WEBVTT - Part Two: Oskar Dirlwanger: The Worst Nazi 0:00:02.279 --> 0:00:06.840 Oh, Welcome to Behind the Bastards, the drivetime radio podcast 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:11.160 that gets you to your work rocking with are all 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:16.000 our old friends Hitler and Ryan hard Heidrick all the boys. 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:22.760 Hell yeah, Hitler and his friends, Hitler and his friends. Wow. 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:28.360 So everybody, this is Robert Evans with my with my 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:32.160 guests for today this week Matt leeb has Matt has 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:35.240 one of those boxes that radio DJs have that's makes 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:38.160 sounds on demand. And I'm gonna tell you right now, 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:40.760 this is going to be a nightmare for all of you. 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:45.920 I'm very excited. It's the only way you can actually 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:51.120 inject levity into Nazi atrocities is occasional air horn a horn, 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:54.960 you know, and then some cool, funky beats. Yeah yeah, 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:57.680 a couple of a couple of pops. Yeah, Oh my god, 0:00:57.680 --> 0:01:00.800 it's a few stings in there. Man. Honest. I've always 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:03.440 said Behind the Bastards needs to be more like a 0:01:03.880 --> 0:01:08.600 Morning Zoo Fia exactly. Yeah. We could. We we could 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:10.560 get like a deep fake of l Ron Hubbard to 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:13.240 like come in and be against every now and again 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:16.240 and talk about how to kidnap his baby the best. 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:23.479 Welcome to Boner and the Nord Tell you today we're 0:01:23.520 --> 0:01:34.160 talking about Ryan hard Hydra more like ryanrd Hydra. Ye. Sorry, 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:38.600 I'm so sorry. We've really, really all the goodwill that 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:41.720 we've built up for years of carefully doing this podcast 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:45.720 shattered in a second, gone because of my new equipment. Dude, 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:48.800 this this came with it. I don't understand. I don't 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:51.120 need it. It just was like, oh, here's a pad 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:53.720 for sounds. And I was like when you hear about 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:57.720 like people's who being introduced to the global economy having 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:00.440 not ever been brought in before, and suddenly like Coca 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:03.800 Cola comes to them like that at no point of 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:07.640 their ancestors ever processed that amount of sugar. It causes 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:11.440 serious health problems. That's what's happening to me. With access 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:15.240 to this device that you now, I am going to 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:19.720 destroy myself and my show. Um yes, I am someone liberated, 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:23.760 liberated from a work camp who gets a Hershey bar 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:34.680 and exactly it's just too much. Oh boy, So times 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:37.720 we should probably start this episode by talking about what 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:40.840 it means to be a hunter or a poacher right 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:43.800 in Nazi Germany. What Because it's not as simple as 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:46.600 you'd think, right. Poaching is a serious crime, a lot 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:49.119 of the laws that people are getting arrested under date 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:51.360 back to the days when the Kaiser and other nobles 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:53.040 are like the only people who are allowed to hunt, 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:55.639 or at least allowed to hunt in certain areas and right, 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:57.800 because you've got like a king and you've got dukes, 0:02:57.800 --> 0:02:59.560 and it's like, well, these are the nice deer and 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:01.720 only they may hunt them. And you know, or in 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:05.280 this woods, all of the game belonged to this noble thing. 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:07.640 It was like I thought it was weird. I was 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:11.840 like poachers. It was it a legal, it's certain game. 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:14.600 It always is, right because you don't want number one, 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:17.360 the Nazis, it must be said, we're kind of ahead 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:20.080 of the curve when it came to like attitudes towards 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:24.280 animal welfs environmental preservation. So there is some some of 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:26.200 this is that like they have laws because it's like, what, 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:28.560 we don't want to do damage to this ecosystem. But 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:32.960 paradoxes of Nazism is like when Hitler is like, I'm 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:41.520 a vegetarian, like I dislike harming of animals. So some 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:43.440 of it does come from just the fact that Hitler 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:46.040 is kind of a guy who likes animals, and some 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:47.600 of it comes from a lot of it. Most of 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:49.480 it comes from just like there have always been these 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:51.680 laws because in all of Europe it's been heavily restricted 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:54.360 who gets to hunt. Why this is a bigger subject. 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:57.280 But hunting is like it's a thing in Europe in 0:03:57.280 --> 0:03:59.640 a way it's not in the United States because among 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:01.920 other things, a lot of stuff like who gets to 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:04.640 have weapons is wrapped up and who gets to go hunting, 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:07.280 and like a lot of different kind of game. Number One, 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:10.200 because of how much longer there's been sort of settled 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:14.400 societies in Europe. Uh and they were never because there 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:18.360 is bad at environmental regulation, as white people tend to be, 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:21.240 They wiped out a lot of like the big game species, 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:23.279 so there was kind of a need anyway, there's a 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:26.640 lot of rules here. So Number one, poaching is something 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:28.520 that it is easy to be a poacher, and that 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:31.680 what you can hunt and win is heavily regulated. But 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:33.480 but the other thing that's going on here is that 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:37.080 even though poaching has punished severely and Hitler himself hates 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:40.320 the idea of hunting for meat, hunters have a deep 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:45.240 like almost religious, spiritual sort of place in German folklore. Right, 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:48.880 the concept of a hunter is something that is is venerated. 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:50.880 Think about like at least a couple of times in 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:53.960 those fucking handling Grettelass stories where like the guy who 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:56.039 comes and saves the days, some like hunter who's just 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:59.400 like through the woods, right, Like it's a thing, you know, um, 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:02.000 And it's a thing in part because like Germans have 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:04.680 a lot of German history is like rap and German 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:07.760 like pride is wrapped up and you know they're they're 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:09.920 early history when they were fighting the Romans, and like 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:12.680 they're these kind of woods people who are live in 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:16.599 the dark forest their national folk hero myths, and yeah, 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:19.480 a lot of them are like exactly. So a lot 0:05:19.560 --> 0:05:22.760 of Nazi propaganda is focused on people need to return 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:24.359 to nature, need to get back to the woods, they 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:26.120 need to hike into camp, and of course they need 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:28.520 to hunt. Right. That is, as much as Hitler doesn't 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:30.360 like it, a lot of Nazis and a lot of 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:33.880 Nazi propaganda still does venerate hunters. We're not liking it. 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:37.040 And then it's like, don't kill for meat. If you're 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:41.839 gonna kill, kill. This job has been making such moral 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:49.919 compromises unbelievable. Stagg right near where I guess Jews. It 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:54.000 was horrible, can't you believe it? Put his head up 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:58.000 once all. So we we see shades of this in 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:01.039 modern right wing propaganda, right like every if you're gonna 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:04.320 be like a right wing ship head trumpy political candidate, 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:07.520 you're gonna pose with a gun shooting something. Right. Some 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:11.160 of those guys are actual hunters. Neo Nazi. Fucking Paul 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:14.680 Neilon is a hunter and a scary asshole um. But 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:16.599 a lot of them are just like Dr Oz where 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:18.200 it's like, yeah, put me with a shotgun next to 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:20.760 some ducks, like people need to see that I'm a 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:23.520 real man, um. And it's a bit like that with 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:25.880 the Nazis. You definitely have some degree to which this 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:28.159 is like showy. But some of the Nazi high command 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:31.440 are big hunting nerds. I think it's Gearing. Gearing is 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:34.440 huge into hunting, and I believe Himler is as well. 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:37.520 Was either Himler or Gerbel's I actually forgot the double check, 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:39.720 but one of the two of the other big guys 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:41.760 was was also a big hunting nerd, and they have 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:45.960 like very nice hunting lodges. Gearing builds this palace for 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:49.080 himself named after his dead wife, Karen Hall. That's just 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:50.920 for him to go shoot things while the war is 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:56.400 going badly. Um, sell me a dog. There are a 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:58.760 lot of like there. There is Nazis are kind of 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:00.960 as much as Hitler doesn't like attributing some sort of 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:04.440 magical skill to the idea of being a hunter and poachers, 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:08.200 even though it's illegal, poachers are seen as generally the 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:11.160 very best hunters, right because not only are they tracking 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:15.600 and killing animals, but they're doing it while avoiding the law. Right, 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:17.680 So you have to be pretty good at hunting to 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:22.440 be a successful being hunted exactly, so that that there 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:25.480 is like a respect. Even as much as the Nazis 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:27.760 are big law and order guys, there's a respect for 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:30.360 what it means to be a poacher. So it's it's 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:32.600 both this, like, these guys are criminals and thus we 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:34.760 don't want to associate too closely with them, and also 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:39.880 these guys have some sort of primal skill that we've venerate, right. Um, 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:41.880 So when the Nazis decide that they're going to form 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:45.440 a military unit of cotton sentenced poachers, they think they're 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:48.520 making like this is obviously is a is a considered 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:50.800 military decision. It does make sense, right, if you were 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:53.800 planning a counter insurgent campaign, this might be a thing 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:56.400 you would do because it does make sense. But they're 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:59.680 also doing something a little bit more esoteric. The mystical 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:04.239 qualities attributed to hunters by German mythology include an understanding 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:09.200 of the wild as something powerful, spiritual, and valuable, but 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:12.920 by necessity controlled. And there's there's this idea that some 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:16.160 men are wild men, and poachers are among them. Dura 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:18.960 Wanger is a wild man. And you can't let these 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:22.800 people run freely in your society because like they'll suck 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:26.080 it up there too. They bring too much chaos. But 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:29.840 they also they're manly, they're powerful, and they're necessary in 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:32.959 some places. So there's a there's a place for wildness, 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:36.000 there's a place where it's necessary. And as the Nazis 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:40.439 gear up to ethnically cleansed Poland and the East, one 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:42.959 of the things that is like makes immediate sense to 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:45.120 these guys. It's like, well, this is where, this is 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:50.040 a place where wildness is needed, right, this is exactly 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:54.760 we need some fucking lunatics out here. Um, And yeah, 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:58.320 I'm gonna quote again from Christian Ingrau quote the image 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:00.760 of the hunter, like that of his different quarry, corresponds, 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:05.120 according to bertrand Hell, to your European imagination of black blood, 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:09.160 which defines the exact distance from the wild to these societies, 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:12.800 and by a discourse interpreting hunter's behavior, inserts them in 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:16.679 social organization and integrates therein the savagery and violence of 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:20.960 that image. Now black blood meaning like these people have 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:24.959 animal blood in exactly, Yeah, there's something inherently wild about 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:27.920 them that we have to harness. Right, And if you 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:29.960 want to read Christians book, which I do recommend, he 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:32.400 goes into a lot of detail about what this means 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:35.920 kind of the esoteric history. I don't understand all of this. 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:38.160 I'm gonna tell you that right now. I am not 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:41.920 an expert on European folklore, and this is an academic text. 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:44.760 Christian is a little bit wonkier than I entirely get. 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:47.120 But what I do stand understand is that he's saying 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:50.760 the Nazis venerate wildness. Thus, is there a term you 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:53.439 will hear a lot in speeches that, like Hitler and 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:56.560 Himmler and Gering make is hardness. Right, We want to 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:59.320 make young men hard so that they can do the 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:01.360 things that are you need to be done in the East, 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:05.880 and it is it is very funny. We can make 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:09.000 all the dip chokes we want. Um, this is you 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:10.720 can see this as part of the evidence for the 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:13.240 intentionalist sort of thing. Actually, it kind of does fit either, 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:15.680 because what you're seeing here is that when you're when 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:18.240 you're specifically saying we need to make the new generation 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:22.679 of men tough and not care about hurting people and 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:25.400 able to kind of go wild because we're about to 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:28.040 take over a space that we need them to go 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:31.360 wild in in order to detain it. Right, Um, that 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:34.240 is preparation for a genocide. Now not in the sense 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:36.640 that I think is easy to recognize in court papers, 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:39.960 but like that's part of it, right, the the deliberate 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:43.840 inculcation of these virtues of hardness and wildness and young 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:47.240 men and the Reich is part of why the genocide happens. 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:50.360 It's it's it's a it's as necessary as stockpiling the munitions, 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:53.240 right because most people can't just go shoot thirty thod 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:56.119 folks in a day, right, Yeah, like even most assholts 0:10:56.160 --> 0:11:00.360 can't do. Take your biggest American dips it and he's 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:04.640 not getting those numbers. No. Um, so the reason darl 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:07.200 Wanger and these poachers are being formed into an anti 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:09.520 partisan unit. In addition to the stuff that just makes 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:13.480 sense militarily, there's an understanding by the Nazi brass that 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:15.400 these guys are going to be good at harnessing the 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:18.200 savagery of the wild to get civilian populations, and that 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:20.720 maybe a little bit of that wildness will rub off 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:23.000 on the other soldiers, and that's kind of what they think, 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:26.400 they know they're going to need. It's so it's the 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:30.720 insane thing about it, too, is that is number one, 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:33.160 they don't have black blood or whatever. The fuck. These 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:37.200 guys are literally just sociopaths. These guys they're finding the 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:40.880 most monstrous fucking like I mean, this would be equivalent 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:43.240 to like guys drinking four local and people going those 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:48.400 guys are wild, man, those guys really animal blood. Yeah, 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:51.319 I mean just yeah, just the biggest assholes in the world. 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:53.600 And they're just attributing some sort of like I don't know, 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:59.560 fucking spiritual animalistic sucking. None of what I'm saying or 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:01.840 what Christian to saying, is that like that this is 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:04.760 a lot a completely logical thing. It's just of course 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:07.720 there's folklore roots because the German the Nazis are big 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:09.679 into that sort of stuff that go deeper than just 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:12.240 like we need some poachers, right, There is a lot 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:14.960 going on here and it is it is meaningful to 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:18.040 understand that. Again, in Grau's book goes into more detail. 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:21.000 I'm not going to claim to entirely understand the arguments 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:23.480 that he's making there beyond what I have related to you, 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:26.120 because it is more complex than that. But you can 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:28.240 read that on your own if you're real into fucking 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:32.360 European folklore and hunting. Um. So this takes us back 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:35.040 to the discourse though that opened the episode about intentionalists 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:38.120 versus functionalists. Durrowanger and his men are about to kill 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:41.880 tens of thousands of civilians, mostly women and children, in 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:45.040 the most brutal way is conceivable. Most of these specific 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:47.720 killings are not ordered by Hitler or by anyone else 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:51.080 in high command directly. Rather, durl Wanger's unit is formed 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:53.760 with the understanding that he and his men will interpret 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:57.480 their job, which is anti partisan activity, to include just 0:12:57.760 --> 0:13:01.360 killing everybody in certain areas, right, and not only that, 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:04.440 but that they will develop techniques to do that that 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:07.880 will be replicable by the rest of the German military. 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:11.400 So obviously there are specific direct orders behind a number 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:14.559 of their massacres, but usually said orders are less specific 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:16.880 than you'd imagine. And this is not just a thing 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:18.840 the Germans did when they were committing war crimes. This 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:20.959 is part of their battle theory. There's a thing they 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:23.240 have developed in at the end of World War One 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:27.760 called Alph Truck's tactic, which venerates individual initiative and leaves 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:32.000 solutions to problems open to field commanders. Right, German soldiers 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:35.280 up through World War Two are much less hampered by 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:38.640 like they're much less the command exactly. It's more lest 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:40.640 like no, no, you're in charge of this unit of guys. 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:42.600 We need you here by this stage. However you do, 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:44.520 that's up to you. I'm not going to micro manage you. 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:46.560 And that's part of how like you get stories about 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:49.280 like Rammel being like a hundred miles ahead of the 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:51.720 rest of the army and whatnot, because there this is 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:54.240 like a thing that the German military specifically tries to 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:58.000 inculcate and its soldiers. And so even though there's not 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:00.800 like a direct hitler doesn't send out a memo saying like, hey, 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:04.400 have Oscar Darrow Wanger ethnically cleans large parts of Poland 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:09.280 and Belarus. He is directly orchestrating those massacres by he 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:11.480 and Himler and stuff, by putting this unit together and 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:13.840 putting it in the places that it's being put right 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:18.600 and being like, you know, hey, just if you feel entrepreneurial, 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:21.520 go for it. It's pretty much. It's weird that the 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:24.800 Third Reich was kind of like militarily run like a startup, 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:31.200 which is like, pretty well, yeah, you know, yeah, everybody, 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:36.360 there's a lot of hats. There's a real startup. Yes, well, 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:39.320 there's plenty of snacks and also guns in the kitchen 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:44.080 to kill. We have black massashes at every Thursday, all 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:48.720 the headphones you could ever want. Yeah, it is. It 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:53.200 is a bit like that. So Nazi Germany invades September 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:59.240 nineteen nine Poland. Um, this works pretty well for them. Uh. 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:03.960 They fairly rapidly achieve conquest of Poland alongside the Red Army, 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:07.360 who are on board for the conquest of Poland. At 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:13.280 this everybody wants some Poland right to a few centuries 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:16.240 now where people are just like, hey, let's get Poland. 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:18.600 Every time a war happens. Yeah, I mean outside of 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:20.200 the Nazi stuff. Man, if you come to me and 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:21.800 you're like, hey, Robert, I think we gotta I think 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:24.560 I got an idea we could take some Poland, I'll 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:26.240 be like, I'll hear you out, you know, I'll hear 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:32.600 everyone wants a piece of little bit of Polis. Yeah, exactly. 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:35.200 Not trying to go wild on it. Um. The Nazis 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:38.560 kind of go wild on it a little bit, so 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:42.480 they militarily this goes pretty well for them, but they 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:45.080 start to deal very quickly with the problem that their 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:47.880 forces are conquering more people and coming into possession of 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:50.920 more Jews than they had entirely been ready to handle. 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:56.000 So they've got partisans. There are partisans fighting, although it's 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:58.520 not at its high pitch yet, right because everyone in 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:01.120 Poland is still sort of dealing with the shock of 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:05.400 being invaded. Yeah, very it's it's it's come, it's come 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:08.160 along quickly. So the need to fight partisans at this 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:10.200 period is less important than they need to reduce the 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:13.560 number of human beings living in like the areas the 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:17.040 Germans are trying to take over and turn into Greater Germany. 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:21.640 So Darrel Langer gets sent with his men to Oriannenburg 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:23.920 in May of nineteen forty just a couple of months, 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:26.320 like not more than a couple of months, but not 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:29.080 all of that long after the invasion, and his job 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:31.600 is to train the first few dozen poachers in his 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:34.880 special unit. His men are kept in an isolated barracks, 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:38.120 less their wildness and criminal nature infect the other soldiers. 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:41.080 The specific branch of the German military they were attached 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:43.840 to would later become the Waffen s S, which is 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:46.800 the military arm of Heinrich Hmler's fun club for racists. 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:49.080 And I'm gonna quote now from the s S Darrel 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:52.960 Wanger Brigade by Ingrau quote. The two months of training 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:54.880 they were given must have been limited to the rudiments 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:57.920 of military discipline and a summary physical training, something close 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:00.720 to the Prussian drill, but hardly going for they're considering 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:03.400 how soon they were sent into action. This training was 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:05.520 selective enough that in the end only fifty five of 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:08.240 the eighty poachers were accepted in the commando. The others 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:11.280 were returned progressively to their detention centers without penalty. It 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:14.680 was purely a question of physical inceptibility. The order requesting 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:18.640 their reintegration in prison, specified that no disciplinary measures were involved. 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:21.640 And that's interesting to me that like you get this, like, well, 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:23.320 we don't want them to feel bad, right, we don't like, 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:25.040 we don't like be dicks to them. If they can't look, 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:28.199 you just couldn't cut it, you know, the feeling. Don't 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:31.040 hurt their feelings as they are carrying out one of 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:33.800 the greatest blood bats in history. Well, we wouldn't want 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:36.320 to be like unfair to these guys. Look, they're serving 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:39.040 their time. You know, they volunteered. It's okay, just them 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:43.399 not making the cut into the like varsity killing Jews team. 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:46.359 Hitler sits down next to one of these guys. Look, buddy, 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:51.600 it's nothing against It's all right exactly exactly got cut 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:57.280 from his high school jew killing team too, and Jesus Christ, 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:02.000 oh boy. So in September of nineteen forty, the men 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:04.320 of S. S. Durawanger, which is like what the unit 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:06.160 gets called, right, this is just kind of the naming 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:09.479 scheme at the Germans used are sent to an area 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:13.080 in Poland called Lublin. This town held an important place 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:16.000 in Nazi race theory. One of their propagandists had in 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:19.280 the nineteen thirties described it as quote a bottomless well 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:22.560 from which Jews flow to all corners of the globe, 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:27.520 the source of the rebirth of world jewry. So certain 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:30.840 Nazis are like, this is where the Jews come from. There, Yeah, 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:35.919 this is the well where the Jews are sprouted and 0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:39.600 then just get shot into different countries all over the world. 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:44.960 Now look, it's called Lubland, Lublin, Lublin. Now look, I 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:50.920 know everything the Jews mountain, oh man. Given everything that's 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:53.719 going on in Palestine these days, the question of like 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:57.600 what is a Jewish homeland made is a thorny one. 0:18:57.640 --> 0:19:01.360 But I think everyone can agree it's not Ublin. It's definitely, 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:05.120 it's definitely not Lublin. Yeah, we don't. We're not always 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:07.840 just like, hey, did you take your your yearly birthright 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:19.639 trips back to Lublin next year in Lublin. So the 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:23.280 surrounding terrain is swampy uh in the area, and so 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:26.240 it was considered to be Lublin's got a large Jewish population, 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:28.119 But it's also considered a great idea. They're going to 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:30.600 take all of the Jewish people from the surrounding area 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:33.439 and they're going to force them into the swamps around Poland, 0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:36.600 where they're going to create concentration camps um. And they 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:39.000 think this is a great idea because since it's a swamp, 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:41.680 swamps are bad for you. As a general rule, people 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:44.520 aren't supposed to live in swamps, and the Nazis are 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:46.760 specifically saying that, like, if we make them all live 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:49.119 in this swamp and like shitty camps, it will quote 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:53.040 cause their considerable decimation. This is a free way to 0:19:53.080 --> 0:19:54.800 have the environment kill a lot of them, and we 0:19:54.880 --> 0:19:59.560 don't know they're trying to biological warfare in a sense. Yeah. Yeah, 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:02.159 So we have very little specific detail on what the 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:05.080 men of the Dura Wanger unit did in these first 0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:07.840 eighteen months, but we do know the broad strokes, which 0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:09.480 is that they helped to set up and guard the 0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:13.200 Belzac and mag the Neck death camps. This was accomplished 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:16.919 in stages, which included destruction of synagogues and Talmudic academies 0:20:16.920 --> 0:20:19.359 in Lublin, as the people there were rounded up and 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:23.399 forced behind barbed wire. One German soldier later described, quote, 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:26.240 we threw the huge Talmudic library out of the building 0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:28.400 and carried the books to the marketplace, where we set 0:20:28.440 --> 0:20:31.760 fire to them. The fire lasted twenty hours. The Lublin 0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:35.040 Jews assembled around and wept bitterly, almost silencing us with 0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:38.680 their cries. We summon the military band, and with joyful shouts, 0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:42.920 the soldiers drowned out the sounds of Jewish cries. Jesus 0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:51.600 fucking pretty bad, pretty fucking bad. This is uh sorry, 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:54.960 I just needed something. Yeah, a little bit of airhorn 0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:58.280 there to help out airhorns. I mean, I hate to 0:20:58.320 --> 0:21:00.240 say it, Matt, but that is kind of what the 0:21:00.359 --> 0:21:03.959 Nazi we just read from dead Yeah, yeah, exactly like 0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:07.480 I drowned out to cries with my cool horn. This 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:11.720 is bleak, Yes, this is very Why are they crying 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:16.760 so much? Bring out the air horn? Boot? All right? Okay, 0:21:17.480 --> 0:21:20.879 they know if they know about speaking of bomba clat. 0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:25.639 You know who's fucking just hella into reggae. All of 0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:29.280 the sponsors of this podcast, Sylvie and I. Look, when 0:21:30.600 --> 0:21:33.800 or or the CIA or whoever comes out and says 0:21:33.840 --> 0:21:35.119 they want to do an ad in our show, we 0:21:35.160 --> 0:21:38.560 have one question, and it's are you fucking down? Are 0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:52.200 you a rude boy? You goddamn right. We're back so 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:55.720 in between helping to carry out actions, like the one 0:21:55.760 --> 0:21:59.560 we just read from the Horrible Genocide story and march 0:21:59.640 --> 0:22:01.560 intends of thousands of people to the site of their 0:22:01.600 --> 0:22:05.080 eventual extermination. The Durrowanger unit got the chance to show 0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:08.280 off their special skills encounter sniper missions and in rounding 0:22:08.320 --> 0:22:12.160 up escaped Polish officers spotted in the area. After the war. 0:22:12.240 --> 0:22:15.040