1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club Morning. 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 2: Everybody is DJ, en Vy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne the God. 3 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 1: We are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest 4 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: in the building. Yes, indeed we have Jirraw called Michael. 5 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: I'd be doing your voice in the showers more than 6 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: everybody is DJ, like thinks about you and naked. Yeah, yeah, 7 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: you know, let's lean into all the gay set. Like 8 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: sometimes when I'm naked, I think about DJA. Yes, yes, yes, yes, 9 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: happy to see you, Happy to see you, bro. 10 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 3: So I'm always happy when people come right after donkey 11 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:37,480 Speaker 3: of today. 12 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: Oh my god, let me tell you something. I was 13 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: responding to you, like Monique. I was at my house 14 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: just pacing around. Just be like Leonard what your mother 15 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 1: said about giving me? No, let's talk about that. So 16 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: there's a couple of things I want to make clear 17 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: about that. But let's start up. For people that don't know. 18 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: This is only to people will see the ship. It'll 19 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: be the video right up next to me in the 20 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 1: first coat with the ear rings and here today whatever. 21 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: So how you doing first? We'll get to that lady. No, no, no, 22 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: you got some ship to settle first. Okay, So Charlamagne 23 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: gave you donkey to day, gave me, gave me donkey. No, no, 24 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get into it. Okay. So first of all, 25 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: because the thing I want to clear up and is 26 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: very very important. If people got a short attention span, 27 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: I want to make sure that they hear this part 28 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 1: first because you report it on you You played a 29 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: clip of my stand up, but it started at the 30 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: punchline and it like completely erased the setup of it. 31 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: And I really don't like that. It made it seem 32 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: like I was talking like I'm into some type of 33 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: race sexual slavery role play with my boyfriend, which is untrue. 34 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: It's so false. And I expect that type of thing 35 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: from TMZ because they have no humanity. They don't care 36 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: about the people that get hurt when they report these 37 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: sort of things. But your friend, so I really didn't 38 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: like that, Like, like I know, you repeated it and 39 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: the Neil interview, I didn't like that that that was 40 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: very very unfair. It was a joke. But yeah, but 41 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: I need you to watch the show and anybody who 42 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: watches the show, it's not what I said. It's so false, 43 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: it's so untrue, and I don't like that because it's like, no, 44 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: well we'll get into that later. It has nothing to 45 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: do with my boyfriend. It has nothing like the sex 46 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: that we have. It has nothing to do with sex. 47 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: It's something like people have been reporting on and I 48 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: really really don't like it. It's about my boyfriend reading 49 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: so much he makes me feel insecure about my level 50 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: of reading. And look, I get it. It like it's 51 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: something that people have been running with because one because 52 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 1: I have a white boyfriend, so like people like try 53 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 1: and create some type of crazy story out of that, like, 54 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: and it's a small group of people really like I 55 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: read all the tweets and it's like some gay black 56 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 1: men and some klu Klux clan members who don't like 57 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: that I have a white boyfriend. They agree on that, 58 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: so congratulations, like the Klan and doctor Lumara and you know, 59 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: some people find some common ground on that. But he's 60 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: a human being. He deserves respect. I deserve respect. I 61 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: don't appreciate things being misreported or like said about them 62 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: in that way. It's completely false, So I don't like that. 63 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: I just want to make that clear. That's that's not 64 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: something I know. You were just reading the news but like, 65 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 1: you're a friend, and I want you to like actually 66 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: have nuance with these stories, like, look, I'm a human 67 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: being and like people are, people can get hurt. They're 68 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 1: actually real lives at stake with the things that you say, 69 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 1: and look, come after me, that's fine, but don't come 70 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: after like my my boyfriend. Well, I'm saying when that's 71 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: in the headline and that's reported like and then misreported 72 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: like oh he's into race slave play with his white boyfriend, 73 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: I don't like that headline because it's false. It's not 74 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: true at all. Now on to Dave Chappelle. No, I 75 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: stay to the joke, though in context, the joke still 76 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: not a good joke. That's on you comedy for a while. 77 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:54,839 Speaker 1: I got. 78 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 3: I got because you're still saying you're a slave, you slave. 79 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: Math is teaching you know, Listen, I'm talking about my 80 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: own personal insecurity. I'm an educated person. I'm usually the 81 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: smartest person in the room. He reads so much it 82 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: makes me feel like, oh do I even know how 83 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: to read? That joke works if I had a black boyfriend, 84 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: my boyfriend were black. That joke actually works better if 85 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: I and you the slave and the white person is 86 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: the slavey. 87 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 3: Listen, if you and you're from North Carolina, where you 88 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 3: know the first anti literacy laws were created in northern 89 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 3: stock Caroline. You are sure, sure, but that's not my 90 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 3: role as a comedian that started getting into like like 91 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 3: literacy laws and stuff like that. You've completely lost that 92 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,239 Speaker 3: I evoked provocative imagery sometimes in my jokes. Some people 93 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 3: are very sensitive to that. That's your right. You don't 94 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 3: have to laugh at that. You could like hear the 95 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,919 Speaker 3: word slavery and completely shut off. That's completely fine, But 96 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 3: don't misconstrue what I said and don't like make it 97 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 3: into something that is not, because that's where I start 98 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 3: to get offended. 99 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: That the statement like you said it like multiple times 100 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: on the show, like, oh, he's into slave role play 101 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: with his white boyfriend. That's untrue. I said it like that. 102 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 1: I think I've said it, Charlemagne. That is not the joke. 103 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: The joke's about me reading the jokes about my insecurity, 104 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: about like not being as well read when I be 105 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: in bed next to him and he's when I'm in 106 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 1: bed next to him and he's like on his third 107 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 1: novel of the month, I'll be watching breakfast club interviews 108 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 1: and I feel like, oh, I should read more. That's 109 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: what the joke is. The joke it has nothing to 110 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: do with sex, has nothing to do with the type 111 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: of sex that we have. And that's just absolutely false, 112 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: but still not a good joke. When hey, listen, that's 113 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: on you. It's on you. You do stand up and 114 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: you figure it out for me, the crowds laugh whatever. 115 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: I'll say this about if the crowd is majority white, 116 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: are they laughing with you? Are at you? You know? 117 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 1: It's fine. I'm actually I'm actually shocked. It's like a 118 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 1: pretty decent amount of black people coming out to SEV 119 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: I really appreciate y'all for coming out. I want y'all 120 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 1: to keep coming out too. I like I like the 121 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 1: seeing it really, especially black women are like in the crowd. 122 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: They've been like talking to me. They seem invested in 123 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: my life, and it makes me feel really really special. 124 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: So I really like that and I appreciate that. Now 125 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 1: I want to move on to the Dave Chappelle portion 126 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 1: of it, because I've heard you comment on that too. 127 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 1: I deeply regret ever saying anything about Dave Chappelle to 128 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: the press. I want to say that I'm sorry for that. 129 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: Because one, I'm a huge Dave Chappelle. Dave Chappelle fan. 130 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 1: I love Dave like, I think he's brilliant. I think 131 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: he's a bright light in a dying industry. I think 132 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: he's more important now than ever before, because like comedians 133 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: are now just posting clips that I'm doing crowd work 134 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: online and calling it art and it's not art. Dave 135 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: Chappelle is an artist. He's one of the few artists 136 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: that we have, and I care deeply about the work 137 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: that he makes. With that said, the criticism that I 138 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 1: had had nothing to do with the morality of the joke, 139 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: had nothing to do with the ethics of the joke. 140 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 1: That something that has also been misreported. The criticism I 141 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 1: had was that of a fan, someone who respects him 142 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: so much that I want him to focus his genius 143 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 1: on a wide range of topics. I think that like 144 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: it started, but it started being really really focused on 145 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: one thing. Well, I'll say this. Look that's like I'm 146 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: saying that about the slave yoll. I'll say I'll say this. 147 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: I'm also a big fan of jay Z. If jay 148 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: Z made three albums about trans people, I'd be like, Hey, 149 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: what's going on. 150 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 3: With Jay, But Jaz made three albums, more than three 151 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 3: albums about selling drugs. You don't, you're just donna put 152 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 3: him in that. Uh, you don't pigeonhole. 153 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: On the debt, No they jay Z. I mean listen, 154 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: I would love to get into a jay Z argument. 155 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: Jay Z was very personal, very emotional. He always evolved. 156 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: Four four four was incredible because it showed growth and 157 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: evolution and something you've never seen before and rap. And 158 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: that's a thing with comedy too. Comedy doesn't grow, Comedy 159 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: doesn't evolve. It's it's kind of stunted like rap, and 160 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: like we just started getting like real braggadocious, like antagonistic 161 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: with the crowd, and it can evolve, like and we 162 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: need smart people like Dave, like Chris Rock, like myself 163 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: to actually evolve the art form because it is dying. 164 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: It's so so important for people to go up and 165 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: do deep personal stories or have a deep perspective about 166 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,679 Speaker 1: things going on in the world because it's not happening 167 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: when you see it online. Yeah, I know, Well, listen, 168 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: all I'm saying is and because I've talked about Dave 169 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: a lot, I don't want to talk about Dave anymore. 170 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: I honestly. I called him an eagle man. I'm an 171 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: ego maniac. I'm here to talk about me. I have 172 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: a show that I want to talk about about. Yeah, yeah, 173 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: I know you know what. And I'll tell you honestly, 174 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: from now on, any thoughts I have for Dave will 175 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: be directed in a phone call to Dave. I'll never 176 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: do it again. I'll never I do apologize for that. 177 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 1: Like I'm man enough to say that I that is wrong. 178 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: I don't I don't need it. I don't want the attention. 179 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 1: It's going on way too long, don't want it at all. 180 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: I'm here to talk about me. 181 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 3: Did it change after you got I guess taken out 182 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 3: of context after the slave yo? 183 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 1: Because it never changed hours. No, it never changed. It 184 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: had like it had nothing to do with that. Like 185 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: I I think that again with the press, the same thing, TMZ. 186 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: It's funny because that's the thing that happens, Like, you know, 187 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: I get asked about Dave or Cosby or something like that. 188 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: Like it's almost like the press and like you know, 189 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: they want to perpetuate it. Beat well, it's just like hey, 190 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: like what's going on with you and this other black 191 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: man like John Laney, don't get asked about Jerry Seinfeldt 192 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 1: the way I get asked about other black comedians, Like 193 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: that's just like I don't like that either. These are 194 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: like there are few artists in this art form. There 195 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: are so few artists people actually doing art, people that 196 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: not doing podcasts, not doing like crowd work videos online, 197 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: people that are actually doing the art. He's one of 198 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: the few. I have a deep respect for him. And 199 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: that's that's all I'll say. And let's hope TMZ reports 200 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: everything I just said, because like I'm saying, yeah, I 201 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: apologize to myself for making like making this whole thing 202 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: get out of proportion, like I should have never said anything. Again, 203 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: I really want to talk about me. That's what I'm 204 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: here for, to talk about myself. Scheanaman. 205 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 2: He said he was upset because he considered you guys 206 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 2: friends and that you went off the rail without having 207 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 2: a conversation. 208 00:09:57,800 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 1: Did you watch the show? Did you? I texted you 209 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: last night? Did watch it? You've been watching it? Did 210 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: you watch the next episode? No? I watched the first four, 211 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: the first three. You're gonna love the next episode. 212 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 2: So respond to what he said, because you know he 213 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 2: considered you guys, friends, and I want you to apologizing, but 214 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 2: if you feel away, I think that Charlamagne should apologize 215 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 2: him as well. 216 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: I don't feel like I want to apologize, don't you. Well, 217 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: I'm taking my person. 218 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:31,079 Speaker 3: Would you want me to give you one of these 219 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 3: half assed bullshit industry, But I don't feel like. 220 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: I need to apologize. I think I made myself clear 221 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 1: I have I have no need for an apology if 222 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: it and I'm like, you know what, that was wrong? 223 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 1: But in the moment, well, I'll wait for that when 224 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: I'm in the shower thinking about d J, and I 225 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: know that's right. Anyway, I want you to I want 226 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 1: you to watch this next episode because this next week 227 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: I'm gonna road trip with my dad to devilin South Carolina, 228 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 1: where he's from. That's when your Monk's corner. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 229 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: yeah yeah the track Yeah No. The episode is really 230 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: good because I have a conversation with him and I 231 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 1: say things that I was afraid to say, and this 232 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: is the reality show. Yeah, but just shooting at everybody 233 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: I wanted. I wanted to be said in the comment 234 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: section that I came with love. I came with candles 235 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,719 Speaker 1: and flowers and love. That's right, just come on, like 236 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 1: just I need you. 237 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 3: I do have one more question about that, though, I like, 238 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 3: do you think a comedian should ever call another comedian 239 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 3: offensive or implied in another comedian is being offensive because 240 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 3: you could easily offend. 241 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: I'll say comedians can do whatever they want. I don't 242 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: want to be a comedian who speaks about other comedians. 243 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,079 Speaker 1: I make art that I like, I make things that 244 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: I want the world to see. I focus all my 245 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: energy and attention on myself and my art and my work, 246 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: and that's what I want to be known for. And 247 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: I don't care. I'm not on Twitter talking about other comedians. 248 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 1: I'm knowing podcasts like I mean, you know me, I 249 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: don't talk about anything but myself like that. That's why 250 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: I'm upset that the whole thing got blown out of 251 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: proportion because I don't talk about anything other than myself. 252 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: I'm so focused on my own work. I think it's important. 253 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: I think people should see it, and that's why I'm here. Okay. 254 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 2: Now, you also talk about black women being super supportive 255 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 2: when you first came out, but also being mad at 256 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 2: you at the same time. 257 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: Oh because I got a white boyfriend. Yeah, you know, 258 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: it's it's funny. They met my boyfriend. They love him 259 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: like my boyfriend. My boyfriend is Actually he's so real. 260 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: That's part of the reason, like that any lie about 261 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:31,839 Speaker 1: him makes me upset because he's so he's so real. 262 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: My homegirl ivery loves Mike. Mike doesn't engage in small talk. 263 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,319 Speaker 1: That's the thing that I actually am trying to learn because, 264 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 1: like I can my next book, why small talk sucks. Hey, 265 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: there we go. You got to meet my boyfriend. Like, 266 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: he doesn't do it at all. If you talk to 267 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: him about the weather, he'll just be quiet. And I'm 268 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:51,079 Speaker 1: trying to learn that, Like I'd be out in the 269 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,199 Speaker 1: world just lying to people just like, oh, no, good shirt, 270 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: just like I have a lot of good shirt conversations. 271 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,719 Speaker 1: It's all it's all for. I got to stop doing that. 272 00:12:58,760 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 1: I don't like that. 273 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 2: How does he feel cause you talk about your life 274 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 2: with the reality show, How does you feel when you 275 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 2: talk about your sexcapage or even your conversation with Tyler 276 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 2: to creator? 277 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:08,719 Speaker 1: How does it make him feel? Funny? Do you have 278 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: conversation before? Yeah, he knows all of it. I mean 279 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: it's funny because our relationship began. I started shooting the 280 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: reality show and then our relationship began. So he like 281 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: he came in at a time when I'm dealing with 282 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: a lot of things, and the show is just about me, 283 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: like me trying to explore all these deep things about 284 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:35,439 Speaker 1: myself and being in therapy, trying to work through problems, 285 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: like trying to trying to like I'm exposing it's the 286 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: most vulnerable show of all time, Like you've never seen 287 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: a show more vulnerable than this? 288 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 4: Did he make you more comfortable with that? 289 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 1: He makes me more uncomfortable in life. But I think 290 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: I'm a better person because of my boyfriend. I feel 291 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: so much calmer now. Like I'm a person that had 292 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: a lot of anxiety, and you could see it even 293 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:57,839 Speaker 1: in the first episode. You could see like it's me 294 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 1: trying to get all my anxiety out. I think that's 295 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: why the audience feels that way. They feel a little awkward, 296 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: because that's that's how I felt. I think it transmutes 297 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: into the art form. I was somebody that was just 298 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: like constantly scared, constantly nervous, afraid of how I would 299 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: be perceived, afraid of like you know, like coming in 300 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: masculine environments as a gay man, like just terrified all 301 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: the time, afraid of the kind of sex I was having. 302 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: I was I was thinking about that because people have 303 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: been talking about like I put like a foot in 304 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: my mouth in the in the first episode. People call people, 305 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: yeah you know, and I want to I also want 306 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: to set the record straight. He was Guatemalan. People say 307 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: it's white toes he was Guatemalan. Maybe that doesn't matter 308 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: to some people, but it's like I told to I've 309 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: had some black feet in my mouth too. I I 310 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: was afraid of the type of sex I was having. 311 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: I thought it was dirty and so wrong, and like 312 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: I used to get like HIV tests once a week 313 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: because I thought I was like I was having like 314 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: dirty forbidden like god forbidden sex, and I was like 315 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: I viewed myself negatively the gay man that normal. No, No, 316 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: that that level of shame. I'm talking about getting the 317 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: HIV test and yeah, but yeast and I'll say this, 318 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: but that's that's also the you know, actually an actual fact, 319 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: more straight people get HIV now than gay men, like 320 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: because straight people don't check on themselves as much as 321 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: gay men sexual health because you have to be and 322 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: like like you know that that's the thing that was 323 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: actually psychological. That was me thinking that God was punishing 324 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: me because something I was doing was so wrong and 325 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: that is a horrible thing to live with. And people gay, straight, whatever, 326 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: have a lot of sexual shame. They're afraid of things. 327 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: So I was doing things like on camera to liberate myself, 328 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: like it was important for me to like eradicate that shame, 329 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: Like I put a foot, I put a foot in 330 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: my mouth for y'all. 331 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 3: A lot of people don't think you're really gay, though, 332 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 3: and they think that you just put the foot in 333 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 3: your mouth to kind of prove that you're getting They 334 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 3: were like, if he was really gay? 335 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: You the stuff they dig on camp, right, I mean, 336 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: you know, only fans coming soon. I guess you know. 337 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: There's a lot of silly things. There are people who 338 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: get their news from Twitter. They're crazy. What did you 339 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: meet your boyfriend from? What did you mean? How did 340 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: you We met through a mutual friend. We met years 341 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: ago in l A and then and we started dating. 342 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: Uh uh, it's been a year and a half now. 343 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: It wasn't scene when you were I'm sorry the thing 344 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: with Tyler? Yeah, yeah, just how you doing, I'm good? 345 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: How you been I'm good. I love Hey. Can I 346 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: say I'm so proud of you? And I don't mean 347 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: that in the condescending way, because people sometimes use pride 348 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: like like I'm proud of you, like I'm above you. 349 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: I'm so proud of you. I love you very very much. 350 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: You don't try to just armor. She's I'm not just 351 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: can you can you tell come to see me and listen? 352 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 5: Showed up, showed up by wiz camera in the green room, 353 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 5: like years and years ago when I first started doing comedy. 354 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: London, when London kicked him out because she didn't know 355 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: who he was. I didn't know who he was. He was. 356 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 4: He was just like okay, I'll leave him. 357 00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: Like no, wait, this is com She was like, oh yeah, 358 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: no no. And I've been a fan of yours, like 359 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 1: for for a very long time. We worked on time 360 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: I gave just TV. I saw I saw that she 361 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: was a star, like you know, like, look at me 362 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: trying to take credit for help. You was the one 363 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: who got her own row what you're talking about. I 364 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: saw my sister's Instagram. It was like she's a star. 365 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,239 Speaker 1: She's incredible, She's a star. I was like like her, 366 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 1: like I was I was. I was in Dana Walden 367 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 1: office and Fox like demanding, demanding they put you on 368 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: the air because you and rightfully so like I don't 369 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: need it. Yeah, yeah, listen, give her all credit to 370 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: whatever you know. I'm like little Richard, I get overlook 371 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: for all types of ship anyway. No, You're incredible and 372 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: I'm really really happy for you. 373 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 4: I appreciate you. 374 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: No, I mean I love you. I'm told us. 375 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 4: I was like, we need to get him up here 376 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 4: so we can talk about it. 377 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. I wanted to come to the New space and 378 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,199 Speaker 1: come when you were here. Yes, yes, so I. 379 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 5: Wanted to ask you about you and Tyler because y'all 380 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 5: are actually really friends. Yeah right, Yeah, was that like 381 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 5: for fun or did you really really have romantic feelings 382 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 5: for Tyler? 383 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: Yeah? I did. I was in turmoil over that for 384 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: a year, and that's a hard thing to deal with. 385 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: Of course. Is like I've seen people online talk about 386 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 1: as awkward as cringe. Yeah. Yeah, having feelings for your 387 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: best friend is very awkward, very very cringe. I'm thankful 388 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 1: that he did it because I've never seen a conversation 389 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: like that played out on television or in any space, 390 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: and I thought it was really really important. I've never like, 391 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: I've never seen like a black man expressed feelings for 392 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:34,120 Speaker 1: another black man like that ever before. And I'm trying 393 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 1: to make art that I wish i'd seen as a kid. 394 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,360 Speaker 1: I'm trying to make things and put things out there 395 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: that I needed, and so it was really important. I 396 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 1: thought it was a really important conversation. I'm so thankful 397 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: to Tyler for doing. 398 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 5: It because his hurt stupid bitch, like he laughed about it. 399 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 5: Did that really hurt your feelings or it's just like, 400 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 5: oh because. 401 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: I getting caught a stupid bitch. Stupid bitch, I. 402 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 4: Know, but I called my that's gonna to be a 403 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 4: bit all the time. So it was just like, okay, cool, 404 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 4: but it really did hurt. Did you see what he said? 405 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 1: Yeah? I was watching it. I stayed up late for 406 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 1: that too. I made a sandwich. I was up at 407 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: three in the morning. Liken't feel about it. You're staying 408 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: up late to watch Tyler. I was on FaceTime of him. 409 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. No, it's like like, you know, he's 410 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: emotionally evolved. I'm the one that's trying to catch up. 411 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: Is your boy get jealous at all? Yeah? There's jealousy 412 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: for sure, jealousy. I'm jealous of him. You go to 413 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: the gym, like you be getting hit on the stuff. 414 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 1: Like it's like, yeah, there's a lot of jealousy. I'm 415 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 1: learning to deal with that, like I'm trying to How 416 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: does he deal with it? I mean, that's a question 417 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: for him. I think, Yeah, we talk about it. That's 418 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: the thing public. Yeah, yeah, I'm public, but but that's 419 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: something that we talk about that and that's kind of 420 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: the point of the show. Like all these things, these 421 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: feelings that you don't talk about, things that you could 422 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 1: just harbor, you could go to sleep at night, never say, like, 423 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 1: we talk about these things. It's so important. What do 424 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: you think about talent performance? I know just asked you 425 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: that Tyler is an aesthetic genius sonically. He has chords 426 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 1: that I mean, I think that's part of the reason 427 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: we became friends, because there's a certain sound that I 428 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 1: think we both relate to. He's he's great, He's one 429 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: of them. He said, you're trying to I bet y'all 430 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: saw my best friend try to fuck me on camera. 431 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 1: I thought it was funny. That was funny. No, I 432 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: love the performance. The performance itself was great, like and 433 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: I don't want to be a distraction from his work. 434 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: It's great. I'm thankful that he had the conversation. And 435 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 1: I think he's one of the few like him Beyonce, 436 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 1: like one of a few live performers that deserve all 437 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: the praise that they get. He's so incredible. What's your 438 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 1: relationship now, y'all? Cool? After the conversations, I mean he's 439 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 1: making jokes about it. We cool, Yeah, I mean we 440 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: moved on, like I have. You know, I've definitely moved on. 441 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 1: It was a very, very tough moment in my life, 442 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 1: and I have nothing but gratitude for him for doing 443 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: that on camera as wild right, But it was hard 444 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: off camera. That was a difficult thing to deal with. 445 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: Off camera. It was a whole year friend, Yeah, yeah, 446 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 1: I was. I was on music Soul Child have crazy 447 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: mode for man, why not reach out to him during 448 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 1: that year? He called me a stupid bitch, Charlayne, did 449 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 1: you watch the show? Thank you? 450 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 3: But if that's your friend, somebody you love and careful, 451 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 3: what I was thinking of, like, well, why would he 452 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 3: let a whole year go by? 453 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: Why would either wanted him let a whole year? Well? 454 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: It's very So that's the thing. It's very easy for 455 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 1: things to like just fall back into the elephant in 456 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: the room, like, Okay, we're not going to talk about it. 457 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: We just go to breakfast. Like I have that same 458 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 1: relationship with my parents where it's like, oh, there are 459 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: things that we don't really want to talk about, so 460 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: we don't and we engage in small talk. We talk 461 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: about everything else, and and and that's what the show was. 462 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 1: The show was an excuse to have a difficult conversation 463 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: that I'd otherwise be afraid to have. 464 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 3: How is when you were sitting there eating it with Tyler? Yeah, 465 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 3: it felt like and I know in TV time, I 466 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 3: don't know how long it was, but it felt like 467 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 3: there was just a long moment where y'all said nothing 468 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 3: farts says I'll call you next week. How long was 469 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 3: that whole scene? I mean it was longer. It was 470 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 3: longer than what you saw. 471 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: There was no conversation. Yeah, I mean that's how real 472 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: life plays out sometimes, you know. And and I like 473 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 1: the show because the show lives in silences, It lives 474 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 1: in like moments like there's a credit Elvis Mitchell that 475 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:31,880 Speaker 1: like called me and it was like, I really loved 476 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: the silence of the show. I really loved that it 477 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 1: kind of lives and there are these moments where the 478 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: show takes its time. I was asking about your family. 479 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 2: You know, how was it with your family seeing everything 480 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 2: up close and personal, because at one time you said 481 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 2: it was difficult when you first came out to talk 482 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 2: to your family. 483 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: No, I haven't. I haven't seen it. You haven't seen it. 484 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: In the m B. I'm having sex dreams about you 485 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: and you didn't tell I'm junking. I want to make 486 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: you uncomfortable. It's supert your family, but now it's I 487 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 1: don't care. He first me all day. I know you're 488 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 1: super you're super straight, like you got the chain all like. 489 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: It's just like anybody that's a little okay. I didn't 490 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: mean to start. I didn't mean I'm joking. I didn't 491 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: want to like anyway, whoa, that's not true. 492 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 2: Never y'all got me like Cameron now, like, yeah, I 493 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 2: was asking, so, how is that your family seeing everything? 494 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 1: My dad's super nervous, uh his episode, his episodes coming 495 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: up this week, you know, like he'd be calling me, 496 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: like pretending he's just checking on me, you know, but 497 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: he really wants to know about it. It's a wild thing. 498 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 1: Like just imagine me. And from where I'm from, you know, 499 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 1: your son's on HBO every week dealing with personal family things. 500 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: That's insane. That's insane. So I respect my family for 501 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: dealing with these things on camera. They know that that's 502 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: my way. And and uh, yeah, he's a little nervous. 503 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 1: My mom is an evangelist, so she feels as long 504 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: as she gets the word of God out there, like 505 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: she's all good, She's all good. Yeah. Yeah. My mom 506 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 1: is one of the few people in the world who 507 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: is exactly who she says she is, and that's caused 508 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: some tension in our life. But I also totally respect her. 509 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: How did your mom? 510 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 3: How do you think black women in general will feel 511 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 3: about you referring to your mother as a bitch? 512 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: Oh? Man, that's been the family been, the family been having. 513 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: They got a group chat without me. You should talking 514 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 1: about that. You know, it's funny that I actually didn't 515 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: consider that like when I said it, And maybe that's 516 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: me being inconsiderate, and maybe there is some like latent 517 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 1: hurt that is coming out when I when I say that, 518 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 1: I actually wasn't saying I love my mother. I have 519 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: a deep respect from my mother. And I only said it. 520 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 1: I say it kind of casually, kind of gay, like 521 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 1: just on stage, Mom, I say it just nonchalantly. I 522 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: just I call people bitches and niggas all the time. Like, 523 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: you know, listen, you can call your dad a niggas. 524 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: You can't even call you that a bit with your mom. 525 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 4: But they're gonna get mad at Tyler for a year 526 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 4: because he said. 527 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: Well, it wasn't it was the dismissal of the emotion. Yeah, no, 528 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 1: it wasn't. It wasn't just that it was that that 529 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: was all he said. But no, with my mom, now 530 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 1: that's something that we talked about. I would rather focus 531 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 1: on the emotion behind it. It's like it's easy to 532 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,120 Speaker 1: get hung up on it. Actually get really really angry 533 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 1: at my family when they start talking about, like, you know, 534 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 1: my dad called He's like, I don't like that you 535 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: call your mom a bitch. I'm like, that's the worst 536 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: thing we've done to my mother. Like I think I 537 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: think as a family, we've done worse, you know. And 538 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: and I think that it's easy sometimes that surface level 539 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 1: conversation is all people have access to. Is the thing 540 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 1: that people want to talk about because it's easy, but 541 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 1: just don't say that word. It's like, Hey, what's behind 542 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: that word? Why do you think I'm saying it? Do 543 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:54,959 Speaker 1: you see the hurt in my eyes? Do you hear 544 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: it in my voice? Like I'm hurt And I'm revealing 545 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: a lot in this show, and the family can't talk 546 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: about that sometimes, so they just focus on the very 547 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: easy thing. 548 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,679 Speaker 4: So more so, why did you call her a bitch? Well? 549 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 1: Why am I hurt? Yeah, what's the cause of the hurt? Like, 550 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: you know, like I feel rejected by my creator. That's 551 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 1: a difficult thing to live with. Like, you know, I'm 552 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 1: not the only person who's living with like some issues 553 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: with their parents, with their mom or just you don't 554 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: see eye to eye and it makes you feel bad 555 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: about yourself. That's how I feel. And that's a really 556 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: really hard thing to live with. And I'm trying to 557 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 1: make art and trying to make sense of all of it, 558 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: but it's really tough. 559 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 3: What would you say to people who would say your 560 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 3: mom is homophobic? But when I look at it, I say, no, 561 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 3: she's very religious, so I think she's looking at it 562 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 3: through the religious religion. 563 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and I think that I think at some 564 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 1: point you have to think about how you got to 565 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: the place that you are. I had a really good 566 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 1: conversation with my mom about even her finding religion and 567 00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 1: needing religion, about the hurt, the disappointment in her life 568 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 1: from her dad and from other people in her life 569 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: that led her to needing God as much as she 570 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: does and depending on God as much she does. And 571 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 1: we were having a really really good conversation that my 572 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: dad woke up and interrupted. It was yeah, yeah, but 573 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: you know, you have to explore your life. You got 574 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: to explore the reasons why, because you can hurt people, 575 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: like I know, like people call it faith whatever, but 576 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,919 Speaker 1: they are human beings and like your opinion, my mother's 577 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: opinion to be madters so much. Absolutely. 578 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 3: I also wondered when you was It was a scene 579 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 3: where you was. It looked like you was literally sitting 580 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 3: in the closet I'm not trying to be funny, probably, 581 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 3: and you were saying how you felt spiritually unclean. Yeah, 582 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 3: you said you felt like a black buck and a cup. 583 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 3: I wondered what your mother thought about that, especially the 584 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 3: spiritually unclean part. 585 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, my mom said she said a funny 586 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: thing because she saw the hookups and like, how much 587 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 1: I talk about sex in the show. She was like, 588 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,159 Speaker 1: the one thing she did say about the show, she 589 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: was like, I just want you to note that your 590 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: body is a temple. You know. I got mad. I 591 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: got offended by that because I was like, I see 592 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: the grosses of you buy you be eating beanie whenies, 593 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: you know, whenies are little little hot dogs, little hot 594 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: dogs cut up in parking beans. I was like, you 595 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 1: invite beating whenies into your temple, you know, times my temple. Actually, no, no, 596 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 1: there's actually feel that's actually that's maybe I'm from the South. 597 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:28,160 Speaker 1: That's like but but but but my mom. Yeah, yeah, man, 598 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 1: we only have time. That's like a whole special work. 599 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: So I guess my thing, though, is why I keep 600 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: living like that? If you feel like you said, you 601 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:38,239 Speaker 1: feel like a black white book in a cook strong Well, 602 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: A lot of the show is me trying to figure out, 603 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: like working through those things, like working through the shame 604 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: that I have, working through a lot of the problems 605 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: that that I have in my life. Yeah, it's it's 606 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: a feeling. I expressed my feelings and I'm expressing them 607 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: on camera for the world to dissect, for you know, 608 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: people to kind of THERAPIESE. But I it was a 609 00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: feeling I was having in that moment, and I was 610 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: conflicted about it. Isn't that a racial component? 611 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 3: If you're saying you feel like a black buck and 612 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 3: there's a part of you to ask to be like, 613 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 3: why do I keep hooking up with all these white men? 614 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: Yeah? But I mean that I've been reading a lot, 615 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: and so that was just like, Yeah, there's all types 616 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: of components. There's a sex addiction component to it, just 617 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: like why why do I need sex to heal? Why 618 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: do I turn to that to feel better about myself? 619 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: Like a lot of it's unhealthy, Like I definitely exhibit 620 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: a lot of unhealthy behavior in the show. 621 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 4: But I think it also. 622 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 5: He's not the only one who's feeling that way obviously, 623 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 5: So you're saying, like people therapized. I mean, people can 624 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 5: like get some type of therapy from your show because 625 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 5: you're not the only. 626 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 4: Person that has these conflicted feelings. 627 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 5: I have friends who have talked to me about the 628 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 5: same thing that you're that you you know that you're 629 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 5: putting out there on the show, that you're actually going 630 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 5: through this and on the camera, on camera, and you 631 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 5: know it actually it rings, I don't know, like some 632 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 5: type of awareness to you. 633 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 4: Oh damn no, I'm not the only person feeling like this. 634 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 1: And you're a good friend because I hope that they 635 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: bring it to you because they know that you're a 636 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: safe place and that you won't make them feel shame 637 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: for anything that they're feeling. That's the difficult thing. It's hard. 638 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I'm out here, I'll get crucified every week. 639 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: But it's hard to reveal things about yourself because you're afraid. 640 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: You're afraid people are gonna throw stones. I've definitely been afraid. 641 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: I feel like a turtle dout a shell. 642 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's good because you're opening yourself 643 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 2: up to people that might be going through the same 644 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 2: problems that you're going through, too scared to share or 645 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 2: too scared. 646 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: I was too scared. I lived most of my life terrified, 647 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 1: terrified to reveal anything about myself, like just trying to 648 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: just living behind a mask. It's so unhealthy and I 649 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: was really hurting myself. And I'm putting myself out there 650 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 1: so that people can feel and see that it's okay. 651 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 4: And that's why I was so shocked. I was like, wow, 652 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 4: he I feel like I'm watching something that I'm not 653 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 4: supposed to know about him. I'm feeling you know what 654 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 4: I mean. Like, so just to be that vulnerable on 655 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 4: a show, what made you want to do it? Now? 656 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: Like? Well, because after I came out, I realized that 657 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: there are other things I needed to come out about. 658 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 1: I think everybody's in a closet about something, and I 659 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: was in a closet. It was more than just being gay. 660 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: It was about of the feelings that I have. I 661 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 1: was in a closet about you know, sex, addiction, or 662 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: how I am as a friend or all these things. 663 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 1: Like just like I was a closeted person. I was 664 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: holding everything inside and the show was an outlet for me. 665 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: I'm an artist, and I use art as a means 666 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: of expression and as a means to heal, and so 667 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: the show just felt like a natural. I was doing 668 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: all these shows, I was doing stand up, and stand 669 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: up started being kind of a form of therapy. It 670 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 1: was like a reassociative therapy that I would just go 671 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: up and I would talk about a problem that I 672 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: have a deep personal problem that I have, and the 673 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: response from the audience started being better. That's what I mean, 674 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: Like people coming to the shows, like like the heckles 675 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: that I get as a comedian are so thoughtful, like 676 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: the comedian gets like the thought like people turn into 677 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 1: therapist in the audience. Yeah, I'm not. I watched that, yes, 678 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: and I was like, those heckles aren't real the audiences. No, No, 679 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: Like people are smart. I believe that. I believe that, 680 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 1: like Twitter isn't just the that's not what the world is. 681 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: I hate it. Yeah, listen, sometimes I search your name 682 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: to make me feel better about myself. Charlemagne. No, but 683 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 1: but I like, no, all my my, the heckles that 684 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: I get are thoughtful responses because you open yourself up 685 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: and people open themselves up like like they they respond 686 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: in kind. And so I'm glad. You're a good friends 687 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: to your friends who are expressing themselves to you. How 688 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: did you deal with the sex edition sex ediction? I'm 689 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: still I'm still he's dealing with it. Still, he's trying 690 00:32:59,080 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 1: to figure it out. 691 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 3: I'm getting my can on everybody, but no one to 692 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 3: show it shows you you just be on grind before 693 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 3: your boyfriend. 694 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 1: You was on grind. That was old. 695 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 4: That was that had to be before your boyfriend, now 696 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 4: before my boyfriend. 697 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: And you know, like yeah, sex sex sex is something else. Man. 698 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: You gotta keep watching the show. You gotta wat do 699 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: you get all the episodes? 700 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 4: Yees three, I'm waiting on the link. 701 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 1: Can you send it a link with all the episodes 702 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: because I want to see all of it. Yeah. 703 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 3: It had a good explanation though, you said, because you 704 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 3: waited so long to come out. Yeah, so now you 705 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 3: feel like a seventeen year old. 706 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, making up making up for lost time, Like 707 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: just like yeah, they're they're like my emotional maturity level 708 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 1: was a bit delayed. That's it's a little embarrassing to admit, 709 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 1: but true. But even that, I do think there are 710 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: certain aspects of my personality that I inherit from my father. 711 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 1: I've been reading about that a lot, just like being 712 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: you know, you you learn how to be a man 713 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: from your dad. And I learned He's gonna get mad 714 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: because hes gonna watch this always throwing me under the bus. 715 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 1: But it's just true, like it's something you learn therapy 716 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 1: that like, oh, this is how you model yourself as 717 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: a man, and and and so Yeah, I look to 718 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 1: sex as a as a form of validation for my manlihood, 719 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,439 Speaker 1: like to make me feel like a man. 720 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,840 Speaker 3: What you're saying is absolutely true, and I've said that 721 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 3: numerous times too. But I guess for me, I'm with 722 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,839 Speaker 3: I'm with women. Yeah, so to do that with other men. 723 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:34,799 Speaker 3: You got a daddy from the Caro Carolina, I got 724 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 3: Dady from stocking Line. Well, not looking at you like 725 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 3: more of a man because you sleep with a bunch 726 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 3: of god Yeah. 727 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. I mean, Listen, the difference between 728 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,400 Speaker 1: me and my dad is that I don't leave a 729 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,760 Speaker 1: trail of children, you know what I mean. I'm thankful 730 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 1: for that, thank God, because if I was straight, i'd 731 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:56,399 Speaker 1: have seventeen kids. Like that's the only difference. Yeah, yeah, 732 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,360 Speaker 1: thank God for that. There is a part in the 733 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 1: show where your friend with the the mask. 734 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, one of the most honest moments I've seen on 735 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 3: the show as far as when he says to you, 736 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 3: this isn't honesty. Yeah, you got all these cameras because 737 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 3: that's what it feels like. It feels like it's a 738 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 3: curated To me, it feels like it's a curated exhibition 739 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,280 Speaker 3: of your sexual exploits. 740 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't see. I don't see the truth that 741 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 1: you're trying to reveal. You. Look, my job is to 742 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 1: remain truthful through all of it, and to be truthful 743 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,279 Speaker 1: on camera and to like just be like myself. I 744 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 1: stay out of the editing room, and there's some truth 745 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: to that. Yeah, this is definitely something that's truncated to 746 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 1: thirty minute episodes for people to consume and enjoy. But 747 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: I'm truthful in it. That's what's important to me. That 748 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 1: I'm truthful and I'm really going through these things, Like 749 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,359 Speaker 1: none of that's made up, None of that's for the show, 750 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,439 Speaker 1: none of that's for the camera. Like these things, I'm 751 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 1: really going through real problems in my life. What is 752 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,359 Speaker 1: this show doing for you that therapy can been using 753 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 1: it as a form of therapy, because therapy is exploring 754 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 1: yourself and exploring your past, but it's not necessarily confrontation. 755 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 1: I still needed a tool to be confident enough to 756 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,840 Speaker 1: have a conversation with my dad that I'd be terrified 757 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: having otherwise, Like you know, if I'm home in North Carolina, 758 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 1: I'm just like, you know, smiling, being a good son, 759 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 1: being the son that they want me to be and 760 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 1: I'm not saying the real things, asking the real questions. 761 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 1: When the camera's on, I become like a journalist for 762 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,359 Speaker 1: my own life, like no, no, no, what's that shit 763 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 1: you said? Ninety eight? You know, I get real real, 764 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 1: but but without the cameras. I'm afraid. You think if 765 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,759 Speaker 1: y'all did family therapy, you think you would be still afraid, Like, yeah, 766 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,839 Speaker 1: I want to get my family to well. I think 767 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 1: individual is really important because you need to work on 768 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 1: yourself and you bring that to your life, you bring 769 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: that to the people in your life. I think that's 770 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,319 Speaker 1: really really important. And it's funny because therapies is one 771 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 1: of those things. I know, you talk about it a 772 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 1: lot and it's easy, Like I don't want people to 773 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:54,759 Speaker 1: get a negative like I know, like some of the 774 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 1: comments would be like, oh, everybody's always talking about therapy, 775 00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,400 Speaker 1: but those are people that need therapy the most. But like, 776 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 1: it's an excuse to talk about yourself, that's all it is. 777 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,319 Speaker 1: It's just an excuse to explore things in your life 778 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,839 Speaker 1: that you wouldn't normally explore things that you and those 779 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 1: things manifest as health problems. They manifest in ways that 780 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 1: you wouldn't imagine they manifest its problems in your relationship, 781 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,959 Speaker 1: problems with raising your kids. Like, these things are real, 782 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 1: they'll come out. It doesn't just stay bottled in. It 783 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,919 Speaker 1: harms your body, it harms your spirit. So it's worth 784 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 1: talking about. And I want my family to do it. 785 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 1: I think that it would be beneficial to all of us. 786 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,799 Speaker 1: But I'm doing it. That's really really important that I'm 787 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 1: doing it. I'm I'm working on myself constantly. You do 788 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 1: show how much of a shitty friend you are too? Yeah, no, 789 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 1: I know, I know. 790 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 3: Can I tell your show you can't be a best 791 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 3: man in a wedding and show up an hour late 792 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 3: to the wedding. 793 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,879 Speaker 4: It's not your wedding and then compare it to jury duty? Why? 794 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 1: You know? Look when is it heard? Because I'm a performer, 795 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 1: and so I look at weddings as a show, like 796 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,040 Speaker 1: all right, what is this show that we're going to? 797 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,320 Speaker 1: But but I love Pool and you know, I actually 798 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,040 Speaker 1: got to ahead and we've been talking a lot. I 799 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 1: hope that he liked the episode, Like he's a very sweet, 800 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,320 Speaker 1: thoughtful friend and inspired me so much, and so I 801 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,720 Speaker 1: know I was a bad friend. Again, it's hard exposed, 802 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,839 Speaker 1: like the show. I'm like the villain of my own show. 803 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 1: I'm Eric Kane on my own show. Like I'm like 804 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 1: people are like because I'm exposed. I'm exposing myself in 805 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,279 Speaker 1: a real way, like the like some of the worst 806 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 1: parts of myself I'm putting out there unedited, just like 807 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,839 Speaker 1: letting it, letting the world see and judge and criticize. 808 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,279 Speaker 1: But I feel bad for that, like I felt bad 809 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,280 Speaker 1: an episode of It's something I'm deeply apologetic for. I'm learning. 810 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,400 Speaker 1: I'm still growing. I'm learning to not be as selfish. 811 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 1: Sure that's a means of self protection. Like I'm selfish 812 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 1: because I'm scared. Uh, And I'm learning not be as afraid. 813 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 4: What about with jazz? How are things with jazz. 814 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 1: That's as good? Isn't she a good actress? 815 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:52,359 Speaker 4: Was she acting? For real? 816 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,399 Speaker 1: She's crying on command? She's so good? 817 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,840 Speaker 4: So I wasn't not crying on command? 818 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,400 Speaker 1: Is she's good? She's good? Listen, listen if I may 819 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 1: say so myself, I got a good eye. You know 820 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,840 Speaker 1: you know now you know lead just but you know 821 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,320 Speaker 1: it was another justice I said. It's pretty big. Another 822 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,319 Speaker 1: thing you say on the show is being honest? Is cool? 823 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,760 Speaker 1: Until you have a reason to lie. Yeah, Well, because 824 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,040 Speaker 1: it's like I was living alone and I was the 825 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,400 Speaker 1: most honest that I'd ever been. I was just like 826 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,200 Speaker 1: I had no one could, no one was going home 827 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,400 Speaker 1: with me, so there was no there was no reason 828 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 1: to like lie to protect. But then I got into 829 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 1: a relationship. I finally, I mean, it took me a 830 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:35,799 Speaker 1: long time. It took me thirty five years to find 831 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 1: someone that I love deeply to be in a loving relationship. 832 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 1: I'm so proud of it. I love them very much. 833 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 1: And out of that love, sometimes I can fall into 834 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 1: traps where I'm lying about myself because I want to 835 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:52,000 Speaker 1: protect the relationships. It's a habit. It's a real masculine habit. 836 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 1: H I'm lying, but I'm the protector, Like I'm lying 837 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 1: for a good reason. You kind of justify it. And 838 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:02,240 Speaker 1: and some like lies of omission are there's still lies 839 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,959 Speaker 1: like but I when I have someone that I care about, 840 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,839 Speaker 1: somebody I love, it's easy to slip into that old 841 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,120 Speaker 1: habit of of of lying because I want I want 842 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,279 Speaker 1: him to feel good about me. I his image of 843 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,319 Speaker 1: me is really really important to me. And he say, 844 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,759 Speaker 1: it's hard to tell the truth to people. You love. Yeah, 845 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:22,839 Speaker 1: do you not feel that way? Do you not feel 846 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,440 Speaker 1: that way? Sometimes? Like like yeah, because the consequences are 847 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 1: so the stakes are so high. I say that to 848 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,440 Speaker 1: my mom like like sometimes I'm talking to my mom, 849 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:31,759 Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, be careful what you say to me, 850 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,839 Speaker 1: because I'll remember it for the rest of my life. 851 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:38,800 Speaker 1: Every word that she says. It's so yeah. Yeah, but 852 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,600 Speaker 1: some things I feel like need to be said. Yeah. 853 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,440 Speaker 1: Some things, Yeah, some things, but you know it takes Look, 854 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,359 Speaker 1: you want to say the truth with love and care, 855 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,719 Speaker 1: you know, but you the truth needs to come out. 856 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,240 Speaker 1: You don't want to hold onto anything. And sometimes lashing 857 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:58,239 Speaker 1: out isn't truthful. Sometimes lashing out is just you emotion. Yeah, 858 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,399 Speaker 1: you're being emotional about not saying the truth, like you're 859 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:08,960 Speaker 1: actually doing the opposite of absolutely ischael an industry plant. Yeah, 860 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,239 Speaker 1: what what was that? Who said that we got? We got? 861 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:12,560 Speaker 2: Uh? 862 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,319 Speaker 1: Was that? Like a Corey holcom thing is. 863 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:19,399 Speaker 6: Love? 864 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,160 Speaker 1: I wish? Is that energy on a special? Cory is 865 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,920 Speaker 1: so funny, Corey. Corey is so funny. I was like 866 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,239 Speaker 1: laughed so hard at Corey just when I was a 867 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,279 Speaker 1: young comic, like just watching him and it's like, man, 868 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,840 Speaker 1: you got like, don't that get old? Yeah, his audience 869 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:37,160 Speaker 1: has to be Yeah, it's like Jesus crazy funny. It's funny. 870 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 1: But but are you am I an industry plant? I mean, listen, 871 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,800 Speaker 1: I wish the Illuminati was real. I wish that I 872 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,400 Speaker 1: could be a plant. I'd fucking signed up in a heartbeat. No, 873 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 1: I actually, unfortunately, I had to work hard to get 874 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,800 Speaker 1: where I am at to like like think and expose. 875 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:56,920 Speaker 1: I'm exposing so much of my life. That's the thing. 876 00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,440 Speaker 1: Like sometimes you get these criticisms from people who've made nothing, 877 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,200 Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know, that's what's offensive to me. 878 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,640 Speaker 1: It's like, no focus on your own work. I've worked very, 879 00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 1: very hard to get where I am. And but yeah, 880 00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:09,520 Speaker 1: if I could have sucked the dick to get to 881 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:14,120 Speaker 1: the top, I suck because you want to do it. No, 882 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 1: I'm joking. I'm saying that. I'm saying that as a joke. 883 00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,640 Speaker 1: I'm saying as a joke like like like like I though, 884 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,759 Speaker 1: cause Liturell was defending you on club. You know. You 885 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,200 Speaker 1: know the funny thing too, you know. I also like 886 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,560 Speaker 1: if I make now sound like a rapper, but like 887 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,920 Speaker 1: like a lot of these comedians who like criticized me. 888 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,200 Speaker 1: It is like no, no, like before I came out, 889 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,000 Speaker 1: coming out was the hardest thing I ever did in 890 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,640 Speaker 1: my life. I was like afraid. I also, I had 891 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,440 Speaker 1: multiple specials. I had a sitcom on NBC that ran 892 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,840 Speaker 1: for three three seasons. I had I was fake. I 893 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,200 Speaker 1: was getting other people shows like I was. I was 894 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,880 Speaker 1: more successful than them. Straight. So then to pretend that like, oh, 895 00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,320 Speaker 1: like he came out, like that's silly, that's silly. I 896 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:53,239 Speaker 1: don't even entertain that. 897 00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,800 Speaker 3: It feels like you've been trying to come out, like 898 00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,799 Speaker 3: the past three h field things you did though, because 899 00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,440 Speaker 3: there was the other it was another reality show that 900 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,839 Speaker 3: was kind of before even oh like the well, well 901 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:03,480 Speaker 3: I did documentaries about my life. 902 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,840 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, that was like that was my soft launch. 903 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,759 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. People were just like kind of dismissed it. 904 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,800 Speaker 1: But whatever. In the stand up, well, that's when I 905 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:16,880 Speaker 1: was being truthful. I said it like it was, it 906 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,600 Speaker 1: was truthful. I said it ten tolls down like this 907 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,880 Speaker 1: is who I am. And it's a hard thing. It's scary. 908 00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,359 Speaker 1: Revealing something about yourself is really really scary. And that's 909 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,000 Speaker 1: that's the thing. Like with criticisms, I'm like, listen, look 910 00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,359 Speaker 1: at yourself, look at your own art. If you are 911 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,560 Speaker 1: to criticize me, please make sure you're making art that 912 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,879 Speaker 1: you care about more than a podcast, more than any 913 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,600 Speaker 1: of these things. Make sure you're making a tangible thing 914 00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,719 Speaker 1: that people care about before you start attacking me. I 915 00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,920 Speaker 1: don't think being gay on TV is as shocking as 916 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,359 Speaker 1: it once was. It's shocking in my personal life, that's 917 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:47,839 Speaker 1: all I care. 918 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:48,040 Speaker 2: Like. 919 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,560 Speaker 1: The art that I make is about the difficulty that 920 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,439 Speaker 1: I had. I'd tell my mother that and that was hard, 921 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,360 Speaker 1: like yeah, like sure, like yeah, maybe, yeah, maybe the 922 00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,080 Speaker 1: landscape is changed. I'm thankful for any gay person. And 923 00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:01,680 Speaker 1: it came out before that made it a little bit 924 00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:03,920 Speaker 1: easier for me, but it was still a very difficult 925 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,680 Speaker 1: thing to reveal about my life. And there you know 926 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,279 Speaker 1: that's that's not easy. It wasn't easy. 927 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:11,080 Speaker 3: I can tell you're ready to go back. I want 928 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:12,880 Speaker 3: to ask, because you just mentioned something. You said that 929 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,839 Speaker 3: you had all of this great stuff going on before 930 00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,000 Speaker 3: you came out. So do you feel like coming out 931 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:21,520 Speaker 3: as gay is taking away the focus on on everything 932 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:25,600 Speaker 3: you've done in your career. Show still exists streaming on Hulu. 933 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,759 Speaker 1: What's My Man? What Happened? When Mac was out there. 934 00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,120 Speaker 3: I google you, what's gonna come up to say what 935 00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,000 Speaker 3: you said? If you google day, it's all transgender stuff. 936 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,600 Speaker 1: Things I'm talking about. Watch the show. I hope people 937 00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,279 Speaker 1: watch the show. Like if if you see the show, 938 00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,000 Speaker 1: you'll see the truth. You know, I'm confident in that, 939 00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,320 Speaker 1: Like you know, I think this, Like up top, I 940 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,720 Speaker 1: was just upset because something untrue was I say enough things, 941 00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,440 Speaker 1: enough true things to talk about, like I don't need 942 00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:54,759 Speaker 1: any lies, like like I don't need any of that. 943 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,920 Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm I'm making art about my life and 944 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:00,839 Speaker 1: and I'm really proud out of it. I hope people 945 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,279 Speaker 1: watch the show. That that's the important thing. I sent 946 00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,160 Speaker 1: you out episodes, Please send it just is it an 947 00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,160 Speaker 1: episode of the show. Damn me. 948 00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,319 Speaker 2: I'm sitting there online looking at clips, looking at stand 949 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:12,000 Speaker 2: ups that you've done. 950 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:17,279 Speaker 1: Because they know each other. We've met before, you in 951 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:22,319 Speaker 1: the shower, you in the showers, and they didn't send 952 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,160 Speaker 1: me anything. Wanted you old to himself. 953 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,080 Speaker 3: Because it comes on I mean after Bill. I mean 954 00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,480 Speaker 3: I liked, but it also comes on after Bill mar 955 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,320 Speaker 3: which is a great leader. Yeah, watching I'm already watching. 956 00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:38,759 Speaker 1: TV on good. I think the show is funny, kind 957 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,279 Speaker 1: of funny, not funny like man, y'all. So straight, y'all. 958 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:49,440 Speaker 1: So this is this Paul stunning like Jesus Christ, you 959 00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:50,760 Speaker 1: are so straight. 960 00:45:51,960 --> 00:46:03,080 Speaker 6: Congratulations, Jesus call on Michael. Ladies and gentlemen brought you 961 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:03,760 Speaker 6: a candle. 962 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,359 Speaker 2: Thank you, and you can check out the reality show 963 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:11,719 Speaker 2: Fridays on HBO Max. 964 00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:13,360 Speaker 1: Thank you, brother for joining us, Thanks for having me 965 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,560 Speaker 1: very much. Wake that ass up in the morning. The 966 00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:18,520 Speaker 1: Breakfast Club