1 00:00:13,550 --> 00:00:14,290 Speaker 1: Hi, you guys. 2 00:00:14,450 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 2: So you are listening to Killer Thriller Docu, and I 3 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:19,700 Speaker 2: am Jen Fessler. 4 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:22,620 Speaker 1: And today I am joined. 5 00:00:22,300 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 2: By my amazing Killer Thriller co-host, Elisa Donovan, and we 6 00:00:26,660 --> 00:00:32,170 Speaker 2: are losing it. We are so excited to welcome our guest, 7 00:00:32,290 --> 00:00:35,090 Speaker 2: comedian and actor, Dane Cook. 8 00:00:35,530 --> 00:00:40,030 Speaker 3: Jen is not exaggerating. We are so thrilled to welcome Dane. 9 00:00:40,409 --> 00:00:44,809 Speaker 3: His new documentary, Funny Money, The Dane Cook Story, takes 10 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 3: us back to a shocking chapter in his life when 11 00:00:48,340 --> 00:00:52,540 Speaker 3: he discovered that his half-brother had stolen millions of dollars 12 00:00:52,820 --> 00:00:53,220 Speaker 3: from him. 13 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:57,580 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's a story about money, but I almost 14 00:00:57,620 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: feel more importantly, it's a story about family, betrayal, trust, fame, 15 00:01:02,940 --> 00:01:06,060 Speaker 2: what happens when the person that you least expect becomes 16 00:01:06,110 --> 00:01:08,009 Speaker 2: the person that you can't trust. 17 00:01:08,550 --> 00:01:08,929 Speaker 1: Yep. 18 00:01:09,450 --> 00:01:12,850 Speaker 3: And today we are really going to get into what happened, 19 00:01:13,370 --> 00:01:17,110 Speaker 3: the fallout, the impact on Dane. This really seems to 20 00:01:17,150 --> 00:01:23,330 Speaker 3: have altered his life quite immeasurably. And we'll find out 21 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 3: what it was like for him to revisit all of 22 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 3: this for the documentary. 23 00:01:26,340 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 24 00:01:27,260 --> 00:01:30,660 Speaker 1: You know what? Let's bring him in. Dane, Thank you 25 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: so much for joining us on Killer Thriller. Thank you. 26 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,050 Speaker 4: Thank you for having me. I'm really grateful to be here. 27 00:01:36,550 --> 00:01:36,990 Speaker 5: Oh, my God. 28 00:01:37,069 --> 00:01:38,750 Speaker 1: We are grateful. You know, we are. 29 00:01:39,130 --> 00:01:41,430 Speaker 2: Killer Thriller is a true crime documentary. We talk a 30 00:01:41,470 --> 00:01:45,620 Speaker 2: lot about murder and there's usually blood and fear. This 31 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:50,420 Speaker 2: your documentary. was sad and inspiring. 32 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:54,540 Speaker 1: And it was really beautifully done. So congratulations. 33 00:01:54,900 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 5: Yes, congratulations. 34 00:01:56,060 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 3: And I want to say first, before we even get 35 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 3: into this interview, that I'm really sorry for your loss. 36 00:02:02,260 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 3: I know everybody talks about the loss of the money, 37 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,540 Speaker 3: but you really lost your relationship with your brother. And 38 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 3: I found that very, very touching. So I just wanted 39 00:02:10,700 --> 00:02:12,140 Speaker 3: to say sorry for that before. 40 00:02:11,900 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: We even start. 41 00:02:12,460 --> 00:02:14,460 Speaker 4: I appreciate that. I think that was one of the 42 00:02:14,500 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 4: things when we were making it that And even talking 43 00:02:17,900 --> 00:02:20,430 Speaker 4: about it today, it's like, I do miss my brother. 44 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:22,730 Speaker 4: I miss the guy that I knew as my brother. 45 00:02:22,970 --> 00:02:25,570 Speaker 4: And even though these things like it's a lot of 46 00:02:25,630 --> 00:02:29,510 Speaker 4: time has passed and certainly a lot of great therapy 47 00:02:29,570 --> 00:02:32,290 Speaker 4: and great mentorship and all the things that you need 48 00:02:32,310 --> 00:02:35,150 Speaker 4: to do to be truly introspective and get, you know, 49 00:02:35,190 --> 00:02:39,210 Speaker 4: get reconfigured and sort of back on track. There are 50 00:02:39,330 --> 00:02:42,220 Speaker 4: still moments where it's like, man, I, I, I, the 51 00:02:42,260 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 4: guy that was my brother, we had some really, really great, 52 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:49,090 Speaker 4: we put some wins up together. And so that's, that 53 00:02:49,130 --> 00:02:51,310 Speaker 4: still pings me from time to time. And certainly today. 54 00:02:51,910 --> 00:02:52,130 Speaker 2: Yeah. 55 00:02:52,230 --> 00:02:56,050 Speaker 1: I mean, also a great wife from what I saw. 56 00:02:56,410 --> 00:02:57,030 Speaker 4: Oh yeah. 57 00:02:57,450 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: So that is always very helpful. 58 00:02:59,310 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 4: So wouldn't be, I have to say, well, I can't 59 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,859 Speaker 4: breeze past that because you know, I wouldn't be here. 60 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 4: The documentary, nothing in my life would be where it's at. 61 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,460 Speaker 4: If it wasn't for Kelsey, we're coming up on three 62 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:14,030 Speaker 4: years in September and, And truly she emboldened and gave 63 00:03:14,050 --> 00:03:17,350 Speaker 4: me the ability to like, not only dig deep, but 64 00:03:17,450 --> 00:03:20,669 Speaker 4: you know, she's the person who ultimately said to me, like, 65 00:03:21,510 --> 00:03:24,270 Speaker 4: you always wanted to share this in an entertaining way. 66 00:03:24,610 --> 00:03:28,190 Speaker 4: That was like, you know, a full confession of who 67 00:03:28,230 --> 00:03:30,050 Speaker 4: you are. And she's like, you should go for it. 68 00:03:30,130 --> 00:03:31,910 Speaker 4: So yeah, wouldn't be here without Kels. 69 00:03:32,470 --> 00:03:33,010 Speaker 5: Yeah. 70 00:03:33,050 --> 00:03:36,950 Speaker 2: We went on to your Instagram page and just from 71 00:03:36,970 --> 00:03:38,070 Speaker 2: the yoga poses alone. 72 00:03:38,090 --> 00:03:41,310 Speaker 5: I can tell that she is quite a force. 73 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,750 Speaker 2: Um, so I, I want to know if, how you're 74 00:03:45,770 --> 00:03:48,970 Speaker 2: feeling now that it's airing and now that you've watched 75 00:03:49,030 --> 00:03:51,910 Speaker 2: it in its entirety and you've seen the Erica of 76 00:03:51,970 --> 00:03:54,470 Speaker 2: it all. And are you feeling differently than you did 77 00:03:54,530 --> 00:03:56,780 Speaker 2: before you started filming? 78 00:03:58,060 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 4: Um, every time I have had, uh, any kind of 79 00:04:03,340 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 4: sit down moment with it, um, I'm very cognizant of 80 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 4: like realizing what I'm, what I'm steeped in at that moment. 81 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 4: Like for example, um, the, the score, like the music 82 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:21,100 Speaker 4: throughout the film, uh, I was fortunate enough to have 83 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:24,339 Speaker 4: somebody create an original score for the movie and it 84 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:29,609 Speaker 4: accentuates the, the visual, the aesthetic and the music got 85 00:04:29,620 --> 00:04:32,410 Speaker 4: me emotional just listening to, I didn't even, wasn't even 86 00:04:32,470 --> 00:04:35,790 Speaker 4: watching the scene. I was just listening to the music. 87 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 4: as I was playing the scene and, you know, I 88 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 4: was like, wow, this is like the soundtrack of my 89 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 4: life now, in a sense, which has all those elements 90 00:04:45,100 --> 00:04:54,180 Speaker 4: of somber and crestfallen, but triumphant. And at my core, 91 00:04:54,339 --> 00:04:56,610 Speaker 4: even though, you know, this is a, as a kid 92 00:04:56,620 --> 00:05:01,990 Speaker 4: who grew up loving true crime, it was insatiable. These 93 00:05:02,010 --> 00:05:05,070 Speaker 4: were the stories that I Um, still to this day, 94 00:05:05,089 --> 00:05:08,390 Speaker 4: I watch documentaries. I'm most intrigued by, um, you know, 95 00:05:08,490 --> 00:05:10,670 Speaker 4: on my swim, this is the stuff that I like to, 96 00:05:11,050 --> 00:05:13,930 Speaker 4: you know, listen to and buy. Never dreaming that I 97 00:05:13,970 --> 00:05:15,850 Speaker 4: would be involved in something like this. 98 00:05:16,630 --> 00:05:19,270 Speaker 1: Never wanting to be either. 99 00:05:19,290 --> 00:05:22,610 Speaker 4: No, no. You know, no way ever, ever. But now 100 00:05:22,690 --> 00:05:25,070 Speaker 4: that like I sit with it and I'm experiencing all 101 00:05:25,110 --> 00:05:29,930 Speaker 4: these different, um, beautiful layers that, uh, people have taken 102 00:05:29,990 --> 00:05:32,670 Speaker 4: time out of their life and their abilities to put 103 00:05:32,710 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 4: into this documentary. Um, it's a bit of an embarrassment 104 00:05:36,260 --> 00:05:37,940 Speaker 4: of riches because now I get to sit here with 105 00:05:37,980 --> 00:05:41,300 Speaker 4: a beautiful piece of art. Um, that is my truth. 106 00:05:41,500 --> 00:05:44,090 Speaker 4: It is, it's, it's wow. It's like, I've never, it's like, 107 00:05:44,230 --> 00:05:46,310 Speaker 4: it's my art, but it's my truth. And to have 108 00:05:46,330 --> 00:05:48,870 Speaker 4: those really meeting in the middle, it's like, it's cool 109 00:05:48,890 --> 00:05:50,850 Speaker 4: to be able to sit here and own this story 110 00:05:50,870 --> 00:05:52,490 Speaker 4: in a way that I always wanted to be able 111 00:05:52,510 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 4: to share it with being very proud to share these, 112 00:05:56,010 --> 00:06:00,409 Speaker 4: you know, like nefarious, dark, wild, twisted moments is kind of, 113 00:06:00,700 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 4: kind of a cool place to sit. 114 00:06:01,820 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, it's really, It's a very beautiful thing 115 00:06:06,060 --> 00:06:08,349 Speaker 3: in that regard. You know, as artists, we get to, 116 00:06:08,529 --> 00:06:12,979 Speaker 3: that's like one of the joys of being able to 117 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 3: do any kind of work like this. Like you get 118 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:20,020 Speaker 3: true healing, I think, from actually being able to put 119 00:06:20,060 --> 00:06:20,740 Speaker 3: it into some. 120 00:06:20,620 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 5: Kind of art. 121 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,190 Speaker 3: And I felt very moved by that with this movie, 122 00:06:24,270 --> 00:06:28,030 Speaker 3: that you're able to maintain, true to form, this real 123 00:06:28,070 --> 00:06:35,050 Speaker 3: sense of humor about everything within the truly tragic heart 124 00:06:35,110 --> 00:06:39,180 Speaker 3: of this. And I just love your relationship with your 125 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,220 Speaker 3: sister in the film. It seems so clear that you 126 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:46,210 Speaker 3: two not only share a real similar sense of humor, 127 00:06:46,310 --> 00:06:48,830 Speaker 3: but there seems to be a real closeness there. 128 00:06:48,850 --> 00:06:51,419 Speaker 5: Was she a big support for you through all of this? 129 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 4: Well, Courtney is the heart of the film. And when 130 00:06:55,140 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 4: you hear Courtney and I laugh, oh, making my sister laugh, 131 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,130 Speaker 4: being able to lean on each other during that time, 132 00:07:03,930 --> 00:07:07,950 Speaker 4: she was going through something really, a real personal hardship 133 00:07:08,410 --> 00:07:11,460 Speaker 4: that the place today, I don't like have anger, but 134 00:07:11,500 --> 00:07:15,540 Speaker 4: the place that still, uh, gets me is the abandonment 135 00:07:15,580 --> 00:07:17,940 Speaker 4: of his sister at that time. You know, he did 136 00:07:17,980 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 4: this thing and, you know, yeah, he stole money and, 137 00:07:20,420 --> 00:07:23,260 Speaker 4: you know, there's a lot that can be said about that. 138 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:25,450 Speaker 4: But like what he did to his son and my 139 00:07:25,630 --> 00:07:29,790 Speaker 4: sister is like that to this moment still instigates a 140 00:07:29,850 --> 00:07:34,610 Speaker 4: lot of feelings. But Courtney, um, you know, in my, 141 00:07:34,770 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 4: in my life away from anything documentary related, like she 142 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,660 Speaker 4: was the person who was like the buoy to hold 143 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 4: on to. She's true. She's true compassion. She is so 144 00:07:47,140 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 4: much of my mother who, if you'd met my mother, 145 00:07:49,620 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 4: she was just a person that made you feel, you know, 146 00:07:51,900 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 4: at your lowest moment, my mom could help identify what 147 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 4: your highlight real moment could be. Courtney does that. I 148 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 4: say all the time and it's kind of a half joke, 149 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,860 Speaker 4: but true. If you met her right now and we 150 00:08:03,900 --> 00:08:05,780 Speaker 4: all talked for two hours, you might say at the 151 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,390 Speaker 4: end of that two hour conversation, well, Courtney, give me 152 00:08:08,410 --> 00:08:10,190 Speaker 4: your number, Dane. It was nice to meet you, and 153 00:08:10,390 --> 00:08:13,270 Speaker 4: I hope we cross paths. But you'd be like, you 154 00:08:13,310 --> 00:08:13,950 Speaker 4: want Courtney. 155 00:08:14,090 --> 00:08:16,890 Speaker 5: Yeah, we want her on the speed dial. 156 00:08:17,210 --> 00:08:21,630 Speaker 4: Yeah, but we knew this was a nightmare. We knew 157 00:08:22,690 --> 00:08:27,700 Speaker 4: full tilt, it went from a nice day to an 158 00:08:27,860 --> 00:08:36,300 Speaker 4: avalanche of horrible, humiliating, you know, we're talking about some 159 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:40,380 Speaker 4: dark twisted elements that we can't even cover in the 160 00:08:40,420 --> 00:08:46,340 Speaker 4: doc from the, the level of, you know, legally you can't, 161 00:08:47,380 --> 00:08:51,370 Speaker 4: some things legally I can't. And, and some things were 162 00:08:51,410 --> 00:08:53,510 Speaker 4: just the tentacles of this story. It would have been 163 00:08:53,530 --> 00:08:56,670 Speaker 4: too long. It was already like, you know, this, you know, 164 00:08:56,830 --> 00:09:00,229 Speaker 4: it's a toe tapper for two hours. And luckily, fortunately 165 00:09:00,290 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 4: it feels like people are enjoying it, even though it's, 166 00:09:02,750 --> 00:09:05,270 Speaker 4: we're in a fast paced day and age, but people 167 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 4: seem to be enjoying it throughout. 168 00:09:07,740 --> 00:09:13,820 Speaker 2: Um, yes, we know there's enjoyable because it's also hard 169 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,420 Speaker 2: to watch. And so very sad. My question is one 170 00:09:17,460 --> 00:09:20,410 Speaker 2: of our, my questions is, do you think he's watched it? 171 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 2: Do you think Daryl's watched it? And would you want 172 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 2: him to, I don't know. 173 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:26,939 Speaker 4: I mean, the trailer obviously is the only thing that's 174 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:31,209 Speaker 4: been out there at this point. Um, You know, I 175 00:09:31,270 --> 00:09:33,869 Speaker 4: don't know what kind of person he really is. I 176 00:09:34,010 --> 00:09:36,150 Speaker 4: really don't know. I don't know if he's the kind 177 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 4: of person... I looked into the eyes of a guy 178 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 4: in that courtroom that day as I was reading the 179 00:09:40,220 --> 00:09:43,020 Speaker 4: impact letter, and I was three feet away from the 180 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,260 Speaker 4: guy that I hugged a million times and celebrated shows with. 181 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:47,460 Speaker 2: And he. 182 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:51,189 Speaker 4: There was nothing. And when I say... It wasn't just 183 00:09:51,190 --> 00:09:56,790 Speaker 4: an ambivalence. It was like... Soulless? Yeah, like like he 184 00:09:56,860 --> 00:09:59,020 Speaker 4: finally revealed, you know, I read a book, great book 185 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:00,700 Speaker 4: called Confessions of a Sociopath. 186 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:01,300 Speaker 2: Yep. 187 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:03,140 Speaker 5: If you're familiar. 188 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,980 Speaker 4: And man, that really was very telling because I started 189 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 4: seeing some of the behaviors, learning about megalomania and some 190 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 4: of the, you know, things that I've been able to 191 00:10:14,860 --> 00:10:17,910 Speaker 4: listen to and sort of like the elements that, that 192 00:10:18,010 --> 00:10:21,110 Speaker 4: I understand that might be by way of my brother. 193 00:10:21,530 --> 00:10:23,429 Speaker 4: I think people will have to make their own determinations 194 00:10:23,510 --> 00:10:25,620 Speaker 4: watching the doc. I don't know if he'll watch it. 195 00:10:25,830 --> 00:10:27,130 Speaker 4: I know that I'm very close. 196 00:10:27,330 --> 00:10:28,610 Speaker 1: I mean, do you want to? 197 00:10:30,370 --> 00:10:33,850 Speaker 4: I don't, I mean, it's not, it's not a prerequisite. 198 00:10:33,929 --> 00:10:37,510 Speaker 4: It's not. The only thing I wanted to do was 199 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:39,580 Speaker 4: share it. I knew that if I got through the 200 00:10:39,620 --> 00:10:41,900 Speaker 4: entire sharing, that the rest isn't really up to me 201 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 4: where it goes, who sees it. Would I ever be here? 202 00:10:44,820 --> 00:10:47,860 Speaker 4: Talk about, I did the part for me, which was like, 203 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 4: paint the, paint the painting, know that it's, you're not 204 00:10:52,780 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 4: taking anything out of the room. You're leaving it on 205 00:10:54,540 --> 00:10:57,579 Speaker 4: the canvas. And so everything else now is just me 206 00:10:57,700 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 4: on the journey. I'm following it. So we'll, we'll have, 207 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 4: we'll have to see. I don't know. 208 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,069 Speaker 3: You know, I, I wanted to say on a personal note, I, 209 00:11:06,490 --> 00:11:08,849 Speaker 3: I had an experience that is nothing like this. I 210 00:11:09,410 --> 00:11:11,469 Speaker 3: had a manager that I worked with for many years 211 00:11:11,750 --> 00:11:16,030 Speaker 3: who embezzled over $ 100, 000 for me that I'm aware of. 212 00:11:17,740 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 3: And when I found that out, I'm getting that feeling 213 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 3: in my body. 214 00:11:22,580 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 5: I was so. 215 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,439 Speaker 3: And he had befriended me. He had become part of 216 00:11:26,740 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 3: my family in this sort of manipulated... manipulative way that 217 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 3: I didn't realize how dependent upon him I had become 218 00:11:34,660 --> 00:11:37,790 Speaker 3: and how trusting of him I was. And it like 219 00:11:37,830 --> 00:11:43,790 Speaker 3: the fury that I felt and the embarrassment and the, like, 220 00:11:43,890 --> 00:11:47,650 Speaker 3: it's just, there's so many feelings. So when watching this, 221 00:11:47,750 --> 00:11:52,470 Speaker 3: I thought, I can't even imagine the depth of this 222 00:11:52,690 --> 00:11:56,099 Speaker 3: for you, you know, because it's so personal and so 223 00:11:56,220 --> 00:12:00,829 Speaker 3: much more extreme. How did you feel like at what 224 00:12:00,890 --> 00:12:03,449 Speaker 3: point did you realize or feel like you were ready 225 00:12:03,550 --> 00:12:06,670 Speaker 3: to actually talk about it in a deep public way 226 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:07,079 Speaker 3: like this? 227 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 4: Well, first of all, I appreciate you sharing that. And 228 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,819 Speaker 4: I appreciate that people have wanted to not only been 229 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 4: sharing their stories, but believe it or not, some people 230 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,940 Speaker 4: that are the harbinger of those stories are reaching out 231 00:12:18,980 --> 00:12:19,220 Speaker 4: to me. 232 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 2: Wow. 233 00:12:20,660 --> 00:12:24,020 Speaker 4: Which, yeah, talk about like breaking news. Like, you know, 234 00:12:24,380 --> 00:12:27,420 Speaker 4: it's almost providing permission for people that are on the 235 00:12:27,460 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 4: other side of it to be finding in their own 236 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:35,559 Speaker 4: kind of comeuppance of like how they want to recalibrate. Yeah. 237 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,650 Speaker 3: I'd love to hear from my ex manager who is 238 00:12:38,730 --> 00:12:41,290 Speaker 3: still very much functioning and has done this to many 239 00:12:41,410 --> 00:12:44,670 Speaker 3: people and somehow has continued to work. 240 00:12:45,390 --> 00:12:47,470 Speaker 4: You know, when you put things like that out into 241 00:12:47,530 --> 00:12:50,010 Speaker 4: the world, it's kind of amazing the way it does 242 00:12:50,350 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 4: cooperate and collaborate. So it's like, you know, I think 243 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 4: that being able to receive stories from people and understand 244 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:09,060 Speaker 4: that you can take the worst elements of your life, 245 00:13:09,179 --> 00:13:15,540 Speaker 4: the things that I call hull-crush depth. In submarine talk, 246 00:13:15,900 --> 00:13:21,070 Speaker 4: that's where you've gone past the point of you're no 247 00:13:21,110 --> 00:13:25,730 Speaker 4: longer safe in this mode of transport. Hull-crush depth is 248 00:13:25,790 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 4: what I felt. Because I was also a person who 249 00:13:28,380 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 4: was very public. And I also was a kid who 250 00:13:30,980 --> 00:13:35,630 Speaker 4: dealt with a lot of feelings of humiliation and self-loathing. 251 00:13:36,370 --> 00:13:39,670 Speaker 4: So to have all of that sort of come back 252 00:13:39,790 --> 00:13:44,089 Speaker 4: publicly and then feel like it really, I lost myself. 253 00:13:45,210 --> 00:13:48,490 Speaker 4: I really lost myself in that moment. Forget about funds. 254 00:13:48,870 --> 00:13:50,869 Speaker 4: I lost who I was. I lost my voice. I 255 00:13:50,910 --> 00:13:54,790 Speaker 4: lost narrative. I lost trust. Um, and, uh, and so 256 00:13:54,809 --> 00:13:57,890 Speaker 4: when that starts to come back into view and, and, and, 257 00:13:58,580 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 4: and pieces start realigning, the thing that was the most 258 00:14:02,420 --> 00:14:04,900 Speaker 4: mission critical for me was like, oh wait, how can 259 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:10,420 Speaker 4: I understand other, have that empathy and compassion? Because when 260 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:12,780 Speaker 4: I understand other people, it's helping me with my healing, 261 00:14:13,059 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 4: but it's also helping me be a better storyteller. Not 262 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 4: just for the doc as one story, but I'm finding 263 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:24,010 Speaker 4: this is finding its way into, uh, characters and uh 264 00:14:24,110 --> 00:14:27,650 Speaker 4: situations that i've had the now it's like the good 265 00:14:27,790 --> 00:14:31,020 Speaker 4: fortune of using the very bad thing that happened to 266 00:14:31,060 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 4: me to potentially entertain people because i lived through it 267 00:14:35,740 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 4: so i know it's a lot trust me in real 268 00:14:38,340 --> 00:14:40,660 Speaker 4: time i'm still trying to rectify it but it it 269 00:14:40,700 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 4: feels like a lot of good came from a lot 270 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 4: of bad. 271 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:48,090 Speaker 2: Right so dane i have to ask about the wicked 272 00:14:48,110 --> 00:14:50,660 Speaker 2: witch of the east The Wiccan. 273 00:14:50,820 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: The Wiccan. I have to ask about Erica. 274 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:53,980 Speaker 4: Yeah, yes. 275 00:14:54,420 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: I'm curious because watching it just as a viewer, I 276 00:14:59,940 --> 00:15:02,300 Speaker 1: kind of wanted to smack her. So I want to 277 00:15:02,340 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: know how you feel. 278 00:15:04,500 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 2: I know how you felt about her, assuming I know, 279 00:15:07,750 --> 00:15:10,990 Speaker 2: before the documentary. Now having watched it, is there anything 280 00:15:11,110 --> 00:15:11,850 Speaker 2: she said that. 281 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: you believe. 282 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,180 Speaker 2: And, you know, she said all of a sudden now 283 00:15:17,260 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 2: she would talk to you again. I'm, I'm guessing you 284 00:15:20,340 --> 00:15:22,660 Speaker 2: probably wouldn't want to, but anyway, tell me how you 285 00:15:22,700 --> 00:15:24,370 Speaker 2: feel about her after the documentary. 286 00:15:25,420 --> 00:15:29,230 Speaker 4: She's very, very keen and she's very good at, um, 287 00:15:29,830 --> 00:15:32,930 Speaker 4: you know, protecting herself. Um, and I can't say, I 288 00:15:33,010 --> 00:15:35,190 Speaker 4: don't know, like, I don't know who truly like is 289 00:15:35,250 --> 00:15:39,350 Speaker 4: under the moniker of sociopath, but I do know one 290 00:15:39,390 --> 00:15:42,250 Speaker 4: thing about them is they're, they're, they're, um, There's a 291 00:15:42,350 --> 00:15:46,060 Speaker 4: scavenger mentality, and part of what they're doing, and. 292 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 5: I definitely feel this of my brother. 293 00:15:48,300 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 4: Is they think you're in on the take as well. 294 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:55,820 Speaker 4: So they're gamifying because they think that's what you're doing, 295 00:15:56,300 --> 00:15:58,750 Speaker 4: and they're wired like that. So I think we're all 296 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 4: trying to dog eat dog each other. 297 00:16:00,900 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: So surprised by her at all. 298 00:16:04,820 --> 00:16:07,500 Speaker 4: Yes. Very surprised at a lot of things in the doc. 299 00:16:07,780 --> 00:16:11,260 Speaker 4: But I think the thing that I'm privy to that 300 00:16:11,500 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 4: is covered, but not fully is like, I, I saw 301 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 4: in some of the emails how she was leading the charge. 302 00:16:18,060 --> 00:16:21,460 Speaker 4: Like I've, I've learned more about global economics just by 303 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 4: way of where they knew they could go and hide money. 304 00:16:25,350 --> 00:16:28,270 Speaker 4: So if anybody ever wants to crash course in where 305 00:16:28,310 --> 00:16:31,050 Speaker 4: your money might be outside of the continental United States, 306 00:16:31,130 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 4: like ding, ding, ding, I'm your guy. Um, and that 307 00:16:33,860 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 4: was a lot of her due diligence. And so very keen, 308 00:16:37,780 --> 00:16:40,820 Speaker 4: very cunning. And I watched somebody who, and again, imagine 309 00:16:40,860 --> 00:16:43,180 Speaker 4: I'm watching her now in this documentary and two things 310 00:16:43,260 --> 00:16:47,980 Speaker 4: are resonating. One is I, I, I remember a lot 311 00:16:48,020 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 4: of dealing with you one-on-one in our home and how 312 00:16:52,090 --> 00:16:55,810 Speaker 4: impossible sometimes you were to deal with. But two, I'm, 313 00:16:56,390 --> 00:17:00,530 Speaker 4: I'm actually, she gives good documentary. 314 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:04,780 Speaker 3: When she's speaking about going to Florida to, to give, 315 00:17:04,859 --> 00:17:07,379 Speaker 3: bring the money to invest in that, that was a 316 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 3: part of essentially this. 317 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 4: Vacuum cleaner bag. 318 00:17:09,900 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 2: Yes. 319 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,199 Speaker 3: She says at one point when the, the, um, one 320 00:17:13,220 --> 00:17:15,850 Speaker 3: of the producers asks, you know, well, what were you 321 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:19,130 Speaker 3: trying to do? Oh, well, I wanted to make him stop. 322 00:17:19,810 --> 00:17:23,090 Speaker 3: And I thought, what did she just say? She's the 323 00:17:23,170 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 3: one doing it. She's not making Daryl do anything. It 324 00:17:26,820 --> 00:17:29,980 Speaker 3: was like she uses language in a way. It's so 325 00:17:30,060 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 3: nefarious and so specific. I was like, wait a second. 326 00:17:33,619 --> 00:17:37,140 Speaker 3: She's making us subliminally think she's doing something good when 327 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 3: you could have stopped yourself from bringing this money that 328 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:45,070 Speaker 3: was not yours. to invest, to make money for yourself. 329 00:17:45,210 --> 00:17:47,649 Speaker 4: On that road trip, she also, not in the documentary, 330 00:17:47,710 --> 00:17:50,170 Speaker 4: and this is where there's so many tentacles of this story, 331 00:17:50,270 --> 00:17:53,090 Speaker 4: and I'll sort of tell you what else I've learned, 332 00:17:53,150 --> 00:17:57,050 Speaker 4: but on the way down I-95, she stopped at a 333 00:17:57,170 --> 00:18:02,770 Speaker 4: high-end sunglasses. She bought a pair of $ 500 sunglasses on 334 00:18:02,810 --> 00:18:06,890 Speaker 4: that trip to deliver that vacuum bag of money, not 335 00:18:06,950 --> 00:18:09,330 Speaker 4: knowing that a sting was in play, and she was 336 00:18:09,390 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 4: about to be cuffed and stuffed in the back of a, 337 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 4: you know, squad car. But it's funny. 338 00:18:15,020 --> 00:18:15,700 Speaker 5: Oh my God. 339 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 4: When I think about it, I don't think about the 340 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,629 Speaker 4: 500,000 in the vacuum cleaner bag. I'm like, she stopped 341 00:18:20,670 --> 00:18:23,990 Speaker 4: and bought herself a $ 500 pair of glasses as well. 342 00:18:24,030 --> 00:18:25,709 Speaker 5: It's like, ooh. 343 00:18:25,750 --> 00:18:29,250 Speaker 3: Well, when you make like the narrative version of this, 344 00:18:29,730 --> 00:18:32,429 Speaker 3: that's going to be a great moment in the movie. 345 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 4: It might very well be. I hope enough people want 346 00:18:34,300 --> 00:18:36,400 Speaker 4: to watch it and it gives it legs. So from 347 00:18:36,460 --> 00:18:38,580 Speaker 4: your lips to whoever's listening's ears. 348 00:18:38,859 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you're not going to have a problem. 349 00:18:54,430 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 2: You know, she got the same sentence basically. I mean, 350 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:00,060 Speaker 2: you know, he got out so early as he did. 351 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 2: And it feels to me, although that seems like they. 352 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: Both did a short, very brief. 353 00:19:06,020 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 2: I don't know if you, if you felt okay about 354 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:12,370 Speaker 2: that three years, I don't know, but I think that 355 00:19:12,590 --> 00:19:15,250 Speaker 2: there was maybe some justice in the fact that they 356 00:19:15,310 --> 00:19:20,070 Speaker 2: both served the same amount of time. She was, you know, 357 00:19:20,530 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 2: a full participant in, At least that's what we, I 358 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:24,340 Speaker 2: believe that. 359 00:19:24,380 --> 00:19:26,619 Speaker 1: And I think you do too. And she got what 360 00:19:26,660 --> 00:19:29,500 Speaker 1: he got. I mean, was that something you felt good about? 361 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,460 Speaker 4: I'll say this. There was one thing that brought me 362 00:19:36,550 --> 00:19:40,810 Speaker 4: a bit of a chuckle, which is there was some 363 00:19:40,910 --> 00:19:45,290 Speaker 4: kind of clerical error in her sentencing. And she actually 364 00:19:45,390 --> 00:19:49,010 Speaker 4: served an extra year that she didn't need to by mistake. 365 00:19:49,170 --> 00:19:49,790 Speaker 1: Get out. 366 00:19:49,810 --> 00:19:49,889 Speaker 4: Yes. 367 00:19:50,220 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 2: Kidding wow that's that's just divine providence right there yeah and. 368 00:19:57,260 --> 00:20:00,300 Speaker 1: She didn't need to so fabulous. 369 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,060 Speaker 4: Yeah no i i listen i'm i'm a firm believer 370 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,270 Speaker 4: in um you know this is in this has been 371 00:20:05,310 --> 00:20:08,430 Speaker 4: my philosophy and even though i sort of needed to um, 372 00:20:08,550 --> 00:20:12,060 Speaker 4: pick myself up and, and, and recalibrate and figure out 373 00:20:12,100 --> 00:20:14,780 Speaker 4: really like where I am in the world and in 374 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,899 Speaker 4: my career. I don't believe anything's ever falling apart. I 375 00:20:17,940 --> 00:20:21,109 Speaker 4: really believe anything, everything is falling together. And I, I 376 00:20:21,150 --> 00:20:23,129 Speaker 4: live my life by that. And if you choose to 377 00:20:23,210 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 4: stop with the, uh, With the shards and the pieces, 378 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,810 Speaker 4: then you're going to have a long life of, you know, 379 00:20:30,109 --> 00:20:32,449 Speaker 4: staring at that. But I really think that if you 380 00:20:32,490 --> 00:20:35,190 Speaker 4: can sort of own the things that happen to you 381 00:20:35,550 --> 00:20:37,910 Speaker 4: as bad as they are and put up a win 382 00:20:38,130 --> 00:20:41,350 Speaker 4: with them, that's truly where you go. Like, oh, I, 383 00:20:41,470 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 4: you know, I wouldn't have this great life, great wife, 384 00:20:43,859 --> 00:20:48,500 Speaker 4: great career and a beautiful piece of, you know, documentary 385 00:20:48,540 --> 00:20:50,580 Speaker 4: to share with the world if I didn't go through 386 00:20:50,619 --> 00:20:51,420 Speaker 4: this terrible thing. 387 00:20:52,790 --> 00:20:54,659 Speaker 3: I'm so curious if you can talk about that a 388 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 3: little bit more because you cover it in the movie, 389 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:02,140 Speaker 3: that moment or the period of moments where you understand 390 00:21:02,300 --> 00:21:05,909 Speaker 3: that your brother has taken all of your money and 391 00:21:05,950 --> 00:21:08,990 Speaker 3: has totally betrayed you. And then you get to this 392 00:21:09,050 --> 00:21:13,149 Speaker 3: place where you pick yourself back up and call the 393 00:21:13,190 --> 00:21:15,730 Speaker 3: venues to set up concerts and do all those things. 394 00:21:16,970 --> 00:21:21,100 Speaker 3: That in-between period how did you do that? 395 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 5: Like, was it, were you just. 396 00:21:24,140 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 4: I watched a lot of true crime documentaries. I sort 397 00:21:28,540 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 4: of went back to that, but now I'm on the 398 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:34,459 Speaker 4: couch going, yeah, me too. No, I, I, you know, 399 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,619 Speaker 4: I think that what you're saying is like, what did 400 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,460 Speaker 4: I do during the interim of life? 401 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 402 00:21:38,780 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 3: Like how long was that? And how did you literally 403 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,510 Speaker 3: get yourself back up? 404 00:21:45,010 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 4: It was like, Well, a lot of things, like I said, 405 00:21:47,460 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 4: it happened. It was also I was no longer in 406 00:21:49,700 --> 00:21:53,500 Speaker 4: vogue and I was coming. I wasn't getting busier. In fact, 407 00:21:53,540 --> 00:21:57,250 Speaker 4: I was sort of like having to reinvent anyway. And 408 00:21:57,330 --> 00:22:00,190 Speaker 4: so it was and then I'm being thrust into that 409 00:22:00,230 --> 00:22:03,409 Speaker 4: because now I'm like dealing with the personal stuff. And 410 00:22:03,470 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 4: I really don't know where my friends are in an 411 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,580 Speaker 4: industry that's, you know, very, very of today. 412 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:11,880 Speaker 1: Right. 413 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:16,659 Speaker 4: You're either on the hot list or the no list. Um, and, 414 00:22:16,740 --> 00:22:19,990 Speaker 4: and really it's kind of funny, like sidebar to that is, um, see, 415 00:22:20,010 --> 00:22:22,350 Speaker 4: I speak in court terms now. It's like after, uh, 416 00:22:24,090 --> 00:22:27,109 Speaker 4: I think that just by way of understanding, like the, 417 00:22:27,270 --> 00:22:30,970 Speaker 4: the best parts of, of, um, our life are when 418 00:22:30,990 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 4: you're sharing things that are actual and true and real, 419 00:22:34,100 --> 00:22:36,820 Speaker 4: because then you find, you don't just find an audience, 420 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,660 Speaker 4: but you also find like-minded people that's good for health 421 00:22:39,700 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 4: and wellness as well. 422 00:22:40,780 --> 00:22:41,820 Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah. 423 00:22:42,020 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 4: Yes. 424 00:22:42,619 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 5: That connection it's, it's developing true, connection. 425 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 4: It was a lot of writing. It was a lot 426 00:22:49,780 --> 00:22:52,260 Speaker 4: of writing. I, I wrote, uh, actually wrote a book 427 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 4: that I thought initially would come out, uh, before this, 428 00:22:55,540 --> 00:22:58,060 Speaker 4: that hopefully now that I finished it will come out 429 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,700 Speaker 4: next year. That kind of covers a little bit more 430 00:23:01,310 --> 00:23:04,669 Speaker 4: of my brother and I, but then just, uh, self-actualizing 431 00:23:04,730 --> 00:23:07,889 Speaker 4: and philosophy and some of the other, maybe even nefarious 432 00:23:07,930 --> 00:23:11,449 Speaker 4: parts of just this business. And it's a, it's a, uh, 433 00:23:11,970 --> 00:23:14,770 Speaker 4: a different kind of story, but In that time, in 434 00:23:14,810 --> 00:23:16,869 Speaker 4: those few years where I was really like, I guess 435 00:23:16,890 --> 00:23:21,510 Speaker 4: you would say like ass out. I'm just like, ugh, 436 00:23:21,530 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 4: I don't really know where I belong. I really don't 437 00:23:25,580 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 4: know where I belong. And I guess that was the 438 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:32,859 Speaker 4: beginning of really wanting to, seven levels of grief and 439 00:23:32,900 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 4: I got to really start it and go through the process. 440 00:23:35,540 --> 00:23:37,860 Speaker 4: I have to start doing some group meetings and meeting 441 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,290 Speaker 4: with other people that have, and by the way, what 442 00:23:41,330 --> 00:23:43,909 Speaker 4: I learned was you said, Um, you know, I've gone 443 00:23:43,950 --> 00:23:48,460 Speaker 4: through this experience, not as great as yours, but it 444 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,179 Speaker 4: is as great as mine. It's equally as important and impactful, 445 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 4: the thing that happened to you. And I've now shared 446 00:23:55,060 --> 00:23:57,580 Speaker 4: space with people that have had, we've had a myriad 447 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 4: of things. They all matter equally in just as much. 448 00:24:01,580 --> 00:24:04,979 Speaker 4: And we can help each other through these, uh, sometimes 449 00:24:05,140 --> 00:24:07,310 Speaker 4: fun experiences of the things you get to cover and 450 00:24:07,350 --> 00:24:10,870 Speaker 4: talk about. But there's always something or someone in these 451 00:24:10,910 --> 00:24:16,940 Speaker 4: stories that it's tragic. It's not entertaining, maybe either not yet, 452 00:24:17,140 --> 00:24:20,300 Speaker 4: maybe even not ever. So I kind of feel like 453 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,699 Speaker 4: the simpatico here, and even though the sheen is the 454 00:24:24,780 --> 00:24:28,650 Speaker 4: fun and the alluring, and there is that, it's fascinating, 455 00:24:28,790 --> 00:24:33,369 Speaker 4: fame and betrayal and murder. But when you're really on 456 00:24:33,390 --> 00:24:36,990 Speaker 4: the receiving end of that, you start to understand that like, 457 00:24:37,050 --> 00:24:41,020 Speaker 4: oh man, my place now in the world is I've 458 00:24:41,060 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 4: been the recipient of a story that even though it's 459 00:24:45,700 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 4: in rare air, everyone's interested either as an audience member 460 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,419 Speaker 4: or there's a lot of people looking for kinship. And 461 00:24:52,460 --> 00:24:56,020 Speaker 4: now I have a kinship with more people. And I 462 00:24:56,060 --> 00:24:59,919 Speaker 4: learned in that time that kind of tough, rough story. Uh, 463 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,540 Speaker 4: time when I, nobody's calling me and nobody's hiring and, oh, 464 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,380 Speaker 4: been there, done that. We know the, we know him 465 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 4: in that time. I really learned about other people that 466 00:25:09,810 --> 00:25:12,649 Speaker 4: didn't care if my had a movie or they just 467 00:25:12,670 --> 00:25:15,270 Speaker 4: cared about one foot in front of the other, getting 468 00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:18,270 Speaker 4: back on their feet, building a new framework for their life. 469 00:25:18,650 --> 00:25:21,530 Speaker 4: So now I have two lanes. I've got comedy and 470 00:25:21,570 --> 00:25:23,490 Speaker 4: entertainment and I can't wait to get back to work. 471 00:25:23,550 --> 00:25:25,270 Speaker 4: And man, I really do want to get back to 472 00:25:25,310 --> 00:25:28,710 Speaker 4: work in a greater capacity. But I have this other 473 00:25:29,070 --> 00:25:32,170 Speaker 4: thing that's very meaningful to me, which is connecting with 474 00:25:32,210 --> 00:25:37,190 Speaker 4: these stories and finding my way in this whole other genre. 475 00:25:37,590 --> 00:25:41,450 Speaker 3: Yeah. I feel like you just gave us, that's why 476 00:25:42,070 --> 00:25:44,929 Speaker 3: we do these. For me, that's why I do this 477 00:25:44,970 --> 00:25:47,860 Speaker 3: podcast in the first place. This is not about exploiting 478 00:25:47,890 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 3: people's pain or doing anything. It's about these are human 479 00:25:51,060 --> 00:25:55,270 Speaker 3: things that real human beings have done. And there are 480 00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:58,729 Speaker 3: people that have suffered from it and people who have 481 00:25:58,770 --> 00:26:03,379 Speaker 3: chosen to continue their lives and utilize that experience as 482 00:26:03,460 --> 00:26:06,180 Speaker 3: this is now a part of my experience and how 483 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 3: can I move forward? 484 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 5: How can I help other people? 485 00:26:09,540 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 3: How can it enhance my life in a real way? 486 00:26:14,580 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 5: So I love that you said that. 487 00:26:17,300 --> 00:26:21,350 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think when people do understand that like, When 488 00:26:21,369 --> 00:26:24,709 Speaker 4: a painful thing happens, especially if it's an extraordinary story, 489 00:26:25,210 --> 00:26:29,060 Speaker 4: then it's okay to steep in the idea that it 490 00:26:29,130 --> 00:26:34,420 Speaker 4: is entertaining. It's entertaining, but not always for the sort 491 00:26:34,460 --> 00:26:41,020 Speaker 4: of like surfacy pithy. It's entertaining because in the back 492 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 4: of our mind, we might be like, I think that's 493 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,420 Speaker 4: my life. I think maybe I need to uncover. I 494 00:26:48,460 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 4: think I need to ask better questions of the people 495 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,530 Speaker 4: around me. I think our audience, it's not just the salacious, 496 00:26:54,630 --> 00:26:58,050 Speaker 4: even though, sure, it's sometimes that as well. But I 497 00:26:58,109 --> 00:27:00,590 Speaker 4: try to tell people when I have the good fortune 498 00:27:00,630 --> 00:27:04,780 Speaker 4: of like, just a, you know. chess match of a conversation. 499 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,470 Speaker 4: I try to say, it's okay to like realize that yes, 500 00:27:08,530 --> 00:27:12,270 Speaker 4: your story feels sensational and you want to think people 501 00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 4: just want to hear my story for clicks in numbers. 502 00:27:15,820 --> 00:27:17,679 Speaker 4: But the truth is there's a lot of people that 503 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 4: if they hear your story are going to connect with 504 00:27:20,100 --> 00:27:22,020 Speaker 4: you and you might actually be helping somebody. 505 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:40,199 Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. There are so many lessons in the documentary. 506 00:27:40,220 --> 00:27:47,070 Speaker 2: And I'm curious about the lesson of managing money. And, well, 507 00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:50,890 Speaker 2: how hard is it for you now to trust that 508 00:27:50,910 --> 00:27:52,820 Speaker 2: the people who you're working. 509 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,340 Speaker 1: With are handling your money honestly? And then also. 510 00:27:56,590 --> 00:27:58,590 Speaker 2: A lesson in terms of I have a feeling that 511 00:27:58,609 --> 00:28:01,270 Speaker 2: you're probably very on top of what comes and goes 512 00:28:01,330 --> 00:28:02,570 Speaker 2: out of your bank account now. 513 00:28:03,070 --> 00:28:04,570 Speaker 1: But is that, you know. 514 00:28:04,580 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 2: I'm sure obviously that has changed, but people must really 515 00:28:09,380 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 2: appreciate that because I'm guessing and maybe a lot of 516 00:28:12,900 --> 00:28:18,619 Speaker 2: Hollywood people specifically, you know, trust blindly. And I'm guessing 517 00:28:18,660 --> 00:28:19,540 Speaker 2: that's changed for you. 518 00:28:20,300 --> 00:28:23,300 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's actually one thing I'll say about tech, like 519 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,570 Speaker 4: the world we live in now. There really are so 520 00:28:25,590 --> 00:28:28,570 Speaker 4: many like safety nets and things that you can toggle 521 00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:32,050 Speaker 4: to get your own updates to, you know, to be 522 00:28:32,109 --> 00:28:36,730 Speaker 4: able to check in on your whatever finances or people 523 00:28:36,810 --> 00:28:40,790 Speaker 4: participating with you on any kind of venture. So back 524 00:28:40,830 --> 00:28:43,210 Speaker 4: then it was more like, you know, a paper trail. 525 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 4: With a little bit of internet. So the good thing is. 526 00:28:45,900 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 4: I would say to most people today. You can ask 527 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 4: for the app. And you can log into. And it's 528 00:28:51,140 --> 00:28:58,990 Speaker 4: not as overwhelming. As I once thought it was. But also. The. 529 00:28:59,730 --> 00:29:07,990 Speaker 4: The ability. To. Communicate with people. In the way that 530 00:29:08,330 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 4: I do now. The business people. That I surround myself with. 531 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 4: And the understanding that when we're, when I'm communicating with 532 00:29:18,140 --> 00:29:20,660 Speaker 4: my team now, and by the way, my wife, once again, 533 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:26,850 Speaker 4: like an incredibly prolific and smart person when it comes 534 00:29:26,910 --> 00:29:30,150 Speaker 4: to all things, you know, economy and being able to 535 00:29:30,290 --> 00:29:33,190 Speaker 4: share and know that like, you know what, you can, 536 00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:35,930 Speaker 4: you can build something, you can share with somebody that 537 00:29:35,950 --> 00:29:39,750 Speaker 4: you trust and you can trust yourself in those. You 538 00:29:39,770 --> 00:29:43,380 Speaker 4: don't have to be a BC college graduate to give 539 00:29:43,420 --> 00:29:46,860 Speaker 4: yourself permission to go like, I don't necessarily know all 540 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 4: these things, but I'm coming into some money or I'm 541 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,530 Speaker 4: coming into some, I'm interpreting this as some kind of 542 00:29:53,630 --> 00:29:56,630 Speaker 4: power that I have. Help me to be able to 543 00:29:56,730 --> 00:29:59,750 Speaker 4: funnel this properly. But lastly, the most important thing that 544 00:29:59,790 --> 00:30:01,890 Speaker 4: I was kind of excited to share with your question 545 00:30:01,950 --> 00:30:09,070 Speaker 4: is like, when you ask people questions about your finances, 546 00:30:09,150 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 4: about trust, anybody who gets upset that you're just asking 547 00:30:13,820 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 4: a question is waving a little invisible red flag because 548 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 4: people that love you don't get upset when you ask 549 00:30:20,100 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 4: a question that you're unsure of. 550 00:30:22,260 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 2: I think this is precisely women who probably give up 551 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,100 Speaker 2: their power. And I'm not, you know, it's not just women. 552 00:30:29,420 --> 00:30:31,140 Speaker 2: But that's sort of what occurs to me that the 553 00:30:31,180 --> 00:30:34,620 Speaker 2: women watching who bury their head in the sand when 554 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 2: it comes to finances and trust. 555 00:30:36,540 --> 00:30:37,900 Speaker 1: But I think that's such a good lesson. 556 00:30:38,140 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 2: If if the person who's managing your money doesn't want 557 00:30:40,940 --> 00:30:42,310 Speaker 2: to talk about it, that's. 558 00:30:42,230 --> 00:30:46,410 Speaker 3: That is precisely what happened with my manager. Because he 559 00:30:46,450 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 3: would say to me, Eddie, he would call me Eddie. Eddie, 560 00:30:49,300 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 3: just like, yeah, that's not your business. You know what's 561 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:52,380 Speaker 3: going on. 562 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 5: You're overreacting. You're overreacting. What are you talking about? 563 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 3: And he would make these jokes like, oh, yeah, you're 564 00:30:58,060 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 3: going to put a pool in my backyard with this 565 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,180 Speaker 3: show and this and that. 566 00:31:01,290 --> 00:31:03,350 Speaker 5: And meanwhile, I quite literally did. 567 00:31:03,930 --> 00:31:08,130 Speaker 3: But it was this dismissal of when I would ask 568 00:31:08,210 --> 00:31:12,380 Speaker 3: questions about things. And I was made to feel like, 569 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 3: that's not your area. Just go and go and act, 570 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,820 Speaker 3: go and do, you know what, what you're getting paid 571 00:31:17,860 --> 00:31:18,220 Speaker 3: to do. 572 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 4: Well, I hope people are hearing us say this because 573 00:31:21,660 --> 00:31:24,170 Speaker 4: you can ask the questions. You can put questions even 574 00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:26,110 Speaker 4: in writing. If you're like, Oh, I'm a, I'm not 575 00:31:26,150 --> 00:31:29,410 Speaker 4: a confrontational. Trust me. Even you, you, you'll get an 576 00:31:29,470 --> 00:31:31,750 Speaker 4: email back with somebody saying like, we don't need to 577 00:31:31,790 --> 00:31:33,820 Speaker 4: go over these things now. Like if somebody is not 578 00:31:33,890 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 4: willing to just answer your questions and sort of help 579 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,900 Speaker 4: you understand something, then that's all the answers that you 580 00:31:39,940 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 4: need right there. That's the beginning of goodbye. 581 00:31:41,900 --> 00:31:42,910 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. 582 00:31:43,710 --> 00:31:43,910 Speaker 1: Yeah. 583 00:31:44,030 --> 00:31:46,890 Speaker 2: And you talked about I think you believe that he 584 00:31:46,930 --> 00:31:49,670 Speaker 2: was really managing your business, that he was savvy in 585 00:31:49,780 --> 00:31:55,060 Speaker 2: some way. And I think about just my own my 586 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,140 Speaker 2: husband is he was an accountant. 587 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:01,270 Speaker 1: Now he's an attorney. I trust him implicitly. But guess what? 588 00:32:01,830 --> 00:32:04,870 Speaker 2: I have the financial manager's phone number, too. And at 589 00:32:04,990 --> 00:32:08,550 Speaker 2: any point I have given him a buzz and no 590 00:32:08,590 --> 00:32:09,850 Speaker 2: one's going to argue with me about it. 591 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: And that's sort of, it's learned. 592 00:32:12,260 --> 00:32:15,380 Speaker 2: I don't think at the beginning of my marriage, I 593 00:32:15,860 --> 00:32:18,900 Speaker 2: was like that. At some point, I've heard enough stories, 594 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 2: yours is so powerful, about blind trust. And I don't 595 00:32:23,260 --> 00:32:26,060 Speaker 2: think my husband would ever screw me, but it is 596 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,530 Speaker 2: my responsibility to know about my finances. And I think 597 00:32:28,570 --> 00:32:31,950 Speaker 2: that is going to be very impactful, that part of 598 00:32:31,970 --> 00:32:32,690 Speaker 2: this documentary. 599 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,410 Speaker 4: I hope so. I really do. Because, yeah, I feel 600 00:32:37,430 --> 00:32:41,250 Speaker 4: like not everybody has. Listen, I got blessed and I 601 00:32:41,290 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 4: had good fortune that my fans showed up for me 602 00:32:45,460 --> 00:32:48,380 Speaker 4: at a time that, you know, was a terrible housing 603 00:32:48,420 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 4: crisis and everybody was pinching pennies. Yeah. provided me that 604 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,340 Speaker 4: safety net in that moment to like, keep my, keep 605 00:32:56,380 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 4: a nest egg to, to save my house. Not everybody's 606 00:32:59,540 --> 00:33:01,300 Speaker 4: going to have that chance. Some people are going to 607 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,430 Speaker 4: make good on that one, uh, big win and go, 608 00:33:04,470 --> 00:33:07,590 Speaker 4: now I'm going to try to put this into it. Another, uh, endeavor. 609 00:33:07,970 --> 00:33:10,190 Speaker 4: Maybe that's the money you need to make your actual 610 00:33:10,670 --> 00:33:13,390 Speaker 4: dream come true. So it's like, I implore people like, 611 00:33:13,710 --> 00:33:16,610 Speaker 4: you know, ask the questions, you know, always get things 612 00:33:16,650 --> 00:33:20,780 Speaker 4: in writing no matter what. And, uh, and, the gut 613 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,860 Speaker 4: is still gold. You trust your gut. You know, even, 614 00:33:24,020 --> 00:33:27,780 Speaker 4: even my gut, I knew things were hinky, but you know, 615 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 4: and I, and I make light of it in some sense, 616 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,890 Speaker 4: sometimes in my, in my comedy and maybe even in 617 00:33:32,910 --> 00:33:36,310 Speaker 4: the doc, you saw this. It's like, I jokingly say like, 618 00:33:37,230 --> 00:33:39,590 Speaker 4: if you're ever going to betray, betray with love, it's 619 00:33:39,650 --> 00:33:40,650 Speaker 4: the best card. 620 00:33:40,430 --> 00:33:41,190 Speaker 2: You can play. 621 00:33:41,530 --> 00:33:42,950 Speaker 5: What do you mean? 622 00:33:43,670 --> 00:33:45,530 Speaker 4: Right. It's like people that are going to betray, if 623 00:33:45,550 --> 00:33:48,500 Speaker 4: they're going to betray you, The love betrayal is the 624 00:33:48,540 --> 00:33:50,670 Speaker 4: card they want to play because to have somebody put 625 00:33:50,690 --> 00:33:52,729 Speaker 4: their hand on your shoulder and say, I believe in you, 626 00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:59,260 Speaker 4: it's an instantaneous way of finding that deeper connection. So 627 00:33:59,380 --> 00:34:01,980 Speaker 4: to that person who's hearing me say this, you know, 628 00:34:02,140 --> 00:34:04,210 Speaker 4: when the hand goes on your shoulder. If that person 629 00:34:04,230 --> 00:34:08,280 Speaker 4: really loves you, well, then they've given you the open opportunity. 630 00:34:08,660 --> 00:34:10,820 Speaker 4: You can ask any questions and you can say, I 631 00:34:11,260 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 4: got a weird feeling about something. And they're going to 632 00:34:12,940 --> 00:34:16,140 Speaker 4: love you more by actually wanting to grow the relationship 633 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 4: by asking questions that we all should be asking sometimes 634 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,819 Speaker 4: to the people that we share our security and safety with. 635 00:34:22,140 --> 00:34:22,489 Speaker 1: Amen. 636 00:34:22,930 --> 00:34:23,330 Speaker 3: Amen. 637 00:34:23,790 --> 00:34:27,230 Speaker 5: I have one silly, silly question for the end. 638 00:34:27,250 --> 00:34:28,450 Speaker 4: Oh, those are my favorites. 639 00:34:28,810 --> 00:34:32,110 Speaker 3: Do you ever worry about running into Daryl? 640 00:34:32,170 --> 00:34:32,270 Speaker 4: No. 641 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 3: Oh, I'm like running into Gelson's and there he is buying, 642 00:34:37,260 --> 00:34:38,500 Speaker 3: you know, some lettuce. 643 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:40,860 Speaker 4: I've thought of it, you know, and I would be 644 00:34:40,900 --> 00:34:43,410 Speaker 4: prepared for that. You know, I did put out the 645 00:34:43,790 --> 00:34:45,890 Speaker 4: ask for the documentary of like, I would like to 646 00:34:45,950 --> 00:34:47,770 Speaker 4: sit with you. I would like to sit across from 647 00:34:47,810 --> 00:34:52,010 Speaker 4: you and let's, you know, let's share this story together 648 00:34:52,070 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 4: because regardless of how you see the people in the stock, 649 00:34:56,660 --> 00:35:00,270 Speaker 4: you know, I... it's a celebration as well of the 650 00:35:00,310 --> 00:35:03,090 Speaker 4: love that I had for my brother and the rapport 651 00:35:03,110 --> 00:35:04,010 Speaker 4: that we did have. 652 00:35:04,030 --> 00:35:06,110 Speaker 5: Very much so, that comes across. 653 00:35:06,550 --> 00:35:06,850 Speaker 1: Yes. 654 00:35:07,150 --> 00:35:09,469 Speaker 4: So that's still the guy too, you know, and I 655 00:35:09,530 --> 00:35:11,910 Speaker 4: love his son. I love my nephew and I still 656 00:35:12,070 --> 00:35:14,029 Speaker 4: am very close with my nephew and he looks like 657 00:35:14,090 --> 00:35:16,859 Speaker 4: my brother and he laughs like my brother. And he's 658 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,660 Speaker 4: a good man. And I'm glad that we never, you know, 659 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,259 Speaker 4: let that Get between us, even though I'm sure it's, 660 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 4: it's very difficult. Uh, I I've heard it's sometimes difficult on, 661 00:35:26,940 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 4: on his side of the family. Um, but that being said, 662 00:35:29,980 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 4: I would not have a problem. I might be like, 663 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 4: you know, like, holy, wow. I can't believe I'm in 664 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:36,990 Speaker 4: front of them, but I, I would be ready to 665 00:35:37,469 --> 00:35:38,390 Speaker 4: communicate anything. 666 00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. 667 00:35:39,219 --> 00:35:42,330 Speaker 1: Well, listen, you have done really good work. 668 00:35:42,410 --> 00:35:44,870 Speaker 2: You know, I haven't been portrayed by my brother, but 669 00:35:44,930 --> 00:35:48,190 Speaker 2: I have learned a lot from watching this documentary and 670 00:35:48,210 --> 00:35:51,620 Speaker 2: I have laughed and I have felt very sad for you. 671 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: So it's all the good things. 672 00:35:53,980 --> 00:35:56,760 Speaker 5: It's incredibly well made for sure. 673 00:35:56,940 --> 00:35:57,620 Speaker 1: It really is. 674 00:35:57,780 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 2: And I know it's going to be we know it's 675 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,990 Speaker 2: going to be huge. So congratulations to you, friend. Wow. 676 00:36:04,030 --> 00:36:06,509 Speaker 4: That really means a lot. Thank you for having me here. 677 00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:09,009 Speaker 4: And let's part to this. Let's, you know, I'll wait 678 00:36:09,030 --> 00:36:10,980 Speaker 4: for my own endeavor. Maybe we'll get to do this 679 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:11,739 Speaker 4: again down the line. 680 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 5: Let's do it. We love it. 681 00:36:13,219 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: Amazing. 682 00:36:14,060 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 3: We love it. 683 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:16,460 Speaker 5: Best of luck with everything. 684 00:36:16,500 --> 00:36:18,940 Speaker 3: And I hope this is a, like a really enjoyable 685 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 3: and healing experience for you. The whole. 686 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 4: More like this. It will continue to be. So I 687 00:36:23,980 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 4: appreciate you. 688 00:36:25,180 --> 00:36:25,620 Speaker 5: Awesome. 689 00:36:26,020 --> 00:36:26,819 Speaker 1: Thank you, Dane.