Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Speaker 1: Sports Radio.
Speaker 2: Good on it to you, Dan Patrick Show, Fox Sports Radio. iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: App Welcome in things that I didn't know I needed
Speaker 2: before this weekend. Port chop on a stick and just
Speaker 2: I mean pork chop but a stick. I'm in saw
Speaker 2: that earlier this weekend. Hope you're getting ready for a
Speaker 2: great day on the lake, at the beach, at the house,
Speaker 2: cooking out, whatever it is. The last day of summer
Speaker 2: is here and we got you all morning long with
Speaker 2: Dan Byram, Doug Gottlieb of course, Jason Stewart our esteem producer,
Speaker 2: and we daily do the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox
Speaker 2: Sports Radio, which is three to five Eastern twelve two Pacific.
Speaker 2: We also have an hour podcast only for him, just
Speaker 2: hype in Doug Gottlieberhere you get podcasts. You can listen
Speaker 2: to the show whenever, wherever you want. Normally you can
Speaker 2: watch sports wherever you want. Now we can watch them
Speaker 2: on our phone. We're not as bad to like. I
Speaker 2: remember when the Kings were in the Stanley Cup Finals
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety three. Guys, I remember being at Lake
Speaker 2: Havasu and everybody came off the Lake because that was
Speaker 2: the only way to watch the Stanley Cup Finals. Now,
Speaker 2: like if you're on the Lake, if you have good
Speaker 2: sell coverage, like you can watch wherever on your phone,
Speaker 2: except if you're a DirecTV customer right now you can't
Speaker 2: watch ESPN. DTV has what eleven point three million subscribers,
Speaker 2: and right now there's no Disney owned channels on DirecTV.
Speaker 2: So they missed the SCLSU game. And then of course
Speaker 2: you have the NFL game, the Monday night stuff coming
Speaker 2: up this week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no Good Morning America for anyone watching on
Speaker 3: ABC on DirectTV. None of that not a zilch. And
Speaker 3: it was the timing of it that was was really
Speaker 3: the dirty pool portion of it, because I feel we've
Speaker 3: had this conversation over the last year or two's at
Speaker 3: Fair Jason and talking about streaming with the playoff game
Speaker 3: with the you know, there was the Black Friday game
Speaker 3: that was that was on Peacock, but over the last
Speaker 3: couple of years in the NFL, the I have to
Speaker 3: I have to get this streaming app to watch football?
Speaker 3: What is going on? And the thing that I didn't
Speaker 3: mind about that compared to what happened yesterday, Doug was
Speaker 3: we knew that these games were gonna be on Amazon
Speaker 3: or they were gonna be on Peacock. We had known
Speaker 3: that we had prepared for it. I don't think any
Speaker 3: direct TV customer was prepared for what happened yesterday. And
Speaker 3: it may not be a big deal in certain parts
Speaker 3: of the country. But imagine you're saying, Hey, I live
Speaker 3: in Baton Rouge. We're having twenty people over LSU's home
Speaker 3: opener three day weekend. We're gonna have a good time.
Speaker 3: We're gonna put the game up on the eighty five
Speaker 3: inch you know TV. We're gonna celebrate this in fifteen
Speaker 3: minutes before kickoff. After it was on all day long,
Speaker 3: the plug was pulled and you could not watch the
Speaker 3: usc LSU.
Speaker 2: Game DirecTV around now again, So this is a we
Speaker 2: don't none of us know the details right like again
Speaker 2: like we don't know the details of it. I would
Speaker 2: tell you that that's their like their strongest leverage is
Speaker 2: it's the old. It comes from our childhood. Do you
Speaker 2: remember money for nothing? Money for nothing dire straits right,
Speaker 2: it's the old. I want mine MDV because I used
Speaker 2: to tell you in ads, call your cable provider, tell
Speaker 2: them I want my MTV right, And so the thinking
Speaker 2: here is that you get people to call and go like, hey,
Speaker 2: where's my ESPN, where's my ABC? Like, that's not an
Speaker 2: US problem, that's a Disney problem. The problem is that
Speaker 2: you can't. There's if you're a if you're a direct
Speaker 2: TV subscriber, right, if you're a Direct TV subscriber, first
Speaker 2: of all, the change is so easy now, like I
Speaker 2: really think that there is. It's got to be hard
Speaker 2: to have leverage if you're a Direct TV because if
Speaker 2: you're watching it home last night and that thing happens,
Speaker 2: and then you're like, oh, there's no wait what fine,
Speaker 2: I'll just subscribe to YouTube TV. If I have internet
Speaker 2: my house, I flip it over and bang, I don't
Speaker 2: have to call my cable company. I'm done.
Speaker 3: I'm out, exactly.
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean most people had Direct TV left
Speaker 2: Direct TV when they lost a Sunday ticket. I know.
Speaker 2: I was one of them. When I found out I
Speaker 2: could get Red Zone and Sunday ticket elsewhere deuces them
Speaker 2: out and love I was a DirecTV customer for I
Speaker 2: don't know. My dad first got it when I left
Speaker 2: for college, because that was when you first could ditch
Speaker 2: the Gigantic. My first year playing, he had the Gigantic satellite.
Speaker 2: And then we're like, dude, you don't need that. Now
Speaker 2: you can get this little tiny direct TV thing and
Speaker 2: get every game. So but it is crazy that they
Speaker 2: pulled the plug fifteen minutes before. Really strong argument for
Speaker 2: either side because everyone the consumer is going to be pissed.
Speaker 3: Sure with everything that you laid out there, as you said,
Speaker 3: you know what this happened to us At our studio.
Speaker 3: I was doing the Sunday show that I do with
Speaker 3: Carrie Rhodes and we were sitting here and even our
Speaker 3: producer Ian said, what TV do you want the usc
Speaker 3: LSU game on? So when it comes up, we'll have
Speaker 3: it on our screen in the studio. So we told
Speaker 3: them the screen and then as we're doing our show,
Speaker 3: the graphic pops up that's still on all DirecTV channels
Speaker 3: that you know are from Disney with the little QR
Speaker 3: code on it, And we were caught off guard. Here
Speaker 3: and here we are. And now the good thing for
Speaker 3: us is we are prepared. We have smart TVs, but
Speaker 3: for certain spots we had to go and get an
Speaker 3: ESPN Plus account on the spot. So to me, that
Speaker 3: did the exact opposite of what DirecTV wanted you to do,
Speaker 3: and did exactly what ESPN wanted you to do, was
Speaker 3: to go to their app and purchase, whether it's a
Speaker 3: yearly subscription or a monthly subscription, if you were able to,
Speaker 3: so you could watch the game that was going to
Speaker 3: kick off in fifteen minutes. And I just don't I
Speaker 3: don't understand on DirecTV's thinking with that, because to me,
Speaker 3: it was just absolutely counterproductive to their point you did,
Speaker 3: ESPN came out the big winner because I'm sure they
Speaker 3: racked up subscriptions from southern California and Louisiana last night
Speaker 3: to watch that game.
Speaker 2: Sure, there's no no question at all, Like it's once
Speaker 2: you have the streaming element of it, like you just, yeah,
Speaker 2: the cable provider gets kind of screwed in this thing.
Speaker 2: But that's that's sadly the way this thing is gone.
Speaker 3: Here's the other question, why would you go back, not
Speaker 3: only technology wise, but have to, Like that's the hardest
Speaker 3: part about it. Like, as someone you talked about how
Speaker 3: long you've had direct TV, I have, I am I
Speaker 3: am like you or I felt like I've had this
Speaker 3: umbilical cord connected to MTV in cable since I was
Speaker 3: about five years old. Yes, it is difficult for me
Speaker 3: to trans position to cutting the cord and streaming and
Speaker 3: the whole deal. But if I'm getting screwed by my
Speaker 3: provider and done in such a blatant way, even though
Speaker 3: I'm used to forty years or whatever, it is of that,
Speaker 3: just that that bad will gesture, if you will, would
Speaker 3: make me say, all right, well, I'll just try to
Speaker 3: get used to the new stuff. Because they really really
Speaker 3: tried to screw me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, listen, I was, you know, everybody around me,
Speaker 2: I know, was like, you know, just cut the cord,
Speaker 2: cut the cord. And what pushed me to it was
Speaker 2: last year with Sunday Ticket going to going to YouTube TV,
Speaker 2: you know. And then in all honesty, like my first
Speaker 2: year with it, I didn't love it because I didn't
Speaker 2: think my internet was great, so I had some buffering
Speaker 2: issues whatever. And then now you move into a home,
Speaker 2: that's the first thing you do. It's like, hey, man,
Speaker 2: I need this, I need this internet to be top notch,
Speaker 2: top notch. Now again for direct TV, like one of
Speaker 2: the things they've always had is, you know, their own
Speaker 2: eighteen it's the same company, right, so you can they're
Speaker 2: still gonna get you. It's still gonna win if you
Speaker 2: have your AT and t Wi Fi. But it is
Speaker 2: amazing how much we are kind of tethered to the past.
Speaker 2: And it's it's not any I think that's a great
Speaker 2: that's a great word. By the way, congrats to you.
Speaker 2: I'm going to take that one and use it. But
Speaker 2: it's in many ways, you know, we're tethered to the
Speaker 2: past with college football, you know, with the NFL, with
Speaker 2: when things are played and when things are changed, and
Speaker 2: sometimes they come up with idea like, hey, that is better,
Speaker 2: you know what. I kind of like this, this is easy.
Speaker 2: And you know YouTube has the four box, which we
Speaker 2: haven't had. You know, you have the with the sports
Speaker 2: grid thing. But outside of that, like we didn't have picture.
Speaker 2: We haven't had picture and picture for years, right since
Speaker 2: we went to these plasmas or whatever, we went away
Speaker 2: from the picture and picture. So there's lots of different
Speaker 2: things within this, within the kind of new world order,
Speaker 2: if you will, which are pretty awesome. And yeah, last
Speaker 2: night was a night where it had to be a
Speaker 2: disaster for DirecTV because if you sit down to watch
Speaker 2: a game, and there's just another easy way to do it.
Speaker 2: And you're like, then once you get it, you get
Speaker 2: YouTube TV, Like, why do I need to go back?
Speaker 2: That ends up diminishing your business greatly.
Speaker 3: Jason Stewart's a YouTube TV subscriber.
Speaker 1: I got it in twenty eighteen as people were starting
Speaker 1: to cut the cord. So I very much am a
Speaker 1: proponent for YouTube TV and streaming. So when I saw
Speaker 1: this story last night, I'm like, oh, okay, well, then
Speaker 1: that is an easy fix. Just go to YouTube TV
Speaker 1: and never have satellite again. That was kind of my
Speaker 1: callous thought of this. I'm guessing ESPN and Disney know
Speaker 1: this too, because how many people went to Hulu and
Speaker 1: how many people went to the ESPN plus that you did, Dan.
Speaker 1: And by the way, if the sports fans don't get
Speaker 1: direct TV to give in in this negotiation Bachelor Nation,
Speaker 1: if I'm missing my Bachelor finale this week, you better
Speaker 1: believe there's going to be a price to pay.
Speaker 3: It's a really good point because I thought that football
Speaker 3: fans would be so irate that they would make this
Speaker 3: emotional decision because the game wasn't aired. Where if you
Speaker 3: cut it off right after the game, I think that
Speaker 3: football fans could maneuver their life, like missing the news
Speaker 3: that night isn't that big of a deal. They'll just
Speaker 3: watch the different affiliate from that town. They can get
Speaker 3: their information that way. But when you seemingly actively try
Speaker 3: to ruin someone's night or vacation or their last rite
Speaker 3: of summer, I think that leaves an awful taste in
Speaker 3: your mouth. And I again Dougie said, we don't know
Speaker 3: the exact timing of it, but to me, it is
Speaker 3: not a coincidence that it was fifteen minutes before this
Speaker 3: big college football game that was the only show in
Speaker 3: town last night.
Speaker 2: I'll give you the I'll give you the opposite of it.
Speaker 2: How it used to work, right. People have said this
Speaker 2: forever about remember ESPNU. I was on the first ever
Speaker 2: broadcast of ESPNU, and they used to strategically put some
Speaker 2: of the bigger games on ESPNU so that you'd call
Speaker 2: your cable people and go, why don't I have ESPNU?
Speaker 2: They're like, well you got to have this other package,
Speaker 2: Like okay, well I want it right. That's what happened
Speaker 2: with with FS one, you know, And honestly that's what
Speaker 2: happened with Peacock, you know. What Peacock was trying to
Speaker 2: do for the last couple of years. Notre Dame Football
Speaker 2: put a couple on there, and now you have to
Speaker 2: have your Peacock. Peacock was really struggling ntil they got
Speaker 2: the Olympics and then they got Big ten football, and
Speaker 2: now they're going to have NBA basketball, et cetera, et cetera. So,
Speaker 2: but previously it would make you want to download the
Speaker 2: streaming service or get go to that cable provider. Whoever,
Speaker 2: now it's like I can, I can get it elsewhere.
Speaker 2: The cablerovider becomes the one that is that feels like
Speaker 2: they're sol if you will.
Speaker 3: I think that there are probably a lot of people
Speaker 3: who have direct TV and ESPN Plus, right. I think
Speaker 3: that that's probably fair. But what Direct TV did last
Speaker 3: night alienated that good will. Again. I would I've got
Speaker 3: streaming Peacock. I'm like, you know what, I signed up
Speaker 3: for the DOUG as you said, for Big ten stuff,
Speaker 3: and I've just always kept it and just been like,
Speaker 3: we have direct TV at home. But I'm like, you know,
Speaker 3: and I'm also just keep it. It doesn't hurt. It's nice
Speaker 3: to have there. If there's you know, a Premier League
Speaker 3: match or college football or whatever. And as you said
Speaker 3: during the Olympics, it was fine. It didn't hurt me.
Speaker 3: And I bet you that a lot of people would
Speaker 3: have just said, oh, ESPN Plus, this is okay, I'll
Speaker 3: just sign up and I'll keep my direct TV. But
Speaker 3: when you are, when you are scorn, and you are
Speaker 3: you are directly affected by what happened last night, just
Speaker 3: leaves a bad taste in your mouth. I would not
Speaker 3: go back, That's yeah, I would. I would not be happy.
Speaker 2: He's Dan Byro, I'm Doug Gottlieb. It is the Dan
Speaker 2: Patrick Show. Fox Sports. Ready during the home emergencies, every
Speaker 2: second counts. That's why you need simply save home security
Speaker 2: with Simply Save twenty four seven monitoring agents act within
Speaker 2: five seconds of receiving your alarm. Visit Simply save Dan
Speaker 2: dot com and save twenty percent today. There's no safe
Speaker 2: like simply safe.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: Coming up next, I'm going to interview two people who
Speaker 2: recently finished the Aaron Rodgers book by Ian O'Connor. You
Speaker 2: don't want to miss it. It's next.
Speaker 4: Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be
Speaker 4: sure to catch us live every weekday morning nine to
Speaker 4: noon Eastern or six to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4: Find your local station for the Dan Patrick Show at
Speaker 4: Foxsports Radio dot com, or stream us live every day
Speaker 4: on the iHeartRadio app by searching FSR, or stream us
Speaker 4: live on the Peacock app.
Speaker 3: He's Mike Carmen, I'm Dan Bayern. We have a fantasy
Speaker 3: football podcast called I Want Your Flexed.
Speaker 1: That's right, Dan.
Speaker 5: Every week we're gonna scour the waiver wire to find
Speaker 5: the pickups to turbo boost your fantasy lineup, sit starts,
Speaker 5: fantasy football players rankings to get you ready to dominate
Speaker 5: the competition.
Speaker 3: I Want Your flex with Mike Carmon and met Dan
Speaker 3: Byer on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts and wherever you
Speaker 3: get your podcasts.
Speaker 2: And for Dan and Dannettes Stan Patrick Show, Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2: There's a there's a new book out there called Out
Speaker 2: of the Darkness. It's written by Ian O'Connor. Out of
Speaker 2: the Darkness The Mystery of Aaron Rodgers. So and I
Speaker 2: thought we'd have a a special book review for this correct. Yeah,
Speaker 2: special book review. Dan, Dan Byer, Jay Stu, Jason Stewart
Speaker 2: are an awesome one two combination of book reviewers. That
Speaker 2: is that that? That's this is? Is there a proper
Speaker 2: order for this?
Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you what you get both ends of
Speaker 3: the spectrum here. Because Jason is an avid book reader.
Speaker 3: For how long have you been doing audiobooks?
Speaker 1: I got upwards of twenty years my book listening habits.
Speaker 1: There's always a book on my phone. So if I'm
Speaker 1: going on a walk hike in my car, I'm listening
Speaker 1: to a book. A lot of people spend that time
Speaker 1: doing podcasts or listening to music. I'm typically listening to
Speaker 1: a book and I've been doing it for like twenty years,
Speaker 1: so I've gone through like twenty five books a year.
Speaker 1: And then I added the technology, this whispersing technology with
Speaker 1: Amazon where I could read the digital book and then
Speaker 1: it picks up where I left off after I'm reading
Speaker 1: in my car, or once you push the on audible
Speaker 1: dot com. So I've mastered the art of listening to books.
Speaker 1: And then recently I heard Dan Byer said, you know what,
Speaker 1: I purchased the Aaron Rodgers book. I'm going to listen
Speaker 1: to it, and I'm like, Dan, that is in my queue.
Speaker 1: How about we do this. Let's listen to the book together.
Speaker 1: And then when we're done, we'll make content on it
Speaker 1: on radio. And Doug, who is you know? Doug is
Speaker 1: one of the best interviewers in our business. He had
Speaker 1: Ian O'Connor. That's the sound of somebody thumbing through a book,
Speaker 1: so it's very relevant.
Speaker 3: Yes, Yes, the.
Speaker 1: Interview with Ian O'Connor, by the way, you could find
Speaker 1: it on our iHeartRadio app. It's a great interview. Doug
Speaker 1: did a great job with the end, and I figured,
Speaker 1: since you did the author, why don't you do two readers.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's welcome in two readers for our listeners. One
Speaker 2: is Jason Stewart from Brea, California. The other one is
Speaker 2: Dan Byer from where do you want to be called?
Speaker 2: You're from Meryl, Wisconsin, Meryl, Wisconsin. From Meryl, Wisconsin. Let's
Speaker 2: start with you, Dan, But.
Speaker 1: Hold on, se I have a cute way of rhyming
Speaker 1: this segment. And I didn't have time to send it
Speaker 1: to Bob and Vito for this, but allow me to
Speaker 1: do this. It's time for the Dan and j Stu
Speaker 1: audio book review.
Speaker 2: I see the review with Jay stem hear the sales. Hi,
Speaker 2: I'm your host. Doug Gottlieb for the Dan and Jay
Speaker 2: stew audio book review.
Speaker 3: Let's start with you, Dan.
Speaker 2: Your biggest takeaway from said book?
Speaker 3: My biggest takeaway, the part that I was most excited
Speaker 3: to see or to listen to and to get to
Speaker 3: was what happened with the fallout of his family? How
Speaker 3: did this come about? And I was shocked to find
Speaker 3: out that it just came with something that happened during
Speaker 3: his relationship with Olivia Munn. And to think that this
Speaker 3: is continued now there there's previous evidence of Rogers doing
Speaker 3: this to other people. But to to continue this freeze
Speaker 3: out or as they called it in the book, the
Speaker 3: island stemming from something that his girlfriend at the time
Speaker 3: but then ended up being ex girlfriend kind of seemed
Speaker 3: to fuel was shocking to me. I thought there was
Speaker 3: something that was much deeper rooted, that there was something
Speaker 3: that had been going on for years, that his family
Speaker 3: had wronged him or he had felt wrong by his family,
Speaker 3: and the book did not convey that. It seemed like
Speaker 3: it was maybe a conversation over the holidays. I believe, Jason,
Speaker 3: if you can back me up, that something just went
Speaker 3: wrong and from then on it was persona non grata
Speaker 3: with Aaron Rodgers and his parents and other family members.
Speaker 3: I was shocked to hear that it was something that
Speaker 3: was just not this huge, huge deal.
Speaker 1: And Aaron, by the way, is quoted in the book.
Speaker 1: He does an interview with Ian O'Connor as Doug went
Speaker 1: over with Ian. He gave Ian, I think like forty minutes.
Speaker 1: So he kind of addresses some of these things. And
Speaker 1: one of the things he does is he addresses this.
Speaker 1: He denies that Olivia Mond was the reason. He claims
Speaker 1: that it is more deep seated. It goes back further.
Speaker 1: There are other factors, but he doesn't like to talk
Speaker 1: about it, so we never really know that the reason.
Speaker 1: And to Dan's point, let me tell you what is Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's the reason?
Speaker 2: It is more deep seated. But I think the Olivia
Speaker 2: mun thing is more the I don't know if you
Speaker 2: want to say tipping point or is the micro to
Speaker 2: the macro. I just they were exceptionally exceptionally not just
Speaker 2: conservative in their religious views, but also like sort of judgmental.
Speaker 2: And I'll give you something that Aaron told me a
Speaker 2: long time ago, which was we were, as you guys know,
Speaker 2: we were friendly for a while and he's he told
Speaker 2: me to watch the movie Gleason. Have you guys watched
Speaker 2: the movie Gleason? No negative, one of the hardest docs
Speaker 2: you're ever going to watch. I mean, just you're watching
Speaker 2: a man an NFL player and it's just faculties dissipate
Speaker 2: at the movie. Anyway, at one point in time, they
Speaker 2: take him to like a almost like a faith healing church,
Speaker 2: you know where you know they're gonna rid you of
Speaker 2: the demons. You're gonna walk down the aisle, you know,
Speaker 2: to the to the pastor and they're gonna they're gonna,
Speaker 2: you're gonna be rid of this dreaded disease. Right, And sadly,
Speaker 2: he does everything that they asked.
Speaker 4: Him to do.
Speaker 2: He says he believes and obviously there's no change to
Speaker 2: als to his condition. And Aaron told me, like that's
Speaker 2: how my family has thought, which is like they they're
Speaker 2: that religious concern, religiously conservative, and they're not welcoming to
Speaker 2: other thoughts. And that was the part. And then I
Speaker 2: think the fact that his brother went on national TV
Speaker 2: and kind of out of their family business was really
Speaker 2: probably that that's the straw that broke the camel's back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's addressed, and to kind of button up Dan's point.
Speaker 1: I too thought that this was my biggest takeaway from
Speaker 1: the book is that by the end of the book,
Speaker 1: you get the feeling because he completely severed ties with
Speaker 1: his immediate family. So he's got two brothers and he
Speaker 1: has parents that he hasn't spoken to, and it's sad.
Speaker 1: It's interesting and it's sad. But I got the feeling,
Speaker 1: and Dan, maybe you did too. Here by the end
Speaker 1: of the book, you got the feeling that, you know,
Speaker 1: Connor who got the parents on the record for this
Speaker 1: book many times. You almost got the sense that the
Speaker 1: parents wanted to be quoted in this book to try
Speaker 1: to establish a relationship with their son again because they
Speaker 1: literally haven't been able to communicate with them. It's so sad.
Speaker 1: But that was so fascinating to me. Did you get
Speaker 1: that takeaway as well?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And heck Ian O'Connor gave them a ride to
Speaker 3: the game that they played against the Bills. The Jets
Speaker 3: did that Monday night affair, like that's how it ended
Speaker 3: up working out, where they rode together to the game.
Speaker 3: But there was also a story that they started out
Speaker 3: the book with because you know, it really covered rogers
Speaker 3: whole life, but It started out with Roger's dad showing
Speaker 3: up to the Tahoe golf event, the celebrity golf event,
Speaker 3: and kind of just surprising Aaron Rodgers. And there didn't
Speaker 3: seem to be an animosity in that exchange. There was
Speaker 3: a hug, there wasn't I love you. There seemed to
Speaker 3: be maybe some mending going on, but yeah, it just
Speaker 3: to me that was I mean, for something that was
Speaker 3: so big to be able to be mended like that,
Speaker 3: or to have that be the first step, was just yeah,
Speaker 3: pretty pretty shocking. I feel for the parents.
Speaker 1: I want them to mend ways because you just your
Speaker 1: heart goes out to them. Whatever quirks Aaron has, and
Speaker 1: he's very stubborn and in his own ways, but to
Speaker 1: just not have a relationship with your son, you just
Speaker 1: feel for it. And I think, you know, Connor does
Speaker 1: a great job of describing that pain and then the hurt.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I guess here's a question. Did it change Dan?
Speaker 2: You've always had kind of a negative perception of Aaron? Yeah,
Speaker 2: did it change that opinion?
Speaker 3: I think that I have more of an understanding of
Speaker 3: his background. This there's a whole chapter called The Island,
Speaker 3: and that's where his parents are. That's where he's kind
Speaker 3: of exiled other people in his life, which I thought
Speaker 3: was interesting to see how he's maneuvered stuff and tried
Speaker 3: to be the smartest guy in the room. Never appealed
Speaker 3: to me. But to hear his route through high school
Speaker 3: to what he did, you know, at Butte, at the
Speaker 3: junior college, and the success that he had, Like, the
Speaker 3: talent is undeniable, but it wasn't as easy of a
Speaker 3: road as other greats would so I had more of
Speaker 3: an appreciation in that regard. It's one thing to be like, Okay,
Speaker 3: a guy played at junior college then went on to
Speaker 3: play at Call and was a star. But when you
Speaker 3: get the details of what he went through and the
Speaker 3: recruiting process and other players, that added more substance to
Speaker 3: me about Aaron Rodgers and his bringing in who he was,
Speaker 3: which was impressive. I mean, the route that he took
Speaker 3: to get to where he was was very impressive.
Speaker 1: What about you two, I'm a fan. I'm a fan
Speaker 1: of both him as a player and about like his
Speaker 1: eccentric nature off the air, I mean off the field.
Speaker 1: I listened to the podcast that he does. I like
Speaker 1: that he's an independent thinker, that he often goes against
Speaker 1: the grain. He says stuff that you're not supposed to say.
Speaker 1: And each of those incidents where he's gotten into trouble
Speaker 1: publicly are laid out in detail in the book, and
Speaker 1: it's very interesting. I think my appreciation for the guy increased.
Speaker 1: I learned a lot of things I didn't quite know
Speaker 1: about him. There was an episode and the name of
Speaker 1: the Green Bay talk show host is at Wildy, Jason Wilde,
Speaker 1: Jason Wilde. I guess he did a Tuesday hit with
Speaker 1: him back in the day when they did phoners and
Speaker 1: stuff locally, so it was kind of like the Pat
Speaker 1: McAfee of today. Aaron would do his Tuesday radio hit
Speaker 1: and give his Tuesday radio hit host more details than
Speaker 1: the beat guys were getting and will he brought up
Speaker 1: this story and I never remembered this, that he had
Speaker 1: the talk show host ramp him up for this what
Speaker 1: about the gay rumors? And Aaron went into detail and said,
Speaker 1: I'm not gay. I like women a lot. And the
Speaker 1: reason why he wanted to address that wasn't to deny
Speaker 1: that he was gay, like a Mike Piazza thing where
Speaker 1: he held up press conferences that I'm not gay. He
Speaker 1: wanted to make it clear because it was being used
Speaker 1: as a negative thing about gay people. He's like, I
Speaker 1: had a lot of gay friends, and I didn't want
Speaker 1: it to be used as a derogatory term towards me.
Speaker 1: I don't remember that happening, So that was interesting. Just
Speaker 1: kind of one thing that I learned in this book
Speaker 1: that made me kind of appreciate the guy a little
Speaker 1: bit more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean that that had been a rumor.
Speaker 2: I do remember that being addressed, and you know, it's
Speaker 2: it's sad. That's kind of like, that's our fallback for
Speaker 2: so many guys, right is we don't know them or
Speaker 2: understand them, so we must be gay. Any of they
Speaker 2: are like why is there a negative taboo towards that?
Speaker 2: But whatever? Okay. Would you tell a friend would you
Speaker 2: recommend the book?
Speaker 3: Yes? I would. I would. I think it gives you
Speaker 3: a clearer picture. The other thing that popped into my
Speaker 3: mind about the book is Doug You've had you know,
Speaker 3: Andrew Brandt, who is a weekly guest on your show
Speaker 3: on Fox Sports Radio, was you know, a contributor to
Speaker 3: this book. Was someone that Ian O'Connor spoke with. There
Speaker 3: are former players that he spoke with, And I just wondered,
Speaker 3: in speaking in this book, will Aaron Rodgers exile those
Speaker 3: people or will he will? It depend on what they say,
Speaker 3: Like I wonder if Aaron Rodgers will read the book
Speaker 3: or listen to the book. Probably not.
Speaker 1: Well, remember he told Boomer and Boomer's co host was
Speaker 1: it Geo? When he did that hit a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago, right when the book came out, he said,
Speaker 1: I probably won't read it. And I asked Doug on
Speaker 1: the air, I'm like, if someone spent two hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty interviews to do a three hundred page book about you,
Speaker 1: wouldn't you read it? So I have a feeling he
Speaker 1: is going to read it, and you're right. I think
Speaker 1: he's probably going to hold the grudges or I think
Speaker 1: he'll put people on the island who say things that
Speaker 1: he's not comfortable with or give away a little bit
Speaker 1: too much.
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's it's it's interesting because the truth of it.
Speaker 2: This is where the hypocrisy comes in. Right. He is
Speaker 2: a free thinker. He wants to be allowed to think freely.
Speaker 2: If somebody thinks something of him or of his opinions,
Speaker 2: that he is like they're on to the island. They
Speaker 2: go if they share it there to that and they
Speaker 2: go right, So it's like, wait, what is it? So
Speaker 2: I think therein lies the rub right, is the idea
Speaker 2: of free thinking to two parts to it. One when
Speaker 2: you think things which are categorically false and yet you're
Speaker 2: just in denier of very obvious, provable scientific facts, you know.
Speaker 2: And then the second part too, it is when somebody
Speaker 2: has an opinion that differs from yours, well you can't
Speaker 2: cut them on the cut them on the island, because
Speaker 2: only your thoughts are ones that are allowed to be shared,
Speaker 2: if that makes sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, his his his weapon is do your research, you know,
Speaker 3: but it's always on his playing field, you know, in
Speaker 3: terms of that aspect. And so a lot of people
Speaker 3: go into these conversations with him, you know, with a
Speaker 3: you know, with a pizza cutter. You know, that's their weapon,
Speaker 3: Like it's not going to do anything, and he has
Speaker 3: all the ammunition. And I think he likes that. I
Speaker 3: think he likes that. You know, Deshaun Kaiser was talking
Speaker 3: about and that Kaiser story had popped up on a
Speaker 3: a podcast, so that's where where it, you know, came from.
Speaker 3: But you know that stuff that that Rogers does like
Speaker 3: he's he's got the upper hand in that conversation. So
Speaker 3: it's not a it's not a back and forth by
Speaker 3: any means. It's a one way conversation. The immunizing stuff
Speaker 3: that he said. I think if if you would have
Speaker 3: said what he said in the book or told the
Speaker 3: you know O'Connor was that he was allergic to certain
Speaker 3: things in the in the vaccines, it's not an issue.
Speaker 3: It's the fact that he tried to fool everyone and
Speaker 3: then called out the media for not following up on
Speaker 3: his word usage, which is something that Rogers said he
Speaker 3: regretted doing so. He did say that in the book,
Speaker 3: which I thought was was interesting because I do think
Speaker 3: that that would have lessened a lot of the a
Speaker 3: lot of the inks towards Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: Will say he claimed to regret saying and that was
Speaker 1: the big headline when the book came out. That was
Speaker 1: the headline on all the sports books. Uh, Rogers regrets
Speaker 1: the immune ammunisation. If you if you hear or read
Speaker 1: what he said, he doesn't regret that he said immunization.
Speaker 1: He said he regrets that he did it because that's
Speaker 1: quote the only thing they have to use against me.
Speaker 1: In other words, he doesn't really regret misleading people. He
Speaker 1: just regrets that there's something that people always have to
Speaker 1: use against him. And I think that's an interesting way
Speaker 1: that that that's that's an interesting look at the way he.
Speaker 2: Thinks it's a victim mentality.
Speaker 1: There was, there was tangential things and real real fast.
Speaker 1: I found this fascinating. Like I remembered this obviously, but
Speaker 1: it made it made you go back and think about
Speaker 1: the time and place. So everyone remembers him being left
Speaker 1: in the draft room. Everyone remembers that. But what you
Speaker 1: don't remember, are there the tangential factors of this that
Speaker 1: John Gruden with a six pick, I want to say,
Speaker 1: told him that he was going to draft him, and
Speaker 1: he didn't and he took Cadillac Williams instead. Think about
Speaker 1: if John Gruden drafts Aaron Rodgers and he becomes Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: Do we ever see John Gruden on ESPN? How about this?
Speaker 1: Nick Saban had the second overall pick and he chose
Speaker 1: ron Brown, Ronnie Brown. He had Gus Feraud as his
Speaker 1: QB one and he chose Ronnie Brown. If Nick Saban
Speaker 1: drafts Aaron Rodgers, Does Alabama ever happen?
Speaker 2: No, No, nope, that's that's sports. That his life is true.
Speaker 3: That is the one if in a lot of drafts though, right,
Speaker 3: I know those are big figures, so I'm not trying
Speaker 3: to downplay it, but that is this team would have
Speaker 3: done that then have But yeah, to your point, how
Speaker 3: Aaron rodgers fortunes could have changed a lot.
Speaker 2: Of people and and we don't know that would have
Speaker 2: been that good if he goes to one of those
Speaker 2: teams and plays right away, because he didn't play right away. Right.
Speaker 3: I also got the back and forth with Farv that
Speaker 3: I I felt like it was aimed to put Farv
Speaker 3: in a bad light, and I don't think it put
Speaker 3: him in a great light as a teammate. But there
Speaker 3: also were parts where where Rogers is maybe a little
Speaker 3: guilty of something here or there, and I thought maybe
Speaker 3: we would get this full like, you know, Rogers did
Speaker 3: nothing wrong sort of thing. But there was what a
Speaker 3: hello Grandpa or sort of line that Rogers I think
Speaker 3: denied or at the time that that was mentioned. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 3: shot back with something or did something if Brett Farr
Speaker 3: was treating him like that.
Speaker 2: No question, no question. The Dan and j Snow audio
Speaker 2: book review, Part one has come to an end. The
Speaker 2: book is Out of the Darkness The Mystery of Aaron
Speaker 2: Rodgers by Ian O'Connor. Thank you man, Doug Gottlieb and
Speaker 2: Dan Buyer in for Dan Danet's Dan Patrick's Show. Do
Speaker 2: WNBA players appreciate Kayln Clark yet? We'll discuss next.
Speaker 4: Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be
Speaker 4: sure to catch us live every weekday morning nine until
Speaker 4: noon eastern six to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio,
Speaker 4: and you can find us on the iHeartRadio app at
Speaker 4: FSR or stream us live on the Peacock app.
Speaker 2: Damn Patrick Show rolls on here on Fox Sports Radio
Speaker 2: I Heart Radio App. I'm Doug Gottlieb dan By alongside,
Speaker 2: so too is Jay stew So have you seen that
Speaker 2: meme of uh it's it's like I retweeted it where
Speaker 2: it's uh uh it's like easy money And there's a
Speaker 2: w NBA player and they keep stepping on the rakes
Speaker 2: and get by and and the rake jumps up and
Speaker 2: you know, bops them in the face. So they can't
Speaker 2: get to the easy money. Have you seen that one
Speaker 2: at all?
Speaker 3: Demo, No, I haven't.
Speaker 2: It's probably the greatest represented representation of the idiocy that
Speaker 2: that we're seeing here. I mean, they're just just beyond
Speaker 2: dumb people. But we have another one, another dumb dumb
Speaker 2: who uh saw? To Sabali is that it Sato Sabali.
Speaker 2: Sato Sabali is a Dallas Wings player. She had this
Speaker 2: to say after Kaitlyn Clark and the Fever beat them
Speaker 2: in their arena.
Speaker 6: Obviously, it's annoying because there were way too many calem
Speaker 6: fans and I but like it just kudos because it's
Speaker 6: amazing to see so many people in women's basketball jerseys.
Speaker 6: It's amazing to see the excitement and the joy that
Speaker 6: comes out of that. So although I feel like our
Speaker 6: Dallas fans could have done better, I had mixed feelings
Speaker 6: obviously seeing all the Kaitlin jerseys in our home, but
Speaker 6: it's it's an amazing sign for women's basketball and it's
Speaker 6: just great how how far we've come, and it's just fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's good.
Speaker 2: No listen, I mean she obviously it's tongue planet for
Speaker 2: amillion cheek. But the one that thing is like I
Speaker 2: hope they understand there are no Dallas Wings fans When
Speaker 2: I say no, there's somebody out there right, But where
Speaker 2: it's it's like all these we see this in college
Speaker 2: football at the time, like Rambler Nation, there's no nation. Dude,
Speaker 2: stop stop. All you had to say was that was amazing.
Speaker 2: I cannot believe how many WNBA jerseys they were in
Speaker 2: the stands the Kaitlyn thing. This is awesome. But then
Speaker 2: you like the you know, our fans kind of let
Speaker 2: us down, like what do you mean what fans?
Speaker 6: Now?
Speaker 3: I actually thought our comments were magnificent, Like this is
Speaker 3: this is how it should have been from the beginning,
Speaker 3: like this is someone who gets it, who understands it,
Speaker 3: and and and I just felt I don't know if
Speaker 3: it's now because here we are on September second, and
Speaker 3: the playoffs are going to start in a couple of
Speaker 3: weeks for the WNBA. Where because Kaitlyn Clark is playing better,
Speaker 3: we're all past the you know what happened, or because
Speaker 3: she completely overshadowed Angel Reese in their game on Friday.
Speaker 3: I have no I don't know why things have taken
Speaker 3: a turn, but they have taken a turn now and
Speaker 3: this is the conversation. That's the things that should have
Speaker 3: been said from the get go. I mean, she was
Speaker 3: gonna play forty one home games this year, like truly,
Speaker 3: Like that's probably what gonna factor out to except maybe
Speaker 3: not in Seattle or maybe not in Vegas. But I
Speaker 3: mean essentially every game could be a home game for
Speaker 3: the Fever because of the crowd advantage. But as an
Speaker 3: opposing player, that's how you handle the situation.
Speaker 2: Yes, And just so, just so people were aware they
Speaker 2: had the second lowest average attendance for the year heading
Speaker 2: into that game.
Speaker 1: I think most people knew, though I'm joking. Yeah, isn't
Speaker 1: it funny how a SoundBite changes things? And remember last
Speaker 1: week that Lebron James when he talked about what BRONI
Speaker 1: should call him and he made that goat comment, Like
Speaker 1: you read it and it reads one way, and then
Speaker 1: you hear it and it's very joking and it totally
Speaker 1: takes the edge off. If you read what Satu Sabuli said,
Speaker 1: it totally comes off as her being bitter, and then
Speaker 1: you actually listened to it and it was tongue in
Speaker 1: cheek and she gives her a lot of credit.
Speaker 3: So yeah, This is where emojis could help in text,
Speaker 3: Like if you did the laughing emoji, like you would
Speaker 3: understand if you were just reading the quote or an
Speaker 3: old school lol.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yeah she said Lol.
Speaker 3: Did she laugh out loud?
Speaker 2: Know, everybody around her laughed out loud? That is it
Speaker 2: is really like the the number of players though that
Speaker 2: have come out, and then like we do this dumb
Speaker 2: thing with with the Angel Reese, like Angel Reese could
Speaker 2: be the rookie of the year, Like, no, she's not.
Speaker 2: What are we doing, Like there doesn't have to be
Speaker 2: This is not like a political thing where you have
Speaker 2: to be we have to be equal representation. Don't get
Speaker 2: me wrong. The Angel Reees rebound thing and as a coach,
Speaker 2: the way she plays like that has a tremendous amount
Speaker 2: of value, tremendous like Caitain Clark's playing like one of
Speaker 2: the five best players in the league. The team has
Speaker 2: their first winning season in like what eight years, They're
Speaker 2: playing really really well. It's not even a conversation. It's dumb.
Speaker 3: The conversation seemed to shift now because the comments that
Speaker 3: Nancy Lieberman made. Not only was Nancy Lieberman replacing Cheryl Swoops,
Speaker 3: who is a Hall of Fame basketball player, but also
Speaker 3: seemingly the number one Kitlyn Clark hater on the broadcast.
Speaker 3: But then Nancy Lieberman said she should be receiving some
Speaker 3: MVP votes. Kaitlyn Clark should during the performance where she
Speaker 3: had twenty eight and twelve yesterday in that win, and
Speaker 3: then all of the Asia Wilson stands came out and said,
Speaker 3: hold on, she's not getting any votes. She's not getting
Speaker 3: any MVP votes. This is Asia Wilson's award. Done deal.
Speaker 3: So it's it's it's you know, there's there's two there's
Speaker 3: two separate things going on, but the same thing when
Speaker 3: it comes to Caitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese, and then
Speaker 3: it's Kaitlyn Clark versus Hazel Wilson.
Speaker 2: If we did actual value, then it's Caitlyn Clark. And
Speaker 2: it's not close, right, If you do actual tangible financial
Speaker 2: win loss, number of people in the stands, all the value,
Speaker 2: it's not close. Everybody knows it. Now. Is Asia Wilson
Speaker 2: the best player in the league?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And is there team better?
Speaker 5: Sure?
Speaker 6: Now?
Speaker 2: Their team hasn't actually been good all year. And by
Speaker 2: the way, the only reason, literally the only reason we
Speaker 2: are having this conversation on September second, twenty twenty four,
Speaker 2: is because of Caitlin Clark, which is what is what's
Speaker 2: about to do? Was she was she was discussing like
Speaker 2: we there's there's no Wings Nation. Nobody in Las Vegas cares,
Speaker 2: right they they don't. Is it something that people will
Speaker 2: go do?
Speaker 5: Sure?
Speaker 2: Whatever, Yeah, I'll go. But I mean, you know, in
Speaker 2: the pantheon of things going on in Vegas, like it's
Speaker 2: just another team to have whatever. It's cool, it's fun
Speaker 2: that the area they play in, school, the facility they've built,
Speaker 2: the school or whatever. But the only reason we're discussing
Speaker 2: this is Caylen Clark. She's the most valuable player anyway
Speaker 2: you want to calculate valuable value. Is she the best? No,
Speaker 2: it's okay, And I'm okay, I mean I think and
Speaker 2: by the way, the best player doesn't always win it
Speaker 2: in the NBA. But how you calculate value is your
Speaker 2: own perception. There's no but I mean what she's doing
Speaker 2: to the for the fever is very similar. There's a
Speaker 2: Larry bird esque quality there. Right, People forget that what
Speaker 2: the Celtics win twenty nine games the year before you
Speaker 2: got there then sixty his first year. Right, this was
Speaker 2: the worst team in the WNBA, and they're going to
Speaker 2: be in the playoffs and they're looks like they're probably
Speaker 2: above five hundred, which is unbelievable considering where they all started,
Speaker 2: herself included.
Speaker 3: So I feel it's taking a turn though now right,
Speaker 3: like we're past all this stuff from two months ago.
Speaker 2: Yes, but it's just it feels like it's a little
Speaker 2: too late. My hate. Football's here, nobody cares anymore?
Speaker 3: Maybe yeah, football is here, but I still think people care.
Speaker 2: I think people do care. I'll be interested after Thursday night.
Speaker 2: After Thursday night, I don't think anybody cares about anything
Speaker 2: else on earth, especially with the Friday game. It's just
Speaker 2: football all the way through. I don't know. We'll keep
Speaker 2: this discussion going. Coming up next, Okay, something we do
Speaker 2: on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Mondays. We thought we'd
Speaker 2: do on The Dan Patrick Show on Monday, which is
Speaker 2: love and Hate. What do we love from the weekend?
Speaker 2: What do we hate from the weekend? You can share
Speaker 2: us share with us your thoughts at Godleb Show, Twitter,
Speaker 2: at Gotlieb Show Instagram as well. The good, the bad,
Speaker 2: the ugly, The love the Hate of the weekend. Next
Speaker 2: on The Dan Patrick Show here on Fox Sports Radio.