.

532
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: I mean, he came out of left field, so I

533
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 1: think exists. So I think people are kind of looking

534
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: for um explanations for it or however you want to

535
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: put it, And I think that's why you're hearing stuff

536
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 1: like that. But look, I have to trust what I see.

537
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 1: I think that is a fifty fifty job. And frankly,

538
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 1: Halipeo got more reps with the first team than Jones

539
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 1: in the last two three weeks of the spring. So

540
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 1: from what I was reading him from one of what

541
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 1: I heard on the show and go forth, and I

542
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe he's, you know, a sturdier guy. Um uh,

543
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 1: maybe this is you know, two old line I know

544
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 1: a lot of you. You You know, if you say to people,

545
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 1: what's the most important position on the offensive line, And

546
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: it's hard to argue against left tackle. Okay, it's hard

547
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:05,360
Speaker 1: to argue against that. But I'm a big guy. I've

548
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,479
Speaker 1: always said this, the importance of the center and the

549
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: size of the center and the leadership of the center.

550
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,360
Speaker 1: Uh you know, Okay, maybe it's not quite as important

551
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: as that left tackle, but I put it up there

552
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: pretty high. And maybe that's what you know, A captain

553
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 1: from Florida, Uh, you know, a draft choice from New England,

554
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 1: you know, same guy obviously in a big, dirty guy.

555
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a strong man. Um. Maybe that's

556
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 1: what they saw in the off season on the film

557
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,479
Speaker 1: and that's why they just moved in that direction quickly.

558
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,199
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you one thing, I will never forget

559
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: one play that Brett Jones made that last that last

560
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: game of the season against the Redskins last year, on

561
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: the blocked extra point when the guy was running down

562
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: the field had the ball and Jones ran fifty yards

563
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 1: and nailed that guy in about the fifty yard line.

564
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: Just great hustle play. Thank you are appreciate the call.

565
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 1: The phone call, I agree with lab center is important. Listen,

566
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: you're talking about the chemistry between the quarterback and the

567
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: middle offensive lineman. So you know you can't just brush

568
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 1: that aside. I think there's a few other things that

569
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: come to mind, you know, for people that maybe want

570
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 1: to read into it. I say this about Dave Getleman

571
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: and the rookies and anybody that was brought into the

572
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 1: roster before this year. There is absolutely no alliance between

573
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: Pat Sherman and any of these offensive lineman and How Hunter,

574
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: the new offensive line coach, John and any of these

575
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: offensive linemens. So you know, how is probably looking at

576
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 1: film in the off season, and it doesn't mean that

577
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 1: he doesn't think Brett Jones is a good center, but

578
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: he may say to himself, there's some things he's seen

579
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: out of Halapio and he wants to see him in

580
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 1: that spot and better to develop some chemistry and get

581
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 1: reps with Eli Manning in the first team. John, if

582
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: you think that you want to give him more reps

583
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: when they put the pads on, as opposed to just

584
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 1: throwing him in the mix there for the first time. Yeah,

585
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: I mean when I did my five to ways from

586
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: the spring story at the end of last week. It's

587
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Speaker 1: on giants dot com check and I throw a look

588
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: at it. My fifth point, it was kind of more

589
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: of an overall twenty feet look type of thing, and

590
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: it was simply that we have no idea what the

591
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 1: back end of this roster is going to look like

592
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: at the end of the summer, because just like you said,

593
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: this front office and the coaching staff, neither group has

594
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: any loyalty to anybody on this roster. The only guys

595
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: that were here for when Dave gun when you hear

596
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: that was here the first time, Zach the Austin, El,

597
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: him Manning. Everyone else is gone. Okay, they're all gone,

598
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: So there's no loyalty. We don't know even take loyalty

599
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: out of out of the picture. We don't know how

600
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: Pat Charmer and Dave Gentleman view these players. We don't

601
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: know how they viewed them when they were drafted by

602
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: the Giants. We don't know how they view them since

603
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: they've been professionals. We have no idea. Maybe they think,

604
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: you know, the old regime might have loved carry win.

605
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: Maybe this group thinks, you know, Josh Banks is better

606
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: than him. I don't know that. You know. Maybe maybe

607
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: they think, you know, Avery Moss should have been on

608
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: a drafted for agent, not a fifth round pick. Again,

609
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: I'm just throwing out random things. I don't know, but

610
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: nobody does. And I think we're gonna have a lot

611
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: more surprises than usual when we get to that final

612
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: fifty three from what people might think with the names

613
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: that they know then we've had in years past. Well,

614
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: but you know what, if Halla Pio wins the center job,

615
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: I would not be stunned, and I don't think anybody

616
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: else should be stunned, regardless of how well they think

617
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: they that Brett Jones has performed in the past. Because

618
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: here's the thing, John, you know you talked about, we

619
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: don't know how they view you know, some of the

620
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: current players on the team that were on the team

621
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: last year, Well, they chose not to resign justin pew Okay,

622
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: so there's one change they made. John Jerry is not

623
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: lining up with the starting unit, and Western Richard bergs okay,

624
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: Western rich Burg's gone. There's another change. They moved Eric

625
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: Flowers from the left side to the right side. So

626
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: when you look at the offensive line, I mean, would

627
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: it be stunning to say, hey, they want to go

628
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: in a different direction with the starting center. Let me

629
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: ask you this, would you be shocked if both Jones

630
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: and Halapio weren't on the final fifties? Yes, that would

631
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: be stunning. Do you think both guys are on the team?

632
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: I right now, I'm penciling both in on the team, correct,

633
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: And because you think both guys can back up center

634
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: or guard versatility, mare with you, no doubt with you.

635
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: But but here's the thing, John, what's interesting with you

636
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: bringing that up is with both of them being able

637
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: to play guard and center, and then you have oh

638
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: mom ay and you have Hernandez, where does John Jerry

639
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: fit into this equation? And is much more fascinating? I

640
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: don't know through John Greg go into that mixed too.

641
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: I think him. I think those are the two veterans,

642
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: and just assuming Wheeler is the third tackle, maybe he

643
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: will be, maybe he won't. But assuming you're gonna have

644
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: those three tackles, those two center guards, that's five guys.

645
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: You have the two starting guards. You're up to seven, Um,

646
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: are you gonna keep eight or nine offensive? Are you

647
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: gonna keep seven or eight offensive lineman? That's the question.

648
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: If you're keeping, you know, eight, then you can keep

649
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: one of John Jerry or John Greco. If you're only

650
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: gonna have seven on your fifty three, which I think

651
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: is a little bit with I think you gotta keep it.

652
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: I think you keep eight. You don't have to use

653
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: the versatility, but I think you want to keep eight

654
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: and one of those guys probably won't be active then

655
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: on game days and you're just seven guys active on Sundays,

656
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: which is okay. How is that battle gonna work out

657
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: between Greco and Jerry or maybe somebody else that we're

658
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: not thinking about? Or do you keep a guy that

659
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: can play tackle and guard, um, that you think can

660
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: swing between two spots. Do you think John Jerry, who

661
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: has played a right tackle in the league before, do

662
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: you still think he can do that? Or do you not?

663
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to tell. That's good question.

664
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: I think that's something one of the interesting low key

665
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: end of the roster battles will see over the course

666
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: of the summer. I think that's a very valid point.

667
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: And the one thing I will add to that based

668
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: on what our discussion just showed, and this is something

669
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: I've been preaching all off season. No matter what you

670
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: think of this offensive line, you're looking at a bench

671
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: this year on depth chart that's gonna have a lot

672
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: of experience. Because just think about this, John If, Greco,

673
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: Jones and Jerry Okay are three backups, or let's even

674
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: Factor and Wheeler because we're Okay, Wheeler, Greco and Jones,

675
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: whatever you're talking about, two of those three players have

676
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: had legitimate starting experience. I'm not just talking about one

677
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: season of like three games. I'm talking about multi seasons

678
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: where they've been in a starting spot. They understand what

679
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: it means to suit up for sixteen games and go

680
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: out there and compete. Wheeler would be the exception. And

681
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: Wheeler even to that matter, has at least a game

682
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: or two of starting experience under his belt because of

683
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: what he was thrown in last season. You then compare

684
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: that to previous seasons and the Giants going in to

685
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: start the year and what the backups look like. Of

686
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: the depth chart and the limited starting experience, to me,

687
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,959
Speaker 1: it's night and day that you're looking at before we

688
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: even start to see who's gonna win the jobs. I

689
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: think there's a lot more experience on the back end

690
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: of this roster, at least at the offensive line position,

691
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: which to me is of early positive. This is not

692
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: necessary a positive, as we make the star treatment that

693
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: this man gets on this program is an injustice to society.

694
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: I just need to make that very clear. Well, because

695
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: here's the thing, less kind of mocking. I don't think

696
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: anybody even pays attention to the quality the fact that

697
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: he even gets in open, whether it's respectful or disrespectful.

698
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: For example, Len, who called him first on this program,

699
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: has been just as much of a veteran presence as

700
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: Charlie on this program. And I don't see anybody campaigning

701
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: for Lenn to get his own intro. So I'm sorry

702
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: that had to be made clear. And and it's no

703
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: surprise we're talking about the offensive line and guess who

704
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: called Lens. If you want to go out of your

705
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: way and take the time and create an open for Lenn,

706
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: I'm happy to pay. Well. No, no, no, I'm not

707
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: campaigning for me to make it open for anybody. I'm

708
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: an equal opportunitist, and what I think it should be

709
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: is if one person is getting an intro and nobody

710
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: else is I have a problem with that. I'd rather

711
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: than nobody gets an intro. That's my philosophy. But anyway,

712
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: let the tremendous insight that we're gonna get job going

713
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: your job by being by calling in and having this intro,

714
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: so you should be happy. And how exactly are you

715
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: keeping my job going? Intro? That that's much more interesting

716
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: to hear well, because all the follows who call in

717
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: and like to wrap on me and proll me, so basically, well,

718
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: I'll say, you're basically saying that you provide us with

719
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: content that we wouldn't be able to create if you

720
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: did call it. Okay, I've now seen Yes, Okay, I

721
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,720
Speaker 1: got too thick a Hi John. By the way, Hi Charlie,

722
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: how are you you don't need the pleasant trees on

723
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 1: this program? Yeah? I got something on the defense that

724
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: is something new. Okay, what do you all right? The defense?

725
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: To me, this could end up being a defense that

726
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: gives up a lot of big plays because if we're

727
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: not getting there on all these blitzes and these you know,

728
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: exotic things that we're trying to do, if we don't

729
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 1: get the Pa Gass rush there. There's gonna be people

730
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: wide open all over the place. So I'm just saying

731
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: the Giant Nation, don't be surprised if we give up

732
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: a lot of big plays, especially the first two three

733
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: games before these guys get their communications really down. So

734
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,240
Speaker 1: I can see us really giving up some big plays,

735
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: and I hope our offense is gonna make it up

736
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 1: by having some really big plays with all the playmakers

737
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: that we're gonna have on the field. Well, what concerns

738
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: you most about the defense in terms of giving up

739
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: big places? Are you talking about the secondary? Are you

740
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: talking about the front seven maybe not being able to

741
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,280
Speaker 1: get to the quarterback? Well, I'm talking about kind of both.

742
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: I mean, if we're you know, blitzing, say you know

743
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: we're blitzing Collins or blitzing a d back or we're blitzing.

744
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: Now we're gonna are you know, all of a sudden

745
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: O V has to cover a linebacker or I mean

746
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: tight end going across the middle because he is, you know,

747
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: not blitzing because it's blitz The blitz is coming from

748
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: somewhere else. What's gonna happen is if we don't get

749
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 1: to the quarterback. We're gonna they're gonna have a lot

750
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: of mismasses on us, and I can see some big

751
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: plays happening. I think that's fair. I think it's a

752
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: fair worry, Charlie. Yeah, especially if they don't have their

753
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: communications found. Pat and h e. I. Apple seemed to

754
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: have a problem with communications most of his two years

755
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: he's been in the league. You know, hopefully you know

756
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: he won't. But I just that's all I'm saying, is

757
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: I just think we're gonna give up a lot of

758
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 1: big plays. I look at it together. Yeah, I hear you.

759
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: And the way I look at it is this. You

760
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: can get away with not having a great pass rush

761
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: if you have a great secondary. You can get away

762
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: with with not having a great secondary if you have

763
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: a great pass rush. Look at the Eagles last year,

764
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: for example. They did not have a great secondary, but

765
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: they did rush the pass her well. Um, once you

766
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: get into a situation where you're not getting to the

767
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: quarterback and you're having issues in the back end, you're finished.

768
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: So the Giants don't have to be great on both sides.

769
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: They don't have a great pastors had a great secondary,

770
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: but they need to be good enough at one of

771
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 1: them so the water doesn't start streaming down the mountain.

772
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: We're so fast and the boulder doesn't start rolling that

773
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: you can't recover from it, all right, Because I mean

774
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys we got back there are

775
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 1: besides uh Jack Rabbit and hopefully Eli Apple is gonna

776
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: play like he should play. But after that, you know,

777
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 1: we've got a lot of journeyman that's going to be

778
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,959
Speaker 1: back there in d T. I don't think he's gonna

779
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: just all of a sudden specked it up and become

780
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: this incredible free safety that's just gonna like catch a

781
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: million interceptions. So you know, I think he is who

782
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: he is, and maybe you know Betcher's system is going

783
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: to be better for him. But I think we've got

784
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: to look somewhere else there, And let me just go

785
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 1: back to the offense. My god, if we're putting all

786
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 1: our eggs in the flowers basket again, two administrations have

787
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: been burned by this guy. The eggs have been broken

788
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: for Kaughlin, they've been broken for Macadoo. And if we're

789
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: this is the guy we're depending on to be our

790
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: right tackle starter, we're indeed trouble. I can understand they'd

791
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: want to give him another chance, but bring in a

792
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: veteran right tackle to compete. So Flowers breaks the eggs

793
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 1: again and he's terrible. We've got somebody who can take

794
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: If the Giants, Charlie, if the Giants pro personnel people

795
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: believed and available veteran was better than what they had

796
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 1: on the roster, he'd be on the roster. There there

797
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: are veterans better than him out there. No, no, no, no, no, no,

798
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: there's one guy. There's one guy out there that's on

799
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: your list. Okay, let's let's not being around the push.

800
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: No no, no, no no, Let's let's get right to

801
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 1: the point. There's one guy out there that hasn't played

802
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 1: football in about ten years. Okay, that's on your list.

803
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,760
Speaker 1: That's the guy you trot in. Okay, no, no, no, no, Charlie,

804
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: you know, let's not act as if there's fifteen legitimate

805
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: starting right tackles out there in free age. Let me

806
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: ask you this. No, but at least, but here's the thing,

807
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: in all seriousness, Charlie, Okay, John and I were going

808
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 1: through the depth chart. What happens if they give Shad

809
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: Wheeler more and more reps and they feel he has

810
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: some upside. What's wrong with developing a young guy as

811
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: an insurance policy as opposed to going out and grabbing somebody.

812
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: To your point that just because he started a few

813
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: games elsewhere means that he will be able to fit

814
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: in and be a productive player. What I'm saying is,

815
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,760
Speaker 1: if Flowers bombs out, you really want him your swing tackle.

816
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: When he showed you he can't play that I just

817
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: can't play right. But you didn't answer my question. I'm

818
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: talking about what about Wheeler? Yeah? Wheeler? Yeah? Fine, But

819
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: then Wheeler what Wheeler going to be? He's going to

820
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: be your starting right back. Charlie, Charlie, you're assuming the

821
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: pro person. Hope people aren't looking at the guys that

822
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: are available. That was that was nothing would make them

823
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: much more. Gettleman's job when he was here. Ken Sternfeld,

824
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: who runs the department now is was basically Dave gettle

825
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: Man's deputy. They literally, I mean you saw how many

826
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: releases giants sent that on the spring, clearing certain players

827
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: out of the back end of the roster and adding others.

828
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: They're constantly looking for the best players that are available,

829
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: and if they believe there were players available that were

830
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: better than the players and the roster. They would have

831
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: cut the players that were worse and brought in the

832
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: players that were better. Now, obviously you have a different opinion. Um,

833
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: I think we all have different opinions on who we

834
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: think knows more about the players that are available on

835
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 1: the street. But that's where we are. Trust me, they're

836
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: not choose, they not design people just because of Flowering.

837
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: Go ahead, we bring in Jones, right, Who's the tackle

838
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,280
Speaker 1: trying to become a offensive alignment. So that's the guy

839
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: that we are going to count on to possibly be

840
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: some depths. I mean, all I'm saying is you cannot

841
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 1: put all the eggs and the Flowers basket again. That

842
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: Wheeler is here there, All the eggs are in the

843
00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: Flowers basket. That's why Chad Wheelers here, Chad Wheelers. This

844
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 1: is the second year, for God's sake. I mean, you

845
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: got to bring in a veteran, so then you give

846
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: real competition and then a Flowers. Fine, then fine, then

847
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: you can cut the veteran if you want to keep Wheeler.

848
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: But you've got to look. All I'm saying is if

849
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: Flowers blows this up again, which he's done every year

850
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: he's been here, and he will blow this up again.

851
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: Our aches are in this guy's basket, and then all

852
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna have is Chad Wheeler, and then we're gonna

853
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: have Veton. Well, Charlie, how about this, Charlie, how about this?

854
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: I think the Giants want to give Flowers the most

855
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: reps of as possible at right tackle right now, right

856
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: because he hasn't played there a while. You want to

857
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: see what he can do. Right For these veterans that

858
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: the free agent market, you pretty much know what they

859
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: can do based on their history in the legal Okay,

860
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,760
Speaker 1: so here's here's my guess. The Giants have the radar

861
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: on if, like you, they do believe that maybe one

862
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: of these right tackles that are elbow are better. And

863
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if they think that or not. They

864
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: might not. I have no idea. They'll wait a couple

865
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 1: weeks in the camp and if they settle, think Garret

866
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: Flowers is there, if they bring in one of these

867
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 1: veteran tackles, you know, between the first and second preseason games,

868
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: or even after the second preseason game, if one of

869
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: these veterans that you're talking about has been the league

870
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: for seventy years. You give him three or four weeks,

871
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: they get ready for the regular season and a couple

872
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: of preseason games, they're gonna be okay. So I think

873
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 1: that down the road is an option, and it will

874
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: continue to be an option. But I think in the meantime,

875
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: why give valuable reps and right tackle to a veteran

876
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: then knows what he's doing over there already when you

877
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: can give it to a guy like Flowers trying to

878
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: get it, That's that's not very smart to me. But anyway, no,

879
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: I agree as long is as long is they're smart

880
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:47,399
Speaker 1: enough to understand that Flowers could implode anytime. And if

881
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,959
Speaker 1: they're smart enough to know that, and they're just giving

882
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: them some string to see what he's doing, you know

883
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: it see easy to look good. And when no contacts

884
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: go that's why they gotta wait to put the pads on. Charlie.

885
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: To your point, that's exactly They're gonna be able to

886
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: tell a lot more on what Flowers could do it

887
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: right tackle in the first few weeks of training camp.

888
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 1: But the problem is is he is he getting better

889
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: on technique? That's an issue. It isn't you know, he's

890
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: never had any technique. That's why, and that's also going

891
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,720
Speaker 1: to have to be evaluated once the going. Hey, well, Charlie,

892
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: Lance and I have never gone on the show and

893
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: told you that we think Flowers is automatically going to

894
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: be a better player because he's going to right tackle.

895
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:30,919
Speaker 1: We have never made that argument. We've both been very

896
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,439
Speaker 1: clear about that that it's just as important as left

897
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: tackle and it is not, in any way in its

898
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: nature an easier position to play. We've both made that point.

899
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: A lot other people on the show have disagreed with us,

900
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: but we've made that point multiple times. So look, you

901
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,439
Speaker 1: have to wait and say, see what he looks like.

902
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 1: And if you want to bring in a veteran at

903
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: some point and the team decides that's the way to go,

904
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: they can do it. There's no urgency to do it

905
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: on June twenty. We're not going to see these guys

906
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: do anything for another five and a half weeks. And

907
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: if two other things that I want to add to

908
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 1: what John just said, Charlie. Number One, when Pat Sherman

909
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: released that press um, when he had that statement that

910
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: the Giants really said that Flowers is gonna have an

911
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: opportunity to compete at right tackle. It didn't say anything

912
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: about Eric Flowers is our right tackle and that's it,

913
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: end of the day. So he knows that he is

914
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,240
Speaker 1: far from locking down that position, Charlie. Nobody has handed

915
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: Eric Flowers the starting job. He's gonna have to earn

916
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,919
Speaker 1: that once the pads are put on. That's number one.

917
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: And then the other part of the equation is he

918
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: also has no connection to the current regime Pat Shermer,

919
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 1: Hal Hunter as well as Dave Getleman. So that's another

920
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 1: reason why he shouldn't come with the mindset that automatically

921
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,760
Speaker 1: has locked down this position. And appreciate the phone call, Charlie.

922
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: I mean we can't operate under the thinking that the

923
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: offensive line is solidified, specifically the right tackle position. Flowers

924
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: has been playing with the first team, but that doesn't

925
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 1: mean that things are going to change or not going

926
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: to change, I should say, depending on what happens during

927
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 1: the course of training camp. Adam in New Jersey wants

928
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: to continue to talk on the off sensive line. He's

929
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: up next high Adam. Hey, John, and I ask how

930
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 1: you guys doing. How's every great? I'm good, thanks. I

931
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 1: just want to touch on the atmosphere of the team.

932
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: And then but first, let we're talking about the off

933
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: the line. Charlie was just saying that, oh, they're they're

934
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,399
Speaker 1: putting their eggs in one basket. They're not. They didn't

935
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: even extend Eric Flower's option, So to me, that's not

936
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,919
Speaker 1: even extending him. That's like, all right, well, we're gonna

937
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: give you this chance to make the team. If you don't,

938
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: we can cut our losses because you do not invest

939
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: in you. So let's see what he does on the

940
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,439
Speaker 1: right side with this new reasonmle off of the line.

941
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got Nate Soldier, all that you've explained,

942
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: all the guys. I feel like this leads into my

943
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: atmosphere point is that the home culture. I feel it's

944
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 1: changed of this team. Everybody on the off of the

945
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: line is hanging out together. You know, you've got a

946
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,399
Speaker 1: bit of feistiness going there. I want to see if

947
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: these guys who are gonna be with Eric Flowers for

948
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: the next few weeks really you know, built bonds with

949
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: him and and it helped him as well. You know,

950
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: you can also put red Ellison over there to help

951
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: him out, which they didn't do last year, so they

952
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: always left him on an Island. You know. By the way, Adam,

953
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 1: I will say this too. You mentioned the camaraderie. I

954
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: have seen Flowers with the offensive line group more at

955
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,720
Speaker 1: least than from what I've been like following him around.

956
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna tell you I've been tracking movements

957
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: or anything, but I have noticed him with that group

958
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: more than I had in years passed. So I do

959
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: think that's a good sign. So I think I think

960
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: let's let's let this play out for a while. Like

961
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: you guys said, let's get the pads on, okay, and

962
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: let's see if this coaching staff has you know, resonated

963
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: with Eric Flowers this year and and the other you know,

964
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: six or eight guys that are gonna be in the

965
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: room with him. You know, if you've started to build

966
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: that camaraderie, now you're on the right side this whole time. Remember,

967
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: he had different guys coming in out of the lineup

968
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 1: with him as well. And let's not forget Paul has

969
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: mentioned he didn't have a streak of where he didn't

970
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,439
Speaker 1: give him a sack. So it's not like this guy,

971
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: you know totally boss you yes, did he have a

972
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: terrible Detroit game yet? So I mean Zikyanza was a

973
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: top pass rusher in the league at one point. You'd

974
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: have a terrible game if you were on an island

975
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: against him by yourself as well. But what I'm saying is,

976
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: let these four or five guys influence him. Let the

977
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: coaching staff, which is which I believe, has done a

978
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: great job in terms of putting a culture together with

979
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: all the leaders they've have brought in the direction that

980
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 1: they're headed. And you know, just everybody across the board.

981
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: They have leaders in every room from from running back

982
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: room to the linebacker room. You know, you've got Cream

983
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: Martin who's been here. You've got Josh Maul who will

984
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: understand the system. You have Johnathon Stewart who's been a

985
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: gentleman and can relay the message. So I think the

986
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: overall team has a better feel than it was last year.

987
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: I just wanted to put on that. But thanks guys

988
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 1: for doing a great show, and I talked to appreciate. Yeah.

989
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: I do think that if you look at the optics

990
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: the eye test, Flowers is saying the right things when

991
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: he spoke to the media. He's also been very interactive

992
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: with Nate Solder in terms of communicating and looking at

993
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: film and we'll say, you know, it's it's all show

994
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: me time, right, We'll see that's what it is. It

995
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 1: showed me. It's no longer talking, it's no longer breaking

996
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 1: it down and saying all the nice things and patting

997
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: each other on the back, and show me time. That's

998
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: what it is. Rhoric fly. He's not gonna be the

999
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 1: shows until the pads come on the second weekend, So

1000
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 1: that continues. Right now. Is just the game of speculation

1001
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 1: and you know, seeing and saying the right things. But

1002
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: once again, you gotta see training camp before you make

1003
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 1: declarations about what's going to happen. With respect to the

1004
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: offensive line. Duke in Queens is up next. Look like

1005
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: we've got some offensive line juice going to go. Man,

1006
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: do what I just have to say one thing, really

1007
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:34,240
Speaker 1: cook on the Charlie stuff, because that was too imertating. Um,

1008
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: that's ours is dirt. He is trashed, and I want

1009
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: him more for our team. However, I know when you

1010
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: compare him to a lot of other lineman he's not

1011
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: that bad. So I still do want to give him

1012
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: a chance based on that fact. But I'm not a

1013
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: fan at all because I've had I put a hole

1014
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: in the wall because the Flowers duke look Duke Duke.

1015
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 1: If you're watching the TV and just seeing him annoy

1016
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,879
Speaker 1: the hell out of you, I get it, all right.

1017
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,240
Speaker 1: If you're sitting here like I don't believe this guy

1018
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 1: is gonna do it, and I have no confidence in

1019
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: him based on what you've seen, I get that too.

1020
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: But but the situation remains from a talent standpoint, and

1021
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: from even how he's played before, he's still one of

1022
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: the three best tackles in the team. So, like you said,

1023
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: it's in the team's best interest, as annoying as it

1024
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 1: might be to you as a fan, for him to

1025
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: be given a chance to earn this job to help

1026
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 1: the team win. I mean, it's just the way it is.

1027
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,720
Speaker 1: Offensive tackles are hard to find. Look at the premium

1028
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: the Giants have to had to pay in terms of

1029
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: resources to get Nates, Solder, they're hard to find. I'm

1030
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: not telling you Flowers is going to develop into this.

1031
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: You know, all pro But let's see how he does.

1032
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: And if he doesn't do well, then you find a solution.

1033
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: We'll see his land said, they're not handing him a job,

1034
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: They're giving him a chance to compete and we'll see

1035
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: how he competes it. That wasn't even my question, but

1036
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: I thought, my question is this, Um I have and

1037
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: I have another one after this, but uh, you know,

1038
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 1: being ornerated in New York. Um, And and that's all

1039
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: of our sports teams for the most part. We all

1040
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: have like a little edge to us, you know because

1041
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: when you look at the actual citizens in New York

1042
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 1: that live here day to day go through this to

1043
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:25,439
Speaker 1: b as like roll hustlers were born, bred hustlers, work,

1044
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: you know, work our a's off, you know. And I

1045
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: wanted to know if should should teams adopt the way

1046
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: their cities are to sit their team, um, to fit there?

1047
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: They're like just start the style their demeanor, Like should

1048
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: they like sort of coincide with their city or is

1049
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: that not a thing? Because I actually want for us

1050
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 1: to get back to the way we were back in

1051
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 1: the day, because that's how we were. We were killers,

1052
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: you know. And let me ask you how people are, Duke.

1053
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: Did you enjoy the two thousand eleven Super Bowl? Oh?

1054
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,879
Speaker 1: Loved it? Oh baby, I'm sure you did. Did Did

1055
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 1: did you consider that team some ult your killer physical team?

1056
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: On defense? I thought JPP was the leader of the defense,

1057
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: and I thought he had a lot of edge and

1058
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: that the correct answer is no, By the way, they

1059
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: were not. I mean they were not a ground and

1060
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: pound type of team that was extremely physical. They were

1061
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 1: shook it down the field, big big plays on offense.

1062
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: Like god, they were the twenties in terms of defense

1063
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: the whole year. So Duke, look, yeah, I think I

1064
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: think there was a certain type and not only not

1065
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: only could it challenge other teams like your team, don't know,

1066
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: because then you're not winning football games, you're not winning

1067
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,439
Speaker 1: basketball games or whatever. Maybe if that was the case

1068
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 1: and you're playing in Green Bay, do you want like

1069
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: your offensive and defense allowing to be like the nicest

1070
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: people in the world, like the people that live in

1071
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: Green Bay absolutely want you all you wanted to be

1072
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: nasty s obs like we haven't. Brooklyn and the Bronx

1073
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 1: put together a team that can win football games. You

1074
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: don't put together a team that can relate to za

1075
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 1: fan base. You win all right? And and lastly, um,

1076
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: I just want to say, you guys thought some what

1077
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 1: do you think elis many staffs are going to be

1078
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: this upcoming season. Thank you. That's a good question. Appreciate,

1079
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 1: but we went over on our se Kwon Barkley over

1080
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 1: runs are gonna be. You want to do some fun

1081
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: Eli over unders while we're here. Sure, absolutely, you have

1082
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: the numbers in your head that you will do. I

1083
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: think we've to figure out what the numbers are gonna be.

1084
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: So let's look at his career stats, what we think

1085
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 1: Eli might do this year, and let's set them over

1086
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 1: unders what we think you might do for the year.

1087
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: All right, let's see Eli, we got a pro football

1088
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 1: reference here. All right, let's start completion percentage, UM, what

1089
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: do you think over under? What's about sixty two and

1090
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:52,919
Speaker 1: a half. Well, his numbers have been, you know, near

1091
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 1: his career high over the last few seasons. Yeah, but

1092
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 1: I feel like this will not this offense will not

1093
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: have as many built in easy completions like they had

1094
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:06,720
Speaker 1: in the Macadim. Yeah, that's my thought. I mean, sixty

1095
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: two and a half would still be the fourth highest

1096
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: completion percentage of his fifth highest completion percentage of his career.

1097
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: So I'm still going on the high end there. And

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00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: he's been sixty three point one at fourteen, at sixty

1099
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 1: three and sixteen, so I can't I can't put it

1100
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,720
Speaker 1: at sixty three because he's only gone over six twice.

1101
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: I think that's a little aggressive. That's so I think

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00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: sixty two or sixty two point five is fair. So

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00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: let's go. You want to go sixty two and a half?

1104
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: Sixty two and a half, okay, So that'll be on

1105
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: and then begin ask Paul, what do you think. I'm

1106
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: sure go over on all of them, but it goes

1107
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:42,919
Speaker 1: without saying passing yards. Four thousand? Yeah, I think four

1108
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: thousand's fair? Or do you want to go forty? Okay?

1109
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: He had four thousand twenty seven at two thousand sixty

1110
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 1: and he played all the games there. I think four

1111
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: thousand is a good number. I'm gonna go four thousand

1112
00:53:55,239 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: fifty work for me because forty four hundred two years

1113
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: in fourteen and fifteen, and then he went over four

1114
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 1: thousand again in sixteen. Last year was an anomaly. And

1115
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:10,399
Speaker 1: then the fourth thousand question because you know they're gonna

1116
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: try to run it more this year. I wonder if

1117
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 1: that's gonna cut into the passing yards and how I

1118
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: don't think that's crazy. Yeah, yeah, it's interesting. See here's

1119
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: the thing. In the year he was his terrible year

1120
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: in two thousand and thirteen when the twenty seven picks,

1121
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:25,399
Speaker 1: he's still doing for thirty hundred yards. So I don't

1122
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: want to go below four thousand. I think four thousand

1123
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: fifties a good number. How about touchdowns touchdowns, I think

1124
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: a good number for him would be I was gonna

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00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: say nine, So why don't go that's fair? I mean

1126
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: you're talking about over in two of the last four

1127
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: seasons when he had thirty and thirty five and fourteen

1128
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 1: and fIF and only four years of his career those

1129
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 1: two years, and then in twenty eleven and also in

1130
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:04,240
Speaker 1: uh yeah, that's why I think a number below thirty

1131
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 1: is fair for him, because you go thirty, you're president.

1132
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: Now this is interesting. How about interceptions? Interceptions? I think

1133
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: sixteen would be a good number. What I think it's

1134
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: a little he's only had more than he's had sixteen

1135
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: and sixteen. He had seven in thirteen. How about will

1136
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 1: you wi? Will you be okay with fifteen? Fair? If

1137
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: you want to go a little bit lower. I think

1138
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: fourteens a little low, but I think fifteen is a

1139
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 1: good number. Only at thirteen last year, I think fifteen

1140
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 1: is a good number. Looking at his career status, and

1141
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: they'll find down the fie a little bit more. I'm

1142
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: good with fifteen. He is an interesting one. How about

1143
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 1: how many times you think he's gonna get sacked? Oh boy, wow,

1144
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: I haven't that. We have the numbers here. Last year

1145
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 1: was thirty one, the year before one, then twenty seven

1146
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:07,399
Speaker 1: and twenty eight, the two years before that thirty nine,

1147
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: and his last year in the Gilbride when he had

1148
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: that terrible year in the twenty seven picks. So I

1149
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 1: think a good number would probably be what like twenty

1150
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 1: three or is that too high? I think that's too low.

1151
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 1: That's too low, Okay, So twenty five I mean, I mean,

1152
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: he's not gonna go thirty and I think only been

1153
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 1: sacked fewer than twenty five times three times in his career.

1154
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: So but they're gonna run the ball a little bit more.

1155
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: They're gonna run the ball, all right. So then twenty six,

1156
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 1: then I think would be a fair number. I'm okay

1157
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 1: with that if that's the case, because I mean, I'm

1158
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: focusing more on the last five or six years than

1159
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: necessarily his career. But I think twenty five six is

1160
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: a fair number. I'm okay with twenty six quarterback rating

1161
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: or don't bother with that quarterback rating. I don't know

1162
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: how crazy we gotta get with that. I mean, how

1163
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: many categories do we have here? I think five categories

1164
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 1: is solid for a quarterback. I think that's good too.

1165
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: So we got the completion percentage at sixty two and

1166
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 1: a half? Would you go over on there? On that?

1167
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go under, okay, because I think he could

1168
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,839
Speaker 1: be sixty two Okay, I think I think I think

1169
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:11,240
Speaker 1: I go under on that too. How about yards four thousand?

1170
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 1: But this is a tough one because of the improvement

1171
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: of the running game and the well, regardless of the

1172
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: numbers of the running game, the desire to run the

1173
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 1: ball more and even time of possessions big here, you

1174
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 1: know the ball you can't you can't throw it a lot.

1175
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 1: Are they're gonna be ahead of They're gonna behind in games? Yeah,

1176
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:31,919
Speaker 1: I mean I could see him in that thirty nine

1177
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 1: hundred to barometer. That That's what I'm thinking in my mind,

1178
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 1: I'll go conservative, say under, Okay, I would go over here, Um,

1179
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: I go under on the completion percentage though, how about touchdowns?

1180
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go I think I'm gonna go um, they're

1181
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: gonna go over on that really. See, I could see

1182
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: also seven and more rushing touchdowns only because I don't

1183
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: see Barkley is a great go on back. I know

1184
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: they have Stewart to do that. I think they have Ingram,

1185
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: who's such a good red zone target. I think you'll

1186
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: probably get around. I think we could hit it on

1187
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: the notch with that one. At eight, it could very

1188
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 1: well be on the nose. I think I'm gonna take

1189
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 1: the under. I'm gonna take the under again. You know

1190
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 1: what I wanted to know at the time, and I

1191
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 1: was just curious how many case Kingdom had last year.

1192
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 1: Take a look, not that that's necessarily indeptions interceptions at fifteen, see,

1193
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: I think it could be fifteen on the nose. That's

1194
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: what makes these so difficult. I'm gonna go under. I

1195
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: think will be fourteen. I'm gonna go under two. I

1196
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna go under across the board. I think

1197
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: I did go on under on sacks at six. Oh boy,

1198
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: I mean I think you have to based on if

1199
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 1: they give up, you know, high twenties, early thirties. It's

1200
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 1: not like they're in capable of winning games, but you

1201
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: want to see that number two. In two thousand and

1202
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 1: eleven and Eli's best year, he got sacked twenty eight times.

1203
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:51,959
Speaker 1: But the thing is, I think they threw the ball.

1204
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: They threw a three wee. They threw it less than

1205
00:58:54,120 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 1: they did in fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, and seventeen. I still

1206
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: go on there regardless of the factors that go into

1207
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: case keenum last year. I will go on there on

1208
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 1: that too through for twenty two touchdown. See that's why

1209
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 1: I'm I'm confident in my under Well, no, I agree

1210
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 1: with you, but you know it's not like the Minnesota

1211
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 1: Vikings or a bunch of Josh Moos guys. Guys ran

1212
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 1: the ball and throw the ball effectively. Good job on

1213
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,439
Speaker 1: the phones today, appreciate you getting Now we can save

1214
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 1: our Giants five basketball five Another day, well we don't

1215
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 1: get any call, so it's perfect. There you go. Good job.

1216
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Speaker 1: Everybody will see tomorrow on gihants dot com. Jeff Eagles

1217
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: and I will take you home and then no show

1218
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 1: on Friday as Giants Summer Friday's kick in. I know

1219
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 1: you might be unhappy, but we're certainly not, so we'll

1220
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: see them on Giants dot com. Everybody have a great day,

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Speaker 1: I have a going