WEBVTT - Success isn't worth it 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:16.040 Success? What does that word even mean? I have a 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:18.960 question for you that I've been trying to answer for myself. 0:00:19.840 --> 0:00:24.040 Putting aside success in a career, hobbies, or personal accomplishments, 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:28.680 in your opinion, how could you judge success for yourself 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:32.560 as a husband or a father, or a son or 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:37.640 a daughter, a mother? What does that even mean? That's 0:00:37.640 --> 0:00:41.559 a question on an email I got today, and I'm 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:43.800 going to dive into it because it's an interesting concept. 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:49.440 Success is something that is That term is so widely used, 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:54.360 and yet it's still so mysterious because so many people 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:57.520 define that word in so many different ways, Like your 0:00:57.560 --> 0:01:02.480 boss or your teacher might look at success for you differently, 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:07.840 or your parent or your grandparent or your kid might 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:13.520 look at that differently for you or themselves. And success 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:18.560 is defined so many different ways for that individual. So 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:22.160 how do you call yourself successful? And people struggle with that. 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:25.920 We all struggle at some level with defining our own success, 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:30.240 Like is it because of accomplishments in your career? Is 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:33.360 it because you have so many kids? Or is it 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:36.039 because you're married for so many years? Or is it 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:40.479 because you stayed single? What does success mean? And when 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:43.720 you start diving into that subject and you start stripping 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:47.440 away everything. It's actually amazing how much we all have 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:52.280 in common for the core idea of success, and I 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:53.960 love talking about it and I could talk about it 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:57.800 on every podcast if I wanted to, because it's something 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:02.920 that's worth discussing. What is your success and how do 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:05.800 you define that and how does that make you different 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:09.679 from anyone else or the same? I got my good 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:12.480 buddy Bernie. We're going to talk about this and many 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:15.280 other questions that we are asked. If you have anything 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:17.359 for me at all, anything you want me to talk about, 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:22.760 could be music related or touring, or life or struggle 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:30.720 or happiness, anything. Email Grangersmith podcast at gmail dot com 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:34.560 and we'll dive into it one of these mondays. Welcome 0:02:34.560 --> 0:03:12.560 to this podcast. This is episode seventy one. Did du 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:22.480 Long line up and downed on the back? Crazy co 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:42.640 yeahation my podcast business associate partner Sidekick Today. It comes 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:47.320 from the corporate world of old Maybe yeah, let's go 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:50.800 with Sidekick. I'll be sidekick. When we first met, I 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:53.760 forgot to say this, Like meeting granger for the first 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:56.240 time is kind of like I feel like it's when 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:59.560 Robin met Batman automatically, he knows, like, Okay, I'm going 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:03.240 to be the kicking in this role. It's like, well, 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:05.040 I was gonna be the funny one and you'd be 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:06.960 the good looking one. But then you're pretty funny too, 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:09.400 so it's like, well, I'll just be the sidekick. I'll 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:12.760 be the rob. Stop to your back man. Stop it. 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:14.680 It's true, y'all know it's true. That's why you're here. 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:18.200 You missed the actual joke of the whole thing. You 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:22.520 come from the corporate world of Old Navy. Yeah, when 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:25.760 I met when I met Bernie a long time ago, 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:28.840 he was working at Old Navy, and a couple of 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:30.840 times I would come and see you and you had 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:34.000 the headset on. Remember that, Like all the Old Navy 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:36.280 people have to wear headsets. Yeah, well they don't need more. 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:38.240 They got these light they could just wear, like these 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:40.839 walkie talkies or something. But yeah, we had to wear 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:43.440 the headset and they got so mad. Put your headset on? 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:49.000 What was the purpose of it? I always know it's 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:55.040 not that big of a stores. Yeah, I don't know it. Yeah, 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:57.080 I have no idea. We should write them an ask, 0:04:57.320 --> 0:04:59.960 I guess so they the Old Navy employees are in 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:05.160 constant communication with each other, Okay, and I guarantee you 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:08.960 ninety percent of that is not work related. Oh really, 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:12.520 it's about customers that are in the store, like, man, 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:15.400 stay away from that lady, she's crazy. Yeah, or you 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:19.919 know whatever. Okay. Comment if anyone has ever worked at 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:23.400 Old Navy, I'm curious why they use headsets. That's an 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:26.200 interesting business model that they or why they've gone. I 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:28.080 think they've gone away from them though, so if you 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:30.880 have any intel into why Old maybe lost the headsets 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:36.680 as a former, you know, like Old Lomba. How many 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:39.000 years did you work at Old Navy? We'll see it's 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:41.560 a good job. Yeah, yeah, it was great. I met 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:44.640 a lot of great people there paid the bills while 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:48.279 I was just drifting trying to figure out life. Guys, 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:51.240 you know what you're doing right. I was probably there 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:55.839 for two and a half years. Yeah. Do you still 0:05:55.960 --> 0:06:00.400 fold close and think about it? Yeah? Absolutely, dude. Lesly 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:03.280 can attest to this. Like Sunday nights, she takes the 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:06.720 the routine with the kids, like I give baths and 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:09.880 and and do the bedtime routine. Uh, every night except 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:12.839 Sunday night, because that's when we do laundry. And so 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:15.080 I walk into our dent and there's just like a 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:19.040 mound of clothes and I'm like, let's do this, about 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:21.560 to bust out my old Navy chops, And so I'll 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:24.200 just sit there and full close and the and the 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:26.279 thing is is nobody appreciates it. But it's not even 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:28.359 like the kids will take their stack and just like 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:33.080 throw it into that. But it does. It does remind 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:36.280 me of those days. And you know, just like if 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:39.080 you're gonna fold some clothes, just do it. Well, you know, 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:43.440 the kids are the harder it is to fold. It's like, yeah, 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:46.000 the shirt is so little, it doesn't fold in any direction. 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:50.159 That's true. Some things are really tough to fold. Common 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:53.479 below old Navy alumni. I'm interested to know. Let me 0:06:53.480 --> 0:07:00.160 please don't like unsubscribe from this podcast because I know 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:03.960 a championing all of you old Navy people out there. 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:07.320 Why would anyone think badly of Old Navy for any reason? 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:11.240 I don't know. That's like the ones that works there 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:13.800 were like, okay, yeah, I'm with you. Everyone has bought 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:16.440 something in Old Navy. No matter what your style is, 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:20.360 or your background or your what, everyone has bought something 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:24.400 from there. Yep, it's got something for everybody. That's right. 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:29.239 It's a good brand. It's a good American brand. People 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:31.000 outside of the country are like, I've never been there, 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:38.800 Old Navy. That sounds stupid, not as American as an 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:51.560 American eagle. We've digressed. First question comes from Taylor, and 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:54.640 it says, if you get this email, I want to 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:56.560 thank you for reading it. If you decide to answer it, 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:59.560 I really look forward to hearing your opinions and your advice. 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:02.120 My name is Taylor. I'll be twenty two years old 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:06.320 on November twelfth. That already happened, so you are now 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:10.800 twenty two Taylor. I'm from Baton Rouge, Louisiana. I'm a 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:14.520 technician at a dealership, and your podcast give me such 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:18.200 inspiration to keep working as hard as I can. I 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:22.680 have to ask a couple things. First and foremost, I've 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:25.600 been playing music since I was in fifth grade. I've 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:27.800 always been in love with music. It's such a great 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:30.880 escape from the world, and it's such a great way 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:33.640 to connect with people all over the world. I've been 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:35.520 wanting to start a band for a long time, and 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:38.719 I'm curious what you would recommend to get started I'm 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:41.440 a drummer, I play guitar, and I would love to 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:44.640 get something going. My second question is simple, do you 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:49.559 like coming to Baton Rouge? If so, what's your favorite part? Ye? 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:53.120 Thank you, Taylor. I'll start with the last question. Man, 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:57.760 what's my favorite part of Baton Rouge The food? I 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:04.600 love Cajun food. So yeah. I love traveling so much 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:08.080 because of the food in so many different places, you know, 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:12.840 Like I love to get whatever that that local cuisine 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:17.959 is in that region or country or state or city. 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:21.520 Everybody's known for something and everyone has even if it's 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:24.440 just like a local place that has an amazing burgers. 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:27.600 I love to do that kind of stuff. So yeah, 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:30.440 bet Ruter's Cajun food. Love it. Shout out to Louisiana, 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:35.080 and thank you for the question, Taylor. Bernie and I 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:38.439 on the last podcast kind of had a similar question, 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:40.920 but it was backwards. It was a drummer trying to 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:43.360 be part of a band, and you are a singer 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:47.200 trying to get a band, And it's a little bit 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:49.600 different of an answer than a musician trying to find 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:55.000 a singer. It's a little bit a little bit different. I, 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:57.320 as I said mentioned on the last podcast. I started 0:09:57.320 --> 0:09:59.280 my first band by putting an ad out in the 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:03.319 school paper that's a country singer looking for country band, 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:06.120 serious gigs in line, and I lied about the gigs. 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:08.400 I didn't have any gigs in line, but I did 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:13.280 get one reply, just one in the entire Texas A 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:18.280 and M system. One piano player that became a longtime 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:23.800 friend and actually moved to Nashville with me at some point, 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:25.080 and get you gave it a shot for like five 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:30.480 months and introduced me to other musicians. So it actually worked. 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:34.400 Then add in the paper worked. Uh so today's age, 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:36.880 you wouldn't do that. You would instead probably post on 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:42.240 Facebook and just say I'm looking for musicians and man 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:48.079 aim low at first. Aim low because your first band doesn't. 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:51.720 They don't have to be complete rock stars in any way. 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:53.600 They don't have to look like rock stars. They don't 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:55.400 have to play like rock stars. They just need to 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:58.040 be good people you want to hang around. If they're 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:00.440 good people, you want to hang around them. You're gonna 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:02.240 want to practice more. If you want to practice more, 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:04.920 you're going to get better. You don't want to look 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:06.400 at it and go I don't want to get around 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:10.360 those guys. Tonight. So put it out there, put it 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:12.520 out in the world, put it out on social media. 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:15.400 Say you're looking for a band, and it usually just 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:18.160 needs to start with one person. One person comes in 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:21.240 and goes I play bass, You go cool, come over, 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:26.400 come to the garage, and inevitably that bass player will 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:30.160 know a cousin or somebody that plays something else. You know, 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:34.240 my cousin plays keyboard or drums or whatever. Invite them over. 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:40.400 Aim low, start that network from the center and work outward. Right, Yeah, 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:42.800 I think he nailed it. I'll just say one thing 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:48.360 that Griz actually told me I hadn't done. I hadn't 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:52.600 had a songwriting appointment in like forever, and a buddy 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:54.400 of mine said, hey, let's you know, let's get together 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:58.480 write some songs. I was like, okay, So I called Grizz. 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:00.720 I was like, dude, I haven't done this a long time. 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:02.640 What do I expect? You know, like, what what do 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:06.280 I need to do? And I remember you said when 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:09.760 you can keep the level of your gratitude above the 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:14.120 level of your expectation, magic will happen. And I remember 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:19.240 leaving that appointment just feeling like man, we wrote probably 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:21.720 one of the worst songs ever written. But I had 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:24.240 a blast and like he did too, and it was 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:26.360 just like, yeah, let's do it again. And there's just 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:29.679 something about the experience of it that I think can help, 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:33.199 you know, kind of propel to another appointment and like, oh, 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:35.480 I'm gonna write with that person now. And so yeah, 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:39.000 I think that advice was really sound like he's saying 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:41.280 the same, you know kind of thing. You know, shoot low, 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:44.640 but keep your gratitude high, expectation low, and you'll you'll 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:47.000 really enjoy it and see what happens. Just put put 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:50.000 yourself out there. There's what's crazy is there's a bunch 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:52.560 of musicians out there right now looking for you, and 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:55.080 they don't know that they're looking for you, and you 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:57.680 don't know you're looking for them. But one day it'll 0:12:57.679 --> 0:12:59.280 happen and you'll be at a garage one day and 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:02.079 the music will sound terrible, but it will be so fun. 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:06.679 That's how it starts, man, And we've everybody that's been 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:11.120 a musician at some point remembers those first days of 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:15.800 making music with another human in the room. So I 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:18.800 got a follow up question for you. His question, So 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:22.400 he has now opened himself up, like, Hey, you played 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:24.760 bass and you played drums, and yeah, they get together right, 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:28.600 and this drummer is awesome. It's like he's God, he's there. 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:33.920 The piano players okay, he's okay. The bass player is 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:37.880 just like, oh man, I don't know if he has 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:41.240 played this instrument before or just like borrowed. It happens. 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:46.000 How do you go through the process of like communicating 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:50.160 like I want to find another bass player or do 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:52.560 you do? You have to set that expectation from the beginning. 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:55.240 How do you navigate like getting the right people together 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:59.520 skill and you know, kind of chemistry And I hope 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:01.760 nobody listening that used to play with me back in 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:06.360 the day. But but yeah, that that happens, man, and 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:11.800 it's gonna happen, you know one day to Taylor you 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:14.880 you're gonna have that bass player or whoever that's terrible. 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:19.920 It always happened to me, and I don't ever I 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:21.920 know a couple of times it was a little awkward, 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:24.480 but I don't ever remember it being a situation where 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:28.320 that person didn't know it was coming already. Like if that, 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:30.160 if that, if like you're saying, the drummers great and 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:33.000 the bass player is terrible, He's just gonna know, man, 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:37.720 I can't keep up. And what's cool is a lot 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:41.080 of times you could still if he's a good guy, 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:44.640 the bass player, you could just say, man, I found 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:48.720 this guy and he's he's he has a lot of 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:51.400 experience at base and I want to bring him on 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:55.280 to show you some things and to jam with us. 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:58.800 But I also I don't want you to quit on me. 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:02.360 So we also needs somebody to sell T shirts or 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:05.160 to be the tour manager or you know, you could 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:07.840 keep them on the team. So they still feel like 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:10.840 they're like just getting replaced and fired, right, but they're 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:14.600 gonna know, Yeah, I can't. A musician knows when he's 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:17.440 not in a circle he can keep up with. Yeah. 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:21.680 So it's not it's not ever easy, but that's it's inevitable. 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:27.440 All right. Here we go, new question. It says, Hey Granger, 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:32.000 this is Kyle from Washington. Shout out to Washington State. Says, 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:33.920 my wife and I had an opportunity to meet you 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:37.160 at a show in Idaho back in December before the 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:39.720 pandemic started. And when we met, you asked me what 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:41.160 I did for a living, and I said I'm a 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:43.960 youth pastor, which is still true Today, I wanted to 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:46.080 say how thankful I am for you and the example 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:48.880 you are setting living your life out in faith so 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:51.720 boldly without hesitation. I wanted to ask you a simple, 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:56.480 but genuinely curious question. Who is your favorite Bible character 0:15:56.880 --> 0:16:01.320 that you admire or relate to? And why? I love 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:03.320 asking people this question to hear a little bit about 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:04.960 their story and why they chose to relate to a 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:09.320 certain person in the Bible. Over another, thank you, Kyle, 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:16.760 Junior High pastor for True Life Youth. That's it, Bethany 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:23.120 Christian Academy. What's up Kyle? Thanks for writing in man. Yeah, 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:25.240 I'm glad that I'm glad we got to meet in Idaho, 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:29.480 and then that you still listen to me to today. 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:36.520 That's awesome. Question came back in October, so little late. 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:40.600 All these questions. You could ask anything you want. You 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:44.880 email Grangersmith Podcast at gmail dot com. I'm probably not 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:47.640 going to answer it on the next episode that from 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:50.640 when you emailed it like this question from Kyle for 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:52.320 a few months out, So I hope you guys can 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:55.680 have patience and keep listening knowing that maybe one day 0:16:55.720 --> 0:17:00.640 I'm going to answer it. So ask anything you want, Bernie, 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:04.600 I'll start with you. Who's your favorite Bible character? He 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:07.280 says that either you admire or you relate to the most. 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:16.400 And why. I guess every answer is a Sunday School answer, right, 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:18.879 Which is interesting because you don't have to be a 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:23.679 Christian to be able to answer this question because most people, 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:28.280 regardless of your background or religion or atheism or whatever. Yeah, 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:31.560 no character is the Bible and there's somebody that you 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:37.560 could relate to. Yeah, yeah, there's a couple that kind 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:40.760 of jump out to me. I'll go with my can 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:44.399 I have a top two? Yeah? Okay, of course, of course. 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:47.879 The first one I think is probably the father of 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:52.919 the prodigal son. Wow, okay, I think that there's something 0:17:52.960 --> 0:18:00.240 about like trying to like communicate to our kids what 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:03.639 that love is like. So explain a little bit of 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:06.320 the prodigal son's story. Okay, it's a short one. So 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:10.960 you know, young man goes to his dad, Hey, I 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:13.160 want my inheritance. I don't need you anymore. I'm gonna 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:17.720 go live my life. Takes his dad first. His dad says, okay, son, 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:21.239 here you go. Which that's a tough one for me 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:23.040 to swallow. I'd be like, I'm not giving that to 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:26.399 you. You You justually gonna like you're gonna go, you know, 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:28.640 give it all the way or party it away whatever. 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:30.520 So that's what the kid does. He goes and he 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:33.159 you know, you know, spends all of his money on 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:38.400 parties and you know, drinking whatever, ends up working with 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:41.840 animals and eating pig slop, and he has this moment 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:44.720 where he's like, what am I doing? You know, my 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:47.280 father is rich, and maybe he'll give me a job 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:51.399 to just work whatever. So he runs back and the 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:56.840 father had spent day after day just like looking out 0:18:57.000 --> 0:18:59.400 down the road, just praying and hoping that his son 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:02.960 would come home. And you know, the Bible says when 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:04.960 he was still a long way off, his dad jumped 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:10.440 up and ran towards him. Yeah. I think that there's 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:15.919 something just pretty special about that relationship and what it 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:19.080 says kind of about what we can feel for our kids, 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:23.199 but also like how I can how I imagine God 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:25.120 feels about us, and he's trying to tell us like, hey, 0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:28.880 it's okay, you want to go just do your own thing, okay, 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:32.000 And eventually we're going to come back and be like, Dad, 0:19:32.040 --> 0:19:33.919 I'm so sorry. Can I just like work for you, 0:19:34.040 --> 0:19:36.240 He's like work for me. No, we're gonna throw a 0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:39.720 party because you're here. You weren't here. Yeah. So I 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:43.000 think that that would be first one that came to mind, 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:46.639 and then the second would be Job only, because I 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:50.399 think to live is to suffer in some way and 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:54.000 to struggle. And I think that Job, you know, like 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:56.520 in all of that, he did not sin against God. 0:19:56.640 --> 0:20:00.399 He he did not curse him, he did not he 0:20:00.720 --> 0:20:04.959 stayed faithful, which I just cannot even imagine. And so 0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:08.280 I think that testimony to me is like the things 0:20:08.320 --> 0:20:10.600 that we go through in the struggles that we have, 0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:16.399 is like this, this comforting hope of this you know, 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:20.600 biblical character that saw far more than I think, you know, 0:20:20.680 --> 0:20:24.160 we can imagine. I could definitely relate to Job too. 0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:29.360 And it's the oldest book that I learned this from 0:20:29.359 --> 0:20:33.399 Billy Graham, But the Book of Job is the story 0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:38.359 of Job is the oldest written story in human history. Wow, 0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:41.400 it's the oldest piece of literature that we could trace 0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:45.719 back to a human writing, which is interesting because it's 0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:51.760 all about suffering and what's wild to me, it's a 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:53.840 little bit of a tangent from Kyle's question. But what's 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:57.439 wild about that story is that you know that the 0:20:57.480 --> 0:21:01.359 Bible says God is is today and it always was. 0:21:01.400 --> 0:21:03.200 He's the same as he always was and he always 0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:09.480 will be. And that story Satan is with God. He says, 0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:13.080 you got this guy Job, he's pretty good. Huh you 0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:15.200 think he's good? And God's like, hey, he's one of 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:17.760 the best. He goes, I bet you if I start 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:20.080 messing with him a little bit, he won't be as 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:24.040 good as you think. Can I do it? God says, yeah, 0:21:24.320 --> 0:21:27.320 you could mess with him? So do you realize what 0:21:27.359 --> 0:21:31.040 I just said? This is a wild story that God 0:21:31.040 --> 0:21:36.280 and Satan are talking. Satan doesn't mess with Job until 0:21:36.320 --> 0:21:40.600 he gets permission. So it's interesting to think that's the 0:21:40.600 --> 0:21:45.360 oldest story written history. It's interesting to think that that could. 0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:50.400 I say could, but it probably does still happen today. Yeah, 0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:53.399 Satan doesn't get to do anything without permission, right, he 0:21:53.440 --> 0:21:55.560 didn't have the authority. And some people have a big 0:21:55.720 --> 0:21:59.520 problem with that. Yeah, they're like, no, Satan acts on 0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:03.400 his own power. He's a complete rebellion. He's his own 0:22:03.920 --> 0:22:07.880 It's like, no, God's it still in control of everything. No, 0:22:07.920 --> 0:22:10.120 I don't believe in that. Kind of God that lets 0:22:10.160 --> 0:22:12.800 him do that would give him permission to do something terrible. 0:22:14.119 --> 0:22:16.840 It's just what it says. Yeah, a lot of times 0:22:16.960 --> 0:22:20.280 with this stuff. It's not what I feel in my heart. 0:22:20.440 --> 0:22:25.679 That's what it says, right, yep. Way off on a tangent. 0:22:26.680 --> 0:22:30.720 But this question is hard for me, Kyle, because it's 0:22:30.760 --> 0:22:36.639 hard for me to compare myself or relate to anyone 0:22:37.640 --> 0:22:42.119 in the Bible without sounding arrogant in some way like 0:22:42.160 --> 0:22:47.360 oh you're sure, yeah, you're gonna be like him. Please, 0:22:47.600 --> 0:22:50.080 with that being said, don't take it the wrong way 0:22:50.119 --> 0:22:52.000 when I say I could relate a lot of times 0:22:52.000 --> 0:22:57.400 to Peter. It's like I think most of the Bible characters, though, 0:22:57.440 --> 0:23:02.040 they were like you know, and messed up a lot. Yeah, yeah, 0:23:02.160 --> 0:23:04.240 And I just I'm thinking. I'm thinking of like the 0:23:04.280 --> 0:23:07.760 first Pope, Peter, the first Pope of the Church the Rock, 0:23:07.840 --> 0:23:10.760 you know, not that Peter. I'm talking about the fisherman 0:23:11.560 --> 0:23:16.399 that was always a little bit on edge, you know, 0:23:16.520 --> 0:23:19.960 when when the Roman soldiers came to get Jesus, he 0:23:20.119 --> 0:23:22.280 just cuts the guy's ear off, you know, like, come on, man, 0:23:22.400 --> 0:23:24.359 like gets this. I can't imagine Peter, like in the 0:23:24.359 --> 0:23:26.600 garden getting the sword and be like, get out of here. Man. 0:23:26.680 --> 0:23:30.000 Whack just whacks the guy's ear off, and he's just 0:23:30.040 --> 0:23:35.120 like Peter, chill out, which he probably told he kind 0:23:35.119 --> 0:23:37.040 of has that tone with Peter a lot, like dude, 0:23:37.359 --> 0:23:39.960 chill would you chill out for a second, Like this 0:23:40.040 --> 0:23:42.640 is supposed to happen, Let me deal with this. In fact, 0:23:42.680 --> 0:23:46.040 he says, you know, Satan get behind me. He like, 0:23:46.040 --> 0:23:51.920 like Satan is is affecting Peter's ability to control himself sometimes. 0:23:53.119 --> 0:23:57.720 So yeah, I feel I feel that, and I feel 0:23:57.720 --> 0:24:00.440 that side of Peter, and I also feel the side 0:24:00.280 --> 0:24:06.000 where Jesus says, follow me, and Peter just drops everything, 0:24:06.920 --> 0:24:10.399 leaves everything, leaves the boat, leaves the fishing nets, leaves 0:24:10.480 --> 0:24:13.240 us everything, and just goes Yep, here we go. I'm in, 0:24:13.800 --> 0:24:17.800 I'm in, I'm all in. I'm dropping everything. I love that. 0:24:18.520 --> 0:24:21.399 I can't say that I've done it to that extent 0:24:21.440 --> 0:24:24.600 in my life, but I want to. I want to 0:24:24.640 --> 0:24:27.280 do that, and I want to be that. I want 0:24:27.280 --> 0:24:30.760 to be that more than I am. The the ability 0:24:30.800 --> 0:24:35.080 to not to not be perfect and not be so 0:24:35.240 --> 0:24:39.000 righteous and high and mighty, but at the same time, 0:24:39.359 --> 0:24:42.879 the total reverence, which in a lot of ways I 0:24:42.880 --> 0:24:45.640 could say that about about David as well, who I could. 0:24:45.720 --> 0:24:47.960 I could definitely relate to David because of you know, 0:24:48.200 --> 0:24:53.240 musician makes a lot of mistakes but always gives God 0:24:53.359 --> 0:24:59.960 the glory and he fears God. So an interesting question. 0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:02.200 And I haven't gotten a question like this on the podcast, 0:25:02.240 --> 0:25:06.440 probably won't anymore, but I think we kind of think 0:25:06.480 --> 0:25:09.119 we kind of hit on it. So yeah, Kyle, one 0:25:09.160 --> 0:25:11.040 day I'll meet you and hear your answer to all 0:25:11.080 --> 0:25:13.720 this stuff. And that was kind of the light coding. 0:25:13.800 --> 0:25:17.240