1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: Are we ready to go? Okay, Mom, we're gonna do 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: a little rapid fire. 3 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 2: Okay, are you ready? Yes? 4 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:11,120 Speaker 1: Describe me in one word as a baby angelic? 5 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 2: Wow? 6 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: Okay? 7 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,479 Speaker 3: What is one word you would use to describe me 8 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 3: as a teenager? 9 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 2: Friendly? 10 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: Oh? 11 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 2: Shocked? You said that? Caring what you're being? 12 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: Nice? What's one word you used to describe me? Now? 13 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 2: Adorable? Come on, all right, I'll take it. I'll take it. 14 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:36,599 Speaker 3: I'll take it. 15 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 2: Let's keep going. Yes or no? 16 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: Do you think New York has changed me for the better? 17 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,639 Speaker 2: I do love New York City. I'm glad you're here. 18 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 2: It's a great experience. But I think when you come 19 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:49,599 Speaker 2: back to Tennessee you're a little more cinnered. 20 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 3: So the answer is no, I'm not sure I have 21 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:57,319 Speaker 3: an answer, right right? 22 00:00:58,200 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: Okay? Who is your favorite child? 23 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:05,119 Speaker 2: Oh? On any given day, it could be anybody. 24 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 1: That's so true. But I'm not your background photo right now? 25 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 2: Anna? Is that's true? That's true? 26 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: I used to be number one? 27 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 2: Well, I was. It comes in good. It just depends. 28 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: I will take my place my. 29 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 2: Life one night. She was, yeah, she was, you know, yeah, we. 30 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 3: All take our turn to number one, and that's fine. Okay, 31 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 3: on a scale from one to ten. Yes, how nervous 32 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 3: are you for this interview? 33 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: Give it a number. 34 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 2: I'm getting more nervous as we get into No, I 35 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 2: wasn't nervous. Now, I'm like, you know, you're like, the 36 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 2: lights are okay. 37 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: What's your number? 38 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 2: Ah? Seven seven for nervous four. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, 39 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 2: it's fine. 40 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 3: Earlier this year, both my mom and my dad happened 41 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 3: to be visiting New York at the same time with 42 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 3: their respective partners. To my fellow children of divorce, you 43 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 3: know how bad this can go. But here's the twist. 44 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 3: I wasn't nervous. I was excited. I thought, what if 45 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 3: I got everyone in the same room. What if, for 46 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 3: at least one time, we could be one big, functional, beautiful, 47 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,679 Speaker 3: blended family. Before any of that could happen, though, I 48 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 3: knew I needed to check in with my mom, and 49 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 3: because I have a podcast about healing from old wounds, 50 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 3: we of course had to do it on min You 51 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 3: might remember that my mom lives in Tennessee with her mother, Mimimi, 52 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 3: the woman who inspired this whole voiceover journey, And honestly, 53 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 3: what better way to understand me than by hearing my 54 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 3: mom talk about her own path through love, heartbreak, and 55 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:56,519 Speaker 3: the patterns the women in my family keep repeating, I'm 56 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 3: hopewondered and welcome to Boysover, a space where we're learning 57 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 3: and on learning. All the myths were taught about love 58 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 3: and relationships. Today I have in the studio the woman, 59 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 3: the myth, the legend. My mom Sharon Woodard, Hi, mom, Hello, 60 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 3: A little bit about my mom. She's a high school 61 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 3: marketing teacher, a cheerleading coach. She was once my cheerleading 62 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 3: coach until I quit to join the marching band, which Mom, you. 63 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: Were supportive of. 64 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 2: I did support it. 65 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 3: Yeah you thought it was a good move. Yeah, Okay, 66 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 3: you live in Tennessee, but you do. I would say, 67 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 3: have a new Yorker's heart. My first ever trip to 68 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 3: New York was with my mom, a field trip she organized. 69 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 3: You would chaperone a bunch of high schoolers on a 70 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 3: flight to Newark, and then you'd take them on public 71 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 3: transit into Manhattan. 72 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: I tell people this story. 73 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 3: About you all the time because I think it's such 74 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 3: a flex Another fun fact about you, and one I 75 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 3: am deeply proud of, is that you used to organize 76 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 3: the Dillard's fashion shows. 77 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: In the early two thousand. 78 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 3: Back when malls weren't just malls, they were like true 79 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 3: community spaces. And speaking of the malls, that is where 80 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 3: you met my dad, I did your ex husband? 81 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 2: True? 82 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: Can you walk me through what meeting him was like? 83 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 2: Sure, I was doing a scarf demonstration and my picture 84 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 2: had run in the newspaper and this tall, attractive man 85 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 2: walked in with a with a solid hairline, amazing hair 86 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 2: and said, Hi, I'd liked about scarf. I was like, okay, 87 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 2: mm hmm, I said, and who is it for? And 88 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 2: he said, I said your wife. He said, no, my mom. 89 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 2: I was like okay, because I just moved to Tullahoma. 90 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 2: You know, there wasn't a lot going on in Tellahoma, Tennessee. 91 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 3: So I thought, okay, and you thought green flag, Yes, 92 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:55,559 Speaker 3: scarf for mom, green flag? 93 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 2: And so he did say we went picked out a scarf. 94 00:04:58,200 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 2: He said, actually I had seen your picture in the paper. 95 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 2: I came to meet you and I said, oh great, 96 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 2: uh And he said, would you like to go to 97 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 2: lunch one day? Sure? Maybe dinner? Okay, how about tonight? Great? 98 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 2: Same day, same night day? Yes? Wow? And there yeah, 99 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 2: And it was a hit. 100 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 3: It was It was Yeah, you knew Dad for how 101 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 3: many months before y'all got married? 102 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 2: I think we knew each other three months. We got engaged, 103 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 2: and we got married three months from the engagement. 104 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 3: And before dad, you were engaged to someone else for 105 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 3: how long? 106 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 2: I was? We dated for about four years? 107 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: You dated four years and got engaged and then what'd 108 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 1: you do? 109 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 2: Well? We did break up. I just did not feel 110 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 2: like I was giving him what he was giving me, 111 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 2: and I wanted him to have the same kind of 112 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 2: you know situation you feld really, I mean he was, 113 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 2: he was wonderful and precious and everything, but you ended 114 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 2: the engagement. I did because then I was, you know, 115 00:05:57,839 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 2: just I just wanted him to have more. I just 116 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 2: feel like I I felt like I was not as 117 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 2: in it as he was, you know what I'm saying, 118 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 2: and so I wanted him to find that he deserved it, 119 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 2: you know there? 120 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think that difference was? 121 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 2: Though? 122 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 3: Like being with someone for four years and then really 123 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 3: being and then being like, I love you so much, 124 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 3: I need to let you go, versus being with someone 125 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 3: for three months. 126 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 2: I think I was swept off my feet. I think 127 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 2: it was like bing bang boom. I think I had 128 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 2: just moved back to Tullahoma. I thought, I'm here, We're 129 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 2: gonna have kids, We're gonna have to start a family. 130 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 2: Let's do this. And that's kind of exactly what happened. 131 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: It was all happening so fast. 132 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and it just made like it felt like 133 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 3: it made it made sense. 134 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:36,919 Speaker 2: Right. 135 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 1: Until time goes on, fast forward twenty five or so years. 136 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 2: You know, things get out of hand. You have four kids, 137 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 2: it gets kai, right. 138 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 3: Right, So you and dad split up when I was 139 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 3: like in the seventh grade or so. Well, it started 140 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 3: when I was in the seventh grade, right, So y'all 141 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 3: split when I was in high school. 142 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 2: Right. 143 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: It was an extended process, right. 144 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 2: It took about five years for us, which is a 145 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 2: little course, this a little long time. 146 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: Impressive kind of. 147 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 3: If you could go back and say something to that 148 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 3: younger version of yourself, what's the advice you would give 149 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 3: to yourself? 150 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 2: Then calm down, take a deep breath. It's all gonna 151 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 2: be fine, gonna be fine. 152 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, steaks are low. Yes, we came up with that 153 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 3: motto steaks are low. That one time we were trying 154 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 3: to get me me out of the bathtub. 155 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 2: That's true, because I was having a nervous breakdown as 156 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 2: I do often do, as we do when things get tense, 157 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 2: and you were trying to get me, me out, and 158 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 2: then I said, just let me sit with her steaks, 159 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 2: take a deep breath, sometimes exit the room. I'll take 160 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 2: care of this. You're very good, you're very calm. 161 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 3: But speaking of Mimi, when Mimi and granddaddy split, when 162 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 3: you were around the same age as I was, can 163 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 3: you tell me about that. 164 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 2: Well, how did it feel when they split? My dad 165 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 2: was a Texan and he was a pretty hard headed, 166 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 2: hardcore sort of you know, and so I was like, yeah, 167 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 2: he was in freedom, you know who. So you were like, 168 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 2: we're home. 169 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, So you wanted to get away from Granddaddy. 170 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 2: Well, not that, I just he was pretty intense about 171 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 2: protecting me. And that's a beautiful thing. And if I 172 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 2: had realized that at the time, it would have been great. 173 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 2: I think young girls don't realize that that's just trying 174 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 2: to protect you. You know, he knows what's out there 175 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 2: and he's not trying to control you or run your life. 176 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 2: He just wants to make sure you're safe. 177 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, you were felt 178 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: some relief. 179 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 2: Maybe a little, just because I got to do what 180 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 2: I wanted to do and that that was the thing, 181 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 2: where than you and I think when you're a teen, 182 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 2: that's all you care about, doing what you want to do, 183 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 2: you know, I mean, you think you know better, you 184 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 2: think you're smarter than everybody else, you know, and then 185 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 2: you turn thirty and you're like, WHOA. I wish I 186 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 2: had listened a little more. 187 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 1: When they split? Did you go with me me? You 188 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: and me me? 189 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 2: You didn't go with me me? Yes? 190 00:08:58,240 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: Was it just the two of y'all? 191 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 2: Yes? A while? Right? 192 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: How were the early days of it just being you 193 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: and me me? 194 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 2: I mean it was good. Fine. She was doing her thing, 195 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 2: living her life, and she did work a lot, she 196 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 2: was gone a lot. So again I got run of 197 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 2: the house and friends were over. It was amazing, having 198 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 2: so much fun and identifying more with a gen xer. Okay, 199 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 2: And so we were very independent. Everybody was working, you know, 200 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 2: doing their own thing, not really paying attention to the 201 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 2: kids that much. And that's kind of you know, you 202 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 2: have a very independent spirit, right, Well, you're kind of 203 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 2: doing your own thing. You don't really need advice from 204 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 2: anybody because you got it because you grew up. 205 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: Kind of you're figuring it out on your own. Yes, 206 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: I think you know this. 207 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 3: This podcasts a lot about independence. You know, Mimi kind 208 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 3: of inspired me to step away from men and dating 209 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 3: and sex and all of that because she's become a 210 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 3: little bit obsessed. 211 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 2: She was a very independent female. But also she did 212 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 2: enjoy her male companionship. Yes, y, of course, as we 213 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 2: I do. 214 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 3: And I think that is a generational thing passed down 215 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 3: from her to write me. Yes, But as I already said, 216 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 3: Mimi was sort of my inspiration for all of this 217 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 3: because in her older age, she's getting she's obsessed with Papa, 218 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 3: and I want you to talk about how that makes 219 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 3: you feel when she does. 220 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 2: He passed away about eleven years ago, and uh, she 221 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 2: has a very hard time remembering that he's gone, and 222 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 2: that's about the only thing she remembers, which is, you know, 223 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 2: a little frustrating for me. It was a hard time. 224 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 2: I didn't love their relationship. Was he was fine. 225 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 3: I want you to talk about how you met him, 226 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 3: how you were introduced to Papa, who he was in 227 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 3: your life. 228 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 2: You know, I don't even remember. He just became my 229 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 2: stepdad pretty quickly. I don't know that i'd ever met 230 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 2: him before. Really no, I'm not really sure no, because 231 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 2: it was sort of a relationship that was a little 232 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 2: we'll just call it taboo. Yeah, scandalous scandal around and 233 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 2: so that was, you know, tough and uh, but he 234 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 2: was a nice fella. I just at that time did 235 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:08,199 Speaker 2: not want to bring another man into my life that 236 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 2: was going to try to control what I was doing, 237 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 2: you know, So I think that was part of it. 238 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 2: Maybe I didn't want to share my mom. Maybe that 239 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 2: was part of it. And then so they were married 240 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:21,439 Speaker 2: for I guess thirty five or so years and then 241 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 2: he passed away. 242 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 3: I think something that we've never really addressed before is 243 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 3: that when Mimi and Granddaddy split, you were like, yes, 244 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 3: it's me and Mimi against the world, right, the independence 245 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 3: of it all, to not have a man telling you 246 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 3: what to do, and so Papa re entering the equation, 247 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 3: you lose that. Well, okay, because let's get let's get 248 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 3: down to the brass tacks of it. 249 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: Mimi cheated on Granddaddy with Papa. I'm sorry. Well, we 250 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: got to give the people the contact. 251 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, sure this is a taboo thing, but it's 252 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 3: happening right everywhere all the time. 253 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: So okay, Mimi gets out. 254 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, and so you being introduced to Papa like it's 255 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 3: it's complicated, right, you know, and she brings him up. 256 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: Now does all that come back. 257 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 2: A little bit? Yes, just the frustration from the whole thing. 258 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 2: And again he was a fine guy and treated me well, 259 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 2: and you all loved him, loved him. 260 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: He was a big guy, great voice, very funny. 261 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 2: You know, you had fun stories. 262 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: He was funny. 263 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 2: He's a very funny, great storyteller. And so was your granddaddy. 264 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: But that's the thing about people. 265 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 3: And this is what I want you to tell ye, 266 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 3: the story of Granddaddy in the garage talking to popap 267 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 3: after they got married. 268 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 2: Well, according to my dad, he saw this truck that 269 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 2: he recognized in the driveway, so he was headed to 270 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 2: pick me up for something, turned around, went back home, 271 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 2: and according to him, grabbed his gun because he's like, 272 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 2: this is no, he's not happen. I don't want him 273 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 2: in this house. 274 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: Uh huh. 275 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 2: And before that happened, though, he called your Mimi's brother, 276 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 2: h Uncle Jack, uh huh. And Uncle Jack said, you know, 277 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 2: I think you need to rethink that. So killed us. 278 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 2: Don't you know, harm anyone right now, because you can't 279 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 2: do anything if you're in jail for Sharon, you can't 280 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 2: protect her. And that was you know, so it's an 281 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 2: intense time. 282 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. 283 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 2: So he didn't come back, he didn't come over, he 284 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 2: didn't come back. He just stayed home and calmed himself down. 285 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 2: And after that it was, you know, just a piece 286 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,839 Speaker 2: of cake. I mean we they would call each other 287 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 2: and say, hey, are you picking up? Am I picking up? 288 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 2: Or you babysitting today? Am I doing? 289 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 3: You know? 290 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 2: Am I doing it? 291 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: If I get this? Yay? So granddaddy and Papa were enemies, 292 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: right Grandaddy almost yes, got him dead one day. 293 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 2: Well hated maybe, and you know what about hey. 294 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: Look still're still my. 295 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 2: Girl going hello? I mean yeah, of. 296 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 3: Course it was a tough time, of course, and so 297 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 3: they don't speak right until you have Anna, right, which 298 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 3: was their first grandchild. 299 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 2: First grandchild, and Matthew was but she was the one 300 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 2: in town. 301 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: Yes, So that grand baby brought them all together right. 302 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 2: Right. 303 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 3: It's interesting because this dying that you had to deal 304 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 3: with as a mother divorced cheating situation, right, I am 305 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 3: dealing with something similar between you and your ex husband, 306 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 3: my dad. Okay, and we're wondering when you all will 307 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 3: get in the same room together, the four of y'all, dad, girlfriend, Right, 308 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:18,679 Speaker 3: So they're in town. 309 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: Y'all are in town, and you wanted to get lunch 310 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: the five. 311 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 2: Of us, Well, I said I would. 312 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: Yep, you said you wanted to. She said, let's have lunch. 313 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 2: Let's do it. 314 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 3: And I wanted to know why you wanted to have 315 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 3: lunch with them, because I think a grand baby will 316 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 3: bring y all together. You have no grandkids right now, right, 317 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 3: and I think that's going to be what gets y'all 318 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 3: in the same room as it did for grantedy. 319 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 2: Right, Well, I think you know, I saw this meme 320 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 2: or whatever, but it said get stay bitter or get better. 321 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: So you're like this, that's my opportunity. 322 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 2: I looked in the mirror and I thought, I'm better. 323 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 2: I'm very bitter and I've got to move on. And 324 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 2: so at that why I released Really, it was kind 325 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 2: of like, Okay, you got to release this. 326 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: You gotta let it go. 327 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, And so I think after that, you know, your 328 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 2: dad and I will text and we'll call each other 329 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 2: and check in and make sure everybody's doing well. And 330 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 2: you know, if he hasn't heard from you all, he'll 331 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 2: say house, everybody doing and and that type thing. And 332 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 2: so you know, I'm I'm ready. Just honestly, let's let's 333 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 2: all get together, let's all let's put it to rest. Yeah, 334 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 2: it's it's over, it's done. We we've moved on. And 335 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 2: you know, we both have someone in our life that 336 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 2: cares about us and you know, makes us happy and 337 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 2: all those things. 338 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: I told you what my theory was. Why you wanted 339 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: to have lunch with them? What? Because you and Joe 340 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: are so in love. 341 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 2: And I think. 342 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: I've been talking to everybody in New York about this. 343 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: I think you wanted a flex a little because you 344 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: and Joe are in love and you'm a. 345 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 2: Nice person, you are, and we have fun together and yeah, 346 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 2: maybe maybe a little, but I just think it's good 347 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 2: to come together, and you know, put your dad and 348 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 2: I support each other. Joe supports your dad, you know, 349 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 2: Jim supports Joe. I mean, we're all in this thing 350 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 2: to get the ecosystem. 351 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: But you know what we need to tie us together. 352 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: What a baby. 353 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 3: And we've been talking about that, I know, and I 354 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 3: said I'm gonna have one by thirty two alone or 355 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 3: not right? 356 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: And so at thirty two y'all might get in the 357 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: same room. 358 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 2: Fantastic, Yet four more years, I love it. 359 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: We're gonna We're gonna get away from this. 360 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 2: Let's walk on. 361 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I want to talk about how you never 362 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 3: have you have not remarried yet, right, but you have 363 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 3: this beautiful life partner, right who I am so thankful 364 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 3: for is in my life. As I've said over and over, Joe, 365 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 3: if you can hear this, all love, I know he makes. 366 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: You really happy. What is it about y'all's love that 367 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: makes it feel right? What's correct about it? 368 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 2: You know? I think we grew up in the same 369 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 2: area of the country. 370 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: Because Joe had a crush on you in high school. 371 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 2: Near Hillsborough, Tennessee. I don't know if he had a 372 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 2: crush on me, but I did cruise into his gas 373 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 2: station on occasion. He was always trying to flirt with me. 374 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 2: But you know whatever, But uh, you know what, we 375 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 2: know the same people when we go out in Manchester, Tennessee. 376 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 2: You know, we always run into friends, and I think 377 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 2: it's nice to have that connection and sort of be 378 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 2: brought up in the same culture. Sorry, you know, what 379 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 2: I'm saying, if you were to make it personal Hillsborough, Tennessee, 380 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 2: don't make it about culture. Make it personal. He makes 381 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 2: me laugh, He keeps me calm, He takes he takes 382 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 2: all my crazy and just kind of stuffs it somewhere 383 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:49,679 Speaker 2: and goes, Okay, she's gonna be fine. In a minute. 384 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 2: It's gonna be okay, you know, and he'll look at 385 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 2: me and go calm down. 386 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, he makes you laugh, makes he makes 387 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: me laugh. 388 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 2: I mean even that's what when we're arguing, we end up. 389 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,360 Speaker 1: He knows how to get you out of that head. 390 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. 391 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: Right, So then you're a clock back in right You're like, oh, 392 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: I can breathe again because I'm not spiralless. Yes. 393 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 3: Yes, So you'all have that like beautiful. You support each 394 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 3: other so well and right, and. 395 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 2: I think we both are older and we're experienced and 396 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 2: you know, you're not in the in the chaos of 397 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 2: having children sometimes, you know, when you have a lot 398 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 2: of children, it just makes the relationship harder. 399 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: I also, you think, do you think it has do 400 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 1: you all? 401 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 3: Do you think it has something to do with like 402 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 3: you all are very independent, you live that really it's 403 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 3: like you all have your relationship, right, but in no 404 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 3: way is like your relationship. 405 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 2: The only thing you have, right, you know, right, we 406 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 2: do have separate lives. And I think when you're in 407 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 2: a relationship twenty four to seven, you're together all the time, 408 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 2: things start to really wear on your nerves. Probably they can, right, 409 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 2: And we don't really have We see each other on 410 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 2: the weekends and it's nice and it's wonderful and we 411 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 2: have a good time, and then you know, we we 412 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 2: go do our little separate things. 413 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: Yet, do you think y'all y'all will get married? 414 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 2: You know that's not a goal. 415 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 3: Would you ever want to be married again one day? 416 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 3: Do you hope for that? 417 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 2: I don't think about it, really. I think that we 418 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 2: are happy with what we're doing and where we are, 419 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 2: and uh again, we enjoy each other's because you know, 420 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 2: we'll see I don't know. 421 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: I wish y'all get married just so we can have 422 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: a party. 423 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 2: Well, I just parties. We can have a party anyways. 424 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 3: Do you think marriage would kind of kill the vibe 425 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 3: between the two of you? 426 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 2: You know, I just don't think about it, honestly. 427 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 1: I just it just doesn't matter. 428 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:41,400 Speaker 3: No, you're so open about relationships, and you always have been. 429 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 3: One thing about our relationship is that we're always talking 430 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 3: and sharing and being honest. 431 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 1: Has it have you always been this way? Or is 432 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: this something you had to work on? 433 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 2: I think I like honesty and openness and I don't 434 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 2: like to hide thing. Yeah, we don't, probably to the 435 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 2: point where i'm a little too what's that called when 436 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 2: you give a little too much information? Probably so yeah, yeah, 437 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 2: But I do like openness and honesty, and I think 438 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 2: that's very important in every relationship. Yeah. You all will 439 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:15,360 Speaker 2: come to me sometimes say Mom, what do you think? 440 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 2: And I'm like, are you sure you want to know 441 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 2: what I think? You know? Because I'm gonna be honest. 442 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 3: God, We've got you know what You'll say to me 443 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 3: often what is it? You'll say You're not gonna like 444 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:25,360 Speaker 3: what I have to say, and. 445 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 2: I'll say, please, don't say that, don't say it, please please, 446 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 2: And then I'll say can You'll say half of it 447 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 2: and I'll hang up on you, and then I'll say 448 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 2: can I say this? And You're like no, Now. 449 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 3: Another thing I tell people about our relationship is that 450 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 3: our relationship is pretty We talk about sex like you're 451 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 3: a pretty sex positive person. 452 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 2: Right. 453 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 3: I'm wondering how it made you feel When I told 454 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 3: you I was gonna go boy sober, give up men. 455 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,719 Speaker 2: I thought, hmmm, wonder how long that'll take? You know, 456 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 2: how long it'll last? How long it'll last yet? 457 00:20:58,840 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: What were your bets? 458 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 2: Not long? But I mean you did, you had some 459 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 2: you gave it a good shot, you had some time 460 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 2: in there, did come. I mean I liked it. I 461 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 2: liked it, but I was probably also a little relieved. 462 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 2: Maybe I know, well, I know you know you're in 463 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 2: New York City. Huh you just came from college, and 464 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 2: I thought you need to I'm a little round, low down, 465 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 2: slow down. 466 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I do remember when I was in the 467 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 3: thick of it, kind of having an emotional breakdown on 468 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 3: the phone with you, when you were like, are you 469 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 3: sure this is good for you? 470 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 2: I did say that, yes, yes. 471 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: Because you were thinking what were you thinking? 472 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 2: Well, I think with a partner, I think you've got 473 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 2: somebody there to talk with, to kind of take not 474 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 2: take care of each other a little, but know where 475 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 2: you are, know if you're in trouble, know if you're 476 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 2: in need, all those things, just someone to connect with 477 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 2: you know when things are going great, when things are 478 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 2: not going so well, that type thing. So I think 479 00:21:58,840 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 2: it's nice to hear. 480 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 1: You think I'm a little bit safer with a partner. 481 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 2: I think everybody is. 482 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, And your truth is you don't really care who 483 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 3: or what my partner. You're open to whoever you as 484 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 3: long as they make you happy, as long as they're 485 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:11,880 Speaker 3: good for you. Right. 486 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 1: You just think having a partner, having partners. 487 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 2: I think it's nice. Yeah. I just think it's a 488 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 2: little more fulfilling when you have someone there to share 489 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 2: things things. 490 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, when I if I ever, do you think 491 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: I ever will get married? 492 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 2: I don't know. I hope, so you hope, I guess 493 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 2: I hope. So you want me to get married, I think, yeah. 494 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 2: I want you to have a partner that maybe you 495 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 2: can spend the rest of your life with. And that's tough. Well, 496 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 2: tell me spend the rest of your life with someone 497 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 2: that is a that's a big thing. 498 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 3: Tell me, what's what's one thing that you want me 499 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 3: to be certain to do once I'm in a marriage. 500 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 2: Not take things too seriously, which is one of my faults. 501 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 2: I want to, you know, hunker down and you know, 502 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 2: dig in and find a reason for everything. Right overthink 503 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 2: you know, I'm reading a paragraph between the lines. It's 504 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 2: not just reading between the lines, but everything happened? 505 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 3: Did something happened recently between you and Joe and or anything? 506 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 2: I don't think, so maybe read it. Well, we could 507 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 2: try to put a love sack together. Never do that 508 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 2: with a partner, and never put a love sick. 509 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: Tell them y'all try to putting this love sack together. 510 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: And Joe wanted to read the instructions. 511 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 2: Well, I spent out of control and I'm just overing 512 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:24,959 Speaker 2: the corner, spin it out of control, and he's just 513 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 2: trying to put it together, trying to concentrate, and I'm like, 514 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 2: get the drill, you know, And he's like, how do you. 515 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 3: Think you would feel if I got married one day 516 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 3: and then I went through a divorce. 517 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 1: How do you think? 518 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 2: Well, divorces are hard. I don't know, if you know, 519 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 2: Joe and I talk about our divorces. Sometimes you just 520 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 2: go into a world of like you're just not even 521 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 2: there all. So loss it's very difficult, and so I 522 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 2: wouldn't want that for you, But I would also want, 523 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 2: you know, a happy partnership. 524 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 3: You know, I'm pretty pro divorce, and I think sometimes 525 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 3: you lean, you lean anti divorce because you want to 526 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 3: know why I'm pro divorce. You found Joe and Dad 527 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 3: found his life partner, and y'all are so much happy. 528 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 2: We are happier. 529 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 530 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 3: I think about you and Dad staying together and I'm like, 531 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:18,959 Speaker 3: absolutely not. 532 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 2: What a nightmare? Right? 533 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 3: And I just think that like letting each other go, 534 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 3: like you, you found what was correct for you, you know. 535 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:28,959 Speaker 3: But I want to ask you, like, if it happens 536 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 3: or if someone is going through a divorce right now, 537 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 3: do you have advice for them? 538 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: What would you tell them? 539 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 2: Hang on, it gets better, you will get through it, 540 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 2: and it will be okay. You know, probably those things, 541 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 2: but you don't think it's gonna be you. It's not. 542 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 2: And I guess what people said to me, And I 543 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 2: was like, no, it concerned during it all? 544 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:52,640 Speaker 1: Was it I'm alone? 545 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 2: Now? 546 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 3: Was it I've lost I'm never going to find love again? 547 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 3: What is it that you felt in the thick of it. 548 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 2: I think you feel like a failure. You feel like 549 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 2: you've failed. Oh my god, you feel like, oh it 550 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 2: was all me? Well I did? I was like, household, 551 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 2: this is so harsh. I think a lot of people 552 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 2: feel that way. What could I have done differently? Why 553 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 2: didn't this work? We've got four kids, you know, we've 554 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 2: got this, we've got that. How can we you know, 555 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,439 Speaker 2: how can this be happening? All those things? 556 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 1: And you didn't expect it when you all got divorced? 557 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 2: Did you expect it? I didn't expect it, But I mean, 558 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 2: I don't know why I didn't expect it, but right, 559 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 2: but I just thought, you know, we're in this and 560 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 2: we're gonna work through it. We're gonna get there and 561 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 2: we're gonna everything's going to be good. And it did. 562 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 2: It wasn't, and you know, I realized that it's okay now. 563 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 2: But the thing is, I think, and I see this 564 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 2: a lot with you know, students I have in class. 565 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,880 Speaker 2: A divorce is harder on the kids than you think 566 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 2: it is, right, And I think we discount the kids 567 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 2: are gonna be fine, the kids are gonna be happier, 568 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 2: the kids are going to be better because now we're 569 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 2: not arguing. And I think it's much harder on kids 570 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 2: than the adults. I want to think it is, and 571 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 2: I think it as an adult. And here's what you know, 572 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 2: I've said before to someone I won't say who. But 573 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,679 Speaker 2: I've said, you know, we're adults, we're college educated. We 574 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 2: we you know, work with customers every day. We understand relationships, 575 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 2: we understand dynamics of the emotions and things like that. 576 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 2: You know, let's figure this out. 577 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 3: Let's figure this out. We've got all these things. 578 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 2: We need to figure this out. And that just wasn't 579 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 2: something that your ex wanted. 580 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: He did not want to he did not want to 581 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 1: continue on. 582 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 3: In the long run, though, aren't you a little bit 583 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:46,640 Speaker 3: thankful for it? 584 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 1: He would have drove you crazy. Some would have been 585 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: dead by now. 586 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 2: Well possibly. But I think you have to grow and change, 587 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 2: and you have to figure out where you're at at 588 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,959 Speaker 2: the moment, and then your partner has to adjust and 589 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 2: you have to adjust. I mean, it's not you have 590 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 2: to call on them or you. I think you gotta 591 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 2: make sure you're growing to get. 592 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 3: Mutual adjustment, yes, absolutely, yeah, and fair mutual adjustment right right. 593 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 2: And you know, if one partner is not either capable 594 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 2: of that or doesn't want that, you can't work with them. No, 595 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 2: And sometimes there's a power dynamic in relationships that you 596 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 2: can't I can't navigate. And that's usually when it's like 597 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,959 Speaker 2: you know it's either this way or the highway, and 598 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 2: that then you're like, okay, can. 599 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: I ask you a question? 600 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 3: Sure, do you think you ever would have stepped away 601 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 3: from him or like you were just you know, I 602 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 3: was going to fight through it. 603 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:35,120 Speaker 1: You were locked down. 604 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 2: No, yeah, that's. 605 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: So funny to me. I'm such a runner. 606 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 2: No, I was gonna I was fight. He was fly, 607 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 2: which I wish I couldn't. I wish I wish I could. 608 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 2: I can't go like, we are fixing this. 609 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 3: Everything you know to everything I do, though, I'm like, 610 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,120 Speaker 3: at that, you know you are committed, right, But I'll 611 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 3: tell you I'm much happier with the situation we have now. 612 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 2: But that's well, I think we are Jim and I 613 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 2: your your dad, and are happier and we're friends now 614 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 2: and we can support each other right where before, I 615 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 2: think when you're in the thick of things, it is hard, 616 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 2: of course to look at each other and have so 617 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 2: much in any sympathy or care or whatever. You just 618 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 2: want to you know, Okay, I don't knock somebody out. Okay, 619 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 2: you know, but that's not a good But you can't 620 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 2: do that, And that's to do right right, lead with 621 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 2: the heart relives the lives. 622 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 3: I think about getting married, but I more so think 623 00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 3: about having a kid. 624 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: This is something we talk about. 625 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 3: Is it's something I'm so excited to do, and I'm 626 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 3: not certain I will find a partner that works. 627 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: For me, that makes sense for me. I don't know. 628 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 3: So when or if I ever do become a mom, 629 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 3: which we're hoping one day, what's the what's the best 630 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 3: advice you could give me as to you know, as 631 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 3: a mother. 632 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 2: Well, I would say having four children, I learned a 633 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 2: few things over the years and we need to run 634 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 2: through really quickly. It was back to back to back 635 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 2: to back, two years apart each. I would say that 636 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 2: I was very tough on Anna. I mean, I mean, 637 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 2: you know, my dad certainly had been just this disciplinarian. 638 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 2: You were doing this, you were doing that. You were 639 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 2: and you're gonna listen and you're gonna sit down when 640 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 2: I tell you too, and you're not gonna used force 641 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 2: well a little, you know, but I mean again, yeah, 642 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 2: he was a he was a you know, a masculine 643 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 2: kind of burly It's going to be this way and that, 644 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 2: and there's something to be said about that. Honestly, A 645 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 2: little bit of this a friend. Yes, it's not it's 646 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 2: not bad. The discipline is not bad because I think 647 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 2: sometimes today we're a little too like, oh, you do 648 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 2: what you want to do, and it's fine and everything. 649 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 2: People need structure, right, they do need structure, and I, 650 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 2: you know, and I think everybody's working now, so they're 651 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 2: trying to give their kids something to fill the hole 652 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 2: make up for them not being there. And then kids 653 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 2: come out of that thinking everything is going to go 654 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 2: their way sort of, and then they find out and 655 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 2: it's tough. 656 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: Holding boundaries for your kids is difficult. 657 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 2: It is. 658 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 1: It's a difficult thing to do, especially when. 659 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 3: You're stressed, you're at work, you're you're trying to provide 660 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 3: like it's so. 661 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 2: And you want to make up for your absence, you know. 662 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 2: And I did some of that too, Yes I did so. 663 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 3: So your advice for me would be, specifically, hold the. 664 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 2: Line a little. 665 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: Did you hold the line. 666 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 2: For me on occasion? On occasion. 667 00:30:55,680 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 3: Until and I was like whatever, when I got. 668 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 2: Napping, I'm taking a nap. You all have fun, but. 669 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: No, okay, So your advice would be maybe. 670 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 2: I think you just have to accept each other and 671 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 2: love each other. That's all. You can do, of course. 672 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: The love it's and we do fight. 673 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 3: There's something I appreciate, appreciate about our relationship is we fight, 674 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 3: but we do always come back. And we were getting 675 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 3: good at both apologizing. Right, we have our moments where 676 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 3: we have to just let it go completely, right, But 677 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 3: we haven't had a moment like that in a while. 678 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 2: Right. 679 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 3: I know that we don't see eye to eye on 680 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 3: a couple of things, right, But I think something that 681 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 3: makes me really proud of us is that I was 682 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 3: about to say, we talk about it. We don't talk 683 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 3: about everything. No, we get close and we know, but 684 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 3: we don't talk about every right. 685 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 2: Well, I was just with a group of friends that 686 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 2: I haven't seen in a while, and they're in New 687 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 2: York City. But anyway, all our friends came together and 688 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 2: we were all talking about how our daughters, you know, 689 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 2: think differently than we do, and we just don't have 690 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 2: those conversations because we we're not having those not having 691 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 2: the conversations I feel one way, you feel another. We're 692 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 2: not going to convince each other otherwise, and so let's 693 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 2: just let's just love each other, you know type thing. 694 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 3: So if I am I understanding it correctly, it's usually 695 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 3: around politics that you are avoiding conversations with you. Yes, 696 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 3: politics specifically, it's a tricky conversation to have with anybody, 697 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 3: even with people on your own team. I mean, I'm 698 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 3: a I'm a leftist, as you know, and so we 699 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 3: don't get along. What are you talking about? Okay, we're 700 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 3: gonna We're gonna wrap things up. Mom, Thank you so 701 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 3: much for coming into the. 702 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: Studio today having enjoyed it with me. 703 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 3: I know it was vulnerable and scary, and it's not 704 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 3: always easy to be honest about the things that have 705 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 3: happened in our love lives. But it's happening to everyone, right, 706 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 3: and you are someone who is good to talk about it, 707 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 3: and like we said, be honest and share and help people. 708 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 3: It helps people grow and learn and do better to 709 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 3: talk about it. All right, I love you so much. 710 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 2: I love you too. 711 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: How do you feel lone? 712 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 2: I feel I don't know. I'm drained. I was alive, sweating. 713 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 2: It was vulnerable. 714 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: I need a. 715 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 2: Fan joke in here, just yeah, I know. Jug is 716 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 2: so emotional. No time say cries all the time. That 717 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 2: was so much fun. 718 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 3: Nothing brings me more joy than convincing the people I 719 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 3: love to emotionally overshare in public. I'm so proud of 720 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 3: my mom for opening up about some of the harder 721 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 3: chapters of her past. I think having these conversations about 722 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 3: where we come from is something every family could benefit from. 723 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 3: Maybe try it out over the holidays, just maybe not 724 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 3: at the dinner table. Thanks so much for listening, and 725 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 3: I'll talk to y'all next week. Boy Sover is a 726 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 3: production of iHeart Podcasts. I'm your host, Hopewordard. Our executive 727 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 3: producers are Christina Everett and Julie Pinero. Our supervising producer 728 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 3: is Emily Meronoff. Our assistant producer is Logan Palau. 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