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Speaker 1: A friend, Michael Malice is back in the mix. He
Speaker 1: is the author of the excellent book The White Pill
Speaker 1: and also the host of You're Welcome with Michael Malice. Michael,
Speaker 1: great to see you again, sir. Tell me what's what's
Speaker 1: your response because people are going to be watching and
Speaker 1: listening to this right after the first round of results
Speaker 1: has come in from Iowa. You surprised? It all about
Speaker 1: what's happening in American politics? What do you see happening.
Speaker 2: I'm a little surprised because there was a question about
Speaker 2: whether the establishment will be able to get enough support
Speaker 2: to at least put a dent into stuff into Trump's momentum,
Speaker 2: especially with you know, putting man these kind of suburban
Speaker 2: swing voters. I think it was obviously, you know, a
Speaker 2: very decisive victory for him. Remember you know, he lost Iowa,
Speaker 2: came in second in twenty sixteen. This seem to be
Speaker 2: a path for him. And I also think it's really
Speaker 2: my favorite thing. I think Trump is much better as
Speaker 2: a candidate than as a president, and especially because he
Speaker 2: causes his opponents to degenerate into the stupidest, like juvenile
Speaker 2: versions of themselves. So seeing that play out in social
Speaker 2: media and in the corporate press is something that is
Speaker 2: kind of enjoyable to watch. And I missed that from
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen.
Speaker 3: Do you think.
Speaker 1: Trump is in a good spot to go all the
Speaker 1: way against Biden? I mean, the part of this that
Speaker 1: I can't seem to really fully get my hands wrapped
Speaker 1: around is they've got to know at some level that
Speaker 1: you know, the polls were right in Iowa, right, and
Speaker 1: the polls got they nailed it pretty much, and so
Speaker 1: the oh, you can't trust poles. You can't trust poles
Speaker 1: if people are playing games and everything's within three or
Speaker 1: four points, right, I mean, you know there are ways
Speaker 1: that there can be manipulation thirty points. If polsters can't
Speaker 1: get it right by that kind of number, and you know,
Speaker 1: then there's no reason for that repolling. My question to you, Michael,
Speaker 1: is Biden's behind in every state that matters, right, in
Speaker 1: every state that's up for grabs to Trump right now,
Speaker 1: before Trump's even the nominee. What's their game? Going to
Speaker 1: be like, are are they just? Are they in an
Speaker 1: impossible situation? What do you see the Democrats doing well?
Speaker 2: I mean Trump was behind you know, everywhere that mattered
Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen as well, and he pulled it out.
Speaker 2: So you know, you all remember, I mean twenty twenty
Speaker 2: two was supposed to be this red tsunami and that
Speaker 2: didn't end up happening. So just because Biden's behind every
Speaker 2: state now, if you want to look at it, if
Speaker 2: you want to really put on your old person hat,
Speaker 2: go back to nineteen eighty at this point, I think
Speaker 2: Carter was just completely clopper and Raven Reagan, and he
Speaker 2: obviously was decimated come November, so we have a long
Speaker 2: way to go. I also think people underestimate what Democratic
Speaker 2: tricks they have up their sleeve. I don't mean particularly
Speaker 2: the Biden campaign, but you do have this whole media
Speaker 2: and legal apparatus designed to keep President Trump from returning
Speaker 2: to the Oval office. So who knows who's going to
Speaker 2: start getting arrested and imprisoned between now November.
Speaker 3: At the very least.
Speaker 2: The other thing that scares me is there's a big
Speaker 2: incentive now for Biden to escalate war because historically, speaking
Speaker 2: as at the very beginnings of Wars, that tends to
Speaker 2: enormously improve the approval ratings of the commander in chief.
Speaker 2: So the fact that this is one of the few
Speaker 2: actions he can take that would possibly result in better
Speaker 2: standing for him in the polls is something that I
Speaker 2: think is very disheartening.
Speaker 3: To think about.
Speaker 1: What do you think about what's going on in Ukraine?
Speaker 1: And did you see this guy coach Redpill, who used
Speaker 1: to do this kind of like alpha male coaching stuff
Speaker 1: on YouTube. And I've seen some of his videos before.
Speaker 1: Some of what he said I can't speak to, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know the guys, but some of what he
Speaker 1: said I said, Oh, this guy's actually making some interesting points.
Speaker 1: I've seen maybe one or two clips of his videos
Speaker 1: in the past. Anyway, he was in custody in Ukraine.
Speaker 1: He's an American citizen, he is dead. What's going on there?
Speaker 1: And what do you think is happening in Ukraine overall?
Speaker 1: Because I'll just say this, I don't see a lot
Speaker 1: of people hang in Ukraine flags out their windows anymore,
Speaker 1: almost like it was for some people a fashion, because
Speaker 1: I would think that now more than ever, they would
Speaker 1: want to be all in, yeah.
Speaker 3: I think we don't really know what's going on Ukraine.
Speaker 2: And we can't really know because at the very least,
Speaker 2: even if you take everything at things value and think
Speaker 2: people have good, honest motivations, the opponents are still watching
Speaker 2: the same news everybody else is, So the very least.
Speaker 3: You're gonna have to play cards close to your chest.
Speaker 2: Because you don't want to give the opposing forces too
Speaker 2: much information. I think it's become very clear that for
Speaker 2: a long time Zaviansky wanted to on some level cut
Speaker 2: some kind of deal with Putin, and he had some
Speaker 2: gun to his head went from the US, NATO or
Speaker 2: other European countries, who knows. And I think the fact
Speaker 2: that this is kind of now becoming quietly spoken about
Speaker 2: as a possibility is at least something to hope for
Speaker 2: in terms of minimizing civilian casualties on both sides. Of course,
Speaker 2: the guy you mentioned, coach red Bill, he did follow
Speaker 2: me on Twitter. I did not know his work, And
Speaker 2: whenever you hear of an American citizen, you know, being
Speaker 2: murdered abroad, it's just it's obviously very disheartening, and especially
Speaker 2: how little seems to have been done about it if
Speaker 2: maybe if he had been some kind of lgbt's athlete,
Speaker 2: then Divide administration would have been much more worked up
Speaker 2: to and motivated to bring him home safely. But it's
Speaker 2: it's it's it's tough when you hear stories like this,
Speaker 2: especially with someone who's has a little bit of a
Speaker 2: name and then who didn't seem to be particularly a
Speaker 2: nefarious person.
Speaker 1: Now you're from that part of the world, right, I
Speaker 1: mean for our audience, so ever knows. I mean you
Speaker 1: you grew didn't you grow up in what was the
Speaker 1: city you were born in?
Speaker 3: I grew up in this obscure town called Brooklyn. I
Speaker 3: have heard of it. I was born in Ukraine. I
Speaker 3: left there when I was one and a half.
Speaker 1: So okay, yeah, but you were I'm right, maybe look
Speaker 1: at me like I'm crazy. You were born in Ukraine.
Speaker 1: I just think that's an interesting factory.
Speaker 3: I was born in Ukraine.
Speaker 2: That that's true, but I obviously have any memory of
Speaker 2: it whatsoever, and obviously not that you're saying otherwise.
Speaker 3: The Ukraine of the seventies is you know, complete and.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, totally different from from over doing now. I
Speaker 1: was just I was just pointing at ox I thought
Speaker 1: it was an interesting factor. It like, you know something
Speaker 1: that people you know wouldn't necessarily know because actually you
Speaker 1: grew up here in America and obviously don't speak with
Speaker 1: an accent or anything. But how do we end that
Speaker 1: whole thing?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 1: Because one thing that I've seen is, you know, Trump
Speaker 1: has said I'll end it on day one, and everyone's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll end it on day one. Okay, Well, how like
Speaker 1: what does it look? What does ended look like?
Speaker 2: To you? Yeah, I'm gonna be a little pedantic when
Speaker 2: you say, how do we end it?
Speaker 3: I don't think we end it? I think they end
Speaker 3: it right.
Speaker 1: I think this is very much that's a fair point.
Speaker 1: How do they end it right?
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be very much a matter of
Speaker 2: Putin and Zudinsky and other Eastern European leaders and Central
Speaker 2: European leaders sitting down and cutting a deal. I think
Speaker 2: Putin is going to end up with some gains. I
Speaker 2: think that is in some ways a bad message to send.
Speaker 2: I think NATO is going to be expanded, which is
Speaker 2: also something not particularly in favor of. And when you
Speaker 2: start having these kind of backdoor international treaties, it really
Speaker 2: hurts the sovereignty of our individual country. And my big
Speaker 2: concern is that Biden or whoever the next president might be,
Speaker 2: is going to lock us into more of these treaties
Speaker 2: that's going to impose the need to have American troops
Speaker 2: on the ground in places they should never step foot
Speaker 2: and begin with.
Speaker 1: So that's yeah, I think that there's going to have
Speaker 1: to be a negotiated settlement to this and end to it.
Speaker 1: What is your biggest concern for America these days?
Speaker 2: My biggest concern for There's a lot. That's a great,
Speaker 2: great question. I think the metrics are going in a
Speaker 2: positive direction in every sense almost. But my biggest concern,
Speaker 2: and I think this is something that pretty much everyone
Speaker 2: watching this is going to agree with, is some sort
Speaker 2: of World War three escalation in fighting in China, We're
Speaker 2: fighting in the Middle East, We're fighting in Eastern Europe,
Speaker 2: maybe even in South America. I think there is an
Speaker 2: enormous center of power in Washington and elsewhere that would
Speaker 2: love for this to happen. I think Nikki Haley is
Speaker 2: clearly their candidate who was championing at the bit for
Speaker 2: this to happen, and that is something that is my
Speaker 2: biggest concern for America.
Speaker 1: No question that that was funny. It was gonna be
Speaker 1: my next question. I mean, do you think that the
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you, Nikki Haley? Let me brought
Speaker 1: it out a little bit. You'll often hear from people
Speaker 1: on the right who are I think, generally very in
Speaker 1: touch with the mentality and psychology of the base. They'll
Speaker 1: say that there is a war contingent of the GOP
Speaker 1: and then it is as straightforward as they get their
Speaker 1: jollys from the exertion of American power on the global stage,
Speaker 1: and they like all those stock options from Boeing, Raytheon,
Speaker 1: et cetera. Do you do you think, I mean, is
Speaker 1: that how real is that? I know there's some truth
Speaker 1: that obviously Nicky Hello is on the board of Boeing,
Speaker 1: But is that an oversimplification in your mind or is
Speaker 1: that actually just scratching at the surface of it.
Speaker 2: No, they're also sociopaths who are power hungry and enjoy
Speaker 2: the idea of being imperilests without having to have that
Speaker 2: label attached to them. So when you're bombing other countries
Speaker 2: overseas and you get to call yourself the good guy,
Speaker 2: I think it kind of feeds off to that power.
Speaker 2: But I do think you know, you know, eisenhowerre very
Speaker 2: famously warned about this. The war machine has been going
Speaker 2: on for a long time. Liz Cheney needs a third house.
Speaker 2: So if your sons and daughters have to be slaughtered overseas,
Speaker 2: that's just too darn bad. And the thing is why
Speaker 2: I think these people are malevolent is because there's never
Speaker 2: this sense of you know, what we you know, bungled it.
Speaker 3: Last time, Maybe we should think twice the second time.
Speaker 2: Right. It's like if you and I, you know, opened
Speaker 2: a restaurant and the restaurant folded, we'd be like, all right,
Speaker 2: before we open another restaurant, what did we do wrong?
Speaker 3: Let's engineer this. You know, something didn't happen correctly.
Speaker 2: If there's never this reflection, there's never this sense of, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, on our way out Afghanistan, we killed a
Speaker 2: bunch of kids.
Speaker 3: Oops.
Speaker 2: I mean, no one even got fired, let alone reprimanded
Speaker 2: for killing innocent children. So I mean, when you speak
Speaker 2: about levels of evil, that's the kind of thing where
Speaker 2: it's just something that's beyond what you and I are.
Speaker 3: Pretty much anyone listening to this would wrap.
Speaker 2: Their heads around. These people are far closer to you know,
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein than to mister Smith goes to Washington.
Speaker 1: Well, let's come back and discuss a little more about
Speaker 1: the trajectory of the GOP and also maybe we can
Speaker 1: get you to tell me some of the things you
Speaker 1: think are going in the right direction these days, because
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Speaker 1: find I think you brought up a really necessary point,
Speaker 1: and it's we've seen what happens when we try to
Speaker 1: do these wars abroad. It has not worked because we
Speaker 1: actually aren't a true imperialist country. We're not doing mercantilism.
Speaker 1: We're not just showing up, you know, taking all the
Speaker 1: diamonds or taking all the oil and then figuring out
Speaker 1: how to pacify things afterwards. And so the lack of
Speaker 1: strategic vision for this stuff I think is very obvious
Speaker 1: because of the failures. But by the same token, you
Speaker 1: get people that get away with going on TV and saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: Ukraine and Russia are locked in this trench warfare. I
Speaker 1: think it's literal trench warfare in some parts of the front.
Speaker 1: But if we don't do everything to keep this war
Speaker 1: going against Russia, they're going to roll through Poland and
Speaker 1: Germany and France, etc. How is that something that anyone
Speaker 1: can say with a straight face. They say it all
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 3: Well, I'll give you an even better example.
Speaker 2: There were over fifty intelligence officials that claim that Hunter's
Speaker 2: laptop had hallmarks of Russian disinformation. Now, if I was
Speaker 2: a media outlet and I repeated this with a straight
Speaker 2: face because I'm not an expert on Russian misinformation, I'll
Speaker 2: defer to experts. People have you know, inside knowledge. And
Speaker 2: when I get if I got burned that badly by
Speaker 2: all of them, I would never have them on my
Speaker 2: show again because I'm like, you know what, I trusted you.
Speaker 3: You made me look like a fool. But that's not
Speaker 3: the case.
Speaker 2: So the reason is these people never have consequences for
Speaker 2: their lives and depravity because they're in bed with these
Speaker 2: media outlets because they're saying what the people behind the
Speaker 2: media outlets want them to say. So there's no sense
Speaker 2: of accountability. And that's the one good thing. Excuse me,
Speaker 2: that's one that one of the great things about social
Speaker 2: media is now in real time you can fact check
Speaker 2: their lives and propaganda that people think are coming to
Speaker 2: understand that people in the military who are you know,
Speaker 2: historically revered often themselves have an agenda that is not
Speaker 2: in line with America's interests.
Speaker 1: Do you think and I mean this in the sense
Speaker 1: of recent as in maybe the last six to twelve months.
Speaker 1: Do you see the legacy corporate media losing ground and
Speaker 1: under pressure in ways that we never really have before.
Speaker 1: Have we entered a new phase? Is that too strong?
Speaker 1: How would you gauge where things are with that?
Speaker 2: We are in a new phase specifically because of one
Speaker 2: feature on one social media website, which is community notes
Speaker 2: on Twitter. So for those of you who have lives
Speaker 2: of like Buck and myself, who aren't spending all your
Speaker 2: days on Twitter, how it works is New York Times,
Speaker 2: CBS News, some other outlet sends out a tweet that
Speaker 2: is about an article or you know, interview or something
Speaker 2: like that. If they lie in that article or story,
Speaker 2: the community, the Twitter community, can put a community note
Speaker 2: that fact checks the story, and the notes always written
Speaker 2: objective language. It's not like Trump's the best. It's like
Speaker 2: they are claiming this, These are the facts and here
Speaker 2: are the links. So this is happening in real time
Speaker 2: constantly that as soon as they put out some propaganda,
Speaker 2: they are called on it immediately. So to be to
Speaker 2: have that microphone, imagine you and I are giving a
Speaker 2: speech and you're promoting your candidates around, promoting mine, and
Speaker 2: as soon as you, as a politician say something, someone
Speaker 2: interrupts it goes. Actually, Buck, when he was governor, he
Speaker 2: increased spending. Immediately, your capacity to persuade people and manipulate
Speaker 2: them is nipped in the bud. So this is something
Speaker 2: that is unprecedented. In the same way I can imagine
Speaker 2: growing up, if you're watching the evening news at dinner
Speaker 2: with the family and on TV, as Dan rathers line,
Speaker 2: it would just fact check him. This is something that
Speaker 2: would never have happened before, and it's happening now in
Speaker 2: real time, and we have Elon must.
Speaker 3: To think for this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that people. And I just read actually
Speaker 1: the Isaacson biography of Elon and it gave me a
Speaker 1: little more. I knew a fair amount about his career,
Speaker 1: but more of the backstory, particularly on SpaceX, than I
Speaker 1: had had before. And he's a guy right now who
Speaker 1: is doing I think it would be hard for me
Speaker 1: to make the case that there's anyone who is doing
Speaker 1: more of benefit to human truly of benefit to humanity
Speaker 1: on a global level than Elon Musk. And it's interesting
Speaker 1: because because of what you just said, now the left
Speaker 1: has turned on him right now now, a lot of
Speaker 1: people that used to be pro elon because he has
Speaker 1: bought Twitter and allow and calls it X. Now they
Speaker 1: don't care about the fact that he's doing more for
Speaker 1: electric cars and doing more for space exploration and battery technology,
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera than anyone else in.
Speaker 2: The world, because it's never been about SpaceX and battery power.
Speaker 3: It's always been about power and that's all that matters.
Speaker 2: And I would remind people that you know, always complain,
Speaker 2: oh my, so many people are against me. It's never
Speaker 2: about having majority's about having an alternative. And everyone listening
Speaker 2: to this, remember, for decades people are having strokes and
Speaker 2: heart attacks because Fox News and Roger Hailes, there was
Speaker 2: one network on cable that had any sort of alternative
Speaker 2: to the overwhelming progressive corporate propaganda elsewhere, not that Fox
Speaker 2: didn't have its own sense of propaganda. And now they
Speaker 2: would wish to go back to a time where the
Speaker 2: furthest right, and only alternative people had was Fox News.
Speaker 2: So we're going in a very positive direction in terms
Speaker 2: of people having alternative alternatives to the official corporate media narrative.
Speaker 2: And that is one of the reasons I'm so hopeful
Speaker 2: for the future of this country.
Speaker 1: I want to push more on that or get get
Speaker 1: more into that. Michael. His book is the white Pill everybody,
Speaker 1: and a white pill is a thing that is good,
Speaker 1: that makes you feel optimistic. Right, So the opposite of
Speaker 1: taking the like, well, the red pill is eye opening, right,
Speaker 1: black pill is like everything is terrible. It isn't this
Speaker 1: how this goes? I have my everything.
Speaker 3: What it's a rap, it's a wrap. It's not just terrible.
Speaker 3: It's done. Like there's no hope.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, no hope. Right, Okay, black pills, there's
Speaker 1: no hope. White pill is there's hope. We'll talk about
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Speaker 1: You mentioned this, things moving the right direction in this country.
Speaker 1: Elon X community notes, that's great. What else do you
Speaker 1: see that's making you think it's not all over yet?
Speaker 2: That we're taking on the universities. Finally, I've been champing.
Speaker 2: I've been yelling about this for years. I would tell
Speaker 2: everyone listening to this, who would you rather have on
Speaker 2: the Supreme Court if you had to have between these
Speaker 2: two choices, nine random Democratic senators or nine members of
Speaker 2: the New York Times editorial board, And then ask yourself,
Speaker 2: who would you rather have? Nine members of New York
Speaker 2: Times EDITORI board or nine Harvard Social Studies social social
Speaker 2: studies professors. It's very obvious who are the most depraved
Speaker 2: people in this situation, who are the least accountable, and
Speaker 2: who have been the most cocooned from.
Speaker 3: Having to take on any hits or any damn.
Speaker 2: Now that the fight is being taken directly to the universities,
Speaker 2: which is where all the poisoning starts, which are really
Speaker 2: the kind of hives of the worst people and the
Speaker 2: worst ideas in this country. That is why I'm so excited.
Speaker 2: For decades the fight was in Washington, where media journalists
Speaker 2: just lob bombs without any kind of pushback because they're
Speaker 2: in their barricades, and behind them was the university system.
Speaker 2: And now that we've stormed those first two breaches and
Speaker 2: are storming the first, this is why I am so
Speaker 2: excited about where things are going. The fact that Harvard
Speaker 2: tried to defend cluding gay and then had to publicly
Speaker 2: back down in a very humiliating way is just the
Speaker 2: tip of the iceberg and something that's absolutely beautiful and
Speaker 2: should harden everyone.
Speaker 3: Listening to this.
Speaker 1: Fantastic Michael Malice, everybody, Michael working folks go to watch
Speaker 1: and listen to You're welcome anywhere.
Speaker 3: Podcasts are available Spotify, YouTube.
Speaker 1: Right, go check out Michael's work. Maybe he'll have yours
Speaker 1: truly on as a guest soon, because you know Michael's
Speaker 1: people love it when Mike makes fun of my hair
Speaker 1: on his show, so you.
Speaker 3: Know, and every hair make fun of your head, you know.
Speaker 1: I like to pretend it's just my hair because that
Speaker 1: feels less personal than the fact that my creatium is huge.
Speaker 1: So anyway, all right, man, well you let me know
Speaker 1: I'll come and hang out and uh, Michael Malice, everybody,
Speaker 1: thanks so much, buddy, good to see you.
Speaker 3: It's a pleasure.
Speaker 2: Buck