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Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with

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Speaker 1: me your girl, Danielle Moody. Pre recording from the Home Bunker.

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Speaker 2: Folks. You know, I want to start off today.

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Speaker 1: Today is the last pre recorded conversation that I had

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Speaker 1: with our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel, and I

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Speaker 1: just want to say, which I do at the top

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Speaker 1: of our conversation, is just how grateful I am for

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Speaker 1: Jonathan showing up each week, you know, to join me

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Speaker 1: in conversation, to have some really tough conversations, but nonetheless

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Speaker 1: try and figure out a way through write a path forward.

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Speaker 1: Whether we're talking about, you know, the gun issue, whether

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Speaker 1: we're talking about abortion, whether we're talking about our democracy

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Speaker 1: as a whole, mental health, all of these different components.

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Speaker 1: It is wonderful to be in the trenches with somebody

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Speaker 1: like Jonathan. On today's episode, you know, we kind of

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Speaker 1: give a retrospective, like I've been doing with some of

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Speaker 1: our favorite friends on you Know, what we think about

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, how it made us feel, how the

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Speaker 1: year has landed for us, and you know, and kind

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Speaker 1: of how we juxtapose the anxiety that we may feel

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Speaker 1: about the politics right and where we are globally versus

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Speaker 1: you know, how we've been managing through personally and what

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Speaker 1: conflicts that may arise internally around those things. I'm also

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Speaker 1: excited to remind you all that in twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 1: Jonathan and I will be live and in person in

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Speaker 1: New York at green Light Books in Brooklyn, where we'll

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Speaker 1: be in conversation about Jonathan's new book, What Have We Become?

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Speaker 1: And I'm really excited and honored to interview him there.

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Speaker 1: So if you find your way in New York or

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Speaker 1: you're in New York, come out and check us out.

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Speaker 1: We're going to be promoting that appearance on our socials,

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Speaker 1: so you'll be able to get the direct information there.

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Speaker 1: In the meantime, my dear friends, Coming up next, my

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Speaker 1: conversation with our friend, our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel.

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Speaker 1: I cannot believe that this is the last interview that

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Speaker 1: I am having with our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan

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Speaker 1: Metzel for the year for twenty not forever, but as

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Speaker 1: we close out this year and open up a new one. Jonathan, First,

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Speaker 1: you know, I just have to thank you. You are

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Speaker 1: literally the best and have been the most loyal and

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Speaker 1: consistent and brilliant analysts that we have brought on wo KF.

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Speaker 1: Every week you show up and it is just it

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Speaker 1: is is truly given your schedule, all that you do,

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Speaker 1: it's truly an honor to be in conversation with you

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Speaker 1: every week and to count on and to look forward

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Speaker 1: to conversation with you every week. So I just want

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Speaker 1: to say how much I appreciate you.

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Speaker 3: Well, let me say the same. I mean, I it's

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Speaker 3: just this is honestly the highlight of my week. Very

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Speaker 3: often it's kind of like the world is spinning out

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Speaker 3: of control, but Danielle and I will figure it out.

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Speaker 3: So I'm grateful to everybody for listening in on like

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Speaker 3: our mutual therapy every week. But it's really lovely for

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Speaker 3: me too. It's really a nice, consistent, rounding conversation where

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Speaker 3: we we take things that don't make sense and we

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Speaker 3: makes them not manageable maybe, but at least at least

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Speaker 3: I think it's it's very mutual. It's you know, it's

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Speaker 3: it's maybe something to do with me or you, but

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Speaker 3: it's also just the way we talk about things that

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Speaker 3: it feels like it's very much like, Okay, the world's

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Speaker 3: on fire, how are we going to put it out?

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Speaker 1: And I you know, and I just think that I

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Speaker 1: wish that more people, you know, had these types of conversations.

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Speaker 1: I wish that you know, that they were modeled for

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Speaker 1: folks on how to have these conversations because we've had

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Speaker 1: made on you and your character as you roll out

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Speaker 1: your new book. So I just want to get your thoughts.

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Speaker 1: We'll just jump right in with you know. And I

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Speaker 1: did this, I actually did this on democracy. Ish and

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Speaker 1: Waja Hot and I were talking about you, Jonathan, and

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Speaker 1: Like I would know, I you know, I would I

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Speaker 3: And so that that's it. I mean, like we are

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Speaker 3: in today? Or something like that, for our, for our,

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Speaker 3: And so for me, I'm going to have a platform,

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Speaker 1: I love it, and I am so excited for February

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Speaker 1: Jonathan and I will be. That is so one of

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Speaker 1: new year. So super excited about that, and Jonathan, you know,

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Speaker 1: I wish you a happy holidays, rest and relaxation, and

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Speaker 1: we will see you back here ready to hit the

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Speaker 1: ground running.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, thank you, to you to our listeners,

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Speaker 3: to everybody on the show. It's again just my consistent

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Speaker 3: honor to be part of these conversations.

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Speaker 1: That is it for me today, Dear friends on wokef

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Speaker 1: as always, power to the people and to all the people.

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Speaker 2: Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.