WEBVTT - The Great Unveiling 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:14.600 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:18.840 me your girl, Danielle Moody. Pre recording from the Home Bunker. 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:22.000 Folks. You know, I want to start off today. 0:00:22.120 --> 0:00:27.000 Today is the last pre recorded conversation that I had 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:30.880 with our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel, and I 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:33.080 just want to say, which I do at the top 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:37.239 of our conversation, is just how grateful I am for 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:41.879 Jonathan showing up each week, you know, to join me 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:47.199 in conversation, to have some really tough conversations, but nonetheless 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:52.159 try and figure out a way through write a path forward. 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:58.280 Whether we're talking about, you know, the gun issue, whether 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:01.520 we're talking about abortion, whether we're talking about our democracy 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:05.080 as a whole, mental health, all of these different components. 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:09.480 It is wonderful to be in the trenches with somebody 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:14.160 like Jonathan. On today's episode, you know, we kind of 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:17.640 give a retrospective, like I've been doing with some of 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:21.559 our favorite friends on you Know, what we think about 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:25.360 twenty twenty three, how it made us feel, how the 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:28.840 year has landed for us, and you know, and kind 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:33.240 of how we juxtapose the anxiety that we may feel 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:39.720 about the politics right and where we are globally versus 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:44.160 you know, how we've been managing through personally and what 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:49.480 conflicts that may arise internally around those things. I'm also 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:52.080 excited to remind you all that in twenty twenty four, 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:55.080 Jonathan and I will be live and in person in 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:59.680 New York at green Light Books in Brooklyn, where we'll 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:04.080 be in conversation about Jonathan's new book, What Have We Become? 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:08.240 And I'm really excited and honored to interview him there. 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:11.680 So if you find your way in New York or 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:14.359 you're in New York, come out and check us out. 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:19.400 We're going to be promoting that appearance on our socials, 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:22.560 so you'll be able to get the direct information there. 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:27.320 In the meantime, my dear friends, Coming up next, my 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:33.640 conversation with our friend, our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel. 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:40.080 I cannot believe that this is the last interview that 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:45.200 I am having with our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:50.320 Metzel for the year for twenty not forever, but as 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:56.160 we close out this year and open up a new one. Jonathan, First, 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:58.960 you know, I just have to thank you. You are 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:05.760 literally the best and have been the most loyal and 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:10.640 consistent and brilliant analysts that we have brought on wo KF. 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:15.480 Every week you show up and it is just it 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:18.480 is is truly given your schedule, all that you do, 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:23.880 it's truly an honor to be in conversation with you 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:27.360 every week and to count on and to look forward 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:30.320 to conversation with you every week. So I just want 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:32.880 to say how much I appreciate you. 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:34.800 Well, let me say the same. I mean, I it's 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:36.920 just this is honestly the highlight of my week. Very 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:40.560 often it's kind of like the world is spinning out 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:44.720 of control, but Danielle and I will figure it out. 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:50.600 So I'm grateful to everybody for listening in on like 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:55.720 our mutual therapy every week. But it's really lovely for 0:03:55.760 --> 0:04:00.640 me too. It's really a nice, consistent, rounding conversation where 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:03.280 we we take things that don't make sense and we 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:05.960 try to at least put a frame around them that 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:10.520 makes them not manageable maybe, but at least at least 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:12.280 gives us a way to think about them. And so 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:16.040 I think it's it's very mutual. It's you know, it's 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:18.080 it's maybe something to do with me or you, but 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:20.440 it's also just the way we talk about things that 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:24.159 it feels like it's very much like, Okay, the world's 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:25.680 on fire, how are we going to put it out? 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:27.120 Kind of yeah. 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:29.479 And I you know, and I just think that I 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:33.279 wish that more people, you know, had these types of conversations. 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:36.839 I wish that you know, that they were modeled for 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:39.480 folks on how to have these conversations because we've had 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:43.880 some difficult ones, right, We've had difficult ones where, you know, 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:48.000 right by your campus at Vanderbilt was you know, one 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:53.359 of the deadly school shootings of the year that took place, 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:55.919 and you know, you being in the thick of those 0:04:55.960 --> 0:05:00.480 things we've talked about, you know, attacks that have been 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:03.640 made on you and your character as you roll out 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:07.960 your new book. So I just want to get your thoughts. 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:11.320 We'll just jump right in with you know. And I 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:15.000 did this, I actually did this on democracy. Ish and 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:18.720 Waja Hot and I were talking about you, Jonathan, and 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:21.760 we said, so we were going back and forth. 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:23.160 We said, if you had to give. 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:29.200 Twenty twenty three a word, a word associated with twenty 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:33.039 twenty three, what would your word be. So I'm going 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:35.320 to change mind from what it was on democracy. It's 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:40.840 for folks you have listened a multiple words. Oh what 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:41.680 did Wash say? 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:43.800 You were talking about me on the show, like. 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:45.520 You Yeah, we were talking. Yeah, we were talking about 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:49.120 dying of whiteness. And just like one of our you know, thoughtful, 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:53.240 thoughtful friends that we rely on. 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:54.800 What was WASH's word? 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:57.480 I'm trying to think I remember what mine was, but okay, 0:05:57.720 --> 0:05:59.320 tell you tell me yours first. 0:05:59.839 --> 0:06:02.400 I was worried that like I was the word of 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:09.919 the year or something like that. It's yeah, well, you know, 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:15.080 it's funny, but like when I think of twenty twenty three, 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:18.520 like it's I don't know, there's not one single word 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:21.159 for it. But like, the stakes of stuff are really 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:24.279 clear right now, Like the stakes of things are really clear. 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:28.480 Like it's more like whatever illusion we may have had 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:31.520 about like what's at stake with everything is just like 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:34.479 twenty twenty three was a year where like the stakes 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:38.440 of things are exposed like this. You know, the decisions 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:42.279 are clear, the implications are clear. There's no mystery about 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:46.480 anything right now. And so I guess like almost unveiling 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:50.560 might be a kind of word that I would use. Yeah, yeah, 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:52.599 it's not like we can ever look back at this 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:56.040 moment and not know that the implications of the decisions 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:59.240 we make and the actions we take are just have 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:02.400 really real consequences. I mean, there, you know, there are 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:06.360 things to be encouraged about. And it's weird, like on 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:09.920 one hand, like I don't love the like, look at 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:12.040 all that Biden has done for you in something right 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:13.840 right right, But if you add up like some of 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:16.600 the stuff that the implications of winning the election have 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:21.520 had about student debt reform, about building infrastructure, about like 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:25.560 saving the economy, about like at least having like right 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:27.640 now there's a new COVID variant, and the fact that 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:34.720 we have a reasonably viable vaccine booster that's not ivermectin 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:39.560 and kool aid together. You know, those are real things, right. 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:41.360 Your life would be a lot worse if it wasn't 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:44.280 for those things. And so I don't want to minimize 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:46.640 that fact. But I would also say that like it's 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:49.720 kind of like that was like the preamble of all 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:54.080 the stuff that's coming. And so it's just there's something 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:57.559 about like right now where like what we do really 0:07:57.600 --> 0:07:59.960 matters right now, And so that my word would be 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:03.240 like something about and I really this is a very 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:08.280 academic ye kind of word, but like unveiling implications, strategy, 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:11.720 strategy stakes, something like that, which I know is not 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:14.040 sexy as a word. 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:16.120 Like I would know, I you know, I would I 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:19.840 think that unveiling yeah is actually a I think that 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:22.680 that is a really good word, you know, for for 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:24.200 the year yeah. 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:26.320 And so that that's it. I mean, like we are 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:29.800 in we are in act one of something big, right. 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:33.439 I made the joke on here before when the pandemic hit. 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:36.400 I think about thinking about the guy in year two 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:37.920 of the Hundred Years War. 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:41.040 And so I used this all the time, like if 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:41.920 I don't know where we. 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:43.960 Are, I'm saying, like I can't believe we put up 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:47.840 with two years this shit. And it's like, actually, historically 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:50.319 you have ninety eight years ago, and so that's kind 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:52.920 of where we are right now. And and so I 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:56.960 just think that that's that's that's kind of what's on 0:08:57.000 --> 0:08:59.600 my mind these days. Like it's like we are, we 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:02.800 are in the beginning of something big, and what that 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:05.840 how that plays out, It's just it. You know, who 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:09.240 we elect, who's in charge the decisions we make about 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:13.640 You asked about global and we've kind of gone back 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:16.960 and forth. I mean even in our conversations about Yeah, 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:20.120 the world is falling apart, our allies really our allies, 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:21.880 and then we kind of come back together and we're like, Okay, 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:23.080 what are we going to do? What are we going 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:25.680 to do? And so I just think that's that's where 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:28.240 we're at right now. What was your Yeah, I'm curious 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:28.960 what was your word? 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:32.520 So my my word and I can't remember Waj's word, 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:38.400 but my word on democracy ish was nimbleness. 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:43.120 And it was really talking about the fact that. 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:50.160 We are learning, right that we need the ability to 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:54.280 roll with and stretch with whatever is coming our way. 0:09:54.760 --> 0:10:00.839 That this whole idea that we can you know that 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:05.080 we're going to be stabilized anytime soon, isn't it. So 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:09.440 you need to learn how to ground and be nimble 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:12.240 with what is coming at you, otherwise you will break. 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:16.400 And so you know, when I think about. 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:21.360 Your word though, unveiled, you know, I really I think 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:26.920 that my other word to two words pressure cooker, right, Like, 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:30.440 I think that we are in a pressure cooker, and 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:34.040 I think that twenty twenty four is going to decide 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:37.360 whether we are able to safely remove the lid or 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:42.240 it blows completely off, you know, And so I you know, 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:45.920 that's what I think about as I'm like, and you know, 0:10:45.960 --> 0:10:49.760 it's also really challenging too because for you, I'm assuming 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:53.520 as well for me personally, a lot of great things 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:56.520 have happened, right Like, you know, a lot of great 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:58.920 things have happened career wise, a lot of great things 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:01.760 have happened, and you know, in my personal life, and 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:06.520 so to ux to pose that with like the the 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:11.880 trauma and like the anxiety that we're collectively experiencing in 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:17.240 the world is also a kind of really unnerving place 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:20.439 to be. It's like sometimes it's like should I be happy? 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:25.880 You know, because all of these things are happening, So 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:29.640 it's a really it is It is really complex. 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:34.520 I mean, if we could, I mean the question is like, 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:39.040 I mean, people are listening to this way around the holidays, 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:41.000 So I think it's important for you and me and 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:44.600 everybody to recharge right now because the energy it's going 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:47.840 to take. Like the first thing you said, what are 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:51.160 your words? And my first thought was hashtag rufi me. 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:55.720 I just want to forget, like like like just checking 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:58.960 out is a natural thing, but we cannot do it 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:01.400 right now, like the you know, we don't have that 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:04.400 option right now to kind of just forget about things, 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:06.319 and so it's going to take a lot of energy. 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:13.920 I would say, yeah, but you know, I'll tell you why. 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:21.160 I'm like, I'm thinking about guns a lot, obviously you 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:23.480 know which is. And let me just say acknowledge first 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:27.679 that I agree with you. Like personally, personally things are 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:31.280 a great you know, career, I have two books coming 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:36.440 out this year. Things are like it's it's weird that 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:39.839 there's this saying in psychiatry the negative affect gets the 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:42.400 attention or gets the energy. Like if there's one hundred 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:45.439 people in a room at a party and ninety nine 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:47.080 percent of the people are happy and like, I'm so 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:48.680 nice to be here, and one person comes in and 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:52.079 starts complaining, all the energy in the room goes toward 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:55.600 that one person, which is obviously Trump and other people 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:59.720 have mastered this. But so there's this thing where negative 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:03.120 apact just because all of a sudden, it's like wired 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:07.200 into our brains that we want to make that person happier, 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:08.800 we want to assuage that or something like that. And 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:12.960 so positive affect it doesn't win elections, it doesn't get clicks, 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:16.600 it doesn't it's not monetized in a way, and so 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:19.000 in a way you have to almost apologetically on the 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:21.520 side say oh, by the way, some good things happened, 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:26.080 even though like you know, like just misery loves company. 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:28.600 There's all these sayings about this in you know, going 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:30.880 over the years, but that is kind of how our 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:35.240 minds work, is that everything sucks is always going to 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:39.040 be a more compelling message. Particularly in electoral politics. Scaring 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:42.080 the shit out of people about other people is always 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:45.000 going to be a more effective strategy to get people 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:49.960 to vote than is saying, oh, everything's great. This is 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:51.880 in part on my mind. I'm writing an op ed 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:56.480 this morning about the danger that the Democratic approach to 0:13:56.559 --> 0:14:00.559 guns poses to the Democratic platform, in for which you 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:03.640 would think would be like totally anathetical to like how 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:08.160 we would think. You know that eighty six percent of 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:12.880 Americans support background checks, ninety percent of people support banning 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:18.160 assault weapons. Why do Democrats lose based on policies that 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:21.680 have ninety percent support? And it's because the Republicans don't 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:25.880 even mess with the policy. They just say, you know, 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:29.640 gang bangers are coming to steal your stuff, or you're 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:32.080 going to be unprotected in a crime, or you need 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:33.880 a gun, and liberals are going to come take your 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:37.400 guns in a way, even though those positions don't link 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:40.920 to any real policy except for like give everybody more guns, 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:45.200 but they're incredibly powerful at getting people to vote out 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:47.920 of scaring the crap out of people that things like that. 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:50.920 And so part of the issue is Democrats are winning 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:55.280 the popular vote on guns, but they risk losing the 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:57.760 election on guns even though what they do has ninety 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:02.280 percent support, because the mess people are coming to take 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:06.120 your stuff is a much greater driver of getting people 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:09.840 to actually go to the polls than is ninety percent 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:13.600 of people support background checks. And so that's this is 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:16.680 one of many many examples. But the point I try 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:19.160 to kind of try to make is there are issues 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:23.440 that are popularly supported, but they don't translate sometimes into 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:26.440 electoral victories. And we just have to remember that, and 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:28.240 not that we should scare the crap out of people, 0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:29.120 but I mean. 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:31.800 Oh I do. I try to do. 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:34.920 So that's that's that's what we do. So we have 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:37.040 to remember that, like it's just weird. Our our winter 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:41.480 take all electoral system rewards exactly the thing we're talking 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:44.040 about here, which is and then you stop me, You're like, wait, 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:46.480 a minute. I actually feel pretty safe in my life, 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:49.280 but there's no room for that. And so that's kind 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:51.080 of the that's the op ed I'm writing right now 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:55.280 is like guns are a popular victory and an electoral 0:15:55.280 --> 0:16:03.000 liability for the Democrats. 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:06.760 While you're examining guns in that piece, I mean, you 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:09.600 can say the same thing about the economy, right like, 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:12.840 so you know you had and I can't remember the 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:15.880 name of the journalists who coined this you know term, 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:19.520 but he was just like, what Biden is saying in 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:22.960 terms of biden Omics does not match the vibe that 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:26.920 people have about the economy. So he's like, two things 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:29.760 can be true at the same time. The economy can 0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:33.200 in fact be better than it was in you know, 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:39.080 in in December of twenty twenty than it is now. 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:43.280 You know then it is better than you know now, 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:47.200 But like how people are feeling about it is much 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:50.560 more important than like the facts about it. And I 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:53.640 think that that too, is what Republicans and the MAGA 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:58.760 supremacs have been able to use, is that they go 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:01.640 after people's feelings because they're at the end of the day, 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:04.160 that's what rules people, not facts. 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:07.200 And so what should Biden do in that regard. 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:10.080 You know, you know, I talked to. 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:16.080 A not shankro Rosadio on this show, who is like 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:20.000 the queen of messaging, and what she says is that 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:25.320 you like Democrats as a whole, but politicians in general 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:28.400 need to not spend time on what they have done 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:31.399 because no one cares. They need to focus on what 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:34.840 they are doing or going to do, right like, you 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:38.280 need to be more future thinking. So great, you know, 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:40.959 you save the economy from going over a cliff, and 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:43.000 you know, and there are more jobs that have been 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:45.600 added and all of those things. That's fine, But what 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:48.600 you need to talk about is what you are planning 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:51.880 to do that are going to increase people, like, decrease 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:56.040 people's anxiety and increase their possibility that like their lives 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:59.639 can get better. Democrats are too busy always trying to 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:03.320 remind people what they've done, and the fact is you're 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:06.200 never going to remind people care about what's happening right now, 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:07.120 what's in front of them. 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:11.520 Yeah, that's a good point, and again, I just think 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:18.320 that's the risk right now, especially because we have a 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:22.160 somewhat literly candidate heading our ticket, and so the risk 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:25.800 of basically being nostalgic and saying, oh, look what we 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:28.240 did and stuff like that, like that's kind of what 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:31.480 we got right now, you know, And so I think 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:34.160 fighting out of that is a huge is a huge deal. 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:37.760 But the question is, like think of all the times, 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:47.520 like let's talk about Gaza for example, like you know, horrifying, divisive, polarizing, 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:51.480 as we've talked about on here, and now now's the 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:53.600 time to like step forward and say here's our peace 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:55.400 plan or something like that. Like I think you can 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:57.960 rally people because it feels to me and I don't 0:18:58.000 --> 0:18:59.720 know your sense of this is just one example. I mean, 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:03.240 I'm dealing with all these bummer topics, but it was 0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:05.320 kind of like it felt like it was ripping our 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:09.200 coalition apart. And now people are kind of like, man, 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:12.560 how can we how can we be forward looking in 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:15.720 this horrible situation and think about like a world that 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:20.359 comes next that actually brings us back together and promote StageAbility. 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:23.720 So like there's this vacuum right now of like we 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:26.639 we kind of need a peace plan right now, it 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:28.879 feels to me, And this is just one example, like 0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:31.080 there there are there are openings right now to be 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:34.400 that kind of forward locking and so that's my question 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:37.160 for you, is like, what is there a risk of that? 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:38.760 Like then you put all your cards on the table 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:41.920 and it might not happen. Is it that path? 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:45.240 Yeah, that's I mean, yes, yes, it is. Everything is 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:48.359 a risk right now. So it's like, you know, what, 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:50.119 how do how do you want? You know, it's like 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:54.480 when trainers say everything is hard. You know, being overweight 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:57.200 as hard, losing weight as hard. Choose your hard, right, 0:19:57.480 --> 0:20:00.960 like being in a being single as hard, being married 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:01.360 is hard. 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:08.320 Choose your hard like the yeah, your head. Yeah, it's 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:09.840 like you can't pretend. 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:13.160 I think that the lie that Americans have believed and 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:16.440 what we have been afforded through that lie, is that 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:19.920 like life can be easy, right, and like you're gonna 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:23.000 have one year that's just gonna be great all twelve months, 0:20:23.040 --> 0:20:25.320 like and you're gonna have a president that's gonna be 0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:28.520 perfect on every single issue and you're gonna get all No, 0:20:29.000 --> 0:20:32.160 it's not. That's not how life fucking works. So it's 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:35.720 just like, yes, do they have a risk in either 0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:38.080 staying in the past and telling people what they did 0:20:38.119 --> 0:20:42.040 when people currently are still struggling and still feeling hardship, 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:45.640 or do you tell people how you're gonna continue right 0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:49.320 to decrease their anxiety and like you know, and decrease 0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:51.880 their bills at the same time. Whether or not those 0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:55.399 things actually happen is not the point. The point is 0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:59.119 being able to feed people hope, because in the absence 0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:02.160 of it, they will just gobble up all of the fear. 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:06.320 And that is what the Republicans and MAGA supremacs are 0:21:06.400 --> 0:21:07.240 good at pedaling. 0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:15.000 Yeah, I like that. I mean again, it's it's it's 0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:18.440 going to be interesting to see, honestly, how this flays out, right, 0:21:18.520 --> 0:21:21.520 because I think every time Trump says like I'm going 0:21:21.600 --> 0:21:23.919 to be a dictator on day one, to me, it 0:21:23.960 --> 0:21:26.679 makes really palpable for people like to me, that just 0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:29.040 seems like, I know, we're far gone, We're not that 0:21:29.119 --> 0:21:32.719 far gone that I feel like somebody saying I'm going 0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:35.520 to be a dictator on day one, even for Trump, 0:21:35.600 --> 0:21:37.880 like I feel like that, it just makes really present 0:21:38.200 --> 0:21:38.960 the risk. 0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:41.320 That But here's the thing. This is the thing that 0:21:41.359 --> 0:21:44.560 pisses me off about Democrats is that every single time 0:21:44.600 --> 0:21:46.680 that Donald Trump does that that. 0:21:46.520 --> 0:21:47.320 Would be pulled. 0:21:47.359 --> 0:21:49.280 It would be a clip and it would be an 0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:52.560 ad and I would be running it all over social media. 0:21:52.640 --> 0:21:55.200 I would be running it over the airwaves. I would 0:21:55.240 --> 0:21:57.840 be running it like it's nobody's business. It would be 0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:01.679 funneling through TikTok. Just pulled, pull it and have the 0:22:01.760 --> 0:22:04.280 tie the date stamp on it, so that you know 0:22:04.480 --> 0:22:08.080 this isn't from you know this is yesterday, right. I 0:22:08.160 --> 0:22:10.919 just feel like that, to me is the energy. I 0:22:10.920 --> 0:22:16.320 don't think that it's gonna decrease people's frustrations with his age, 0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:19.600 the anger at Gaza, the grief and all of those things, 0:22:19.800 --> 0:22:22.520 but it needs you need That's how you jog people's 0:22:22.560 --> 0:22:24.320 memory of who this person is. 0:22:25.160 --> 0:22:28.920 I mean the flip side. I'm gonna admit something personal, 0:22:29.400 --> 0:22:33.200 which is I watch MSNBC like for hours on end. 0:22:34.480 --> 0:22:37.520 I actually just watch the news like I have it 0:22:37.560 --> 0:22:41.159 on in the background or something like that. I know 0:22:41.480 --> 0:22:45.560 that is really nerdy, but the thing is, like, the 0:22:45.640 --> 0:22:47.959 thing is like if you watch MSNBC, which like you 0:22:48.000 --> 0:22:52.280 and I are on every so often, like the number 0:22:52.280 --> 0:22:55.439 of times they show clips from January sixth, it's like 0:22:55.640 --> 0:22:59.840 eighty five percent of every show is Trump and January. 0:23:00.480 --> 0:23:02.840 And I just my fear is that people kind of 0:23:02.880 --> 0:23:07.000 start to zone out about it, and and like it's 0:23:07.160 --> 0:23:09.400 very rarely like, oh, here's a story about something great 0:23:09.440 --> 0:23:12.320 Biden is doing. Here's the story about whatever. It's like 0:23:12.440 --> 0:23:16.040 January sixth on repeat. And I think the danger of 0:23:16.119 --> 0:23:19.639 like continually reminding or something is people start to zone 0:23:19.640 --> 0:23:22.120 out a bit. So you have to kind yeah, either 0:23:22.480 --> 0:23:26.080 the GOP is good to the temperature or flip it. 0:23:26.119 --> 0:23:28.480 I just I think in a way like January six 0:23:28.600 --> 0:23:32.280