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Speaker 2: Hope you had a great weekend. Everybody recapped a lot

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Speaker 2: of the basketball Hour one. Reggie Miller will join us.

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Speaker 2: In the final hour, we'll talk to the former number

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Speaker 2: two overall pick nineteen ninety eight, Ryan leaf It will

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Speaker 2: join us coming up here in the man cave. As

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Speaker 2: we have draft week here, I'm wondering how many quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: should be taken in the first round. Not how many

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Speaker 2: will because I think you're going to have five, but

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Speaker 2: how many should because is Houston going to take Will Levis?

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Speaker 2: Where does CJ. Stroud go? Anthony Richardson, Hendon Hooker, and

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Speaker 2: obviously Bryce Young. It's a different NFL because you want

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Speaker 2: to get in, get that rookie contract, build around it,

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Speaker 2: and then you make that decision do you stay with

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Speaker 2: that quarterback for a second contract? That's the blueprint right now.

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Speaker 2: You have Seattle is going to be an interesting pick

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Speaker 2: at number five because you have a quarterback you just reset.

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Speaker 2: Could you take Anthony Richardson? And if you're taking Anthony Richardson,

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Speaker 2: he's not ready to play right now, but is he

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Speaker 2: going to be ready in a year or two? Here's

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Speaker 2: something for you. Anthony Richardson touchdown passes that he threw

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Speaker 2: in college twenty four c J. Stroud through eighty five.

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Speaker 2: Now CJ Stroud throwing to those receivers and a better

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Speaker 2: team should be throwing more touchdowns. Anthony Richardson with not

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Speaker 2: a big sample size makes makes me nervous here. But

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Speaker 2: it's a new NFL. You take a chance. This guy

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Speaker 2: has a big ceiling, high ceiling, and that's what you know.

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Speaker 2: People are fascinated with this and by all accounts, seems

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Speaker 2: to be a good kid, you know, high IQ like

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Speaker 2: all these things. Seems like he checks the boxes. But

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Speaker 2: why did he struggle to start there at Florida If

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Speaker 2: it wasn't a good team and you didn't start. It's

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Speaker 2: like Will Levis at Penn State? Who was it Clifford?

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Speaker 2: Was he the quarterback at Penn State?

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Speaker 3: John Clifford?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he couldn't beat out him for three years.

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Speaker 2: Went to Kentucky and then had a good year and

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Speaker 2: then not so good year, and here he could be

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Speaker 2: the second pick overall. Hendon Hooker, who I loved, but

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Speaker 2: he's twenty five coming off ACL he's going to be

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Speaker 2: in the first round. I feel like the Vikings are

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Speaker 2: going to take him Bryce Young. We know c J.

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Speaker 2: Strown is c J Stroud going to be there for Indy?

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Speaker 2: So this is what I love about draft week, when

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Speaker 2: there's still a lot of curiosity and if you throw in,

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Speaker 2: does Aaron Rodgers finally get traded after the first round?

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Speaker 2: That's what I was told a while ago, that they're

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Speaker 2: going to wait because you don't want to give up

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Speaker 2: that first round pick. That's what thirteenth I think at

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Speaker 2: to Green Bay that you want to make the trade

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Speaker 2: after the first round, then you give them a second

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Speaker 2: round pick and maybe a first round that hinges on.

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Speaker 2: Does Aaron Rodgers play next year? That's what I was told.

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Speaker 2: Maybe he's traded before the draft. They've started resuming their talks.

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Speaker 2: There's still the possibility, in quotation marks, the forty nine

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Speaker 2: if the Jets say, we're not going to give you

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Speaker 2: what you want for Aaron Rodgers. Now what kind of

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Speaker 2: leverage do the Packers have. Do the Packers then say

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Speaker 2: to the forty nine ers, hey, Now, if they didn't

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Speaker 2: have Jordan Love, they could say, hey, we'll trade you.

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Speaker 2: We'll take Trey Lance. How about that we'll swap you there.

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Speaker 2: But there's still that possibility, at least whispers, maybe even

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Speaker 2: an offer, a framework of an offer by the Niners

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Speaker 2: if it doesn't work out with the Jets. But it's

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Speaker 2: been forty days since Aaron Rodgers declared his love for

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Speaker 2: the Jets. Long time. Is anybody caving in? Anybody softening?

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Speaker 2: It's a game of tug of war. But Green Bay

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Speaker 2: still out probably for at least a first round back

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Speaker 2: draft pick this year, because you want help this year.

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Speaker 2: You don't want to wait next year, because chances are

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers goes to the Jets, they're going to be

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Speaker 2: better than they were this past year, so the draft

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Speaker 2: to seven three DP show email address Dpadanpatrick dot com

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Speaker 2: Twitter handle a DP show. We stumbled upon where are

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Speaker 2: the great Buddy movies nowadays? This is a tweet from Brian.

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Speaker 2: I now pronounce you Chuck and Larry. Come on DP,

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Speaker 2: you're Sanders boy and you drop the ball here. That's

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Speaker 2: not a new movie. How about Wedding Crashers? How old

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Speaker 2: is Wedding Crashers? Is that eighteen years old?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Anything from the.

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Speaker 2: Past decade, trading places, Cannonball Run. Now I'm talking about

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Speaker 2: Are there any new buddy movie?

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Speaker 4: You think?

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Speaker 5: Kevin Hart and the Rock got to have a lock

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Speaker 5: on the current buddy movie franchise.

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Speaker 2: How about a good buddy movie? New one?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Pulling?

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Speaker 3: I didn't see it.

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Speaker 7: But did Seth Rogan and Barbara streisand do a movie together?

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Speaker 7: Or am I on drugs? Here? Didn't Seth Rogan do

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Speaker 7: a movie with Barbara streisandh they traveled the country? I

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Speaker 2: But I don't know if you could bring that up

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Speaker 2: it as a buddy movie if A you didn't see it,

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Speaker 2: and B you're not even sure if it happened. I'm sorry?

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Speaker 4: Was I taking something that I thought?

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Speaker 3: There's a promo for that movie?

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Speaker 2: And you don't do drugs, so can't blame it on that.

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Speaker 5: I see a movie called The Guilt Trip from twenty

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Speaker 5: twelve has trip in the name Seth Rogan, Barbara Streis

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Speaker 5: and Adam Scott Colin Hanks.

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Speaker 7: Okay, The Guilt Trip is a two and two American

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Speaker 7: road comedy with Barbara Streis and Seth Rogen.

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Speaker 3: Not on drugs?

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Speaker 1: It actually happened?

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Speaker 2: Was it? Twenty twelve or two thousand and two, twenty twelve.

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Speaker 5: Okay, that was definitely a movie written while on drugs,

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Speaker 5: though there's no doubt about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, I got this idea and then seth, you're

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Speaker 2: gonna be with Barbara Streiss and then you get that

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Speaker 2: laugh from him. Yeah, I missed that one. New Buddy Movies.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't it go in waves where it be like, okay,

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Speaker 2: then there's gonna be something in space, and then there'll

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Speaker 2: be a Buddy movie or two. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I remember seeing an interview with Steve Martin, a great

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Speaker 7: mafia movies right after Goodfellas. Everyone wanted a mafia movie.

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Speaker 7: He said, we have to make one. What was that one?

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Speaker 7: He was in a mafia movie comedy. It's like he's

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Speaker 7: out in Arizona and Witness Protection film. Oh yeah, I'm

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Speaker 7: never gonna remember it. It's not a bad movie, because

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Speaker 7: Steve Martin's fantastic and everything. But he even say they

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Speaker 2: But is it a good movie? If we don't know

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Speaker 2: not a bad movie, I do remember, yes, ton my

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Speaker 2: Blue Heavens. Oh there you go. Yeah once again a

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Speaker 5: Ago in the supermarket. Haven't seen.

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Speaker 2: What's poll question for hour two? Ce dounor let.

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Speaker 5: Me update you on hour one day because this is

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Speaker 5: a great pole question. Ryan Garcia and Tank Davis exchanging

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Speaker 5: now where we got a fifty five to forty five going,

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Speaker 5: that's a great poll question. Uh, who had the worst weekend?

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Speaker 2: Can you punch your friend in the face?

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Speaker 5: Definitely?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's that's I guess what happened, Well, there was

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Speaker 2: a body blow that ended that fight.

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Speaker 5: In this couldn't even tell what happened either, Like I'm

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Speaker 5: looking for an angle to see where he at when

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Speaker 5: he actually got punched, But they're in so close together

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Speaker 2: Those body blows, man, they take a toll. It's like

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Speaker 2: when you watch and you go, oh, you know when

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Speaker 2: somebody hits somebody in the face and you're like, whoa.

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Speaker 2: Those body blows add up and then you get to

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Speaker 2: the later rounds and then that's when somebody's you know,

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Speaker 2: defenses start to drop a little bit, and then they

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Speaker 2: drop after that. I mean Rocky right, yeah, he proved it. Yeah, Drago, yes,

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Speaker 2: I must break you.

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Speaker 4: Those rib shots.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, no, no, no, no, you know what, that

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Speaker 2: movie is great.

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Speaker 5: They get right into there's there's no wasted scenes. They

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Speaker 5: get right you get right into it. Drago's a thing,

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Speaker 5: Apollo dies, and then Rocky's on a flight to Russia.

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Speaker 5: Next scene. All right, let's run it back. It's a

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Speaker 5: great movie.

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Speaker 2: The new pole question is who had the worst weekend?

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Speaker 5: Then we kind of need to populate this a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Okay, how about did John D. Murray he bumped an official?

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Speaker 2: I have to tell people he's Atlanta Hawks and and

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Speaker 2: by the way, he's a good player, but he's he's

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Speaker 2: gonna get suspended.

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Speaker 1: I think sat down yet.

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Speaker 2: Villain Brooks. I'm calling him, not Dylan. He's Villain Brooks,

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Speaker 2: even though he doesn't want to embrace that. Uh he

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Speaker 2: did not have a good weekend. Uh oh, here's one

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Speaker 2: for you. Over under Lebron James points for tonight Grizzlies

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Speaker 2: getting four and a half against Lakers. What do you

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Speaker 2: think the over under his since everybody thought Lebron was

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Speaker 2: going for at least forty last game. It's not how

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Speaker 2: he plays. The whole legacy was yeah, I know, his

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Speaker 2: legacy was on the line and he let you down.

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Speaker 5: And what he allowed somebody to hit him in the balls,

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Speaker 5: I don't know the legacy He.

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Speaker 2: Did not allowed them to invited.

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Speaker 1: He invited that content.

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Speaker 7: He put him out there, he baited Heylan Brooks.

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Speaker 5: Dribbled the ball right behind him, right there, knowing Dylan.

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Speaker 3: Brooks classic move.

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Speaker 5: He invited that context.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, villain Brooks is blaming us the media.

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Speaker 8: I've been dealing with this two years now. It is

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Speaker 8: what it is. The fans could talk whatever they want to,

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Speaker 8: doesn't matter to me.

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Speaker 4: You think you've you've been dealing with this for the

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Speaker 3: What is this?

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Speaker 8: What do you mean by that? One? The media and

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Speaker 8: making me a villain, the fans making me a villain,

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Speaker 8: and then that just creates a whole different persona on me.

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Speaker 8: So now you think I intended to hit Lebron James

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Speaker 8: and the nuts I'm playing basketball basketball player.

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Speaker 2: Okay, these are two separate things. You're having a pity

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Speaker 2: party because you wanted attention, got attention, all the attention

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Speaker 2: going into this game, and then Lebron gets hit. Okay,

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Speaker 2: there's other things that have factored into Dylan Brooks being

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Speaker 2: a villain because he wanted to be He wants to

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Speaker 2: be noticed. Hey, I can get eighteen and nobody cares. Well,

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Speaker 2: I can get fifteen, and then I can have eighteen

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Speaker 2: technicals this year. I can get in Lebron's ear. I'm

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Speaker 2: making the highlights. People talking about me when I'm getting eighteen,

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Speaker 2: nobody cared. You got what you wanted. Embrace it. You

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Speaker 2: didn't talk to the media after the previous game, which

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Speaker 2: was soft. All right, you want media attention? What what

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Speaker 2: was wrong with meeting with the media afterwards?

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Speaker 3: Embrace it.

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Speaker 2: Be a villain, Draymond Green does. It's not like he's going, Hey,

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Speaker 2: I blame you guys because I'm getting these calls against me.

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Speaker 2: He knows that, and you're going to be focused on

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Speaker 6: it's a lot to let me just rewind you had

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Speaker 4: So do we have any more basketball questions?

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Speaker 4: Gonna remember Dylan Brooks like we remember Ruben Patterson.

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Speaker 2: Wow, because he punched a horse?

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Speaker 4: Correctly, they call him the horse puncher.

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Speaker 2: Todd whisperer punch.

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Speaker 7: I cannot find a story of Ruben Patterson punching a

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Speaker 2: No, I don't want to indict everybody who played at Cincinnati.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Todd looking a Danny Fortson's story.

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Speaker 2: Danny Fortson punched the horse.

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Speaker 2: Okay, my bad in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 3: He claimed self defense. You image that the horse started talking.

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Speaker 9: Yes, time, Danny Fortune was with Art Long, who may

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Speaker 4: They were together dropping acting up.

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Speaker 4: Seeing something that Art Long through the punch and Danny

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Speaker 4: Sar Sty Logan.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, tuh.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, Todd.

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Speaker 2: Well, that was a Cincinnati basketball player.

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Speaker 2: You punched a horse?

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Speaker 5: That seems unnecessary?

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Speaker 2: Lebron missed his opportunity for his Jordan.

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Speaker 2: Right, We'll take a break. Ryan Leaf said to join

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Speaker 2: You've got a lot of things going on and your

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Speaker 1: Is that true? No, I've I've never spoken. I had

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Speaker 1: just like, this is this is absurd.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but is your agent responsible for this?

439
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Speaker 1: Or is Bill Pollion? No, my agent is. I found

440
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Speaker 1: out a few things over the last week. Bill Pollian

441
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 1: and I talked this week after I got after him

442
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Speaker 1: a little bit.

443
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 2: Oh he called you.

444
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Yeah, we wanted to have a conversation.

445
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 2: Apologies.

446
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know. I think that my wife and

447
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 1: I were in the car. We just dropped the kid

448
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:02,880
Speaker 1: off at school when he called, so she was with

449
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,199
Speaker 1: me in the drive. She loves to just type on

450
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 1: notes things I should say, and she shows it to

451
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 1: me as I as I drive. But yeah, I thought

452
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 1: it was good adults had a conversation. I was, you know,

453
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing is I didn't think I

454
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 1: was worthwhile enough for the longest time to have my

455
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 1: own back. I don't maybe didn't think I had a chance.

456
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 1: In Houston at the Houston super Bowl, mcleve and I

457
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 1: and our wives were at Lee Seinberg's party and I'm

458
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,160
Speaker 1: at the urinal and walks next to me is Bruce

459
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,400
Speaker 1: Arians and I remember thinking in my mind at the time,

460
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:39,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is perfect time to confront him. Of course, yeah, yeah,

461
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 1: I didn't say anything. I still it was like, I

462
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 1: don't know, two years, three years out of prison, and

463
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 1: I just still felt kind of it's still like a

464
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 1: kind of a pos and so I just didn't have

465
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,159
Speaker 1: the backbone to do it. I have a little more

466
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:51,880
Speaker 1: resolved right now. I like who I see in the mirror.

467
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Speaker 1: So I just on last week, I just said I

468
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 1: was fed up with it. I'm tired of the revisionist history.

469
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Speaker 1: This could never have happened, never have happened, we never met.

470
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 1: Uh So I let it, let it be known, and

471
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 1: I think there was a really good response from it,

472
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: and I think it made me, you know, it made

473
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 1: me feel better about myself and finally sticking up for myself.

474
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it does feel like that everybody in the

475
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 2: Cold War room wanted to take Peyton Manning and not you,

476
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,439
Speaker 2: And that's not the case. No. Now that I was

477
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 2: told that they had it might have been split because

478
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 2: you had more talent than Peyton in my in my opinion,

479
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,959
Speaker 2: you had more ability than Peyton, you had more mobility.

480
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 2: You didn't have the approach that he had, and that's

481
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 2: what's made him one of the great quarterbacks of all time.

482
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 1: I did have the approach. I watched film like crazy,

483
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 1: I loved practice, I did all the things. I just

484
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 1: was unprepared for. What how money was going to change me?

485
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 1: You cannot quantify. You can't quantify that variable at any point.

486
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Speaker 6: Now.

487
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 1: I do think that's changing with Nil. I think you're

488
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 1: going to start to get an understanding from some of

489
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: these guys when they make millions of dollars while in college.

490
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 2: But how did money change you?

491
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 1: The idea that successful was money, power, and prestige. I

492
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: don't know where I where that was taught to me.

493
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 1: It wasn't from my father, it wasn't from where I

494
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: grew up. But it was that that made me more

495
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 1: important than you, and I didn't have to listen to anybody,

496
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:13,400
Speaker 1: So you didn't.

497
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 2: Have to lower yourself to a reporter asking you a question.

498
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: Right, I was, I was rich and famous and I

499
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 1: played football. If you had gone to a different franchise

500
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: any better? No, Oh, you were who you were and

501
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 1: money was going to change you. Money and the other

502
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 1: variable you can't quantify, and for me, we couldn't. How

503
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 1: was I going to deal with failure at the very

504
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 1: highest level? What if I would have led the league

505
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 1: in interceptions my rookie year like Peyton did, How would

506
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 1: I had dealt with that? Probably horribly because I saw

507
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,400
Speaker 1: that as a failure. Yes, So those were the two things. Now,

508
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 1: if I went to Indianapolis with Marshall Fulk and Marvin Harrison,

509
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: may have my character defects been let's say, denized, not

510
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 1: seen for a little while longer, but geographic change. For

511
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 1: somebody like me, it doesn't matter no matter where I go,

512
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 1: there I am, and so if I'm the problem, I

513
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 1: have to fix me before any of it can be

514
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: realized in a positive way. So I don't like the

515
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: revisionist history around my talent, my approach. I think the

516
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 1: things that need to be talked about was the idea

517
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,919
Speaker 1: that everything was going to be easy like it had

518
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 1: like I thought it had been in college and in

519
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: high school, which it wasn't. I worked my tail off,

520
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: but I just in my mind thought I could just

521
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: go out and do what I did my whole life.

522
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 2: But I always say this, and this comes from a

523
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 2: source who's a scout, who said, I always want to

524
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 2: see the series after you through an interception like that

525
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 2: tells me more about you than I'm going to stand

526
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 2: back there behind a great offensive line, great wide receivers

527
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 2: and I'm just going to throw touchdown passes. I want

528
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 2: to see when you fail and you respond that that

529
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 2: tells him a lot about And he's scouting for AFC

530
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,719
Speaker 2: teams right now. But looking at this draft, I'm not

531
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 2: sure about any Richardson talent. But he wasn't talent enough

532
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 2: to dominate in college.

533
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 1: CJ.

534
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 2: Stroud. It's hard to assess an Ohio State quarterback are

535
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 2: the best wide receivers they have? Right? They have a

536
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 2: better wide receiving core than a few NFL teams, Yes

537
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 2: they do. Will Levis couldn't start at Penn State Henn

538
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 2: Hooker's twenty five coming off ACL I, I mean, how

539
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 2: many quarterbacks should be drafted in the first round, not

540
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 2: will be, but should be.

541
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Speaker 1: I only have two first round grades on quarterbacks in

542
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: this class, and that's Bryce Young and CJ. Stroud.

543
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 2: I have a Are they close?

544
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: I think so, yes. I for the longest time saw

545
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: him as the first overall pick to Carolina just because

546
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: of his size, because of his accuracy, all falling. He

547
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: is I think in the eyes of a lot of

548
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 1: the media. I have a call. I had a call

549
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 1: with somebody pretty close to the Carolina Panthers this last week.

550
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: And you know the the S two test, you know,

551
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: through a through a wrench into nice plan ession.

552
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 2: Now this is for quarterbacks.

553
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so. The wonder Lick was an all encompassing

554
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 1: test that was taken by everybody for the longest time

555
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,959
Speaker 1: at the combine. They've because of new data and new

556
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 1: ways to do different things. This was more of a

557
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: reactive test in real time, in real time and UH

558
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: scores got leaked last week and CJ. Stroud's score was not.

559
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 2: But explain to me how this, you know, since we'll

560
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 2: never be in that room. What what's it look like

561
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 2: when you go into the room to take this test.

562
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: It's almost like a whack a mole, you know, you

563
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: you it pops up, you hit it right.

564
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 2: So it's all visual. That's there, You're you're.

565
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: You're standing, there's the red light, there's boom. Your reaction

566
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: is peripheral.

567
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 2: Okay, so this is red light green light type.

568
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: Type of things and reactionary two things stimuli when something

569
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: does this, how do you react to that? Safety drops

570
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: down to the strong side, You wheel back and throw

571
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: a backside eight cut for the post. Things like that.

572
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: San Diego had me do something very similar. It wasn't

573
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: called the S two at the time. When I went

574
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: down there for really kind of a cognitive reactionary drill,

575
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: and I killed it. Like the peripheral for me was

576
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: was really good. Our Wonderlick test, Peyton and I were identical.

577
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: So again it's all these things. I don't know if

578
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: I put a ton of stock in it. He sure

579
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,479
Speaker 1: looked good reactionary while he was at Ohio State, you know,

580
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: throwing touchdowns and so I like him a lot. I

581
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: think that he can be a good pro quarterback. I

582
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: thought with him having Frank Reich, Josh mcnow and Jim

583
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: Caldwell in place. I thought that was a really good

584
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: fit for him. I think it will be for Bryce

585
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: Young too. I suspect both of them will be the

586
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:43,959
Speaker 1: first two quarterbacks the teams.

587
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 2: Let's say the Cold Who would leak this because we know,

588
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 2: you know, strategy leading up to the draft, and there's

589
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 2: there's stuff that comes out and like Will Levis, you

590
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 2: know his side of things, the cold side of thing,

591
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 2: Like I don't, I don't discount anybody this situation like this,

592
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 2: like why did this get out? Why is it getting

593
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 2: out now? And who's it benefit?

594
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: Well, I think there could have been some blowback from

595
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: Carolina folks if they were if they didn't take CJ. Stroud.

596
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: I really do, And so this may be a way

597
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: for them to you know.

598
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 2: Oh, they're validating their pick by saying this is why

599
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 2: we didn't take CJ. Yeah, okay.

600
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: I do think that has something to do with it.

601
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: And I also think there was some of that involved

602
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: with what the Cold strategy was For me. I think

603
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: a lot of people may have been upset if they

604
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: didn't draft me first. Overall, well, hey, here's all the

605
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,959
Speaker 1: stories we got for you. You know, this is this

606
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: is why we didn't do it, and there was never

607
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: really a you know, a chance. I think Jim mersay, really,

608
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: you know, I think he really wanted me and weld

609
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: probably understand why we're both very impulsive individuals, and so

610
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: that makes a little more sense. Twenty five years later

611
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: and him and I've had a conversation about it. I

612
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: asked him the question. I was hosting Rich Eye Show

613
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: one time and I had Jim on and I asked

614
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: him a question, how like, how close was I to

615
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: be in a cult? And he was He said, I

616
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: talked to a guy that I trusted immensely in the NFL,

617
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: had been in the NFL for a long time, and

618
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: he flat out told me, you can't pass on this leaf, kid.

619
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: And I said, well, good thing, you good thing. You

620
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: didn't listen to him. So I do think there's I

621
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: think there's something to that. I think there's leverage. I

622
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: think there's understanding about winning the PR battle. I do

623
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: think now that I put my mock out a week

624
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: ago and I had C. J. Stroud as the number

625
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: one overall pick, and then Houston making a couple moves

626
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: to try to get the second and third pick. I

627
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: think that changes now. Of course, I do think Bryce

628
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: Young goes number one overall.

629
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, Anthony Richardson once again got a lot of ability.

630
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 2: Will Levis looks like a guy who's going to play

631
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 2: a quarterback in a movie. Hendon hook Her I like

632
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 2: a lot, but he's twenty five coming off ACL I'm

633
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 2: just trying to figure this out that you know, Bryce Young,

634
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 2: you know he's small. I just want to know if

635
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 2: you can play.

636
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: I think and I think that the the two guys

637
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: at the top have showed that they can play, and

638
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: I think Hendon Hooker has shown he can play more

639
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,239
Speaker 1: interceptions in the last two years. Guy is accurate. Some

640
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: people have questions because of what Josh Hipel's offense is

641
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: like in terms of how it translates to the next level.

642
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 2: I had somebody who said that hype will put him

643
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 2: in a position to succeed. Well, I would hope so,

644
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 2: I know, but that was you know, once again, you

645
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 2: got like Baker Mayfield when he's at Oklahoma. Hey, Lincoln

646
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 2: Riley put him in a position to succeed.

647
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: What does that even mean? Wouldn't you do that as

648
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: a head coach?

649
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 2: No? But then then can he succeed on his own

650
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 2: when he doesn't have Lincoln Riley or when you don't

651
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 2: have Josh Hipel when you go into the NFL, and

652
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,479
Speaker 2: let's say you have a head coach who's defensive minded,

653
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 2: not offensive minded.

654
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Speaker 1: So I mean, there's so many variables that go into

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Speaker 1: a successful NFL quarterback. The right spot, the right coach,

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Speaker 1: the right personnel. How do you deal with failure? All

657
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: these things? And I do not think that the organizations

658
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Speaker 1: actually take as much accountability as they should. And they

659
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Speaker 1: label a guy a bus Let's say Anthony Richardson goes

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Speaker 1: to the Colts and they want to hold him, they

661
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Speaker 1: want to keep him on the bench, let him learn.

662
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Speaker 1: But Gardner Minshew struggles, the town starts clamoring for him

663
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Speaker 1: to come in. He comes in, pulls him the leak.

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Speaker 1: Willis doesn't look like he's prepared, ready to go. All

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, that disappears. And now because of the

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Speaker 1: rookie salary cap, Indianapolis is back in the market a

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Speaker 1: year from now looking at Caleb Williams or Michael Pennox

668
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Speaker 1: Junior or Drake May and everybody's just like you know,

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Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson, the bust. Well, guess what, Anthony Richardson probably

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Speaker 1: shouldn't be drafted in the first round, and in fact,

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Speaker 1: I have a third round grade on him. So if

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Speaker 1: that's the case, you're doing this, you're doing him a

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Speaker 1: disservice unless you have a plan ready for him. And

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Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody else out there at all

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Speaker 1: is advocating for something like this. Maybe it's because I

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Speaker 1: went through what I went through, but I don't want

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Speaker 1: to see anybody else fail. I don't want to see them. Well,

678
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: he could go to Seattle and sid for two years.

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Speaker 1: You think, well, you better have a plan in place.

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Speaker 1: It better be executed rock solid when you draft him.

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Speaker 1: If you're wishy washy with it, then that's on you.

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Speaker 2: Caleb Williams, if he came out this year.

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Speaker 1: Would be the number one overall draft pick, and I

684
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Speaker 1: do think Michael Pennock Junior would be the number two

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Speaker 1: overall pick.

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Speaker 2: The Washington quarterback who transferred from Indy.

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Speaker 1: I really think he has a chance to be the

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Speaker 1: best Pack twelve quarterback next year and be the Heisman

689
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Speaker 1: Trophy winner if he has the season he had last

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Speaker 1: led the nation in passing. He's got his receivers back.

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Speaker 1: This is going to be an unbelievable Pack twelve season

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Speaker 1: in terms of quarterback play. I mean, you have bo Nix,

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Speaker 1: you have Dju at Oregon State under Jonathan Smith, you

694
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: have Caleb Williams, you have Cam Rising when he comes back,

695
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: Michael Pennock junior. The PAC twelve is loaded. What we

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Speaker 1: saw this year from the SEC in terms of quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: For next year's draft, we're gonna see it in the

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Speaker 1: PAC twelve next year.

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Speaker 2: You know who I love and he's not going to

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Speaker 2: get love. The UCLA quarterback got my number four. I

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00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 2: got him second round grade. I really like him.

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Speaker 1: But you know, since I've moved to Connecticut, you and

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Speaker 1: I are kind of on the side.

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Speaker 2: I know that's scary. That's scary. We have certain tendencies,

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Speaker 2: but not other tendencies.

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Speaker 1: I like the way you think they're too tons of starts,

707
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: tons of experience played in a pro style.

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Speaker 2: Off Kelly Schiff.

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Speaker 1: Kelly, I like he's got velocity for a smaller guy,

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Speaker 1: he can move. I mean, if you put him in

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Speaker 1: a in an offense similar to what we saw Shane

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Speaker 1: Steiken do a year ago with Jalen Hurts, they remind

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Speaker 1: me a ton of yes, a lot of each other.

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Speaker 1: So I don't think he'll go in the second round.

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Speaker 1: I think you'll get a steal with him, maybe in

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Speaker 1: the third, early fourth, and he can end up in

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Speaker 1: a place where ultimately I'd.

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Speaker 2: Love to see him in Baltimore if you didn't have

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Speaker 2: Lamar and you decided, I mean, maybe I'm overselling. I

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Speaker 2: just I like what I saw and I hope he

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Speaker 2: gets an opportunity and he's not waiting on that third

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Speaker 2: day before I let you go. B Jeon Robinson should

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Speaker 2: be taken where will be taken.

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Speaker 1: With his talent, he should be a top ten pick easily,

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Speaker 1: but the running back position is so devalue.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but if I make him Deebo Samuel, now he's different.

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Speaker 2: I got to make like, if I'm a running back,

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Speaker 2: I want to be going in as the hybrid. I

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Speaker 2: want to be that kind of running he is.

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Speaker 1: But they still aren't willing to. Now, I will say this,

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Speaker 1: being able to draft a player because of the rookie

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Speaker 1: salary cap and get a fifth year option and most

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Speaker 1: likely get at a franchise taking you may have him

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Speaker 1: for seven years on a limited amount of money. If

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Speaker 1: that's the way you're thinking, you think it's a piece.

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Speaker 1: By all means, I have him going to the Dallas

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Speaker 1: Cowboys around twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he might go to the Falcons. Yep, he might

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Speaker 2: go up early.

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Speaker 1: Arthur Smith needs to do something. I don't know what

741
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Speaker 1: he's got on Arthur Blank, but I've never seen a

742
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Speaker 1: guy that's been so mediocre in his first two years,

743
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Speaker 1: you know, you know, just kind of kind of just

744
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Speaker 1: sliding by through everything. He better win this year. It's

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Speaker 1: got to be a conversation around that.

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Speaker 2: He's Ryan Leave always great to see you, you too,

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Speaker 2: You make his smarter. His serious XM radio show, NFL

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Speaker 2: Leeve brought up some interesting points, including the money and

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Speaker 2: how money changed him when he first got into the NFL.

774
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 2: You got more money up front and it changed him

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Speaker 2: and he thought he was better than everybody else. And

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Speaker 2: he talked about that and he had a run in

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Speaker 2: with the media that was caught on camera. And there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of pressure that goes along with that, going

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00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,919
Speaker 2: that high in the draft, the expectation level, the money

780
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,240
Speaker 2: they're going to pay you. And if you are taking

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Speaker 2: these quarterbacks high, we're under the impression that they're all

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Speaker 2: ready to play in the NFL because they've been playing

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Speaker 2: in a pro system, pro style since high school and

784
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Speaker 2: then college and then you get into the NFL, all right,

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00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 2: you should be able to make that transition. And he

786
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 2: brings up the Anthony Richardson situation. If you take him,

787
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 2: then you must commit to not playing him right away,

788
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 2: because when you do it, the fans love new they

789
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 2: love Shiny. And I'll go back to what Houston did

790
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 2: when they took Steve McNair. They didn't play him for

791
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 2: three years and then when he was ready to play,

792
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 2: he did. But you gotta be careful when you do that.

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Speaker 2: The Bengals, Carson Palmer is going to join us tomorrow.

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00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 2: The Bengals took him number one overall, didn't play him

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Speaker 2: his first year, but John Kittna was went like eight

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Speaker 2: to eight that year for the Bengals. You got to

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00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 2: fight that urge that you're going to put somebody in

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Speaker 2: and go, he's going to change our team, yes, Ton.

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Speaker 4: And not being able to deal with or process failure.

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Speaker 9: I thought that was the other second thing that he

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Speaker 9: thought was really important, beyond not being able to deal

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Speaker 9: with a lot of money at a young age.

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Speaker 2: I think it's one of the most important traits when

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Speaker 2: I and the only reason why I say this is

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Speaker 2: because somebody told me this is what they're looking for.

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Speaker 2: What do you do after you've thrown a pick six?

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00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 2: What do you do after you just got sacked the

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00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 2: next series? What do you do when you're getting your

809
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 2: rear end handed to you? How do you play? How

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00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 2: do you act? How do you interact with your teammates?

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Speaker 2: Do you, you know, shut it down? Do you get

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Speaker 2: fired up? Do you get in people faces? These are

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Speaker 2: all the things that scouts have to look at and

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Speaker 2: factor in because that's what the NFL is. You're not

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Speaker 2: going to be playing, you know, Ohio State against Indiana

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Speaker 2: and you get to sit back there and throw whatever

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Speaker 2: you want to throw. There's no easy games here. Now

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Speaker 2: you're gonna have failure. The question is how much and

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Speaker 2: how do you react to that. Let's go around the

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Speaker 2: room for best and worst of the weekend, Seeton. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna start with you, best and worst of the weekend.

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Speaker 5: There are no best this weekend. Dann my worst lebron.

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Speaker 2: He let me count for me.

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Speaker 5: He really, Oh you know what, No, actually, my best

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Speaker 5: wash them those guys exchange the phone numbers. I really

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Speaker 5: thought all the Boxers, yeah okay, yeah. I was really like,

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Speaker 5: oh man, that's awesome.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 5: This dude just got his ribs broken in and he's like,

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Speaker 5: hey man, it's all good.

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Speaker 3: Let's go for coffee, right.

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Speaker 2: Todd Best and worst of the week I'm going with

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Speaker 2: a New York theme.

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Speaker 9: Best Nicks dominating the Cavs Friday night at MSG in

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Speaker 9: Game three ninety nine seventy nine, first time all year

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Speaker 9: in both the regular season and playoffs that a team

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Speaker 9: was held under eighty points. Cavs just had seventeen in

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Speaker 9: the first, fifteen in the second. Worst of the weekend,

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Speaker 9: next scoring just nineteen in the third and fifteen in

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Speaker 9: the fourth at home in an elimination games Saturday afternoon

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Speaker 9: swept by Philly.

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Speaker 11: All Right, Marvin best of the weekend the Crypto dot

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Speaker 11: Com employees King's Game Friday Night, Clippers Saturday Lakers Saturday.

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Speaker 11: Shout out to all those employees they turned that turned

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Speaker 11: the rink into the court, turned the Clippers court into

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Speaker 11: the Lakers court. They were busy all weekend. Other best

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Speaker 11: of the weekend, you're a man of the people.

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Speaker 4: I am.

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Speaker 11: The former Knicks players, Latrelle's free well our boy, Jamal Crawford,

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Speaker 11: Bernard King, John Starks at the Knicks playoff.

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Speaker 2: Games, Larry Johnson, Larry Johnson, great, Paulie, best and worst.

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Speaker 7: I'm also gonna throw in a little nick. You know

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Speaker 7: Josh Hart from the Knicks. Yeah, I don't know much

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Speaker 7: about him. He know, he's had a nice extending to

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Speaker 7: go to Nova. He's had a nice career. He started

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Speaker 7: a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Yeh.

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Speaker 3: He's like Hall of guys I.

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Speaker 7: Want on my team. I don't even know if he

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Speaker 7: ever just fifteen points a game. He probably driverags like eleven.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 7: He's one of those just nice players and he's having

863
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 7: a good playoff series. The other story was the Pirates

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Speaker 7: minor leaguer Drew Maggy. He was in the miners for

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Speaker 7: thirteen years. Video, thirty three year old infielder.

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Speaker 2: Great video.

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Speaker 3: He's in Double A.

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Speaker 7: In Altoona and they film his manager saying, Hey, we're

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Speaker 7: gonna send someone up, and it's almost like for the

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Speaker 7: first ten seconds when he finds out I'm going to

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Speaker 7: the majors.

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Speaker 3: He was stunned.

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Speaker 7: He's walking around, he can't answer. Thirteen years in the miners.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how you continue to do that without

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Speaker 2: giving up. Unbelievable. All right, more phone calls coming out.

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Speaker 2: Reggie Miller will join us, coming up in about twenty

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Speaker 2: five minutes from now. Hope you'll join us in the

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Speaker 2: final hour. Okay, you're wondering about the starting lineup. Fritzy Seaton,

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Speaker 2: Marv Paulie and yours truly Dan Patrick Show