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Two fatal flaws are when you build 19 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: a business is what your identity? What are you? I'm 20 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: a shopper, you're a company. When you put your name 21 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: out there, what do I think of? What are you? 22 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:14,479 Speaker 1: You need a strong identity in any business, including the NBA. 23 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: And the second big flaw in business to me is 24 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: you can't look in the mirror and own your stuff. 25 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: That's more the Yankees. I'll get to that in a second, 26 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: but it was interesting. Big story. Dave mcmannhmon ESPN running 27 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: a big, big story on the Lakers and why they 28 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: didn't do anything at the trade deadline because they're waiting 29 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: for a big move next year. And buried in this 30 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: article is a line if Lebron does want to play 31 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: next season, his twenty fourth, he would be welcomed back 32 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: in La sources tel ESBN. Really, Rob Polinka, what is 33 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: your identity pick a timeline. The Lakers are having an 34 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: identity crisis. If that indeed that source is right. You 35 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: can't get significantly more athletic. They need to significantly younger. 36 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: They need to go grab a rim protector and a 37 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 1: couple of elite three point shooters, catch and shoot guys 38 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 1: and have fifty million dollar Lebron in his forties. Okay, 39 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: Lebron's never going to be a role player. He's always 40 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: going to take oxygen out of the room in the offense. 41 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: And the prince has no power when the king is 42 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: still on the throne, and Lebron's the king and always 43 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: will be as long as he's a Laker, and Luke 44 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: is the prince, And so, I mean, can you imagine 45 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 1: a Lebron retirement to her? How distracting that would be? 46 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: So is this article is a prime example. It's just 47 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: poorly run. They have an identity crisis. They can't pick 48 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: a timeline. According to the story. If Lebron wants to 49 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: come back, he can, why should it be his choice? 50 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: And I'm pro Lebron. This team doesn't have enough shooters, defenders, 51 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: they're too old, they don't have a rim protector, they 52 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: have so many things they need multiple starters, And I'm 53 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: going to die. 54 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 3: On this hill. 55 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 1: Luca is going to be twenty seven in a couple days, 56 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: But Luca is going to be twenty nine in a 57 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: couple of years. And why does that number matter? Because 58 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: my comp for Luca, which is now acknowledged by a 59 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 1: lot of smart people, is that he's a better version 60 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: of Carmelo. Never been in great shape, profound offensive talent, 61 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: not really committed defensive end. When was Carmelo's last All 62 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: NBA year twenty eight years old? We are a year 63 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: away from that with Luca. He no longer dunks three 64 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: this year one last year. I was told he came 65 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: into the season in great shape doesn't look like it now. 66 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: His lifestyle choices. Hey, it's his life. He said last week. 67 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: I don't want to play like Lebron at forty one. 68 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: That's not his thing, man. So we always talk about 69 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: this in the NFL. How Super Bowl windows shrink really quickly. 70 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: Well for guys that aren't in great shape and not 71 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: committed defensively, you age very quickly. Luca's aging. You're gonna 72 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: look up in two years and still and maybe one 73 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 1: year off the Lebron retirement tour. He can be twenty eight, 74 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 1: twenty nine years old and you're gonna be like, we 75 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: blew the window. So the Lakers have got to figure 76 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: out what they are. Pick a direction, pick a timeline 77 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 1: to me get younger, get faster, get swifter, more shooters, 78 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 1: rim protector, and I know they got a lot of choices. 79 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 1: If you want to bring back Austin Reeves, fine, Luca, 80 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: JJ Redick, I love like here was Jason Timpf, the 81 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: from the volume talking about this roster, which until you 82 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: pick a direction. By the way, this is what OKC did. 83 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 1: They picked the timeline. Everybody's in on it. San Antonio 84 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: spur Let's tank. Pick the timeline, everybody in on it. 85 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 1: Detroit Piston several years ago. Let's get let's bottom out, 86 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 1: get our star, Kate Cunningham, build around his timeline. The 87 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: teams at the top of this league are all doing it, 88 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: and the Lakers are like, well, if Lebron wants to 89 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: come for one more year, why not maybe two? Here 90 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: was Jason temp yesterday. 91 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 4: This roster is utterly devoid of jump shooting, talent and 92 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 4: athleticism down the roster. And I think where this is 93 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 4: really started to mount up on Rob Polinka is the missus. 94 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 4: They need three new starters. Lebron's gonna be leaving. You 95 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 4: need three new starters, and they need to build out 96 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 4: a bench. They have nobody on the roster who is 97 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 4: both a good defender and a good catch and shoot player. Literally, 98 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 4: not a single one. They are at such a huge 99 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 4: disadvantage in this department. 100 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked about it. And by the way, you 101 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 1: can solve a lot of problems in this league very quickly. 102 00:05:55,520 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: Spurs did. Okay See did. But they picked a lane 103 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: and a timeline and a direction. And now when you 104 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,919 Speaker 1: think of okay See, you think best defensive team. 105 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 3: Maybe. 106 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: Ever, when you think Spurs, you're like built around Wemby 107 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: young defend. I mean, they still haven't won a lot 108 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 1: of playoffs, maybe rural the reasons of the All Star 109 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: Game means so much for Wemby. He hadn't won a 110 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: big playoffs series. They don't want a playoff series yet, 111 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: but you know it's coming. Okay. So I want to 112 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: talk about the Yankees, by the way, because I read 113 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: a story this morning, and I'll get to Aaron Judge 114 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: in a second. But the other part of business, that 115 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 1: is something you have to do. You have to self 116 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: audit all the time. The Yankees do not self audit. 117 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: They don't look themselves in the mirror. So it used 118 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: to be the Yankees were the most aggressive team in baseball. 119 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: Now they're not the most aggressive team in their own division. 120 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: That's Toronto, or even in their city, that's the Mets. 121 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: So the Yankees brought back twenty four of their twenty 122 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: six guys. They spent two hundred million in free agency, 123 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 1: but it was just resigning their free agents, right. And 124 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: what's interesting is do they not see their deficiencies? Are 125 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: they self auditing? They don't run the base as well. 126 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: They're not very athletic. They come in a lot of errors, 127 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: and they're totally home run dependent. In fact, since their 128 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: last World Series win, they lead Major League Baseball in 129 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: home runs and don't have another World Series win. So 130 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: it's really lobsided and it's not necessarily working. Last year, 131 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: when they hit multiple home runs, they had the best 132 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: record in baseball. When they didn't, they had the third 133 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: worst record in baseball. Meaning it's an uneven roster. It's 134 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: not athletic enough. The bullpen is very mid. They're starting pitching. 135 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: Their big promise this year. Their hope is Garrett Coleoff 136 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: Tommy John comes back in July or August. He won't 137 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: be one hundred percent, but it will give them excellent 138 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: starting pitching. Okay, are they better defensively? Not really? Are 139 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: they super athletic not? When you watch them play anybody 140 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: outside of the American League Central, they're not. So this 141 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: is the prime example where the Lakers can't pick a direction. 142 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: The Yankees have. We're going to jack home runs, but 143 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: it's not paying off. I mean, when you watch them 144 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: in the World Series a couple of years ago against 145 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: the Dodgers, you're like, man, they're bad athletically, Like they're not. 146 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: They don't they don't take the extra base, they commit 147 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: a lot of errors, they strand a lot of runners, 148 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: and they're totally home run dependent, which is great against 149 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: bad teams with low end pitching. 150 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 2: It's not. 151 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: I mean the Yankees and the Lakers have a similar problem. 152 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: They don't beat playoff teams. Yankees last year at a 153 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: losing record against playoff teams, Lakers this year. So two 154 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: different problems. One can't pick a direction the Yankees have, 155 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: but they can't look in the mirror. And so I 156 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: was looking this morning at the last ten playoff series 157 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 1: wins for the Yankees. See if you see a trend 158 00:08:55,400 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: Twins Indians, Twins Indians, Guardians, r Oils, Guardians as the 159 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: Red Sox last year. I mean, they're beating the American 160 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:13,199 Speaker 1: League Central, which is a lower revenue division, does not 161 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: have elite pitching. So the Yankees get multiple home runs 162 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: against that, they're not getting multiple home runs against the 163 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: good staffs, and they have a losing record. So here's 164 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: Aaron judge on the offseason. The Yankees eventually did sign 165 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: two hundred million dollars worth of free agents, but it 166 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: was all their own guys telling me is they can't 167 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: sell on it. They can't look in the mirror. Here's 168 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: Aaron Judge. It was brutal. 169 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 5: You know, I'm like, I see a lot of free 170 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 5: agents out there. I'm seeing other teams around the league 171 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 5: get better. They're making trades, they're signing big prospects or 172 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 5: big players, and you know, we kind of were sitting 173 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 5: there for a while, you know, kind of making smaller 174 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 5: moves early on. It was pretty pretty tough to watch them, Like, man, 175 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 5: we're the New York Yankees. 176 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: It was frustrating, But I think ornither me. 177 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 5: Did you express any of that to them? 178 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, had some discussions, all right, Jay Matcott's good 179 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: to have you back. Very interesting. The what you don't 180 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: want to get happened to you in the NFL. You 181 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: don't want to get trapped, yeah, and you don't want 182 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: to romanticize about the players you have. So a lot 183 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: of times you win a Super Bowl and the good 184 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: gms make really hard decisions and move off popular players 185 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: who may have even been like a like a like 186 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 1: a legendary Super Bowl player. Interesting story out of Seattle 187 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: on the Seahawks and Kenneth Walker. And this is one 188 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:47,719 Speaker 1: of the best gms, if not the best GM, right, 189 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: Now in football, it's very easy to re sign the 190 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: players that were good in big games, But do you 191 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: is that the best for you going forward? 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And then 209 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: in the article there's this line and I'm like, wait, 210 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: what what? What in the line is Well, according to 211 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: a source, if Lebron wants to come back next year 212 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: in LA, he can and might take his okay pick 213 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: a timeline, Nita rim protector, multiple young athletic wing defenders, 214 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: multiple shooters. It's not that Lebron's not good, but the 215 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: Lakers moved off Shack and he was beloved in LA 216 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: and had three titles and they moved off him, and 217 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: it hurt for a year, But they moved off him 218 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: because they had a young star in Kobe Bryant who 219 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:30,199 Speaker 1: was an obsessed in great shape player. Lucas not Luca's 220 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: twenty seven in a week like Carmelo Anthony, whose last 221 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: great All NBA year was twenty eight years old. Luca's 222 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 1: not dunking anymore. Three this year, won last year. He 223 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: doesn't appear again to be in great shape, has very 224 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 1: casual interest in defending. It's very Carmelo and I've said 225 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: you're going to wake up very quickly with the Lakers 226 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: and go oh, Luca's twenty nine years old and we're 227 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: playing around with Lebron's retirement tours. It's not that Lebron 228 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: hasn't been a good soldier and a great player and 229 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 1: an all time legend and the best player ever, not 230 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: I and any of that. OKC said, we're picking a timeline, 231 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: san Antonio said. Detroit said, we're picking a timeline. You 232 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: get into trouble when you're the Warriors and you have 233 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 1: old Steph and old Draymond. We'll try to get young, 234 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: but I don't love being young. We're gonna still be old. 235 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 1: We'll try. You pick a timeline, which which direction you're going? 236 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 1: So to me, I mean the Dodgers in the Rams 237 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: move off stars all the time. You can't be paralyzed 238 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: by this. We're not in Memphis. In La, John Iran, 239 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: we can't move off him or the Pelicans was Zion. 240 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 1: What will the fans say? Nobody cares. It's La. They 241 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: moved off a Super Bowl quarterback. In golf, they move 242 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: off Von Miller, they move off Todd Gurley. Dodgers move 243 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: off Cody Bellinger, Trey Turner, Scott Seger, great player, Maddy Machado. 244 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 1: It's La. You know you'll you'll find somebody else, but 245 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: I the whole. I mean Jason Timpf yesterday brought the 246 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: hammer on Rob Polinka. This roster has multiple holes in it. 247 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 4: There have just been too many misses. Draft misses, like 248 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 4: wasting first round picks on Jalen Hoodshafino and Dalton Connect 249 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 4: and getting nothing out of those guys. Can't even play 250 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 4: him or they're out of the league. Free agent missus 251 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 4: Jordan Goodwin was like a really important player for them 252 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,319 Speaker 4: last year. They let him walk because they didn't want 253 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 4: to spend a second round pick to clear a roster spot, 254 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 4: so they let him walk. Now he's killing it for 255 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 4: the Phoenix Suns this year, letting Alex Crusoe walk, batching 256 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 4: their mid level exception choices every year on Kendrick Nunn 257 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 4: and on Gabe Vincent. Like nobody's perfect on this stuff. 258 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 4: Calling it's hard, but no one's been as dreadfully bad 259 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 4: on the margins. 260 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I and I always like bringing Nick right 261 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: on anytime there's a connection not only to the NBA 262 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: but to Lebron James, who is still a remarkable player. 263 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: He's been a good steward, he's been a good laker, 264 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: But this is an organization that moved off Shack. And 265 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: I remember at the time, Shaq was more popular than 266 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: Kobe and at the time in those championships, he was 267 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: more dominant than Kobe. And with that Nick right, who's 268 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: in La joins us Live. You know, it is interesting 269 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: I said this earlier. As long as the king is 270 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: wearing is on the throne, the prince can't run your organization. 271 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: Luca is the prince. Lebron's the king, and if he's there, 272 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: your timelines are messed up. You're not really totally Luca's team. 273 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: Who is a flawed player like Carmelo, He's a flawed player. 274 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: He's gotten less dynamic, he doesn't dunk there. I mean, 275 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: I guess we'll go back and I'll ask you again, 276 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: what do you do with the Lebron Lebron component here? 277 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: The article says, well, if he wants to come back, 278 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: he gets to come back. And I think he's going 279 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: to be twenty nine in two years. He's an aging player. 280 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, So I don't think this is you know, 281 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 6: I'm not reporting this, This is I have not This 282 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 6: is just my gut opinion. I do not believe Lebron 283 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 6: James is retiring, and I do not believe Lebron James 284 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 6: will be a Laker next year. I think wherever the 285 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 6: final chapter is going to be will be somewhere else. 286 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 6: I also think to Jason Timp's point that it is 287 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 6: a basketball crime that you had Lebron James on your roster, 288 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 6: who Luca modeled his game after, and the types of 289 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 6: players that you need to have around an older Lebron 290 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 6: James to succeed are the exact types of players you 291 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 6: need to have around Luke at Anjiic. Yes, and they 292 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 6: trade for Luke at Anjiic and we're more than a 293 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 6: year removed, and they're like, man, we sure don't have 294 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 6: the right types of guys around him. 295 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 3: It was you were. You should have been ready. 296 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 6: To have Luke on the team because you had a 297 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 6: guy who offensively plays. 298 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 3: Very similarly and as. 299 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 6: At this point in his career a lot of the 300 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 6: same limitations because Lebron at forty one isn't a great defender. 301 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 6: Does you know you do need young athletic wings a 302 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 6: lot of the same things you need around Luca, and 303 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,239 Speaker 6: the Lakers have just whiffed on that. It feels to 304 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 6: me like the Lakers have acted as if they have 305 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 6: been put out by the fact that Lebron didn't deteriorate 306 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:18,479 Speaker 6: more quickly and more precipitously like that their whole plan 307 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 6: was well. By twenty twenty three, Lebron will be sixteen 308 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 6: points a game. 309 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 3: Like every other year. Twenty guy and we can start. 310 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 6: But Lebron was sixth in MVP voting last year. And 311 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 6: this is the danger that I think the Lakers have run. 312 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 6: I think it is very if they do not get Yannis, 313 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 6: and there is no guarantee at all they will get Yannis. 314 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 6: I think there is a very good chance that five 315 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 6: years from now, if we say who was the best 316 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:55,120 Speaker 6: teammate Luca ever had on the Lakers, the answer would 317 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 6: have been last year's Lebron James, And the second best 318 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 6: teammate might be this year Austin Reeves and this year 319 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 6: and third best this year's Lebron James. So you are 320 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:08,959 Speaker 6: not the fact that they traded for Luca, punted on 321 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 6: the last deadline, basically punted on this offseason, and are 322 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 6: now punted on this deadline. It forget Lebron. You are 323 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 6: giving up years of Luca's prime and your opportunity to contend. 324 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 3: It's incredibly risky. 325 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 6: It's not the moves I would make, But I have 326 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 6: been highly critical of how Rob Blinka's run the Lakers. 327 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 6: I give him credit, he didn't hang up on Nico Harrison, 328 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 6: But aside from that, I don't think there have been 329 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:39,959 Speaker 6: a lot of great moves. 330 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 3: And this isn't about Lebron. 331 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 6: It is about the fact that Luca, who I believe 332 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 6: has the ability to be a multi time league MVP, 333 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 6: might be at the peak of his powers and you're like, eh, 334 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 6: you know, we're probably a second round team this year 335 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,719 Speaker 6: and we're okay with that. You should never be okay 336 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 6: with that when you have a player as good as 337 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 6: Luca at the age Luca. 338 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 3: Is so yeah. 339 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:07,159 Speaker 1: I was saying yesterday, I'm not actually pro tanking, but 340 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:11,479 Speaker 1: when the NBA and Adam Silver create these aprons and 341 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: they literally limit with a hard cap other avenues to 342 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: go from unwatchable to good, I get Danny Ainge going 343 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 1: and the Spurs going, well, let's tank for a couple 344 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: of years and get players. By the way, if you 345 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 1: look at the Spurs, well, the tanking thing worked, and 346 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: the Pistons it worked. Okay, see didn't. But I'm looking 347 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: at the Jazz and my take is if the Jazz 348 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: get Peterson from Kansas, okay, watch out next year. Because 349 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 1: they have a lot of young talent. So you can 350 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 1: tell me tanking's awful. It's been around forever. There's more 351 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 1: of it now, But I think there's more of it 352 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: now that David Stern allowed you to rebuild your team 353 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: multiple ways. You could be transactional, you could get a KD, 354 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: you could trade for shak. Now it's like Tank and 355 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: all these jams. Right, Well, how do we go from 356 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: the Wizards and the Jazz three years ago to this 357 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: a top team? So what how do you solve tanking? 358 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: If it's so bad. I don't think it's bad for 359 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: San Antonio, the Pistons, or the Jazz. Well, so here's 360 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: the thing. I do think it's bad for the Jazz. 361 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 1: Thus far, it's been bad for the Jazz. We'll see 362 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: the Pistons got to the other side. 363 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 6: San Antonio had unbelievable lottery luck, and good for them. 364 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 3: They're a well run organization. 365 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 6: If someone's gonna get lucky, I'm glad it's an organization 366 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,640 Speaker 6: that has history of trying and doing things the right way. 367 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 6: I don't blame individual teams for doing what is logically coherent. 368 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 3: To the path. 369 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 6: Yes, I blame the league massively for allowing these incentives 370 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 6: to exist. It is an untenable model that everyone says, 371 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 6: when Giannis doesn't get traded, oh okay, the smart thing 372 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 6: for Milwaukee is to not play Giannis the rest of 373 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 6: the year. It is an untenable model for the Hawks 374 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,880 Speaker 6: to trade for Trey Young and Anthony Davis and all 375 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 6: us assume, but they're not going to play this year 376 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,719 Speaker 6: because they don't want to win games this year. I 377 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 6: am fine with teams making roster decisions in the offseason 378 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 6: or at the deadline that say we are looking forward 379 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 6: to years down the road, we are going to trade 380 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 6: away older. 381 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 3: Or better players for draft picks. That's fine. What I 382 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 3: am not. 383 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 6: Fine with is teams actively once you have the roster 384 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 6: that you have not trying to win games, or teams 385 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 6: sitting healthy guys. That is flatly bad for business. And 386 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 6: so there are I think Adam Silver needs a bit 387 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 6: of a harsher hand and threatened teams like Summing. 388 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:43,479 Speaker 3: Day taken up. 389 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: David Starn got on the phone and threatened people, GMS, 390 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 1: everybody except owners, and so. 391 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 6: That thing that Utah did before the All Star break. 392 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,919 Speaker 6: We're in back to back games for the fourth quarter 393 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 6: of games, Sat their best players. I would be totally 394 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,919 Speaker 6: fine with Adam Silver calling up the Jazz after the 395 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:03,959 Speaker 6: first time they did that and say, I'm letting you 396 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 6: know right now, if you do that or something that 397 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 6: reminds me of that again, your pick is thirtieth. Next 398 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 6: year you're out of the lottery. You're picking thirtieth. Fight 399 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 6: me in NBA arbitration, but I am going to make 400 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 6: that ruling. I would be fine with Adam Silver making 401 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 6: it very clear if you are doing things that are 402 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 6: against the competitive integrity of the sport, the penalty will 403 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 6: be Joe Smith level harsh to get people to. 404 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 3: Stop doing it. 405 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 6: I'd also be okay with them saying here's how it's 406 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 6: going to be. The ten teams that are not play 407 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 6: in or playoffs, the bottom ten teams in the league, 408 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 6: they all have a ten the same lottery odds, and 409 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 6: if a team we see a team tanking out of 410 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 6: the play in to get one of those, you're picking thirtieth. 411 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 6: And because right now the incentives are so misaligned that 412 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 6: they're is not it is the smart thing to do 413 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 6: for individual teams, and it is the worst thing to 414 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 6: do for the overall health of the league or respect 415 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 6: to your customer. You can't have those things be contradictory 416 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 6: like that. 417 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 1: I always think too that a league is going to 418 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:22,199 Speaker 1: tweak itself when really smart people are struggling. Pat Riley 419 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: now can't figure out how to make the heat good, 420 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: and the Warriors can't figure out how to make it work. 421 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 1: We know that pat Riley and Steve Kerr, Mickey Harrison 422 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 1: the Owner, and Joe Lake, those are really well run organizations. 423 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: Miami and Golden State have become irrelevant. That tells me, Okay, 424 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: this is too hard. It's getting too hard for the 425 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: smart people. I mean, if you literally went to the 426 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: NFL and mcveigh's like, I can't win anymore, You've probably 427 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,640 Speaker 1: made it too much of a defensive league. There's things 428 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: getting in the way of smart people. So that we 429 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 1: move into the Warriors, and my take is never fall 430 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: in love with your stars, fallen like they've tried to 431 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,640 Speaker 1: make everybody fit Curry. The Kaming thing's a disaster. There's 432 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: no way out. I get it again. They're in the 433 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: y honest, take a gigantic Swain, give up all your 434 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: draft capital. Do you blame the Warriors un falling in 435 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: love with Korea? Would you have moved off him years ago. 436 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 6: What do you know I would have gone the opposite. 437 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 6: I blame them maybe for not loving Steph enough. I 438 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 6: think what they've done the last few years is basketball criminal. 439 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 6: I think that you have an obligation when you have 440 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 6: one of let's be you know, conservative here fifteen greatest 441 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 6: players in the history of the sport, and he ain't fifteen. 442 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 3: He's higher than that. 443 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:45,360 Speaker 6: Yeah, still at or near the peak of his powers. 444 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 6: You have an obligation to only care about his timeline. 445 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 6: This was my frustration with Lebron at the end of 446 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,880 Speaker 6: his time in Cleveland, when we knew it was ending, 447 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 6: but he was still by a large margin the. 448 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 3: Best player in basketball. 449 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 6: In twenty eighteen, when they had to trade Kyrie, they 450 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 6: could have done a Kyrie Paul George trade, but the 451 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 6: owner in Cleveland was like, no, we need a draft 452 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 6: pick for the post Lebron era, and the post Lebron 453 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 6: era was five years of nothing, and that draft pick 454 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 6: was Colin Sexton. The Warriors two timeline thing was a farce, 455 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 6: and they ended up kind of stealing a championship in 456 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 6: twenty twenty two, despite the fact that Wiseman Moody Kaminga 457 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 6: contributed very little, and that papered over the fact that 458 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 6: they got were very fortunate that post KD. They had 459 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 6: the year where Steph broke his hand and they were awful, 460 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 6: and they had made some shrewd moves that they then 461 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 6: could have restocked their team with guys ready to win now. 462 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 3: But they I thought that they had. 463 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 6: A little light years ahead arrogance, thinking we're going to 464 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 6: be great with Steph and then when he retired, we're 465 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,880 Speaker 6: gonna be man John Wiseman and Jonathan Kaminga. We're never 466 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 6: gonna be Stephan clay right, And you were dopes for 467 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 6: you had you have one of the greatest players ever 468 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 6: and one of the greatest wingmen ever. 469 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,439 Speaker 3: And they didn't go all in on that era. And 470 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:15,360 Speaker 3: now they are. 471 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 6: Stuck in the middle where they they traded Kaminga as 472 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 6: you know, low as possible value, Jimmy got hurt, and 473 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 6: now Steph who is who is the greatest old small 474 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 6: player ever? He's already the greatest small player ever. But 475 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 6: we've never seen a small guy age like this, stocked 476 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 6: and close. 477 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 3: But not as good as Steph. 478 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 6: He's just twisting in the wind for the final years 479 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 6: of his. 480 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:42,400 Speaker 1: Excellence, and that's a shame one NFL question. I wouldn't 481 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 1: I think, been there, done that on uh, Tyreek Hill. 482 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 1: I think Kansas City's got to get their O line 483 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 1: and run game right. I'd actually trade picks if I 484 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: could get love from Notre Dame and get the running 485 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: game solved. I think your O line Simmons will be 486 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: fine at left tackle. I don't think you need to 487 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: go back Tyreek Hill. There's off field stuff. He's kind 488 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 1: of distracted. And the truth is now the way the 489 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: defenses and the shells are defensively in the NFL, people 490 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 1: aren't giving up the Tyreek Hill touchdowns like they used to. Sure, 491 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 1: but you're a Chiefs fan. You've got a sense of it. 492 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: You Is there part of you that thinks, man, he 493 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: could be what worthy? Isn't volume and over the top? 494 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 6: I don't know, so I listen. I said on TV 495 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 6: two years ago that I thought Tyreek Hill would be 496 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 6: a Chief in twenty twenty six. I said on TV 497 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 6: at the beginning of this football season that I thought 498 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 6: Tyreek Kill would be a Chief next year. The combination 499 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 6: of what is a growing volume of really let's call 500 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 6: him ugly allegations to be kind off the field. What 501 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 6: is not allegations just on the record, awful teammate stuff, 502 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 6: with the way it ended the last year in Miami 503 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 6: and him going from being in love with Tua to 504 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,160 Speaker 6: a big public you know, critic of tuy Even if 505 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 6: that's fair, it's not good from your highest paid player 506 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 6: and your best player on your team, and just on 507 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 6: the field, real concern of a guy whose entire skill 508 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 6: set was based around he was the single best athlete 509 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,159 Speaker 6: in the world, arguably for a period of time, certainly 510 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 6: in the NFL, coming off a catastrophic knee injury. All 511 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:30,159 Speaker 6: of those things make it from if he signed with 512 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 6: the Chiefs for five million bucks, Okay, see if fine, 513 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 6: but that it is not a priority. It should not 514 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 6: be something you base your offseason round. If he wants 515 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 6: to take a massive discount to try. 516 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 3: To prove to people he can still do it. 517 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 6: And you know, if the off field stuff, you know, 518 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 6: does not keep him out of football and does not continue, 519 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 6: then I suppose. 520 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 3: But I also I'm. 521 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 6: An adult, and I understand it's professional football and you're 522 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 6: not gonna have a team full of Walter and Man 523 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 6: and the year winners. However, yeah, that right, Now, the 524 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 6: guys on the Chiefs my team, they don't have a 525 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 6: lot of guys who have off the field concerns, but 526 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 6: the guys they do are clustered in that wide receiver room. 527 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 6: And then you bring Tyreek in as well. That would be. 528 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 3: Concerning, to say the least. And so it is. 529 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 6: I thought it was a fade accompany a couple of 530 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 6: years ago. He'll finish his career in Kansas City. Now 531 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 6: it seems like they could have him for you know, 532 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 6: pretty cheap, so maybe he will, but it is not 533 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 6: a priority the way I would have thought it was 534 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 6: a couple of years ago. 535 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 1: So I want to circle back to something of the 536 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: Lakers because this is and I think we both like 537 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: doing this. Is that I said four years ago when 538 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: the world fell in love with Luca and I did 539 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: two in the first two to three years. I said, 540 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: he's really become a much better version of Carmelo. He's 541 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: not in great shape, doesn't want to really defend. And 542 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 1: most of the guys that win Rings d Wade, Lebron, 543 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: Kobe Duncan Shack at least four prime years. They defend. 544 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: They send the message that we're going to play both ends. Wemby, 545 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: By the way, we're gonna play both ends. Steph Curry's limited, 546 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: but they surrounded him with people that could. I've said 547 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: this on Luca, two things gonna be true. He's an 548 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: all time great offensive talent. He's twenty seven in a week. 549 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 1: Carmelo Anthony's last all NBA year was twenty eight. We 550 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: know this to be true. Athletes age differently. Brady obsessed, 551 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: Lebron obsessed, age beautifully. Guys that you know, do what 552 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: I want in the offseason, may have some smokes and 553 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: a couple of Belgian beers. My take on Luca is, 554 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: and I want to throw this out there, is you're 555 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: going to look up in two years messing around with 556 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: Lebron's retirement tour, and Luca is going to be twenty nine. 557 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: And Nick, it's gonna feel like those that last great 558 00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: year with Carmelo. You're like, he's aged quickly. I guess 559 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: I'm not in love with Luca as much as everybody 560 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: else is. 561 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 6: So I would use a different comp And this guy 562 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 6: also has not won. But it's reason for more optimism 563 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 6: because Luca does not remind me of Carmelo. He reminds 564 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 6: me of James Harden, except Luca is an all time 565 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 6: playoff riser, while Harden was an all time playoff faller. Stylistically, 566 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 6: ball dominant, shot selection, all of that, being a great passer, 567 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 6: ingrade scorer is similar to Harden. You know, off season 568 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 6: work habits maybe similar to Harden. You know, body fat 569 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 6: percentage maybe similar to Harden. 570 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 3: But James Harden, despite all. 571 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 6: Of that, he he was and he has. 572 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 3: Played a very long time still at a very high 573 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 3: level in the regular season. 574 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 6: He obviously is, you know, a different type of all 575 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 6: time guy. When it comes to legendary athletes who are 576 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 6: just every single year a shell of themselves in the postseason. 577 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 3: That is not Luca's been. 578 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 6: Luca has been was I think is the second all 579 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 6: time in NBA history and playoff points per game. He 580 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 6: has I think the fourteenth most forty point games in 581 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 6: playoff history. Already, He's been a great playoff performer. Now 582 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 6: you need to surround him with the right people. You 583 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 6: need to understand he is not the easiest guy to 584 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 6: build around. But the MAVs figured it out. The MAVs 585 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 6: they went to a conference finals. They had a down year. 586 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 6: They were in the NBA Finals ahead of schedule with Luca. 587 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 3: So I disagree with you on that. 588 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 4: I don't. 589 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 3: I think he is. 590 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 6: Carmelo did one thing awesome, score the basketball. Luca is 591 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,479 Speaker 6: one of the greatest creators of offense and an offense 592 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 6: unto himself, similar to Harden, but unlike Harden. 593 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 3: He's a great playoff player. 594 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 6: So I think Luca will have a longer prime than 595 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 6: you think. But I also think that it's he won't 596 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 6: ever be better than he is right now. He's not 597 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 6: going to become a great defender. No, he's not go 598 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 6: where he's not going to improve. 599 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 3: I don't believe as a player. 600 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 6: I think he can maintain and you can build a contender. 601 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 3: Out of that if you know what you're doing good. 602 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 1: Similarly, Harden all NBA stuff, seven awards, thirty and before 603 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: one since So Harden's actually aged very quickly. I think 604 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: that's why life. I mean, I think Harden. You're right 605 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: Harden and Luca. Harden's a very good distributor, great vision. 606 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 1: Luca similarly, So maybe it's a bad comp but I'll 607 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: say Carmelo age quickly. Luca no longer dunks. It's more 608 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 1: cerebral than athletic. Harden age very quickly like this this 609 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 1: pro So that's fair, like. 610 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 6: You you are it is we need to not be 611 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 6: tricked by Lebron's age trajectory or Brady. Lebron and Brady 612 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 6: are in separate categories entirely, and then like Drew Brees, 613 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 6: Steph Curry are in separate categories also, and then there's 614 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 6: everybody else, Like there is the once in a millennia 615 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 6: outlier of Brady and Lebron into their forties still being excellent. 616 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 6: Then there is the once in twenty five years outlier 617 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 6: of Breeze at age forty still being good, Steph at 618 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 6: thirty eight as a six to two guy, still being 619 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,799 Speaker 6: really good. And then we get to Okay, the modern athlete, 620 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,720 Speaker 6: instead of peaking at twenty seven, might be peaking at thirty. 621 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 6: But there's still a ticking clock on that. So I 622 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 6: agree with you, like it is foolish to think, oh, 623 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 6: the Lakers have ten years to figure this out with Luca. 624 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:39,879 Speaker 3: No, I think they. 625 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:44,279 Speaker 6: I think he will be an MVP candidate for the 626 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 6: next five years. But that means that means you your 627 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 6: window is right now. That means right now you should 628 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 6: be trying to win the championship and what's frustrating me 629 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 6: at the Lakers is last year and this year it 630 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 6: did not feel like they were trying to win the championship. 631 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 6: It was like, oh, will be good, and then we'll 632 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 6: see when we're and Giannis might not come, and if 633 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,239 Speaker 6: Gianna doesn't come, they're like, we're gonna have all this 634 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 6: cap space. In the modern NBA, cap space is not 635 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 6: that valuable because. 636 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 3: Nobody comes a free agent. Guys. 637 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 6: Guys instead of becoming free agents, they ask for contract extensions, 638 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 6: then demand a trade. They don't let the contract expire. 639 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 6: So I don't know what the plan is. I hope 640 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 6: your Dodgers guys can get the Lakers on the right track, 641 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 6: but I am not optimistic under the current regime. 642 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: Nick Right, First things first in La this week, just 643 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,839 Speaker 1: hanging out. Good see anybody, great to see you, all right? Yeah, 644 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 1: I would say Luca is gonna be elite for about 645 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: three more years. I think, you know, twenty eight, because 646 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 1: he's almost twenty. Was he twenty seven? Here real quick? 647 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:50,359 Speaker 1: Twenty seven this year, next year following year, and then 648 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,879 Speaker 1: go look at James Harden Carmelo twenty eight went down. 649 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 1: That was his last great year. Twenty nine Harden thirty 650 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:58,840 Speaker 1: not the same player. I think Luca is gonna be 651 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 1: the same thing. Lucas in great shape. He was coming 652 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 1: into the season. Look at him now, he looks heavier. 653 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 1: The data tells you he's still very slow defender. Like 654 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 1: this is what he is. I'm not anti anything. I'm 655 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: just telling you what the data tells you. Like NFL 656 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 1: wide receiver thirty four years old, it all changes. It's 657 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,800 Speaker 1: called biology in Chicago. 658 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 2: It's be sure to catch live editions of the Herd 659 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,880 Speaker 2: weekdays and noone Easter. There not a Empacific. 660 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 1: So Urban Myers coming Nick Nick Nick right and I talked, 661 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I don't think you want twenty 662 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 1: seven teams in your league tanking, But I think Mark 663 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: Cuban's point is one that we should listen to. I 664 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,400 Speaker 1: just for the record, I just saw the NBA. Was 665 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 1: it last year sign this massive deal with Amazon, ESPN 666 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 1: and NBC. It's like seventy five billion dollars. Well, there 667 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 1: was tanking for years. There's been tanking for thirty years, 668 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 1: and they still got their money. I just watched the 669 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 1: All Star Game ratings. They were the highest in like 670 00:36:53,960 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 1: fifteen years, and there's been tanking. I mean NBC, the 671 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: NBA got their money, the NBA got their ratings. I 672 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 1: mean the Saturday Night dun contest has kind of played out, 673 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 1: but you know it lasted for a while. So what 674 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,719 Speaker 1: is the tanking really doing to the NBA. Well, it's 675 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 1: anti sports again. It doesn't seem to be hurting the 676 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 1: bottom line. I mean, the ratings are up and they 677 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,720 Speaker 1: got their money, and nobody in San Antonio's complaining about Wimby. 678 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 1: The bigger issue is, as Mark Cuban points out, as 679 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 1: all these aprons make it impossible to transactionally quickly rebuild 680 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,719 Speaker 1: your team. You can't do it anymore. So I said 681 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 1: this yesterday multiple times with John when John W. Jmack 682 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,960 Speaker 1: wasn't I said multiple times the NBA needs to do more. 683 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: NFL and Baseball give owners and gms multiple routes to rebuild. 684 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,440 Speaker 1: The current NBA model is draft and develop. Hope your 685 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 1: fans are patient and so, I don't know. Here's Nick 686 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 1: right last hour on the tanking problem in the league. 687 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:09,319 Speaker 6: I don't blame individual teams for doing what is logically 688 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 6: coherent to the path. I blame the league massively for 689 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 6: allowing these incentives to exist. I am fine with teams 690 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 6: making roster decisions in the offseason or at the deadline 691 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,439 Speaker 6: that say we are looking forward to years down the road, 692 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 6: we are going to trade away older or better players 693 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:30,960 Speaker 6: for draft picks. 694 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 3: That's fine. What I am not fine with is teams 695 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 3: actively once. 696 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 6: You have the roster that you have, not trying to 697 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,840 Speaker 6: win games, or teams sitting healthy guys. That is flatly 698 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,280 Speaker 6: bad for business. 699 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:48,480 Speaker 1: Mark Cuban disagrees.