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Speaker 3: Ratings and welcome in hour two of the program.

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Speaker 4: Cruising along here on a beautiful Thursday night, wherever however

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Speaker 4: you're listening. Thank you for being part of our extended family.

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Speaker 4: Go forth and evangelize like a pyramid scheme, grab your

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Speaker 4: friends and family and so on and so on.

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Speaker 5: That's right, Well, water filters down, they'll get ten.

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Speaker 3: I'll wait you out.

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Speaker 5: You'll just sit home and collect checks and take pictures

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Speaker 5: by your car.

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Speaker 4: I'm not thinking about Arthur Art sitting in the kitchen

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Speaker 4: on the King of Queen.

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Speaker 3: I'll wait until you got to take that pill.

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Speaker 5: Like like some, it's tough finding a job out of college,

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Speaker 5: so you're looking for work. I showed up at a

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Speaker 5: presentation once not knowing what that presentation was.

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Speaker 6: Oh my goodness, Mike.

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Speaker 5: It was.

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Speaker 6: It was crazy and it was water filters.

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Speaker 5: It was so just like King of Queens, but I

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Speaker 5: experienced in real life and it was. It's still I

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Speaker 5: still remember like parts of it. They were trying to

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Speaker 5: They wanted me, you show up to this thing. They

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Speaker 5: wanted me to go on a trip with them the

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Speaker 5: next day to Saint Louis, Like like.

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Speaker 6: Like no way, Like it's not gonna happen. I know,

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Speaker 6: I'm twenty two and dumb, but like I'm not that dumb.

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Speaker 3: It was.

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Speaker 4: We all responded to those ads and found ourselves in

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Speaker 4: a room that you slinked out of five minutes.

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Speaker 7: And we all know that those photo albums that had

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Speaker 7: that sticky clear page that would keep the photos in

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Speaker 7: standing by their cars and the checks.

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Speaker 5: That they cashed. Like that was like there was their

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Speaker 5: special photo album. My goodness, I go. I know, I

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Speaker 5: get it, I understand.

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Speaker 6: I was. I don't even want to say I was foolish.

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Speaker 6: I was naive. I didn't understand.

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Speaker 3: Well, we're all looking for a job. We yeah, we're

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Speaker 3: about this. Just a couple of years apart of it.

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Speaker 3: Job market is rough.

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Speaker 4: Now depending on what you're trying to get into, and

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Speaker 4: back then it was it was a miserable experience. You're like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: we all want five years experience. I just graduated college.

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Speaker 4: What do you want from me? I did tasseled corn,

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Speaker 4: filing in the financial aid world.

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Speaker 5: My experience at the Highway fifty one truck stop in

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Speaker 5: a media job or a radio job at the time.

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Speaker 5: He needed that internship, he needed to do stuff, and

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Speaker 5: you also needed to make money. So that's what I

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Speaker 5: was looking to do after college. And I showed up

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Speaker 5: at a presentation. It was as bad as as you could.

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Speaker 5: Everything that they say about it, it's true. It's awful.

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Speaker 4: You just felt filthy and then you went back to

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Speaker 4: that truck stop and you washed up.

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Speaker 4: we chronicled the guy falling in the water as the

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Speaker 4: Browns unveiled their new brown helmet with the help of

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Speaker 4: the dude wipes guy. Again, very curious kind of thing there,

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Speaker 4: But they celebrate the all brown uniform.

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Speaker 3: All that goes to it.

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Speaker 4: But we've been talking about the Browns from the quarterbacking

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Speaker 4: position and trying to figure out and read the tea leads.

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Speaker 3: Of what they go forward with this season.

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Speaker 4: Right, they draft Dylan Gabriel, They draft Shador Sanders, eventually

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Speaker 4: ending everybody's long nightmare. If you were covering the draft,

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Speaker 4: Here's another spot where there might be a quarterback, Nope,

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Speaker 3: Meanwhile, you've got two Super Bowl.

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Speaker 4: currently running with the ones the great Kenny Pickett and

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Speaker 4: Joe Flacco who won Comeback Player of the Year coming

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Speaker 4: off his couch and leading them to the playoffs a

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Speaker 4: couple of years ago. Now, a lot of debate as

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Speaker 4: to how good or poor the roster is. Certainly in

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Speaker 4: But we look at the quarterback position and the battle

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Speaker 4: go when it was seven on seven and we're in

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Speaker 4: off season training and oh, look at the deep ball.

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Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, if he doesn't have someone planting his

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Speaker 4: Poor guy's got no arm left, as we saw in

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Speaker 3: At this point. Everything's underhanded throws to his kids.

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Speaker 4: But except for him, everybody could throw the ball sixty

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Speaker 4: So take all that with a grain assault. But certainly

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Speaker 4: the hepe machine for Shador was out front and center

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Speaker 4: during some of those workouts in camp.

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Speaker 3: Eh, not so much.

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Speaker 4: And now you've got Andrew Berry step into the forefront, going, hey,

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Speaker 4: it's possibility that we come to camp out of camp

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Speaker 4: tow which is a bold strategy Cotton in a league

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Speaker 4: where you value every roster spot. Part of it maybe

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Speaker 4: thinking that long term Flacco or Picket have some value

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Speaker 4: But all of it to say, it is a kind

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Speaker 4: of a curious situation. Let's let's hear from Andrew Berry

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Speaker 4: on the situation he's got with his QBS. Well, quarterbacks,

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Speaker 4: do you see a pathway to have four an opening

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Speaker 3: Is that in light of the asset that a quarterback.

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Speaker 8: Is, We've largely looked at the last five spots for

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Speaker 8: any position. So if there are four that are fifty

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Speaker 8: three man worthy and we think it makes the most

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Speaker 8: sense for us to keep them, Google.

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Speaker 4: Yah, fifty three worthy, those five are developmental. That might

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Speaker 4: be the first time I've ever really heard a GM

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Speaker 5: Sure, I'll tell you what Like, when you go down

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Speaker 5: you'll see beat writers predict the roster. It's kind of

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Speaker 5: like predicting the NCAA tournament teams. You're gonna get fifty

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Speaker 5: It's the last eight or nine that you're not necessarily

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Speaker 5: I think it's an interesting angle on how they do it.

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure how many other teams do it, but

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Speaker 5: I assume that it's more than the Cleveland Browns. I

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Speaker 5: you going to keep? Is the plan to keep four quarterbacks?

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Speaker 5: It was do you see a pathway? Well, of course, yeah,

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Speaker 5: it just may not be realistic. There may be ninety

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Speaker 5: nine other ones that only have three. I just you

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Speaker 6: If you're the Browns.

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Speaker 5: Sitting there, aren't you kind of looking at the same

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Speaker 5: looking If so, there's something the opportunity, yes else around

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Speaker 5: The I just don't know how you would keep that.

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Speaker 5: Like the Seahawks, for example, are gonna have three quarterbacks

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Speaker 5: and Starnold lock in Jalen Milroe who the drafted. Well,

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Speaker 5: you can use mill Row in a lot of different spots.

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Speaker 5: It'll be interesting to see how they do their roster.

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Speaker 6: But you get you gotta.

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Speaker 5: Put shudor Sanders on practice squad like like what like,

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Speaker 5: I just it doesn't It doesn't make a lot of

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think some of it plays to what we

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Speaker 4: were talking about a little bit last night in terms of,

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Speaker 4: you know, your public speaking points. As much as we

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Speaker 4: Maybe got a mouthpiece. It's early camp. You give us

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Speaker 4: on the yard, right, But why upset the room at

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Speaker 4: this point if you legitimately see a path not not

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Speaker 4: the pathway to the four guys, but the you're gonna

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Speaker 4: because in another week's time that starts to funnel down, right,

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Speaker 3: To run some routes and stuff.

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Speaker 4: But all of that to say yeah, we don't it's

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Speaker 4: for any bit that they can run on. Shouldeur Sanders right?

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Speaker 4: Because in our media, in our media space, right, you've

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Speaker 4: the lebron James. It could be the most innocuous comment possible,

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Speaker 4: but we're going to dissect it in voice inflection if

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Speaker 4: we have video of it. How was he sitting, did

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Speaker 4: his eyebrow raise? Who was he looking at? Did he

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Speaker 4: do all that, and anything we get about Shouldear Sanders

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Speaker 4: has been the same thing. How do we bring Dion's

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Speaker 4: name into it? How do we talk about whatever it is? Nepotism, legacy, history,

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Speaker 4: does he get a fair shake? Is it because of

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Speaker 4: the family name?

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Speaker 3: Throw out?

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Speaker 4: You know your your call sign and see where where

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Speaker 4: the bodies land in terms of, you know, the vote

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Speaker 4: of your audience in that moment, kind of like it's

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Speaker 4: a reality show where you have to survive to the

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Speaker 4: next week. But for Shugara Sanders, that's what you get, right,

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Speaker 4: it's grist for the mill. Dylan Gabriel just going to

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Speaker 4: work right, Nobody cares. Maybe he shows up, maybe he plays,

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Speaker 4: maybe he doesn't. He's the fourth guy in this race,

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Speaker 4: even though he was drafted before Shadur. But it feels

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Speaker 4: like from a pr standpoint, I mean, there's gonna be

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Speaker 4: a lot of want If you're the Browns, they're selling

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Speaker 4: a lot of jerseys and whatever else. The worst thing

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Speaker 4: in the world would be the yeah, he's just not

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Speaker 5: like so when I hear something like that of North

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Speaker 5: Carolina to the SEC, because I think you could if

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Speaker 5: North Carolina went to the Big Ten, it's better news

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Speaker 5: for Maryland right now, Maryland's got another close arrival from

442
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Speaker 5: the old league past. You would have had that matchup

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Speaker 5: and rivalries would would take shape and they would change anyway.

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Speaker 5: But that seemed like much more of a fit. I'm

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Speaker 5: surprised that North Carolina would go to the SEC, But

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Speaker 5: I'm more worried about the dominoes four.

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Speaker 6: And five steps down the line if something like that

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Speaker 6: were to happen.

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Speaker 4: You mean, like when Texas State became part of the

450
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Speaker 4: PAC twelve and things of that nature. But it's always

451
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Speaker 4: the thing, like you know, me being the big ten

452
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Speaker 4: apologists that I've been ever since I started painting my

453
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Speaker 4: face purple in going to games and going to my

454
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Speaker 4: alma mater there in the larger Chicago area in beautiful Evanston.

455
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Speaker 4: As they build their new stadium and everything else, always

456
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Speaker 4: that fear of relegation, particularly in an age where academics

457
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Speaker 4: doesn't have the same juice that it did even five

458
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Speaker 4: years ago, right where we might have laughed about it, Yeah,

459
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Speaker 4: guys going to school whatever, there were some sterious students

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Speaker 4: at every school, like it shouldn't have been dismissed categorically.

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Speaker 4: But on the larger scale, as we started talking about

462
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Speaker 4: college football with multiple bees in the dollar amounts that

463
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Speaker 4: were being transacted for media rights, bowl systems and everything else,

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Speaker 4: then it changed the tone and tenor to where the

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Speaker 4: academic well, we need to have the strong academic school around,

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Speaker 4: even if they're smaller and only rise up once at

467
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Speaker 4: a blue moon. Well, in the new world order, if

468
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Speaker 4: these guys are going to sign on here and we

469
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Speaker 4: start figuring out what the cap is for the right

470
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Speaker 4: size of a conference, well Northwestern could be one of

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Speaker 4: those teams that gets pushed off to the side and

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Speaker 4: all of a sudden it's Northwestern, Duke Cal and whoever

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Speaker 4: you're right right, the whatever, the you know, the inappropriate

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Speaker 4: I guess, uh non PC, redheaded stepchild of each of

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Speaker 4: those conferences. Suddenly they ban and together is the land

476
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Speaker 4: of misfit toys?

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Speaker 3: Is that what we're headed to?

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Speaker 4: Because I look at the logos of the current PAC

479
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Speaker 4: twelve conference and I just shake my head yeah as

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Speaker 4: to what they've reconstituted with of hey, what do you

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Speaker 4: got you in?

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Speaker 6: Sure?

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Speaker 5: And just even the ACC this past year where SMU

484
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Speaker 5: fared pretty well in their first first year in the

485
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Speaker 5: in the new league when it comes to college football,

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Speaker 5: but to have Cal and Stanford playing in that league

487
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Speaker 5: is just absurd. At some point, Mike, I think something's

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Speaker 5: got to change with that. But why North Carolina is

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Speaker 5: so interesting? We knew that Clemson and Florida State, for

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Speaker 5: college football reasons were probably the reason why we thought

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Speaker 5: those schools would jump to the SEC.

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Speaker 6: Also their location.

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Speaker 5: But North Carolina is in a spot where you could

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Speaker 5: be in Big Ten country, you could expand it. I

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Speaker 5: don't think the Big Ten would want to expand to

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Speaker 5: the state of South Carolina and bring Clemson, and that

497
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Speaker 5: was never a case Florida. I just I don't necessarily

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Speaker 5: see like a Florida state coming in in that scenario.

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Speaker 5: But North Carolina was the one because again research school

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Speaker 5: as well great.

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Speaker 6: For the Big Ten.

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Speaker 5: North Carolina is the was the prized school really in

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Speaker 5: all of this, and who you'd want to bring in

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Speaker 5: And if there was any school outside of Notre Dame

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Speaker 5: that the Big Ten probably go after, it would be

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Speaker 5: North Carolina. So to have this report to say that

507
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Speaker 5: they're angling towards the SEC, I haven't seen a lot

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Speaker 5: of people follow up on it and say like, yeah,

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Speaker 5: this could be something, But then it would trigger a

510
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Speaker 5: lot and then you'd have to wonder what it would

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Speaker 5: trigger with the Big Twelve. So you know, what does

512
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Speaker 5: where does the Big Ten then look for other options

513
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Speaker 5: to try to expand. Granted there are two schools ahead

514
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Speaker 5: right now. Having an eighteen team school league as opposed

515
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Speaker 5: to sixteen with the SEC. But there's yeah, there would

516
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Speaker 5: be the three and four steps down the line, and

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Speaker 5: then yeah, what happens to all of those those NC

518
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Speaker 5: states in Virginia's and Big ten some yeah, but others

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Speaker 5: probably not.

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Speaker 4: But just think how quickly this all came to bear, right,

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Speaker 4: I was going through and you know how you get

522
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Speaker 4: the suggested for you on this date kind of thing,

523
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Speaker 4: whatever social media platform you're on, something you might have

524
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Speaker 4: posted years hence, Facebook, Instagram, whatever, and mine was you know,

525
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Speaker 4: it's like a five year anniversary to the restart of

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Speaker 4: Major League Baseball, is what we're at, like yesterday into today,

527
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Speaker 4: and in that time, how much has changed in the

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Speaker 4: landscape of what was once college sports. You grew up

529
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Speaker 4: watching and loving it and the rivalries and the pageantry

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Speaker 4: and the bomp and circumstance, and it's something that you

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Speaker 4: try to hold on to, Like we're talking about, you know,

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Speaker 4: the silly battles of territories and wrestling from our childhood.

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Speaker 4: And you know who ended up getting paired up and

534
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Speaker 4: how many you know, non television dates they did in

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Speaker 4: the territories, like yeah, they wrestled two hundred times, you know,

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Speaker 4: in dark matches, and then they showed up at a

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Speaker 4: pay per view, so it was well choreographed and whatever.

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Speaker 4: But they were rivalries and they built out on the

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Speaker 4: stage over time. We're trying to figure out new world orders, like, hey,

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Speaker 4: this coach moved there, does he have any tie to

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Speaker 4: any of those teams that we could create some sort

542
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Speaker 4: of chaos. Two And just as you start to settle

543
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Speaker 4: in on all right, here's the new world for this conference.

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Speaker 3: Just wait, it's gonna change.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, totally is.

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Speaker 5: And here's here's the crazy thing about it, to instead

547
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Speaker 5: of looking ahead to maybe if North Carolina leaves for

548
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Speaker 5: the SEC, to look back and no matter what James

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Speaker 5: Franklin says, and I know we'll get to that at

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Speaker 5: some point. Looking back. I mentioned SMU look at Arizona State,

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Speaker 5: Look at Oregon, look at Texas. Texas may have been

552
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Speaker 5: where they were in the Big twelve, where they were

553
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Speaker 5: in the SEC because of.

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Speaker 6: How good they were.

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Speaker 5: Oregon obviously would have been a contender in the Pac

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Speaker 5: twelve if that league would have stayed together. But Oregon

557
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Speaker 5: Ohio State thriller on a Saturday night in Eugene, taking

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Speaker 5: away the Rose Bowl game against Ohio State the second

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Speaker 5: time around on New Year's Day. That Saturday night game

560
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Speaker 5: was an absolute win the on NBC the network win,

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Speaker 5: Arizona State joins, a new league, goes from the bottom

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Speaker 5: to the top. Win, SMU joins. The ACC says, we

563
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Speaker 5: don't even want your money, we just want to be

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Speaker 5: in the league. Guess what you're playing at Penn State

565
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Speaker 5: in the first, you know, week out of the College

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Speaker 5: Football Playoff. For as much as we hate all of

567
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Speaker 5: this and are saying like this doesn't make sense, there

568
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Speaker 5: are points of success in every single league with the

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Speaker 5: new additions.

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Speaker 6: That we have had.

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Speaker 5: So if your other schools in seeing that, geez, I

572
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Speaker 5: want what they have.

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Speaker 6: I want like that.

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Speaker 5: So there's we can you know, the old school and

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Speaker 5: I'm literally talking to myself here, like I can get

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Speaker 5: playing all I want that col's playing a game at

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Speaker 5: Wake Forest or vice versa.

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Speaker 6: But when you look at the schools that hit last.

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Speaker 5: Year, it's like four for four when you're talking about

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Speaker 5: those leagues and what actually was a success for the

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Speaker 5: new school.

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Speaker 4: So now it becomes the all right, let's press our luck.

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Speaker 4: Would you like to push more? I mean, you mentioned

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Speaker 4: James Franklin. We'll talk about his big ten media. He

585
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Speaker 4: had a lot to say about a lot of things.

586
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Speaker 4: But they're in Las Vegas. So this is literally just

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Speaker 4: all right, just let it ride kind of thing. We

588
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Speaker 4: were four for four.

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Speaker 3: Let's see what the next iteration is.

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Speaker 4: And look, it's like building a farm system major League

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Speaker 4: Baseball or what you're trying to build in an organization

592
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Speaker 4: at your work of Like, all right, here's our best practices.

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Speaker 4: This has just gotta work. Right, It's all gonna work.

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Speaker 4: Like I look back to when the Cubs won the

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Speaker 4: World Series. Yeah, they had a couple of guys that

596
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Speaker 4: they brought from the outside, but a lot of it

597
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Speaker 4: was that homegrown guy.

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Speaker 3: So it's gonna work forever.

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Speaker 9: Now.

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Speaker 4: I worked a year and then it blew up, and

601
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Speaker 4: maybe this will too. Maybe we see some normalization, particularly

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Speaker 4: as we look at money and the divides there. But

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Speaker 4: if we get some normalization with some of it, where's

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Speaker 4: the disincentive for any of it? Right when you're you're

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Speaker 4: out there and the dollars from the TV networks and

606
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Speaker 4: everything keeps flowing, to say, what do we lose if

607
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Speaker 4: we if we by trying. Yeah, at first we come

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Speaker 4: back to a conference that's struggling because they'll welcome us

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Speaker 4: back with open arms. Sure, if this doesn't work and

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Speaker 4: we you know, we it's a bad sandbox and we're

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Speaker 4: not welcomed in and it's a failure, we don't compete,

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Speaker 4: and after a year or two whatever, it's like a

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Speaker 4: you know, a thirty day trial on something.

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Speaker 3: Now I'd like to return this. It's going to change anyway.

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Speaker 6: So it'll change again and again.

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Speaker 4: So maybe maybe you just say, all right, let's let's

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Speaker 4: give it the old college try literally and if it fails, hey,

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Speaker 4: let's go back to the status quo.

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Speaker 5: Now, maybe it wouldn't have worked for Arizona State jumping

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Speaker 5: to the Big Ten, but like in the way that

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Speaker 5: alignment worked, I mean there was this success. Like look

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Speaker 5: at Oregon last year, you know the Ohio State win

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Speaker 5: that I mentioned, and just looking at their schedule they

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Speaker 5: won a tight game against Wisconsin.

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Speaker 6: How much do you think they missed? I mean, they

626
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Speaker 6: still get to play Washington, they still get to play.

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Speaker 3: Us, still get a few of those teams that are yeah,

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Speaker 3: you don't have this.

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Speaker 5: You know, you had the Civil War in a non

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Speaker 5: conference game, so that was different.

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Speaker 4: But I don't know if Oregon would go back, you

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Speaker 4: know so, especially when the monies are what they are. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you know what your direction is, and you have the

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Speaker 4: recruiting tool that is the Big ten network and all

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Speaker 4: of the ancillary TV slots that are allotted the Big

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Speaker 4: Ten let alone what looks like will eventually get our

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Speaker 4: four automatic qualifiers from the conference. Yeah, I don't think

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Speaker 4: you're going back. No, and un ringing that bell. Be

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Speaker 4: sure to check out the Fox Sports Radio YouTube channel.

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Speaker 4: Search Fox Sports Radio on YouTube. You'll see a whole

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Speaker 4: And now it's time to go over to Monsie Belognos. Well,

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Speaker 4: he is trying to push me.

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Speaker 3: Along into baseball directly. Guys. We got one game.

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Speaker 11: Going on Angels games at the start, but Seattle has

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Speaker 11: come back. Julia Rodriguez homwer to tie the game and

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Speaker 11: then ran Diatto Satay.

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Speaker 3: Now that was for you.

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Speaker 11: Dan hit a two run shot and now Seattle is

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Speaker 11: up on the Angels three to one after six innings.

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Speaker 11: Seattle also making other moves ahead of the trade deadline.

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Speaker 11: Which is sept for a week from today, Thursday, July thirty, first,

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Speaker 11: at six Eastern. The Mariners have acquired first baseman Josh

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Speaker 11: Naylor from the Diamondbacks. The other games in baseball, while

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Speaker 11: the A's had a five to two win over the Astros,

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Speaker 11: the Cardinals defeated the Padres nine to seven. The Blue

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Speaker 11: Jays handed the Tigers another loss. Detroit is one to

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Speaker 11: ten in their last eleven games, as Toronto beat them

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Speaker 11: today eleven to four, and the Oils avoided the sweep

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Speaker 11: as they took down the Guardians four to three. You

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Speaker 11: know what else happens a week from today, guys?

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Speaker 6: Football?

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Speaker 11: That's right, the Hall of Fame game between the Chargers

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Speaker 11: and the Lions. Football is pretty much here. The Raiders

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Speaker 11: are releasing defensive tackle Christian Wilkins, just one year after

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Speaker 11: he signed a four year, one hundred and ten million

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Speaker 11: dollars deal. The team is avoiding his remaining guarantees. How

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Speaker 11: he's handled his foot injury rehab, and he has filed

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Speaker 11: eight agreements. Kansas men's basketball coach Bill Self was hospitalized

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Speaker 11: and underwent a heart procedure after feeling unwell and experiencing

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Speaker 11: concerning symptoms, but the procedure went well and he is

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Speaker 11: currently recovering back to you guys beautiful.

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Speaker 4: Thanks Moncy. I was thinking about it's like the thirty

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Speaker 4: first pay day. Yeah, no pay game.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, pay day is the next day.

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Speaker 3: Yes, right the evening.

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Speaker 6: It's different for different employees.

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Speaker 3: Oh but around that time.

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Speaker 4: It's around that time my first installment comes to no

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Speaker 4: at Manzy Belanias is where you find her.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Right after the show, the podcast goes up.

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Speaker 6: I owe the company money, so there, Yeah, that's a

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Speaker 6: different way round.

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Speaker 4: Well you know, I mean like the EBB and flow

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Speaker 4: paid pay to play and show your own ads.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Right after the show, the podcast goes up. If you

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Speaker 4: missed any of today's show, be sure to listen to

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Speaker 4: the podcast. Search Jason Smith and Mike Harmon and Dan

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Speaker 4: of course, building a global empire again. Search Jason Smith,

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Speaker 4: Mike Harmon. Wherever you get your podcast, you'll find today's

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Speaker 4: show and a best a version posted right after we

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Speaker 4: get off the air. Thanks to Justin and Alex making

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Speaker 4: a sound so pretty, the guys in the back, and

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Speaker 4: of course Moncie at the News as Dan Byer in

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Speaker 4: for Jason Smith at Dan Byro at Fox where you

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Speaker 4: find him, follow us all at Fox Sports Radio, and

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Speaker 4: follow me over at Swollen Dome. I'd like to take

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Speaker 4: a turn down that Christian Wilkins Highway a curiosity considering

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Speaker 4: you're now asking a union that has no leadership to

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Speaker 4: fight for you.

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Speaker 6: Good luck.

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Speaker 3: But there will still be lawyers and lawyering they will do.

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Speaker 2: We'll be sure to catch live editions of The Jason

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Speaker 2: Smith Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern,

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Speaker 2: seven pm Pacific.

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Speaker 4: Hey, welcome back in Fox Sports Radio Jason Smith Show

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Speaker 4: with me Mike Harmon. Here on a beautiful Thursday night,

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Speaker 4: heading George Friday morning. Maybe you're heading to the Fantastic Four.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. Don't spoil it for me.

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Speaker 4: Tell me how it was at Fox Sports Radio at

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Speaker 4: Swollen Dome.

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Speaker 3: Get Dan over at dan Byron Fox.

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Speaker 4: You got memories of your wwe WWF childhood. You got

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Speaker 4: some cool stuff in the box you left in your parents'

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Speaker 4: basement that they forced back on you because.

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Speaker 3: They're tired of your crap.

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Speaker 4: Let me know, let me see what those the paint

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Speaker 4: missing from your action figures look like maybe the old

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Speaker 4: wooden wrestling ring that you'd get slivers on, you know,

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Speaker 4: all of those.

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Speaker 5: Things, those action figures back in the day, the rings

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Speaker 5: that they would have for the wrestling thing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and then you have the thumb wrestlers. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 4: yeah yeah, those those are great. So many others. I

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Speaker 4: was showing you some of the Newfound fangle ones. They're

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Speaker 4: not cheap, but they look pretty good, almost scary in

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Speaker 4: their likenesses.

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Speaker 5: Just like I was just gonna say, if hopefully in

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Speaker 5: thirty years, like dinosaurs are really like popular, because then

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Speaker 5: my son's going to have that's all over, that's all

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Speaker 5: over the floor, like I probably had Star Wars figurings

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Speaker 5: when I was younger.

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Speaker 6: It's just straight dinosaurs right now. That's all. It is,

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Speaker 6: a big, little, tiny any size.

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Speaker 4: Everything old is new again. Yes, they'll still be making

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Speaker 4: more Jurassic Parts movies.

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Speaker 5: See some Jurassic World whatever will be worth something in

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Speaker 5: thirty years.

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Speaker 6: They're a lot of the box mike, but still.

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Speaker 4: That's all right, as long as they retain some of

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Speaker 4: their movement and paint, and if they have the electronic

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Speaker 4: chips to roar that those are still functions.

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Speaker 5: Hopefully so many thirty years from now will want a

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Speaker 5: Moses Saurus with three fins, because that's what's happening. That

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Speaker 5: happened one of them unfortunately broke off. But oh well,

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Speaker 5: what can you do?

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Speaker 3: Dan?

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Speaker 4: I had a giant box of Star Wars toys. Ask

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Speaker 4: me what value they are?

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Speaker 3: Zero?

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Speaker 4: You know I because if you lost the Lightsaber fight,

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Speaker 4: guess what you lost?

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Speaker 3: An armor?

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Speaker 4: I had no harm and how it's all true. Boy,

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Speaker 4: we were problematic. I probably should have been seen by people. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: A guy who's going to be looking to see a

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Speaker 4: lot of people, and that is a group of lawyers,

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Speaker 4: maybe some of those that are off the highways here

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Speaker 4: in Los Angeles. But the Raiders release defensive tackle Christian Wilkins,

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Speaker 4: voiding thirty five point two million dollars in guaranteed money

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Speaker 4: over how he chose to rehab an injured foot sustained

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Speaker 4: last year fifth game of the season. Now, going back

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Speaker 4: to March of twenty four, let's take the larger picture,

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Speaker 4: four year deal, one hundred and ten million dollars, played

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Speaker 4: five games, hurt his foot, Liz Frank injury, and then

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Speaker 4: you have surgery you begin the rehab process. Still wasn't right.

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Speaker 4: As they were getting closer to camp, Raiders wanted him

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Speaker 4: to go through another surgery, didn't feel that he'd done

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Speaker 4: perhaps what was prescribed in terms of the rehabilitation. Weren't

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Speaker 4: happy with where he was. And then they released a

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Speaker 4: statement quote, we've decided it's our best interests and the

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Speaker 4: organization to move on from Christian Wilkins, and he's been

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Speaker 4: informed of his release from the team, the franchise as

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Speaker 4: and here it is commitment to excellence. The C and

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Speaker 4: the E capitalized on and off the field with no

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Speaker 4: clear path or plan for future return to play from Christian.

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Speaker 4: This transaction is necessary for the entire organization to move

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Speaker 4: forward and prepare for the new season. Just a couple

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Speaker 4: of days ago we had Jared Smith on he's out

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Speaker 4: in Las Vegas and looking and analyzing and look at

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Speaker 4: the Raiders as a perhaps with a little bit of

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Speaker 4: defensive prowess up front, led by Wilkins return whenever, that

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Speaker 4: would be that perhaps the front would be that much

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Speaker 4: better and more improved with some more free reign from

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Speaker 4: Max Crosby to recavoc Instead, it's a final Pete Carroll

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Speaker 4: it's been a difficult recovery, and he's done everything he

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Speaker 4: needs to do. He's been here every day, he's here

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Speaker 4: working hard. He's not ready to get back out. We're

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Speaker 4: in the midst of a long, challenging process. Fortunately there's

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Speaker 4: a lot of time. We're going to take every bit

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Speaker 4: of it to be really diligent about the way we work.

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Speaker 4: That was from May and now here we are at

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Speaker 4: the end of July and the tune has changed. He's

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Speaker 4: unavailable and now we'll get a giant fight, kind of

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Speaker 4: like we were talking about with the Cincinnati Bengals with

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Speaker 4: their first round pick and language about availability and how

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Speaker 4: you go through processes and you're holding up your end

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Speaker 4: of the bargain. I think this is gonna be a

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Speaker 4: great fight. But we'll see what from the player's side,

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Speaker 4: with all the turmoil they've got, who's actually ready to

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Speaker 4: pick up the torch?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe not much of a defense because there's nobody

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Speaker 5: there to defend him at this point. What I find

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Speaker 5: interesting is this is not any different from this situation's different,

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Speaker 5: But when Pete Carroll went to Seattle, lots of changeover,

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Speaker 5: lots of it, players circling in and out here and

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Speaker 5: there and everywhere, and so you're one with the Raiders,

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Speaker 5: John Spytech the new general manager. If it's not working,

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Speaker 5: move on and do what you have to do now.

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Speaker 5: Fighting for the money that he had over the disagreement

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Speaker 5: on how you rehab completely different story. But for a

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Speaker 5: guy he played five games last year and I was

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Speaker 5: having a foot injury enter this season, I'm not sure

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Speaker 5: how much value you were going to get in twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty five anyway. So if Pete Carroll's are in his

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Speaker 5: first year, he didn't bring in Christian Wilkins last year.

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Speaker 5: John Spytek didn't bring in Christian Wilkins last year. Why

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Speaker 5: do they care? They'll figure out a way it works

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Speaker 5: out for him, fine if not, but it's another way

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Speaker 5: of Pete Carroll putting his stamp on this team.

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Speaker 6: They moved through a lot of players.

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Speaker 5: And despite the disagreement, I'm sure they would have loved

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Speaker 5: to have had him healthy if he was on the field,

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Speaker 5: but he wasn't.

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Speaker 6: And now you're going to have this battle. They have

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Speaker 6: no time for it.

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Speaker 3: Move on.

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Speaker 4: You got a lot of young players in the mix

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Speaker 4: and a lot of names that if you're really deep

835
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Speaker 4: into college football, you probably are like, all right, that

836
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Speaker 4: guy could play a little bit. That guy, but in

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Speaker 4: terms of established players alongside Max Crosby, it's pretty thin.

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Speaker 5: I came up with an idea on Monday, and Christian

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Speaker 5: Wilkins can now be a part of it. I saw

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Speaker 5: a Raiders jersey in a storefront at a mall and

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Speaker 5: it was number two and it was Ashton genty obviously,

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Speaker 5: and I thought, gosh, is that JaMarcus Russell. I want

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Speaker 5: to build a store of just old bad jerseys or

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Speaker 5: jerseys of guys that they just didn't pan out, So

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Speaker 5: like the Raiders would have JaMarcus Russell, Antonio Brown, and

846
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Speaker 5: you could add Christian Wilkins. Don't laugh justin Frostburg because

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Speaker 5: there's a Ryan leaf one hanging at the Chargers. Trust me, Like,

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Speaker 5: I think those are gonna be so popular, wouldn't it be.

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Speaker 3: I think you could sell yes.

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Speaker 4: I just remember when Cutler was finally gone from Chicago.

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Speaker 4: I got a jersey for five dollars. He's dad on Mike.

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Speaker 4: We continue back in the NFL next