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Speaker 1: We're going to learn a little bit about potassium. We
Speaker 1: got a lot of reactions that we're going to learn
Speaker 1: a little bit about polio based on our recent episode
Speaker 1: about the tainted polio incident. We are also going to
Speaker 1: have some letters from home, and we're going to talk
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Speaker 1: that we got so many emails, so many messages about potassium,
Speaker 1: that we had to start there.
Speaker 3: Right Ah, Yes, potassium, The Humble k On the periodic table.
Speaker 3: And this message comes to us courtesy of the Humble
Speaker 3: poodle Crab, which is a delightful nickname that apparently we
Speaker 3: can call them. Hi, you can call me poodle Crab.
Speaker 3: I have thought about writing it about potassium for the
Speaker 3: past few months, but after Wow already, but after your
Speaker 3: most recent listener mail episode where the other listener talked
Speaker 3: about it, I finally got around to writing it. About
Speaker 3: six months or so ago, my doctor let me know
Speaker 3: he was worried about my blood pressure. I was adamant
Speaker 3: about not going on meds for high blood pressure if
Speaker 3: I could help it. I started looking into alternatives and
Speaker 3: realized the relationship between potassium, magnesium, and salt. As Nol stated,
Speaker 3: there are some people who need a low potassium diet,
Speaker 3: and usually that is due to kidney disease. I started
Speaker 3: eating a high potassium diet, but because potassium is weakened
Speaker 3: by heat, and most foods that have it we eat cooked.
Speaker 3: Let see here we go. I found it hard to
Speaker 3: get enough in my diet, so I added potassium supplements
Speaker 3: as well. I do take more than one pill per
Speaker 3: day recommended. After several months of taking my potassium and
Speaker 3: magnesium supplements three times a day. I finally had a
Speaker 3: good visit with my doctor and he's happy with my
Speaker 3: blood pressure numbers. I am not a healthcare professional, but
Speaker 3: I definitely think that the amount of people who it
Speaker 3: would be adverse to take a higher supplement amount of
Speaker 3: potassium should be rather low compared to the majority who
Speaker 3: really need a larger amount. They should sell a higher
Speaker 3: milligram supplement. My personal opinion is that if we're all
Speaker 3: low in potassium, we acquire more health issues and big
Speaker 3: pharma can make more money off of drugs. I also
Speaker 3: have another conspiracy you could look into that is related.
Speaker 3: There is a gentleman named Frank Suarez who is Puerto Rican.
Speaker 3: He wrote several books on metabolism that are available in
Speaker 3: English and Spanish. He also has a YouTube channel called
Speaker 3: Metabolism Metabolismo tv appears. I think most of his videos
Speaker 3: are in Spanish, but I'm pretty sure they have English
Speaker 3: subtitles available. He has several where using nutrition and supplements,
Speaker 3: he was able to make people better so they no
Speaker 3: longer needed medications. Anyway, my conspiracy concerning him is that
Speaker 3: he died a few years back. I believe I remember correctly.
Speaker 3: He fell off a balcony in his home. Could Big
Speaker 3: Pharma have had him killed because he was helping people
Speaker 3: get off meds? Thanks for reading my ramblings. Feel free
Speaker 3: to use this on air if you want to be
Speaker 3: listening watching from the very beginning. Love you, guys, A
Speaker 3: handful of things to do unpack here. First of all,
Speaker 3: I think it's interesting to note and I believe we
Speaker 3: discussed as the bioavailability metabolism and also the way things
Speaker 3: are absorbed, and you know, the idea that cooking something
Speaker 3: you know could potentially completely remove the potassium that gets
Speaker 3: absorbed into your system. And it seems that Poodle Crab,
Speaker 3: confirmed by their doctor, was able to affect some change
Speaker 3: to you know, their their blood pressure numbers by this
Speaker 3: and this alone. And I always think it's interesting when
Speaker 3: someone decides to go that route, a more holistic approach,
Speaker 3: and then actually sees results. So I don't know, guys,
Speaker 3: does that track for you that this could be done? Yes?
Speaker 1: Again, the one of the larger themes we have seen
Speaker 1: in our correspondence recently concerns the very real fact that
Speaker 1: there's not a silver bullet solution.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: Every person is unique in this regard. We are not
Speaker 1: medical professionals. But one thing that really stands out to
Speaker 1: me here, Poodle is if I may call you Poodle,
Speaker 1: Poodle Crab, one thing that stands out to me is
Speaker 1: you mention of Frank Suarez. Frank Suarez does have a
Speaker 1: website and as you mentioned, does have various works out
Speaker 1: there in the wild. In nineteen ninety eight he founded
Speaker 1: something called Natural Slim and I'm wondering whether this has
Speaker 1: a place in our upcoming episode on supplements.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Metabolismo TV has eight point seven six million subscribers.
Speaker 2: That's a lot of people who are paying attention to
Speaker 2: what he's saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Suarez struggled with obesity. Per his official bio,
Speaker 1: he struggled with obesity since childhood. Tried numerous different diets
Speaker 1: and they weren't working. So he researched the causes of
Speaker 1: what is sometimes called slow metabolism and it led him
Speaker 1: to this concept of metabolic function in his book two
Speaker 1: thousand and six. I think El Podera del Metabolismo is
Speaker 1: a huge book for the folks who follow his insights.
Speaker 1: It has been a life saver in their opinion, not
Speaker 1: the dandy, but like save their lives.
Speaker 2: It's one of those things. You just gotta be careful
Speaker 2: because there's like I haven't watched any of the videos yet.
Speaker 2: You know, obviously it's going to require some research. But
Speaker 2: when there are claims like all you have to do
Speaker 2: is get your vitamins right and you can beat cancer,
Speaker 2: it's just potentially dangerous, right.
Speaker 3: It's tough, That's what I was asking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's up there with are you having financial problems?
Speaker 1: Have you tried not being poor? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like it's missing some steps often that kind of advice.
Speaker 1: We're not talking about Suarez in general. We need to
Speaker 1: do more research, Pudle Crab. But again to your point, Noe,
Speaker 1: we had so much, We got so much incredible correspondence
Speaker 1: based on the original letter from our pal iron Man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we're not also, I believe any of us
Speaker 3: trying to say that that we don't believe that it
Speaker 3: is possible to affect change in your health through just
Speaker 3: diet and and and the right vitamins and and you know, minerals,
Speaker 3: et cetera. And it would appear from Poodle crabs experience
Speaker 3: personally firsthand that that is exactly what happened with them.
Speaker 3: The case of Suarez is very interesting because not a
Speaker 3: lot is known about him outside of his own channels
Speaker 3: and what he put out there on the internet. The
Speaker 3: book I believe, achieved roughly five million sales, and yet
Speaker 3: nobody knows what his birthday was, and a lot of
Speaker 3: details about his background are a bit shadowy. I don't
Speaker 3: mean shadowy in terms of that it's like sinister, I
Speaker 3: just mean, you know, unknown. So that is very interesting
Speaker 3: for a for a best selling author of that degree.
Speaker 3: And not a lot of details are out there as
Speaker 3: well about the investigation and his death, at least upon
Speaker 3: you know, kind of a cursory search. But I do
Speaker 3: think this is definitely appropriate to include in the episode
Speaker 3: coming up on supplements, no question.
Speaker 1: Also, Suarez me have a space in our continuing series
Speaker 1: on the mysterious deaths of inventors and scientists, which again unfortunately,
Speaker 1: will be a continuing series.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And since we did mention that we got quite
Speaker 3: a few emails about supplements and the potassium, I thought
Speaker 3: we might read another one that's sort of a counter
Speaker 3: to Poodle Crab's message. This one coming from Pepper and Hello,
Speaker 3: I've been loving and listening to your show for about
Speaker 3: a year now. This is my second email by the way,
Speaker 3: so this is the test to see if you do
Speaker 3: read them all. Wait wink, Well here we go tests past.
Speaker 3: It feels a little like a conspiracy just saying okay,
Speaker 3: well it's conspiracy salt. I previously wrote about haunted airplanes
Speaker 3: and ems, but that's neither here nor there. I had
Speaker 3: to immediately respond to the show before I even finished
Speaker 3: the entire episode, because I generally worry about the health
Speaker 3: implications of the letter written into you guys regarding the
Speaker 3: use of potassium. First, I will say I have worked
Speaker 3: as a nurse and in critical care for about ten
Speaker 3: years now. I'm not a doctor, so there is your disclaimer,
Speaker 3: but I am working on my nursing doctorate. Either way,
Speaker 3: I know a thing or two about electrolytes. Let me
Speaker 3: start by saying that your body is designed to conserve
Speaker 3: and highly regulate your potassium in a very narrow and
Speaker 3: safe range. This would be the reason that you cannot
Speaker 3: buy over the counter potassium in more than ten milligrams,
Speaker 3: because it can and would be fatal without the oversight
Speaker 3: of a physician. In the hospital, we can only administer
Speaker 3: potassium at a rate of ten me eq per hour safely.
Speaker 3: Otherwise we run the risk of fatal cardiac arrhythmias. If
Speaker 3: you have a medical condition that requires supplementation, a doctor
Speaker 3: will prescribe one for you at a higher dosage and
Speaker 3: you will likely require blood work to monitor this. Common
Speaker 3: reasons would be medications that prevent your kidneys from retaining
Speaker 3: those potassium levels so tightly. People who tend to have
Speaker 3: lower potassium levels are likely due to a dietary deficiency,
Speaker 3: which is the best and safest way for your body
Speaker 3: to get potassium. This can be found in bananas, leafy greens, beans, avocados, tomatoes,
Speaker 3: all things you don't have to cook, root, vegetables, zucchini, eggplant,
Speaker 3: et cetera. I fear it is likely that people are
Speaker 3: not getting enough fresh fruits and vegetables. Additionally, magnesium and
Speaker 3: potassium have a type of symbiotic relationship, as our previous
Speaker 3: emailer mentioned, meaning if your magnesium is low, there is
Speaker 3: a good chance that your potassium will be low, and
Speaker 3: magnesium supplements are much safer and easier to get over
Speaker 3: the counter. Bottom line, if you're concerned about your electrolytes,
Speaker 3: get them checked out. There are even places that you
Speaker 3: can go without a doctor's order to have them checked,
Speaker 3: I would have to say there's probably no conspiracy to
Speaker 3: prevent people from getting potassium. It is, in fact, this
Speaker 3: way to prevent people from accidentally putting themselves into a
Speaker 3: cardiac arrests. There you go. Also, they attached to an
Speaker 3: email with a picture of their blind death dog with eyebrows.
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you for sending by the Yeah, yeah, thank
Speaker 1: you everyone who's been sending the the pet photos. I
Speaker 1: love the eyebrow work there. And I do want to
Speaker 1: point out for anybody who hears the phrase blind deaf dog,
Speaker 1: let's remember that the primary way canines encounter the world
Speaker 1: is through the sense of smell. So we know this
Speaker 1: very lucky pooch is very lucky to have a human
Speaker 1: like you in their lives.
Speaker 2: That's right. Absolutely a couple of things here. The eyebrows
Speaker 2: are amazing, by the way. I've been wanting to try
Speaker 2: to I have a white dog as well, and she's
Speaker 2: got expressive eyebrows. I really think that's the way to go.
Speaker 2: I'm drinking a coffee right now, guys, that has two hundred,
Speaker 2: at least, according to the packaging, two hundred and sixty
Speaker 2: eight milligrams of potassium in it, and I don't know why.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at the ingredients list and there's no like, oh,
Speaker 2: there's potassium in here.
Speaker 1: It's already flavoring to it.
Speaker 2: There's a small Yeah, it's a it's a rich mocha,
Speaker 2: black rifle thing, some energy drink. It's like energy coffee, right,
Speaker 2: so it's got extra stuff in it.
Speaker 1: Black rifle is a flavor.
Speaker 2: No, that's the company makes it.
Speaker 3: Okay, sounds dangerous.
Speaker 2: But we're not sponsored by them.
Speaker 3: By the way, watch out for those cardiac arrhythmias.
Speaker 2: Matt Well, I know like that. It genuinely worries me.
Speaker 2: It says it's six percent of my you know, intake
Speaker 2: of potassium on a daily basis, and I just don't
Speaker 2: know enough about it.
Speaker 3: I do want to point out that I had to
Speaker 3: google something and I was a little unclear as to
Speaker 3: what it meant, so I went with milligrams. But the
Speaker 3: actual term that uh Pepper and using the email was
Speaker 3: m e q, which is a medical term. It's an
Speaker 3: expression of the number of grams of a medication contained
Speaker 3: in one millilter of a normal solution. Okay, so ten
Speaker 3: milligrams might actually be off, but it seems that that
Speaker 3: was what they were getting.
Speaker 2: Okay, Oh hey, there was another message. We don't have
Speaker 2: to read the whole message, but there's a message from
Speaker 2: I believe it's Baron Eaton himself talking about the prime
Speaker 2: energy drink in hydration drinks that Logan Paul is putting
Speaker 2: out right now, first of his name, Logan of the Paul's,
Speaker 2: and just the amount of potassium that's contained in those drinks.
Speaker 2: Interesting stuff.
Speaker 1: And again shout out to shout out to iron Man.
Speaker 1: I wanted to mention in our previous listener mail conversation
Speaker 1: he had something in the title that was like beans,
Speaker 1: but not the way that you think. So it sounds
Speaker 1: like one of the primary things we're hearing from our
Speaker 1: fellow listeners is that eating the right sorts of foods
Speaker 1: can function as preventative medicine in this case. So it
Speaker 1: turns out stick Man from dead Press was right, Let
Speaker 1: your food be your medicine, guys.
Speaker 3: So sorry, just through er straight ten me eqs is
Speaker 3: seven hundred and forty milligrams. Oh so you're fine, Matt,
Speaker 3: You're fine.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3: Maybe we should even I don't know we got there. Sorry,
Speaker 3: not a medical professional here. First time i'd seen that term,
Speaker 3: but I did find a converter, so yes, it is different.
Speaker 3: Em Eq's is his own measurement, and seven hundred and
Speaker 3: forty milligrams is ten em eq's Okay, you're you're not
Speaker 3: gonna You're gonna be okay, Matt, You're gonna be okay.
Speaker 2: Oh wait, but according to Baron, Eaton Prime Sports drink
Speaker 2: has seven hundred milligrams of potassium in it, which is
Speaker 2: like right on it's right on the line.
Speaker 3: It does appear to be right on the line.
Speaker 1: Yes, get on it.
Speaker 3: Well, thanks to Poodle Crab and Pepper and for those
Speaker 3: very interesting emails that you know, sort of different perspectives,
Speaker 3: but they also had some some interesting overlap. So let's
Speaker 3: take a quick break here a word from our sponsor,
Speaker 3: and then come back with more messages from you.
Speaker 2: All right, we've returned, and we are going to Oregon
Speaker 2: for a little story from a concerned citizen.
Speaker 4: Hey guys, it's me again, calling from central Oregon, most
Speaker 4: central southern Oregon. Anyway, let's call me concerned citizens today.
Speaker 4: So there is a dam just north of Roseburg, Oregon,
Speaker 4: on the north on Quar River called the Winchester Dams.
Speaker 4: I think that's right, it's other Winchester or Winston. It's
Speaker 4: got to be Winchester Winston South anyway. So it's pretty
Speaker 4: much like air and rocky bitch. Levels is bad for
Speaker 4: the drinking water that we are supplied here in Rothbert,
Speaker 4: and nobody is doing anything about it. As far as
Speaker 4: I can tell. The dam was placed illegally. It does
Speaker 4: not off of power generation, It does not have a
Speaker 4: fish ladder. It is simply just basically a puddle for
Speaker 4: rich people on the river to have for their seaboats.
Speaker 4: Then that's it. There is no public access to it whatsoever.
Speaker 4: It's just a rich neighborhood with a pool that is
Speaker 4: made out of the river basically. And I was hoping
Speaker 4: that you could shine a little bit of light on
Speaker 4: that for me, because I should not do digging near
Speaker 4: as well as you guys. Thank you so much for
Speaker 4: your time. And Happy New Year.
Speaker 2: Hey, Happy New Year to you. That was sent to
Speaker 2: us in like early February. Guys, so happy.
Speaker 1: Happy Halloween as well. I love that too.
Speaker 2: Merry Christmas, happy, So thank you so much. Concerned citizen guys,
Speaker 2: we're traveling to Rossberg. I think that's how you pronounce
Speaker 2: their concerned citizen I would have said Roseberg because that's
Speaker 2: how it's spelled. Uh. And we're talking about the Umpquah
Speaker 2: River that kind of snakes through this area. And you
Speaker 2: can look at the it is the Winchester damn by
Speaker 2: the way, and you you can look at a picture
Speaker 2: of this from up above via the Google Maps and
Speaker 2: you can see where the dam exists and where kind
Speaker 2: of the neighborhood area is that concerned citizen is referencing there.
Speaker 2: Did a little searching just to try and figure out
Speaker 2: what's going on with this dam. The first first thing
Speaker 2: I came across was an AP news article from early
Speaker 2: October last year, twenty twenty three. I'll just give you
Speaker 2: the title so you can look it up on your own.
Speaker 2: Oregon seeks twenty seven million for damn repair it says
Speaker 2: resulted in mass death of Pacific lamprey fish. I think, guys,
Speaker 2: I think we heard about this just in our news
Speaker 2: explorations that we do every week, but we never really talked.
Speaker 2: We didn't talk about it wasn't a huge thing. It's
Speaker 2: a fish die off. Those are unfortunately common now. This
Speaker 2: one had to do with repairs to this Winchester Dam
Speaker 2: that were being done by a couple of different organizations,
Speaker 2: the Winchester Water Control District and then under that terra
Speaker 2: firma Foundation Repair. Who are actually that's the company that's
Speaker 2: actually performing repairs, and I think it's called Dowel Dowl LLC,
Speaker 2: an organization that was going to work to basically get
Speaker 2: the lamprey fish out of harm's way when this dam
Speaker 2: or part of the river had to be drained in
Speaker 2: order to make repairs to the dam. Now, when you
Speaker 2: hear that in your head, what does that look like?
Speaker 2: That means the dam itself where the water stops right
Speaker 2: where the river stops up against that dam. They had
Speaker 2: to stop water from flowing down the river to a
Speaker 2: certain extent in order to actually go in and repair
Speaker 2: the foundation of that dam itself. And at least according
Speaker 2: to this suit that you can find, it's I think
Speaker 2: it's from right around that same time. October sixth, twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three, there is a claim from the State of Oregon,
Speaker 2: via the Department of Fish and Wildlife and the State
Speaker 2: Fish and Wildlife Commission, of twenty seven point five eighty
Speaker 2: five million dollars against these organizations for not properly getting
Speaker 2: those Pacific lamprey fish out of harms way before draining
Speaker 2: the thing that has nothing to do with water quality,
Speaker 2: concerned citizen, So sorry, that is not what you're calling
Speaker 2: in about. That's just the first thing we noticed, because
Speaker 2: this dam itself has been looked at with some pretty
Speaker 2: heavy scrutiny. And in that article, I'm just gonna read
Speaker 2: this statement because this is how the dam is described
Speaker 2: by Claire Rush, who wrote that article for AP News.
Speaker 2: Quote built in eighteen ninety on the North Umpqua River.
Speaker 2: Winchester Dam is a former hydropower plant that is now
Speaker 2: privately owned by the water district's residents. So the neighborhood, right,
Speaker 2: the concerned citizens talking about, going back to the quote,
Speaker 2: who largely use it for water sports and recreation, according
Speaker 2: to this complaint again by the state of Oregon. So
Speaker 2: they're at least confirming that that's what the dam is,
Speaker 2: who uses it, and you know why it still exists, right,
Speaker 2: So then we jump down just to gosh, like less
Speaker 2: than twenty days later, there is a piece written in
Speaker 2: Oregon Public Broadcasting by Alex I think baumhar Ar sow
Speaker 2: you would say that this is about the very thing
Speaker 2: concernsys and was talking about that same water district is
Speaker 2: facing or was facing fines for water violations, so basically
Speaker 2: sending unclean water down the river because of whatever is
Speaker 2: occurring on the other side of that dam where the
Speaker 2: residents live. Right, guys, do you have that article up. Yes,
Speaker 2: Let's go through it just quickly, because I haven't looked
Speaker 2: at this too deeply. Let's just find out what the
Speaker 2: heck is actually going on. Is it going back to
Speaker 2: those same repairs basically that they sent chemicals or silt
Speaker 2: or something down the river?
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah. The issue is if you have ever been
Speaker 1: around a construction site, they get really messy really quick.
Speaker 1: That's just the nature of how construction works and the
Speaker 1: concerns here. I'm going also, Matt to some folks at
Speaker 1: a place called waterwatch dot org who have made some
Speaker 1: comments on this. The dam repairs are controversial because locals
Speaker 1: feel the folks repair of the dam have not followed
Speaker 1: the established standard operating procedure and as such, it didn't
Speaker 1: just compromise the passage and safety of fish or marine wildlife,
Speaker 1: but it also compromised the drinking water. And waterwatch dot
Speaker 1: org fellow conspiracy realist, you can tell by the title
Speaker 1: they have a certain perspective. Yeah, waterwatch dot org is
Speaker 1: arguing that the local community provided information on how to
Speaker 1: conduct these repairs well in advance to preserve the quality
Speaker 1: of drinking water and the quality of I don't want
Speaker 1: to say, quality of life, the chance of existence for
Speaker 1: these fish, and that they were roundly, consistently, continually ignored
Speaker 1: even though they did everything right in terms of speaking
Speaker 1: with the appropriate authorities and so on.
Speaker 2: Dude. Well, according to Oregon Public Broadcasting, the two main
Speaker 2: things are the reason that there is a fine of
Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty four thousand additional dollars for basically
Speaker 2: water quality was because the companies performing those repairs quote
Speaker 2: allowed concrete to spill into the river, which is probably
Speaker 2: not great. And they placed what they're saying are unpermitted
Speaker 2: mats made of heavy truck tires in the river. And
Speaker 2: we've talked about this before, the dangers of that, the
Speaker 2: specific types of rubber and metal that go together to
Speaker 2: create a modern tire, and how when that stuff breaks
Speaker 2: down just on streets, right on roads, especially highways, that
Speaker 2: pollutes the water table. As again, just imagine the particulate
Speaker 2: matter of tires slowly, very very slowly wearing down That's
Speaker 2: why you got to replace your tires right when they
Speaker 2: go you go in and check them because you're actually
Speaker 2: losing rubber on the road. That could be potentially really
Speaker 2: dangerous just sitting in a river's waterways.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It reminds me of a few years back during my
Speaker 1: car stuff days, we looked into this very well intentioned
Speaker 1: mission to save coral reefs by setting up used tires
Speaker 1: as a sculpture for them to grow on. Spoiler, it
Speaker 1: did not work well, and I feel like also Matt.
Speaker 1: At this point, we probably want to share with everyone
Speaker 1: a description of the Pacific lamb prey. This does not
Speaker 1: look like a trout. It does not look like a salmon.
Speaker 1: It looks like the worms from Dune. It looks like
Speaker 1: a very Kawhi powe version of the worms from Dune,
Speaker 1: or this Venusian sandworms beetlejuice. These guys are not winning
Speaker 1: fish beauty contest, but no, they are an important part
Speaker 1: of the ecosystem. They do deserve to exist. Just want
Speaker 1: to give you a warning, a heads up, folks. If
Speaker 1: you're playing along at home and you heard you heard
Speaker 1: concerned citizen in Matt mentioned lamb preis gird yourself be ready.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't.
Speaker 1: Look like they belong on earth, but they do.
Speaker 2: And they are pretty tiny. It's it's kind of like
Speaker 2: an eel and a fish together with some kind of
Speaker 2: face hugger situation.
Speaker 1: They'll get you, they'll get you.
Speaker 2: Well, there are many of them are parasitic. I believe
Speaker 2: the Pacific lamp prey is parasitic. There's there's like one
Speaker 2: species in Oregon that is not. You know, they're really interesting. Oh,
Speaker 2: they function the way we know salmon function. Remember we
Speaker 2: talked about that salmon sucker whatever the thing was this.
Speaker 1: Salmon they ca Yeah.
Speaker 2: This damn doesn't have anything like that for these lampreys
Speaker 2: or the salmon that exist on that river that are
Speaker 2: wont to get back up the river to spawn. But
Speaker 2: they can't. Well, and that's not good. So that needs
Speaker 2: to change for sure. Oh what was the Oh, good goodness,
Speaker 2: there was one other thing I wanted to talk about
Speaker 2: with this With these guys. They are kind of tiny
Speaker 2: and weird, looking like almost like worms that way you
Speaker 2: describe it ben not a sand worm, but just an
Speaker 2: actual worm. They just look really weird. You can see
Speaker 2: pictures of a lot of them dying or expired in
Speaker 2: the river bed when those repairs were occurring.
Speaker 3: Terrible.
Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't seem like something how do I put this,
Speaker 2: It doesn't seem like something that most people would be
Speaker 2: concerned about.
Speaker 1: Right. True, they're also though they do have a big
Speaker 1: part in Native American ceremonies and folklore. Like they're they
Speaker 1: do matter, right, even things that I don't know if
Speaker 1: anybody listening this evening is thinking, I know the most
Speaker 1: beautiful fish, or if you have had a hierarchy in
Speaker 1: your head, the land pray may not meet it. But
Speaker 1: again they do have they do have a right to exist.
Speaker 1: And our word for the day, I suppose would be
Speaker 1: anadromas or anadromus, which is just the marine life forms
Speaker 1: that are required to migrate to exist. And if you
Speaker 1: set up it's kind of like the land bridges that
Speaker 1: have been built over interstates and state roads. If you
Speaker 1: interrupt that passage of life, then you are fuzeing with
Speaker 1: the larger ecosystem in a way that humans do not
Speaker 1: fully understand. There is no political bias in saying that.
Speaker 1: That is just absolutely true. In the land bridge example,
Speaker 1: what the humans did was they said, hey, where a
Speaker 1: lot of mammals specifically are going to die because they
Speaker 1: cannot move through their natural range without getting hit by
Speaker 1: a semitruck or a tractor trailer. Uh you know, or
Speaker 1: like hot headed, fast and furious camaro I don't know.
Speaker 1: So they built these They built these natural esque land
Speaker 1: bridges over the roads, and that solved the problem. It
Speaker 1: seems that it should be standard operating procedure for human
Speaker 1: made dams to have something like that for fish, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, that makes that makes total sense. I think it's
Speaker 2: something that should occur. Let's make it happen, y'all. H
Speaker 2: slash the what was it called the Winchester Water Control District?
Speaker 2: Come on, guys, is.
Speaker 1: That our new Is that our new beef for the week.
Speaker 2: No, we don't know enough about it. We were sent
Speaker 2: a message and we're looking ato it for the first time.
Speaker 2: Oh can I do a shout out for another podcast
Speaker 2: really quickly? Guys not affiliated with us.
Speaker 1: In anyways please.
Speaker 2: Of course, I am obsessed with and have blown through
Speaker 2: every episode in existence of a show called We're Here
Speaker 2: to Help. It's uh, it's Gareth Reynolds and Jake Johnson.
Speaker 2: Gareth Reynolds aka Fit Aaron Paul If you guys ever
Speaker 2: hear that. I'm saying that on purpose, and it is.
Speaker 2: It's an advice show, like a call in advice show
Speaker 2: that is tremendously entertaining. And hats off to those guys
Speaker 2: and to Kevin who's their producer. Hats off to them
Speaker 2: for just making a splendidly entertaining show.
Speaker 1: And it's not related to the two thousand and seven
Speaker 1: comedy We're here now.
Speaker 2: No, this is just two guys who occasionally have guests
Speaker 2: on and give advice to random callers. But the cool
Speaker 2: thing about the show is that, like early on, you'll
Speaker 2: hear them give advice to one person, right, and then
Speaker 2: like ten episodes later, that same person calls back in
Speaker 2: to update on how the thing is going. So you
Speaker 2: get this experience of like just a journey you're taking
Speaker 2: with everybody who's a part of the show. It's splendid.
Speaker 1: Nice.
Speaker 3: Nice.
Speaker 1: We also have to say it's not all bad news
Speaker 1: in terms of the existence of fish, right. We know
Speaker 1: that there are like I saw something that just about
Speaker 1: a week ago where also in Oregon, not Central Oregon,
Speaker 1: Eastern Oregon, they had their first salmon spawn in like
Speaker 1: three decades.
Speaker 3: Oh wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So these these things sound maybe weird and obscure
Speaker 1: and municipal or maybe tree huggish, but they do matter.
Speaker 1: It is important to stick up for the wildlife in
Speaker 1: your neck of the global woods.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and for the water quality.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, also the humans. So I always forget to
Speaker 1: add that part. Yeah, done too.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean everybody's got to use that water, including
Speaker 2: the lamp rays.
Speaker 3: Come on.
Speaker 2: All right, Well that's it for now, Thanks so much,
Speaker 2: concerned citizen. We'll be right back with more messages from you.
Speaker 1: Hello. Everyone. Quick note before we proceed with the last
Speaker 1: part of this week's listener mail segment, we are going
Speaker 1: to explore correspondence we received related to our earlier episode
Speaker 1: on tainted polio vaccinations. After we recorded this episode, we
Speaker 1: learned that the heroic Paul Alexander passed away on March twelfth.
Speaker 1: We're playing the episode as we recorded it before his demise,
Speaker 1: and our thoughts go out to his family and friends.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. We now resume our regular show
Speaker 1: and we have returned with some messages from you. First
Speaker 1: things first, folks, thank you to everyone who tuned in
Speaker 1: on our episode about tainted polio. It is a heartbreaking
Speaker 1: chapter of American history, and as we said earlier in
Speaker 1: that episode, history itself is always close than it might
Speaker 1: look in your textbooks and in your rear view mirror.
Speaker 1: So we thought we would share, uh, some excerpts from
Speaker 1: many of our fellow conspiracy realists who wrote in with
Speaker 1: their own experiences regarding polio. We want to go first
Speaker 1: to our pal Jake, who says in part first off,
Speaker 1: Osama bin Laden, personally, I'm glad he's gone. I would
Speaker 1: like to share an innert hot take. Yeah, we were
Speaker 1: worried about that.
Speaker 3: Hold stands out there that on a couple of levels.
Speaker 1: Noel, that was very well done.
Speaker 3: I oh yeah, it was beautiful.
Speaker 1: Also, I remember, you know, for any pro bin Laden
Speaker 1: folks in the audience, I'll take the hit. I was
Speaker 1: the one who said, I think he's a bit of
Speaker 1: a pill. Also, glad he's gone, Jake, Team Jake on that,
Speaker 1: Jake wanted to share an interview from another podcast that
Speaker 1: he listens to quite a bit. Again, not affiliated with us,
Speaker 1: but we want to give credit where it's due. Jake
Speaker 1: is telling us about the Sean Ryan Show. Episode twenty
Speaker 1: seven has Rob O'Neill from Seal Team six and the
Speaker 1: name of the episode is the man who killed Ben Lawton,
Speaker 1: So we haven't done an entire episode yet on the
Speaker 1: circumstances surrounding the death of obl You can hear, I
Speaker 1: think at different times in our past. You can hear
Speaker 1: us take a couple shots at the official story, and
Speaker 1: maybe there's an episode in the future. But Jake says
Speaker 1: interesting bits and pieces here. You don't really hear about
Speaker 1: the media or Hollywood. This podcast, Sean Ryans, has interviews
Speaker 1: with ex military types that would make you think, okay,
Speaker 1: just another military Harry interview show. Yet it delves into
Speaker 1: a bunch of topics ranging from psychedelic treatments, UFO and UAP,
Speaker 1: human trafficking, remote viewing, and more so, if you, as
Speaker 1: Matt said earlier, we don't restrict ourselves to shouting out
Speaker 1: shows that are on our network or that work with us.
Speaker 1: We shout out shows that we think are worth your time.
Speaker 1: Here's what Jake says about polio quote. Secondly, polio Obviously,
Speaker 1: there is an increasing division between those four vaccines and
Speaker 1: against vaccines, with the COVID vaccine at the forefront. There
Speaker 1: are people out there, myself included, that are definitely four vaccines.
Speaker 1: Childhood travel, requirements, et cetera, but are against the COVID
Speaker 1: vaccines and are being swept into the evil anti vaxxer category.
Speaker 1: All that being said, I firmly believe we all have
Speaker 1: to do our own research and decide what is best
Speaker 1: for our own health and that of our families. The
Speaker 1: Cutter pharmaceutical story brought up something I read a few
Speaker 1: years ago that raised the hair on my back about
Speaker 1: an oral polio vaccine that was being developed in the
Speaker 1: late fifties. And here is a returning indirect guest. Jake
Speaker 1: pointed out a book we talked about in the past,
Speaker 1: The River, A Journey to the Source of HIV by
Speaker 1: Edward Hooper. Remember this, we talked about this a few
Speaker 1: years ago. We read the book too.
Speaker 2: You read the book.
Speaker 1: We know about the book. It is an interesting read.
Speaker 1: It's one that I think we want to hear more
Speaker 1: people respond to because in this book, Hooper lays out
Speaker 1: what you could call a conspiracy theory, and it's made
Speaker 1: in good faith, and it made enough of a splash
Speaker 1: that scientists looked back at the theory. As Jake note,
Speaker 1: it is considered largely disproven, But the question is is
Speaker 1: it disproven for real? Or is it a cover up?
Speaker 1: We want your opinions. Just going to roll that one
Speaker 1: out to the audience.
Speaker 3: But do you guys.
Speaker 1: Remember hearing this theory about the propagation of AIDS like
Speaker 1: a tainted vaccine?
Speaker 2: Uh? Yes, it's it's weird because I remember we encountered it.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about vaccines is just weird nowadays. It's just
Speaker 2: a weird subject of any vaccine in general. Right, And
Speaker 2: this concept, I felt like we didn't see it proven
Speaker 2: from the book, but I don't know that. I wasn't convinced.
Speaker 1: But same, same, same. However, we are not medical professionals,
Speaker 1: as we always say in these conversations, So let us
Speaker 1: know what you think about this book. Thank you to
Speaker 1: Jake for writing in here. We have another thing and
Speaker 1: an interesting care evolution from a returning guest, our guest
Speaker 1: who now goes by the conversant coyote.
Speaker 2: Oh was the original?
Speaker 1: Originally this coyote was stoned Stone. Okay, he'll stop talking,
Speaker 1: so conversant and he says, greetings, voices from the void.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've gotten a few emails about this, but
Speaker 1: just in case you didn't, I wanted to pass it
Speaker 1: on to you after listening to your episode on polio,
Speaker 1: I found myself a little shocked you didn't mention Paul Alexander,
Speaker 1: who contracted polio in nineteen fifty two and has needed
Speaker 1: to use an iron lung ever since. He is now
Speaker 1: an attorney in Texas and his story really brings home
Speaker 1: this disease to the modern day. Here's a link to
Speaker 1: a story about him, and I hope you all find
Speaker 1: it as interesting as I did. And our now conversant
Speaker 1: coyote says, excellent piece in the gard Lady and by
Speaker 1: Linda Rodriguez McRobbie called the man in the iron lung,
Speaker 1: And with our conversation about tane and polio vaccines, we're
Speaker 1: call we did mention the iron lung, and I think
Speaker 1: we were asking each other, you know, is this a
Speaker 1: quality of life question? Right? Do you have to be
Speaker 1: in an iron lung for the entirety of your existence?
Speaker 3: That's right? We didn't quite, I think fully know. And
Speaker 3: then the way it's reported oftentimes does seem like it's
Speaker 3: you're isolated in that environment. But it does appear from
Speaker 3: several first hand accounts that we got the email and
Speaker 3: other sources that you can just do a couple hours
Speaker 3: a day or even a week.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's a type of what's called a negative
Speaker 1: pressure ventilator. It's a mechanical respirator. And to your point, Noel,
Speaker 1: I was wondering if it's similar to dialysis treatment, right, Like,
Speaker 1: you're not always hooked to a dialysis machine if you
Speaker 1: are undergoing dialysis, but you do have to go in regularly.
Speaker 1: It looks like the argument is that the use of
Speaker 1: iron lungs today is largely obsolete because there have been
Speaker 1: improvements in respiration breathing therapies. However, during the COVID nineteen pandemic,
Speaker 1: and I didn't know this, there was a moment of
Speaker 1: re emergent interest in using iron lungs as a cheap
Speaker 1: substitute for ventilators because so many people needed them.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: I didn't know it either, And I'm thankful that we
Speaker 1: are not currently using iron lungs and ventilators. But please
Speaker 1: do check out that Guardian story. We have one more.
Speaker 1: We had so much response to the story about the
Speaker 1: polio the cutter incident, right, and here's one last one
Speaker 1: from Grace, And this is one that I think meant
Speaker 1: a lot to all of us, and hopefully to those
Speaker 1: of us listening at home too high stuff. They don't
Speaker 1: want you to know, writes Grace. I'm a thirty two
Speaker 1: year old polio survivor and I'd love to chat more
Speaker 1: about the polio episode and how important vaccines are to
Speaker 1: keep polio at bay. Grace has shared with us her
Speaker 1: own and it's totally okay to see her name on
Speaker 1: ericause she has shared with us a piece she wrote
Speaker 1: at voicesfo Vaccines dot org. You can read that. You
Speaker 1: can find it easily, just search on your browser choice
Speaker 1: Grace Voices for Vaccines. I'm a polio survivor. I don't
Speaker 1: want you to get it. And in this we see
Speaker 1: again that history is much closer than the textbooks make
Speaker 1: it appear. I'll just give us the very beginning of
Speaker 1: this and let's discuss, Grace writes. In July twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: an unvaccinated twenty year old in Rock County, New York
Speaker 1: was diagnosed with paralytic polio, a disease that's almost eradicated.
Speaker 1: Then they ask how did this happen to polio's survivors
Speaker 1: like me? It was only a matter of when, not if.
Speaker 1: With misinformation regarding healthcare and vaccines skyrocketing, and then Grace continues,
Speaker 1: I'm thirty years old. I contracted polio in nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: two in India, shortly after I was adopted and raised
Speaker 1: in Saint Louis, Missouri by a phenomenal and supportive family.
Speaker 1: Despite having great insurance and access to world class medical care,
Speaker 1: polio is not an easy ride. One in two hundred
Speaker 1: polio infections are paralytic, and mine was one of them. Jeez,
Speaker 1: it goes on. The stats are solid. Grace is an
Speaker 1: awesome person. Grace is also bringing up, I think something
Speaker 1: that it's easy for us to forget in the modern day,
Speaker 1: which is just because you're not hearing about something in
Speaker 1: a headline, just because it's not all over social media,
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean it's gone. These things are out there.
Speaker 1: They're very real. And the reason we bring this up,
Speaker 1: similar to the potassium debate, We're hearing a lot of
Speaker 1: very well written, very well reasoned, sometimes contradictory correspondence about
Speaker 1: polio and indeed about the nature of vaccines in general.
Speaker 1: So I was hoping that we could make space real quick.
Speaker 1: Do you guys have reactions to this, like, would you
Speaker 1: if you contracted polio or something. Would you go to
Speaker 1: an iron lung if you had to? What would be
Speaker 1: your decision? Wow, just the small talk, just the light questions.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm no expert, so I would. I guess I
Speaker 3: would do my own research, as we always recommend to doing,
Speaker 3: and I would pair that with the advice of medical
Speaker 3: professionals and see where I landed. If it seemed like
Speaker 3: something that would benefit me long term, and I didn't
Speaker 3: it didn't, like you said, Ben, completely plummet my quality
Speaker 3: of life, then yeah, I think I would do it.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: Going back to that Guardian article the man in the
Speaker 2: Iron Lung, this person contracted polio a long time ago.
Speaker 2: He's now seventy four years old as of three years ago,
Speaker 2: so he has seventy seven now, And isn't he Isn't
Speaker 2: he in an attorney? Yes, in Texas, So I mean
Speaker 2: cares about that iron lung. Just following Paul's footsteps, you
Speaker 2: good to go, Paul Alexander. That's amazing.
Speaker 1: Get the law on your side, get your degree.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, but yeah, there are images of him
Speaker 2: when he was first written about, when he was a
Speaker 2: child and in an iron lung, of him painting with
Speaker 2: his mouth, using you know, holding the paintbrush with his
Speaker 2: mouth and making incredible art. I think in the end,
Speaker 2: it's how how strong are you mentally right with anything
Speaker 2: like this? And and if you're If you are, if
Speaker 2: you can find it within yourself to fight and keep
Speaker 2: moving forward, then you know the physical stuff's going to
Speaker 2: affect you the way it does, and you just decide
Speaker 2: how you let that affect you.
Speaker 1: Right, what is your support network to?
Speaker 2: Oh, hug, that's huge.
Speaker 1: That is actually a fundamental ingredient in what we call
Speaker 1: blue zones. Blue zones are the parts of human civilization
Speaker 1: wherein people have a much higher chance of living past
Speaker 1: one hundred. Uh there's there are only I think two
Speaker 1: in the US. One is in California and one is
Speaker 1: weirdly enough, in New Jersey. Yeah, no offense to our
Speaker 1: listeners in New Jersey for me saying weirdly enough.
Speaker 2: But but hey, just to go back to Grace's story too. Yes,
Speaker 2: you know she's shared. She's out there sharing her story
Speaker 2: with places like the Shriner's Hospital and stuff, and she
Speaker 2: is taking that adversity that she's faced and turning it
Speaker 2: into something super positive the same way Paul did.
Speaker 3: So, I love.
Speaker 1: I agree with that. Yeah, and I think that's an
Speaker 1: excellent point because both Paul and Grace, by raising visibility
Speaker 1: have been actively saving lives. You can never discount that, right,
Speaker 1: And let's maybe end our polio conversation for now with
Speaker 1: a quote directly from you, Grace, and thank you again
Speaker 1: so much for your advocacy and for sharing her story.
Speaker 1: Grace writes, Misinformation is why a twenty year old was
Speaker 1: diagnosed with polio in twenty twenty two. Misinformation is why
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands unnecessarily died of COVID instead of being vaccinated.
Speaker 1: Misinformation will continue to disable and kill people as long
Speaker 1: as it remains unchecked. It's something to think about, and
Speaker 1: we wanted to say that there is, uh, there's much
Speaker 1: more to discuss regarding polio, regarding the concept of vaccination
Speaker 1: in general. We look forward to hearing from you, fellow
Speaker 1: conspiracy realist. We like to do a little bit of
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Speaker 1: I think we did?
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