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The Colin Coward Podcast 11 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: presented by the Fan Duel Sports Book. Hi everybody, and 12 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: welcome in to the Friday Morning Podcast. This is going 13 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: to be a really good one. Mel Tucker, Michigan State 14 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: football coach. The craziness of the sport now with name 15 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: image likeness with the transfer portal as he spend all 16 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: day on the phone recruiting. But first, fake questions, real answers. 17 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: I've got things I want to talk about, but don't 18 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: want to wait for you to ask me the question, 19 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:29,119 Speaker 1: Dear Colin, did you see that Arizona quarterback Kyler Murray 20 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 1: called you out on Twitter? Well? Yeah, I did, But 21 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: I think Kyler Murray was confused about my five minute 22 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: rant on he and Aaron Rodgers. What I said is 23 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: it's easier to build a culture as a head coach 24 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: with certain athletes Kyler Murray and Aaron Rodgers. It's not impossible, 25 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: but they are harder to build a culture around. They're 26 00:01:55,120 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: wildly talented, kind of their own guys, have trust issues, 27 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,919 Speaker 1: can be kind of detached, and aloof these aren't my opinions. 28 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: These are well documented personality traits. Now I would pay 29 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 1: Kyler and I would pay Aaron Rodgers, But Tim Duncan, Brussell, Wilson, 30 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 1: Tom Brady are easier to build around. They lean into 31 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: a coach's culture. Kyler leans into Kyler and Aaron leans 32 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: into Aaron. That makes it harder. I said this for years. 33 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: I thought Mike Tomlin has built a very formidable culture. 34 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: Sometimes Big Ben leaned into it. Sometimes he didn't. He 35 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 1: didn't put the time in in the offseason. That being 36 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: Big Ben. I don't worry about the work ethic by 37 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. He insinuates in his Twitter post he thinks 38 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: I'm questioning his work ethic. No, not, I'm questioning some 39 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: personality traits that are difficult. Listen, he was sort of 40 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 1: a baseball guy. He was a football guy. He's been 41 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: somebody as a smaller athlete who is absolutely and justifiably 42 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: concerned about his health. He wants the money now I 43 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: get it. Three years in a row, he's been better, 44 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: and Arizona's getting better. But we all know this. We've 45 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: all worked with people. Some people are salesman, some people 46 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: are executives. Some people can be bosses. People have personality traits. 47 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: Kyler and Aaron's traits, personality wise, are harder to build 48 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: a cohesive culture around. Not impossible, not impossible. I talk 49 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: to Christian Kirk, former teammate of Kyler Murray yesterday now 50 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: with Jacksonville. They've known each other since high school. They 51 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: were tight. But Larry Fitzgerald a J. Greene have both 52 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: come out and been fairly critical of Kyler. He got 53 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: too much, perhaps too soon. He's now always very verbal 54 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: or communicative. It's not a criticism, it's a reality. Dear Colin, 55 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: do you think Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving for the 56 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: Brooklyn Nets deserve each other? Well, I don't know if 57 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: they deserve each other, but this has to be said. 58 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: Two years ago, these guys went on a podcast with 59 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: each other and both were quoted saying, we don't really 60 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: need a coach. Okay, that's delusional. Here's one thing all 61 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: dynasties football, basketball, and baseball. But let's stay to football basketball. 62 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: All dynasties have had in common. One thing. They've all 63 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: had legendary coaches. Think about the NBA, the Showtime Lakers, 64 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: Pat Riley, the Warriors, Steve Kerr, the Bolls, Phil Jackson, 65 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: the Spurs, Greg Popovitch. Those are our four big dynasties. 66 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: NFL go to the seventies Chuck Noll, Steelers, the Cowboys, 67 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson, the Niners, Bill Walsh, the Patriots, Bill Belichick. 68 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: Go to college basketball dynasty's UCLA, John Wooden, Duke Carolina, 69 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: Mike Schevsky, Dean Smith. There's never an exception. The fact 70 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 1: that Kad and Kyrie tried to invalidate the need for 71 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: coaching is nuts. I mean, Michael Jordan was not only 72 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: the best player, he was coachable. Scottie Pippen was able 73 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: to embrace the fact he would be the best robin 74 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: to a batman in the league in every field. The 75 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: greats succeed by trying to push the limits, but they 76 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: also succeed by knowing their limits and limitations. Katie and 77 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:44,359 Speaker 1: Kyrie don't get it. You need great coaches, not just 78 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: great talent. Dear Colin, what do you make of Jerry 79 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 1: West getting really upset over his portrayal in HBO's show 80 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: Winning Time about the Lakers? What I make of it 81 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: is Ry demanding an apology and retraction will probably bring 82 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 1: more eyeballs to the show. There's something called the Streisand effect. 83 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: Barbara Streisen years ago saw pictures of her Malibu house 84 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 1: it's on a cliff on the Internet, so she was 85 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: going to sue people to have those pictures taken off 86 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: the internet. Instead, the Streisand effect when she tried to 87 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: suppress something more people went to the Internet to find 88 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: out where Barbara Streisand lived. So it's known now is 89 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: the Streisand effect. Listen, when you're part of a Hollywood production, 90 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 1: you do know this, right. The bottom line is they're 91 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: going to take your personality, quirks or habits, and then 92 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: they're going to embellish them. I mean, Kareem was legendarily 93 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: prickly and stoic. He's now prickly and stoic on HGH. 94 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 1: Jerry Buss was a maverick and a bit of a playboy. 95 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: He's like Hugh Hefter in this thing. And Jerry West 96 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: was a bit of a hothead. So on the early 97 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: episodes they've made him appear to be a sociopath. But 98 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: by demanding an apology or a retraction, he'll drive more 99 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: people to the show. Listen, it's Hollywood. They once did 100 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: a movie about Jesus and embellished him. If you can 101 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: embellish him, you can embellish an NBA executive. Chill out, 102 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: Jerry Dear Colin Deebo. Samuel wants out of the forty 103 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: nine ers. What could he learn from the careers of 104 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: other NFL players? Well with coaches, talk show hosts, and quarterbacks. 105 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: I don't think you should be driven by money. Money 106 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: can be in the backseat of the car, but I 107 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: don't think it can be in the front seat. I'll 108 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: explain that in a second wide receivers you can put 109 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: the money bag right next to you. We don't think 110 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: less of Randy Moss or no Super Bowls, or Calvin 111 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald. Now if I was Deebo Samuel. 112 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: I'd want to ensure if I'm traded, I go to 113 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: a place with a great quarterback to remain relevant. Randy 114 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: Moss going to New England remained relevant. He was irrelevant 115 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: before he went there with the Raiders, and as he 116 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: left New England he became less relevant. For a receiver, 117 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 1: relevance equals money. Production equals money. So get to a 118 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: quarterback that can elevate both receivers should mostly take the 119 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 1: bag first. But let's get back to quarterbacks, coaches or 120 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: talk show hosts. Quarterbacks and coaches legacies are framed around championships. 121 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: Dan Marino's more talented than Tom Brady or Joe Montana, 122 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: but we don't talk about him. No Super Bowls receivers, 123 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: we still put Randy Moss top of the class despite 124 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: no rings talk show host. Similar to a quarterback, the 125 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: platform you are on will overwhelmingly dictate your legacy. Don't 126 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: get me wrong. I love John Stewart, but when he 127 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: left cable and went to streaming, he just had a 128 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: show on a streaming platform and it absolutely bombed. There's 129 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: a reason Bill Maherr has been relevant for twenty five years. 130 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: He's remained on HBO. There's a reason David Letterman remained 131 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: relevant for thirty years, NBC, CBS, major platforms. How about 132 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: Chris Wallace, for years noteworthy at Fox, he decided to 133 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: pivot to CNN Plus. Anybody's seen Chris Wallace lately, CNN 134 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: Plus is folded. That's why I tell broadcasters money has 135 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: to be in the backseat. Chase platforms, stability and executives 136 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: and bosses in the front seat of the car. If 137 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 1: I'm Deebo Samuel, go after the bag, but cross your 138 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: fingers you land with a really high end quarterback at 139 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: your next stop. Speaking of broadcasting, Colin, my question, what 140 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: do you think of Netflix losing two hundred thousand subscribers 141 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: in the first quarter of this year. Well, I have 142 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 1: streaming fatigue. When the pandemic hit, I signed up for 143 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: everything because I was stuck inside for almost eighteen months. 144 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: The problem with binge viewing, and that's what streaming becomes 145 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: is I can watch an entire series on a Tuesday, 146 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: but then I'm done with that series and done with 147 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: Hulu or Netflix or Paramount. I'm done with them for 148 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: another month. On broadcast TV or cable, I get on 149 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: the treadmill every day to watch my favorite sports show 150 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,839 Speaker 1: or favorite game, or favorite political show. So I'm a 151 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: regular consumer of cable because it's got me every day. 152 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: What happened with streaming services and Netflix is a product 153 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: of this is when the pandemic mostly ends and you 154 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: look at your monthly bill with all these streaming services, 155 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 1: it's much higher now than it was with cable, and 156 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 1: you're still watching cable much more than you're watching streaming. 157 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: So I pay now more for the thirteen streaming services 158 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: I have than I do for my one hundred and 159 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: thirty two dollars a month in cable, and I get 160 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: a lot more hours on cable and a lot more sports. Listen, 161 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: Wall Street always invested in these companies for the long term. 162 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: Netflix was losing money every year, but they were growing 163 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: their subscription base. But they are spending billions a year 164 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: eight nine ten billion a year in production costs. That's 165 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: why a Netflix show, that's why an HBO show, the 166 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: production levels are so much better than broadcast television. They're 167 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: paying for better directors, they're paying for more cameras and 168 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: better actors and better writers. Networks can't keep up the 169 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: problem of courses. Networks are leaner and more profitable, and 170 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: these streaming services overpaying for everything. We're betting that as 171 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: they grew this consumer base, eventually they would flourish with revenue. 172 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: Here's a problem. The pandemic mostly ends. Subscribers have streaming fatigue, 173 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: their bills have now ratcheted up, and as they leave, 174 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: all these streaming services are left saying, Okay, we've got 175 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: great quality, but we're still not making money, and now 176 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: we're losing millions of subscribers. Wall Street has officially bailed. 177 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: This is something privately. 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Well, 220 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: he did play at Wisconsin, but I started noticing Colorado 221 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: football that they were getting much more physical and that's 222 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: not really Colorado Football's brand. Pre Meil Tucker. So when 223 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: he after multiple pursuits by multiple schools, Michigan State was 224 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: able to pull him away. And I said on the 225 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: air at the time, I said, oh yeah, this is 226 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: gonna work fast, This isn't gonna take a long time. 227 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: And then COVID hit. So Tucker did what's virtually impossible 228 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: two and five first year, eleven and two last year, 229 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: really still dealing with a pandemic. So you coached under 230 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: Sabin in twenty fifteen. And there's so many parts of 231 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: being a coach. There is the development, the recruiting, the administrative, 232 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: the operational, the practice coach, the in game strategy. If 233 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: I said to you, take something you took from Saban 234 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: that you you literally believe he is the gold standard 235 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: of blank what would it be he is a good 236 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: standard for That's a tough question because he's excellent across 237 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: the board. That's the one thing that one of the 238 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: things I love so much about him is that he's, uh, 239 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: he's a to z. But his his attention to detail 240 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: is extraordinary. I mean, it's it's it's extremely important, because 241 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 1: you know, there's a saying how you do something is 242 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: how you do everything. Everything that he does is detailed 243 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: into the letter. He's crossing every team, he's dotting every 244 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 1: eye and that's his personal standard and that's also the 245 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: standard of his entire organization and everyone in it. It's 246 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: very It would be very easy in the SEC to 247 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 1: have a random rogue booster pay a player at yet 248 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: at Alabama, they'd be on reproach. We don't hear about that. 249 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: And that's a rabid part of the country. You've been 250 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 1: there where you know a card dealer. He just wants 251 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: to be part of the whole operation. And you know 252 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: it just takes a one hundred dollar bill in a hand. 253 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 1: Now these days you won't get in trouble for it currently. 254 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: But what did he tell kids to listen to these kids, 255 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: it's not like they have Sometimes it's a Friday night 256 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: and they want a piece of pizza. They got a girlfriend, 257 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 1: they don't have the money. How did he preach to 258 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: kids about don't ruin this puppy, don't bring the program 259 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: down because I know in college I could have used 260 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: a Hundy so many times. Yeah. Well, I mean he preaches, 261 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 1: you know, being responsible for your own self determination, um, 262 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: you know, and and doing things the right way, um, 263 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: and you know, controlling what you can control and making 264 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: and making good decisions you know, and so and it's 265 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: all about the choices and decisions that you make. Um. 266 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: They create the outcomes and uh, and ultimately, um, you 267 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: know that's that determines whether you're going to be successful 268 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 1: or not just not only on the field, but off 269 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: the field, and not just here while you're in while 270 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: you're in school, but you know, beyond, beyond school and 271 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: out in the real world. And so you know, there's 272 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: no shortcuts to success or no magic pill. And you 273 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: know the good thing now and it's been it's been 274 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: like this for a number of years, is that as 275 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: you know, when we're at school, we didn't we didn't 276 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: you know, if you're on four while you didn't have it, 277 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 1: you didn't have any money, you didn't have pizza of money. 278 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: You there there there's costs of attendance now and and 279 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 1: you know the austin uh uh deal is is fifty 280 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: nine eighty or whatever that's you know, that's that's here 281 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: or on the horizon. There's some schools um in the 282 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: very new in your future future and so um, you 283 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: know there's a you know, room board to wish your fees, 284 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,120 Speaker 1: book costs for tenants, you know, um sometimes you know, 285 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 1: maybe elible for pearl granted things like that. And then 286 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: the aust of money and then out with the name, name, 287 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: image and likeness and things like that. UM you know, uh, 288 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: you know kids, do you know, do uh have the 289 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: opportunity to have some some extra money in their pocket? Um? 290 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 1: Which I think, UM, you know, ultimately and in theory 291 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: it should um you know really, UM take a focus 292 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: on way somewhat from from that part of it and 293 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: where they can just keep the main thing. The main 294 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: thing is focused on school and uh in getting a 295 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: and being a basketball player you can be. Do you 296 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 1: worry mail because of the transfer portal, you got to 297 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: rerecruit some of your own kids. UM. I've heard this 298 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 1: from a couple of college basketball coaches that they just 299 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 1: they don't want to be salesman twenty four to seven. 300 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: They like coaching, They like developing. Are you worried with 301 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: all these current changes that you'll literally just be recruiting 302 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: eighty percent of your life? Now you know it's part 303 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: of it, But are you worried about the balance between Hey, man, 304 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 1: I got into this thing to coach, not to sell 305 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 1: all day. Well, coaching is a lifestyle, There's no doubt 306 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: about it. It's a it's not a job. It's not 307 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: it's interwoven and everything that you do. UM, family and 308 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: otherwise and Jim Trussell taught me a long time ago. 309 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: I was on it. I was, I was at ohiose 310 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 1: stay with him its first four years and he told me, 311 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,199 Speaker 1: you have to recruit your own players every day. That 312 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: was then, that was like two thousand and one. UM, 313 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: you're always selling your program. You're always looking to get 314 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: more and more buying. Every opportunity you have to interact 315 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 1: with your with your player, with one of the players 316 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: as an opportunity to sell your program and sell division, 317 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: you know, sell the culture, cemented culture, hamming a culture, 318 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: and you know, and and influence the players in a 319 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,360 Speaker 1: positive way and get them to buy into something it's 320 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 1: bigger than themselves. And the buying to the team, UM, 321 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: knowing that if they they help the team, UM get 322 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: what they want, then ultimately what they what they want 323 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: individually and so UM. You know, I've always been about 324 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: recruiting players that are that are currently on the team. UM, 325 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 1: I think I just think you have to do that. 326 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: And so now there's there's there's no difference, just nothing 327 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: have If you want a specific answer, you have to 328 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: ask a specific question, like right now, I'm towards the 329 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: end of the kind of these end of spring meetings 330 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: with the players. We just finished spring ball. It's past Saturday, 331 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: and so I've got guys in here from every fifteen minutes, 332 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:08,479 Speaker 1: from from eight to five. And uh, you asked them, 333 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: how are you happy here? You know, it's straight up, 334 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:16,120 Speaker 1: are you happy here? And how how are things going? Um? 335 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: It's just a place where you see where you're going 336 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: to be able to be successful in the feeling off 337 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: the field. Are there any issues anything I need to 338 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 1: know about, anything I can do to anything I can 339 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: do to help? Um? And and then if there are issues, 340 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: you know, let's let's talk about them. And that's that's legitimate, 341 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 1: those legitimate questions to ask. I mean and and uh, 342 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: because I mean, ultimately we're responsible for for these for 343 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 1: these young men and their well being, and we promised 344 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 1: them that we're going to help them be successful on 345 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 1: and off the field. And if they're not happy, um, 346 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,919 Speaker 1: you know here, then you know, is it something that 347 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 1: we can fix? Is it something there's some adjustments to 348 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: be to be made, and you know what is the cause? 349 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 1: And and we got guys, you know, they're eighteen, seventeen 350 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 1: years old and twenty two years old here. Um, and 351 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: so they're all different status of development. I talked to 352 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,919 Speaker 1: a young man earlier today and I said, hey, there 353 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: was just you know, after the season, there was all 354 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: these rumors about you going to the portal, and I 355 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: talked to you about it and and and and uh. 356 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 1: Then I said, you know what, once you re visit that, 357 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,199 Speaker 1: like what the heck was going on? You know, you 358 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,239 Speaker 1: were a freshman, you had a good year, and I 359 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: know you were injured, but you know, ultimately he was 360 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,719 Speaker 1: a little homesick. You know, he was a little homesick, 361 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: and he got injured and he was he felt a 362 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 1: little detached from the team a little bit. And uh, 363 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: you know, but he worked through it and he's got 364 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,679 Speaker 1: he got his teammates, you know, helping through it and 365 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,479 Speaker 1: the coaches, and he worked through it and now he's 366 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: getting Now he'sn't get shaped. You know, he's he's fine. 367 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: But you know, if I think it would be quite 368 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: a few of us that have said, would have said 369 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: when we were in college that we had some has 370 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 1: some doubts about you know, we should be there or not, 371 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,880 Speaker 1: or maybe some maybe thought about maybe maybe going home 372 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: or going somewhere else. It's just it's easily. It's readily 373 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: available to them now where back in the day that 374 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: wasn't really an option. This whole thing about you coached 375 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 1: in the South, you're now a head coach in the Midwest. 376 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 1: You played with Wisconsin, and you also coached in the 377 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: Pac twelve. And I've said this before that I believe 378 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: the SEC and the Big Ten or the two biggest 379 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: conferences largely because those areas of the country don't have 380 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: as much pro sports. The Northeast azillion pro teams, West Coast, 381 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: you know, LA's got eight pro teams, And when people 382 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 1: criticize the Pac twelve, I'm like, there's a lot to 383 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,439 Speaker 1: do out here. We got a coach, we got beaches, 384 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: we got mountains, we got the NFL, we got the NBA. 385 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: And I do think that one of the things the 386 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 1: Big Ten really is it really important. Is a Big 387 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: Ten football to me feels like as big as any 388 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: think in the Midwest outside of maybe packer football or 389 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 1: something like. It's it's as big as anything you coached 390 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: out west. You coach in the South, and you coached 391 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: now in the Middlewest. Did you feel it out west 392 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: that it just wasn't quite as intense? Uh? It was. 393 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: I don't I'm not sure. I think it's I think 394 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: it's kind of maybe case by case, you know, maybe 395 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: it depends on the the university, in the in the 396 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: history and the in the tradition um of the of 397 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: the school. But it wasn't a game that I that 398 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: I coached in there that I didn't feel assessor urgency 399 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: and I didn't feel like it wasn't it wasn't important 400 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: to everyone that was involved in the game on both 401 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 1: sides and all of all of the alumni and all 402 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: of the administration. Every game was you know, it felt 403 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 1: it was real and it was important. Um. You know, 404 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: but it has a different feel, just like the SEC 405 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: feels a little different than the Big in you know, 406 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: it's you know, people always ask me, so, which one's 407 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: better coach the LSU, Alabama and George, you know, the 408 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 1: Funds better? Is it is it? Uh? Is it SEC? 409 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: Is that better? Is it the Big Ten? You know? Um? 410 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: And uh, they're different. They just help they I don't 411 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: think one's better or worse. It just has a different feel. Um. 412 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: But you know, I would agree with you. You know, 413 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: I'm from Cleveland, and you know we you know, we 414 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: die hard. You know, Brown's you know, Indian's calves Um 415 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 1: you know, and uh you know Municipal Stadium back in 416 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: the day, you know, never leave early, no matter no 417 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 1: matter what how cold it is. You know there, you 418 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: know before before there was a dog pound, you know 419 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 1: it was it was, I mean it was rugged down there. 420 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,959 Speaker 1: You know, you catch the bus down there, everybody snowing 421 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,959 Speaker 1: and everything, and uh, you know, just uh, you just 422 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 1: grow up with in Ohio. I can't even I can't 423 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 1: remember making a conscious decision as a chid to play football. 424 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: I don't think there was ever a decision like, hey dad, 425 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: I want to play football. Like that was said to 426 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: what you're gonna do? Period. I mean it's not even 427 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,679 Speaker 1: it's not even a there was not even a thought 428 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 1: that you're not gonna play football. If you're a boy 429 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,199 Speaker 1: back in the day and and and you grown up 430 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: up in Ohio and Cleveland me, you're gonna play You're 431 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: gonna play football. You gonna play football, basketball, and baseball, period. 432 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,400 Speaker 1: Maybe run track. That's what it is. And so that's 433 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 1: the the that's the culture here and um in like 434 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: here at Michigan State, like football is important. I mean 435 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: like it's important to everyone. It's important to a lot 436 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: of people like it's like, uh, it's it's it's it's 437 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 1: what people look forward to year round. I mean even 438 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: like as soon as as soon as the peace balls over, 439 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: you know, can't wait to next season, coach, can't wait 440 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: till next season? I mean, can't wait for recruiting. How 441 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: are we doing that recruiting? You know this is gonna 442 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: be greatful recruiting. I mean, it just it just never stops. Man. 443 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 1: It's like it's it's a topic of discussion. And uh 444 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 1: and that's what and that's what I'm used to because 445 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: that's what I that's what I that's what I grew 446 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: up with. And I love it. I mean I love it. 447 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 1: I wouldn't I wouldn't want to be anywhere else. When 448 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: was the day you decided I'm gonna be a football 449 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: coach not just a player? Ooh uh it was sometime 450 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: and uh sometime in like ninety seven, I started my 451 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: I started my first coaching position was here at Michigan 452 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: State as a graduate assistant with Nick Saban in nineteen 453 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: ninety seven. Wow. Yeah, that's my first job. Ninety seven 454 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: and ninety eight. It was it was myself, Brian Polian, 455 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: Chuck Buller, Ted Alexon who works for Catapult. And then 456 00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: the following year, um, my second year, Brian Dabo came 457 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: in and h yeah, and then this our undergrad student 458 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: helper like coach or whatever was Adam Gase. He was 459 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: he was an undergead he was an undergrad student here 460 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: helping us break down film and do stuff like that. 461 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:23,719 Speaker 1: And then when we went to LSU and I went 462 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: to Lach said we brought him there as a GA 463 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: and then his career, you know, took off from there 464 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,719 Speaker 1: with and so uh. But in ninety seven, I think 465 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: that's when I decid because I volunteered a little bit 466 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: at my high school. After I got out of Wisconsin, 467 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: I went volunteer a little bit. I was working a 468 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: little I was volunteer. I really liked coaching and Coach 469 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: Savan recruited me when I was in high school when 470 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: he was a head coach of Toledo, and so I 471 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: wanted to get into coaching, and so uh so uh 472 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: that called Coach Savan up and and told him I 473 00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: wanted to get in and he hired me as he 474 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: heard me as a g My dad stayed in touch 475 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: with him when he was with the Browns. You know, 476 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: my dad would write him letters to tell him how 477 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: I was doing at Wisconsin. Nick would always ride him 478 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: back that type of guy here, and so he remembered me. Obviously, 479 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: my dad played until you though, he remembered me from 480 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: recruiting and so he hired me here in ninety seven. 481 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: So it was it was sometimes you know, maybe you know, 482 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: five six months before I got here, and uh, is 483 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 1: that I decided I wanted I wanted to coach. So 484 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: your first coach was Sabing. Did you think instantly, man, 485 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: these coaches are crazy, did you? I mean, what did 486 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: you think? I mean, that's your first experience. Yeah, that 487 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: was my well, you know, so okay, when I played, 488 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: it was I was in very Risin's first recruiting class 489 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 1: at Wisconsin. Oh wow, yeah, nineteen ninety so, I mean 490 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: it was Bill, Bill Callahan was there, Brad Childers was there, 491 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: Jay Norvelle was there. I mean those guys and so 492 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: very mean, those are some rugged guys. John Plimo, I mean, 493 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: Jim Hubert. Man, those guys were some rugged, hard not melt. 494 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: People don't realize Wisconsin was terrible when you got there. Yeah, 495 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 1: we were one and Tim my freshman year. But it's 496 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: it's weird because, uh, the guys on that team, Like 497 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: Troy Benson was on that team, is one of my 498 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: best friends. Chris Ballert was on that team. Really, yeah, Todder, Yeah, 499 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 1: Chris Ballert. Todd Orlando was on that team. Darrell Bevell 500 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: was on that team. Joe Rudolph, all these guys are 501 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: coaching or in football, Duret Sharp, commissioners Slack. All those 502 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: guys were on that team. Did when Barry was selling 503 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: you on this is what we're gonna be, did you 504 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: ever because he turned it around year three or four? 505 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: Really did you? Were you shocked? Wisconsin didn't win forever 506 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: for twenty years? No, I wasn't. I wasn't shocked because because, um, 507 00:31:55,840 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 1: because I knew I knew a guy. I met a 508 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:06,479 Speaker 1: guy through to play for the Browns. Um, I forget 509 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 1: his last name, but he played at Wisconsin and I 510 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: was introduced to him and and they hadn't gone one day. 511 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: McClaine was there. He played for Dave McClain. They hadn't 512 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: going there, and so um they told me all about 513 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 1: they had like a guy like Nate Oldham's and guys 514 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: like that there. So so UM, I knew that there 515 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: was a history there. And when I went on my 516 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 1: visit um there, McDonald donald Lela was the was the 517 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: chancellor at the time, and she's from Cleveland, so so 518 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 1: she kind of we kind of bonded, and uh it 519 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: took me to a hockey game. I've never been to 520 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: a live hockey game because at that time, hockey was 521 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: that they were a big man on campus in Madison 522 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: at the time. They ran I mean, it was all 523 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: hockey at that time because football was so down. And uh, 524 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: I go in there and the people are going crazy, 525 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 1: and then they got the bear gardens going sieve sim 526 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: sive Sims say, I mean the places going nuts. And 527 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: I'm saying, I'm saying, if they're doing this for hockey, 528 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: we get you get football gets going here, and thing's 529 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: gonna be rocking. I mean, this was before jump around, 530 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 1: This was before the jump arounds. This was this was 531 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 1: like there was we didn't have mirrors in the weight room. 532 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 1: There was nothing. And but you know, Barry had just 533 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: alb had just come from Notre Dame. Yeah, you know, 534 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: and then he you know, he had he was a 535 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: Nebraska guy. You know, he was a championship coach. I 536 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: mean there was no doubt about him. Mean, you talked 537 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: to Barry Avrez, I mean, you know right away, and 538 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: this guy is like, he's different. I mean he's different 539 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: than than than and the coaches and so but the 540 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 1: key to it was that that The key too was 541 00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 1: that he they were great recruiters, and they always recruited 542 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 1: better players than us. Every year the gout the class 543 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 1: they came in after us, they were better than us. 544 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: A classic came in. They were always better, you know. 545 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,919 Speaker 1: And I see that now as a coach, I said, 546 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 1: I was a coach. When you go in and you 547 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 1: get the job and depend on when you get it, 548 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,360 Speaker 1: and then you got kids already committed. You can't just 549 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 1: you gotta keep those guys committed and then try to 550 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: get a couple more before the signing date. Then you 551 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 1: go to the next class, you know. And I was 552 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 1: recruited late by Barry. He got the job. I was 553 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 1: kind of I was committed to Air Force Academy. I 554 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: mean I was committed later. You know my room, you know, 555 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,440 Speaker 1: it was my roommate was you know, I think he 556 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: I think my roommate, one of my roommates kind of 557 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: walked on and then earn it. They put him on 558 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: scholarship during camp and he ended up being a start 559 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 1: nosed guard. And but but the years after that, like 560 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,840 Speaker 1: Terrell Fletcher's second round pick, you know, running back. But 561 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: we helped recruit Terrell. You know, those guys came in, 562 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: came in, came in after us Man lead the Raymus 563 00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 1: and all those guys when they were better than us Man, 564 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,360 Speaker 1: and he recruited, recruited over the top of us and 565 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 1: ended up having a having a good football team. Man recruiting, 566 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 1: you had Nick Saban and Barry Alvarez as mentors. Those 567 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 1: are both top ten. I've said this before. What Barry 568 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,839 Speaker 1: Alvarez has done in a state with virtually no high 569 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: school football players maybe eight recruitable players a year. I mean, 570 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 1: only Oregon does that. Oregon and Wisconsin are it. That's it, 571 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 1: like you don't have players in state now. Oregon has 572 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 1: done it largely due to Phil Knights commitment to the university. 573 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,880 Speaker 1: Wisconsin's done it because of Barry Alvarez either coaching or 574 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 1: hiring good coaches. I mean, to me, Barry has sort 575 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 1: of a Bill Snyder. Remember Bill Snyder, Kansas State where 576 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 1: that thing wasn't necessarily built to be dominant in football. 577 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,719 Speaker 1: And like, to me, Barry is almost power of personality, 578 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 1: Like he's just so he's such a big presence, right, 579 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,840 Speaker 1: I know, yeah, he's We were scared of Barry. We 580 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:02,360 Speaker 1: thought he was in a mob, like you know, he 581 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,280 Speaker 1: was just Alby was just he was just so cool 582 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,359 Speaker 1: man like he was. And uh, I remember he pulled 583 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: up one time because you know, he have a shirt. 584 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 1: You know, he had a you know, the unbundled. He 585 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 1: had a gold chain on you know underneath and everything. 586 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:16,839 Speaker 1: He I'm gonna one time he pulled up he had 587 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,960 Speaker 1: a he had a white Cadillac with a red rag 588 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 1: top and the gold rims on there. Man like, he 589 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,840 Speaker 1: was just a cool guy man. And uh, but he was. 590 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: He had he had presence. He was tough and he 591 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 1: was hard, knows. I mean Dan McCarney was on that staff. 592 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 1: I mean those guys were and those guys were just 593 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 1: they were just rugged guys. And practice were hard, workouts 594 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 1: were hard. I mean everything was. But you know, he 595 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 1: he you know, he had a formula. It was like 596 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 1: like you know, you know how to win in Nebraska, 597 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 1: you know, you know how to win another dame. You know. 598 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: They had a you know, guys from Iowa, that staff, 599 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,279 Speaker 1: you know, you know how to win at Iowa. This 600 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,719 Speaker 1: is how we're gonna win at Wisconsin, you know. And and 601 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,239 Speaker 1: and Pat Roker was the was ad. You know, he 602 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 1: was a Wisconsin guy, ball guy, you know, back in 603 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,400 Speaker 1: the day. So they had their alignment, you know, don Slela, 604 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 1: Pat Richter Berry, Alvrez. You know, got the donors lined up. 605 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 1: And this is the formula. It's how we win here. 606 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 1: This is what this is our formula. You know, this 607 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 1: is what we're gonna do. We're gonna get big lineman. 608 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 1: You're gonna run the football, you know, Bill callahanging the 609 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,080 Speaker 1: zone scheme going, we're gonna have we're gonna make sure 610 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,399 Speaker 1: we got a couple of backs and we're gonna hammer 611 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 1: it and we're gonna play solid defense and we're gonna 612 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,799 Speaker 1: we're gonna get out there. That's that's how we that's 613 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 1: how we do it here. And it's the same formula. 614 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,319 Speaker 1: It just it just it just doesn't. It's the same thing. 615 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 1: And if you know you try to that's how you 616 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 1: do it there. That's what works. Make sure to check 617 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 1: out the dram on Green Show. I brought Draymond Green 618 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 1: into the Volume because one of the more entertaining voices 619 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 1: in sports, unique perspective understands behind the rope also chops 620 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,840 Speaker 1: up with guests like Gary Peyton, Zach Levine, Tracy McGrady. 621 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,839 Speaker 1: Make sure download The Draymond Green Show wherever you get 622 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:07,920 Speaker 1: your podcasts only on the Volume podcast Network. You know, 623 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:12,719 Speaker 1: think about this. You've you've been at schools not known 624 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:17,400 Speaker 1: as NFL factories Wisconsin and Colorado, and then you've been 625 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:22,120 Speaker 1: at Alabama, Georgia. You know the these legendary lsu, these 626 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:27,239 Speaker 1: legendary factories in all year years of recruiting, every single 627 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 1: day of recruiting, give me the best high school football 628 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,880 Speaker 1: player you have ever seen. Whether you got him or not, 629 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 1: you literally left the game and went, he is a 630 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 1: he is an absolute NFL Top ten pick. Oh man, 631 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,920 Speaker 1: that's a that's a that's a good one. That's a 632 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:50,800 Speaker 1: that's a that's a good one because oh well, um, 633 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,560 Speaker 1: I'll throw one. Did you see Julio Jones in high school? No? 634 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,760 Speaker 1: I didn't. I did not see I didn't see Hulo 635 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 1: Julio Jones in high school? Did see film with Lebron 636 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:07,319 Speaker 1: James wanted before he stopped playing football? It was we 637 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:11,879 Speaker 1: were sitting in a recruiting meeting and at Ohio State 638 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 1: and put we put the film on and we say 639 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 1: to put this put this kid, and they put the 640 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 1: film on, put the tape in there, and we're saying 641 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,120 Speaker 1: this and say, oh my god, that guy's amazing. He said, 642 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 1: don't worry about him, but he'll be first. I'll picked 643 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,800 Speaker 1: basket NBA guy. He's not gonna be playing football. But 644 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 1: really it was Lebron. But uh, I'll tell you what 645 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:35,240 Speaker 1: I saw. I know Ted. I know Ted again Junior 646 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,319 Speaker 1: since I was like, uh, since he was like eight 647 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,719 Speaker 1: years old, speed receiver. Yeah, and he was like the 648 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,759 Speaker 1: number one corner in the country coming out because he 649 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,800 Speaker 1: was like a kind of a wildcat type quarterback for 650 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,840 Speaker 1: there was Wildcat at Cleveland Glenville. He played for his 651 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:57,359 Speaker 1: dad and uh, I saw him play. He was at 652 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 1: that time the fastest football player on the I've seen 653 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,759 Speaker 1: on the field. Man. He could now. He he got 654 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,680 Speaker 1: drafted and I think he was a top ten pick 655 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:12,520 Speaker 1: and um and uh and he ended up playing like 656 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,160 Speaker 1: eleven twelve, thirteen years in the league. I mean, he 657 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,279 Speaker 1: just he just retired I think a year ago, you know. Um. 658 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:23,279 Speaker 1: But in terms of just looking looking out there and 659 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:28,920 Speaker 1: seeing a player. He said, man, that's that that guy's incredible. 660 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 1: But I just so happened in high school to play 661 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:35,360 Speaker 1: against Robert Smith a couple of times. Yeah, he's he 662 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,880 Speaker 1: went to UCLI High School. We played Euclid And in 663 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,880 Speaker 1: terms of just being on the field, I mean the 664 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,080 Speaker 1: seeing that that dude was one of the he's one 665 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:46,719 Speaker 1: of the best football players I've ever seen. I was, 666 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 1: I've actually seen played against some really good players. Um, 667 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 1: and I've seen some really some really good high school players. 668 00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 1: I mean because we we had we had a lot 669 00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 1: of first round picks at Ohio State when I was there, 670 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:06,239 Speaker 1: And I mean, I'll tell you what, man, all those 671 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:07,960 Speaker 1: guys when you see him and you see those guys 672 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 1: in high school, those first round guys, you know you 673 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,400 Speaker 1: know right away, do you know? Right right away to 674 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:18,120 Speaker 1: the first round. I remember being in Jacksonville, and I 675 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:22,280 Speaker 1: remember being in Jacksonville and Jack del Rio coming into 676 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,959 Speaker 1: the office one day and saying, man, this this kid 677 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,479 Speaker 1: at Lee. This is his kid because it's his son. 678 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,200 Speaker 1: Luke was playing football and Jack was going to the 679 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,440 Speaker 1: games and he come back he said, this is this 680 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,520 Speaker 1: huge kid down in Uley or whatever ended up being 681 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:43,319 Speaker 1: Derek Henry. Man. It was because we're trying on the table. 682 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,120 Speaker 1: I'm like, man, look at that kid's huge. Look at 683 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,120 Speaker 1: that guy. He's like he's like somebody's dad out there. 684 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,319 Speaker 1: Years and years later, I look back, I look back 685 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,319 Speaker 1: and said, man, that was Derek Henry because he was 686 00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,239 Speaker 1: on the team. You know, he won the Heisman in 687 00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,600 Speaker 1: fifteen when I went to Alabama. I'm saying them, and 688 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 1: I'm like putting two them too. I said, you, that's 689 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,400 Speaker 1: you're the saying that's the same kid I was watching 690 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,600 Speaker 1: like you back in high school playing against Luke del 691 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:15,960 Speaker 1: Rio's team. That is funny, So Harbaugh in you. It's interesting, 692 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:21,960 Speaker 1: big presence played the game. Can you be friends with 693 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,160 Speaker 1: the coach at Michigan? You can't be too closer friends, right, 694 00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,719 Speaker 1: You can't golf for the coach at Michigan. I think 695 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:32,319 Speaker 1: it's tough. I think it's tough. Yeah, I'm not saying 696 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:37,080 Speaker 1: it's not I'm not saying it's not possible, because you know, 697 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,400 Speaker 1: I just think it depends on your kind of your background, 698 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:43,439 Speaker 1: because you know there uh, you know I was told 699 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,000 Speaker 1: that Woody Hayes and Bush back a little good friends. 700 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,280 Speaker 1: They weren't. That's why. That's why, that's why I was told. 701 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,000 Speaker 1: I think they might have had history together. And my 702 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:58,239 Speaker 1: people hire credible coaches and and things like that. But um, 703 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,680 Speaker 1: you know it's uh, sometimes you don't know what's going 704 00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,919 Speaker 1: on behind the scenes, you know, with coaches in terms 705 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:08,560 Speaker 1: of their relationships. But um, with this the rivalry the 706 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,600 Speaker 1: way it is and us not really us really not 707 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:16,000 Speaker 1: having like coming from the same tree and we've been 708 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:20,279 Speaker 1: on the staff together, you know, things like that. Not Um, 709 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:26,480 Speaker 1: you know, I think it's kind of hard because you know, 710 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:31,959 Speaker 1: there's no reason to be friends, right, There's no there's 711 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,520 Speaker 1: no reason to do that. There's no what redeeming the 712 00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,160 Speaker 1: value would there be to sort of ford some type 713 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:42,560 Speaker 1: of friendship you know right here in the state, you know. Um, 714 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:46,080 Speaker 1: so it's kind of just not there. It's not like, 715 00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,640 Speaker 1: you know, there's some guys like uh, you know, like 716 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,040 Speaker 1: Lane Kiffer and I work with and Mario Chris Baul 717 00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,040 Speaker 1: I work with him, and you know Dan Lanning, I 718 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,600 Speaker 1: work with Dan, and Billy nay Per I work with Billy. 719 00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:01,360 Speaker 1: You know, Beams Beamer, you know, work with Beings. No, 720 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:06,120 Speaker 1: so you know, Sam Pittman good. You know, great friends 721 00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,600 Speaker 1: with Sam. He's doing a great job Argus. Also, you know, 722 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,360 Speaker 1: obviously like if we were you know, in the same 723 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,640 Speaker 1: conference or whatever we were, there be some type of 724 00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,359 Speaker 1: friendship there, you know, because you know we know each other, 725 00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:21,560 Speaker 1: we work together, right, Mel, It's been a pleasure. Um, 726 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,000 Speaker 1: Good luck to you. Kenneth Walker. By the way, it 727 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,520 Speaker 1: took me about three carries to tell Kenneth Walker, who's 728 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,239 Speaker 1: going to play in the league. Did you when you 729 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,440 Speaker 1: spotted him, did you know instantly he was going to 730 00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:37,200 Speaker 1: be that profoundly productive at Michigan State. Well, when you 731 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,960 Speaker 1: when you see it, when we saw its film, wait, 732 00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:41,880 Speaker 1: he's like, man, this guy can play. This guy's a 733 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,239 Speaker 1: back like you can see it. But then when he 734 00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,719 Speaker 1: got here, and he got here the strength coaches were 735 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,640 Speaker 1: saying him and this guy's coming in the weight room, 736 00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,439 Speaker 1: and he's like he's that guy like in the weight room, 737 00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,520 Speaker 1: like he's coming in like working, he's strong, he's explosive, 738 00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,160 Speaker 1: he's like off the charts like in our weight room 739 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,880 Speaker 1: like he is. He is like top of the easy 740 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,520 Speaker 1: elite in our weight room. So then we go in 741 00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:08,160 Speaker 1: the field. We started doing drills in the conditioning program, 742 00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:09,879 Speaker 1: and you see us, you see and now you see 743 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:15,440 Speaker 1: him up in person, and um, you see them in person, 744 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:20,640 Speaker 1: you're like, okay, it's it's it's he is what we 745 00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,520 Speaker 1: thought we were. Then you start putting. Then he put 746 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,640 Speaker 1: the ball in his hand and no one can tackle 747 00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,719 Speaker 1: the guy. He said, Okay, we's got one like he's 748 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,680 Speaker 1: he's that guy. You got to remember, like that, that 749 00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:34,160 Speaker 1: whole class, that guys we brought in with him, the 750 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,800 Speaker 1: high school guys in the in the transfers, all those guys. 751 00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:40,960 Speaker 1: You know, we were create those guys off like this 752 00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:45,200 Speaker 1: off of Zoom. We didn't we couldn't see those guys 753 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,279 Speaker 1: until they got here. The first time that we like 754 00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,120 Speaker 1: saw those guys, we're like, we're checking them in the house. 755 00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,040 Speaker 1: They're shaking her hands, saying, hey, nice to meet you 756 00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,839 Speaker 1: finally in person. A whole class. The guy we brought 757 00:45:55,960 --> 00:46:00,640 Speaker 1: at thirty some guys in what on Zoom calls FaceTime. 758 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,960 Speaker 1: He's a home run. He's a home run. Tell me 759 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,279 Speaker 1: about it. Tell me the first after the first game 760 00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,840 Speaker 1: in the Northwestern game, the locker room, I think we 761 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,200 Speaker 1: gave him the game ball and he tells me said, hey, coach, hey, 762 00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,640 Speaker 1: thanks for taking a chance on me, Like, thank you 763 00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,239 Speaker 1: for taking a chance on us. Man, you get the 764 00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,760 Speaker 1: best black in the country. I'm saying saying, the best 765 00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,319 Speaker 1: running back in the country, like period, point blank. You know, 766 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,200 Speaker 1: it was like you it was no It's like a 767 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,760 Speaker 1: no brainer. It's like automatic. I mean, like we didn't people. 768 00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:32,080 Speaker 1: People didn't know because it was everything was closed, like 769 00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,480 Speaker 1: I practiced and all that. The media wasn't that practice 770 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,719 Speaker 1: and things like that, you know, because of COVID and 771 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:38,560 Speaker 1: some of those things. It was just kind of we 772 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,239 Speaker 1: would just come out of COVID. It was Walter's like 773 00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:45,560 Speaker 1: no one really knew except us, like we knew. And 774 00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:50,600 Speaker 1: so because people were asking like how's the running back position? 775 00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:52,319 Speaker 1: How they said, well, yeah, we got some you know, 776 00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,560 Speaker 1: the guys looking pretty good. We're gonna be Then we 777 00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,760 Speaker 1: go to Northwestern game in the first place, like seventy 778 00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:01,640 Speaker 1: five yards the girl and everybody's a silid Like he 779 00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:05,080 Speaker 1: would say that every day, man, like every single day. 780 00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,239 Speaker 1: Can't talk with a guy. I know he loved the 781 00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:16,319 Speaker 1: country in yards after contact, Yeah, hips, everything you can see, 782 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,080 Speaker 1: that's a guy. You can see the weight room on 783 00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:22,239 Speaker 1: the field, that's weight room. It's uh, you know, all 784 00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:26,719 Speaker 1: the NFL guys are calling me and asking me, you know, 785 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,680 Speaker 1: as it's getting out to Danny Gritty, is there anything 786 00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,200 Speaker 1: that we don't know about this kind of like there's 787 00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,080 Speaker 1: got to be something wrong with this guy, Like what 788 00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,200 Speaker 1: isn't it is? He has some baggage? Is how's he 789 00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,279 Speaker 1: with you know, with his teammates, how's he with the 790 00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:45,960 Speaker 1: academical He's clean? I mean, that's that's he's that guys. 791 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,120 Speaker 1: It's him. That's right there, Like there's no there's nothing else. 792 00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:52,120 Speaker 1: It's all right there. I mean, it's rare that you 793 00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:56,120 Speaker 1: get a guy like that. It's he's just a clean 794 00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,480 Speaker 1: guy on the field. Off the field. He's humble and 795 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,200 Speaker 1: he and he's a fierst competitor, and he's a baller. 796 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:06,440 Speaker 1: He's a straight baller. Mal. It's been absolutely great, man, 797 00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,600 Speaker 1: it's been great for me. Thanks thanks for having me. 798 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:11,759 Speaker 1: You're one of my You're one of my favorites. Man. 799 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:16,719 Speaker 1: I mean, like you're I'm pinching myself right now now. Man, 800 00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,799 Speaker 1: I we you're the first. In fact, we had a 801 00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,040 Speaker 1: list of college coaches and I said, get me, Mal Tucker, 802 00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,440 Speaker 1: we need to promote this guy. I really appreciate it. 803 00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,120 Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Thank you so much. All right, mal 804 00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,239 Speaker 1: good luck to you. Yeah, thank you so much. Go Green. 805 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:43,600 Speaker 1: The volume