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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from House Stuff Works

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Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark.

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Speaker 1: There's Charles w Chuck Bryant, there's Jerry over there. We

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Speaker 1: are swimmingly excited about this one because it is about

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Speaker 1: sea monkeys. Jerry is mama see monkey. Yes, she's got

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Speaker 1: a little blonde bob hair do going on. And I

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Speaker 1: guess we're baby sea monkeys. I guess. Yeah, that's that's cool. Well,

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Speaker 1: let's some we'll we'll let the dad no exist. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we're brothers, that's right. I think that's a good move

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Speaker 1: with a non existent father, which really explains a lot

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Speaker 1: about us. Nonexistent sea monkey father no less so chuck Um,

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Speaker 1: I realized that I don't know something about you, which

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Speaker 1: is weird because we've been doing this for almost ten years.

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Speaker 1: And or sea monkey brothers. We we are. We know

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Speaker 1: a lot about one another. We know one another smells um, looks, scowls,

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Speaker 1: all sorts of stuff, right, triumphs, victories. One thing I

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Speaker 1: don't know about you is whether you were into comic

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Speaker 1: books as a kid. Well, glad you asked. I feel

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Speaker 1: like we've talked about this at some point but maybe not.

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Speaker 1: I yeah, we have for sure, um, because remember I

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Speaker 1: read Archie and Richie Rich. Oh yes, yeah, yeah yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I wasn't so well. Here's a couple of things

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Speaker 1: I read Archie and Richie Rich growing up, and UM

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Speaker 1: didn't get into the superhero comics much because I don't

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Speaker 1: know why. But then also you don't know this part.

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Speaker 1: We used to go to visit my grandmother on my

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Speaker 1: father's side. She was big time into thor Granny Thor. Uh.

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Speaker 1: She lived in Jackson, Tennessee, and it was I had

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Speaker 1: sort of the modern grandparents with cable TV who lived

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Speaker 1: in a and then old school granny who lived in

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Speaker 1: a house in the country. And so granny Granny Bryant

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Speaker 1: didn't have TV or anything like that. But what she

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Speaker 1: did have in the back room was a bunch of

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Speaker 1: my dad and uncle um Ed's old toys and comic

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Speaker 1: books from when they were kids. So I think the

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Speaker 1: mainly Uncle Eddie, so I got. I had a big

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Speaker 1: stack of comics from my guests the nineteen sixties, uh

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Speaker 1: that were like Man from Uncle Um. I'm trying to read.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of a few more. No superhero stuff,

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Speaker 1: but just those weird sort of. I guess it wasn't weird,

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Speaker 1: but man from Uncle is only when I can remember,

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Speaker 1: but it's a little weird. Long story short is because

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Speaker 1: that's all the entertainment we had to ingest. We would

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Speaker 1: my brother and I would go back there and read

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Speaker 1: those every year for years. That's pretty awesome. So you

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Speaker 1: made your way through that stack of multiple times, oh

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Speaker 1: many many times, Like I remember the ads, I remember,

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Speaker 1: I remember everything about him. So then you remember, obviously,

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Speaker 1: I think you probably knew where I was going with

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Speaker 1: us from the outset. You remember the ads for the

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Speaker 1: sea monkeys. Then I remember sea monkeys, remember X ray specs,

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Speaker 1: which we'll get into. And I remember for sure all

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Speaker 1: the ads for like can you draw this parrot? Or pirate?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah? Remember for the art school? Yeah? What was that?

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Speaker 1: I think they just took your money and then sent

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Speaker 1: you a degree for your art school. Is that what

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Speaker 1: it was? I'm pretty sure. So disappointing. Yeah, but the

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Speaker 1: turtle was pretty cool. He had like a Newsy camp

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Speaker 1: on and a turtleneck and he just looked like he

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Speaker 1: was ready to get mellow, you know. Oh you know

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Speaker 1: the other one too, was the Charles Atlas workout thing.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember that? Yeah, where the pound weekly gets

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Speaker 1: stand kicked in his face. Totally. Yeah, that's really playing

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Speaker 1: on some fifteen year old insecurities and it worked. And

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Speaker 1: what about you? I remember Sea Monkeys. There's one that

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Speaker 1: always stuck out to me was a Bonker's ad from

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Speaker 1: the eighties. This would have been way past your man

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Speaker 1: from Uncle era comic books. But um, I think I've

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Speaker 1: asked you before the if you had ever had bonkers

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Speaker 1: there like these fruit shooes they were like just the

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Speaker 1: there with like this like kind of crotchety old lady

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Speaker 1: Bonker's comic book ad in there too, and a lot

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Speaker 1: nothing pertinent to this episode except for that Sea Monkeys

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Speaker 1: And yeah, but you and I were also into Mad

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Speaker 1: It was they had like those fake ads, of course,

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Speaker 1: if you'll remember correctly, and I think for many decades

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Speaker 1: really up for debate. So they're they were kind of lanky,

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Speaker 1: like stringy ropey arms and legs, paunchy tummies, naked is

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Speaker 1: the day they were born, webbed feet, webb tails, Like

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Speaker 1: the end of their tail was like webbed, which if

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Speaker 1: you look closely, I think was probably just a device

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Speaker 1: And this this just like this classic illustration of the

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Speaker 1: Joe Orlando Magazine Yeah, he's from Mad Magazine. Creepy Magazine

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Speaker 1: extremely well known outside of the comic world for having

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Speaker 1: drawn that sea monkey family. Yeah, I mean I'm looking

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Speaker 1: And what's great too, is that we'll talk about later.

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Speaker 1: Somebody some people went in and fiddled around with it.

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Speaker 1: And if you look now, if you go to buy

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Speaker 1: You also didn't mention the castle, which is kind of

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Speaker 1: they were. Yeah, they were a royal sea monkey family,

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Speaker 1: if you look closely at some of those ads, they say, um,

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Speaker 1: caricatures of sea monkeys. Is not actually what your sea

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Speaker 1: And it turns out that sea monkeys and just prepare

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Speaker 1: in the wind, chuck. Sea monkeys don't actually exist. There's

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Speaker 1: no such thing. Yeah, did you know that already? Well,

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Speaker 1: But they are real little living creatures that you buy,

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Speaker 1: own things. So what they are ultimately is something called

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Speaker 1: artemia or Brian shrimp. But the guy who ended up

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Speaker 1: they're a hybrid version of Brian shrimp. The guy who

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Speaker 1: invented sea monkeys actually tinkered along with a micro crustaceans

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Speaker 1: So they made them right, and there's no no clapping

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Speaker 1: and squealing with original Brian shrimp, right. So through these

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Speaker 1: They're a pet food, um and all. They're just like

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Speaker 1: tiny little micro crustaceans and they enter into what's called cryptobiosis,

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Speaker 1: and they're basically if you'll remember our Tartar grade episode,

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Speaker 1: They enter into the state of suspended animation UM. A

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Speaker 1: this Van Broughten character. Van Broughten braun Hutt. Braun Hut.

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Speaker 1: it turns out that Harold von braun Hutt is or

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Speaker 1: was a marketing genius. UM he wrote the original thirty

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Speaker 1: It wasn't just like Edwater in your on set, I

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Speaker 1: told the whole story of sea monkeys. Yeah. It said

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Speaker 1: things like, you can your sea monkeys can be hypnotized.

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Speaker 1: You can train them to play baseball, Um, you can

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Speaker 1: was perhaps almost certifiably a white nationalist aryan Nazi. Sure

425
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 1: is that fair to say? I think so? All right,

426
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 1: and we'll get to that right after this. If you

427
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:49,479
Speaker 1: want to know, then you're in luck. Just listen up

428
00:24:49,880 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 1: to Chuck self. You shoot stuff, you shoo, okay, Chuck,

429
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 1: I'm sure everybody just bit the tips of their fingers

430
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: off waiting for those ads to finish so we could

431
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,199
Speaker 1: get back to it. Is it fair to call him

432
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 1: a Nazi? So here's the thing. It has been so

433
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 1: thoroughly documented by legitimate sources like the Washington Post, the

434
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Times, his own Mouth, the Yes, his own Mouth,

435
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: the Jewish Anti Defamation League, I believe. I don't know

436
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: if the Southern Poverty Law Center actually tracked him or not,

437
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 1: but this guy has definitely been identified as somebody who

438
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: is has was a longtime contributor to white nationalist groups,

439
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: specifically the Arian Nations out of Idaho, which was one

440
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 1: of the original white hate groups in the United States.

441
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 1: Here's the problem with that. This is the guy who

442
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: invented sea monkeys. The problem number two is that if

443
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: you ever sent your money off to buy some sea monkeys,

444
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 1: some of that money had a very good chance of

445
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,919
Speaker 1: having been turned around and given to the Aryan nation.

446
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,679
Speaker 1: And here in lies a real moral conundrum for a

447
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 1: lot of people, understandably. So yeah, so well, I didn't

448
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 1: see did he just give money? Period? Yes, But the

449
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: people are saying I gave you some of that money

450
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: for sea monkeys. Who knows what dimes and nickels that

451
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 1: I gave you went to Arian Nation. I don't want

452
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: any money going to Ariyan Nation. So I feel horrible

453
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 1: that my money went to you, which you turn in

454
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 1: turn gave to the Arian Nation. Right, However, this M

455
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 1: five was uh. There was a man named Richard Butler. Um.

456
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,919
Speaker 1: This guy was the real piece of human garbage. He

457
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: was a founder of the Arian Nation. Yeah, he was

458
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: the worst. He's not with us anymore, thank fully, but

459
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: he he was a very bad man. And he was

460
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: brought brought up on trial. And basically this h M

461
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 1: five little uh telescoping whip that was invented by von

462
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: braun Hut that was specifically UH used that that that

463
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 1: product and proceeds from that specifically went to a fund

464
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: to help out Richard Butler. So we know that. Yeah,

465
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: everything's going along for Harold von braun Hutt um pretty

466
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: swimmingly until the late eighties. Right in the late eighties,

467
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: Richard Butler is brought up along with I think fourteen

468
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: or fifteen other white nationalist leaders on sedition charges basically

469
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 1: trying to overthrow the government through plotting assassinations, UM, trying

470
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,199
Speaker 1: to start a race war. They were they had some

471
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: serious charges against them. They were eventually acquitted of these charges.

472
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,400
Speaker 1: But but as part of this defense fund. In Aryan

473
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: Nation newsletter, UM, Richard Butler talks about the Kyoga Agent

474
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: M five as a great you know, um, a great

475
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: tool for every Arian nationalist to have a great weapon

476
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:18,719
Speaker 1: and defense mechanism. And if you order this thing on

477
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: the order form, write the letters a N for Ariyan Nation.

478
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,959
Speaker 1: And the inventor of this project product has pledged that

479
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,199
Speaker 1: twenty five of those sixty dollars will be given to

480
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 1: my defense fund. So now, all of a sudden, for

481
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: the first time ever, the guy who invented sea monkeys

482
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: is tied to the guy who founded the Aryan Nation

483
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: UM hate group. Yeah, and this was just like the

484
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: beginning of the can of worms, uh, which he did

485
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,479
Speaker 1: not invent the can of worms, but he should have.

486
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: It was the beginning of that being open because uh,

487
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: like you said, late late eighties, what was the eight

488
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: eight I think in the Washington Post basically got ahold

489
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: of this story, did some investigating and found owned that

490
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: he was involved in quote some of the most extreme

491
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: racist and anti Semitic organizations in the country. Um. But

492
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: here's the deal, Like there are quotes from his mouth

493
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: that say things about uh inscrutable, slanty Korean eyes when

494
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: dealing with Korean shop owners and talking about uh Jews

495
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: and black people, like literal quotes. Yet when he's finally contacted,

496
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: this is great article that we kind of started with.

497
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: Um was when he was still alive. He would deny

498
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: that this was that this was him, and but not

499
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: try and clear it up or anything. Basically just say

500
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: that's a bunch of bunk um. There was where there

501
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: were news letters written for an organization called the National

502
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: Anti Zionist Institute, written by one Hendrick von Braun. But

503
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: the return address was the same po box that you

504
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: sent off to get sea monkeys. Yeah, sea monkey like

505
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: paraphernalia still today, same address. So it's not very Yeah

506
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: it's in Maryland, which is where he lived. Uh So

507
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: he wasn't like covering his tracks very well at all.

508
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: So he so all that started that Washington Post expose

509
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: a specifically also came out of a property dispute. He

510
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: later claimed that all of these were lies and that

511
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: they were drummed up by somebody who's in a property

512
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: dispute with I think there was a developer who was

513
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: encroaching on his land and he was suing them, And

514
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: I think he said that the developer had brought all

515
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: this up. The thing is whether the developer exposed it

516
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: or not, or tipped the Washington Post off to this

517
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: or not. This is already like pretty well known in

518
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: the toy industry and pretty well documented. Like it wasn't

519
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: just that this um Harold von braun Hutt gave money

520
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: to the Aran Nation, Like he would go to their

521
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: annual rally in Idaho and light the cross himself. He

522
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: would um. He would beak at some of their their

523
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: um conferences and apparently not very well received. No, he would.

524
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: He would kind of go off on topics that the

525
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: Arians weren't particularly interested in, like numerology or the pyramids

526
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: or how it all tied together. But the thing is

527
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: he had a lot of money and he was apparently

528
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: quite willing to give it. Now, no one has, we

529
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: have to say, no one has ever documented a penny

530
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,959
Speaker 1: that was given to the Area Nation. The closest thing

531
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: to a smoking gun is that newsletter from Richard Butler

532
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: saying that the inventor of this has pledged twenty five

533
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: dollars per but the very fact that he was basically

534
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: allowed into the orbit of Richard Butler himself strongly suggests

535
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: that he actually followed through on those campaign pledges and

536
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: legal defense fund pledges and and apparently a former spokesman

537
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: for the Area Nation who is now a reformed racist,

538
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: he says, um poke out about Harold von braun Hunt

539
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: and said he didn't know exactly how much he gave,

540
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: but he gave a lot, and he gave pretty frequently

541
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: when he was asked. Right. So things get a little

542
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: weirder here because it turns out that von braun Hut

543
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: was actually Jewish. He was born to Jeanette Cohen and

544
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: Edward braun Hut, not von braun Hutt at that little

545
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: Vaughan to uh, I guess germanize him uh. And he

546
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: was born in New York City on March thirty, first,

547
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: ninety six as Harold Nathan braun Hutt. And if you

548
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: know anything about Arian Nations or any of those groups,

549
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: they don't take kindly to a Jewish guy, even if

550
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,719
Speaker 1: he's like rebukes that to being a member. But like

551
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: you said, he had a lot of dough And that's

552
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: basically why everyone thinks they allowed him to stay on

553
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: as a member. Yeah. So that eight Washington Post article

554
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: did a couple of things. One out of the inventor

555
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: of sea monkeys as an aryan white supremacist, or I

556
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: should say just a white supremacist. He was an Arian.

557
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: It also outed him as a non Arian, as a

558
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: Jewish person born Jewish to Jewish parents, about as Jewish

559
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: as you can possibly get aside from being um a

560
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: practicing jew. Right. So he he was outed in this

561
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: in this Washington Post article like two times over. So

562
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: everybody was mad at him from either side. Right. The

563
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: thing is like, even after I guess, the Area Nation

564
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: released as a press release about this saying that they

565
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: were disappointed to find out this guy that they were

566
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,959
Speaker 1: friends with was actually Jewish, but he was not kicked

567
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: out of their circle. He stayed apparently as as intracted

568
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: as he was before and still was always a part

569
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: of the organization's conferences and stuff like that. Yeah, and

570
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: he was. It wasn't just the Arian Nations he uh

571
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: In the Washington Post, says the U S Attorney Thomas Bauer.

572
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: U there was a weapons case in five against a

573
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: member of the clan Um Grand Dragon Dale Rouch. Yeah,

574
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: it was in nineteen eighty. I think that the transaction happened, okay,

575
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: but the weapons case was in five and Van braun

576
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: Hut basically loan the guy twelve thousand dollars so he

577
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: could buy more than eighty firearms. Yeah, like, here, go

578
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: buy a bunch of guns. Well the okay, yes, and

579
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: this is a grand wizard of the clan, I believe, right, yes,

580
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: So the reason I pointed out that it would happened

581
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,720
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty, the year before the Washington Post had

582
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: had um drummed up in that nine eight article. The

583
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: year before he had paid like thirteen hundred dollars for

584
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: his parents graves in a Jewish cemetery to be kept

585
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: up in perpetuity. So this is like this, this is

586
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 1: this weird dual life. This guy is living like born

587
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: and raised jew respecting his Jewish parents funeral wishes and

588
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: burial wishes, and then months later helping a grand Wizard

589
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: of the KKK by eighty three firearms and then taking

590
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: possession of the firearms himself until the loan was paid back.

591
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: It's crazy. It is a little crazy. It's quite surprising

592
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: actually too. I Mean, that's like a big one to punch,

593
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, so he didn't actually, Um, he would

594
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: do licensing deals over the years, I saw he ran

595
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: his business probably smartly to do that, uh, if you

596
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,879
Speaker 1: ask me. But over the years have been many many

597
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: companies that held the license for sea monkeys that he

598
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: partnered with, and they all kind of had different reactions. Um.

599
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: There was one called Larmie Limited, one called Basic Fund,

600
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: one called Educational Insights. There may have been more. Today

601
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:55,280
Speaker 1: it resides with Big Time Toys. But um, this article

602
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: that we dug up from when he was still alive, basically,

603
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: this guy gets in touch with a lot of these people,

604
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 1: and some of them said they believe the story that, um,

605
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: it was just some story that this angry neighbor cooked

606
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: up to slander his name. Other ones have said, yeah,

607
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: you know what, Um, everyone kind of knew about it,

608
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: but we're not gonna we're not gonna take that out

609
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: on the sea monkeys, right. Um. And he was a

610
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: nice guy to us, and what he does in his

611
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: private time is no one's business. Yeah. The thing is is,

612
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: like some of the people that he was doing business

613
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: with were Jewish, and we're taking some of the things

614
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 1: he was doing in his private life personally themselves, like

615
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: the guy who was the president of Basic fund which

616
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: that's one of the worst names for a toy company. Basic.

617
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 1: It's like, don't get too excited, this is just Basic fun.

618
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: That was They had a spin off company called Minimal Enjoyment,

619
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: right he he Um got the license or his company

620
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: got the license for Sea Monkeys to handle distributing and

621
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: marketing sea monkeys, and um he he apparently asked von

622
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: braun Hut like, is this true? And von braun had

623
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,720
Speaker 1: told him no, there's this developerman a dispute with who's

624
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 1: like trying to drum up bad press. They're all lies. Well,

625
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,240
Speaker 1: within a year, The New York Times wrote an article

626
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 1: about that um annual rally at the Area Nation Compound

627
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: in Idaho and said that Harold von braun Hud had

628
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: been a speaker there. So the guy from Basic Funds like,

629
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: it's it. I'm done with your contracts broken. Yeah, I

630
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: mean that did happen sometimes over the years. Uh, and

631
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: other times you know, people I guess money talks, so

632
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: they were willing to put up with it. Yeah, yep,

633
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: it's crazy. He um. You know, like when he was

634
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: called personally, he said, I don't have to defend myself

635
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 1: to you or anyone else. I'm hanging up. So I

636
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: guess it was a time when, you know, pre Internet,

637
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: pre social media, where you could kind of get away

638
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: with stuff like this a little easier. Yeah, I mean,

639
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,240
Speaker 1: like he was, Yeah, it was just an open secret.

640
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: And I think, like you said, I think you hit

641
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 1: the nail on the head man, when there's like this

642
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: much money involved, and when you're talking about a brand

643
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 1: where it's just like a beloved American icon. Yeah, like

644
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: people just look the other way on the fact that

645
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: you're a white supremacist. You know, it's it's bizarre, but

646
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: that's apparently this is a story of how the world

647
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: works in that respect. Yeah, it was interesting for this.

648
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: One article, I think from the early two thousand's from

649
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: the all was that oh no, no, no, that was

650
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: from two thousand and eleven. The other one was, um

651
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, that was when he had currently the license.

652
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: He was Educational Insights, and they at the time, it

653
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: was funny to go back and read this that they

654
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: were trying to update the image for the sea monkeys. Yeah, yeah,

655
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,439
Speaker 1: and they had like these drawing They hired some big

656
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: advertising guy and marketing guy, and he came in and

657
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 1: was basically like, no, man like kids these days, they

658
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 1: don't want these skinny pot bellied uh King Queen, Prince

659
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: and princess family. They want superheroes. So he buffed them

660
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: up but capes on them and made a new jingle

661
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: and uh, they never went with any of that stuff.

662
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: It kind of all went in the wastebasket. I think. Well,

663
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: one new thing did come out of it, and um

664
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: von Or Harold Braun had a patent on it was

665
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: one of his last patents. It was a a watch

666
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: that you could inject a couple of live sea monkeys

667
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 1: into and they would live in there for twenty four

668
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: hours before I guess either they died or if you

669
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: could suck them back out and put them back in

670
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: their aquarium. But you could walk around with your two

671
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: favorite or luckiest sea monkeys for the day and tell

672
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: time as well. So that was there was at least

673
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: one thing that came out of that updating. But if

674
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: you go back and look, if you look at those,

675
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 1: you're like, this is pretty lame. And you go back

676
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: and look today at the sea monkey packaging, it's it

677
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: is basically back to how it was like in that

678
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 1: Joe Orlando style. But if you do want to watch

679
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: some business people do some tap dancing, it's really interesting.

680
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: Read this article. It's called the Sea Monkeys and the

681
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: White Supremacist. It was in the l A Times on

682
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: October one, two thousand, written by Tamarrow Brod, who did

683
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,479
Speaker 1: a pretty good job of like just some good old

684
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: fashioned like um like like footwork or leg work, going

685
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: to to to pound the beat, pound the beat with

686
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: the with the footwork, sniff them off the case, you

687
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. All Right, Well, let's take another

688
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: break and we're gonna come back and we're talking about

689
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about where things stand today in the

690
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: fight over the rights and the fortune of the Sea monkeys.

691
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: If you want to know, then you're in luck. Just

692
00:40:41,560 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: listen to chuck self. Sh alright, So we know what happened? Actually,

693
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,399
Speaker 1: how did he die? I didn't even see that. I

694
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,439
Speaker 1: didn't see that either. Um, he died in two thousand three,

695
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure why. All right, So he died, Yeah,

696
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: that's true. But he left behind his wife, Yawanda uh

697
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: Signarelli von braun Hutt. Did you lock her up? Oh? Yeah, Okay, Yeah,

698
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 1: she was. She was an actress. Uh, she was sort

699
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: of a sort of like a pin up bombshell b

700
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: movie actress, is fair ish. I had also seen her

701
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: movies as described as adult films as well. Um, she

702
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: was in a movie. I gotta see this one. It's

703
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: called Love After Death and it's a softcore zombie flick

704
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: from the sixties. Yeah. Um, but yes, she was a

705
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: pretty interesting person in her own right as well. Yeah.

706
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: And she says for her as far as the Aryan

707
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:09,240
Speaker 1: Nation stuff, she says like, I never knew and saw

708
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: this side of him. So I don't know she's being

709
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: on the level or if she's just um, kind of

710
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: quashing this and covering for him. It's kind of not

711
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: clear to me. I saw. I don't know if it

712
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: was in that New York Times article or in the

713
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: Washington Post article, but his first wife was contacted and

714
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: interviewed for it, and she was like, what are you

715
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: guys talking about? Really? Yeah? So who knows. Maybe he

716
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: did just keep that He was clearly somebody who could

717
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: compartmentalize the different parts of his personality. So maybe maybe

718
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: he really did just leave leave the wives out of it. Man,

719
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: How how could you not know something like that's crazy,

720
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: just going going to Idaho on my yearly trip. Yeah,

721
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: that's weird. He always goes to Idaho and the Aryan

722
00:42:54,719 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: nation assembles, all right. So um, Yolanda Signare Levon bron

723
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 1: Hut lived and I think still lives in or at

724
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: least as of two years ago when this article came

725
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: out in the Potomac River estate in southern Maryland. But

726
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: she is um, she's she's she's broke. Basically, she has

727
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: no electricity, no running water, and she has been in

728
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: uh been an illegal battle with Big Time Toys and

729
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: their chief executive Sam Harwell for basically several years, trying

730
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: to get money because Big Time Toy says, this is

731
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: our company. Now. Yeah, Big Time Toys sounds like I'd

732
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 1: be nervous about going into business with them. I'm more

733
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 1: of a basic fun guy. Big Time Toys sounds like

734
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: they're moving too fast for me, you know what I mean?

735
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: So yeah, so um, so Yolanda braun Hutt has she's

736
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: got kind of like a great gardens thing going on

737
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,720
Speaker 1: right now, get against her will. This is not something

738
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 1: she's happy about at all. And her position is as

739
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: far as the Times tells. It is that she engaged

740
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: in a licensing deal, which is how sea monkeys have

741
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: been produced basically since the beginning, with a company with

742
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: that company, Big Time Toys, where they would handle the

743
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:26,720
Speaker 1: packaging and the distribution, and her company, her own little

744
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: company UM would handle making the actual sea monkeys that

745
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: that that were that were put into the packaging that

746
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: Big Time Toys sold. Right, So Big Time Toys would

747
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 1: buy the sea monkeys that they would put into the

748
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: packages and then would turn around and sell to the public.

749
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: That was the arrangement initially, right, So we have the

750
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: secret formula that no one else has seemed to be

751
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: been able to crack. This is Yolanda talking. Should have

752
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: done my Jolana voice. Yeah, let's hear. I don't know

753
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: what she sounds like. I pitched Italian stereotype. No no, no,

754
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: uh she It would have been like three different groups

755
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: of people if um she she basically said, we have

756
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: the secret formula for the only one that works that

757
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: can keep these things alive. Everyone else has tried and failed,

758
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: and so we will sell these to you and you

759
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: can do everything else and cut me a check. And

760
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: there was also a side deal that said you can

761
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: buy this company, including the secret formula, for five million

762
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,959
Speaker 1: bucks up front and then another five million and installments.

763
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: And so Big Time basically called her up a few

764
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: years ago, probably about five years ago at this point,

765
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: if my math is right, and said, UM, you know what,

766
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: all these payments we've been making to you, um for

767
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: the licensing deal, we just kind of consider that layaway.

768
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: And as far as we're concerned, we own sea monkeys. Now, yeah,

769
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: we've reached that five million dollar points. So there are

770
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: which ostensibly should not have been that money. It should

771
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: been separate payments, if I understand this correctly. But I mean,

772
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: when somebody does that, what are you gonna do? You

773
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: gotta go sue them, And that's what they're doing, and

774
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: they're bleeding this lady dry at least as far as

775
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: this this New York Times UM profile is concerned. Uh.

776
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 1: And I mean, if you get into a fight like

777
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: that and you don't have the money, you can lose.

778
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 1: So this is a this could be a sad end

779
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: to the sea monkey um saga, because here's the other problem.

780
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: You might be saying to yourself, well, why doesn't she

781
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 1: just not sell them the sea monkeys anymore? Well, she did.

782
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: She stopped when they stopped making payments and said they

783
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 1: own the Sea Monkey brand. And it turned out that

784
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: in this court case, um, that big big, Big Time

785
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: Toys have been buying knockoff sea monkeys from China, and

786
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: then that's what they were putting into the Sea Monkey thing.

787
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: So apparently if you're buying, if you buy a currently

788
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 1: a Sea Monkey package, you're getting Time Toys packaging, and um,

789
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: Chinese knockoff see monkey packets which don't work. Apparently, I

790
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 1: went and looked at Amazon reviews and almost all of

791
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: them for all the products said none of them hatched,

792
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: or they hatched for like a day. These things stink.

793
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: When I was a kid, they worked, So it's weird that. Um,

794
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 1: it's sort of ironic that they ended up creating the

795
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: special breed essentially that worked, and that ended up being

796
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: there undoing. Because in court, in the affidavit, the leader

797
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: this Harwell guy, whose wife, by the way, is the head.

798
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: She's a speaker of the House of the Tennessee House

799
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: of Representatives. So yeah, they're they're a power family all

800
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: the way around, not to be trifled with. In his affidavit,

801
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 1: he says he outsourced the sea monkeys to China and

802
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 1: says there are seven recognized species of our timmy a

803
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: brine shrimp, and this is not one of them. So

804
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: because they had created their own, uh species, it ended

805
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: up being there undoing at court. It looks like because

806
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: it doesn't officially exist as a real species that these

807
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,959
Speaker 1: guys are getting. Yeah, but I'm pretty sure he got

808
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: a patent on the species that they they made. Well, no,

809
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying though, But he's not getting that species.

810
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: Oh I see, he's getting these Well they're not knockoffs

811
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: there Mother Nature's own China, but they're not the ones

812
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: that are working, right, I got you. So it's just

813
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: a mess. But then still doesn't that like raise questions

814
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: about how you could use the sea monkey's names? That's

815
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: what I wondered. But I guess if they had the

816
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: license to use the sea monkey's name because they were

817
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:49,399
Speaker 1: in charge of packaging and distribution, then yeah, I guess

818
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: they could say, well, we're not going to use the

819
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: official ones any longer, We're going to use these natural ones. Man,

820
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: what a mess. Well, and it's a mess too because

821
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, do I root for the side of

822
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 1: this guy who was a white nationalist. Um. But you know,

823
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 1: his wife says she didn't know anything about that, and

824
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: she's going broke and has has been basically had this

825
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: company stolen from her. It seems like, yeah, it's just

826
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know what to think. Or

827
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: do you root for the guys who are apparently stealing

828
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: the company? Fam widow of the white nationalist. Yeah, you

829
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: know what I predict, the chuck. I predict that Sea Monkeys,

830
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 1: the brand will ultimately rise about this, that it will

831
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 1: it will survive this somehow and still be around thirty

832
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 1: years from now. The sea monkeys will take over. Yeah,

833
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: they will eventually overthrow the human race, like the Arians

834
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 1: plotted to overthrow the US government. What a story, It's

835
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 1: quite a story. There's a good one, man. Thanks for

836
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: digging this up. Sure, well, if you want to know

837
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: more about sea monkeys, just start digging around, pulling at

838
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 1: the loose threads. You're gonna find some interesting stuff. And

839
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: since I said interesting stuff, that means it's time friends

840
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: for a listener mail. I'm gonna call this, uh pomp

841
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: paii Pompeian lemons. Is that how you would say it? Pompeian? Yeah,

842
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,240
Speaker 1: I thought that was beautiful. All right, Long time listener,

843
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,439
Speaker 1: first time emailer. Guys recently listened to the Pompei show.

844
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,399
Speaker 1: Very informative. Uh. And I used to be a tour

845
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: guide in Europe and led close to fifteen tours on

846
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: the Amalfi Coast, Pompeii and Mount Vesuvius. I listened to

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Speaker 1: Josh experience with the lemons. They do, in fact grow

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Speaker 1: to be the size of your head. However, those gigantic

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Speaker 1: lemons are actually called cedri and are more for show

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Speaker 1: the size of a normal lemon. The rind can be

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Speaker 1: a few inches thick, and boy are they better. Definitely

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Speaker 1: not something you keep around for lemonade. Just something I

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Speaker 1: wanted to share. Thanks for ruining everything for me. Uh

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Speaker 1: And also another thought the other day in the car,

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Speaker 1: of you asked for a commercial break? But it'd be

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Speaker 1: funny if one of you just said, nah, we've come close.

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Speaker 1: Have we have? Haven't we? I don't know. Did not

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Speaker 1: make it into an episode? It might not? Have we have?

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Speaker 1: And we just edited that part out and kept going.

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Speaker 1: I think, well, that is from Matt McDonald, who has

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Speaker 1: a software developer at Neo Cloud. Thanks a lot, Matt, um.

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Speaker 1: I think I was kind of disappointed to read that

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