1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, 6 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 2: my name is Noah. 7 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We are joined as always with 8 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: our super producer, Paull Mission Control decad. Most importantly, you 9 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: are you. You are here. That makes this the stuff 10 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. It is almost the 11 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 1: end of the week as you are hearing this evening's program, 12 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: which means it's one of our favorite times of the week, folks. 13 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: We get to share messages from you with our fellow listeners. 14 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: We're going to learn a little bit about potassium. We 15 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: got a lot of reactions that we're going to learn 16 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: a little bit about polio based on our recent episode 17 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: about the tainted polio incident. We are also going to 18 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 1: have some letters from home, and we're going to talk 19 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: about the Winchester Damn. I think we decided off air, guys, 20 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: that we got so many emails, so many messages about potassium, 21 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: that we had to start there. 22 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 3: Right Ah, Yes, potassium, The Humble k On the periodic table. 23 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 3: And this message comes to us courtesy of the Humble 24 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 3: poodle Crab, which is a delightful nickname that apparently we 25 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 3: can call them. Hi, you can call me poodle Crab. 26 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 3: I have thought about writing it about potassium for the 27 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 3: past few months, but after Wow already, but after your 28 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 3: most recent listener mail episode where the other listener talked 29 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 3: about it, I finally got around to writing it. About 30 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 3: six months or so ago, my doctor let me know 31 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 3: he was worried about my blood pressure. I was adamant 32 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 3: about not going on meds for high blood pressure if 33 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 3: I could help it. I started looking into alternatives and 34 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 3: realized the relationship between potassium, magnesium, and salt. As Nol stated, 35 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 3: there are some people who need a low potassium diet, 36 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 3: and usually that is due to kidney disease. I started 37 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 3: eating a high potassium diet, but because potassium is weakened 38 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 3: by heat, and most foods that have it we eat cooked. 39 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 3: Let see here we go. I found it hard to 40 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 3: get enough in my diet, so I added potassium supplements 41 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 3: as well. I do take more than one pill per 42 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 3: day recommended. After several months of taking my potassium and 43 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 3: magnesium supplements three times a day. I finally had a 44 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:38,639 Speaker 3: good visit with my doctor and he's happy with my 45 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 3: blood pressure numbers. I am not a healthcare professional, but 46 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 3: I definitely think that the amount of people who it 47 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 3: would be adverse to take a higher supplement amount of 48 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 3: potassium should be rather low compared to the majority who 49 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 3: really need a larger amount. They should sell a higher 50 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 3: milligram supplement. My personal opinion is that if we're all 51 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 3: low in potassium, we acquire more health issues and big 52 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 3: pharma can make more money off of drugs. I also 53 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 3: have another conspiracy you could look into that is related. 54 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 3: There is a gentleman named Frank Suarez who is Puerto Rican. 55 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 3: He wrote several books on metabolism that are available in 56 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 3: English and Spanish. He also has a YouTube channel called 57 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 3: Metabolism Metabolismo tv appears. I think most of his videos 58 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 3: are in Spanish, but I'm pretty sure they have English 59 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 3: subtitles available. He has several where using nutrition and supplements, 60 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 3: he was able to make people better so they no 61 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 3: longer needed medications. Anyway, my conspiracy concerning him is that 62 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 3: he died a few years back. I believe I remember correctly. 63 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 3: He fell off a balcony in his home. Could Big 64 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 3: Pharma have had him killed because he was helping people 65 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 3: get off meds? Thanks for reading my ramblings. Feel free 66 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 3: to use this on air if you want to be 67 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 3: listening watching from the very beginning. Love you, guys, A 68 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 3: handful of things to do unpack here. First of all, 69 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 3: I think it's interesting to note and I believe we 70 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 3: discussed as the bioavailability metabolism and also the way things 71 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 3: are absorbed, and you know, the idea that cooking something 72 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 3: you know could potentially completely remove the potassium that gets 73 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 3: absorbed into your system. And it seems that Poodle Crab, 74 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 3: confirmed by their doctor, was able to affect some change 75 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 3: to you know, their their blood pressure numbers by this 76 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 3: and this alone. And I always think it's interesting when 77 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 3: someone decides to go that route, a more holistic approach, 78 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 3: and then actually sees results. So I don't know, guys, 79 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 3: does that track for you that this could be done? Yes? 80 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: Again, the one of the larger themes we have seen 81 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: in our correspondence recently concerns the very real fact that 82 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: there's not a silver bullet solution. 83 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 3: Right. 84 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 1: Every person is unique in this regard. We are not 85 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: medical professionals. But one thing that really stands out to 86 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: me here, Poodle is if I may call you Poodle, 87 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: Poodle Crab, one thing that stands out to me is 88 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: you mention of Frank Suarez. Frank Suarez does have a 89 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: website and as you mentioned, does have various works out 90 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: there in the wild. In nineteen ninety eight he founded 91 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: something called Natural Slim and I'm wondering whether this has 92 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: a place in our upcoming episode on supplements. 93 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, Metabolismo TV has eight point seven six million subscribers. 94 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 2: That's a lot of people who are paying attention to 95 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 2: what he's saying. 96 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, and Suarez struggled with obesity. Per his official bio, 97 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: he struggled with obesity since childhood. Tried numerous different diets 98 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: and they weren't working. So he researched the causes of 99 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: what is sometimes called slow metabolism and it led him 100 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 1: to this concept of metabolic function in his book two 101 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: thousand and six. I think El Podera del Metabolismo is 102 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 1: a huge book for the folks who follow his insights. 103 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 1: It has been a life saver in their opinion, not 104 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: the dandy, but like save their lives. 105 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 2: It's one of those things. You just gotta be careful 106 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 2: because there's like I haven't watched any of the videos yet. 107 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 2: You know, obviously it's going to require some research. But 108 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 2: when there are claims like all you have to do 109 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,679 Speaker 2: is get your vitamins right and you can beat cancer, 110 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 2: it's just potentially dangerous, right. 111 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 3: It's tough, That's what I was asking. 112 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's up there with are you having financial problems? 113 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: Have you tried not being poor? You know what I mean? 114 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:46,359 Speaker 1: Like it's missing some steps often that kind of advice. 115 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: We're not talking about Suarez in general. We need to 116 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: do more research, Pudle Crab. But again to your point, Noe, 117 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 1: we had so much, We got so much incredible correspondence 118 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: based on the original letter from our pal iron Man. 119 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, and we're not also, I believe any of us 120 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 3: trying to say that that we don't believe that it 121 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 3: is possible to affect change in your health through just 122 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 3: diet and and and the right vitamins and and you know, minerals, 123 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 3: et cetera. And it would appear from Poodle crabs experience 124 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 3: personally firsthand that that is exactly what happened with them. 125 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 3: The case of Suarez is very interesting because not a 126 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 3: lot is known about him outside of his own channels 127 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 3: and what he put out there on the internet. The 128 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 3: book I believe, achieved roughly five million sales, and yet 129 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 3: nobody knows what his birthday was, and a lot of 130 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 3: details about his background are a bit shadowy. I don't 131 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 3: mean shadowy in terms of that it's like sinister, I 132 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 3: just mean, you know, unknown. So that is very interesting 133 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 3: for a for a best selling author of that degree. 134 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 3: And not a lot of details are out there as 135 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 3: well about the investigation and his death, at least upon 136 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 3: you know, kind of a cursory search. But I do 137 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 3: think this is definitely appropriate to include in the episode 138 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 3: coming up on supplements, no question. 139 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: Also, Suarez me have a space in our continuing series 140 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: on the mysterious deaths of inventors and scientists, which again unfortunately, 141 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: will be a continuing series. 142 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 3: Absolutely, And since we did mention that we got quite 143 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 3: a few emails about supplements and the potassium, I thought 144 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 3: we might read another one that's sort of a counter 145 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 3: to Poodle Crab's message. This one coming from Pepper and Hello, 146 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 3: I've been loving and listening to your show for about 147 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 3: a year now. This is my second email by the way, 148 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 3: so this is the test to see if you do 149 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 3: read them all. Wait wink, Well here we go tests past. 150 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 3: It feels a little like a conspiracy just saying okay, 151 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 3: well it's conspiracy salt. I previously wrote about haunted airplanes 152 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 3: and ems, but that's neither here nor there. I had 153 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 3: to immediately respond to the show before I even finished 154 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 3: the entire episode, because I generally worry about the health 155 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,599 Speaker 3: implications of the letter written into you guys regarding the 156 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 3: use of potassium. First, I will say I have worked 157 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 3: as a nurse and in critical care for about ten 158 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 3: years now. I'm not a doctor, so there is your disclaimer, 159 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 3: but I am working on my nursing doctorate. Either way, 160 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 3: I know a thing or two about electrolytes. Let me 161 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 3: start by saying that your body is designed to conserve 162 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 3: and highly regulate your potassium in a very narrow and 163 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 3: safe range. This would be the reason that you cannot 164 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 3: buy over the counter potassium in more than ten milligrams, 165 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 3: because it can and would be fatal without the oversight 166 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 3: of a physician. In the hospital, we can only administer 167 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 3: potassium at a rate of ten me eq per hour safely. 168 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 3: Otherwise we run the risk of fatal cardiac arrhythmias. If 169 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 3: you have a medical condition that requires supplementation, a doctor 170 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 3: will prescribe one for you at a higher dosage and 171 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 3: you will likely require blood work to monitor this. Common 172 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:00,719 Speaker 3: reasons would be medications that prevent your kidneys from retaining 173 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 3: those potassium levels so tightly. People who tend to have 174 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 3: lower potassium levels are likely due to a dietary deficiency, 175 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 3: which is the best and safest way for your body 176 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 3: to get potassium. This can be found in bananas, leafy greens, beans, avocados, tomatoes, 177 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 3: all things you don't have to cook, root, vegetables, zucchini, eggplant, 178 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 3: et cetera. I fear it is likely that people are 179 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 3: not getting enough fresh fruits and vegetables. Additionally, magnesium and 180 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 3: potassium have a type of symbiotic relationship, as our previous 181 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 3: emailer mentioned, meaning if your magnesium is low, there is 182 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 3: a good chance that your potassium will be low, and 183 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 3: magnesium supplements are much safer and easier to get over 184 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 3: the counter. Bottom line, if you're concerned about your electrolytes, 185 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 3: get them checked out. There are even places that you 186 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 3: can go without a doctor's order to have them checked, 187 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 3: I would have to say there's probably no conspiracy to 188 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 3: prevent people from getting potassium. It is, in fact, this 189 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 3: way to prevent people from accidentally putting themselves into a 190 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 3: cardiac arrests. There you go. Also, they attached to an 191 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 3: email with a picture of their blind death dog with eyebrows. 192 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 1: Yes, thank you for sending by the Yeah, yeah, thank 193 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: you everyone who's been sending the the pet photos. I 194 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: love the eyebrow work there. And I do want to 195 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: point out for anybody who hears the phrase blind deaf dog, 196 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: let's remember that the primary way canines encounter the world 197 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,959 Speaker 1: is through the sense of smell. So we know this 198 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: very lucky pooch is very lucky to have a human 199 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 1: like you in their lives. 200 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 2: That's right. Absolutely a couple of things here. The eyebrows 201 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 2: are amazing, by the way. I've been wanting to try 202 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 2: to I have a white dog as well, and she's 203 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 2: got expressive eyebrows. I really think that's the way to go. 204 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 2: I'm drinking a coffee right now, guys, that has two hundred, 205 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 2: at least, according to the packaging, two hundred and sixty 206 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 2: eight milligrams of potassium in it, and I don't know why. 207 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 2: I'm looking at the ingredients list and there's no like, oh, 208 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 2: there's potassium in here. 209 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:05,319 Speaker 1: It's already flavoring to it. 210 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 2: There's a small Yeah, it's a it's a rich mocha, 211 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 2: black rifle thing, some energy drink. It's like energy coffee, right, 212 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 2: so it's got extra stuff in it. 213 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: Black rifle is a flavor. 214 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 2: No, that's the company makes it. 215 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 3: Okay, sounds dangerous. 216 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 2: But we're not sponsored by them. 217 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 3: By the way, watch out for those cardiac arrhythmias. 218 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 2: Matt Well, I know like that. It genuinely worries me. 219 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 2: It says it's six percent of my you know, intake 220 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 2: of potassium on a daily basis, and I just don't 221 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:34,719 Speaker 2: know enough about it. 222 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,959 Speaker 3: I do want to point out that I had to 223 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 3: google something and I was a little unclear as to 224 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 3: what it meant, so I went with milligrams. But the 225 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 3: actual term that uh Pepper and using the email was 226 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 3: m e q, which is a medical term. It's an 227 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 3: expression of the number of grams of a medication contained 228 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 3: in one millilter of a normal solution. Okay, so ten 229 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 3: milligrams might actually be off, but it seems that that 230 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 3: was what they were getting. 231 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 2: Okay, Oh hey, there was another message. We don't have 232 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 2: to read the whole message, but there's a message from 233 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 2: I believe it's Baron Eaton himself talking about the prime 234 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 2: energy drink in hydration drinks that Logan Paul is putting 235 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 2: out right now, first of his name, Logan of the Paul's, 236 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 2: and just the amount of potassium that's contained in those drinks. 237 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 2: Interesting stuff. 238 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: And again shout out to shout out to iron Man. 239 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: I wanted to mention in our previous listener mail conversation 240 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: he had something in the title that was like beans, 241 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: but not the way that you think. So it sounds 242 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: like one of the primary things we're hearing from our 243 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: fellow listeners is that eating the right sorts of foods 244 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 1: can function as preventative medicine in this case. So it 245 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: turns out stick Man from dead Press was right, Let 246 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: your food be your medicine, guys. 247 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 3: So sorry, just through er straight ten me eqs is 248 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 3: seven hundred and forty milligrams. Oh so you're fine, Matt, 249 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 3: You're fine. 250 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm so sorry. 251 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 3: Maybe we should even I don't know we got there. Sorry, 252 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 3: not a medical professional here. First time i'd seen that term, 253 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 3: but I did find a converter, so yes, it is different. 254 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 3: Em Eq's is his own measurement, and seven hundred and 255 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 3: forty milligrams is ten em eq's Okay, you're you're not 256 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 3: gonna You're gonna be okay, Matt, You're gonna be okay. 257 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 2: Oh wait, but according to Baron, Eaton Prime Sports drink 258 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 2: has seven hundred milligrams of potassium in it, which is 259 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 2: like right on it's right on the line. 260 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 3: It does appear to be right on the line. 261 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: Yes, get on it. 262 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 3: Well, thanks to Poodle Crab and Pepper and for those 263 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 3: very interesting emails that you know, sort of different perspectives, 264 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 3: but they also had some some interesting overlap. So let's 265 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 3: take a quick break here a word from our sponsor, 266 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 3: and then come back with more messages from you. 267 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 2: All right, we've returned, and we are going to Oregon 268 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 2: for a little story from a concerned citizen. 269 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 4: Hey guys, it's me again, calling from central Oregon, most 270 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 4: central southern Oregon. Anyway, let's call me concerned citizens today. 271 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 4: So there is a dam just north of Roseburg, Oregon, 272 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 4: on the north on Quar River called the Winchester Dams. 273 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 4: I think that's right, it's other Winchester or Winston. It's 274 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 4: got to be Winchester Winston South anyway. So it's pretty 275 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 4: much like air and rocky bitch. Levels is bad for 276 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 4: the drinking water that we are supplied here in Rothbert, 277 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 4: and nobody is doing anything about it. As far as 278 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 4: I can tell. The dam was placed illegally. It does 279 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 4: not off of power generation, It does not have a 280 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 4: fish ladder. It is simply just basically a puddle for 281 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 4: rich people on the river to have for their seaboats. 282 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 4: Then that's it. There is no public access to it whatsoever. 283 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 4: It's just a rich neighborhood with a pool that is 284 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 4: made out of the river basically. And I was hoping 285 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 4: that you could shine a little bit of light on 286 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 4: that for me, because I should not do digging near 287 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 4: as well as you guys. Thank you so much for 288 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 4: your time. And Happy New Year. 289 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 2: Hey, Happy New Year to you. That was sent to 290 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:11,239 Speaker 2: us in like early February. Guys, so happy. 291 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: Happy Halloween as well. I love that too. 292 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 2: Merry Christmas, happy, So thank you so much. Concerned citizen guys, 293 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 2: we're traveling to Rossberg. I think that's how you pronounce 294 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 2: their concerned citizen I would have said Roseberg because that's 295 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 2: how it's spelled. Uh. And we're talking about the Umpquah 296 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 2: River that kind of snakes through this area. And you 297 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 2: can look at the it is the Winchester damn by 298 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 2: the way, and you you can look at a picture 299 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 2: of this from up above via the Google Maps and 300 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 2: you can see where the dam exists and where kind 301 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 2: of the neighborhood area is that concerned citizen is referencing there. 302 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 2: Did a little searching just to try and figure out 303 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 2: what's going on with this dam. The first first thing 304 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 2: I came across was an AP news article from early 305 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 2: October last year, twenty twenty three. I'll just give you 306 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 2: the title so you can look it up on your own. 307 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 2: Oregon seeks twenty seven million for damn repair it says 308 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 2: resulted in mass death of Pacific lamprey fish. I think, guys, 309 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 2: I think we heard about this just in our news 310 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 2: explorations that we do every week, but we never really talked. 311 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 2: We didn't talk about it wasn't a huge thing. It's 312 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 2: a fish die off. Those are unfortunately common now. This 313 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 2: one had to do with repairs to this Winchester Dam 314 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 2: that were being done by a couple of different organizations, 315 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 2: the Winchester Water Control District and then under that terra 316 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 2: firma Foundation Repair. Who are actually that's the company that's 317 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 2: actually performing repairs, and I think it's called Dowel Dowl LLC, 318 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 2: an organization that was going to work to basically get 319 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 2: the lamprey fish out of harm's way when this dam 320 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,239 Speaker 2: or part of the river had to be drained in 321 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 2: order to make repairs to the dam. Now, when you 322 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 2: hear that in your head, what does that look like? 323 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,719 Speaker 2: That means the dam itself where the water stops right 324 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 2: where the river stops up against that dam. They had 325 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,959 Speaker 2: to stop water from flowing down the river to a 326 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 2: certain extent in order to actually go in and repair 327 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 2: the foundation of that dam itself. And at least according 328 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 2: to this suit that you can find, it's I think 329 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 2: it's from right around that same time. October sixth, twenty 330 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 2: twenty three, there is a claim from the State of Oregon, 331 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 2: via the Department of Fish and Wildlife and the State 332 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 2: Fish and Wildlife Commission, of twenty seven point five eighty 333 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 2: five million dollars against these organizations for not properly getting 334 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 2: those Pacific lamprey fish out of harms way before draining 335 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 2: the thing that has nothing to do with water quality, 336 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 2: concerned citizen, So sorry, that is not what you're calling 337 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 2: in about. That's just the first thing we noticed, because 338 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 2: this dam itself has been looked at with some pretty 339 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 2: heavy scrutiny. And in that article, I'm just gonna read 340 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 2: this statement because this is how the dam is described 341 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 2: by Claire Rush, who wrote that article for AP News. 342 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 2: Quote built in eighteen ninety on the North Umpqua River. 343 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 2: Winchester Dam is a former hydropower plant that is now 344 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 2: privately owned by the water district's residents. So the neighborhood, right, 345 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 2: the concerned citizens talking about, going back to the quote, 346 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 2: who largely use it for water sports and recreation, according 347 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 2: to this complaint again by the state of Oregon. So 348 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 2: they're at least confirming that that's what the dam is, 349 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 2: who uses it, and you know why it still exists, right, 350 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 2: So then we jump down just to gosh, like less 351 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 2: than twenty days later, there is a piece written in 352 00:19:55,880 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 2: Oregon Public Broadcasting by Alex I think baumhar Ar sow 353 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 2: you would say that this is about the very thing 354 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 2: concernsys and was talking about that same water district is 355 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 2: facing or was facing fines for water violations, so basically 356 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 2: sending unclean water down the river because of whatever is 357 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 2: occurring on the other side of that dam where the 358 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 2: residents live. Right, guys, do you have that article up. Yes, 359 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 2: Let's go through it just quickly, because I haven't looked 360 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 2: at this too deeply. Let's just find out what the 361 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,679 Speaker 2: heck is actually going on. Is it going back to 362 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 2: those same repairs basically that they sent chemicals or silt 363 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 2: or something down the river? 364 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 1: Right? Yeah. The issue is if you have ever been 365 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 1: around a construction site, they get really messy really quick. 366 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: That's just the nature of how construction works and the 367 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: concerns here. I'm going also, Matt to some folks at 368 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: a place called waterwatch dot org who have made some 369 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 1: comments on this. The dam repairs are controversial because locals 370 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: feel the folks repair of the dam have not followed 371 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: the established standard operating procedure and as such, it didn't 372 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 1: just compromise the passage and safety of fish or marine wildlife, 373 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: but it also compromised the drinking water. And waterwatch dot 374 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 1: org fellow conspiracy realist, you can tell by the title 375 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 1: they have a certain perspective. Yeah, waterwatch dot org is 376 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 1: arguing that the local community provided information on how to 377 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: conduct these repairs well in advance to preserve the quality 378 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: of drinking water and the quality of I don't want 379 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 1: to say, quality of life, the chance of existence for 380 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: these fish, and that they were roundly, consistently, continually ignored 381 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: even though they did everything right in terms of speaking 382 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: with the appropriate authorities and so on. 383 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 2: Dude. Well, according to Oregon Public Broadcasting, the two main 384 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 2: things are the reason that there is a fine of 385 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty four thousand additional dollars for basically 386 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 2: water quality was because the companies performing those repairs quote 387 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 2: allowed concrete to spill into the river, which is probably 388 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 2: not great. And they placed what they're saying are unpermitted 389 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 2: mats made of heavy truck tires in the river. And 390 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 2: we've talked about this before, the dangers of that, the 391 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 2: specific types of rubber and metal that go together to 392 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,959 Speaker 2: create a modern tire, and how when that stuff breaks 393 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 2: down just on streets, right on roads, especially highways, that 394 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 2: pollutes the water table. As again, just imagine the particulate 395 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 2: matter of tires slowly, very very slowly wearing down That's 396 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 2: why you got to replace your tires right when they 397 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 2: go you go in and check them because you're actually 398 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 2: losing rubber on the road. That could be potentially really 399 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 2: dangerous just sitting in a river's waterways. 400 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 3: Right. 401 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. 402 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: It reminds me of a few years back during my 403 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: car stuff days, we looked into this very well intentioned 404 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:31,120 Speaker 1: mission to save coral reefs by setting up used tires 405 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 1: as a sculpture for them to grow on. Spoiler, it 406 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: did not work well, and I feel like also Matt. 407 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: At this point, we probably want to share with everyone 408 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: a description of the Pacific lamb prey. This does not 409 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,360 Speaker 1: look like a trout. It does not look like a salmon. 410 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 1: It looks like the worms from Dune. It looks like 411 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:57,199 Speaker 1: a very Kawhi powe version of the worms from Dune, 412 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: or this Venusian sandworms beetlejuice. These guys are not winning 413 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: fish beauty contest, but no, they are an important part 414 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: of the ecosystem. They do deserve to exist. Just want 415 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 1: to give you a warning, a heads up, folks. If 416 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 1: you're playing along at home and you heard you heard 417 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 1: concerned citizen in Matt mentioned lamb preis gird yourself be ready. 418 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't. 419 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 1: Look like they belong on earth, but they do. 420 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 2: And they are pretty tiny. It's it's kind of like 421 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 2: an eel and a fish together with some kind of 422 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,360 Speaker 2: face hugger situation. 423 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: They'll get you, they'll get you. 424 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 2: Well, there are many of them are parasitic. I believe 425 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 2: the Pacific lamp prey is parasitic. There's there's like one 426 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:48,880 Speaker 2: species in Oregon that is not. You know, they're really interesting. Oh, 427 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 2: they function the way we know salmon function. Remember we 428 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 2: talked about that salmon sucker whatever the thing was this. 429 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 1: Salmon they ca Yeah. 430 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 2: This damn doesn't have anything like that for these lampreys 431 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 2: or the salmon that exist on that river that are 432 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 2: wont to get back up the river to spawn. But 433 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 2: they can't. Well, and that's not good. So that needs 434 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 2: to change for sure. Oh what was the Oh, good goodness, 435 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 2: there was one other thing I wanted to talk about 436 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 2: with this With these guys. They are kind of tiny 437 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 2: and weird, looking like almost like worms that way you 438 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,479 Speaker 2: describe it ben not a sand worm, but just an 439 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 2: actual worm. They just look really weird. You can see 440 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 2: pictures of a lot of them dying or expired in 441 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 2: the river bed when those repairs were occurring. 442 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 3: Terrible. 443 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't seem like something how do I put this, 444 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 2: It doesn't seem like something that most people would be 445 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 2: concerned about. 446 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: Right. True, they're also though they do have a big 447 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: part in Native American ceremonies and folklore. Like they're they 448 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 1: do matter, right, even things that I don't know if 449 00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: anybody listening this evening is thinking, I know the most 450 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,199 Speaker 1: beautiful fish, or if you have had a hierarchy in 451 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: your head, the land pray may not meet it. But 452 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: again they do have they do have a right to exist. 453 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,959 Speaker 1: And our word for the day, I suppose would be 454 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 1: anadromas or anadromus, which is just the marine life forms 455 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 1: that are required to migrate to exist. And if you 456 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: set up it's kind of like the land bridges that 457 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: have been built over interstates and state roads. If you 458 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: interrupt that passage of life, then you are fuzeing with 459 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: the larger ecosystem in a way that humans do not 460 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: fully understand. There is no political bias in saying that. 461 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: That is just absolutely true. In the land bridge example, 462 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: what the humans did was they said, hey, where a 463 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: lot of mammals specifically are going to die because they 464 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,199 Speaker 1: cannot move through their natural range without getting hit by 465 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: a semitruck or a tractor trailer. Uh you know, or 466 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: like hot headed, fast and furious camaro I don't know. 467 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: So they built these They built these natural esque land 468 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 1: bridges over the roads, and that solved the problem. It 469 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: seems that it should be standard operating procedure for human 470 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 1: made dams to have something like that for fish, right, Yeah. 471 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 2: No, that makes that makes total sense. I think it's 472 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 2: something that should occur. Let's make it happen, y'all. H 473 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 2: slash the what was it called the Winchester Water Control District? 474 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 2: Come on, guys, is. 475 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: That our new Is that our new beef for the week. 476 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 2: No, we don't know enough about it. We were sent 477 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 2: a message and we're looking ato it for the first time. 478 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 2: Oh can I do a shout out for another podcast 479 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 2: really quickly? Guys not affiliated with us. 480 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 1: In anyways please. 481 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 2: Of course, I am obsessed with and have blown through 482 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 2: every episode in existence of a show called We're Here 483 00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 2: to Help. It's uh, it's Gareth Reynolds and Jake Johnson. 484 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 2: Gareth Reynolds aka Fit Aaron Paul If you guys ever 485 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 2: hear that. I'm saying that on purpose, and it is. 486 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 2: It's an advice show, like a call in advice show 487 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 2: that is tremendously entertaining. And hats off to those guys 488 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 2: and to Kevin who's their producer. Hats off to them 489 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 2: for just making a splendidly entertaining show. 490 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,479 Speaker 1: And it's not related to the two thousand and seven 491 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:28,360 Speaker 1: comedy We're here now. 492 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 2: No, this is just two guys who occasionally have guests 493 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 2: on and give advice to random callers. But the cool 494 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 2: thing about the show is that, like early on, you'll 495 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 2: hear them give advice to one person, right, and then 496 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 2: like ten episodes later, that same person calls back in 497 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 2: to update on how the thing is going. So you 498 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 2: get this experience of like just a journey you're taking 499 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 2: with everybody who's a part of the show. It's splendid. 500 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: Nice. 501 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 3: Nice. 502 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: We also have to say it's not all bad news 503 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: in terms of the existence of fish, right. We know 504 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: that there are like I saw something that just about 505 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: a week ago where also in Oregon, not Central Oregon, 506 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,719 Speaker 1: Eastern Oregon, they had their first salmon spawn in like 507 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: three decades. 508 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 3: Oh wow. 509 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, So these these things sound maybe weird and obscure 510 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: and municipal or maybe tree huggish, but they do matter. 511 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: It is important to stick up for the wildlife in 512 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: your neck of the global woods. 513 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and for the water quality. 514 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, also the humans. So I always forget to 515 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: add that part. Yeah, done too. 516 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 2: Well, I mean everybody's got to use that water, including 517 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 2: the lamp rays. 518 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 3: Come on. 519 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 2: All right, Well that's it for now, Thanks so much, 520 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 2: concerned citizen. We'll be right back with more messages from you. 521 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: Hello. Everyone. Quick note before we proceed with the last 522 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: part of this week's listener mail segment, we are going 523 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: to explore correspondence we received related to our earlier episode 524 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: on tainted polio vaccinations. After we recorded this episode, we 525 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: learned that the heroic Paul Alexander passed away on March twelfth. 526 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: We're playing the episode as we recorded it before his demise, 527 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: and our thoughts go out to his family and friends. 528 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. We now resume our regular show 529 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: and we have returned with some messages from you. First 530 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: things first, folks, thank you to everyone who tuned in 531 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: on our episode about tainted polio. It is a heartbreaking 532 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: chapter of American history, and as we said earlier in 533 00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: that episode, history itself is always close than it might 534 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: look in your textbooks and in your rear view mirror. 535 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: So we thought we would share, uh, some excerpts from 536 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: many of our fellow conspiracy realists who wrote in with 537 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: their own experiences regarding polio. We want to go first 538 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: to our pal Jake, who says in part first off, 539 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: Osama bin Laden, personally, I'm glad he's gone. I would 540 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: like to share an innert hot take. Yeah, we were 541 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: worried about that. 542 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 3: Hold stands out there that on a couple of levels. 543 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: Noel, that was very well done. 544 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 3: I oh yeah, it was beautiful. 545 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: Also, I remember, you know, for any pro bin Laden 546 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 1: folks in the audience, I'll take the hit. I was 547 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: the one who said, I think he's a bit of 548 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: a pill. Also, glad he's gone, Jake, Team Jake on that, 549 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: Jake wanted to share an interview from another podcast that 550 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 1: he listens to quite a bit. Again, not affiliated with us, 551 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: but we want to give credit where it's due. Jake 552 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 1: is telling us about the Sean Ryan Show. Episode twenty 553 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: seven has Rob O'Neill from Seal Team six and the 554 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: name of the episode is the man who killed Ben Lawton, 555 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: So we haven't done an entire episode yet on the 556 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 1: circumstances surrounding the death of obl You can hear, I 557 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: think at different times in our past. You can hear 558 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: us take a couple shots at the official story, and 559 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: maybe there's an episode in the future. But Jake says 560 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: interesting bits and pieces here. You don't really hear about 561 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 1: the media or Hollywood. This podcast, Sean Ryans, has interviews 562 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 1: with ex military types that would make you think, okay, 563 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 1: just another military Harry interview show. Yet it delves into 564 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,719 Speaker 1: a bunch of topics ranging from psychedelic treatments, UFO and UAP, 565 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: human trafficking, remote viewing, and more so, if you, as 566 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 1: Matt said earlier, we don't restrict ourselves to shouting out 567 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: shows that are on our network or that work with us. 568 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: We shout out shows that we think are worth your time. 569 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 1: Here's what Jake says about polio quote. Secondly, polio Obviously, 570 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: there is an increasing division between those four vaccines and 571 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,719 Speaker 1: against vaccines, with the COVID vaccine at the forefront. There 572 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: are people out there, myself included, that are definitely four vaccines. 573 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 1: Childhood travel, requirements, et cetera, but are against the COVID 574 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: vaccines and are being swept into the evil anti vaxxer category. 575 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 1: All that being said, I firmly believe we all have 576 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: to do our own research and decide what is best 577 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 1: for our own health and that of our families. The 578 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 1: Cutter pharmaceutical story brought up something I read a few 579 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,240 Speaker 1: years ago that raised the hair on my back about 580 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: an oral polio vaccine that was being developed in the 581 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 1: late fifties. And here is a returning indirect guest. Jake 582 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: pointed out a book we talked about in the past, 583 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,879 Speaker 1: The River, A Journey to the Source of HIV by 584 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 1: Edward Hooper. Remember this, we talked about this a few 585 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: years ago. We read the book too. 586 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 2: You read the book. 587 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 1: We know about the book. It is an interesting read. 588 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: It's one that I think we want to hear more 589 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 1: people respond to because in this book, Hooper lays out 590 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,399 Speaker 1: what you could call a conspiracy theory, and it's made 591 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 1: in good faith, and it made enough of a splash 592 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 1: that scientists looked back at the theory. As Jake note, 593 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 1: it is considered largely disproven, But the question is is 594 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 1: it disproven for real? Or is it a cover up? 595 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 1: We want your opinions. Just going to roll that one 596 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 1: out to the audience. 597 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 3: But do you guys. 598 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 1: Remember hearing this theory about the propagation of AIDS like 599 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 1: a tainted vaccine? 600 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 2: Uh? Yes, it's it's weird because I remember we encountered it. 601 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 2: I'm talking about vaccines is just weird nowadays. It's just 602 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 2: a weird subject of any vaccine in general. Right, And 603 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 2: this concept, I felt like we didn't see it proven 604 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,719 Speaker 2: from the book, but I don't know that. I wasn't convinced. 605 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 1: But same, same, same. However, we are not medical professionals, 606 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 1: as we always say in these conversations, So let us 607 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 1: know what you think about this book. Thank you to 608 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: Jake for writing in here. We have another thing and 609 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 1: an interesting care evolution from a returning guest, our guest 610 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,319 Speaker 1: who now goes by the conversant coyote. 611 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 2: Oh was the original? 612 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 1: Originally this coyote was stoned Stone. Okay, he'll stop talking, 613 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 1: so conversant and he says, greetings, voices from the void. 614 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 1: I'm sure you've gotten a few emails about this, but 615 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 1: just in case you didn't, I wanted to pass it 616 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 1: on to you after listening to your episode on polio, 617 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 1: I found myself a little shocked you didn't mention Paul Alexander, 618 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 1: who contracted polio in nineteen fifty two and has needed 619 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 1: to use an iron lung ever since. He is now 620 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,719 Speaker 1: an attorney in Texas and his story really brings home 621 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 1: this disease to the modern day. Here's a link to 622 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,880 Speaker 1: a story about him, and I hope you all find 623 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 1: it as interesting as I did. And our now conversant 624 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: coyote says, excellent piece in the gard Lady and by 625 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 1: Linda Rodriguez McRobbie called the man in the iron lung, 626 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:09,360 Speaker 1: And with our conversation about tane and polio vaccines, we're 627 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,320 Speaker 1: call we did mention the iron lung, and I think 628 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 1: we were asking each other, you know, is this a 629 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 1: quality of life question? Right? Do you have to be 630 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,840 Speaker 1: in an iron lung for the entirety of your existence? 631 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,920 Speaker 3: That's right? We didn't quite, I think fully know. And 632 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 3: then the way it's reported oftentimes does seem like it's 633 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 3: you're isolated in that environment. But it does appear from 634 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,239 Speaker 3: several first hand accounts that we got the email and 635 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 3: other sources that you can just do a couple hours 636 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 3: a day or even a week. 637 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:41,280 Speaker 4: Yeah. 638 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's a type of what's called a negative 639 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 1: pressure ventilator. It's a mechanical respirator. And to your point, Noel, 640 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 1: I was wondering if it's similar to dialysis treatment, right, Like, 641 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 1: you're not always hooked to a dialysis machine if you 642 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:03,160 Speaker 1: are undergoing dialysis, but you do have to go in regularly. 643 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,440 Speaker 1: It looks like the argument is that the use of 644 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:12,399 Speaker 1: iron lungs today is largely obsolete because there have been 645 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 1: improvements in respiration breathing therapies. However, during the COVID nineteen pandemic, 646 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:23,400 Speaker 1: and I didn't know this, there was a moment of 647 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:29,360 Speaker 1: re emergent interest in using iron lungs as a cheap 648 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:34,319 Speaker 1: substitute for ventilators because so many people needed them. 649 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 3: I didn't know that. 650 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,799 Speaker 1: I didn't know it either, And I'm thankful that we 651 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:45,200 Speaker 1: are not currently using iron lungs and ventilators. But please 652 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,879 Speaker 1: do check out that Guardian story. We have one more. 653 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,800 Speaker 1: We had so much response to the story about the 654 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,680 Speaker 1: polio the cutter incident, right, and here's one last one 655 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,359 Speaker 1: from Grace, And this is one that I think meant 656 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 1: a lot to all of us, and hopefully to those 657 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 1: of us listening at home too high stuff. They don't 658 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,160 Speaker 1: want you to know, writes Grace. I'm a thirty two 659 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,120 Speaker 1: year old polio survivor and I'd love to chat more 660 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,719 Speaker 1: about the polio episode and how important vaccines are to 661 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:21,359 Speaker 1: keep polio at bay. Grace has shared with us her 662 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,040 Speaker 1: own and it's totally okay to see her name on 663 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,840 Speaker 1: ericause she has shared with us a piece she wrote 664 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 1: at voicesfo Vaccines dot org. You can read that. You 665 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:37,080 Speaker 1: can find it easily, just search on your browser choice 666 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:42,240 Speaker 1: Grace Voices for Vaccines. I'm a polio survivor. I don't 667 00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,960 Speaker 1: want you to get it. And in this we see 668 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,919 Speaker 1: again that history is much closer than the textbooks make 669 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,840 Speaker 1: it appear. I'll just give us the very beginning of 670 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:57,600 Speaker 1: this and let's discuss, Grace writes. In July twenty twenty two, 671 00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 1: an unvaccinated twenty year old in Rock County, New York 672 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:05,760 Speaker 1: was diagnosed with paralytic polio, a disease that's almost eradicated. 673 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,759 Speaker 1: Then they ask how did this happen to polio's survivors 674 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 1: like me? It was only a matter of when, not if. 675 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:20,960 Speaker 1: With misinformation regarding healthcare and vaccines skyrocketing, and then Grace continues, 676 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,320 Speaker 1: I'm thirty years old. I contracted polio in nineteen ninety 677 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 1: two in India, shortly after I was adopted and raised 678 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,480 Speaker 1: in Saint Louis, Missouri by a phenomenal and supportive family. 679 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,959 Speaker 1: Despite having great insurance and access to world class medical care, 680 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,960 Speaker 1: polio is not an easy ride. One in two hundred 681 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:46,440 Speaker 1: polio infections are paralytic, and mine was one of them. Jeez, 682 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:52,719 Speaker 1: it goes on. The stats are solid. Grace is an 683 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:57,920 Speaker 1: awesome person. Grace is also bringing up, I think something 684 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,919 Speaker 1: that it's easy for us to forget in the modern day, 685 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:06,799 Speaker 1: which is just because you're not hearing about something in 686 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,240 Speaker 1: a headline, just because it's not all over social media, 687 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,480 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean it's gone. These things are out there. 688 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,440 Speaker 1: They're very real. And the reason we bring this up, 689 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 1: similar to the potassium debate, We're hearing a lot of 690 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:29,480 Speaker 1: very well written, very well reasoned, sometimes contradictory correspondence about 691 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,600 Speaker 1: polio and indeed about the nature of vaccines in general. 692 00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,400 Speaker 1: So I was hoping that we could make space real quick. 693 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,480 Speaker 1: Do you guys have reactions to this, like, would you 694 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,880 Speaker 1: if you contracted polio or something. Would you go to 695 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,560 Speaker 1: an iron lung if you had to? What would be 696 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:53,600 Speaker 1: your decision? Wow, just the small talk, just the light questions. 697 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:58,360 Speaker 3: Well, I'm no expert, so I would. I guess I 698 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,279 Speaker 3: would do my own research, as we always recommend to doing, 699 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,800 Speaker 3: and I would pair that with the advice of medical 700 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,040 Speaker 3: professionals and see where I landed. If it seemed like 701 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,040 Speaker 3: something that would benefit me long term, and I didn't 702 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:15,000 Speaker 3: it didn't, like you said, Ben, completely plummet my quality 703 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:16,960 Speaker 3: of life, then yeah, I think I would do it. 704 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 1: Well. 705 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,000 Speaker 2: Going back to that Guardian article the man in the 706 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:24,239 Speaker 2: Iron Lung, this person contracted polio a long time ago. 707 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,879 Speaker 2: He's now seventy four years old as of three years ago, 708 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:31,560 Speaker 2: so he has seventy seven now, And isn't he Isn't 709 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,319 Speaker 2: he in an attorney? Yes, in Texas, So I mean 710 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,640 Speaker 2: cares about that iron lung. Just following Paul's footsteps, you 711 00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,080 Speaker 2: good to go, Paul Alexander. That's amazing. 712 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,080 Speaker 1: Get the law on your side, get your degree. 713 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,480 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, but yeah, there are images of him 714 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,120 Speaker 2: when he was first written about, when he was a 715 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,200 Speaker 2: child and in an iron lung, of him painting with 716 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,640 Speaker 2: his mouth, using you know, holding the paintbrush with his 717 00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,960 Speaker 2: mouth and making incredible art. I think in the end, 718 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:05,360 Speaker 2: it's how how strong are you mentally right with anything 719 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,520 Speaker 2: like this? And and if you're If you are, if 720 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,680 Speaker 2: you can find it within yourself to fight and keep 721 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,040 Speaker 2: moving forward, then you know the physical stuff's going to 722 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,840 Speaker 2: affect you the way it does, and you just decide 723 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:17,920 Speaker 2: how you let that affect you. 724 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,279 Speaker 1: Right, what is your support network to? 725 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,480 Speaker 2: Oh, hug, that's huge. 726 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,439 Speaker 1: That is actually a fundamental ingredient in what we call 727 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:30,879 Speaker 1: blue zones. Blue zones are the parts of human civilization 728 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,680 Speaker 1: wherein people have a much higher chance of living past 729 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,640 Speaker 1: one hundred. Uh there's there are only I think two 730 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,520 Speaker 1: in the US. One is in California and one is 731 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:46,439 Speaker 1: weirdly enough, in New Jersey. Yeah, no offense to our 732 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,399 Speaker 1: listeners in New Jersey for me saying weirdly enough. 733 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,600 Speaker 2: But but hey, just to go back to Grace's story too. Yes, 734 00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,160 Speaker 2: you know she's shared. She's out there sharing her story 735 00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,360 Speaker 2: with places like the Shriner's Hospital and stuff, and she 736 00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:03,160 Speaker 2: is taking that adversity that she's faced and turning it 737 00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,399 Speaker 2: into something super positive the same way Paul did. 738 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:06,399 Speaker 3: So, I love. 739 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,480 Speaker 1: I agree with that. Yeah, and I think that's an 740 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:14,719 Speaker 1: excellent point because both Paul and Grace, by raising visibility 741 00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:20,160 Speaker 1: have been actively saving lives. You can never discount that, right, 742 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:24,960 Speaker 1: And let's maybe end our polio conversation for now with 743 00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,920 Speaker 1: a quote directly from you, Grace, and thank you again 744 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,360 Speaker 1: so much for your advocacy and for sharing her story. 745 00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:36,480 Speaker 1: Grace writes, Misinformation is why a twenty year old was 746 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:41,520 Speaker 1: diagnosed with polio in twenty twenty two. Misinformation is why 747 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:46,759 Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands unnecessarily died of COVID instead of being vaccinated. 748 00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:52,160 Speaker 1: Misinformation will continue to disable and kill people as long 749 00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:57,600 Speaker 1: as it remains unchecked. It's something to think about, and 750 00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,960 Speaker 1: we wanted to say that there is, uh, there's much 751 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:07,440 Speaker 1: more to discuss regarding polio, regarding the concept of vaccination 752 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,640 Speaker 1: in general. We look forward to hearing from you, fellow 753 00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,560 Speaker 1: conspiracy realist. We like to do a little bit of 754 00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:17,120 Speaker 1: a letters from Home at the end, not necessarily new 755 00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,759 Speaker 1: leads on new shows or topics, but just you know, 756 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,359 Speaker 1: some how you do ons some nice to see us. 757 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:24,240 Speaker 3: Uh. 758 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,440 Speaker 1: We got to give a shout out to our friends 759 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:32,200 Speaker 1: a Casual Preppers podcast and our fantastic social team Station sixteen, 760 00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:36,160 Speaker 1: especially our pal Erica. We started doing some polls on 761 00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,960 Speaker 1: the internets and we were asking questions like what is it, 762 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,239 Speaker 1: what's your favorite survival food? Or what's the best what 763 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:44,720 Speaker 1: do you need to bring into a bunker? 764 00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,799 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah. Did we put out the one 765 00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,320 Speaker 2: about uh, what's which vehicle slash ride? 766 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:52,120 Speaker 1: I think we did? 767 00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:57,280 Speaker 2: Oh yeah in in an apocalypse situation? Definitely going Falcory, Yeah, yeah, 768 00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:57,959 Speaker 2: for sure. 769 00:45:58,160 --> 00:45:59,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the way. 770 00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, foul course the way. But check out our polls 771 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:07,080 Speaker 1: that we're doing on Instagram. Again, all praise due to Erica. 772 00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,960 Speaker 1: Check out our pals casual Prepper podcasts. 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