1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,519 Speaker 1: Alright, so it is time for one of our favorite 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: kind of conspiracies. Today's classic episode talks about the Toynbee tiles, 3 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: and Matt, I can't remember whether I mentioned this, we're 4 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: first recording it, but I found a toy Be tile 5 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: in Atlanta. Did I tell you? Did I send a 6 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: I think you did. But we got some great correspondence 7 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,479 Speaker 1: from people listening who also saw them. So I'm having 8 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: a hard time figuring out if it's you know, something 9 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 1: you've shared with us, or something somebody else did. Yeah, 10 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: but toy Be tiles, if you've never heard of them, 11 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: there are these mysterious art pieces appearing in the streets 12 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 1: across the continental America's across North and South America, and 13 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: they have a strange and strangely consistent message. To this day, 14 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: no one knows who is creating the and why. It 15 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: really is a great idea for like a viral art piece, 16 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 1: if you weren't really worried about monetizing your art, just 17 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: come up with a single motif, a single idea, and 18 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: just put it everywhere and make it weird. Right. It 19 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: can't just be regular old words or symbol It needs 20 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: to be like this thing makes you. It needs to 21 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: make you go what. We can't wait to hear your thoughts. Folks. 22 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:34,839 Speaker 1: Here we go from UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. 23 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back 24 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 1: now or learn this stuff they don't want you to know. 25 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show. I was David Bowman, I 26 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: wasn't all I think I'm Ben a k the South 27 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: Side Stanley Kuper. Yeah still still Uh it's weird. You know, 28 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: who really owns a nickname? People just give them to you. 29 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: You know when you hear about a lot of people 30 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: that have the same ones, but they have to own 31 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: it in their own special way. Like all the lives, 32 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 1: you know, everybody everyone's a little something but yeah, or 33 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: a young something, you know. Uh. We're talking today about 34 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: a very particular kind of street art, and I want 35 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: to see from the top of of this episode that 36 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: for some people who haven't heard this and seen the title, 37 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: it might sound weird for for us to open up 38 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 1: talking about street art, but we we love so much 39 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: amazing street art, rilla street art especially. Um, there are 40 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: conspiracies in that world. You know, who is Banksy for instance, 41 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: That's a great one. People that create it. M hmm. 42 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: And there's one idea street art in particular that many 43 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 1: of you ladies and gentlemen, for years, even before we 44 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 1: had an audio podcast, have asked us to cover. And 45 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: we received some inspiration in the form of a friend 46 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: of the show, most recently when we're in New York. Yeah, 47 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: a good friend of the show and my own personal, 48 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: longtime good friend, Matt Riddle, and I were walking around 49 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: in Manhattan and he just kind of casually pointed at 50 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: these odd little um pieces of text in these kind 51 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: of colored boxes randomly along crosswalks and and and said, 52 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: these are Blambie Blaze. I'm like, what blazz blamby blaze? 53 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: What's what the what the hell is that? Matt Riddle 54 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:41,839 Speaker 1: speak up and nunci eight and he said there toinbe tiles. 55 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: And it took me literally nine times of him having 56 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: to repeat that, like can you spell it? I'm not 57 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: getting this, I don't understand what this word is, and yeah, 58 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: and it's it's They're basically just these kind of odd 59 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: little boxes of texts that are all over Manhattan, and 60 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: as it turns out, yeah, they're across dozens of cities, 61 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: not just on this continent either and allah, you know 62 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: the Georgia guidestones. Who the hell put them there? Right? Right? 63 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: So these things popularly known as Toynbee tiles, and it 64 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: is a tricky name and spelled t o y in 65 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 1: b e e. Uh. They're made from just just as 66 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: Noel said, they're Uh, they're embedded into asphalt on the road. Uh. 67 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: They're made from layers of linoleum and this crack filling 68 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: compound that's used to keep pavement together. People began talking 69 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: about these tiles in the nineteen nineties, but you can 70 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: find some references that date back as far as the eighties. 71 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: Still nineteen eighties, not eighteen eighties. This is not like 72 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 1: a it stings situation. Um. And we can get into 73 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: the messages too. We're going to explore, uh, this the 74 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: story of this. And first I think I think you're 75 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: absolutely asking the right question. No, Uh, who is this 76 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: guy's right? Right? So there's the most popular guess is 77 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 1: that Toynbee is a reference to a fellow named Arnold J. Toynbee, 78 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: religious historian um born in England in eighteen eighty nine. 79 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 1: That's the same year Hitler was born. Just from our 80 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: previous podcast man. Every time we do a Hitler podcast, 81 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 1: it just stays with us and all goes back to Hitler, 82 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: all goes back to Hitler. That's that's it, folks, that's 83 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: the truth. Here's where it gets crazy. Toy Bee tiles 84 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: Adolf Hitler. We usually save that for the mid break. 85 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, that's the show. The rest of this 86 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: is going to be silence, and then we'll do an 87 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 1: ad and then we'll go to silence again. We should 88 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: also do a shout out corner. I guess, yeah, a 89 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 1: shout out where we shout out to no one, no, no, no, 90 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: yes Hitler. Aside, toy b is not the only person 91 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: mentioned in these titles. Oh no, specifically Stanley Kubrick, or 92 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 1: well just the last name is mentioned. He's the filmmaker 93 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: that you may know from the film two thousand one 94 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: of Space Odyssey, amongst all of his other incredible works 95 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:19,919 Speaker 1: work Orange, Lolita, e Shut, Paths of Glory, the Shining. 96 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: I mean, it just goes on. And the man was 97 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: was a maverick, I say, a filmmaking maverick and a 98 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: personal favorite of our compatriot Casey Pegram and uh not 99 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: to spoil two thousand one of Space Odyssey. You can't 100 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 1: spoil that movie. It's an it's incredible. You should watch 101 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 1: it if he's seen it. In the end of it, 102 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: a human man uh seems to be reborn in some 103 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 1: way as a space baby. Okay, yes, as a space 104 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: baby whilst on a journey to do the planet Jupiter. 105 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 1: And even if you could spoil two thousand and one, 106 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: I think we've agreed that the statute of limitations on 107 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: spoilers for two thousand one of Space Odyssey is definitely 108 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: definitely up. So yeah, it is weird to think that 109 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 1: it's sixteen years after those events like would have taken place. Yes, yeah, 110 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: that's what I love about older science fiction two thousands. Yes, yes, 111 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: everything would be different. Will all be flying and cars 112 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: and rocket packs? Like like a Handmaid's Tale that just 113 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: premiered recently is set in two thousand and five, I know. 114 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: And it looks more or less like modern day, doesn't it. Yes, 115 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: I thought that was pretty smart. Yeah, and then of course, 116 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: but but the big question people would have is Kubrick. Right, 117 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: we got Kubrick. We all know Kubrick, Toynbee. We're learning 118 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: about Toynbee today, and that weird name. Uh, what do 119 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: these folks have in common? That's interesting because Toynbee was 120 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: a prodigious writer, an alphabet prodigy, if you will, and 121 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: they don't really intersect too often. But Toynbee's writings did 122 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: mention a man named Zoroaster who conceived the idea of monotheism, 123 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: worshiping just one God instead of a Justice League type 124 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: pantheon of God's who all have their own different powers 125 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: and stuff. And this name Zoraster also occurs in the 126 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: title of the Space Odyssey theme song. Thus spake Zaraster, 127 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: there we go. Don don don don't don't do That 128 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 1: was great, guys, that was great. Yeah, And that's that's it. 129 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: That's perfect um. And thus spake Zoraster. Do get in 130 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: front of anybody who's about to write an angry Nietzche 131 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: and email does come from Nietzsche, yes, and perhaps that 132 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: goes back to Hitler as well. But other than that, 133 00:08:55,960 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: other than that one casual mentioned, the two est pensibly 134 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: don't have very much in common. They don't seem to 135 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: have much in common. So now we've set up some 136 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 1: of the references here, let's talk about what these tiles 137 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: actually say. So they all contained some variation of the 138 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: following inscription, um, it's it's it's It means almost like 139 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,959 Speaker 1: a short poem or something, or like perhaps a card 140 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: catalog entry. So you have four lines all caps. First 141 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: one says twinbi idea, second one in movie two thousand one, 142 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: third line resurrect dead, fourth line on planet Jupiter. What. Yeah, 143 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: it's very strange. It Also, when I first learned about these, 144 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: which listeners won, one of you emailed me or left 145 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: a YouTube comment, and I it was so many years ago. 146 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: I don't recall the name, but I was. I was 147 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: wrong at the jump. I thought there was this crazy 148 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 1: guy whose last name was Toynbee who felt that Stanley 149 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 1: Kubrick had ripped off this idea that he had. It's 150 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: reasonable assumption because I didn't know as much um or 151 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: I hadn't dug into it as much. We also know 152 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:04,119 Speaker 1: that there will be variations on the text, like political statements. 153 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: Were telling other people to go make their own tiles, 154 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: and uh, we have some other messages that they've written. 155 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: Here's just a couple examples. Again, these are all texts, 156 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: and many times the eyes are lowercas that's the only 157 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: character that is lowercase. Please make and glue tiles. As 158 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: the American media is working with the Soviet Union, and 159 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,959 Speaker 1: it's thousands of fronts in USA two and that one 160 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: that's just leaves it right there. I feel like it's 161 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 1: connected to another one. Perhaps all right under f O 162 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: I A NBC journalists funneled FBI information on me to 163 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: Soviet You must make plus glue tiles, you and S 164 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 1: media U S. S R. Every concept of past five 165 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: years don't exist in Christian heaven. They only exist in 166 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: Christian Hell. Now the cult of the Hellian are now 167 00:10:54,920 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: searching for more than one hell ideologies to get more reward. Well, yeah, 168 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 1: and if this idea survives after all, make those heallies 169 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: are definitely connected to make those Hellian's pay for what 170 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: they've done. I'm begging you, thank you, and goodbye. Also, 171 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: some shorter ones murder every journalist. I beg you, and 172 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: I'm only one man. And when I caught a fatal disease, 173 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: they gloated over its death. Okay, Now, clearly there's some 174 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: absurdism going on here, wouldn't you say? I mean, like 175 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: it seems it's almost like these some of these messages 176 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: come off as like these hard right, wing kind of political, 177 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: almost threatening sounding, you know, little blurbs, but then there 178 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: are things in here that totally derail them in terms 179 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: of like does this person believe any of this stuff? 180 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: Is it just sort of like a Mary Prankster kind 181 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: of you know trick, right? Is it an act? Is 182 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: there's some sort of mental situation, mental and balance at play. 183 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: That's very possible. And they're also asking for other people 184 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: to make tiles, so there's no way to confirm that 185 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 1: they're all done by the same person. It's tough. That's 186 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: a very important point. They also have footnotes. If you 187 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: check out the messages where if you happen to see these, 188 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: and we'll talk called the cities where you can find these. Uh. 189 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: You might see the larger one with the you know, 190 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: resurrect the Dead two thousand one Jupiter all that stuff. Uh, 191 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:16,839 Speaker 1: you might see a smaller tile piece under it that 192 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,719 Speaker 1: has those footnotes sets where that murder every journalist thing 193 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: came in and then occasionally diatribes condemning the media, the 194 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: mafia or Jewish people. Yep, Hitler, we're back there already. 195 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: But there's a there's another Uh, there's a tile. Some 196 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: of these tiles have their own names. Right. Well, yeah, 197 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: well some of these names or any name that you're 198 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: gonna see has been ascribed by people who have researched 199 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: these or you know, documented them. Uh. Specifically, there are 200 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: a couple of message boards back in the nineties that 201 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: were they would document every single one. They had like 202 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,319 Speaker 1: a whole website that was dedicated to this stuff. Well 203 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 1: this one. There was one in particular that's called the 204 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 1: Manifesto Tile, and it's four panels that are just white 205 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:04,559 Speaker 1: with black text on them, and it's just super long, 206 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: and it starts off by talking about John Knight, who 207 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: is I guess someone who worked for the government, and 208 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,839 Speaker 1: it's just talking about how this guy's out to get him, 209 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: uh he send sicking the mafia on him and all 210 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 1: these things. I mean, it's quite rambly if you go 211 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: through it, and it's quite frankly tough to read with 212 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: all the characters. Yeah, it's very um. The space thing 213 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 1: is very tight, and at times the letters are so 214 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: dark that it almost looks like a single line kind 215 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: of like you look at it. Um. But it's definitely 216 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: by someone who feels like they're being persecuted, and right, 217 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: paranoia is a big part of this and it could 218 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:51,559 Speaker 1: tie into some Skizzo effective types of conditions. But again 219 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: without knowing the person for sure, we're just sort of speculating, 220 00:13:56,400 --> 00:14:00,199 Speaker 1: not even sort of, we're absolutely speculating. But where can 221 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: you find these? So nol, for instance, you went and 222 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: actually saw something in real life. Yeah, the I mean 223 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: there we saw. The thing was we were walking around 224 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: um Metown, Manhattan, and happened upon the first one and 225 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: then saw another one later and I thought maybe we 226 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: had backtracked and it was the same one, but it 227 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: definitely wasn't the same one. We've gone a different way. Uh. 228 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: And they're pretty randomly scattered all all across New York, 229 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: but not only New York. And that's the thing that 230 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: that starts to point to maybe who this this person 231 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,359 Speaker 1: was or what kind of means he had there in Pennsylvania, 232 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: New York, New Jersey, Maryland, Washington, d c Ohio, Massachusetts, Illinois, Missouri, Michigan, 233 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: wait for it, Brazil, Argentina, Chile, and more. And if 234 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: you want to see a complete list of where most 235 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: of them are found, go over to archive dot org, 236 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: hop on that way back machine and go to toynbee 237 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: dot net. Right, So, who made them? Who makes them? 238 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: Are they still active? Is that one person is more 239 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: than one person? Can we find them? Will explore that 240 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: question in depth after a word from our sponsors. Here's 241 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: where it gets crazy. No one absolutely agrees who created 242 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: these things. That's why it kind of reminds me of, 243 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: you know, the guide stones in a way because it's 244 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: text based. It's sort of an anti guide stone because 245 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: it's much more like you'd stumble across it not even 246 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: know you it was there, right, guys, This like ostentatious 247 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: giant monument that you can't miss. But the intent is 248 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: sort of similar. I mean, it's to convey a message 249 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: hidden in plain sight more or less, you know. And 250 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: then the idea is that, like the mystery is what 251 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: keeps people interested in seeking these out and reading them 252 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: and researching them and finding all about them. But yeah, 253 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: nobody those who this person is that put them there. 254 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: Maybe it's a whole cadre. That's the other thing it's 255 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: gonna be because when you look at them, there's this 256 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: consistency in the way they look, and like I said, 257 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: with the lower case eyes that you'll find across almost 258 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: all of them. That makes you think it's you know, 259 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: either the same press that's being used to make these 260 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: or the same person's hand. You have a style guide. 261 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: I mean that's true. He possibly toy B style guide. 262 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: We should start writing all of our all of our 263 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: work stuff in TOYNB style missives missives, yes, our missives 264 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: and memos and correspondencies. The multiple locations indicating this something 265 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: we alluded to earlier on, indicate someone who, if it's 266 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: a single person, has both the means and the time 267 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: to travel, because traveling to that many places to do 268 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: that very specific thing is a is a tall order 269 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: financially and in terms of hours spent. Yeah, and then 270 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: to buy all the materials as well that you need 271 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: to create those things, and you'd have to have a 272 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: place that secluded enough to create them in secret, I'm 273 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: assuming right. So already we have some some pros and 274 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: cons lack of a better dichotomy. We have an argument 275 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: for it being one person because of the consistency, but 276 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: we also have an argument for being multiple people because 277 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 1: the tiles at times literally invite other people to make tiles. However, 278 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: we do know people have made some pretty solid guesses 279 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 1: as to the identity of the titlest the Tyler. The Tyler. Yeah, 280 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: that's how you say a Hamburglar type of figure. So 281 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: there's this documentary that you may have seen. It was 282 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: on Netflix for a time. I cannot confirm on my 283 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: current machine whether it is still there, as Netflix changes 284 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: out their material all the time. So it's called resurrect 285 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: Dead The Mystery of the toy be Tiles. It was 286 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: created in two thousand and a Levin and directed by 287 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: John Foy. It features three investigators who have been looking 288 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: into these titles since the nineties. One gentleman in particular 289 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: named Justin, who is, for the lack of a better word, 290 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: obsessed a bit with the toynbee idea. And then Steve 291 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: and Colin are his his buds and co workers. So 292 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 1: they're they're the ones who were visiting toynbee dot net 293 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 1: way back in the day, and eventually, through their investigative 294 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: measures or all the measures they took, they ended up 295 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: being gifted control of that website. And they have they've 296 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: they've arrived in the in the course of this documentary, 297 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: which we do recommend, they've arrived at some clues that 298 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: have can have convinced them in a way that they're 299 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: they feel like they know who this creator is. Yes, 300 00:18:54,720 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: So throughout this documentary they they identify three major suspect 301 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: X that they think could possibly be the Tyler. The 302 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: first one is a gentleman named sevy Verna. It's not 303 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: his full name, will get into that later. And he's 304 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 1: known as the Birdman. That's so cool. I'll tell you 305 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 1: about a nickname. Why is he called the birdman? Well, 306 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: he sometimes will take care of injured birds, and apparently 307 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: that's one of the main things that he does. Slightly 308 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: older gentleman. He's very intelligent according to people who live 309 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: near him on the same street, although he is a 310 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: very difficult person to get a hold of to talk to. 311 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 1: He's very quiet, he likes to keep to himself. He 312 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: doesn't really go anywhere. Um, he doesn't go anywhere, doesn't 313 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:44,120 Speaker 1: really leave his house that often. Apparently sometimes he does, 314 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: at least This is all according to hearsay right people 315 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: that were interviewed by these people making the documentary. Um. However, 316 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: according to a phone call that the main guy made 317 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 1: to this person's one of their relatives, one of this 318 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: guy's relatives, he has never ever been to South America. 319 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 1: And as we know, these tiles are in three places. 320 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: And also they found out through this relative that he 321 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 1: has a terrible lung condition. And when you think about 322 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: somebody going out on you know, hot asphalt or on 323 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: the street somewhere even at night, putting down those tiles, 324 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: all that manual labor, I don't know, you feel like 325 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: maybe that person couldn't do it, or maybe the lung 326 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: condition was caused by exposure to all those toxic chemicals 327 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: doing it for so many years, Because I mean it 328 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 1: seems to me like these are these what do we 329 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: talk about how far they date back? When? Like do 330 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 1: we we dated them? We know that they rumors of 331 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 1: them first emerged in the eighties in particulars when and yeah, 332 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: so this is a long long time decades plus activity. 333 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,719 Speaker 1: But we have other we have other suspects to right, 334 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: speaking of nicknames that you got to own railroad, Joe 335 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: love It or Julius Parole. Do you think he knew 336 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: hobo code? I'm your man. So he worked for the 337 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: Conrail railroad company. Conrail passes through every city in the 338 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: US where the tiles have been found. Right, if you 339 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:20,199 Speaker 1: need to travel, Okay, I'm getting more on board with 340 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: that one. On board You're on the you're hopping on 341 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: the train on the Railroad Joe train. Um so, a 342 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: giant telescope was being shipped in sections to Chile. Uh 343 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: and the shipment went through the rail yard where Railroad 344 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: Joe worked, and it was destined for Lacia Observatory in July. 345 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: Of course, um his family, I'm gonna say as many 346 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: time as I can, the family of Railroad Shoe worked 347 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: on creating tombstones. This was their business. Yeah, so they 348 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: thought maybe that's how we got access to some of 349 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 1: the tools required, or at least the concept and the 350 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 1: similar Yeah, exactly. But there's a fatal flaw to this theory. 351 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: Railroad Joe or Julius Peroli died on March nineteen, and 352 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 1: that is a fatal flaw, right, I am assuming, unless 353 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 1: he was resurrected on Jupiter and made it back somehow, 354 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 1: and that's what the whole thing is about. Maybe he 355 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 1: was resurrected on so weirdly optimistic of you, that's you 356 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 1: know what that's inspiring. Or maybe he headed up some 357 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: kind of twyn Be tile cult and he laid the 358 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: groundwork and spread the message far and wide. Or maybe 359 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: maybe he did all of it and people were just 360 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,880 Speaker 1: finding them later, because let's not forget. I mean, these 361 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: are in heavily foot trafficked areas. And while you might argue, well, 362 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: doesn't that mean it would be found instantly, they're not 363 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,679 Speaker 1: that remarkable to look at right away. And there's a 364 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 1: lot of noise, you know, visually and you know, literally 365 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: noise in these areas, and a lot of you know, 366 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 1: just garbage and stuff on the street. You could pass 367 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: by this thing and think it was some kind of 368 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: city sign for a sewer line or like, you know, 369 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 1: they don't look remarkable at all unless you really peek 370 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: down at them, And that was the only way I 371 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 1: would have never noticed them. They haven't pointed out to me. 372 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 1: That's a great observation. We have to remember the cities 373 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 1: are already filled to the brim. Was stuff you know 374 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,120 Speaker 1: that's probably wasn't the only street art you saw when 375 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: you were on your walk about. Actually gets to the 376 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: point where it's almost sensory overload where to actually see 377 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,239 Speaker 1: the good stuff you you may easily be distracted by 378 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:33,120 Speaker 1: some lesser quality stuff that's just bigger and more gaudy. Yeah, 379 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: the same reason it's tough to uh spend all day 380 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 1: at a museum and pay the same amount of attention 381 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: to everything you know, you can get lost. We have 382 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 1: one other suspect here, UH, fellow names James Morasco. He 383 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: started the Minority Association. And there's a writer named Clark 384 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: de Leon who interviewed him in nineteen eighty three, and 385 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: so we have some information via this interview. Moresco lived 386 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: in Fishtown or Kensington. These are blue collar neighborhoods north 387 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 1: of Center City, Philadelphia, and he's very proud of his education. 388 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: Matt noted earlier that he has a soft bass voice. 389 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 1: I did not note that that is the uh, that 390 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 1: is the gentleman who interviewed him. Sure, I promis verbatim 391 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: soft bass voice, you mean like a radio kind of 392 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: like a soft, sexy dulcet voice, like a quiet story. 393 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: It's a it's a bowling. It's probably a bowling. You 394 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: guys want to have an out like you want to 395 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:40,880 Speaker 1: have a soft, off, soft, afraid of doing. Come on, now, 396 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: you can do it. I really can't softer naked low 397 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 1: Well we uh, you could check out his voice of 398 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: the account. The only known record of James Morasco was found, uh, 399 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: was that he was found to live in Chestnut Hill, Philadelphia, 400 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 1: which is of nicer neighborhood northwest of where those other 401 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 1: neighborhoods are so not so much blue collar. In two 402 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 1: thousand one, some more information was reveiled about him. He 403 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: cannot speak. According to his wife, he had his voice 404 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: box removed, and based on his age, he would have 405 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: been in his seventies and eighties when the majority of 406 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,439 Speaker 1: these titles were thought to be in place. What do 407 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,199 Speaker 1: you mean he had his voice box removed. Yeah, I 408 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: think it's has something to do with cancer. I'm not sure. 409 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: I can't verify that, but I don't think it's like 410 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: a creative choice. Yeah, yeah, highly doubt. It's a big world. 411 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,919 Speaker 1: So so we have these three people, each of whom 412 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: have some arguments for and then some very powerful arguments against. Yes, 413 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: and just for some context, let's go to that interview 414 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: that we're talking about with James Morasco, because it is 415 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: it is a little important, and we'll just read this 416 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: pretty quickly. This is what they covered in the documentary 417 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,199 Speaker 1: from this Are you going to do a bass voice? No? No, 418 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: because it's a different guy. This is Clark to Leon's. 419 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: Folks call me skeptical, but I had a hard time 420 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 1: buying James Morasco's concept that the planet Jupiter would be 421 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 1: colonized by bringing all the people on Earth who would 422 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: ever died back to life. Sorry about that. Morasco says 423 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 1: he's a social worker in Philly and he came across 424 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 1: this idea while reading a book by historian Arnold Toynbee, 425 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: whose theory on bringing dead molecules back to life was 426 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 1: depicted in the movie two thousand one, A Space Odyssey. 427 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: That's why he's contact and talk shows and newspapers to 428 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: spread this message. He's even founded a Jupiter colonization organization 429 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 1: called the Minority Association, which he says consists of me, Eric, 430 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 1: Eric sister who does the typing. Frank. Anyway, you may 431 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 1: be hearing more from Morasco, then again you may not 432 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: well done. Was this guy like a longshoreman or something? No, No, 433 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,719 Speaker 1: he sounded nothing like that. He's a very nice gentleman. 434 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: It was all in print, So I just, uh like 435 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: that voice. I I liked the idea of hanging out 436 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: with someone who always says Jupiter like their angry at 437 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: it was he was he an affleck So that was 438 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 1: that was from the article in the Philadelphia Inquirer called 439 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: theories want to run that would buy me again? And 440 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: that's where we get a lot of information. We also 441 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: have a play, the famous play right that that enters 442 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: into the story here. That's right a short play by 443 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: legendary playwright and screenwriter David Mamment entitled four Am, which 444 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: is from his Goldberg Street collection. It's a one act 445 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: play about a radio host and an odd caller who 446 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: wants to discuss his plan to resurrect the dead on Jupiter. 447 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: Sounds familiar and it mentions Arnold Toynbee UM two thousand 448 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: one of Space Odyssey and the resurrection of quote dead 449 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 1: molecules on Jupiter. Uh, there's also this is this is 450 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 1: a tantalizing breadcrumb here. There's also a Toynbee tile in Santiago, Chile, 451 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 1: and it includes an address for a house in South Philadelphia. 452 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: Can we read the address on air? Are you guys? 453 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 1: I don't know that. I was hesitant to include it. 454 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: The documentary chose to not put it in there. Okay, 455 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: Well you can find it online if you wish. And 456 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,120 Speaker 1: you know, that's a good point, Matt. Somebody probably lives there, 457 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: and there you know, trying to live their life without 458 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 1: inquiries into the toy B adventure. They did say it's 459 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: on Seventh Street somewhere, and they did say that there 460 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: were also what they called proto tiles found embedded in 461 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: the pavement around this address. These appeared to be test 462 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: of the tile materials. Sometiles random letters, others were in Spanish. 463 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: So it seems like there's something associated. You know, this 464 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: is somehow associated with Philly. Okay, So we kind of 465 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: set the stage here for information that this team has 466 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: been gathering and and again they're gathering the best known 467 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 1: information about the toy Be tiles, at least that you 468 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: can find online, which is pretty cool to follow these 469 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: guys doing that. Well, in early two thousand six, h 470 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 1: the guy Bill O'Neil, who was running toy b dot 471 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: net dot net. Remember we said that these guys took 472 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: it over. Well, it's because he gave it to them 473 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: and they got access to hundreds of email messages that 474 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: had come through and this suspanning from two thousand six 475 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: and so that's just one big thing. So now they're 476 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: they have all the information that you can have about 477 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: the toy B time. They have a cash right there 478 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: they're building this enormous database. But that's not the only 479 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 1: weird thing they had access to. There was mysterious broadcast. 480 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: Do you guys remember the story about the Max Headroom appearance, 481 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,479 Speaker 1: which is classic We are because Matt Noel and I 482 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: are actually friends off air, we spend way too much 483 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: time passing each other weird stuff that we think is 484 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: either funny or just bizarre, and this is one. This 485 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 1: is one. Um, could you could you describe it? I 486 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: think you guys went to a well, I will I 487 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: will start off by saying that Um Chuck from Stuff 488 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 1: you Should Know did an episode with our friendemy Jonathan 489 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 1: Strickland on his podcast It's tex Tex Stuff where they 490 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: go deep into it. Basically, it was a signal intrusion 491 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: into a broadcast facility in I can't remember Cacago, Yeah, 492 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: where UM interrupted regular broadcast day with this odd looking 493 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: dude and kind of like a plastic e face mask 494 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: thing kind of glitch video very much associated now the 495 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: look of it with like Vapora wave community and like 496 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: the kind of like you know, weird, like kitchy eighties 497 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: kind of like neo futuristic kind of vibe, almost plastic 498 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: very strange, very very plastic e and fake looking. Um 499 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: and what was what did he hear? What he said? Yeah? 500 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: He Uh. The person who makes the appearance says a 501 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: series of bizarre things. You should talk out them with 502 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: the old ones of your tide, but it is the 503 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: only one to do. I'll get you a hot drink. 504 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 1: Yeah that thing. Yeah, And everybody was every everybody was 505 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: baffled beyond words, bugged out, at a loss for words. 506 00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: And this there's a similar thing that happens um in 507 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 1: the toyb case in the guy named Joe Raymondo was 508 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: watching eyewitness news when a strange broadcast intruded over the 509 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 1: air waves. Someone hijacked the news and sent out the 510 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: toyn B message. Yeah, apparently it was just audio of 511 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: what you would find on the toy be tiles talking 512 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: about the toy b Idea two thousand one resurrected dead 513 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 1: on Jupiter. And it just kind of he said, it 514 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: came in a wave. It wasn't like the whole you know, 515 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: the whole TV broadcast, like the picture went away and 516 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: you saw something. You just heard the message come through 517 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 1: as static gain like there was game static and then 518 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: you hear the message and then it went away. That's weird. 519 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 1: It's really weird. But it's gonna factor in later in 520 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: the story. And this story will continue after a brief 521 00:32:54,200 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: word from our sponsors, and we're back no delay, as 522 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 1: Matt would say, Yes, we're back, zero delays. Um, so 523 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: let's jump right into it. There is a gentleman, now 524 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: that these guys have access to toynb dot net, there's 525 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: a gentleman named Nathan mel m e h L who 526 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,479 Speaker 1: wrote in with this story apparently about a street profit 527 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: that was given out pamphlets. Yeah. However, when they contacted 528 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: this guy, he says that, oh no, my, what I 529 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 1: wrote was taken out of context. There was actually no 530 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: street profit, but there were flyers that were just blanketing 531 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 1: this area where he was visiting at the time, and 532 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: they included this toyn B idea. There's this whole thing 533 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: about public notice and then it says all this stuff, 534 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: and at the very bottom it says tune six point 535 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 1: to five megacycles short wave, which means the people who 536 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: are putting out this idea have a short wave radio 537 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 1: show of some sort, or at least a place where 538 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 1: they regularly give out signals, which is interesting then, because 539 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: that builds a case that they might have uh knowledge 540 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: related to radio broadcasting or transmissions and in the course 541 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 1: of resurrect the dead. Another thing that happens in the 542 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 1: documentary once again is probably the best source for any 543 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,919 Speaker 1: information about the toy be tiles. They went to this 544 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,399 Speaker 1: convention oriented around shortwave radio and they met a fellow 545 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,360 Speaker 1: named John t Arthur who claimed that he communicated with 546 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 1: the toy B. Tyler. I still like Tylstu with the 547 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 1: with with the toyn B. Tyler, but only through mail 548 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,399 Speaker 1: through post. And then when the documentarians prompted this guy 549 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 1: with the name Sevy, remember from our earlier three suspects, 550 00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: John recalled the last name Verna. He said it out 551 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: loud without them mentioning that at all. So, Hey, what 552 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 1: do you think, Noel, That's that's kind of crazy that 553 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,400 Speaker 1: it that he was able to pop that off the 554 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,439 Speaker 1: top of his head after writing to the guy and 555 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: getting correspondence back right off the dome. Son and this 556 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:22,760 Speaker 1: this brought him back to Severino Sevy Verna. We visited 557 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 1: this and talk a little bit about his methods for delivering. 558 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 1: Possibly they did another hard look at his neighbors and 559 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 1: friends and people who lived in the immediate area, and 560 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,840 Speaker 1: they got a lot more detailed information. So, according to 561 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: the neighbors, Sevy had a bit of an unusual car 562 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 1: that might um shed some light on on how he 563 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: if he was the person that did this, installed these tiles. 564 00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:00,360 Speaker 1: So this car only had one seat, um on one side, 565 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 1: the driver's side. Imagine and wait for it, there was 566 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: no floorboard. What yeah, so like Flintstone's mobile style just 567 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 1: driving in a city. I mean obviously they would have 568 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 1: to be you know, the the the what's the word, yeah, 569 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 1: the drive train and the the frame of the cart 570 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,319 Speaker 1: that's going on down there. There would be like exactly 571 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 1: exactly so there there would be like all of these 572 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 1: open spaces where if one were so inclined to do 573 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:37,839 Speaker 1: odd little graffiti's all over various cities, he could perhaps 574 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 1: take that car, park it, or even not even park it, 575 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:45,760 Speaker 1: maybe even had a light oh yeah, reached down pop 576 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 1: on the tile, because it wouldn't take that much time 577 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:48,759 Speaker 1: to do. One of these would be sort of the 578 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,400 Speaker 1: equivalent of like putting up a bill with wheat paste 579 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:52,799 Speaker 1: or something, you know, where you just kind of hit 580 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,720 Speaker 1: it over a couple of times, make sure it's flat 581 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,279 Speaker 1: and then you move on. You know, I heard them 582 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 1: talk about wheat paste in this, and they said something 583 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 1: about wheat paste may have been a way that it 584 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,239 Speaker 1: was done, but with asphalt stuff. So, yeah, let's talk 585 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,359 Speaker 1: a little bit about the structure of the tiles, because 586 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 1: we said that there is a consistency in their design. 587 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 1: So imagine these layers, right, The bottom layer is a adhesive, 588 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,040 Speaker 1: a tar paper, and we talked about how the other 589 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,880 Speaker 1: stuff is um a kind of tile, but with a 590 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:26,319 Speaker 1: heavier rubber content and crack filling asphalt compound. So the 591 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 1: brilliant thing about this is when you lay it down, 592 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,719 Speaker 1: you know, you would apply some pressure to make sure 593 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:36,280 Speaker 1: it adheres, but as other cars pass over it, each 594 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,719 Speaker 1: one of them is helping we paste it. Mentioned as 595 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 1: the sun beats down on it and starts to heat 596 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:48,239 Speaker 1: up those materials, that just gets more and more baked in. Yeah, 597 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 1: and so this this is not only an AHA moment, 598 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,920 Speaker 1: but this is also a moment that explains a lot 599 00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,400 Speaker 1: of stuff because one thing, um, one thing that we 600 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 1: should emphasize about these tiles is many of them are 601 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:07,759 Speaker 1: found in areas that are so heavily trafficked. There would 602 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,800 Speaker 1: apparently be no way, you know, even for somebody really 603 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 1: fast to go up on foot and then you know, 604 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,920 Speaker 1: one of these down unless it was a drive by 605 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 1: just and that's not the only weird thing about Verne 606 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,080 Speaker 1: that the neighbors said. The car also had a giant 607 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 1: antenna that would broadcast the Toynbe message. Uh, the signal 608 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,880 Speaker 1: would interrupt TV and radio signals as the car drove past. 609 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 1: So I guess it's sort of like a mini mobile 610 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 1: pirate radio station that would just intrude on whatever was 611 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 1: available around in its immediate proximity. Yeah, so really aggressive 612 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 1: ice cream truck. Yeah, yeah, but he's getting you in 613 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 1: your house when you're listening to the radio or watching 614 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:54,319 Speaker 1: TV or something. Now, that's allegedly sure. The you know 615 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,200 Speaker 1: that the toybe message would go out with this guy. 616 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,759 Speaker 1: But according to the you know, the people who lived 617 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 1: around him, they hated that car. They knew what they 618 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 1: knew about it because when it drove past, they always 619 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,359 Speaker 1: mess up what they're listening to, her watching, And he 620 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 1: had some disputes with his neighbors. He was not particularly 621 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 1: loved in the community. It was held at knife point once, 622 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 1: apparently because there was an argument over his loud organ 623 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:25,719 Speaker 1: and accordion playing. He'll become he's become a bit of 624 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 1: a shut in at the time documentary. But ap plywood 625 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,399 Speaker 1: over his windows and he put a lead pipe through 626 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,800 Speaker 1: his door. Yeah, and he wouldn't respond to the multiple 627 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:36,920 Speaker 1: times these guys were trying to get in touch with him, 628 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 1: both in person and even the neighbors, the people who 629 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,319 Speaker 1: knew who he was. And you know, ostensibly they know 630 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,600 Speaker 1: he knows them, but he would never answer his door 631 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,919 Speaker 1: for anybody. So let's get weirder with it. Okay, there's 632 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 1: another I know there are a lot of names in 633 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,399 Speaker 1: this show, but uh, they should be worth it, hopefully. Uh, 634 00:39:55,480 --> 00:40:01,839 Speaker 1: here's another person named Ulis Fleming, and this says he 635 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:06,320 Speaker 1: has a handwritten letter sent and signed by James Morasco 636 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:11,359 Speaker 1: from his Minority Association radio station, written in the early eighties. Yeah, 637 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,360 Speaker 1: and Morasco also sent along a bunch of pages with 638 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 1: info about the project. Inside this letter, Morasco is listed 639 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 1: as the publicity director for the Minority Association, and at 640 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,279 Speaker 1: one point in the documents, the author Morasco refers to 641 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:32,080 Speaker 1: himself as Severino Verna. Holy crap, So we might be 642 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:38,280 Speaker 1: dealing with the same. It's like Batman, dude, Severino Morasco 643 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 1: is Batman and Severino is who's Batman? Bruce Wayne? Oh, 644 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:49,480 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Oh is that a spoiler? Bruce Way, He's 645 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:55,960 Speaker 1: not actually a bat Also Lightweights, But this this is interesting, 646 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 1: this idea that there would be multiple identities, because that's 647 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,319 Speaker 1: something that a lot of con artists do. Yeah, or 648 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,960 Speaker 1: a street artist or a street artist might do that, 649 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,239 Speaker 1: like Banksy or like a graph head is not going 650 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:13,800 Speaker 1: to you know, spray paint Douglas Maroney. Here's my address 651 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,840 Speaker 1: and my social Security number, list of my fears and 652 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,840 Speaker 1: when I'm usually at home. That well, that was my 653 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,439 Speaker 1: big question when when that address shows up in Chile. 654 00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:29,200 Speaker 1: Excuse me, Chile, Uh, Like, why would you put your 655 00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:33,360 Speaker 1: address there? Maybe if you want, if somebody who lives 656 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,000 Speaker 1: in Santiago wants to write to him about the toy 657 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:41,160 Speaker 1: b idea maybe And the thought is, if you're in Chile, 658 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:45,000 Speaker 1: you're never gonna actually get in contact with me personally, 659 00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,239 Speaker 1: Like you're not gonna fly here and find me at 660 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,040 Speaker 1: my house. I don't understand the reasoning behind that. Oh, 661 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,719 Speaker 1: there was no Internet, or there was, but it was very, 662 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:58,880 Speaker 1: very very young in the eighties crude. Yeah, right, he 663 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,600 Speaker 1: has more more um I r C like message boards 664 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:07,440 Speaker 1: a blunt instrument into internet. Yes, yes it was. It 665 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,560 Speaker 1: was a series of rocks. But yeah, I guess you 666 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,040 Speaker 1: usually wouldn't have that fear of having your address out 667 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,719 Speaker 1: there in another country that you know, across the world. 668 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,440 Speaker 1: The idea of like dockxing wasn't even like a twinkle 669 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:22,120 Speaker 1: in the eye of the zeitgeist, right, yeah, like maybe 670 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,000 Speaker 1: some black box government agency could do it. But that's it. 671 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,360 Speaker 1: So let's not leave that. The play that we mentioned 672 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:33,440 Speaker 1: earlier unexplained from that same letter. Uh, there's this quote 673 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,120 Speaker 1: that Arnold Toynbee's conception of the colonization of outer space 674 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,000 Speaker 1: has depicted in the movie two thousand one of Space Odyssey. 675 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 1: Was first explained according to the letter writer in a 676 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,200 Speaker 1: call in on Larry King Show in February of nine. 677 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:51,040 Speaker 1: WHOA that was back when Larry King was only a 678 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:55,520 Speaker 1: hundred Yeah, have you ever? No, I don't mean this 679 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,600 Speaker 1: in a disrespectful way. I don't want to body shame 680 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,440 Speaker 1: anyone or what for the correct term is, but he 681 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:05,200 Speaker 1: has a very large head, Like if you've seen him 682 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,120 Speaker 1: when he's not sitting at his desk in his the 683 00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,960 Speaker 1: environment where you think you're supposed to encounter him. If 684 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:12,719 Speaker 1: you saw him walking down the street and you had 685 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,120 Speaker 1: never seen the Larry King Show, he would still be like, 686 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:20,400 Speaker 1: my god. Well, that paired with the increasing curvature of 687 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,160 Speaker 1: his spine and his tiny hands, he kind of resembles 688 00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:28,919 Speaker 1: a t rex. Yeah. So the reason this is significant, 689 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:36,919 Speaker 1: the writing about this in February is because, uh, David 690 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,680 Speaker 1: Mammett didn't write his piece until I think eighty three, 691 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,960 Speaker 1: and then it officially came out in eighty four. Um. 692 00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:48,640 Speaker 1: And there's an excerpt from David Mammitt discussing four Am 693 00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,360 Speaker 1: his play where he said, quote, Yeah, this play is 694 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,319 Speaker 1: an homage to Larry King the days when I used 695 00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,080 Speaker 1: to listen to him on the radio in the middle 696 00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:01,400 Speaker 1: of the night, which means this play that he wrote 697 00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:06,279 Speaker 1: is quite literally. Whoever this Tobe person was just like 698 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:10,280 Speaker 1: calling up Larry Ins and saying these things to him. 699 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,200 Speaker 1: And if do you guys want to read an excerpt 700 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:18,080 Speaker 1: from the play, Uh, Greg, we need you to help 701 00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,400 Speaker 1: to publicize our plan. We've been trying to get our 702 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,200 Speaker 1: organization together to raise money to be able to hire 703 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:27,200 Speaker 1: republic relations from like Wells and Jacoby to publicize organization. 704 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,040 Speaker 1: When are we going to get the money? I don't 705 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,279 Speaker 1: know to publicize. Yeah. In the movie two thousand and one, 706 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,799 Speaker 1: based on the writings of Arnold Toynbee, they speak of 707 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,120 Speaker 1: the plan. Excuse me, excuse me. But the movie two 708 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,399 Speaker 1: thousand one was based on the writing and the old 709 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:47,120 Speaker 1: human life is is is made of molecules based on 710 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:51,560 Speaker 1: the writing of Arthur C. Clark All human, No, Greg, Look, 711 00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,839 Speaker 1: if you examine what I'm it was based on the 712 00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:59,600 Speaker 1: writings of Arthur C. Clark. Oh, Greg, No, we have 713 00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:04,520 Speaker 1: the go on, Greg. In the writings of Arnold Toynbee, 714 00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,759 Speaker 1: he discusses a plan whereby all human life could be 715 00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,520 Speaker 1: easily we constituted onto the planet Jupiter. So you see 716 00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:15,080 Speaker 1: here the whole idea is right there. And David mats play. No, 717 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,560 Speaker 1: I mean clearly based on the chronology of events here 718 00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,000 Speaker 1: that this little play snippet was the influence for whatever 719 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,240 Speaker 1: odd human did these things. Well, no, no, the play 720 00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:30,360 Speaker 1: was based on the actual guy who called in. He 721 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,520 Speaker 1: called in Larry King apparently in the early eighties, and 722 00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,440 Speaker 1: then David Mammott heard it and then wrote something very 723 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,120 Speaker 1: similar to it if not almost verbatim to what man 724 00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,880 Speaker 1: it says that he made the whole thing up with 725 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,640 Speaker 1: his brain mind, and that there was no actual call 726 00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,279 Speaker 1: that described the contents of his play. Be that as 727 00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:54,280 Speaker 1: it may. We just read an excerpt of the actual play. 728 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,560 Speaker 1: But maybe, ma'am, it's full of it. I mean, maybe he's, 729 00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,160 Speaker 1: you know, based on like if he wrote this in 730 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:04,360 Speaker 1: eight threeson mid eighties, and isn't like that when the 731 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,839 Speaker 1: first tiles started popping up the call, the Larry King 732 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,680 Speaker 1: call comes from nineteen eighties, so this would be around 733 00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,879 Speaker 1: this time. And yeah, this is and ma'am it said 734 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,680 Speaker 1: it's when he used to listen to Larry King late 735 00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,799 Speaker 1: at night. So it's probably one of those things like, 736 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,080 Speaker 1: you know, half half awake, half asleep, he's like listening 737 00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,959 Speaker 1: to Larry King falling falling asleep to it. It's like, oh, man, 738 00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,120 Speaker 1: I don't know where I'm getting these crazy thoughts about 739 00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:32,359 Speaker 1: Jupiter and Toynbee, but this is great. I'm gonna write 740 00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,319 Speaker 1: this thing that's just so specific. Yeah, you know what 741 00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,800 Speaker 1: I mean. If it's if it was something a little 742 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,680 Speaker 1: more stylized where he's like people are being reincarnated or 743 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:46,600 Speaker 1: being reborn in space. Yeah, you know, ter, it's Arnold Toynbee, 744 00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:51,960 Speaker 1: who is not commonly referenced in most day to day 745 00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,719 Speaker 1: associated with this kind of thing. Yeah, you know, it's 746 00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,200 Speaker 1: the old question which came first, the ma'am it player, 747 00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:02,400 Speaker 1: the Toybee talk. Yeah, yeah, that's the original version. The 748 00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:07,719 Speaker 1: world may never know, but we have some conclusions here. 749 00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,279 Speaker 1: So the person who created these tiles, whoever it was 750 00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:15,080 Speaker 1: or is, believed that Toynbee provided the instructions to resurrect 751 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,640 Speaker 1: a deceased person, and that these instructions were the key 752 00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:20,960 Speaker 1: to rebirth, not just for that individual, but for every 753 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,879 Speaker 1: single human being on this happy little planet of ours. Well, yeah, 754 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,440 Speaker 1: and they at least believed it enough to spend a 755 00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,400 Speaker 1: whole lot of time and energy. I would say a 756 00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:33,520 Speaker 1: good amount of their life's energy is obsessive in time. Yes. 757 00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:40,120 Speaker 1: On on that singular idea, um, and where the documentary 758 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,520 Speaker 1: pulls a quote that we're going to quote here from Toynbee, 759 00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:47,560 Speaker 1: and it comes from his writings and experiences, and it says, 760 00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:52,160 Speaker 1: when after death the body dissolves into its physical elements, 761 00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:57,560 Speaker 1: these elements themselves are not annihilated. They are continuing to exist. 762 00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:01,239 Speaker 1: As parts of the physical universe, though no longer in 763 00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,560 Speaker 1: this form, which makes sense right, yeah, sort of. We 764 00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,480 Speaker 1: are made of star stuff. Your carbon breaks down, but 765 00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:12,400 Speaker 1: that carbon is still there. So the people who created 766 00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:16,799 Speaker 1: the documentary, which again is excellent and worth well worth watching. Uh, 767 00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,920 Speaker 1: they end with a conclusion where wherein they are convinced 768 00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,160 Speaker 1: that they have solved the mystery of the toWin be 769 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:31,319 Speaker 1: tiles Um. And I'm not completely I'm not utterly convinced yet, 770 00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,120 Speaker 1: because I would want to. I would want to have 771 00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:38,200 Speaker 1: it either completely confirmed or to the earlier point from 772 00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,759 Speaker 1: the guide stones. Let the mystery be a mystery. It's 773 00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,879 Speaker 1: pretty cool, and I don't think I don't think it's 774 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,319 Speaker 1: outside the realm of possibility that other people, perhaps some 775 00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:50,680 Speaker 1: of you listening today, would start making your own. And 776 00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,319 Speaker 1: not only that, he also or this person or this 777 00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,880 Speaker 1: group of people also believe that Stanley Kuberick and Arthur C. 778 00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,760 Speaker 1: Clark then took these instructions and used them to inform 779 00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:04,200 Speaker 1: the plot, specifically the ending like the last ten or 780 00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:08,080 Speaker 1: eleven minutes of two thousand one of Space Odyssey, which 781 00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:12,319 Speaker 1: you know what an idea I mean, you can't come 782 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,799 Speaker 1: up with this kind of stuff well said, and we 783 00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:19,360 Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed this exploration. We'd also like to thank 784 00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,440 Speaker 1: the illustrious Matt Riddle. Thank you Matt Riddle and everybody 785 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,320 Speaker 1: else who wrote into us about these tiles for finally 786 00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,520 Speaker 1: for finally getting us to do this. We have a 787 00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,000 Speaker 1: long list of things that we want to cover and 788 00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,920 Speaker 1: uh we we try to get to it all eventually. 789 00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,840 Speaker 1: And speaking of listeners, just like you, it sounds like 790 00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:42,800 Speaker 1: it's time for shot at corner. Yes, shout out corner, 791 00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:44,200 Speaker 1: and our first shout out of the day goes to 792 00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,920 Speaker 1: Ryan Penn and Josh Brumbaugh, who visited the office yesterday 793 00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,719 Speaker 1: from Maryland. Ryan made us sign his shirt that's true, 794 00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:55,279 Speaker 1: attested that, and he took a selfie with Scully. Uh. 795 00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:59,799 Speaker 1: And Josh was also cool. They were he was super cool, fellows, Yes, 796 00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,920 Speaker 1: really cool. Thanks for thanks for dropping by, guys, um 797 00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,960 Speaker 1: and we did we did check in advance before before 798 00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,359 Speaker 1: they left, uh, to make sure we could use their 799 00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,000 Speaker 1: last names on the air, because ordinarily, you know, we're 800 00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,600 Speaker 1: not going to compromise somebody that way unless you're cool 801 00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:20,239 Speaker 1: with it. Our second shout out comes from Christopher W. 802 00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,200 Speaker 1: Who says, good afternoon, gentlemen. Just a quick note regarding 803 00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,040 Speaker 1: why Stalin had such a huge badger in his bag? 804 00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,480 Speaker 1: How did that become a catchphrase about Hitler and wanting 805 00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:33,200 Speaker 1: him alive? Shortly after consolidating his power, Hitler approach Stalin 806 00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,560 Speaker 1: with a non aggression pack and a plan to divide 807 00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:39,080 Speaker 1: Eastern Europe up between them once Germany conquered Europe. As 808 00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,520 Speaker 1: long as Stalin didn't have it didn't interfere. Stalin, for 809 00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,160 Speaker 1: some reason trusted Hitler, signed the pack and assumed he 810 00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,120 Speaker 1: could sit back and watch the capitalist world burn. But 811 00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:52,160 Speaker 1: when Hitler launched Operation Barbarosis, Stalin was infuriated. Not only 812 00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,120 Speaker 1: had Hitler lied to him, but he had believed him. 813 00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,680 Speaker 1: That's why U S British forces were weirder to stay 814 00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,960 Speaker 1: back and allow the Soviets to take Berlin. Stalin insisted 815 00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,120 Speaker 1: it upon his retribution, he wanted Hitler captured alive and 816 00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,960 Speaker 1: have him brought to the USSR to face Stalin's wrath personally. 817 00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,080 Speaker 1: And there's a conspiracy theory that holds this actually happened, 818 00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,480 Speaker 1: and Stalin kept Hitler alive for years, torturing him. A 819 00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,600 Speaker 1: very well researched yet sadly out of print novel called 820 00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,840 Speaker 1: The Burkoot explores the theory quite well, even though it 821 00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,920 Speaker 1: goes down a little off the rails at some points, 822 00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:28,640 Speaker 1: and I think that's a great recommendation. Christopher also asked, 823 00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,480 Speaker 1: what's the deal with Plumb Island off the tip of 824 00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,279 Speaker 1: Long Island. There's definitely stuff there they don't want us 825 00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,640 Speaker 1: to know. Thanks so much for writing, Chris. I'm going 826 00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,879 Speaker 1: to look into finding a copy of that book because 827 00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,480 Speaker 1: it sounds pretty interesting, And honestly, Stalin sounds like the 828 00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,279 Speaker 1: type of DUDEY would be into that. Wasn't that the 829 00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,720 Speaker 1: island that Hannibal Lecter wanted to live on in Silence 830 00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:51,440 Speaker 1: of the Lambs? Is it Plumb Island? So? I don't 831 00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:55,880 Speaker 1: know that that's interesting. It's been featured on several popular 832 00:51:55,920 --> 00:52:06,960 Speaker 1: conspiracy shows. Yeah, yes, Plumb Island, that's what he says, 833 00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:11,120 Speaker 1: Plumb Island. No, yes, that's where as a term of 834 00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,680 Speaker 1: his helping the FBI and their investigation, he gets them 835 00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:18,600 Speaker 1: to agree to relocate him to Plumb Island, where he 836 00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:20,640 Speaker 1: will be able to have a window but he can 837 00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:25,279 Speaker 1: see a tree. Oh I remember that. So was it 838 00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:29,040 Speaker 1: a like a prison? No? No, it's just a weird 839 00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:32,040 Speaker 1: little island. Oh God, that he that there's an inhabited 840 00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,160 Speaker 1: or something. That was the point. And our last shout 841 00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,239 Speaker 1: out comes from Reese, who says, Hi, guys, I love 842 00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,440 Speaker 1: your podcast. You're awesome. Thank you very much for saying that, 843 00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,880 Speaker 1: and I'm really happy that you're starting to do live shows. 844 00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:50,040 Speaker 1: I would suggest coming to Wisconsin, particularly Milwaukee or Madison. 845 00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:54,160 Speaker 1: Thanks and keep it up. Or as the Algonquins called it, Milliwauke, 846 00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:59,920 Speaker 1: which means the good land, very nice. And then that 847 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,680 Speaker 1: from Alice Cooper in Layne's World, the movie, Well, we 848 00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,560 Speaker 1: would love to visit you in Milliwauke. That would be 849 00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,399 Speaker 1: that would be fun. Yeah, and we want to think 850 00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:12,160 Speaker 1: everybody's been sending in suggestions of places to go. We've 851 00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,600 Speaker 1: got our eyes on it, so keep letting us know 852 00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,880 Speaker 1: where you would like to have us visit. Next This 853 00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:28,560 Speaker 1: concludes ours, but not our show. We're heading off to 854 00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:32,240 Speaker 1: dig deeper into more conspiracy theories. We will be back 855 00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,640 Speaker 1: next week. In the meantime, let us know what you 856 00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:39,200 Speaker 1: think about the Toynbee tiles. Do you think the mystery solved? 857 00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:44,719 Speaker 1: Are you the creator? Are you in the minority Association? 858 00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,360 Speaker 1: Were you a long time member like what are the 859 00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:51,000 Speaker 1: dues like for the minority Association? Are you the person 860 00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,840 Speaker 1: who had to do the typing? Let us know, yes, 861 00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,440 Speaker 1: and that's the end of this classic episode. If you 862 00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:02,440 Speaker 1: have any thoughts or question sctions about this episode, you 863 00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,480 Speaker 1: can get into contact with us in a number of 864 00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,640 Speaker 1: different ways. One of the best is to give us 865 00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:10,120 Speaker 1: a call. Our number is one eight three three std 866 00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,600 Speaker 1: w y t K. 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