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Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever, a production of My Heart

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Speaker 1: Radio Together Everything. So don Hello, my friends, my foes,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Worst Year Ever. Particularly hello to

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Speaker 1: Katie's Pose, which is the number one listening to demographic

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Speaker 1: for this podcast. I've done so many intros this year,

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Speaker 1: this goddamn year, and I just mixed it up. Just

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Speaker 1: let I opened my mouth when words came out, and

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Speaker 1: you know what I do. Welcome my foes. I know

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Speaker 1: either here, you know some of you hate me. That's fine.

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Speaker 1: Now it's got too real. I'm Katie Stole and I'm

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Speaker 1: joined as always by my friends and you and your foes.

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Speaker 1: And my last name is Johnson. I guess if we're

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Speaker 1: doing that that kind of thing, and I Katie's foes. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I I currently don't identify as Katie's foe. But you

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Speaker 1: know that scene in The Lord of the Rings when um,

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Speaker 1: when Galadriel like goes goes all nuts so on on

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Speaker 1: Bilbo and like talks about how she took the Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm waiting for Katie to do that, um, And

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Speaker 1: at that point I will become Katie's foe, um to

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Speaker 1: save the world from from tyranny. And who knows maybe

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Speaker 1: that day is today. We'll find out it might be.

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Speaker 1: It could happen at any second. We've all known happen

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Speaker 1: in the beginning of this could happen here. It could happen.

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Speaker 1: It could happen here in this podcast. You know, I

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Speaker 1: tuned on MSNBC briefly at some point in the past.

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Speaker 1: That was a mistake, I know. But it had like

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Speaker 1: a real big chiron caption of it could happen here,

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Speaker 1: you sons of bitches, sons of bitches. I took a

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Speaker 1: picture of it. It's floating around something so angry, and

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Speaker 1: all the people who are worse than me talking about

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Speaker 1: how a civil war might happen now as if just

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Speaker 1: I'm just you sons of bitches. Okay, okay, I want

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Speaker 1: er my foes. Are any people who have just started

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Speaker 1: writing think pieces about a civil war in the United

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Speaker 1: States in the last two months? Um? And are guys

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Speaker 1: are not thought like David from you son of a bitch?

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Speaker 1: Sorry from Yeah, We're gonna talk about room later in

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Speaker 1: this episode. I'm just I'm just you know, I had

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Speaker 1: a great moment I do want to talk about because

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Speaker 1: I'm a narcissist. I was heading to a protest on

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Speaker 1: Friday night with a group of about three or four Portlanders,

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Speaker 1: all armed with very large wooden shields, who like marched

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Speaker 1: off in military lines and did battle. I thought I

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Speaker 1: recognized David Freum in that line of people with shields. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he he he had a he had a faushion in

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Speaker 1: was not there. But as we're as this like line

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Speaker 1: Roman uh maniple into battle this uh and I'm like

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Speaker 1: kind of walking alongside them. He's like five four, I

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Speaker 1: think four or five kids, all in black. They looked

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Speaker 1: like they were like maybe in their late teens early

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Speaker 1: twenties and like completely blocked up head to toe. Um,

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Speaker 1: like walk up to me, and this young woman or

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Speaker 1: maybe girl, I don't even know if she was of

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Speaker 1: adult age says to me, I just wanted you to

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Speaker 1: know that my affinity group and I all listened to

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Speaker 1: it could happen here last year. Um, and it's like

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Speaker 1: we've completely based everything that we're doing now around it

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Speaker 1: as a result. And I was like, I have no

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Speaker 1: idea what you're going to do, probably commit serious crimes

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Speaker 1: tonight I'm very proud of you, um, and I hope

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Speaker 1: that you don't get hurt. But but also yeah, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, weird confinity group. An affinity group is like

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Speaker 1: your buddies. Basically, it's a group of people with whom

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Speaker 1: you share affinity. I thought you said infinity. No, like

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Speaker 1: the protests in Portland, and as a general rule, like

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Speaker 1: any kind of sustained illegalist like civil action is kind

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Speaker 1: of made up of a bunch of different interlocking groups

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Speaker 1: the same kinds of ship. That would be how I

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Speaker 1: describe it. Well, I've already learned something today. Anyway, Thank

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Speaker 1: you to the teenagers out there getting horribly abused by police.

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Speaker 1: Uh well in the police who are in their own

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Speaker 1: affinity groups, right that they are. They're in a very

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Speaker 1: cold one is the skull, right Katie. You guys seen

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Speaker 1: those really creepy uh Blue Lives Matter protesters that keep

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Speaker 1: going to Beverly Hills on Saturdays. That is different than

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Speaker 1: the Is that the same as the big MAGA protest

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Speaker 1: feels like they're shipping the main right now. That's kind

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Speaker 1: and nobody was wearing masks at this thing. Was cracking

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Speaker 1: down on them, No, of course not, of course, maybe

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Speaker 1: they've learned their lesson. Yes. Yes. In other news, like

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Speaker 1: the same day they arrested, uh, one of Jeremy Christian's

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Speaker 1: and they did not a goddamn thing Um, and then

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Speaker 1: they did not a goddamn thing because you know, Jeremy

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Speaker 1: then they arrested Dimitria Hester for exercising her first dominiment rights. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, thank god we have police. Second is the

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Speaker 1: first right. It's that's the order, that's that's that's how

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Speaker 1: to today. Uh yeah, it's a bit of a Hodgepodge

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Speaker 1: episode again because my god, there's so much happening all

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Speaker 1: think by talking about these coronavirus relief executive orders that

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Speaker 1: Trump announced last week. Um. And Cody John Cody Cody

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Speaker 1: Cody Johnson prepared the words to start that conversation and

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Speaker 1: just for like equality sick. What's up Cody's foes? Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: thank you very much. I mean, we're equal opportunity here.

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't want any of my pose to

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Speaker 1: it's more Cody's John John's foes. No, that's my Phody code,

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Speaker 1: the photies, photographies, photo synthesis and photo and so on.

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Speaker 1: As rating as this is a guy excited, Let's just

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Speaker 1: take a moment to appreciate what good radio. This is

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Speaker 1: just amazing. Love it. Um, are you guys excited about

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Speaker 1: the election and how we're finally gonna we're gonna we're

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Speaker 1: gonna flank the Dems from the left. No, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: like Trump is gonna he's gonna become a leftist hero

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Speaker 1: and do a lot of He's gonna help the people

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Speaker 1: So Um. Actually my assessment of the Democrat it wasn't

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Speaker 1: people talk about how Trump is he's gonna like he's

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Speaker 1: he's more left than Pelosi. Um. And I mean it's

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Speaker 1: being it's well, yeah, because he also it's still not true. Um,

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Speaker 1: because he he will he will say things uh vaguely like, oh,

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Speaker 1: the Democrats aren't uh necessarily doing um enough or offering

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Speaker 1: enough to people during this pandemic. But that doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: that Donald fucking Trump is going to UM. It might

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Speaker 1: mean that he will say that he will UM. And

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Speaker 1: I've talked about this for like a year and now

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Speaker 1: And I've talked about like for a long time, how

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Speaker 1: that's the whole deal. Where basically both you and Robert

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Speaker 1: of the pod? Now? I don't know, Katie Stiff foe, Katie, Katie, foe, Katie.

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Speaker 1: You know, when we talk about the crimes of capitalism,

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Speaker 1: one of them should be listed the fact that I

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Speaker 1: I did just get paid to make that joke. Can

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Speaker 1: not that's fair. Um. So Trump, amidst all of these

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Speaker 1: pretty much not really. One of them was about unemployment benefits.

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Speaker 1: forty four billion dollars, Well, that's not much money. It's

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Speaker 1: not much money. That's just think that's just forty four

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Speaker 1: but that's a fair point. Yeah. It's called perspective, and

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Speaker 1: I've lost mine, so I thank you for that. He's

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Speaker 1: basically basically taking money from yachts, because if if an

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Speaker 1: forty four billion dollars from the disaster Relief Fund halfway

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Speaker 1: what would be the problem with hurricanes, Cody, Is there

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Speaker 1: wouldn't say it was destroyed. I mean, she can replace

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Speaker 1: a hurricane, but it was. I mean, the vomit was

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Speaker 1: made of hurricanes. That's what that song is about, right,

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Speaker 1: a fucking clown piece of garbage. Um, he's such a

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Speaker 1: weird online freak. It's so bizarre. Soy lattes? Is it? Ted?

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Speaker 1: Are you like on the Daily Wires Reddit? Like? What

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Speaker 1: are you doing? It's I I'm I'm malfunctioning. I am sorry.

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Speaker 1: I'll just remind you that you are talking about the

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Speaker 1: executive orders. I was just trying to help. It's okay.

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Speaker 1: I know. I was going to say, really, I'm becoming

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Speaker 1: a photy for showdy God. Yeah, Katie's it's not great, Sophie.

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Speaker 1: I'm right there with you, but I started it, so

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Speaker 1: I have to confess. I don't know. I think they're

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Speaker 1: gonna love it. Um, Um, yeah, he's also deferring student

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Speaker 1: loan uh payments. Um cool but not really. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: like have you run out of steam? End of the

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Speaker 1: end of story. End of story. I just uh, he

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00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: sucks so bad, and like that sucks. Um, like everyone's

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Speaker 1: such a liar. It's so frustrating and it is. It

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00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: is also frustrating, especially since this this whole time, he's

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Speaker 1: done such a fucking bad, bad, abysmal job of handling everything.

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Speaker 1: But specifically we're talking about a coronavirus relief package and

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Speaker 1: about the coronavirus. You know, the US now has over

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Speaker 1: five million cases and a hundred sixty three thousand people dead.

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Speaker 1: That's the official number as of today, but that is

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Speaker 1: not the actual number. I just always have to say

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Speaker 1: that caveat whenever I give number updates. Um. I wanted

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Speaker 1: to just give some some school reopening updates because uh,

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Speaker 1: that is a very big thing right now on everybody's

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Speaker 1: mind with COVID and everybody, everybody but Betsy Divas, everybody

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Speaker 1: that Betsy Divace. Yes, absolutely, I have heard. It's already started, guys.

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Speaker 1: The reopenings have started after a single week of school,

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Speaker 1: more than two hundred and fifty students and teachers from

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Speaker 1: one Georgia school district learned a lot and are grateful

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Speaker 1: for the education. Yeah uh, no, wrong, maybe they learned something,

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Speaker 1: but they've been asked to quarantine for two weeks after

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Speaker 1: several teachers and students tested positive or COVID nineteen again

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Speaker 1: one school district after one week back. Um. This is

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Speaker 1: from USA Today and a letter to families on Friday,

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Speaker 1: Superintendent Brian high Tower said that the trend of students

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Speaker 1: and staff testing positive every day will continue as we

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Speaker 1: operate schools during a pandemic. We know under a microscope

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Speaker 1: as naturally as national media follows the reopening of schools

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Speaker 1: across the country, he wrote, but know that our destity

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Speaker 1: are not based on what people in New York or

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Speaker 1: Kansas think, nor are we concerned about optics or image.

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Speaker 1: We're focused on doing what's best for our community. New

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Speaker 1: York like that. I know, apparently it is. What's best

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Speaker 1: for the community is letting your kids get sick and

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Speaker 1: maybe die and bringing the virus home to your families

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Speaker 1: who also might get sick and I um cool. But um,

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Speaker 1: Trump and his administration are continuing to push the narrative

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Speaker 1: that kids are suffering suffering from being isolated at home. Uh,

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Speaker 1: instead of you know, people suffering because of coronavirus. And

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Speaker 1: you know, that makes perfect sense to me because you know,

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Speaker 1: Trump has always been really compassionate about the psychological effects

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Speaker 1: of kids being locked up. You know. Oh yeah, he

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Speaker 1: cares about. It's a joke because it's what they say

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Speaker 1: about Trump and his presidency. The compassion is the point.

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Speaker 1: The compassion and is the point. Um. He also recently

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Speaker 1: claimed on Fox News that kids are virtually immune to

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Speaker 1: COVID nineteen. Uh. Yeah, I'm gonna give you guys this

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Speaker 1: disturbing fact. According to a report from the American Academy

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Speaker 1: of Pediatrics, over ninety seven thousand children tested positive for

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Speaker 1: coronavirus in the United States just between July six and

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Speaker 1: jud And while yes, it is less likely for kids

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Speaker 1: to die from the virus, uh, it's not impossible. In

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Speaker 1: a new study from the CDC suggests that one third

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Speaker 1: of children who are hospitalized with COVID nineteen end up

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Speaker 1: in intensive care. And look, at the beginning of this,

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Speaker 1: we'd all hoped or thought that for some reason, the

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Speaker 1: virus wouldn't affect kids. There was a lot of misinformation

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Speaker 1: there still is. We're still learning stuff. And yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: risk is for people over the age of sixty. UM,

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Speaker 1: But it doesn't canon does affect children. Um. And they

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Speaker 1: are apparently likely to be high spreaders because the symptoms

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Speaker 1: may not show up in them. Um. But you would

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Speaker 1: still bring the virus home to potentially vulnerable members of

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Speaker 1: your family in the community. UM. And you mentioned kids

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Speaker 1: don't live with adults though, so like, what's the like,

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Speaker 1: what's the problem? Put them in out, you put a minute,

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Speaker 1: you put them all together in a big rule and

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Speaker 1: then they stay there. They don't go anywhere afterwards. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I will just say that if people had taken the

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Speaker 1: advice I've been giving for years, which is that we

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Speaker 1: wall off all of the states in the middle of

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Speaker 1: the country outside of the coast, force the adults out,

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Speaker 1: and make them a giant, open air child prison for

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Speaker 1: all of the miners in the country. If we've done that,

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Speaker 1: this whole coronavirus thing would no longer be a problem. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think elements of any United States government needs to

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Speaker 1: watch a little movie called House Arrest. Um. Betsy Devaz,

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Speaker 1: like you mentioned earlier, Sophie waived all of this away

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Speaker 1: by basically saying that there's risk involved with everything. Uh. Quote,

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Speaker 1: risk is embedded in everything we do, learning to ride

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Speaker 1: a bike to the risk of getting in a space

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Speaker 1: capsule and getting shot shot off in a rocket into space.

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Speaker 1: What what what the fund does that have to do

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Speaker 1: with teachers and schools and principles and children and families

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Speaker 1: and corona. Well, Sophie, because if a kid falls off

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Speaker 1: a bike, If a kid falls off a bike, it's

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Speaker 1: just as likely to kill grandma, you know, Jesus see yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: You're so sorry, Katie. I've made a compelling point. Mon. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you know it sucks. Officials have been pushing the

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Speaker 1: administration to, you know, get serious, to start warning parents

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Speaker 1: in school districts about you know, the risk of reopening

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Speaker 1: schools right now. Um, but I guess they don't want

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Speaker 1: to do that. Administration has said that they should instead

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Speaker 1: focus on bolstering the president's response plan, uh, which he

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Speaker 1: doesn't have one of anyway. This is all fun and good.

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Speaker 1: This is all fun and good. Uh. And before we

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Speaker 1: go to another ad break, UH just wanna follow up

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Speaker 1: with um the United States Postal Service stuff. We talked

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Speaker 1: about it a little bit last week. Uh, but Shockingly,

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00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: the situation has gotten worse in between. Um. Now, not

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Speaker 1: only is the Post Office considering closing locations throughout the country,

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Speaker 1: but on Friday, Louis to Joy, new Postmaster General, republican

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Speaker 1: mega donor and businessman with investments in USPS competitors, announced

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Speaker 1: some big shakeups. This is from Fast Times. Changes were

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Speaker 1: announced Friday by Postmaster General Lewis de Joy and radically

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Speaker 1: alter the leadership structure of the USPS. The reorganization will

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Speaker 1: see twenty three major executives at the Postal Service resign

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Speaker 1: or displaced, including, as a business insider points out, to

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Speaker 1: exects who oversee critical day to day operations. Um, he's

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Speaker 1: claiming that the yeah, go ahead, Oh no, no, look,

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Speaker 1: police continue. I was just gonna say that, you know.

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Speaker 1: He claims that this is going to allow the Postal

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Speaker 1: Service to reduce costs and capture new revenue. But critics

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Speaker 1: are are pointing out that the Postal Services a for

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Speaker 1: profit business. Um, you know, and and uh, the leadership

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Speaker 1: changes are very alarming for everybody right now, and it's

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Speaker 1: going to have it could have severe consequences, not just

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Speaker 1: in terms of vote by mail, but for people, for workers,

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00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: for seniors for voters, um, all of it. You know,

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00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: people get their med dication through the postal service. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So Katie, I'm I'm a physically healthy white man with

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Speaker 1: no outstanding medical issues, whose main use of post of

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00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: any kind is having FedEx sent me various quasi legal narcotics.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand why we need a postal service. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not willing to listen to any of your answers. UM.

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Speaker 1: And I'm just the podcast mail through the post to service.

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Speaker 1: Robert come back. Okay, Well he's strictly in the faux

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Speaker 1: camp now, yeah, it's ah. The attack on the post

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Speaker 1: office UM should be a story every day because it's

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00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: an attack on our democracy. UM. And it's an incredibly

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00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: valuable service. Even UM articles who think they're helping. We'll

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Speaker 1: run things like, well the post office didn't make a

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Speaker 1: profit this year or whatever. It's like, well it's not

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00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: supposed to, so shut the funk up, UM, please stop. Please,

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Speaker 1: we do have to go for an ad break, but

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Speaker 1: before we do, I just want to say, outside of

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Speaker 1: mailing in your mail in ballots immediately when you get them, uh,

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00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 1: maybe write letters and buy stamps and send people nice

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Speaker 1: notes that's something that we can do that might uh

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Speaker 1: not save the post office, but is a kind thing

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Speaker 1: to do and at least shows support. Also, they have

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Speaker 1: a gift shop with like weird toys and kids costumes

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Speaker 1: and a crop top that's kind of cute and sold

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00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: out really quickly. But you know, to take power into

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Speaker 1: your own hands. And on that note, listen to these

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Speaker 1: ads together everything we're back. I I just came back

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Speaker 1: because while I was leaving in rage that anybody would

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Speaker 1: use my precious tax dollars to ensure that old people

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Speaker 1: can get mail, I watched the Kevin Costner movie The Postman, uh,

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Speaker 1: and I've realized that I was wrong. Um and yeah,

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Speaker 1: the only two things that can save us from annihilation

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Speaker 1: are the US Postal Service and Kevin Costner. So I'm

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00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 1: back on board. That was going to make Kevin Costner president, Right,

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00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 1: that's the point everybody's arguing, that's where we all are. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. I don't know, Like it's it's

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Speaker 1: weird that you even bring it up. It like it

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Speaker 1: seems repetitive every day every day has Kevin Costner played

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Speaker 1: the president? Because I think he has probably he must

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Speaker 1: have who wouldn't vote. I'd vote for him playing the

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Speaker 1: president in a movie. Yeah, absolutely, I would vote for

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Speaker 1: him being the president and also the vice president. And

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Speaker 1: why not consolidate the job cuts. Let's do it. Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 1: and maybe like um Supreme Court to fuck it. Kevin

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Speaker 1: Costner is not Uh. I don't think he's played a president.

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Speaker 1: He's played a commander in the Jack Ryan series. And

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Speaker 1: he enjoyed that judge for president. I forgot about that ship.

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Speaker 1: Oh he did, huh that See, this is why the

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Speaker 1: Post Office needs to be defunded. Because Kevin cost Ner

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Speaker 1: endorsed Pete bo I'm back back against Yeah. Well it's

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Speaker 1: really been a whirlwind for me. Speaking of whirlwinds, the

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Speaker 1: elections coming up in November, and it's everyone agrees it's

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Speaker 1: going to be terrible. And by everyone, I mean all

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Speaker 1: of the people with fancy titles and um and fancy

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Speaker 1: jobs who work at places like the Atlantic uh and

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Speaker 1: places like the Defense Department, who are just now being like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, we could have a civil war in

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Speaker 1: this country. It could happen here. They're starting to say,

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Speaker 1: these these these geniuses, these brilliant thinkers who are are

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Speaker 1: on the beating pulse of America and realized as soon

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Speaker 1: as the problem hit, what what could happen here? Here? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it could happen here and the worst year ever. So

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Speaker 1: it's time to look behind the bastards and these these

617
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 1: these modern day Cassandras have formed a group called the

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Speaker 1: Transition Integrity Project, which is basically it was organized by

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Speaker 1: someone named Rosa Brooks, who is a Georgetown law professor

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Speaker 1: in a former Defense Department official. Um, she's one of

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Speaker 1: the people who like founded it, and they just did

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Speaker 1: basically a big role playing game with a bunch of

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Speaker 1: fancy people, um, including David Froome who was there, uh,

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Speaker 1: and wrote an article about it for The Atlantic, And

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Speaker 1: I will be quoting from This is the only time

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Speaker 1: I'm ever going to quote from a David Frum article

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Speaker 1: on this podcast and not be just insulting David Froome,

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Speaker 1: because Froome was actually at this thing. Um. But it

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Speaker 1: it made the news last week because um, it was like,

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Speaker 1: you know, the gist of this, as it was reported

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Speaker 1: on was that like a bunch of Republicans and Democrats

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Speaker 1: war gamed out what might happen in the election and

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be bad. Uh, Like we're not gonna know

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Speaker 1: what happens on election night, and almost all of the

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Speaker 1: outcomes are terrible in some way. Um, the only one

636
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Speaker 1: that has a reasonable chance of not being terrible out

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Speaker 1: the gate is like a massive and overwhelming Joe Biden victory,

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Speaker 1: right Like, if that, if that happens, most people agree, Okay,

639
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Speaker 1: Trump will probably like more or less, let things happen

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Speaker 1: the way they're supposed to. Um, but anything less than

641
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Speaker 1: an overwhelming Biden victory is going to be some sort

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Speaker 1: of fucking nightmare. And there's a decent chance that Joe

643
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Speaker 1: Biden overwhelming victory would be a night there too. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: that was the that was the that was the story

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Speaker 1: as it came out, And if you actually like read

646
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,439
Speaker 1: into any of these articles, they are there's a reason

647
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: I keep referencing my podcast. It could happen here because

648
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: they're all talking about the stuff that we talked about,

649
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Speaker 1: and it could happen here. UM. I do want to

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Speaker 1: know one thing for people like Cody who are are

651
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Speaker 1: the same kind of nerd I am. This was a

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Speaker 1: D ten based role playing system that they used, Like yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know they used a bunch of D It was

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Speaker 1: all D ten. Yeah, yeah, no, but they did like

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Speaker 1: to randomize as the results of certain actions that different

656
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Speaker 1: groups would take, and they had like basically like you

657
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Speaker 1: had people, you had people who had like done jobs

658
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Speaker 1: in the real world, kind of gaming out that same

659
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Speaker 1: job being done by someone else in this situation. So

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Speaker 1: you had, for example, they brought in like media TV

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Speaker 1: anchors and stuff or whatever, like people like like media

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Speaker 1: personalities to act as the media and like like respond

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Speaker 1: the way they think the media would. You know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: done jobs and dragons right, So yeah, exactly, God, that

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Speaker 1: is that is pretty good. So Rosa Brooks, who is

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Speaker 1: again one of the people who organize this group in

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Speaker 1: the first place, UM kind of summarized these things summarized

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Speaker 1: the results of this game by saying all of our

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Speaker 1: scenarios ended in both street level violence and political impast

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Speaker 1: The law is essentially it's almost helpless against the president

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Speaker 1: who's willing to ignore it. So that's good. Sounds awesome

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Speaker 1: that for it could happen. Hearing, thank god, I now

673
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Speaker 1: have my body weight in gas mask filters, which is

674
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Speaker 1: a normal thing for a person to have next to

675
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Speaker 1: his pile of AMMO that weighs as much as a

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Speaker 1: small car. Um. Things are good in America today herd degree,

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Speaker 1: thank you. Um, so, yeah, it's not not great. Niles Gillman,

678
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Speaker 1: who's a historian who leads research at a think tank

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Speaker 1: called the Burgruin Institute, which I'm sure is a shitty

680
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Speaker 1: think tank because they all are another tank because it's

681
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Speaker 1: the think tank. But he was one of the organizers

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Speaker 1: of the of the exercise, and he stated he doesn't

683
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Speaker 1: have to win the election, he just has to create

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Speaker 1: a plausible narrative that he didn't lose. Um, which is

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Speaker 1: I think, um, very true and relatively obvious. Yeah it is.

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Speaker 1: But it's like that's that's all you have to argue,

687
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Speaker 1: is you have to like make it be if they

688
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 1: if it's a question, um, like okay. So one of

689
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Speaker 1: the most basic rules of productive argument is that the

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Speaker 1: burden of proof is um on on the person trying

691
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Speaker 1: to claim that something is occurring, not like right, um.

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Speaker 1: And that's the opposite of how things work in politics

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Speaker 1: because at one of the points they make, yeah exactly

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Speaker 1: is that like Joe Biden, essentially Trump has the ability

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Speaker 1: to try to force Joe Biden to prove that the

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Speaker 1: election was legitimate. It's yeah, it's not gonna be great. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that makes it sound like we're doomed. You know,

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Speaker 1: we're not doomed, but the thing that will undoom us

699
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Speaker 1: looks a lot like I don't know what's happening in

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Speaker 1: Belarus right now, where tens of thousands of people are

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Speaker 1: throwing like Molotov cocktails by the thousand at secure. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: I'm just going to read a quote from a Boston

703
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Speaker 1: globe right up of this thing, um, and it's talking

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Speaker 1: about one of the founders of this this thing. Brooks

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Speaker 1: got the seed of the idea for the Transition Integrity

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Speaker 1: Project after a dinner where the where a federal judge

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Speaker 1: and a corporate lawyer each told her they were convinced

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Speaker 1: the military or the Secret Service would have to escort

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Speaker 1: Trump out of office if he lost the election. Would

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Speaker 1: not concede. Brooks wasn't so sure. She and Gilman decided

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Speaker 1: to turn the Washington parlor game into an actual exercise. So, UM,

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Speaker 1: that's that's interesting to me. Um Number one, that like

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Speaker 1: the class of people who are involved in a project

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Speaker 1: like this are so separated from reality that normally anything

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Speaker 1: they do is um an exercise in in pure fantasy.

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Speaker 1: And the fact that one of these people in in

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Speaker 1: this conversation that she's talking about, like this judge and

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Speaker 1: this lawyer are both um, I think kind of yielding

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Speaker 1: to fantasy that like the thing that you would expect

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Speaker 1: to happen based on the letter of the law will happen,

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Speaker 1: because that's the thing that matters anymore. Um. But there

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Speaker 1: were enough people within the kind of completely detached political

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Speaker 1: class who were like, no, actually, he might just take power.

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Speaker 1: Um that they actually took it seriously and like did

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Speaker 1: a thing about it. And I think that's you could

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Speaker 1: see it might be a good sign that, like things

727
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Speaker 1: have gotten bad enough that some members of our famously

728
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Speaker 1: disconnected political class are actually not wrong about the things

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Speaker 1: that they're saying for the first time in any of

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Speaker 1: our lifetimes. UM. I find it unsettling. I find it

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Speaker 1: deeply unsettling. Part of what my initial reaction to hear

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Speaker 1: just talking about this is like, yeah, you know, that's

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Speaker 1: good people acknowledging stuff. If people had covered this differently,

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Speaker 1: if people had talked about this differently years ago, maybe

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Speaker 1: the situation would be different. I don't know. Yeah, we

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Speaker 1: can't think about the past. Okay, No, that's my motto.

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Speaker 1: You've always said that the past. Yeah, yeah, never for

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Speaker 1: never talked about history on a podcast. Never, I would

739
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: never do that. So yeah, it's uh, it's it's not

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Speaker 1: super optimistic. And there's they have a whole report that

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Speaker 1: will have a link to that you can like read

742
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Speaker 1: if you want. Um. Yeah, there's a couple of bits

743
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Speaker 1: I want to go into, uh one of them. And

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Speaker 1: this is again from the Boston Globe article quote. Both

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Speaker 1: sides turned out massive street protests that Trump sought to control.

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Speaker 1: In one scenario, he invoked the Insurrection Act, which allows

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Speaker 1: the president to use military forces to quell unrest. The

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00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: scenario that began with a narrow Biden win, ended with

749
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Speaker 1: Trump refusing to leave the White House burning government documents

750
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Speaker 1: at having to be escorted out by the Secret Service.

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00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: The team playing Biden in that scenario meanwhile, sought to

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Speaker 1: patch things up with Republicans by appointing moderate republic governors,

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00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: including Charlie Baker of Massachusetts, to cabinet positions, which I

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00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: think is actually shows a real understanding of the Democratic

755
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Speaker 1: Party that like, while the President is being forcibly escorted

756
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Speaker 1: out of the White House by the Secret Service for

757
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: burning documents, he's putting Republicans in his cabinets. Yeah, that

758
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: is what would happen. Yes, just like calling Paul Ryan

759
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: and be like, hey, do you want to like you?

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Speaker 1: I'm making uh. I forgot the fucking Alaska lady who

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Speaker 1: was almost the vice president. Jesus, I forgot her name.

762
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Speaker 1: I was gonna make a joke about him making her

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Speaker 1: his vice president. I don't know nobody even like she's

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Speaker 1: like a moderate Republican. Now she's a she is something else.

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Speaker 1: I forgot she existed, yea dipping a little bit into

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Speaker 1: Q and on stuff these days. But yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: she probably now supports death camps. Yeah, so yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: broadly speaking, so quote. The scenario that produced the most

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Speaker 1: contentious dynamics, however, was one in which Trump won the

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Speaker 1: electoral College and thus the election, but Biden won the

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Speaker 1: popular vote by five percentage points. Biden's team retracted his election.

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Speaker 1: His election night concession, fueled by Democrats angry at losing

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Speaker 1: yet another election despite capturing the popular vote, has happened

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Speaker 1: in two thousand and two thousand and sixteen and the

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Speaker 1: mock election. Trump sought to divide Democrats at one point,

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Speaker 1: giving an interview to the intercept a left leaning news

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Speaker 1: outlets saying Bernie Sanders would have won if Democrats had

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Speaker 1: dominated him. Meanwhile, Biden's teams sought to encourage large Western

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Speaker 1: states to secede unless pro democracy reforms were made, which

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Speaker 1: number one, I can absolutely see Trump sitting down with

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Speaker 1: Glenn Greenwald, um, and Greenwald giving him a broadly positive

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Speaker 1: right up during a time like that. Um, it could happen,

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Speaker 1: Um could happen. Yeah, I would be yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: that already that stuff though, and like Trump already talked

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Speaker 1: about how Bernie would have won, right yeah. What I

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Speaker 1: can't imagine, and I I'm an imaginer, is Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: encouraging the West coast to secede. I have no idea

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Speaker 1: what they got that an I will I will firmly

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Speaker 1: admit that that is something I am predicting will not happen.

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Speaker 1: If it does, you can talk about my seeds. We're

791
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 1: not getting Biden as president, you know. Uh no, But

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Speaker 1: did Joe Biden? I think we would make the president

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Speaker 1: of the Oregon Republic. He he would be our leader

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Speaker 1: as we hid in the mountains and shot at Californians

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Speaker 1: trying to flee once the water runs out. Sorry, guys, drink,

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Speaker 1: you know, if you make it to the right checkpoint anyway.

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Speaker 1: So um yeah, Jesus Christ. Uh, it's not it's not

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Speaker 1: a great document to read. Um. And it's like the

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Speaker 1: most frustrating piece of media on this is David Froome's

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Speaker 1: column for The Atlantic, because again number one, since Froome

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Speaker 1: was there. If you want an idea of what it

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00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: was like to be a part of this thing, you

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00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 1: do kind of have to read it, um, even though

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Speaker 1: David Froom is history's greatest monster. Um. But also I'll

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Speaker 1: just I'll just start reading from it. Quote. The good

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Speaker 1: news is that Trump cannot postpone the election or the

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Speaker 1: next presidential inauguration. He has no means to do either

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Speaker 1: of those things. The dates are set by law or

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Speaker 1: in the text of the Constitution. Nor can Trump somehow

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Speaker 1: clean to power after inauguration day once the electoral vote

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Speaker 1: is certified against him. If the Electoral College certifies Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden the winner when its votes are counted in d

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Speaker 1: C on January six, then at noon on January twenty,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump seases to be president. The signature loses all

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Speaker 1: legal effect. The officer carrying the nuclear football walks away

816
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 1: the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff does not

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Speaker 1: take his call. The bottom line, there do exist outer

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Speaker 1: legal boundaries to the mischief that can be done by

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Speaker 1: even the most corrupt president. That is, if people honor

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Speaker 1: those boundaries. What the what? What? What? What world does

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Speaker 1: David Froom liv it like I see this every every

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Speaker 1: like month when Trump says something wild, Everyone's like, he

823
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Speaker 1: can't do that, it's against the law. What the fund

824
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Speaker 1: are you talking about? He has been breaking the law

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00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: every day for years. That's not an argument against the

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Speaker 1: president doing something, And it's not an argument against Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump doing something. God foolish he's breaking He breaks the

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Speaker 1: law in so often and so flagrantly, but it makes

829
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Speaker 1: me angry and I love breaking the law. Mentioned this

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Speaker 1: earlier in his executive order, stuff will you get sued? Yeah,

831
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Speaker 1: you get sued for everything he breaks the law. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he gets sued because he's a he's a crime guy.

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Speaker 1: He's the crime guy president. And it's like so weird,

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Speaker 1: Like they barely impeached him for like one of the

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Speaker 1: things he's done. And David Froom is like, actually, the

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Speaker 1: institutions will say, what get out of here? Remember um,

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Speaker 1: how we were like Oh, all this impeachment stuff is,

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00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: you know, taking over the election conversation and oh no,

839
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Speaker 1: we're distracting from the election because of impeachment. And now

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Speaker 1: we barely even remember that he was impeached. Yeah, do

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Speaker 1: you remember, Do you remember when David Froome worked for

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Speaker 1: a war criminal who's like publishing a book about his

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Speaker 1: paintings of immigrants now instead of being in prison, Like,

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Speaker 1: what are you talking about, David? What more for us?

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Speaker 1: Robert back to Froome's column, So, um Froom goes on to, like, uh,

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Speaker 1: note that kind of some of the different things that

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Speaker 1: he witnessed. Um. In the different games that like this

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Speaker 1: this group played out, the courts offered only slow, weak,

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Speaker 1: and unreliable remedies. Street protests were difficult to mobilize and

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Speaker 1: often proved counterproductive. Republican elected officials coward even in the

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Speaker 1: face of the most outrageous Trump acts. Democratic elected officials

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00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: lacked the tools and clout to make much difference. Many

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Speaker 1: of the games turned on who made the first bold

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Speaker 1: move time after time, That first mover was Trump. And

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Speaker 1: it goes on to talk about, like in the scenarios

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Speaker 1: in which Biden's team eventually won, UM Team Trump still

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Speaker 1: managed to like in his words, poisoned the political system.

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Speaker 1: And he goes on to list some of the things

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Speaker 1: that were done in the game that poison the political system.

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Speaker 1: And as I read this, I want you to think

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Speaker 1: about how many of these things have already been done. Quote.

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Speaker 1: It diverted public resources to Trump personally. It preemptively pardoned

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Speaker 1: Trump associates and family members, and tried to pardon Trump

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00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: himself from criminal charges in including money laundering and tax evasion.

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Speaker 1: It tried to boost long term economic damage so as

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Speaker 1: to prevent early economic recovery and boost Republican Republican chances

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Speaker 1: in the two elections. It destroyed, hit or privatized public records.

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Speaker 1: It tried to sabotage the census to favor Republican redistricting

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Speaker 1: after it refused to cooperate with the incoming administration during

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Speaker 1: the transition period in ways that aggravated both pandemic response

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Speaker 1: and economic recovery. It's sewed pervasive mistrust in the integrity

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Speaker 1: of US elections in ways that would polarize and embitter

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Speaker 1: US politics. Long after four years ago, we're already there

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Speaker 1: with with almost I guess like he hasn't poisoned the

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Speaker 1: transitions team of the president. Yet that has not happened yet,

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Speaker 1: because like the literal event that is referring to hasn't

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Speaker 1: happened yet. So yes, it's literally impossible to do that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's my favorite of the different possibilities they saw, um

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Speaker 1: was the Trump like losing the election and not like

880
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 1: failing to sort of contest it and moving permanently tomorrow

881
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Speaker 1: lago the day after the election and refusing to return

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Speaker 1: to the White House or do any work during the

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Speaker 1: lame duck period, which would be funny like that, that

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Speaker 1: would legitimately be pretty funny. Um. And also I could

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Speaker 1: totally see happening like him just trolling people for his

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00:56:55,480 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: last time in president and fucking around. Um, yeah, he's

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Speaker 1: lazy in an asshole like that, he is lazy in

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00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: an asshole. Sounds exactly right. Yeah, And doing something like

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Speaker 1: that some trolling thing will just play to his base

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Speaker 1: and whatever thing that he does next, starting a media empire.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that's what he wanted all along. Uh,

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Speaker 1: just play into his hand for that. One. One of

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Speaker 1: the things that I found kind of personally unsettling about

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Speaker 1: this whole thing, Um, was so there's the kind of

895
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Speaker 1: note that, like in a lot of the scenarios UM,

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Speaker 1: when people would war game out like Trump trying to

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Speaker 1: use the military to hold onto power, UM, the assumption

898
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Speaker 1: was that it would not work. But they make sort

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Speaker 1: of a note that is really unsettling, and they're right

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Speaker 1: up of this, and this is the actual Transition Accountability

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00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: project right up, which is that UM, basically, it's very

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00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: possible that people's expectations of how the military would, the

903
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 1: kind of positive expectations that the military would stand up

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Speaker 1: for our democracy, UM, are more or less entirely based

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00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 1: on the fact that very recently the military had kind

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00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: of stood up to Trump during a protest, and that

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00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: that isn't necessarily the most realistic thing to base your

908
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 1: expectations on, because the fact that they kind of stood

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00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: against him, um, during a very different sort of situation

910
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 1: that happened earlier, doesn't mean they wouldn't back him to

911
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 1: the hilt if something like this happened, UM. And we

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00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 1: shouldn't make that assumption that the military that we can

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Speaker 1: that we can rely on the military to stand up

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Speaker 1: for democracy in a situation like this. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that UM, I think that you know, uh, It also

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Speaker 1: depends out who in the military you're talking about too. Yeah, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: I should ask the navy seal who threw bombs at

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Speaker 1: a bunch of my friends the other night. Um, if

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Speaker 1: he would stand for President Trump and the that's a

920
00:58:56,640 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 1: thing that happened in Portland recently. Um, good stuff. It

921
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Speaker 1: sounds like fake news, Robert, it does. I actually was

922
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Speaker 1: worried it might be, but then thoroughly reported report came

923
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Speaker 1: out in the Oregon Public Broadcasting Anyway, he hasn't been

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Speaker 1: arrested yet, still out there, heavily armed Navy seal with

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Speaker 1: a history of domestic violence, who anyway fun stuffs up.

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Speaker 1: So the point of all this is that November is

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Speaker 1: going to be the best month ever. Oh yeah, I

928
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Speaker 1: think that. Um, well, that's the thing, like it's the

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Speaker 1: worst year ever. Uh, but like you, we get a

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Speaker 1: little treat in November of utter chaos, and yeah, just

931
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Speaker 1: to break up the chaos a bit, we'll get some

932
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Speaker 1: utter chaos. Yeah exactly. I think it's you know, who's

933
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Speaker 1: going to bring order to the chaos? Us Jordan balth

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Speaker 1: Is R. Peterson. God that he has survived both his

935
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Speaker 1: about of poisoning himself with an all meat diet and

936
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Speaker 1: his bout of going to dangerously unregulated Russian clinic and

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01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: his bout of catching COVID nineteen in Serbia. Um and

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Speaker 1: will be at Dent when democracy really needs him this

939
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Speaker 1: November exactly the machine. It's his moment. It's his moment.

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Speaker 1: I love you, Jordan Balthazar Peterson. What's the worst you ever?

941
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 1: We'll get through it together. You're making him sound like

942
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 1: a muppet, like that faked his death and became Jordan Peterson.

943
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Speaker 1: Is true. You guys are giving me a headache. I sorry,

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Speaker 1: I have a horrible headache. Horrible headache. I think that's

945
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Speaker 1: just called I think it's called covering protests. Every single

946
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Speaker 1: give more rubber. No, I don't, I mean, I mean,

947
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Speaker 1: thank God, but also broadly, there's always more to say. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think we've said it all for today. Yep. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: despite all of this, I've had fun seeing you guys today. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Always enjoy. Yeah, And if you want to see more

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01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 1: of us, you're gonna follow us on Twitter, on Instagram

952
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 1: at worst your pod, and you can follow Cody at

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Speaker 1: dr Mr Cody, and Katie at Katie Stole and Robert

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Speaker 1: at I Right. Okay, m well done, Sophie. And if

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Speaker 1: you're gonna prepare for November, there's a variety of useful

956
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 1: skills you could invest in, uh learning gonna make shields,

957
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 1: learning how to will to sling, um, volunteering for vote

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Speaker 1: counting maybe but probably not. But I actually on joke,

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Speaker 1: I mentioned this on even More News. There is a

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Speaker 1: real lack of poll workers, uh severe lack of poll

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Speaker 1: workers being able to step up because most poll workers

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Speaker 1: are over the age of sixty. Um, So if you

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Speaker 1: are healthy and uh feel reasonable risking it, that might

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Speaker 1: be something that we can do to step up during

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Speaker 1: this time. Not telling you what to do. I don't

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Speaker 1: know my own comfort level, but it is definitely a

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Speaker 1: need and um, someone's got to do it. And that

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Speaker 1: seems like a great place too, and the show it

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Speaker 1: is a great place to end the show by everything Everything,

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Speaker 1: It's again I tried. Worst Year Ever is a production

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Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio. For more podcasts from my heart Radio,

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