1 00:00:15,356 --> 00:00:27,316 Speaker 1: Pushkin. Hi, Emily, and I am I have a question 2 00:00:27,356 --> 00:00:30,556 Speaker 1: for you. I'm sleeping with a guy right now and 3 00:00:30,916 --> 00:00:35,996 Speaker 1: his penis is like really really really curved, like really curved. 4 00:00:38,636 --> 00:00:40,756 Speaker 1: The idea of talking about genitals for an hour and 5 00:00:40,836 --> 00:00:43,916 Speaker 1: it really really makes me happy, Like I was thinking 6 00:00:44,156 --> 00:00:46,076 Speaker 1: in the car, like of all the things I want 7 00:00:46,076 --> 00:00:55,556 Speaker 1: to say about penises. I'm Emily Nagaski and this is 8 00:00:55,596 --> 00:00:58,596 Speaker 1: the Come as you Are podcast where I answer questions 9 00:00:58,596 --> 00:01:02,436 Speaker 1: about sex with science. I'm here with mo My, a 10 00:01:02,596 --> 00:01:07,196 Speaker 1: producer extraordinaire. So Emily, we have gotten a lot of 11 00:01:07,236 --> 00:01:10,796 Speaker 1: questions from the hotline, as you know, and today the 12 00:01:10,876 --> 00:01:16,676 Speaker 1: question I'm bringing you is about basically penis anatomy. Yay, 13 00:01:17,196 --> 00:01:21,876 Speaker 1: let's talk about penises. I really did not expect one 14 00:01:21,876 --> 00:01:24,116 Speaker 1: of our first episodes to be about penises. I know 15 00:01:24,516 --> 00:01:27,636 Speaker 1: a lot of your audience is sis women, and I 16 00:01:27,716 --> 00:01:30,836 Speaker 1: really did not expect a huge amount of penis convo 17 00:01:31,076 --> 00:01:32,956 Speaker 1: from the get go. But you know what, here we are. 18 00:01:33,436 --> 00:01:36,436 Speaker 1: You know, a surprising number of women and fems have 19 00:01:36,556 --> 00:01:39,516 Speaker 1: sex with people with penises. I always forget that. I 20 00:01:39,996 --> 00:01:44,596 Speaker 1: always forget a lot of people interact with penises. It's 21 00:01:44,636 --> 00:01:47,236 Speaker 1: a lot of people I'm continuing to remind myself that 22 00:01:47,636 --> 00:01:50,196 Speaker 1: a lot of people have or interact with penises. In fact, 23 00:01:50,316 --> 00:01:53,956 Speaker 1: most people have or interact with penises, and it's not 24 00:01:54,036 --> 00:01:57,716 Speaker 1: even about gender. Some women have penises, genitals do not 25 00:01:57,876 --> 00:02:01,516 Speaker 1: a gender make this is a show where penises are welcome. 26 00:02:03,156 --> 00:02:07,436 Speaker 1: Thank you Emily for saying that. Okay, let's go ahead 27 00:02:07,476 --> 00:02:11,796 Speaker 1: and get into it. So let me play this week's 28 00:02:11,876 --> 00:02:15,116 Speaker 1: question for you. Hi, Emily, I have a question for 29 00:02:15,196 --> 00:02:20,596 Speaker 1: you about the male anatomy, specifically the penis. I'm sleeping 30 00:02:20,596 --> 00:02:23,956 Speaker 1: with a guy right now and his penis is like 31 00:02:24,796 --> 00:02:29,436 Speaker 1: really really really curved, like really curved, and I don't care. 32 00:02:29,556 --> 00:02:33,716 Speaker 1: I mean, he's it gets the job done. He's just 33 00:02:33,756 --> 00:02:37,556 Speaker 1: really embarrassed about it, and like, yeah, I just want 34 00:02:37,596 --> 00:02:40,716 Speaker 1: to know it's that normal. Is there a reason for it? 35 00:02:40,796 --> 00:02:42,836 Speaker 1: Is it because he's like jerking it too hard to 36 00:02:42,876 --> 00:02:46,396 Speaker 1: one side or like, I don't know, it's normal? Can 37 00:02:46,436 --> 00:02:52,996 Speaker 1: I hurt it? Can I break it? Oh? You know? Thanks? Yes, 38 00:02:53,116 --> 00:02:55,556 Speaker 1: it is completely normal. It is common. And if there's 39 00:02:55,636 --> 00:02:57,876 Speaker 1: one thing I want to accomplish with this podcast, it's 40 00:02:57,916 --> 00:03:00,876 Speaker 1: to make sure you can look at your genitals and 41 00:03:00,956 --> 00:03:04,956 Speaker 1: any of your partner's genitals and know that they're all normal. 42 00:03:05,436 --> 00:03:09,356 Speaker 1: They're all normal, they're all beautiful, and I can even 43 00:03:09,396 --> 00:03:13,556 Speaker 1: explain why because the science says so. I just want 44 00:03:13,556 --> 00:03:16,316 Speaker 1: to start by thanking this listener for calling in. There 45 00:03:16,396 --> 00:03:19,036 Speaker 1: is so much to unpack in this call. You know, 46 00:03:19,236 --> 00:03:22,716 Speaker 1: I'm hearing worry, I'm hearing like cultural myths about masturbation, 47 00:03:23,036 --> 00:03:26,116 Speaker 1: wanting to reassure your partner, and also just myths about 48 00:03:26,156 --> 00:03:30,356 Speaker 1: basic anatomy. So let's start with what you just said, 49 00:03:30,396 --> 00:03:34,316 Speaker 1: that a curved penis is totally normal. Can you say 50 00:03:34,316 --> 00:03:36,716 Speaker 1: more about that? I did actually look at the research 51 00:03:36,756 --> 00:03:39,916 Speaker 1: to see if there's like documentation about what proportion of 52 00:03:39,956 --> 00:03:42,636 Speaker 1: people have a penis that points in one direction or 53 00:03:42,676 --> 00:03:45,796 Speaker 1: another that doesn't exist. I'm not actually sure how they 54 00:03:45,836 --> 00:03:47,676 Speaker 1: do it, because how much of a curve counts is 55 00:03:47,676 --> 00:03:49,716 Speaker 1: a curve because some of the curves are just a 56 00:03:49,756 --> 00:03:54,116 Speaker 1: little bit, and some of them are pretty pronounced. But ultimately, 57 00:03:54,156 --> 00:03:58,116 Speaker 1: every single penis is different from every single other penis, 58 00:03:58,516 --> 00:04:03,316 Speaker 1: and there is no normal. They're all normal. The only 59 00:04:04,156 --> 00:04:07,116 Speaker 1: thing that isn't normal is if your genitals are causing 60 00:04:07,156 --> 00:04:09,396 Speaker 1: you pain. If you're not in pain, then the answer 61 00:04:09,436 --> 00:04:12,156 Speaker 1: is yes normal. And if you're experiencing pain, talk to 62 00:04:12,156 --> 00:04:15,716 Speaker 1: a medical provider. Fortunately, with a penis, your doctor is 63 00:04:15,756 --> 00:04:21,996 Speaker 1: likely to take your concerns seriously. So dark and so true. 64 00:04:22,716 --> 00:04:26,876 Speaker 1: Can you explain, like anatomically what causes the curve? It's 65 00:04:26,876 --> 00:04:30,996 Speaker 1: actually the curve part itself is really simple. So most 66 00:04:30,996 --> 00:04:32,716 Speaker 1: of the time when we think about penises, we just 67 00:04:32,756 --> 00:04:35,076 Speaker 1: think about this one shaft with a sort of cap 68 00:04:35,556 --> 00:04:37,556 Speaker 1: on the end of it, right, like a mushroom kind 69 00:04:37,556 --> 00:04:41,796 Speaker 1: of shape. But did you know the shaft is actually 70 00:04:41,836 --> 00:04:46,796 Speaker 1: made of three separate chambers, all enclosed within the shaft. 71 00:04:47,676 --> 00:04:52,796 Speaker 1: So there's two corpora cavernosa, the cavernous bodies, and then 72 00:04:52,836 --> 00:04:56,116 Speaker 1: there's one corpus spongiosum, which is the one that the 73 00:04:56,196 --> 00:04:59,596 Speaker 1: urethra runs through. So when you imagine a shaft, don't 74 00:04:59,596 --> 00:05:05,716 Speaker 1: just imagine one solid shaft. Imagine three shafts all wrapped 75 00:05:05,796 --> 00:05:11,116 Speaker 1: up together. I like to imagine it as like columns. Great, 76 00:05:11,236 --> 00:05:14,076 Speaker 1: so we have like a burrito made out of these 77 00:05:14,116 --> 00:05:17,316 Speaker 1: three columns, right, but it's just a burrito with three 78 00:05:17,316 --> 00:05:21,796 Speaker 1: hot dogs in it. The three hot dog coco. I 79 00:05:21,876 --> 00:05:26,356 Speaker 1: love that if one is shorter than the other, it's 80 00:05:26,356 --> 00:05:29,796 Speaker 1: going to curve toward the short one. And if all 81 00:05:29,916 --> 00:05:33,316 Speaker 1: three of these chambers of the shaft are the same length, 82 00:05:33,956 --> 00:05:37,716 Speaker 1: then the penis is straight. You can't see the hand 83 00:05:37,716 --> 00:05:41,476 Speaker 1: gestures I am made, right, So you're saying that if 84 00:05:41,596 --> 00:05:45,276 Speaker 1: one of the hot dogs in the whole wrap up 85 00:05:45,276 --> 00:05:48,316 Speaker 1: in here, the penis is shorter than the other one, 86 00:05:48,756 --> 00:05:52,516 Speaker 1: then the curve is going to bend towards the short 87 00:05:52,916 --> 00:05:55,876 Speaker 1: bend in the direction of the shorter one, right, because 88 00:05:55,876 --> 00:05:59,876 Speaker 1: they all grow together, and the longer ones will continue 89 00:05:59,916 --> 00:06:03,396 Speaker 1: to grow beyond the point that the shorter one has 90 00:06:03,476 --> 00:06:08,516 Speaker 1: fully extended already. WHOA Like, It's this very simple, very slight, 91 00:06:08,596 --> 00:06:12,316 Speaker 1: anatom comical difference. It's completely normal. It's just a way 92 00:06:12,716 --> 00:06:15,956 Speaker 1: people's penises can look. M Okay, Is it kind of 93 00:06:15,996 --> 00:06:18,036 Speaker 1: like when you have a lopsided labia, like one of 94 00:06:18,036 --> 00:06:21,516 Speaker 1: the labia minora is bigger than the other one, Yeah, 95 00:06:21,516 --> 00:06:24,836 Speaker 1: which is very often the case. Right, totally. And I 96 00:06:24,836 --> 00:06:27,996 Speaker 1: should say, if this is not clear already, that I 97 00:06:28,036 --> 00:06:32,516 Speaker 1: am not a sex educator. Emilie Nagaski is the professional 98 00:06:32,516 --> 00:06:36,116 Speaker 1: sex educator, and I am just a lesbian podcast producer. 99 00:06:36,756 --> 00:06:40,036 Speaker 1: So my reactions are very much based on my non 100 00:06:40,116 --> 00:06:46,676 Speaker 1: scientific but prolific personal experiences that labia labia's they're very 101 00:06:46,756 --> 00:06:51,076 Speaker 1: rarely symmetrical. They are very rarely symmetrical. And labia is 102 00:06:51,236 --> 00:06:55,556 Speaker 1: the plural. Wait, labia is plural. One of my labia 103 00:06:55,836 --> 00:06:59,516 Speaker 1: is this size, but my other labium is this other size. 104 00:07:00,196 --> 00:07:04,476 Speaker 1: Uh huh, Okay, this is a little grammar lesson you 105 00:07:04,516 --> 00:07:08,636 Speaker 1: did not get in school. Yeah, And I think culturally 106 00:07:08,676 --> 00:07:11,316 Speaker 1: we spend a bunch of time trying to help people 107 00:07:11,316 --> 00:07:15,556 Speaker 1: with Volva's understand that their anatomy is normal. That's what 108 00:07:15,556 --> 00:07:19,276 Speaker 1: it's supposed to look like like. They have hair, they 109 00:07:19,316 --> 00:07:22,516 Speaker 1: have inner labia, they have outer labia. The size of 110 00:07:22,556 --> 00:07:26,396 Speaker 1: all those parts can vary, and there's no need to 111 00:07:26,396 --> 00:07:29,956 Speaker 1: get surgery to correct any of that. If your genitals 112 00:07:29,956 --> 00:07:33,756 Speaker 1: are not causing you pain, you're all set. You're not 113 00:07:33,876 --> 00:07:37,636 Speaker 1: just all set, you're perfect. And the same thing is 114 00:07:37,636 --> 00:07:41,236 Speaker 1: true about penises. If one of the chambers of your 115 00:07:41,716 --> 00:07:45,396 Speaker 1: penal shaft is shorter than the others, it's going to 116 00:07:45,516 --> 00:07:47,836 Speaker 1: point in at a direction. That is not an indication 117 00:07:47,876 --> 00:07:50,036 Speaker 1: of a problem. You don't need to get surgery corrected. 118 00:07:50,476 --> 00:07:55,836 Speaker 1: Is just part of the beautiful variety of human sexual anatomy. 119 00:07:56,636 --> 00:07:59,676 Speaker 1: I think one of the reasons that we people have 120 00:07:59,716 --> 00:08:02,476 Speaker 1: so much embarrassment about their shape or their size or 121 00:08:02,516 --> 00:08:07,156 Speaker 1: their lopsidedness. Might be that there's no zero We've never 122 00:08:07,196 --> 00:08:10,716 Speaker 1: seen any of that import at all. You know, there 123 00:08:10,716 --> 00:08:12,796 Speaker 1: are times when I feel like I was born at 124 00:08:12,876 --> 00:08:17,756 Speaker 1: just the right time. Like I saw a partner's penis 125 00:08:17,796 --> 00:08:22,276 Speaker 1: in real life before I ever saw a penis in porn, 126 00:08:22,716 --> 00:08:26,036 Speaker 1: so I didn't have this big hole like set of 127 00:08:26,556 --> 00:08:29,676 Speaker 1: ideas about what penises look like, reinforcing that, like if 128 00:08:29,676 --> 00:08:31,836 Speaker 1: there's only this one way that penises can look like. 129 00:08:32,276 --> 00:08:35,836 Speaker 1: And anybody younger than me I was in graduated from 130 00:08:35,876 --> 00:08:38,716 Speaker 1: high school in nineteen ninety five. I feel like anybody 131 00:08:38,756 --> 00:08:41,636 Speaker 1: younger than me was going to have access to porn, 132 00:08:42,556 --> 00:08:46,196 Speaker 1: maybe before they ever saw a partner's penis in real life. 133 00:08:47,676 --> 00:08:49,956 Speaker 1: I don't even remember which one came first for me. 134 00:08:50,676 --> 00:08:52,876 Speaker 1: I was that young, I guess, or I just I 135 00:08:52,916 --> 00:08:55,676 Speaker 1: have no idea which one came first, but probably born. Yeah, 136 00:08:55,756 --> 00:08:59,076 Speaker 1: porn is such bad sex education. Porn is what it is. 137 00:08:59,596 --> 00:09:02,556 Speaker 1: The metaphor I often use is that learning about sex 138 00:09:02,716 --> 00:09:06,356 Speaker 1: by watching porn is like learning about driving by watching NASCAR. 139 00:09:07,436 --> 00:09:10,396 Speaker 1: Those are trained professionals on a closed course with a 140 00:09:10,716 --> 00:09:14,076 Speaker 1: pit crew. That is not a representation of how sex 141 00:09:14,116 --> 00:09:17,796 Speaker 1: actually works in real life, and most mainstream porn is 142 00:09:17,996 --> 00:09:21,236 Speaker 1: really limited, like there's only one kind of car in Nascar, 143 00:09:22,156 --> 00:09:25,556 Speaker 1: Like there's only one right kind of body in porn. Right. 144 00:09:25,716 --> 00:09:29,036 Speaker 1: They very much value the long, thick, straight penis in 145 00:09:29,076 --> 00:09:31,956 Speaker 1: porn as if that's the only erotic kind of penis 146 00:09:31,956 --> 00:09:36,076 Speaker 1: there is. It is not right exactly. In real life. 147 00:09:36,156 --> 00:09:45,396 Speaker 1: There's diversity, there's variety, there is messiness. There are curious, surprising, funny, noisy, wet, 148 00:09:45,956 --> 00:09:49,276 Speaker 1: sticky things that happen, and that's fun and good. I 149 00:09:49,396 --> 00:09:53,356 Speaker 1: love it. Okay, So I have a personal experience with 150 00:09:53,396 --> 00:09:56,316 Speaker 1: a curved penis, which was that my high school boyfriend, 151 00:09:56,516 --> 00:09:59,556 Speaker 1: one of my high school boyfriends. It was the first 152 00:09:59,596 --> 00:10:01,756 Speaker 1: penis I had ever seen, and it was his first 153 00:10:01,796 --> 00:10:04,596 Speaker 1: time ever, like, you know, showing his penis to anyone 154 00:10:04,636 --> 00:10:09,716 Speaker 1: besides I guess the doctor. And it was extreme curved, 155 00:10:10,316 --> 00:10:12,716 Speaker 1: now I know, extremely curved. And he was like, is 156 00:10:12,716 --> 00:10:14,836 Speaker 1: this normal? And I was like, I don't know, bro, 157 00:10:15,156 --> 00:10:19,636 Speaker 1: I really don't know. And now imagine if your high 158 00:10:19,676 --> 00:10:22,676 Speaker 1: school sex ed class had shown the three chambers and 159 00:10:22,756 --> 00:10:25,316 Speaker 1: had explained very simply that if one of the chambers 160 00:10:25,396 --> 00:10:27,196 Speaker 1: is shorter than the others, then there's going to be 161 00:10:27,196 --> 00:10:29,836 Speaker 1: a curve and he knows it's normal. That's all it takes. 162 00:10:30,436 --> 00:10:33,196 Speaker 1: And it would have been life changing for him because 163 00:10:33,196 --> 00:10:36,956 Speaker 1: he was so ashamed. And he went to the doctor 164 00:10:36,996 --> 00:10:39,636 Speaker 1: and the doctor basically dismissed his feelings and was like, yeah, 165 00:10:39,636 --> 00:10:41,956 Speaker 1: it's normal whatever. And he was like, yeah, but is 166 00:10:41,996 --> 00:10:44,316 Speaker 1: no one ever gonna love me? Am I never gonna 167 00:10:44,356 --> 00:10:47,276 Speaker 1: be but I have good sex, Like am I do? 168 00:10:47,396 --> 00:10:50,996 Speaker 1: I have a defective penis. And he was so upset 169 00:10:51,036 --> 00:10:53,516 Speaker 1: about it, and I really couldn't comfort him because I 170 00:10:53,556 --> 00:10:58,316 Speaker 1: didn't know anything about penises. I didn't know what to say, Like, 171 00:10:58,396 --> 00:11:00,156 Speaker 1: it didn't look normal to me, but I didn't know, 172 00:11:00,236 --> 00:11:02,116 Speaker 1: like it didn't look normal compared to what I saw 173 00:11:02,676 --> 00:11:07,556 Speaker 1: in the medical diagram. Yeah. I also have a personal story. 174 00:11:07,676 --> 00:11:10,596 Speaker 1: In my twenties, many moons ago, I had a partner 175 00:11:10,996 --> 00:11:14,916 Speaker 1: with quite a curved penis. But I already knew this, 176 00:11:15,036 --> 00:11:20,116 Speaker 1: and I could explain to him, Oh why, And it 177 00:11:20,236 --> 00:11:23,116 Speaker 1: made so much of a difference in his own relationship 178 00:11:23,156 --> 00:11:26,316 Speaker 1: with his genitals. Oh my god, that is so great. 179 00:11:26,556 --> 00:11:29,956 Speaker 1: Holy moly, You're like the better, You're the better version 180 00:11:29,956 --> 00:11:32,436 Speaker 1: of my story. The adult sex educator version of the 181 00:11:32,636 --> 00:11:36,276 Speaker 1: nightmare that my poor high school boyfriend went through. Yeah, 182 00:11:36,316 --> 00:11:41,396 Speaker 1: ten years passed and I got two degrees worth of 183 00:11:41,516 --> 00:11:45,156 Speaker 1: education about sexuality, so I knew enough to explain, and like, 184 00:11:45,436 --> 00:11:50,036 Speaker 1: it's this small piece of knowledge that can totally change 185 00:11:50,036 --> 00:11:52,996 Speaker 1: how a person thinks about their own genitals and recognizing 186 00:11:53,396 --> 00:11:57,036 Speaker 1: not just that they are normal, but why they're normal, 187 00:11:59,036 --> 00:12:02,196 Speaker 1: how the shape of their genitals is just part of 188 00:12:02,236 --> 00:12:07,716 Speaker 1: the great panoply a variety that is the world of 189 00:12:07,796 --> 00:12:14,036 Speaker 1: human genitalia. Speaking of the great panoply of human genitalia. 190 00:12:14,316 --> 00:12:16,716 Speaker 1: That's our queue to take a break. And when we 191 00:12:16,756 --> 00:12:19,916 Speaker 1: get back, I want you, Emily, to basically give us 192 00:12:20,756 --> 00:12:23,556 Speaker 1: the updated anatomy one a one lesson the one that 193 00:12:23,596 --> 00:12:26,956 Speaker 1: we never got in high school. And particularly I want 194 00:12:26,996 --> 00:12:29,916 Speaker 1: you to talk about the same parts organized differently theory, 195 00:12:30,436 --> 00:12:33,116 Speaker 1: because it's one of those concepts that when I very 196 00:12:33,116 --> 00:12:35,676 Speaker 1: first heard it, it was like, holy shit, how did 197 00:12:35,676 --> 00:12:38,276 Speaker 1: I not know this? But it also felt like I 198 00:12:38,316 --> 00:12:43,316 Speaker 1: always knew it. I pitty the commercial that breaks up 199 00:12:43,356 --> 00:13:00,836 Speaker 1: a conversation about penal anatomy. All right, Emily, So we 200 00:13:00,916 --> 00:13:05,796 Speaker 1: started this episode by answering an anonymous listeners question about 201 00:13:05,836 --> 00:13:09,556 Speaker 1: someone they're sleeping with having a curved dick, and you 202 00:13:09,676 --> 00:13:13,676 Speaker 1: explained the three hot dog taco that is the basic 203 00:13:13,716 --> 00:13:17,116 Speaker 1: anatomy of the penis, and that it's super normal for 204 00:13:17,156 --> 00:13:19,756 Speaker 1: one of those three columns to be shorter than the 205 00:13:19,796 --> 00:13:22,196 Speaker 1: other two, and then if one is shorter, then the 206 00:13:22,236 --> 00:13:26,236 Speaker 1: penis curves towards that side, which amazing obvious, but somehow 207 00:13:26,276 --> 00:13:29,716 Speaker 1: I never knew that now. I put this question early 208 00:13:29,756 --> 00:13:35,236 Speaker 1: on in the series because basically, I am begging you 209 00:13:35,436 --> 00:13:40,716 Speaker 1: to re educate us about anatomy one oh one. So 210 00:13:40,836 --> 00:13:46,796 Speaker 1: can you start by explaining the same parts organized differently theory? Yeah. 211 00:13:46,876 --> 00:13:51,076 Speaker 1: So one of the things that's valuable about understanding where 212 00:13:51,316 --> 00:13:55,796 Speaker 1: curved penises come from is the idea that, oh, the 213 00:13:55,876 --> 00:13:58,116 Speaker 1: shaft of the penis is not just one thing, it's 214 00:13:58,156 --> 00:14:04,076 Speaker 1: these three chambers separately. And all human bodies are made 215 00:14:04,076 --> 00:14:07,436 Speaker 1: of the same parts, but in some cases those parts 216 00:14:07,436 --> 00:14:10,156 Speaker 1: are organized in different ways. Like on the day a 217 00:14:10,196 --> 00:14:13,396 Speaker 1: person is born, the adults around them look at their 218 00:14:13,436 --> 00:14:16,636 Speaker 1: body and based on the shape of their genitals decide 219 00:14:16,676 --> 00:14:19,396 Speaker 1: it's a boy or it's a girl generally, which is 220 00:14:19,636 --> 00:14:23,476 Speaker 1: you can get into the bullshit of that some other episode, 221 00:14:23,716 --> 00:14:28,236 Speaker 1: I'm sure that we will, But that package of stuff 222 00:14:28,276 --> 00:14:31,756 Speaker 1: that we identify as being one thing or the other 223 00:14:32,156 --> 00:14:35,956 Speaker 1: is actually all the same stuff, just organize in a 224 00:14:36,036 --> 00:14:40,116 Speaker 1: slightly different way. So the most obvious example for me 225 00:14:40,716 --> 00:14:45,156 Speaker 1: when a baby is born is the scrotum. So when 226 00:14:45,516 --> 00:14:49,356 Speaker 1: a human with a scrotum grows into adulthood, they've got 227 00:14:49,356 --> 00:14:54,116 Speaker 1: this stretchy skin on the outside of their body and 228 00:14:54,356 --> 00:14:56,596 Speaker 1: hair grows on it whether they remove it or not. 229 00:14:56,836 --> 00:15:00,036 Speaker 1: Right and on a person with an it's a girl 230 00:15:00,236 --> 00:15:03,276 Speaker 1: type of body, when that person gets to adulthood, they've 231 00:15:03,276 --> 00:15:07,276 Speaker 1: got this external body part of stretchy skin where hair 232 00:15:07,396 --> 00:15:12,116 Speaker 1: grows on it. One is scrotum and one is the labia. 233 00:15:12,196 --> 00:15:16,276 Speaker 1: In fact, in utero, this tissue is called the labio 234 00:15:16,476 --> 00:15:20,956 Speaker 1: scrotal tissue because it comes from the same basic parts 235 00:15:20,996 --> 00:15:26,356 Speaker 1: in embryonic and fetal development. In fact, one of my 236 00:15:26,436 --> 00:15:29,396 Speaker 1: favorite things about scrotums. If you get up close and 237 00:15:29,436 --> 00:15:32,716 Speaker 1: personal with a scrotum, you look real close and you'll 238 00:15:32,756 --> 00:15:34,916 Speaker 1: see a seam running down the center of it. It's 239 00:15:34,956 --> 00:15:38,836 Speaker 1: called the scrotal raife, and that is where the scrotum 240 00:15:38,916 --> 00:15:42,036 Speaker 1: knit together. And if things have been a little different 241 00:15:42,076 --> 00:15:45,276 Speaker 1: with the chromosomes or the hormonal environments in the womb, 242 00:15:45,756 --> 00:15:49,676 Speaker 1: then that tissue would not have knit together and it 243 00:15:49,716 --> 00:15:53,396 Speaker 1: would have just become labia. Truly, all the same parts, 244 00:15:53,396 --> 00:15:56,156 Speaker 1: just organized in different ways. I just want to clarify, 245 00:15:56,276 --> 00:15:59,276 Speaker 1: like you're saying that the ball sac seam, the seam 246 00:15:59,316 --> 00:16:02,676 Speaker 1: that runs down the ball sac, yes, is the same 247 00:16:03,916 --> 00:16:10,396 Speaker 1: parts as the split of the labia, but just organized 248 00:16:10,436 --> 00:16:13,756 Speaker 1: like it just was developed differently based on different hormonal 249 00:16:14,116 --> 00:16:17,396 Speaker 1: inputs hormonal in the uterus, and it was when the 250 00:16:17,436 --> 00:16:22,956 Speaker 1: baby was a fetus. Wow, Okay, why I'm so mind 251 00:16:22,956 --> 00:16:25,316 Speaker 1: blown by this and I cannot believe I was like 252 00:16:25,716 --> 00:16:28,116 Speaker 1: twenty five before I ever knew that this was how 253 00:16:28,156 --> 00:16:30,956 Speaker 1: it worked, that those two things were the same bits, 254 00:16:30,996 --> 00:16:34,796 Speaker 1: just organized differently or developed differently because we think of 255 00:16:34,916 --> 00:16:38,196 Speaker 1: them as being so different. But once you understand that 256 00:16:38,236 --> 00:16:40,156 Speaker 1: it's all the same parts organized in different ways, you 257 00:16:40,156 --> 00:16:42,996 Speaker 1: can look at any package of genitals and see that 258 00:16:43,076 --> 00:16:46,156 Speaker 1: it's really just all the same thing, and that like 259 00:16:46,516 --> 00:16:51,236 Speaker 1: the group of genitals we label one way very so 260 00:16:51,316 --> 00:16:54,036 Speaker 1: much from each other, and the group of genitals we 261 00:16:54,116 --> 00:16:58,036 Speaker 1: label a different way vary so much from each other. 262 00:16:58,356 --> 00:17:02,036 Speaker 1: It is often when I think about and look at 263 00:17:02,236 --> 00:17:03,716 Speaker 1: I have to look at pictures of genitals on a 264 00:17:03,716 --> 00:17:06,996 Speaker 1: pretty regular basis of part of my job. Yeah, there 265 00:17:06,996 --> 00:17:08,956 Speaker 1: are times when I feel like there are more difference 266 00:17:09,236 --> 00:17:12,956 Speaker 1: is within the it's a gruel batch of genitals. Then 267 00:17:12,956 --> 00:17:16,196 Speaker 1: there are between it's a girl and it's a boy 268 00:17:16,236 --> 00:17:19,996 Speaker 1: type genitals, Like they all vary so much from each other. 269 00:17:20,276 --> 00:17:24,596 Speaker 1: Each one is unique, like a little snowflake, and yet 270 00:17:24,636 --> 00:17:27,196 Speaker 1: we like cluster them all together like they're all the same. 271 00:17:27,236 --> 00:17:29,956 Speaker 1: They're not the same, but they are. They're all the same. 272 00:17:29,996 --> 00:17:33,196 Speaker 1: It's all the same parts organized in different ways. Okay, 273 00:17:33,196 --> 00:17:34,756 Speaker 1: So are you about to tell me that the clitters 274 00:17:34,756 --> 00:17:39,476 Speaker 1: and the penis are the same parts organized differently, right? Okay, 275 00:17:39,596 --> 00:17:42,876 Speaker 1: the clitterest does not have the same functions as the penis, 276 00:17:42,876 --> 00:17:46,676 Speaker 1: except that they're both really good at pleasure. But it's 277 00:17:46,716 --> 00:17:48,956 Speaker 1: made of the same parts as the penis, which is 278 00:17:48,956 --> 00:17:51,436 Speaker 1: why it's really important that we know that there's all 279 00:17:51,476 --> 00:17:55,556 Speaker 1: these internal parts of a penis. Right, So there's these 280 00:17:55,596 --> 00:18:00,756 Speaker 1: three chambers, two corpora cavernosa, the cavernous bodies, and then 281 00:18:00,796 --> 00:18:04,916 Speaker 1: there's one corpus spongiosum. The same thing is true about 282 00:18:04,916 --> 00:18:09,796 Speaker 1: the clitteris. Oh my god, The really big difference, apart 283 00:18:09,876 --> 00:18:13,196 Speaker 1: from just like size of the clitterest, is that the 284 00:18:13,236 --> 00:18:16,196 Speaker 1: only part of the clitterest that is outside the body 285 00:18:16,916 --> 00:18:19,956 Speaker 1: is the equivalent of the head of the penis or 286 00:18:19,996 --> 00:18:23,836 Speaker 1: the glands. So if you imagine, and like if you again, 287 00:18:23,876 --> 00:18:26,516 Speaker 1: if you're up close and personal with an erect penis, 288 00:18:26,636 --> 00:18:29,676 Speaker 1: you can press down along the sides into the person's 289 00:18:29,716 --> 00:18:32,716 Speaker 1: body and feel how deeply the shaft goes into the 290 00:18:32,716 --> 00:18:35,676 Speaker 1: person's body. So if you just imagine that, the whole 291 00:18:35,756 --> 00:18:39,636 Speaker 1: shaft retracts back into that person's body so that only 292 00:18:39,676 --> 00:18:43,156 Speaker 1: the head is visible. Yeah, that's more or less what 293 00:18:43,156 --> 00:18:46,996 Speaker 1: a clitterest is, the clitteral glands, the external part. Does 294 00:18:46,996 --> 00:18:52,276 Speaker 1: that make sense? Wow? Yes, okay, it does make sense, 295 00:18:52,396 --> 00:18:55,836 Speaker 1: And I did not realize, Like I I've heard about 296 00:18:55,876 --> 00:18:59,316 Speaker 1: the internal clitterest and it has that sort of wishbone structure. 297 00:18:59,396 --> 00:19:03,676 Speaker 1: It has those two roots almost that go into the 298 00:19:03,756 --> 00:19:06,596 Speaker 1: body wrap around the vagina, like I've seen that the 299 00:19:06,756 --> 00:19:10,636 Speaker 1: legs and bulbs of the vestib Yeah. Yeah, so I've 300 00:19:10,676 --> 00:19:13,276 Speaker 1: seen that image before, and I think there was a 301 00:19:13,316 --> 00:19:15,436 Speaker 1: movement a few years ago, you know, to really educate 302 00:19:15,476 --> 00:19:18,756 Speaker 1: people that, hey, the clitteris is an entire internal structure 303 00:19:19,476 --> 00:19:24,356 Speaker 1: that is much bigger than just the thing we see outside. Yeah, imagine, 304 00:19:24,636 --> 00:19:28,516 Speaker 1: like the change that happens between a non erect penis 305 00:19:28,556 --> 00:19:31,796 Speaker 1: and an erect penis, how much change happens in sort 306 00:19:31,796 --> 00:19:34,556 Speaker 1: of the shape and size and presence of a penis. 307 00:19:34,956 --> 00:19:39,716 Speaker 1: All that same change is happening inside evolva. So when 308 00:19:39,756 --> 00:19:42,796 Speaker 1: you look at that wishbone shape, the two bulbs of 309 00:19:42,796 --> 00:19:45,556 Speaker 1: the vestibule that make the sort of wishbone shape, those 310 00:19:45,596 --> 00:19:50,356 Speaker 1: are the corpora cavernosa, those cavernous bodies that are the 311 00:19:50,516 --> 00:19:53,836 Speaker 1: same parts as in the shaft of the penis, aka 312 00:19:53,916 --> 00:19:57,316 Speaker 1: the hot dog, just internalment. The hot dogs make the 313 00:19:57,316 --> 00:20:02,956 Speaker 1: little cars making the inside of the penis. Got it. Sorry, 314 00:20:02,996 --> 00:20:05,916 Speaker 1: I'm literally functioning on like a fifth grade level on 315 00:20:05,996 --> 00:20:12,156 Speaker 1: the understanding of this. I thought it was one, you know, big, 316 00:20:12,796 --> 00:20:15,356 Speaker 1: one big flesh knob. Yeah, basically I didn't realize that 317 00:20:15,396 --> 00:20:20,356 Speaker 1: there were multiple columns and that those translated directly to 318 00:20:20,796 --> 00:20:24,356 Speaker 1: the legs of the internal clitterus. So I want to 319 00:20:24,356 --> 00:20:30,636 Speaker 1: talk to you about something. The technical term is anatomical homologues. 320 00:20:31,276 --> 00:20:35,436 Speaker 1: So we know what anatomy is, right. Homologue means having 321 00:20:35,476 --> 00:20:40,836 Speaker 1: the same origin. The origin of the human body is 322 00:20:40,836 --> 00:20:46,756 Speaker 1: the development in the beautterus sper meats egg. We know 323 00:20:46,836 --> 00:20:54,276 Speaker 1: if that happens, and then development begins blasticist an embryo, yeah, 324 00:20:54,276 --> 00:20:58,556 Speaker 1: eventually a fetus, and there is this really complex cascade 325 00:20:59,116 --> 00:21:05,956 Speaker 1: of hormonal and developmental events. But in that embryonic blast 326 00:21:05,996 --> 00:21:12,756 Speaker 1: assist early fetal development stage, bodies look exactly alike. It 327 00:21:12,836 --> 00:21:16,676 Speaker 1: isn't until six and a half weeks into gestation, when 328 00:21:16,676 --> 00:21:20,716 Speaker 1: there is a wave of hormones that anything is different. 329 00:21:21,196 --> 00:21:24,676 Speaker 1: All the prefab hardware of what a human body is 330 00:21:24,716 --> 00:21:29,476 Speaker 1: made of is there, regardless of the chromosomes. We know 331 00:21:29,596 --> 00:21:33,236 Speaker 1: that like traditionally we call xx is and it's a 332 00:21:33,276 --> 00:21:36,476 Speaker 1: girl type person an XY, it's a boy type person, right, 333 00:21:36,996 --> 00:21:39,956 Speaker 1: But up until six and a half weeks, it's identical. 334 00:21:40,236 --> 00:21:43,596 Speaker 1: It's all the same parts. It's only after that wash 335 00:21:43,636 --> 00:21:46,876 Speaker 1: of hormones that anything begins to change. So all that 336 00:21:46,996 --> 00:21:53,556 Speaker 1: same prefabricated hardware begins to organize itself into slightly different shapes. 337 00:21:54,516 --> 00:21:58,516 Speaker 1: But then the clitteress and the penis do do you 338 00:21:58,636 --> 00:22:01,876 Speaker 1: know the external part of the clitteress, the part that 339 00:22:02,036 --> 00:22:05,076 Speaker 1: is visible that you can touch with your hand, is 340 00:22:05,116 --> 00:22:09,956 Speaker 1: the homologue of the head of the penis. So imagine 341 00:22:10,356 --> 00:22:14,756 Speaker 1: that a penis gets sort of retracted into a person's body, 342 00:22:14,796 --> 00:22:18,636 Speaker 1: and all that's visible is the head, right, you can 343 00:22:18,676 --> 00:22:22,916 Speaker 1: imagine that. It's a little silly, but all that internal structure, 344 00:22:23,036 --> 00:22:26,396 Speaker 1: all three of those chambers are still there. They're just 345 00:22:26,556 --> 00:22:31,196 Speaker 1: deep inside the body. Oh my god, I wish you 346 00:22:31,196 --> 00:22:33,116 Speaker 1: could see my face right now. My hands are over 347 00:22:33,156 --> 00:22:36,236 Speaker 1: my mouth, like as if someone just exploded the world 348 00:22:36,276 --> 00:22:41,116 Speaker 1: for me. Like, basically, the penis is a very large 349 00:22:41,116 --> 00:22:44,476 Speaker 1: clitterings or vice versa, and it's outside the body, but 350 00:22:44,556 --> 00:22:47,436 Speaker 1: in a different world with different you know, hormonal inputs. 351 00:22:47,476 --> 00:22:50,956 Speaker 1: They are the same materials, that's what you're saying. Yeah, 352 00:22:50,996 --> 00:22:53,956 Speaker 1: I want you to imagine all the changes that happen 353 00:22:53,996 --> 00:22:57,356 Speaker 1: to a penis when it gets erect. Like, here's this 354 00:22:58,116 --> 00:23:00,596 Speaker 1: thing outside of a person's body. It starts out sort 355 00:23:00,636 --> 00:23:03,276 Speaker 1: of squishy. You can squeeze a really hard, you can 356 00:23:03,476 --> 00:23:06,516 Speaker 1: stretch in and pull it. As it fills with blood, 357 00:23:06,556 --> 00:23:12,436 Speaker 1: it gets firmer and it extends and swells. Now, imagine 358 00:23:12,676 --> 00:23:15,556 Speaker 1: if that shaft is all retracted deep into the body. 359 00:23:16,356 --> 00:23:22,076 Speaker 1: All that same swelling and firming up, All of that 360 00:23:22,236 --> 00:23:28,676 Speaker 1: is happening inside of a vulva, in the internal clitterus. Yes. Wait, 361 00:23:28,716 --> 00:23:32,476 Speaker 1: so if you're listening and you're confused, I would recommend 362 00:23:32,636 --> 00:23:38,876 Speaker 1: like just typing into Google the words clitteris and penis, 363 00:23:38,916 --> 00:23:44,436 Speaker 1: same clitteris and penis, same press and turbot on those 364 00:23:44,436 --> 00:23:48,476 Speaker 1: four words, and take a gander at the Google image results. 365 00:23:48,516 --> 00:23:53,356 Speaker 1: You get image results. Oh it's the dinosaur images. I 366 00:23:53,476 --> 00:23:55,596 Speaker 1: love these. I love these two. Why do you call 367 00:23:55,636 --> 00:23:58,756 Speaker 1: it the dinosaur images because it looks it's like how 368 00:23:58,796 --> 00:24:02,876 Speaker 1: a muppet would be a dinosaur. Oh, I'm glad you 369 00:24:02,956 --> 00:24:04,876 Speaker 1: like these diagrams. I mean, I think this is a 370 00:24:04,916 --> 00:24:08,836 Speaker 1: really helpful image. Yeah. It helps people to understand both 371 00:24:08,916 --> 00:24:11,396 Speaker 1: that there's way more to the clearest, but also there 372 00:24:11,516 --> 00:24:14,556 Speaker 1: is way more to the penis exactly. Yeah. Yeah, And 373 00:24:14,636 --> 00:24:18,116 Speaker 1: this science is used to help people who transition, who 374 00:24:18,396 --> 00:24:23,956 Speaker 1: either have hormonal or surgical interventions to change the shape 375 00:24:23,956 --> 00:24:26,556 Speaker 1: of their genitals to be more concordant with their identity. 376 00:24:28,356 --> 00:24:30,596 Speaker 1: It's so helpful that we know this, that we have 377 00:24:30,676 --> 00:24:34,316 Speaker 1: this science, because the science means that we have readier 378 00:24:34,356 --> 00:24:40,436 Speaker 1: access to tools to have gender affirming medical interventions so 379 00:24:40,556 --> 00:24:44,316 Speaker 1: the people's genitals can align with their identity. Yes, yes, yes, 380 00:24:46,916 --> 00:24:51,316 Speaker 1: I'm just absolutely gobsmacked by this information. Like, on one hand, 381 00:24:51,476 --> 00:24:57,036 Speaker 1: I it's weirdly empowering to me. But I'm also angry 382 00:24:57,196 --> 00:25:02,916 Speaker 1: that so many of us were taught the biological differences, 383 00:25:02,956 --> 00:25:07,076 Speaker 1: you know, diagrams of genitals, and we were not taught. Hey, 384 00:25:08,036 --> 00:25:11,716 Speaker 1: this is the same struck, sure, just organized differently. Yeah. 385 00:25:11,716 --> 00:25:14,076 Speaker 1: People get really attached to the idea that there are 386 00:25:14,116 --> 00:25:17,916 Speaker 1: two and they're not the same. Yeah. Some people are 387 00:25:19,236 --> 00:25:24,116 Speaker 1: bizarrely emotionally and politically invested, literally invested in this idea 388 00:25:24,156 --> 00:25:28,596 Speaker 1: of biological difference. So just gonna leave our listeners to 389 00:25:28,676 --> 00:25:31,596 Speaker 1: ruminate on that, and let's take a break. When we 390 00:25:31,636 --> 00:25:34,436 Speaker 1: get back, I think we should talk about like stigma 391 00:25:34,556 --> 00:25:38,316 Speaker 1: and myths about genital shape and size and symmetry, all 392 00:25:38,356 --> 00:25:40,556 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. And we're also going to talk 393 00:25:40,596 --> 00:25:42,956 Speaker 1: about that one myth that the caller brought up about 394 00:25:43,036 --> 00:25:58,116 Speaker 1: jerking it too hard, Emily. I have been waiting all 395 00:25:58,116 --> 00:26:00,276 Speaker 1: episode to say this, so I'm just gonna say it now. 396 00:26:01,076 --> 00:26:04,076 Speaker 1: And you might not know about this because you don't 397 00:26:04,156 --> 00:26:06,716 Speaker 1: consume a lot of pop culture, But there is an 398 00:26:06,876 --> 00:26:12,356 Speaker 1: entire song by Megan a Stallion about curved dicks being hot. 399 00:26:12,836 --> 00:26:17,276 Speaker 1: It's called Captain Hookah. That is amazing. Wait have you 400 00:26:17,316 --> 00:26:20,196 Speaker 1: heard it? I've never heard of it. Okay, Megan is 401 00:26:20,276 --> 00:26:24,716 Speaker 1: an absolute icon right now. And in this song Captain Hook, 402 00:26:24,836 --> 00:26:27,476 Speaker 1: she has a line where she literally says, I like 403 00:26:27,556 --> 00:26:30,356 Speaker 1: a dick with a little bit of curve. Considering that 404 00:26:30,436 --> 00:26:34,036 Speaker 1: you have never heard this, I need to play a 405 00:26:34,116 --> 00:26:38,076 Speaker 1: clip for you. You deserved that, a little bit of curve. 406 00:26:39,596 --> 00:26:44,636 Speaker 1: Palid pal that's amazing. Yes, it is a watershed moment 407 00:26:44,676 --> 00:26:48,276 Speaker 1: for curved penis visibility. Couldn't let this episode happen without 408 00:26:48,316 --> 00:26:51,756 Speaker 1: mentioning No, that is an extremely important edition. I didn't 409 00:26:51,796 --> 00:26:55,236 Speaker 1: realize that curve penises had made it to the mainstream 410 00:26:55,396 --> 00:27:00,716 Speaker 1: in so big a way, curve penis adoration in fact. Yeah, yeah, anyway, 411 00:27:01,556 --> 00:27:03,916 Speaker 1: So one of the things this caller, and they didn't 412 00:27:03,916 --> 00:27:06,036 Speaker 1: give their name, but one of the things they brought 413 00:27:06,156 --> 00:27:12,876 Speaker 1: up was what could have caused this curve? And actually, 414 00:27:12,996 --> 00:27:15,756 Speaker 1: I'm just going to play the clip because it's gold. 415 00:27:16,316 --> 00:27:18,596 Speaker 1: Is there a reason for it? Is it because he's 416 00:27:18,596 --> 00:27:20,916 Speaker 1: like jerking it too hard to one side or like 417 00:27:21,556 --> 00:27:27,196 Speaker 1: so could occur in a penis be caused by someone 418 00:27:27,836 --> 00:27:32,156 Speaker 1: jerking it too hard or jerking it too hard to 419 00:27:32,196 --> 00:27:37,556 Speaker 1: one side? Quote unquote yeah definitely not I want it, 420 00:27:37,836 --> 00:27:39,916 Speaker 1: but it's a thing I run into, like I've been 421 00:27:39,956 --> 00:27:42,236 Speaker 1: asked that before. That is the thing people are worried 422 00:27:42,236 --> 00:27:45,276 Speaker 1: about when their penis is vary from their expectations of 423 00:27:45,316 --> 00:27:47,716 Speaker 1: what a penis is supposed to be. They worry that 424 00:27:47,756 --> 00:27:51,876 Speaker 1: they made it happen by masturbating. And that's often because 425 00:27:51,916 --> 00:27:55,036 Speaker 1: they started masturbating and really paying close attention to their 426 00:27:55,036 --> 00:28:00,756 Speaker 1: penis at about the same time that their penis hits 427 00:28:00,836 --> 00:28:03,356 Speaker 1: puberty and starts to look the way it's going to look, 428 00:28:04,036 --> 00:28:07,596 Speaker 1: and so they think that it look. Correlation is not causation. 429 00:28:07,716 --> 00:28:10,356 Speaker 1: Just because two things happen at the same time doesn't 430 00:28:10,356 --> 00:28:14,436 Speaker 1: mean that one caused the other. You're masturbating in the 431 00:28:14,516 --> 00:28:17,516 Speaker 1: same direction as your penis because that's how it's comfortable 432 00:28:17,556 --> 00:28:21,116 Speaker 1: and pleasurable to masturbate. But the curve was there before 433 00:28:21,156 --> 00:28:26,476 Speaker 1: you ever started masturbate. But the myth of the idea 434 00:28:26,516 --> 00:28:29,796 Speaker 1: that you could masturbate too hard or too much and 435 00:28:29,836 --> 00:28:34,916 Speaker 1: it can permanently damage the hardware is like a pretty 436 00:28:34,956 --> 00:28:37,316 Speaker 1: pervasive myth. Like you know, I'm assist woman, I have 437 00:28:37,316 --> 00:28:41,316 Speaker 1: a cliter is. I had the cultural imagery that like 438 00:28:41,396 --> 00:28:43,756 Speaker 1: I could damage it forever, I could burn it off, 439 00:28:43,836 --> 00:28:46,796 Speaker 1: Like I was probably fourteen or fifteen, and I saw 440 00:28:46,916 --> 00:28:50,516 Speaker 1: an episode of Sex in the City where Samantha is 441 00:28:50,556 --> 00:28:54,036 Speaker 1: shopping for a vibrator and another woman who's shopping next 442 00:28:54,076 --> 00:28:56,756 Speaker 1: to her points at one of them and says, Oh, 443 00:28:56,956 --> 00:28:59,596 Speaker 1: don't buy that one because it'll burn your clitteress off. 444 00:29:01,076 --> 00:29:06,236 Speaker 1: And I after I saw that episode, I probably spent 445 00:29:08,316 --> 00:29:12,116 Speaker 1: four years having a fear that I could burn my 446 00:29:12,556 --> 00:29:18,316 Speaker 1: clitteress off, like literally cauterize your clarteres. Yes exactly, Oh, 447 00:29:18,996 --> 00:29:22,716 Speaker 1: I know, and now I know better. But like, and 448 00:29:22,836 --> 00:29:26,036 Speaker 1: probably all the meant is that it overheats, yeah, or 449 00:29:26,036 --> 00:29:29,796 Speaker 1: that it gets like really intense. But I do think 450 00:29:29,836 --> 00:29:33,036 Speaker 1: there's like a lot of cultural messaging that masturbation is 451 00:29:33,076 --> 00:29:35,356 Speaker 1: bad and if you do it too much or too hard, 452 00:29:35,476 --> 00:29:39,316 Speaker 1: you're going to damage your business forever, and that's gonna 453 00:29:39,316 --> 00:29:42,996 Speaker 1: be it. Yeah, And the only thing that's true is, like, again, 454 00:29:43,076 --> 00:29:46,196 Speaker 1: if you experience pain, that might be a sign that 455 00:29:46,396 --> 00:29:50,276 Speaker 1: something has gone sideways. And I don't mean that in 456 00:29:50,276 --> 00:29:53,076 Speaker 1: the penis pointing direction. I mean that, like, you may 457 00:29:53,116 --> 00:29:57,596 Speaker 1: have injured yourself if something hurts, but otherwise, if it 458 00:29:57,636 --> 00:30:02,196 Speaker 1: doesn't hurt, you are fine. If you experience numbness, that's temporary, 459 00:30:02,356 --> 00:30:05,236 Speaker 1: in the same way that like if you fall asleep 460 00:30:05,596 --> 00:30:09,636 Speaker 1: on your foot and it gets numb and tingly. Does 461 00:30:09,676 --> 00:30:12,796 Speaker 1: your foot stay that way forever? No, If your foot 462 00:30:12,876 --> 00:30:16,356 Speaker 1: stayed that way forever, you would tell me right, because 463 00:30:16,676 --> 00:30:18,996 Speaker 1: that's not the way it was yet there'd be something 464 00:30:18,996 --> 00:30:20,876 Speaker 1: wrong if it stayed that way forever. But it doesn't. 465 00:30:20,916 --> 00:30:24,756 Speaker 1: It's just very temporary. I think the worst thing masturbating 466 00:30:24,836 --> 00:30:29,916 Speaker 1: can do is teach you to get to orgasm so 467 00:30:29,956 --> 00:30:34,636 Speaker 1: efficiently that when you are having any sort of sexual 468 00:30:34,676 --> 00:30:38,196 Speaker 1: connection with another person, your body only knows how to 469 00:30:38,236 --> 00:30:42,276 Speaker 1: get to orgasm really efficiently, as opposed to like taking 470 00:30:42,276 --> 00:30:45,276 Speaker 1: your time and engaging with your partner. So really, what 471 00:30:45,316 --> 00:30:48,916 Speaker 1: I recommend is masturbating in a greater variety of ways 472 00:30:48,956 --> 00:30:53,716 Speaker 1: and really taking your time and enjoying it. That is 473 00:30:54,476 --> 00:30:56,796 Speaker 1: really really good advice. I want to bring up one 474 00:30:56,796 --> 00:30:59,556 Speaker 1: more thing from the listeners call. They said that their 475 00:30:59,596 --> 00:31:04,396 Speaker 1: partner's penis quote gets the job done. Like, no judgment 476 00:31:04,516 --> 00:31:07,076 Speaker 1: on the person who's using this language. This is the 477 00:31:07,156 --> 00:31:10,276 Speaker 1: language we are taught as a culture to use about penises, 478 00:31:11,516 --> 00:31:16,356 Speaker 1: to see them as strong and hard and like they 479 00:31:16,356 --> 00:31:21,956 Speaker 1: can last forever and they're never weak. It's absolutely a 480 00:31:21,996 --> 00:31:28,716 Speaker 1: metaphor for masculinity itself. This trap of masculinity. I am 481 00:31:28,756 --> 00:31:34,116 Speaker 1: just realizing right now that we like culturally apply the 482 00:31:34,156 --> 00:31:39,636 Speaker 1: words hand job and blowjob pretty much exclusively to penises, 483 00:31:39,636 --> 00:31:42,076 Speaker 1: Like we never talk about clitoral stimulation as a hand 484 00:31:42,196 --> 00:31:46,436 Speaker 1: job or kind of lingus as a blowjob. That's true. 485 00:31:46,756 --> 00:31:48,596 Speaker 1: Listeners should let us know if that's not true in 486 00:31:48,596 --> 00:31:51,516 Speaker 1: their experience. I had this revelation when I was actually 487 00:31:51,516 --> 00:31:54,916 Speaker 1: looking at a Instagram post and somebody used the phrase 488 00:31:55,236 --> 00:31:57,796 Speaker 1: thigh job, like in the queer context of like when 489 00:31:57,876 --> 00:32:02,476 Speaker 1: you're pressing your thigh against someone's volva basically yeah, And 490 00:32:02,476 --> 00:32:04,076 Speaker 1: when I when I heard the word thigh job, I 491 00:32:04,116 --> 00:32:06,116 Speaker 1: was like, I love that phrase. Number one and two. 492 00:32:06,236 --> 00:32:10,396 Speaker 1: I have never heard job blank, job be applied to 493 00:32:10,436 --> 00:32:14,596 Speaker 1: anything related to the clitterists or the bulba. Yeah. So, 494 00:32:14,716 --> 00:32:16,436 Speaker 1: but when the color says it gets the job done, 495 00:32:16,436 --> 00:32:20,956 Speaker 1: I assume they mean it's pleasurable to them in penetrative 496 00:32:20,996 --> 00:32:24,076 Speaker 1: sex and it doesn't hurt. But that's really what I 497 00:32:24,076 --> 00:32:25,836 Speaker 1: want to know as well, Like this callor is calling 498 00:32:25,836 --> 00:32:28,556 Speaker 1: in from their perspective having sex with this person with 499 00:32:28,556 --> 00:32:32,556 Speaker 1: the scurved penis, Like is it pleasurable? That's so interesting 500 00:32:32,596 --> 00:32:35,716 Speaker 1: because what I assumed and like, our assumptions are always 501 00:32:35,756 --> 00:32:39,916 Speaker 1: just our assumptions. But my assumption was I have orgasms 502 00:32:39,916 --> 00:32:44,276 Speaker 1: from penetration. My assumption was it gets hard and we're 503 00:32:44,316 --> 00:32:47,916 Speaker 1: able to have penetrative sex. M. That is a much 504 00:32:47,996 --> 00:32:53,596 Speaker 1: more pessimistic interpretation, but I think you could be right. Yeah. 505 00:32:53,636 --> 00:32:57,756 Speaker 1: I hope listeners will comment with their opinions of what 506 00:32:57,916 --> 00:33:00,516 Speaker 1: counts as like it gets the job done. Is it 507 00:33:00,556 --> 00:33:07,516 Speaker 1: just penetration pain free or is it orgasm from fashional stimulation? Okay, so, Emily, 508 00:33:07,596 --> 00:33:09,396 Speaker 1: I feel like we have covered a lot lot of 509 00:33:09,436 --> 00:33:12,396 Speaker 1: ground in this episode, and we started out talking about 510 00:33:12,436 --> 00:33:16,116 Speaker 1: a crooked penis, but we have also now covered the 511 00:33:16,156 --> 00:33:21,396 Speaker 1: internal genital structures and how all genitals are the same parts, 512 00:33:21,396 --> 00:33:28,036 Speaker 1: just organized differently. Also, I learned the word homologues. So 513 00:33:28,156 --> 00:33:32,196 Speaker 1: can you just recap it all for me? Please? I 514 00:33:32,236 --> 00:33:35,596 Speaker 1: would love to you. That's a great idea. So we'll 515 00:33:35,636 --> 00:33:38,636 Speaker 1: start with the answer to the actual question, which is yes, 516 00:33:38,916 --> 00:33:44,356 Speaker 1: bendy or curvy penises normal. And the reason they're normal 517 00:33:44,476 --> 00:33:47,276 Speaker 1: is that a penis is made of these three chambers 518 00:33:47,396 --> 00:33:52,156 Speaker 1: or like columns, and it's very common for one of 519 00:33:52,196 --> 00:33:55,476 Speaker 1: those columns to be slightly shorter than the other. Two, 520 00:33:55,516 --> 00:33:57,716 Speaker 1: and if that happens, and the penis will bend to 521 00:33:57,836 --> 00:34:00,996 Speaker 1: one side. But again, it is not a sign that 522 00:34:01,036 --> 00:34:04,676 Speaker 1: you've done anything wrong. It's not anything you've caused or 523 00:34:04,716 --> 00:34:08,356 Speaker 1: anything you could cause. It's just the way some penises 524 00:34:08,356 --> 00:34:10,676 Speaker 1: are built. And as long as it's not causing you 525 00:34:10,756 --> 00:34:17,716 Speaker 1: any pain, it's perfect. So that's first. Second, onto those 526 00:34:17,756 --> 00:34:20,876 Speaker 1: genital structures for simplicity. Right now, I'm going to focus 527 00:34:20,876 --> 00:34:24,556 Speaker 1: on the clitteress and the penis. In the first few 528 00:34:24,596 --> 00:34:28,476 Speaker 1: weeks of embryonic development, all of us have the same 529 00:34:28,676 --> 00:34:33,596 Speaker 1: basic hardware. It's around week six that the embryo receives 530 00:34:33,596 --> 00:34:38,076 Speaker 1: a hormonal signal and that hardware begins to take a 531 00:34:38,116 --> 00:34:40,836 Speaker 1: certain shape that when that person is born we would 532 00:34:40,916 --> 00:34:43,196 Speaker 1: label that shape it's a girl or it's a boy. 533 00:34:44,036 --> 00:34:46,556 Speaker 1: We all start out with the same parts, they just 534 00:34:46,636 --> 00:34:52,956 Speaker 1: get organized differently. So the penis and the clitteress are homologues. 535 00:34:53,316 --> 00:34:56,676 Speaker 1: They have the same origin. They are made of the 536 00:34:56,756 --> 00:35:01,556 Speaker 1: same material. Third, to get a little more specific, the 537 00:35:01,756 --> 00:35:05,316 Speaker 1: legs and the bulbs of the internal clitterests are the 538 00:35:05,436 --> 00:35:09,276 Speaker 1: same as the parts of those three chambers in the penis. 539 00:35:09,636 --> 00:35:12,676 Speaker 1: The head of the clitterests is the same as the 540 00:35:12,796 --> 00:35:15,636 Speaker 1: head of the penis. It just developed a little differently, 541 00:35:15,636 --> 00:35:20,116 Speaker 1: responding to the hormones based on this body's chromosomes and 542 00:35:20,196 --> 00:35:23,756 Speaker 1: other aspects of their environment in utero. And just like 543 00:35:23,796 --> 00:35:27,476 Speaker 1: the penis, the clitterests, including all of its internal parts, 544 00:35:27,756 --> 00:35:32,716 Speaker 1: gets erect and swells when you're aroused, which I just 545 00:35:32,996 --> 00:35:40,316 Speaker 1: love me too, array for clitteral arousal. So basically, the 546 00:35:40,316 --> 00:35:42,396 Speaker 1: way many of us are taught about genitals and sex 547 00:35:42,636 --> 00:35:48,276 Speaker 1: ed is this tiny fragment of the full picture, and 548 00:35:48,356 --> 00:35:54,116 Speaker 1: the reality is so much less binary than what we're taught. 549 00:35:54,716 --> 00:35:57,876 Speaker 1: Every set of genitals is unique, just like every person's 550 00:35:57,916 --> 00:36:02,516 Speaker 1: sexual orientation and gender identity and desires are all unique. 551 00:36:02,596 --> 00:36:08,116 Speaker 1: People vary and they change, and all of that is normal, 552 00:36:09,676 --> 00:36:14,796 Speaker 1: which leads us to fourth and most important. The reality 553 00:36:14,876 --> 00:36:18,716 Speaker 1: of our genitals is not what we were shown, either 554 00:36:18,796 --> 00:36:22,396 Speaker 1: in our textbooks or in porn. It is much more 555 00:36:22,876 --> 00:36:29,956 Speaker 1: asymmetrical and beautiful and curvy and delightful and enticing and 556 00:36:30,276 --> 00:36:33,236 Speaker 1: all the way down the alphabet. I don't have to 557 00:36:33,276 --> 00:36:36,436 Speaker 1: know what your genitals look like to know that they 558 00:36:36,476 --> 00:36:41,276 Speaker 1: are already perfect just as they are. This is the 559 00:36:41,316 --> 00:36:44,236 Speaker 1: difference between ladies sitting around at brunch talking about their 560 00:36:44,276 --> 00:36:48,116 Speaker 1: experiences and having a professional sex education. Yes, exactly. It's 561 00:36:48,156 --> 00:36:51,116 Speaker 1: the difference between your experience in high school with a 562 00:36:51,236 --> 00:36:53,876 Speaker 1: boy with a crooked penis and my experience in grad 563 00:36:53,916 --> 00:36:56,356 Speaker 1: school with a boy with a crooked penis. Rock and 564 00:36:56,476 --> 00:37:00,036 Speaker 1: be like, here's exactly why this is normal and can 565 00:37:00,076 --> 00:37:04,636 Speaker 1: actually be an assets night and day. Turns out, information 566 00:37:05,356 --> 00:37:08,996 Speaker 1: can make all the difference. Yep. Confidence comes from knowing 567 00:37:09,236 --> 00:37:11,596 Speaker 1: what is true. I mean, this is what I always say. 568 00:37:11,676 --> 00:37:13,476 Speaker 1: My job is to teach people to live with confidence 569 00:37:13,476 --> 00:37:16,316 Speaker 1: and enjoying their bodies. And confidence is knowing what is true. 570 00:37:16,716 --> 00:37:21,916 Speaker 1: And joy is loving what is true, and joy is 571 00:37:21,956 --> 00:37:26,836 Speaker 1: the hard part. Do you have advice for the caller 572 00:37:27,036 --> 00:37:31,476 Speaker 1: or the caller's partner, advice for doing that very hard part? 573 00:37:31,636 --> 00:37:35,276 Speaker 1: Like finding joy in your body as it exists right now. 574 00:37:35,916 --> 00:37:38,676 Speaker 1: We've all been trained from really early on to have 575 00:37:38,716 --> 00:37:41,436 Speaker 1: an idea about what is right and what is wrong 576 00:37:41,476 --> 00:37:46,596 Speaker 1: about sexuality, including the shape and size of our body parts, 577 00:37:47,356 --> 00:37:51,556 Speaker 1: all of our body parts. Just because it's normal doesn't 578 00:37:51,596 --> 00:37:56,596 Speaker 1: mean it's acceptable. Really, we have to change our opinion, 579 00:37:57,196 --> 00:38:01,236 Speaker 1: and that means going against every message we have received 580 00:38:01,796 --> 00:38:06,116 Speaker 1: from really early on in our lives. Reinforced through our 581 00:38:06,156 --> 00:38:12,356 Speaker 1: formal education, our moral education, our interactions with medical practitioners. 582 00:38:12,916 --> 00:38:15,396 Speaker 1: It has been reinforced that there is a right body 583 00:38:15,396 --> 00:38:18,876 Speaker 1: and a wrong body. And it takes a leap to 584 00:38:18,956 --> 00:38:23,876 Speaker 1: decide that your body, whatever it is, is already perfect 585 00:38:24,076 --> 00:38:29,116 Speaker 1: and beautiful and fully lovable and deserving of pleasure. That's 586 00:38:29,196 --> 00:38:32,276 Speaker 1: a choice that people need to make. And yeah, there's 587 00:38:32,276 --> 00:38:34,796 Speaker 1: a cost that comes with that kind of choice, because 588 00:38:34,836 --> 00:38:40,156 Speaker 1: other people will judge you for being willing to accept 589 00:38:40,196 --> 00:38:43,316 Speaker 1: and welcome your body precisely as it is. But it's 590 00:38:43,316 --> 00:38:47,836 Speaker 1: a daily practice of taking a tonic to strengthen your 591 00:38:47,996 --> 00:38:53,636 Speaker 1: immunity against those poisonous messages like what's do you have 592 00:38:53,676 --> 00:38:59,076 Speaker 1: a tonic that you take? What do you mean? Oh? Yeah, 593 00:38:59,116 --> 00:39:02,956 Speaker 1: so the literal tonic here is. Suppose a person with 594 00:39:02,996 --> 00:39:06,316 Speaker 1: a curved penis who has had complicated feelings about their 595 00:39:06,316 --> 00:39:12,556 Speaker 1: curved penis. Every day, just for three minutes, you think about, 596 00:39:13,596 --> 00:39:17,196 Speaker 1: you visualize, or you look at your penis, and you 597 00:39:17,276 --> 00:39:21,796 Speaker 1: send your penis loving supportive messages about like you are 598 00:39:21,836 --> 00:39:24,316 Speaker 1: perfect exactly the way you are. You are a normal 599 00:39:24,396 --> 00:39:28,436 Speaker 1: variation on the way human beings bodies look, and you 600 00:39:28,476 --> 00:39:32,316 Speaker 1: can be an asset and a gift. You're capable of 601 00:39:32,356 --> 00:39:38,116 Speaker 1: experiencing enormous pleasure. You're capable of providing pleasure to your partners. 602 00:39:38,276 --> 00:39:44,676 Speaker 1: You are a gorgeous, beautiful toy in the play that 603 00:39:44,916 --> 00:39:49,316 Speaker 1: is erotic connection. When I hear you talking about it, 604 00:39:49,676 --> 00:39:52,436 Speaker 1: like I feel it radiating from you in a way 605 00:39:52,476 --> 00:39:55,276 Speaker 1: that I know this sounds really woo woo, but like 606 00:39:57,876 --> 00:40:01,916 Speaker 1: it feels like once someone has made that shift where 607 00:40:01,916 --> 00:40:04,996 Speaker 1: they're unconditionally loving their body as it is right now, 608 00:40:05,956 --> 00:40:09,916 Speaker 1: Like everyone who they interact with everyone and can feel 609 00:40:10,396 --> 00:40:14,636 Speaker 1: that shift, Like everyone knows that there's someone who loves 610 00:40:14,676 --> 00:40:18,396 Speaker 1: their body instead of someone who is hiding or hating 611 00:40:18,396 --> 00:40:24,996 Speaker 1: their body. Yeah, that confidence and that acceptance. Your partner 612 00:40:24,996 --> 00:40:29,596 Speaker 1: can feel that, and it helps them to experience your 613 00:40:29,636 --> 00:40:32,876 Speaker 1: body with your confidence and your acceptance. Like, Nope, this 614 00:40:32,956 --> 00:40:35,476 Speaker 1: is just normal. Any feelings you have about the fact 615 00:40:35,476 --> 00:40:39,156 Speaker 1: that this might not be normal, that's you. And like, 616 00:40:39,356 --> 00:40:42,276 Speaker 1: here is this body right in front of you, ready 617 00:40:42,356 --> 00:40:48,116 Speaker 1: to be sexy with you, and you can either judge 618 00:40:48,116 --> 00:40:51,316 Speaker 1: it or you can be sexy with this body. What 619 00:40:51,436 --> 00:41:01,356 Speaker 1: do you think it works? Knowledge and self love totally 620 00:41:01,476 --> 00:41:05,076 Speaker 1: improve your sex life, and it helps other people improve 621 00:41:05,116 --> 00:41:10,076 Speaker 1: their sex lives. Because if they can see you loving 622 00:41:10,116 --> 00:41:12,636 Speaker 1: your body exactly as it is, it opens the question 623 00:41:12,716 --> 00:41:17,436 Speaker 1: of like, but could I love my body exactly as 624 00:41:17,436 --> 00:41:30,796 Speaker 1: it is? If there's someone who has moved through this process, 625 00:41:30,836 --> 00:41:34,596 Speaker 1: who has genitals that don't conform to like the porn ideal, 626 00:41:35,236 --> 00:41:38,156 Speaker 1: and you've made your way to a place of really 627 00:41:38,516 --> 00:41:41,596 Speaker 1: loving the shape of your genitals, let us know how 628 00:41:41,636 --> 00:41:44,996 Speaker 1: you did that. 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