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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Cowboys, Let's go. Are

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Speaker 1: much for that. It's time for The Break on Dallas

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Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar

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Speaker 1: Garcia and Derek Eagleton this Wednesday, May fourth, two thousand

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Speaker 1: and twenty two, Seasons eighteen, Episode number seven. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the latest edition of The Break. We are fresh off

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty two NFL Draft, so we've got a

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Speaker 1: full show of opinions and thoughts coming out of that draft,

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Speaker 1: and a lot to talk about a lot of picks

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Speaker 1: for the Cowboys. A lot of different people have different opinions,

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Speaker 1: so we'll get these guys a pain to get them

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Speaker 1: on the red. Tyler Smith taught us that absolutely and

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Speaker 1: it can be on a lot all the way across

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Speaker 1: the spectrum, right from great pick to not so great pick.

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Speaker 1: All right, so let's actually do that. Let's start first

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Speaker 1: with Tyler Smith. He was the Cowboys first round pick,

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Speaker 1: number twenty four overall. Obviously, there's some people out there,

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Speaker 1: I think it was a reach. Others think it was

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Speaker 1: a great pick. Let's go around the table. What were

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Speaker 1: your thoughts on the first pick? Nic, We'll start with

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Speaker 1: you today. I thought it was the It filled their

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Speaker 1: need and it was their best player on their board

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Speaker 1: to fill a need. So I think when that happened,

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Speaker 1: I mean they maybe they would have taken other guards,

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Speaker 1: I think this is what I wrote yesterday. I think

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Speaker 1: and plays just like Connor Williams. If he's better than that,

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Speaker 1: it's a really good guard. I think it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a good pick. If he eventually goes to tackle, I

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Speaker 1: think it's a great pick. Well, you know, my initial

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Speaker 1: thought was like who is this guy? You know, I'm

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Speaker 1: having to look up pictures, look up for highlights and

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Speaker 1: put all this content out, and when you're having a

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Speaker 1: hard time finding anything content wise, you're like, Okay, well

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Speaker 1: then he's not that great. That's what your initial assumption is.

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Speaker 1: So after looking more, like reading more about him, looking

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Speaker 1: at footage and all that. One of the things that

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Speaker 1: I think most people like at this point is his size,

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Speaker 1: how big he is, how heavy he is. He has

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Speaker 1: the size that they kind of need in the old line.

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Speaker 1: One of my biggest concerns, and it's been brought up

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Speaker 1: well you can teach that, you can improve that. But

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Speaker 1: when you look at the track wrecker so far that

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Speaker 1: you've had players like Connor Williams, a veteran guy, You've

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Speaker 1: So when it's really like a problem on its own here,

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Speaker 1: it makes me wonder how he's actually going to be

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Speaker 1: I think what I've settled on is I believe two

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Speaker 1: perfectly blunt, like he was not a name that we

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Speaker 1: see that some of these are like flags. Of domination,

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Speaker 1: Like it's it's not a guy reaching for somebody that

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Speaker 1: tell me where that's a penalty. Tyron Smith has just

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, second segment of The Break. Life in the

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Speaker 1: SWBC Morgage studios at the Star. We're talking about the

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Speaker 1: two twenty two draft Cowboys just finished. Let's get to

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Speaker 1: the second round pick. Sam Williams he is an age.

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Speaker 1: He was the number fifty six pick. Overall thoughts on

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Speaker 1: the pick, Let's start with you, David. I keep saying it,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sorry if I'm ever can record if you

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Speaker 1: listen to the Draft show, but this, it just reminds

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Speaker 1: me of the DeMarcus Lawrence pick. To be honest with you,

466
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Speaker 1: and I know they didn't trade up to get him,

467
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Speaker 1: but I think that they identified him as one of

468
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Speaker 1: a very small number of edges that can do that

469
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Speaker 1: can bend the way they want, plays with the explosiveness

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Speaker 1: they want. Is that the old miss Sack record? Um,

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Speaker 1: hell like go? I mean that. The cool thing about

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Speaker 1: Sam Williams is you can go find I heard like

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Speaker 1: he wants maybe he wants to be called D. I

474
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Speaker 1: feel like I've heard that on the internet. I need

475
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Speaker 1: to do some homework on that D. His mental name

476
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Speaker 1: is de Eric. I believe Derek de Eric. I think

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Speaker 1: I need to. I don't know he'll be let's go,

478
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Speaker 1: he'll be here next week and I'm sure he'll talk

479
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Speaker 1: about it. But maybe maybe he wants to be called D. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: D Williams. That's I believe basketball, all right, D Brown

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Speaker 1: Billy will Billy d Williams, Lando Calrissian maybe the ft

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Speaker 1: with you you uh, Any, I'm sorry, I always do

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Speaker 1: that way. You'll know Lando. Huh, you'll know Lando, And

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Listeners. Um, they're fine. Um, it's better than

485
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Speaker 1: talk about that than talk about like the issues with

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Speaker 1: this guy. Well, that's the thing we're gonna get to that.

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Speaker 1: Tell me, what do you think of him as a player.

488
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Speaker 1: You can go find tape of him holding his own

489
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Speaker 1: and kicking ass against the guys that got drafted at

490
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Speaker 1: the top of this draft, like Evan Neil and Charles Cross.

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Speaker 1: It's a very it's a very typical cowboys pick. Like

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's better than the Cavon Thibodeaus and

493
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Speaker 1: Aidan Hutchinson's, but like he's on the short list of

494
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Speaker 1: like the four to six guys that can do that.

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Speaker 1: We're still left on the board at the time that

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Speaker 1: they picked. Or was it on a situation where if

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Speaker 1: you're gonna get one of those guys, this is your

498
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Speaker 1: last chance? And to nixt point, uh, he was probably

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Speaker 1: still available for a reason that wasn't about how well

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Speaker 1: he bends the corner. Um. You said to Marcus Lawrence,

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Speaker 1: I think Randy Gregory is also a guy you can

502
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Speaker 1: compare him to in this pick because they which I

503
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Speaker 1: didn't mean to say, like DeMarcus fell for character concerns.

504
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Speaker 1: I just like they went up and got him aggressively

505
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Speaker 1: because they were like, this is the last guy we

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Speaker 1: got to get him, or else we're not getting an

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Speaker 1: edge rusher. And that's how they felt about this as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I think the reason why he fell is for

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Speaker 1: the same reason maybe as Randy Gregory. It's just they're

510
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Speaker 1: just so teams are probably so concerned about his his

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Speaker 1: off the field uh issues that he's had, and there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of them, and also his his character is

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Speaker 1: demeanor is you know, just there's a lot of things

514
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Speaker 1: about him that are that are scary. The tape has

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Speaker 1: to be really really good to offset that. I guess

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Speaker 1: y'all are looking at tape. Sorry, yeah, I'm actually looking

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Speaker 1: at him. He's got some really good highlights. Yeah, I

518
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Speaker 1: mean you watch him. No, that's Liberty. I got this

519
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Speaker 1: for Lamar. Maybe he's gonna have a few from that game. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what are you saying about Liberty? It ain't It ain't Alabama. Well,

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Speaker 1: my initial again, I always like to go from my

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Speaker 1: initial thought to where I'm at now. My initial thought

523
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Speaker 1: was like, what's up with these second round picks that

524
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Speaker 1: the Cowboys always make? That with them they bring in

525
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Speaker 1: some kind of issue, whether it's injury related or off

526
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Speaker 1: the field related. Now I decided to put that aside

527
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Speaker 1: after listening to the press conference and say, okay, well,

528
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Speaker 1: they clearly say that they've done their investigation. They've talked

529
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Speaker 1: to many other people to get their input on this

530
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Speaker 1: guy's demeanor, personality, and him as a person. So they've

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Speaker 1: done their homework and felt confident enough to bring in

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Speaker 1: bringing him here to the building. But watching him as

533
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Speaker 1: a player and watching highlights and all that, he looks

534
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Speaker 1: like he's a pretty good player. He has the size,

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Speaker 1: he has the build for it, he looks and good

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Speaker 1: thing we have numbers that's gonna defferent shape players and

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Speaker 1: all that and their names. Because he has a similarity

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Speaker 1: face wise with Mica Parsons, I don't know if you

539
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Speaker 1: kind of actually think, yes, some of a build, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the build too, believe in the face. I saw this thing.

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Speaker 1: I'm scrolling down and I'm like, why is Mica wearing

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Speaker 1: a fifty two at fifty four number? Jersey, and that

543
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 1: was Sam just posting the number that he's gonna be wearing.

544
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Speaker 1: But yeah, physically he looks like he's pretty good. So

545
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Speaker 1: I'm excited to actually see him play and see what

546
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Speaker 1: he can do here because as a player, he looks

547
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Speaker 1: like he definitely has talent. The other thing, too, is

548
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Speaker 1: old Miss asked him to do a lot of dirty work,

549
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Speaker 1: Like he gave an interview recently where he talked about

550
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Speaker 1: like they had him playing a four inside technique where

551
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Speaker 1: you're like head up on a tackle or in between

552
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Speaker 1: the tackle and guard more so than like playing out wide,

553
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Speaker 1: which not that it affects the Cowboys, but Trayvon Walker

554
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Speaker 1: out of George is a very similar story where Georgia

555
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,719
Speaker 1: just asked him to do a lot of stuff as

556
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Speaker 1: an edge setter and a rundefender, so he did. He

557
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 1: definitely did do some of that stuff. But Sam Williams,

558
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Speaker 1: he did more than just play the edge and just

559
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Speaker 1: go after the quarterback. So I think there's even more

560
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: that you could probably tap into purely from a football standpoint,

561
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Speaker 1: I think it's a very good pick. But one year

562
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 1: after doing something very similar and you already sort of

563
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: have misgivings about it. You know, it's totally fair to

564
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: question that logic because I think Nick, you and I

565
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 1: have talked about it. I mean, I think we all

566
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Speaker 1: liked Randy as a person and he did do some

567
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Speaker 1: amazing things. But like, over the course of seven years,

568
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Speaker 1: did you get your bang for the buck in terms

569
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Speaker 1: of how often he was on the field? Probably not,

570
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Speaker 1: Jalen Smith, did it work out the way you wanted

571
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Speaker 1: it to? Definitely not? Kelvin Joseph, You're already feeling not

572
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: wonderful about it, and now this and like, for as

573
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Speaker 1: smart as they feel when they do this stuff, the

574
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: return on investment hasn't been great. Has Let me ask

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Speaker 1: you guys this question, though, is this an across the

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Speaker 1: league thing? Because I would think for a lot of

577
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Speaker 1: teams the second round is about guys, we have first

578
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Speaker 1: round potential, but for whatever reason in the second round,

579
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Speaker 1: and that can be for off the field, that can

580
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Speaker 1: be for injury concerns like that would seem to me

581
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Speaker 1: like that would be across the league a trend that

582
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Speaker 1: a lot of teams do. Is that the case? And

583
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 1: maybe just because we cover the Cowboys, that's what we

584
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: see from the Cowboys, But really this is every team

585
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Speaker 1: that deals with this. I think it depends. I mean

586
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: there's that many guys that have character issues like that

587
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Speaker 1: at or injury issues or whatever it is. Right, Yeah, again,

588
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,479
Speaker 1: I say it all the time. It's about stealing value,

589
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: and that's what they're trying to do. They try to

590
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Speaker 1: steal the value of a really good player that doesn't

591
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Speaker 1: look like a second round pick. But there's probably half

592
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Speaker 1: the league that's like, we're not messing with this guy.

593
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Speaker 1: And honestly, if you read some of the stuff from

594
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Speaker 1: their reports, from their internal reports, you would have never

595
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Speaker 1: drafted him. So like the Cowboys, they are fully aware

596
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Speaker 1: of everything. They're just like, we feel like he can

597
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: be a better player than that. What would you say

598
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Speaker 1: when you look at it all those players that have

599
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: come in with some kind of issues and other Cowboys

600
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Speaker 1: decided to take a risk and bet on them, what

601
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Speaker 1: would you say, be like the percentage success rate of

602
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: situations like this? I just think I laid out all

603
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Speaker 1: the ones that that have happened since I've been here, right,

604
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 1: I mean since you've been here? Yeah? Well, I mean

605
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Speaker 1: are we being are we being a little bit? Like

606
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Speaker 1: if you go back and look the last several second

607
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Speaker 1: round picks. Not all of them fit in that category.

608
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Speaker 1: Most of them don't fit in that category of either

609
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Speaker 1: injured or off the field concerns. Yeah, Kelvin Joseph, Treyvon Diggs,

610
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Speaker 1: Triston Hill, Kelvin Joseph does right, Yes, Yeah, Okay, I'm

611
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Speaker 1: naming all the second round picks, and I'm like, not

612
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Speaker 1: all of them fall in that category. You know, Tristan Hill,

613
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Speaker 1: Connor Williams, Like, these are not guys that you that

614
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Speaker 1: you say fell for a reason other than just they

615
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Speaker 1: were second round pick. I want to I want to

616
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Speaker 1: be clear. Tristan came with no like legal concerns, but

617
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: there were definitely questions about his maturity and his coachability,

618
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Speaker 1: which again which Rod Marinelli made a big deal about,

619
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Speaker 1: like I'll get it out of him. But is that

620
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Speaker 1: most like? Is that a lot of second round picks

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Speaker 1: to where there are reasons why they're in a second

622
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Speaker 1: round and it may not be because of play. It

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Speaker 1: maybe because there's another thing that's in their character that's

624
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Speaker 1: just not right. Every second round pick there is a

625
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: reason why they're not a first round pick. And you

626
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Speaker 1: could say that pretty much about every round, two or

627
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Speaker 1: three rounds and everybody you just named, I mean Trey

628
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Speaker 1: Von Diggs. I mean, he's not going to be able

629
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Speaker 1: to cover that well because all of his guys around

630
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Speaker 1: him are making the plays at Alabama. He's not the

631
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Speaker 1: one really making it plays, okay, which is wrong. I mean,

632
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: say Connor Williams, He's gonna have to make this transition

633
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Speaker 1: to guard and Canny do it. So there's a reason

634
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,959
Speaker 1: why every second round pick. And some of it's off

635
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: the field, some of its stuff. That's my point. You're

636
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: always trying to steal value. You know, you're just thinking

637
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: I can handle it. But I think I mean the Cowboys.

638
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: So again, in the time I've been here, Jalen is

639
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Speaker 1: probably the biggest one. People just didn't know if he

640
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: was going to play again. Kelvin no legal issues, but

641
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: sort of what we talked about it just like this

642
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: is a guy that you never know when you're gonna yeah,

643
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna get you might get a phone call about

644
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: this guy. Kelvin Yeah, or sam Is or Kelvin Kelvin

645
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: oh Kell Yeah. And then in between that, Um, who

646
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: am I blanking on me? R Randy? Yeah, Randy. I

647
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: would put two behind Jalen and then how would you

648
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: put Sam. I don't know, but those those are the four.

649
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: Those are the four. Yeah. In the last how many years?

650
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: Greg Gregory was what eight years? Seven years ago? Yeah,

651
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: I mean before that, I just know, was it twenty eleven?

652
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: I mean it was like Bruce Carter, you know, the

653
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: guy that had torn acl and Sean counts as a hit. Yeah,

654
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: although Sean was not like the way they're structured and

655
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: the way they do it, like, Sean's not a Will

656
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: guy if you want to break it up into eras

657
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: or whatever, like Will didn't run that draft. Um. Yeah, yeah,

658
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: I mean no, they've they've hit. Sean's definitely a hit

659
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: in my book. Yeah, no, in anybody's book, he's a hit. Um.

660
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, just recently it hasn't worked out as well

661
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: as you would you would have hoped, considering how willing

662
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: they are to do it. And obviously the story is

663
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: still to be written on Sam's still to be written

664
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: on Kelvin Joseph, Like, we don't know about them just yet. Obviously,

665
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: you know there are things that you that you're concerned about,

666
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: but they hasn't been written yet. There were there were

667
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: off field character concerns about Micah and he has been

668
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: nothing like, nothing of that sort has really followed him

669
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: in his NFL career at this point. He's been a

670
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: model NFL player as far as I'm aware. All Right,

671
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: let's move on. Let's go to the third round. A

672
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: pick that I think across the board everywhere I've looked

673
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: and seen people writing or talking about the Cowboys draft,

674
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: they point to this pick as one of the best,

675
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: if not the best value pick that the Cowboys got.

676
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: At the eighty eighth overall pick, they get Jalen Tilbert,

677
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: wide receiver out of South Alabama. What are your thoughts

678
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: on that pick? Nicholas start with you. I think that,

679
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: you know, he was probably the guy that they had,

680
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: you know, rated as their best receiver at the time

681
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: and a player that wanted to draft in the second round. Um,

682
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: you know, Jerry Jerry wins you know some of these debates,

683
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: and I think he won that one with Sam Williams. Um.

684
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: But but Tober was on their board for the second round,

685
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: so give him the third. I mean, I think that

686
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: they're really excited about that, uh, small, smaller school guy,

687
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: but showed, you know, showed up against you know, some

688
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: of the better competition at the Senior Bowl that also

689
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: against like Tennessee. That's what you're looking for. Yeah, I

690
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: feel that this guy is um. He's gonna be the

691
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: player that I feel is going to be able to

692
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: give you the most out of all the draft picks

693
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: that the Cowbi see liked it, So I'm excited to

694
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: see him. He has talent. He based on his position

695
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: and the current situations that the Cowbis are dealing with

696
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: at the wide receiver, He's the one that that's gonna

697
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: be able to contribute right away and I think he

698
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: will do a good enough job for it to turn

699
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: out well at least this year. So I'm excited to

700
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: see him. And that's my favorite one, just as most

701
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: people that he has been the favorite one in this draft.

702
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: There were important voices in the war room that wanted

703
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: to take him at fifty six, like meaningful people that

704
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:12,720
Speaker 1: thought it was a good idea. He's yeah, he's versatile.

705
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: I just I love his skill set. I think I

706
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: think he's the most ready made player of anyone they drafted.

707
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's going to take the league over,

708
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: but I expect him to be a starter. Michael Gallup

709
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 1: caught thirty three balls for five hundred and something yards

710
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: as a rookie. I think he's capable of that type

711
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: of contribution right away. So let me ask you, I

712
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: want to further that question on the fact of him

713
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: being NFL ready. Is he NFL ready enough to be

714
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 1: able to start the season contributing maybe even more than

715
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: will be will be expected of him in the second

716
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: half of the season due to the fact that you're

717
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: probably not gonna have Michael Gallop. Michael Gallup did it

718
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: as a rookie because they cut Deaz and they signed

719
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys that weren't long term answers. Yeah,

720
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: I mean I think he can do something. I think

721
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: he'll be in the starting lineup week one. I mean

722
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: guessing just of course, we can always be wrong, but

723
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: I think so. Yeah. I mean we'll see how much

724
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: how you know, quickly he picks it up, But I

725
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 1: think so. I mean, you know, they they this is

726
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: a guy that they had targeted, they wanted and you know,

727
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: they wanted Dak to call him to see, you know,

728
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: and that let them kind of create some chemistry, which

729
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: I think, you know, they were able to do that.

730
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: So that's a good start, and we'll see I mean

731
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: they don't have a lot of options at receiver. I

732
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 1: mean it's gonna be CD and James Washington and you know,

733
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: I'm talking about a training camp, and he'll get a

734
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: lot of reps. If it's not told her, it'll be Noah,

735
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: or we throw Jake Ferguson in there and just go

736
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: twelve personnel all day. Let's go to Jake Ferguson. He

737
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: was a fourth round pick, number twenty nine overall tight end.

738
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: Do you think he can immediately come in and maybe

739
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: make them kind of flip their model from last year

740
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,479
Speaker 1: they were mostly an eleven team to maybe going back

741
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: to some of the stuff when Jason was here where

742
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: they did a lot more twelve. Do you think that's

743
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: possible for him in his rookie year. I hope he

744
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: doesn't flip their philosophy as a team. I think receiver

745
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: is still a strength of vault of this when it's

746
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,240
Speaker 1: all said and done. But I mean early in the season,

747
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: let's say, before Gallup is back. I'll be disappointed if

748
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 1: he doesn't win the backup job, and I don't know

749
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: if he will. But again, like Nick said this about

750
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: Tyler Smith, like I don't care what they say, I

751
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: think they tilted their board toward their needs, and that's

752
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: fine if you're right, But it was I think it

753
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 1: was Jake Ferguson at one twenty nine all day. Once

754
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: some of the other tight ends got taken. I think

755
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: they had interest in Trey McBride at fifty six. He

756
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: got taken before they picked anyway, so it didn't matter.

757
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: They really liked Kadotton out of Washington. He was the

758
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: first pick of the fourth round, and like, from that

759
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: point on, I think they were like, this is our guy.

760
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: It's Jake Ferguson, so to target him and really like,

761
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: I don't even think they debated that pick the way

762
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: that they debated the Sam Williams pick or whatever. And

763
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: so yeah, that puts a certain degree of expectation that

764
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: he can play meaningful snaps as a rookie. Was that

765
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: also maybe because I like, as you said in the

766
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,439
Speaker 1: second round with Sam Williams, was it at a point

767
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: in the draft where all those tight ends that they liked,

768
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: we're starting to come off the board and they were

769
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: down to, hey, we gotta get this guy here because

770
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: we've already missed on two others that we really liked,

771
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: and that's why there wasn't a debate. Maybe yeah, I

772
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 1: think there was a some talk about trading back into

773
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: the third round to get to getting a guy maybe

774
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: Oden or Rucker, and then Rucker went off the board

775
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: and then Otten went early in the fourth on the

776
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: next day, So uh yeah, at that point you have

777
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 1: to get you know, you get what you want. But

778
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: but they you know, the thing about it is is

779
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 1: what they need. That backup tight end has to be

780
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: a blocker. I mean, and he has to be a

781
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,919
Speaker 1: guy you could play on the line. And I would

782
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: hope being at Wisconsin, I would hope that that that's

783
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: you know, they run the ball a lot. He gets

784
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: on the field. It's a first team All Big Ten.

785
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: So if your first team All Big Ten, you're obviously

786
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: getting your stats, but you're on the field a lot

787
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 1: because they're running the football. So he's doing that. We're

788
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: showing blocking. Yeah no, we're just we're not showing the blocking,

789
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: but we're showing him kind of catching passes. But that

790
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: was obviously pretty good. Yeah. That was actually the first

791
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: thing I thought about with any tight end prospect was

792
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: I'm Kenny block because that's been the thing I think

793
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: they've missed more than anything else at the tight end position,

794
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: probably going back to when Martellis Bennett was here. Like,

795
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: I don't know that they've had a really good blocking

796
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 1: tight end in a long time, and I really think

797
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: that's necessary for them. They're gonna get their running game going.

798
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 1: Colleges don't put out blocking tight ends the way that

799
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: they used to, but it's like fullbacks, right. If I'm

800
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: looking for something to be optimistic about, this, dude's coming

801
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: out of one of the like three or four programs

802
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,399
Speaker 1: that really still does ask their tight ends to do that.

803
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: I mean Wisconsin Power Eye run the ball down their throats.

804
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: So again, like I hate to say, Ready made about

805
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: a fourth round pick, but I would hope he knows

806
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: how to do a lot of the stuff that they

807
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: would ask of him as the second tight end. And

808
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: you're not asking to tight end to be a dominating blocker.

809
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: You're asking a tight end to be a getting the

810
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: way blocker. Are willing getting the way blocker? Who I

811
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: would love it if position his body? Yeah, But I

812
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 1: just don't think that's like you said, they're not creating

813
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: those guys. They're not developing those guys in college. These

814
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 1: days buying large. If you can get someone who's willing

815
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: and knows how to position his body in the right

816
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: way to just create creases and to be able to

817
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: maintain where they are, I think that that's all you

818
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: really need. You don't need somebody's getting pancakes. Some of

819
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: the scouting reports that I've read, I mean, some of

820
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: the things that they highlighted on there was just that

821
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 1: he's a decent, pretty good blocker. And after I started

822
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: watching some of the highlights too. He might not be

823
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: the guy that just holds up the guy there forever

824
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: or anything like that, but he will buy you those

825
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: extra seconds that you might definitely need on a play.

826
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 1: So at least that's a positive and something to look

827
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: forward to this year at the tight end position, I'm

828
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: just watching him there. Absolutely, he has a good size

829
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: to got some Witten to him at the end. I'm

830
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 1: talking about his career Witten in the way that like

831
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of there's not a lot of

832
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: like yards after the contact, you know what I mean,

833
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: Like he's not breaking a lot of tackles kind of

834
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 1: goes down right then, and his blocking is kind of

835
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 1: a in the way type of blocker but I mean,

836
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: you know, that's not the that's not the worst comparison

837
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: you could have. Well, yeah, I didn't think Jason was

838
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: a great blocker, but at the height of his career,

839
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: I thought he was a very effective blocker. Um, And

840
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: if you can get again, if you can get somebody

841
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: who's effective at it, that's really the key. I bet

842
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: I bet he probably gets other than Tyler Smith, I

843
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: bet he probably gets the most snaps of anybody on

844
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: the tiber. That'll be close. That'll be close. And if

845
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: Tilbert helps you on special teams like a punt returner,

846
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: then maybe maybe Tilbur and then Devin Harper. I think

847
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: it's also gonna get a lot of snaps. All Right,

848
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: we're gonna take our final break. We're gonna come back.

849
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about those last few picks Bland, Clark, Ridgeway,

850
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 1: and Harper. Uh and then just kind of get some

851
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: overall thoughts on the draft from these guys when we

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Speaker 1: Welcome Back. Final segment of the break left in s

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Speaker 1: WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star, and we got to

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Speaker 1: the first of four or fifth round picks when we

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Speaker 1: talked about Matt we let's go, let's talk about those

898
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: other three picks, and none of them to Dave Chagrin

899
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: was a kicker. But my chagrin went out the window

900
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: when I saw what Cleveland did. I mean, they drafted

901
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: kid York ahead of Jake Ferguson. I'm fourth rounds too

902
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: soon for me. I just yea, So I felt okay

903
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: about that, and then the rest of them fell out

904
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: of the draft. I still would have liked them to

905
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,919
Speaker 1: get one. Just you know, I would have drafted York.

906
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: I mean, how can you argue with the strategy when

907
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 1: they had their I mean, Dicker went. Dicker went an

908
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: undrafted free agency like everybody else. You didn't get it.

909
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: You didn't get him. I don't know if they would try.

910
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: I mean they didn't want yea, maybe they didn't want

911
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: to get him. Maybe they want to try. I heard

912
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: I would have loved to have him get some kicker

913
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: to bring just to compete. They brought in one that

914
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: was undrafted, did the Gary Bay. I'm not telling you.

915
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: I'm not telling you that he's the truth or that

916
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: you have to trust it. But I heard reliably that

917
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: Jonathan Garabay is the one that John Fossil wanted, Like,

918
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: that's the guy he liked. Just telling you, I'm just

919
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: telling you, he's just telling you. Sixteen fifteen out of

920
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 1: sixteen inside of fifty perfect inside of fifty fifteen, six

921
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: fifteen out of sixteen on the season, fourteen out of

922
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: fourteen inside of fifty right, and he hit a sixty

923
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: two yarder to win the game. And have you ever

924
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Speaker 1: been to Lobbick No, Twindy, don't think I ever will Swindy.

925
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 1: I heard Fossil went to lobby You loved him. Yeah,

926
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Speaker 1: that'sn't worked out again? Six or two yards to win

927
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Speaker 1: the gate. Look, look, I'm four and a half and

928
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Speaker 1: you know to win it. Yeah, I'm not gonna argue that.

929
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: I mean, but but I will say he's only I

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00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 1: want him my guy. Okay, your guy, Your guy went

931
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Speaker 1: to a team that has a Pro Bowl kicker. I

932
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: know understand that kicking competitions are weird. Wondering why and

933
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: that that said to me, the Cowboys and a lot

934
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: of other teams probably weren't trying to get him, because

935
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Speaker 1: if you go somewhere like that, you're probably like, yeah,

936
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Speaker 1: I'm probably not gonna make the team. But it's weird

937
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: with kickers though, like because you're even when you're on

938
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: another team, you're auditioning for another team's job, and they

939
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: have Matt Gay he's a pro bowler, Dicker's probably gonna

940
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: get a lot of run in the preseason, and if

941
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: he does a good job, he could wind up somewhere else.

942
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: Like it seems counterintuitive, but I I sort of get

943
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: it in a weird way. I just think I would

944
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: have thought that he would try to look for a

945
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: team with there's at least less of a of a

946
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: like dominant guy there, and then you might have a

947
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: chance of not having to go audition for somebody else.

948
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: You literally stay where you are. But who knows, I mean,

949
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: that might have been the only opportunity he had. Who knows.

950
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,720
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, like, it's it's weird, man, because

951
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: a great example is Mattterraza, the San Diego State punter.

952
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,399
Speaker 1: People call him punk God. Yeah, he was the third

953
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: punter drafted and outsiders are like, what the hell's going on?

954
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: Why doesn't anybody want this guy? And meanwhile the NFL

955
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,399
Speaker 1: is like, we're good. They're like, he's got a great leg,

956
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 1: that's awesome. He outkicks his coverage all the time. His

957
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,919
Speaker 1: directional punting isn't amazing. We like these other guys better

958
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 1: because they do what we ask him to. I don't

959
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: give a damn if you punt it ninety yards. If

960
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: you give the punt returner fifteen yards of free space

961
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,720
Speaker 1: to return the ball, yeah, he's wild thing. And so

962
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: you know, maybe it could be a similar situation with

963
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: a guy like Dicker, where the John Fossils of the

964
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: world are like, I don't like his mechanics. I like

965
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: this other guy better. Not saying they're right, ye, not

966
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 1: saying they're right. All right, let's talk about these three

967
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: fifth round picks. You got Deron Bland of cornerback. You've

968
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: got Damon Clark, a linebacker that a lot of people

969
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 1: really love the pick. And you got John Ridgeway, who

970
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: dave I just the way y'all were going on on

971
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: the draft show, like I was like, y'all are in

972
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: love with this dude, because his interview was really good.

973
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: If you hadn't heard, he probably ought to go back

974
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,399
Speaker 1: and listen to a good interview. Talk to me about

975
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: those fifth round picks. I didn't you know, I'm on

976
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,479
Speaker 1: the Draft show, but I'm very open about the fact,

977
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: like I don't watch five hundred players. I didn't know

978
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: anything about John Ridgeway other than that he went to

979
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: Arkansas and was a big guy and he got on

980
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: the with us. He blew my socks off. Man. He's

981
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: just he's like, you think I played with an edge

982
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: in college, Wait till I'm in the league. And then

983
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: I was like, how do you like, you know, tell

984
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: us a little bit about your game. He's like, I'm

985
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: just trying to get out there and break some necks

986
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: and hit some people. I was like, okay, well, if

987
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: you play like you talk, this is awesome. Like I

988
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: don't not only like I'm out because two picks ago,

989
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: we just drafted a guy neck injuries and y'all both

990
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: were at the Senior Bowl. So what was going on?

991
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: Yeah for Senior Bowl? Yeah, yeah, this guy. Nick? You,

992
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: I mean, you obviously watched Arkansas a lot of Arkansaft football.

993
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: What did you think of Ridgeway four or five players

994
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: that I remember. I mean, something's got to give here,

995
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: you know, he's not that good of a player or

996
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: Arkansas's defensive line coaches needed to be playing this guy

997
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: a little bit more. He didn't stand out too much

998
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: much to me. And like you said, watch every game,

999
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: there's a few plays here and there. But then by

1000
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: the way, they were drafted for traits. When they get

1001
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: to this point, it's not so much about necessarily production

1002
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 1: as much as traits. Isn't this dominant player in college

1003
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: that Yeah, we're watching some plates. I do remember game

1004
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: in Texas, Yeah, I do remember. I remember that this

1005
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: was his first game he played. They won, Oh they won? Yeah, yeah,

1006
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 1: But I mean, you know he plays definitely with the nattitude.

1007
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: Yeah he has at same play, same play, But that's okay.

1008
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: I remember this was because of the first game of

1009
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: the season, he had like a pendicitis, so he didn't play.

1010
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: So everybody, you know, was like, there's Ridgeway, there's Ridgeway.

1011
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: You know, this is the first game he'd play. He

1012
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: was a transfer from Western Illinois, one of the Illinois

1013
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:47,399
Speaker 1: Southern Illinois maybe yeah, he got one in every direction. Yep, yeah.

1014
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: So the east one was from Romo. The west one

1015
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: was a guy named we drafted the third round pick,

1016
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: remember him, Western Illinois linebacker Illinois State. I'm sorry, Illinois

1017
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 1: State got six six three twenty. I don't. We didn't

1018
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,760
Speaker 1: talk about that at the jump, but pretty much everybody

1019
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 1: they drafted as a big boy. Yeah, and in a

1020
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 1: lot of cases with a nasty attitude, which I think

1021
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: was done on on design. Yeah. Absolutely, And we talked.

1022
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 1: We talked about that weeks leading up to the draft

1023
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 1: that there was a lot of thoughts around this building

1024
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 1: that they needed to get tougher. You need to get

1025
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: a little mean or get a little more attitude and uh.

1026
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: And so it wasn't a shock when when you started

1027
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: reading about all the guys they were drafting and in

1028
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: their bios it said things like considered to be a

1029
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: mean player. Like I think that was by design. I

1030
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,720
Speaker 1: think cowboys were looking for a little meanness, a little toughness.

1031
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: Um good rest itself. Oh no, was he gonna say

1032
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: When he gets up and does his little like celebration thing,

1033
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 1: it reminds me of Antone Woods. It's funny it is

1034
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: he does the exact same thing like he has but

1035
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 1: I was gonna say one thing that this surprised me.

1036
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: I guess I shouldn't have been expecting that, but for

1037
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: some reason, I was a little surprised to see how

1038
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: many players they drafted on the defensive side of the ball,

1039
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: like I was expecting to see a more on the offense.

1040
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: But also surprising was the fact that they did not

1041
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 1: make any traits We've been talking about them trading up

1042
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: or doing whatever. They kept all their picks, all of

1043
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 1: their positions overall picks, and I think they had a

1044
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 1: few targets in mind in a few spots, and those

1045
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,439
Speaker 1: didn't materialize, like tight End in the third round being

1046
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: one of them. I think the guys that they really

1047
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: liked didn't fall far enough the first round. Prospects that

1048
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: they were really in love with the play had opportunity

1049
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 1: to trade back in the first round. That was an

1050
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 1: interesting one, and mainly because of the player that the

1051
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: team was trying to get up to get in Tennessee,

1052
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 1: was trying to get Tyler Smith. Yea, so yeah, And

1053
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: then I think I'm like fighting off a sneeze. I'm sorry,

1054
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:51,720
Speaker 1: when you get to this point where you have five

1055
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 1: or four fifth round picks, excuse me, Steven said, it

1056
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: is like their grades were really well favored starting in

1057
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 1: like the fourth round going through there, and I think

1058
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: they were just like, why not pick four of these

1059
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: guys that we have really good grades on and hopefully

1060
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: we'll hit on at least a couple of them. Which

1061
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: I don't mind that strategy at all. That's why I

1062
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: don't have super strong opinions about any of the Day

1063
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: three guys, because you're just throwing darts, and the more

1064
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: picks you make, I think the more likely it is

1065
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: one of them will be a good player. Your guy.

1066
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: To Moan Clark, they got in the fifth round one

1067
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy sixth overall in this tape that Dean Clark. Oh, yeah,

1068
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: no doubt, because the thing about him is everybody, I

1069
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: think across the board everybody believes this guy's way better

1070
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 1: than a fifth round pick. But because he had to

1071
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: have surgery on his spine here back in March, I

1072
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,280
Speaker 1: think there are a lot of teams had obviously allowed

1073
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: him to slide down their board. Do you think this

1074
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 1: was a good investment for the Cowboys? I think from

1075
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: a value standpoint that this is the best pick that

1076
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: they made. Just because there's no risk. I mean, if

1077
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 1: this doesn't work out, it's a fifth round pick, it's

1078
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,720
Speaker 1: go look at their history with fifth round picks. It's fine,

1079
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 1: But this guy should have gone in the top one hundred.

1080
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: I think I think, if healthy, he would have been

1081
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: drafted higher than Jabril Cox was last year. Um, so

1082
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: give me. I know everybody says, like, you know, top

1083
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 1: one hundred. So is this a guy that could have

1084
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 1: been a late first round? Is he a guy that's

1085
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: more like a second round? Is this a guy that's

1086
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: really more a third round? I peg his range somewhere

1087
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: between fifty and eighty, and there's I mean, teams feel

1088
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 1: differently about different guys. There's no real way to know

1089
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: late second, early third, second or third, Yeah, second or

1090
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: third round pick. I really believe that he's a tackling machine.

1091
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,399
Speaker 1: He had one hundred and thirty five tackles last year.

1092
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 1: He's that what he does best. Yes, he does like

1093
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: I mean, he doesn't miss tackles or he didn't. The

1094
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: funny which, just as a biased LSU fan, it was

1095
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 1: so much fun watching his growth because most guys that

1096
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: come into LSU are highly recruited and through two oh

1097
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 1: they just are I mean, it's the same thing at

1098
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: Texas And he didn't really hit that ceiling his first

1099
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 1: like three years, and you were like, Okay, I guess

1100
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: this Damon Clark is just a guy. And then in

1101
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:05,320
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one he just hit his stride and became

1102
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 1: that dude. Uh there's some pass rush element to his game.

1103
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: He had six sacks last year. He literally he sacked

1104
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 1: there in him twice to win the game. Last year,

1105
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: two plays in a row. He's like, I'm ending this game.

1106
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 1: I don't care. I'm going to get this guy. Um.

1107
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 1: Coverage is not his forte but he's not. But like, yeah, yeah,

1108
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 1: yeah he did do this down the field. No, I

1109
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 1: mean he's just an all around good play from what

1110
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: I see from here. His awareness is really off the chart.

1111
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: I mean like he recognizes where the play is going

1112
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 1: to be and he goes and gets it. No, yeah,

1113
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: coverage is not his forte as he makes an interception

1114
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 1: twenty five yards down field. But but I guess the

1115
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: you know, it's the elephant in the room, like like, okay, oh,

1116
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: did you see him just like run that guy down?

1117
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, No, No, that's fine. Were is he? Are?

1118
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 1: We going to see this guy. If we see this

1119
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: guy ever, then yeah it's gonna be great. But can

1120
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 1: he I mean neck fusion surgery on a linebacker that's scary,

1121
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 1: which but just yeah, just to be blunt about it though,

1122
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 1: that's that's what makes it such a great pick. Is No,

1123
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 1: that doesn't make no. But when you spend it. But

1124
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: the way you said is like as if that was

1125
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: he had it last year and he played throughout this

1126
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: this past year. So when you spend when you spend

1127
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: pick thirty four on a guy who might not never

1128
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: be the same, it's scary. And with all due respect

1129
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: to Damon, it's not scary when it's picked one seventy

1130
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 1: eight because again, go look through the history or one

1131
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: seventy six, I'm sorry, look through the history of what

1132
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: they've done. Like you odds are you were just going

1133
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: to spend it on a guy that you cut in

1134
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: a year or two anyway, who even if it was healthy,

1135
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh no, he's not going to play

1136
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,720
Speaker 1: this year. Well, Semi Pohoko did like got a jersey

1137
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 1: like three times last year. So this is low risk,

1138
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 1: very high reward. And if I know anything, he's wearing

1139
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: number eighteen. That means something at LSU. That means that

1140
00:54:55,960 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: you're like a football first, high character tea leader that

1141
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: the classic like Jason Garrett, right kind of guy. Will

1142
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: McClay told me yesterday he was like, I was blown

1143
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: away by his approach. They met with him at the

1144
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl and he was like, this dude's just all

1145
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: business like there's no there's not to say he doesn't

1146
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: know how to have fun, but like he's dialed in

1147
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: on the job. And so if somebody's going to overcome

1148
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: this and come back as good as or better than

1149
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: he was, I feel fine betting on this guy. Yes, yes,

1150
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: I like it. Yeah, So, I mean there is no

1151
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: downside to this pick as far as I'm concerned. The

1152
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 1: good thing about that too, is when it comes to rehab, No,

1153
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 1: you can't rush injuries back, especially next you know they're

1154
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 1: not cowboys, wouldn't allow you to do that. But you

1155
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: know he's going to be diligent in the work, in

1156
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: the rehab into you know everything it takes to get

1157
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: back and to get back as quickly as you can

1158
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:53,439
Speaker 1: um and and that's what that's what I like about,

1159
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: especially when you're dealing with an injury you know, are

1160
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 1: you gonna be dialed in or you're gonna be locked

1161
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: in even though you're not practicing, are you going to

1162
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: be able to to be up to speed? And it

1163
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 1: sounds like he would do that. So when it, you know,

1164
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: comes time for him to play, he should be ready

1165
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 1: because if football really matters to him, he'll make sure

1166
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,399
Speaker 1: that he does that. We heard Stephen Jones say that

1167
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:13,879
Speaker 1: that you can't they don't completely count out the fact

1168
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 1: that he could play this year. You guys buying that.

1169
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: I buy that it's possible, but I don't know how

1170
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 1: likely it is because again, like so the timetable is

1171
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 1: six months, which suggests that he could be ready by

1172
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: like November or December. But then you think a guy

1173
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: that no camp, no no, no, OTA's no training camp,

1174
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: no getting your feet wet. And that's also the time

1175
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: of the year where if things are going the way

1176
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 1: that you hope they are, that you're sort of trying

1177
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 1: to gear up and get ready for big boy football,

1178
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 1: which maybe he could come in and give you the shot,

1179
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 1: give you a shot in the arm, or maybe you're

1180
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: like or maybe just a special teams guy, give you

1181
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 1: a little support on special right, Yeah, you don't have

1182
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: to close the door right now, So you don't have

1183
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 1: to close the door. But I'm not setting super high

1184
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: expectations for year one. Everything I just said about it

1185
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: making sure he's you know, he's locked in and all that.

1186
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 1: Like if you just said you're out of football this year,

1187
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 1: maybe he won't be that way. Let's just see, let's

1188
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: see what happened. Yeah, he seems like he would be

1189
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: the type to be like he's like the hell I am. Yeah. Yeah. Actually,

1190
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: you know, they said the same thing about Jalen Smith.

1191
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 1: If you remember, they didn't close the door on Jalen

1192
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 1: Smith playing year when everybody, every everybody else was like,

1193
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: he's not playing this year for Jerry didn't do that.

1194
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: Tell me about durn Bland because he's a guy that um,

1195
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: as you started kind of looking for information, there wasn't

1196
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: a lot of information out there about him, but he

1197
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: was taken in the fifth round one hundred and sixty seven. Overall,

1198
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on darn Bland cornerback? He fits

1199
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: the type, has long arms. I've seen his tape, I

1200
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: mean haven't seen much, but one thing that did stand

1201
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 1: out to me was how freaking long his arms are. Like,

1202
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: it's not your fro. Like you know those stinky hands

1203
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: that you little kids play with, It's like they just

1204
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 1: extend and are able to. He just has a really

1205
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: great reach. So that's about the only thing I really

1206
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: noticed because I couldn't find much about him. But yeah,

1207
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: you think that white tape makes it look longer, you know,

1208
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: the tape on the back of his arms. I mean, no,

1209
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 1: I like I like that play right there a lot,

1210
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: because you know, he's getting turned and he recognizes the

1211
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: ball at the same time. A lot of times when

1212
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 1: you getting turned, you're you're just trying to make sure

1213
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: you stay with the guy. Um. But but you know

1214
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 1: what I like about him, and you know, Dave, they

1215
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: probably studied him more or talked about him a lot more.

1216
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: But what I like about him is is that he's

1217
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: a big, physical guy. He's also a track guy. He's

1218
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 1: run he's a long jump and a and a sprinter.

1219
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: So I mean like he's a he's a track guy type.

1220
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 1: He's just an athlete. But no, I mean you have

1221
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 1: to like the skills that you see there. They had

1222
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: their eye on him for a while. He was a

1223
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: thirty visit guy. I think obvious. I mean, dan Quinn

1224
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: obviously really likes him, or else you don't draft him.

1225
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: I just I think you talk to her, you talk

1226
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 1: about the traits like good size, good athleticism, good measurables.

1227
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 1: Is he score off of this play? Yeah, this is

1228
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 1: one of the greatest highlights I've ever seen. It's a

1229
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 1: really good turn. Yeah. You think about everything that happened

1230
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 1: on that play. He probably ran forty yards just to

1231
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 1: chase and get the interception in range traffic, a few

1232
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:14,439
Speaker 1: broken tackles. Okay, I have I have a backup kick

1233
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 1: returner here with Umny. I was gonna say, maybe he

1234
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: can be a return man, right, Seriously, that's the heck

1235
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: of a play because you get that interception a lot

1236
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: of times and you're like, okay, let go out of bounce.

1237
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 1: But he's like, so I can celebrate. Yeah, I love

1238
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 1: the idea. I mean, there might not be a position

1239
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 1: on the team where there's less pressure to contribute right away,

1240
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 1: at least as long as we're assuming Calvin Joseph is

1241
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 1: going to be around, which I am right now, then

1242
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:45,919
Speaker 1: you're like automatically sixth on the depth chart, and this

1243
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: can be a year. You know, dan Quinn's probably gonna

1244
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: just try to mold you and contribute on special teams.

1245
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 1: Like I don't see a huge game. I don't see

1246
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 1: a huge defensive role for this guy right away. But

1247
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: the traits give you a real chance to grow. Absolutely,

1248
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 1: a lot of people are listening to us. They listen,

1249
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: you know that they're not watching the video, they're just

1250
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: uh listening to the audio only. What game was that

1251
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: that he intercepted that ball? And do you know it

1252
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 1: was a blue team and he plays for Fresno. I

1253
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 1: was gonna guess Air Force, but yeah, Boise State, Okay,

1254
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 1: that was That was Fresno versus Boise Probably a ninety

1255
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: nine hundred yard interceptor journey. That was a heck of

1256
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 1: a play. Yeah, all right, we appreciate you, guys, Joannis.

1257
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: We'll be back next week. Next week we'll get into

1258
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 1: a little more big picture of no love for Devin Harper. Hunh,

1259
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:31,439
Speaker 1: I want to tell me real quick about Devin Harper.

1260
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 1: I'll tell I'm stealing this from Nick's thing yesterday. Like,

1261
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a guy that can play a lot

1262
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 1: of special teams for you. Probably right away he's probably

1263
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 1: is he thirty years old? Yet he like twenty five

1264
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 1: he's like, he was at Oklahoma State for at least

1265
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 1: six years. He redshirted, got four, got us COVID year,

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Speaker 1: so he was there for six years. And so he's

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Speaker 1: he's twenty four. He's like the super super senior. But

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Speaker 1: but he runs a four four and he's a he's

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Speaker 1: a he's a running hit type of guy. That's what

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Speaker 1: Will McClay told me. He's like, this guy runs, he

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Speaker 1: hits and last year get eleven tackles for loss on defense.

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Speaker 1: That's a lot of it. That's a lot. Yeah, So

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Speaker 1: that's just last year alone. So he he's he gonna

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Speaker 1: getting me burned at linebacker this year, you think, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think so. I mean, I think that's why they

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Speaker 1: took another linebacker, knowing that Demon Clark's not gonna be

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Speaker 1: able to play right now. He'll play some backup linebacker

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Speaker 1: but play special teams. I feel a lot more confident,

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Speaker 1: which I mean, they protect their draft picks anyway, but

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Speaker 1: for being pick one ninety three, I feel more confident

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Speaker 1: than usual that he would make the team because Demon

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Speaker 1: Clark's a pup guy for sure, and um, and they

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Speaker 1: don't have a ton of like special teams type of

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Speaker 1: guys on their linebacker course, so never like write it

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Speaker 1: in sharpie. But for being pick one ninety three, I

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Speaker 1: think he's got a very clear path to the active roster. YEA,

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Speaker 1: all right, we appreciate you guys. Jonas back next week.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into some big picture stuff around this draft,

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Speaker 1: from what it means holes that may still exist that

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Speaker 1: they may need to fill. Talk about that next week

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Speaker 1: till they for Nick Eatman, Dave Helmont, and Amber Garcia.

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Speaker 1: I am Derek Eagleson. This has been the Break Alive

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