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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season to fifty nine,

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Speaker 1: Episode two of Dirt Dailies Like Guys Day production of

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Speaker 1: My Heart Radio. This is a podcast where we take

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Speaker 1: a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. It's Tuesday, October eighteen,

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Speaker 1: National International Legging Day. So it's not just for the

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Speaker 1: people in this could you rock with leggings, it's your day.

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Speaker 1: It's National Chocolate Cupcake Day, National No Beard Day, and

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Speaker 1: National Pharmacy Technician Day. Shout out to the people working

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Speaker 1: in the bad out to the pharmacy text. Was that

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Speaker 1: a no beard Day? Yeah? I don't know if that

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Speaker 1: means just shaving it off. It just says, yeah, just

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Speaker 1: being clean shaven. You know, it's probably again it's about

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Speaker 1: way to razors, you know, about time we got some

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Speaker 1: recognition out here or with or like me who cannot

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Speaker 1: grow a beer. So I'm like, yeah, every day is

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Speaker 1: no beard Day. Uh well, anyways, my name's Jack O'Brien.

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Speaker 1: A K. Guess who's back back again? Stalin's ghost Tell

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Speaker 1: a friend this curtsy at Christian Gucci Man talking about

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Speaker 1: who was that? Who said Stalin truly? Mike Cernovich weird,

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Speaker 1: Mike Sernovitch coming back, coming with a strange attempt at

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Speaker 1: poetic license. I am thrilled to be joined as always

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Speaker 1: by my co host, Mr Miles Yes, it's Miles Gray,

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Speaker 1: straight from the Mile High City, but keeping his title

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Speaker 1: of the Lord of Lancashim Hideo NoHo, North Hollywood was

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Speaker 1: very own. Thank you so much. In the building, in

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Speaker 1: the building, well, we are thrilled to be joined in

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Speaker 1: the building, ish virtually in the virtual building of the

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Speaker 1: internet zoom protocol by an urban planner, former executive director

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Speaker 1: of Time's Up Entertainment and currently the city council member

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Speaker 1: for l A's fourth District. Welcome back to the show,

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Speaker 1: Nittia Roma, Welcome, Welcome, Thank you. That was such a

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Speaker 1: great That's probably the most enthusiastic perception I've ever gotten. Hey,

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Speaker 1: we go off here, very happy to be here than

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Speaker 1: the last time you were here. You were running and

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Speaker 1: in what the l A Times calls a political earthquake,

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Speaker 1: you won. I'm sure you've probably heard that by now,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, you won. Congratulations, Thank you. It's a big deal.

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Speaker 1: It's a big deal. Yeah. So now you're just wielding

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Speaker 1: power for the past couple of years. How's that going?

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Speaker 1: Anything new going? On the city Council. I haven't had

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Speaker 1: I haven't had the most stressful week of my entire

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Speaker 1: tenure here so far. Yeah, just getting stayed and you

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Speaker 1: kept your appointment to appear on our second rate podcast.

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Speaker 1: We're truly grateful. Well, I disagree with you that it's

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Speaker 1: a second rate podcast, and I'm very delighted to be

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Speaker 1: here because it's third rate. Thank you. All right, We're

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Speaker 1: gonna get to know you a little bit better in

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Speaker 1: a moment. We had to go on by the way

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Speaker 1: recently and when his underrated was Little Nikki. So just

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Speaker 1: so you know what the bar of the Sandler movie,

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Speaker 1: The Sandler Movie at Little Nikki was like, I don't know, man,

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Speaker 1: it's just like my favorite movie. I can I can

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Speaker 1: watch it repeatedly. He said it was his favorite movie.

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Speaker 1: I think he said it was his favorite or like

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Speaker 1: didn't really he wasn't like, you know, because of this

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Speaker 1: I did endorse him, and now I'm thinking end Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was interesting because of that. I was like, looking

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Speaker 1: Drunk Love, very interesting and after water Boy and he

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Speaker 1: Boys for all two hours of this movie. Anyways, that's

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Speaker 1: not what we're talking to you about. We are gonna

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Speaker 1: society seems to have an immune system that is allergic

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Speaker 1: to anything having to do with socialism or progressive social policies,

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Speaker 1: from your search history, my recent search history? Yeah, just

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Speaker 1: week's very dark search history. But I was most recently

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Speaker 1: googling and surprised to find that The First Wives Club,

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Speaker 1: my god, it's perfect. Barbara Bush and Nancy Reagan start

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Speaker 1: something you think is overrated? So I you know, well,

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Speaker 1: I feel like, here's the thing I've learned. I do

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Speaker 1: Hollywood Bowl when you're rendering, for sure. But it's also

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Speaker 1: which is there's a documentary series called Philly d A

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Speaker 1: how we respond to certain you know, emergencies in our city. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and the first, you know, I think I really want

429
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Speaker 1: to say that, like I receive a lot of criticism

430
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Speaker 1: about my work I also receive a lot of support,

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Speaker 1: but I receive a lot of criticism. And I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: very like if people are disappointed, like I just want

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Speaker 1: to say, this is not me saying they don't have

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Speaker 1: any right to be disappointed or you know whatever, Like

435
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Speaker 1: I understand, and I'm I'm out here trying to navigate

436
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Speaker 1: this in the way that one person out of fifteen

437
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Speaker 1: can and and really deliver the best results for the

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Speaker 1: people of my district at this moment. And during the

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Speaker 1: budget process, I put forward some you know, long pieces

440
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Speaker 1: of writing about why I you know, what my relationship

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Speaker 1: to the budget process was. But the one thing I

442
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: do want to say about the Los Angeles budget when

443
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Speaker 1: we that budget vote is not an updown vote on

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Speaker 1: the police budget alone. It's an omnibus budget, right, So

445
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 1: it's like all these things and and there's a huge

446
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 1: amount of negotiation that happens as we move through it,

447
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 1: where you're saying, Okay, how much money am I going

448
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Speaker 1: to get for the Planning Department? How much money am

449
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: I going to get for building affordable housing in Los Angeles?

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Speaker 1: How much money am I going to get for for

451
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: active transportation? Like you know, I I'm really a big

452
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: proponent of bike lanes and traffic safety measures, and I

453
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: actually can't get those implemented in my district because we

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Speaker 1: don't have staff at the Department of Transportation to design

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Speaker 1: those measures on our roads. And one of the big

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Speaker 1: things I fought for and that budget was more people

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Speaker 1: to work on active transportation measures. And I got that. Um,

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Speaker 1: I got that as part of the budget process. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: like the police funding was a big part of the budget.

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Speaker 1: It has been historically a big part of the budget.

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Speaker 1: And there were raises baked into it that increased the

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Speaker 1: numbers of how much money we were committing to the

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Speaker 1: police force. And looking at that and looking at what

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Speaker 1: I was able to get out of the budget, you know,

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Speaker 1: I I move forward with it because I think when

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Speaker 1: you're negotiating on it, you're saying, Okay, I'll support this

467
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Speaker 1: if we can do this, this and this right, And

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Speaker 1: I get like, you know, it's like any like you know,

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Speaker 1: they're omnibus bills and the federal level that you know,

470
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Speaker 1: certain certain items are like poison pills for some legislators

471
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Speaker 1: and some aren't for you to see like a version

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Speaker 1: of Los Angeles where we can legislate in that way,

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Speaker 1: and we are saying like without you know, all of

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Speaker 1: like the to address all of these needs that we

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Speaker 1: have while really being able to like have a laser

476
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: focus on, you know, realizing well, they're the direct increase

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Speaker 1: in police budgets doesn't correlate to our an increase in

478
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Speaker 1: our safety. How are we able to sort of streamline

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Speaker 1: the process because I'm sure there's many there's so many

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Speaker 1: voices that come into that process that I'm sure it's

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Speaker 1: it becomes chaotic, Like what are you know? Like, I

482
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Speaker 1: think that's why a lot of people when we look

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Speaker 1: at how we can change things, we always see how

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Speaker 1: the established process is basically the biggest hurdle into like

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Speaker 1: meaningful change. Yeah, I'm curious, like what's the version that

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Speaker 1: we need to be thinking of that allows us to

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Speaker 1: have these conversations where we can't say, you know what,

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Speaker 1: we have enough votes on the city council, we know

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Speaker 1: it like having more invested in social services and people

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00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: who are trained in responding to crises like this, that

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Speaker 1: we can do that in a very easy way. But

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Speaker 1: I get that there's so much entrenched power. But I'm curious,

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Speaker 1: as someone who wrestling that, what's you know, like, what's

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Speaker 1: the vision of that for the future. So I think

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Speaker 1: one of the things that people have to understand about

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Speaker 1: the way that the l A City Council is set up,

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Speaker 1: and this may not be relevant for your national audience,

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00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: but is that a lot of the work of determining

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00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: what projects move forward and what programs move forward, it

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00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: is done through committees. And I don't sit on the

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Speaker 1: Public Safety Committee, but I think the people who sit

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00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: on the Public Safety Committee have will have a lot

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Speaker 1: of power over what happens in terms of our response

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00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: to public safety issues in l A. So the key

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Speaker 1: things are the council president assigns people to various committees.

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Speaker 1: And you know, if you've been following the news, you

507
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: know who was our council president till very recently, Yes Martinez,

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Speaker 1: Yes Neri Martinez. And so she assigned me to the

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Speaker 1: Housing Committee, to the homeless, some poverty committee, to These

510
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: are all committees that I think are really important, but

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Speaker 1: I'm not I don't sit on the Public Safety Committee,

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Speaker 1: and I think that committee is really responsible for trying

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Speaker 1: to bring up and ensure that departments are following through

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Speaker 1: on alternative responses to public safety. Right and without that

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00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: committee's leadership and its chair really pushing forward on those

516
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: it's going to be hard to see progress. So the

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00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: reality is a lot of the power on those issues

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00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: sits within that committee. The committee chair determines which motions

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Speaker 1: get hurt by the Committee and moved to the full Council.

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Speaker 1: And we don't have right now a coherent alternative response

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00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: system in place in Los Angeles, right So that's that's

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Speaker 1: the other reality of the moment that we're facing right

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Speaker 1: now is that there's all these great ideas. There is

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Speaker 1: a pilot program in Hollywood and Venice called the Circle program,

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Speaker 1: which is supposed to take some of the you know,

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Speaker 1: nine one one calls that are coming in and moving

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Speaker 1: them to unarmed response. There is a mobile van that's

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00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: supposed to be housed at fire stations and go out

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Speaker 1: from there. So there's all these different pilot programs, but

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Speaker 1: there's no coherence around thinking about what are these programs doing,

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Speaker 1: what are they actually changing as we move forward, are

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Speaker 1: they effective, what's the most effective, How can we really

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Speaker 1: invest and expanding them beyond the pilot phase. Actually put

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00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: forward a motion earlier this year which just is making

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Speaker 1: its way through the Committee and the council asking for

536
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: exactly this, you know, And I think this is in

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00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: addition to thinking about police budgets and police presence, I

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00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: think we also need to be thinking about how do

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00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: we actually fund staff and increase the capacity of these

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00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: alternative systems to actually respond to issues in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 1: And that's to me, that's like the thing that we

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00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: we do need to be focusing on in a in

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00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: a very real sense, Like you know, getting back to

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Speaker 1: your first question or the introduction that you have, Jack,

545
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: is like, how do you how do you exist as

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Speaker 1: a progressive in this space? I think one of the

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00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: things that we need to be doing as a movement,

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00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,479
Speaker 1: as a progressive movement, as a big tent progressive movement,

549
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: is to be talking about what we want to see,

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00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: not just what we don't want to see, and I

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00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: think being really clear and focused about what those goals

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Speaker 1: are and then going out there and fighting for those

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00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: things wherever they show up on council or supervisorial or

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00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: county agendas. You know, that that's a kind of work

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00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: that I think we need to be doing as a

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00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: movement in order to really move forward, because it's not

557
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: just about saying we don't want this. It's about building

558
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: the world that we want to see, right, what do

559
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: we replace it with? I heard you talk about like

560
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: seeing somebody I think they were in your district having

561
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: a mental health crisis, and but they weren't a danger

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Speaker 1: to themselves or other people, And so you tried to

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Speaker 1: navigate the process of, you know, like finding a solution,

564
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: finding nobody away, to call somebody who could come help.

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00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: That wasn't a police officer pointing a gun at that person.

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Speaker 1: And I couldn't find it. I couldn't find it. By

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Speaker 1: the way, so as you were, you were a city

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Speaker 1: council member, I'm a sitting city council person and I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm watching a person have a crisis on the streets,

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Speaker 1: and I call the Department of Mental Health, which is

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Speaker 1: controlled by l A County. So mental health response in

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Speaker 1: l A is not controlled by the city, it's controlled

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Speaker 1: by the county. I called l A County and not

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Speaker 1: only did they not come, they never even called me back.

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Speaker 1: And the reason is because despite the fact that we

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Speaker 1: have an enormous homelessness crisis, despite the fact that some

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Speaker 1: although not all, certainly not all people who are experiencing

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Speaker 1: homelessness have mental health vulnerabilities, some of them do. And

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Speaker 1: the reality is that we need street based mental health

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Speaker 1: outreach and street based response to mental health issues. Right

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Speaker 1: And despite the reality of that that we've been grappling

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Speaker 1: with in Los Angeles for many, many years now, the

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Speaker 1: county has almost no mental health outreach teams that a

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Speaker 1: rapid response like this and has no capacity to respond

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00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: to calls for help in that way. And so for

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Speaker 1: the entirety of the San Fernando Valley, for example, that

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Speaker 1: enormous area, there is one mental health outreach team that

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00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 1: the Department of Mental Health funds. Yeah, part my English,

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00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's that's bullshit, you know. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: you were saying that, Like when you talked to somebody,

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Speaker 1: they were like, we're still like dealing with yesterday's calls,

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Speaker 1: and it's like, that's that doesn't really it doesn't help me.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't help us at this moment. And so like

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Speaker 1: that and that, and you know, when I ran for office,

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Speaker 1: one of the things I really talked about was saying,

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Speaker 1: I want to have a system of responding to homelessness

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Speaker 1: in my district which tries really to move it into

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Speaker 1: the hands of trained professionals, Is there is there like

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00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: a tension right because we all know it's like we

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00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: don't need the cops to be responding, you know, and

601
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 1: they're like, you know, we'd love to not be responding

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Speaker 1: to this, but is there they say that is there?

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00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: I know, but they say that right, and then but

604
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: they're like, we need more money, but we need more

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00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: that like what's how do how does where does the

606
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: rubber meet the road? In trying to get the stakeholders

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00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: to understand it's like, because we talk all the time

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Speaker 1: as observers of just the news and looking at you know,

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00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: crime statistics or how crimes even reported like breathlessly by

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Speaker 1: the l A Times or fucking Los Angeles magazine, that

611
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: absurd publication, Like at what point are we able to

612
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: really get this message through? It's like you know that

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00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: we always talk about it's like if there if there

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00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: was a correlation between how much we spent in crime,

615
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: there should be negative crime, you know. Like so that's

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Speaker 1: what I'm curious to see how those conversations play out,

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00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: like because obviously you have a living entity as like

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Speaker 1: the police department, who's they're saying like, well, we need

619
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Speaker 1: this money and or do they look at giving away

620
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: some of this responsibility as making them more vulnerable to

621
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Speaker 1: like saying, well, then what do y'all do you know?

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Speaker 1: Like is I'm I'm curious to know how they're rationalized

623
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Speaker 1: or the debates that you hear when there are people

624
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Speaker 1: who advocate for this is why it needs to be

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00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: this way, This is why it needs to be this

626
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: way when you know logic or basic analysis would say like,

627
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: it seems like there's a myriad of other ways of

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00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 1: things we can try because we've been doing it this

629
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: way forever and results are the same. I mean, we

630
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: even heard Joe Biden and a speech be like we

631
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 1: don't need to defund the police, we need to extra

632
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: super duper fund the police because they because they do

633
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Speaker 1: because there are mental health counselors and like giving listing

634
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: all these things that they're bad at that they shouldn't do,

635
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: that they don't want to do. So it's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, I mean I think for me,

637
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: like I'm always trying to think about this and how

638
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:44,479
Speaker 1: you talk to constituents about building support for a better

639
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 1: way of doing things, a more logical way of doing things.

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Speaker 1: And I think one thing that I would say is

641
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: that I think often when you're talking to constituents, a

642
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: big complaint that you hear is, you know, I had

643
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Speaker 1: an incident of violent crime, or I witnessed an incident

644
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: of crime, or had something happened to me and the

645
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: police didn't come fast enough, you know. And so when

646
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: I hear that, I think one of the things that

647
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: that's a moment when you can say, Okay, look you

648
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: had armed violence happening. That may be a space where

649
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: armed police are appropriate responders, right, but for everything else,

650
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: we want to make sure that we are taking that

651
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: off of l A p d S plate. And I

652
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: think in that in that conversation and so that they

653
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: can respond more quickly to your instance of armed violence

654
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: where you didn't feel like you were supported or you

655
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: felt safe. And so that that's like for me in

656
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: terms of trying to think about building a case for

657
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: that better world. That's that's not just an argument that

658
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: I think has a lot of power. I think it's

659
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 1: it's it's something that I think instinctively people understand, you know.

660
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: I think we don't move forward as a city unless

661
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: we're able to really have conversations about safety and about

662
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: these issues. In ways that don't undermine people's fears. And

663
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 1: I said that before. I just think that that's like

664
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: an important way, a part of how we move forward

665
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: in building that new future, even if you know, you

666
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: may not think that those fears are legitimate or based

667
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: in the statistics, or I just feel like in order

668
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: to have a conversation that's really fruitful, I think we

669
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: all have to respect each other's kind of where you're

670
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: coming from. And I think we can make real progress,

671
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: real measurable progress on doing exactly those kinds of things

672
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: and taking armed police out of mental health crisis response,

673
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: on taking police out of you know, your everyday homelessness response,

674
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: and you're going to have real widespread support for that,

675
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: those changes that can transform people's lives. I mean, like,

676
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: let's just be clear that if we're talking about vulnerability

677
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 1: to police violence and that something that you care about,

678
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: making sure that police are not your first line of

679
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: response to calls about homelessness is really important because I think,

680
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: you know, last in the last count a third of

681
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: all victims of police violence were homeless in l A.

682
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: You know, so, how can we have how can we

683
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: make concrete progress on these issues? How do we do

684
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: that right, because you're not saying I gotta go to

685
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: the like sixty five year old lifelong Sherman Oaks resident

686
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: and be like, well, you know, these crime statistics are

687
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, and like sort of do this kind

688
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: of you have to sort of meet them where they're at,

689
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: which is like, well, what do you You don't feel

690
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: safe because of X, Y and Z. Well, this is

691
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: actually how we solve it. Because I feel like this

692
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: l A is really are I think most cities are

693
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: at this place where people have either the really aggressive,

694
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: violent solution to a problem, and then there's a group

695
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: of people advocating for something that like acknowledges the people's

696
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: like someone's humanity as a solution to it. So like,

697
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,439
Speaker 1: for example, like again in l A, there's so much

698
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: talk of like there's such a weaponization of the unhoused people,

699
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: like the unhoused community here for political points. I have

700
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: neighbors acquaintances around the city that seem to not be

701
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: interested in solving the issues that accelerate the growth of

702
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 1: the unhoused community, like they don't really care about it.

703
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: For like they don't understand, they don't understand stuff, like

704
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 1: they just see homelessness and they go, oh my god,

705
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: what are they fucking doing over there in city Hall?

706
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: And that ainematic ends, and there's like a really specific

707
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 1: type of Angelino right votes Democrat, hangs all the right

708
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: signs outside of their home, but when it comes to

709
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: talking about the un housed, their only idea to contribute

710
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: is some version of get rid of them, or I

711
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: don't want to see them, or they are dangerous. And

712
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: right now there's like this Crusoe supporter who's like going

713
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: around l a videotaping people that are living on like

714
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: on the street, and just like shaming them and narrating

715
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: to the camera this is why we need to vote

716
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: for Caruso. And the comments are like an intellectual war

717
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,760
Speaker 1: zone like on these videos. But you know, I'm curious

718
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: for someone who's been advocating for trying to solve this

719
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 1: in a way that makes sense and isn't just will

720
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: ship them out somewhere or like just being more brutal

721
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 1: and say hey, you either take treatment or you live

722
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: on the streets again or whatever. You know, a lot

723
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: of people have all these really messed up mantras. I'm

724
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: curious if you've seen a shift in these kinds of

725
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: attitudes or what how do you even connect somebody who's

726
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,720
Speaker 1: like seemingly being like I understand all these other problems,

727
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: but I just can't quite cross the intellectual rubicon into

728
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: seeing an unhoused person as a human being that is

729
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 1: unfortunate and is worthy of some kind of help, rather

730
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: than saying this is a nuisance, because it's either nuisance

731
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 1: or someone in need of help is helping see them.

732
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: And I think we can never abandon the base, you know,

733
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: I think my entire campaign, my entire time in office,

734
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: has been built around the idea that you if you

735
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: center on house people in your response to homelessness, and

736
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: if you center their dignity, that that we actually have.

737
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: You know that that for sst of all, that that

738
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: is that is a moral imperative, you know, no matter

739
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: what right is. That's just step one. But the but

740
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: the incredible thing is that if you do it that way,

741
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: if you respond to homelessness in that way, that you

742
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: actually address homelessness more effectively. Then you know, there's there's

743
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: there's two dances that we put and house people through

744
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: here in Los Angeles. One is a sidewalk shuffle where

745
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: you break tents on one sidewalk, people move across the street,

746
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: and then they move back, and then there's the there's

747
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: the movement from sidewalk to jail and back to the sidewalk,

748
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: and neither of these actually addresses homelessness, neither of them.

749
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: And if so, if you want a long term solution

750
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: to homelessness, if you want to see our way out

751
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: of this crisis, there's no way through it that doesn't

752
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: center the dignity of those people who are living on

753
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: the streets and ensuring that your response is tailored to

754
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: those individuals needs. And I think, I think one of

755
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: the challenges that that I feel like I pushed back

756
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: on and that I always have conversations with residents across

757
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: the district about is like I have no I believe

758
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: that homelessness is not a good thing for l A.

759
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: It's not. It's worse for the people who are experiencing homelessness,

760
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: but it's bad for our entire city. Like I want.

761
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: I'm here because I want to end homelessness, you know,

762
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 1: And I think just just making sure, like I think

763
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: that people understand that the goal of this work is

764
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: not too keep people on the street, but rather too

765
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: much more effectively help them navigate their way off the streets.

766
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: That alone is a game changer and having those conversations

767
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: because I do think there is a bogeyman there. You know,

768
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: am I saying that word right? Is it boogeyman or

769
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: boge I've always heard boogeyman, but bogeyman also adds like

770
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: a I think it's appropriate for like our top gun,

771
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: because is like the bad plane that's going to come

772
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 1: shoot you. I like mis pronounced words all the time,

773
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: and so I just realized as I was like, this

774
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 1: is the second time I'm musingly mis pronouncing it again.

775
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, but like to me, it's really just there

776
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: is this, I think persistent feeling that if you are

777
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: fighting back against the sidewalk shuffle or the jail to

778
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: streets circle, that what you're actually advocating for is for

779
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: people to remain on the streets, And in fact, it's

780
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: exactly the opposite. It's exactly the opposite. I mean, you've

781
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: talked about structural kind of problems with with regards to

782
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: addressing homelessness that I feel like they then trickled down

783
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:50,760
Speaker 1: to the like individual level, like with the sidewalk shuffle

784
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: district by district there when you entered office, there was

785
00:44:55,160 --> 00:45:00,399
Speaker 1: not there still isn't. There isn't was okay, So each

786
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 1: district is responsible for addressing homelessness within their district, which

787
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 1: leads to makes it very easy for your answer to

788
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: be moved them to a different district, right, yes, exactly

789
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: so and and and the incoherence of this is mind boggling.

790
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 1: So is that something like how how are I guess

791
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: i'd I'd love to shift too. Things that you are

792
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,760
Speaker 1: seeing work and things that are giving you hope for

793
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 1: like addressing this as you're coming up on like the

794
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 1: two year mark, like what what what are you seeing work?

795
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: And actually gain traction? Well a lot of that change

796
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:43,439
Speaker 1: this last week, right you know, Yeah, I mean, let's

797
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: let's talk about this last week and just like what

798
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: it was like from your perspective, because I mean they

799
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: were they were talking about redistricting you on in that

800
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: meeting where they were also just using cartoonish you know,

801
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: movie villain anti black racism in a way that seemed

802
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: like it was just the the accepted culture, like I mean,

803
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: abhorrent language and and and homophobic tropes. You know, over

804
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: and over again of the use of homophobic tropes. It

805
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 1: was so upsetting the use of anti black language. By

806
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: the way. Also, you know they they made fun of

807
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 1: w Hawkins in Koreatown, so it's also anti indigenous, anti

808
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: indigenous language. Yeah, so you know, it was abhorrent. It

809
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: was an abhorrant conversation. And you know, I think my obviously,

810
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 1: my first instinct and response was to just the level

811
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: of outrage that I felt on behalf of my my

812
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: colleague Mike Bond and son and his family, you know,

813
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 1: Mike and his husband Sean, and it knew no bounds.

814
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: And I think just and I was heartened to see

815
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 1: that so many people showed up in whatever way, online,

816
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: in person, via emails, via phone calls, just to say like,

817
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: we reject this so wholeheartedly, like this is so not

818
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, you know. So I think that I just

819
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: want to say that it was really like moving to

820
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 1: be witnessed to that, and yeah, that that that's important

821
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: to note. But this, you know, I think obviously I'm

822
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: still grappling with it, grappling with the implications of what happened,

823
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: and a couple of things I wanted to share, as

824
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 1: you know, as you think about what we've been discussing

825
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: in council for the past year, and I don't I

826
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 1: don't mean I meant think, I meant month twenty or

827
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 1: twenty one. Right now, I can't remember on the council

828
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: and the priorities that we've been discussing on. So, you know,

829
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: Kevin de Leon shared the Homelessness and Poverty Committee. Gil

830
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,439
Speaker 1: Sadio chaired the Housing Committee, which also encompasses renter protections.

831
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: That's where we discuss, you know, keeping people housed, you know.

832
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: And then Marie Martinez was the council president, which means

833
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: she's set the agenda for what we discussed in the

834
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: full council. And I think about some of the discussions

835
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: that have occupied us and that have been some of

836
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: the most conflict ridden over the past almost two years.

837
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: And I think about our focus on enforcement as a

838
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: response to homelessness, and our constant discussions on how we

839
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 1: expand the scope of enforcement with regards to homelessness, and

840
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: that occupied so much of our time on council, And

841
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: I think about what what those discussions would have looked like,

842
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,760
Speaker 1: or what those priorities would have been, had the people

843
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: setting the agendas not expose themselves as racists. How would

844
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,879
Speaker 1: that How would our agenda and homelessness and poverty look

845
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 1: like if it was being set by people who had

846
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: who had the best interests of every single person in

847
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: Los Angeles at heart, you know, and I think I

848
00:48:57,920 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: do think it would look different. I think for me,

849
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: I've nified over and over again that a key part

850
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 1: of why we're not able to address our homelessness crisis

851
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: is housing. We simply do not have the shelter beds

852
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: or the housing units to house all of our homeless people. Here.

853
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: We don't have a we don't have a system that's

854
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: designed to do that. New York City has more homeless

855
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: people than l A County, but way fewer people on

856
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 1: the streets. They have, you know, only like two thousand

857
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: people who are on the streets. And the reason is

858
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: because they have a court case that mandates that they

859
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 1: create the number of shelter beds that they need for

860
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: every single person who is experiencing homelessness in that city.

861
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 1: And so they've had to do that and they've just

862
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: done it, and here in l A we've never done it.

863
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 1: We don't even have even right now, despite the fact

864
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,280
Speaker 1: that we've made more investments in shelter and in housing

865
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: over the past few years than we ever have in

866
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: Los Angeles city history or county history for that matter.

867
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 1: We still don't have enough units, beds, whatever to house

868
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: our entire homeless population. Houston, which has reduced its homeless

869
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: population by an a star wishing, I think over the

870
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: last few years, has three times the number of housing

871
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: units that they have and house residents. So you see

872
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: the difference that we have in our response, and you think, oh,

873
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: why weren't we talking about this the entirety of the

874
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: time that I've been here instead of the other thing,

875
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: which is telling people where they can or can't camp, right, right,

876
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: because ultimately enforcement, like you know that that helps the

877
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,399
Speaker 1: police stay busy. That also helps people who might be

878
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: you know, maybe averse to building affordable housing or getting

879
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: behind that too. That I'm sure they're like, well, let's

880
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: I'm into enforcement, because I'm I'm sure there's also plenty

881
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I know there's plenty of nambiism going on

882
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: to or people are like, well, there's no way I

883
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: can live, but you know with these people in my community.

884
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,919
Speaker 1: But you're so your solution is just to kick them

885
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: out rather than to say well, there is a way

886
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,399
Speaker 1: for them to actually move out of you know, being

887
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: unhoused and potentially to be able to have a job

888
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 1: or not be living on the street. Does that seem

889
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: like a good option, But it seems like a lot

890
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: of people just immediately see also help is being like, well,

891
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: that's gonna mess up my property values, And I just yeah,

892
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: I just want to say one thing, Miles, which is

893
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: that I have a I actually think Los Angeles is

894
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: better than what we heard on those recordings, for sure,

895
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: you know, um, And I think you're right that there

896
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: is nimby pushback on specific homeless housing units. But I

897
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: actually think if you look at the history of our

898
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: votes on resources for homelessness, on on making sure that

899
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: people have what they need in terms of addressing the

900
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 1: lack of shelter beds, are housing, like we vote for

901
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 1: it in droves, we vote for it overwhelmingly. Like Los

902
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 1: Angeles is a city that gets behind housing and resources

903
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: for for homelessness, And I don't want to let the

904
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: actions of these three people take that away from us,

905
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: like we were This is a you know, I really

906
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: believe in the city, and I think that they were

907
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: misguided in thinking that the agenda of the city needed

908
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 1: to be focused on these issues, and I don't think

909
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: that's the will of the people. I feel, you know

910
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 1: that as we have a mayor race with a real

911
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: estate billionaire, that's you know, coming down to the wire.

912
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,919
Speaker 1: It feels like I I just keep being struck by

913
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 1: real estate, the real estate industry's role in this, and

914
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: just it feels like real estate is so such a

915
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,439
Speaker 1: powerful force in l A. And and the real estate

916
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: answer has always been, you know, just anywhere but here,

917
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: like use the police to take the problem the crime

918
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 1: the unhoused person anywhere but here, Like is is that

919
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 1: something you see like on the ground, like in these

920
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: meetings like that that you're on, Like do you do

921
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: you see like those forces at play or is it

922
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: like more kind of cellular down to the DNA level

923
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 1: than that, or how do how do you think about that,

924
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: like the relationship between the real estate industry here and

925
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: how we respond to homelessness and affordable housing and everything,

926
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: because it's yeah, so you know, I'm so I'm an

927
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: urban planner by training, and I've looked at the history

928
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: of affordable housing construction in America for a long time,

929
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 1: and I will say that we've built more affordable housing

930
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: here in Los Angeles over the last few years because

931
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: of things called basically density bonus programs. Right, So, the

932
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: way that it's been happening is that you basically provide

933
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: private real estate developers the capacity to build a little

934
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:43,439
Speaker 1: bit higher if they add affordable units to their existing constructions.

935
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: And as a city right now, again I'm just operating

936
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: within our existing contests. I don't context. I don't have

937
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 1: the capacity to fund a huge amount of public housing.

938
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: In fact, I have almost no money for affordable housing,

939
00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: and so these density bonus rules are really the only

940
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 1: way that we're creating any kind of affordable housing stock

941
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: here in l A. And that's that's the reality of

942
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: the context that we are in right now. I think

943
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:12,479
Speaker 1: if the president or at the federal level they made

944
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: changes so that they were really funding a public housing

945
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: program the way that they did in the last century,

946
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,240
Speaker 1: I think that we could make real progress on building

947
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 1: more affordable units here in Los Angeles without having to

948
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: rely on the private real estate sector. But we're not

949
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 1: in that context right now, right and so you know,

950
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 1: I think for me, the role of the private real

951
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: estate industry is a very complicated one. I think there's

952
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: there There are people who are very focused on policing

953
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,879
Speaker 1: as a response to homelessness, but I think there's also

954
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: a lot of nonprofit developers, you know, even even some

955
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: for profit developers who are trying to provide Section eight

956
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 1: units who are saying we want to partner with the

957
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: city and being a better in doing better and responding

958
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,399
Speaker 1: better to this issue. And I think what we need

959
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: to be setting up is a system where where we

960
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 1: don't have the private real estate sector either bribing their

961
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: way through city politics, which is what happens all the time,

962
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,720
Speaker 1: or having outsized influence on decision making in the city.

963
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,720
Speaker 1: And I think those things can be achieved through smart

964
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: interventions in campaign finance reform and in in in in

965
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 1: really changing how we organize our Ethics Commission and our

966
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: rules on lobbyists taking part in in these public conversations.

967
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: And you know, I think that that's how we that's

968
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: how we minimize the role of any profit seeking industry

969
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: on how we decide our priorities from the city. Right, Yeah, Well,

970
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: your job sounds hard. Yeah, I feel I feel like

971
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: I talked way too much, Like but this is kind

972
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: of what we're always talking or out on this show

973
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 1: as we're you know, talking about like observing and making

974
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 1: strange human body based metaphors about what's wrong with America.

975
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 1: You know, is like it's very very interesting and you know,

976
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: complicated and just good too good to hear from you now,

977
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: you know, twenty one months into the job and here

978
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 1: here the challenges and the where where you feel like

979
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: you can you can improve and just what it is

980
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: what it's like in there. So I appreciate you taking

981
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 1: the time. Yeah, and I for me like again and

982
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: thinking through that initial question that you brought up around

983
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: progressive power and what it means to be a progressive

984
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: in America. One thing I really want to think about

985
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 1: and talk about as we move forward is what does

986
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 1: that look like in terms of material change for the

987
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: people of my district and the people of Los Angeles,

988
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 1: And how do we design a policy agenda that gets

989
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 1: us there, you know, And that's that's what That's the

990
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 1: conversation I want to be having with people who care

991
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: about these issues going forward. I want to be having

992
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: that with you in your audience and with the public

993
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 1: and with constituents who care deeply about this. And the

994
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: exciting thing for me in some ways, you know, this

995
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: has been a very hard times, been a very hard

996
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 1: you know, weak and change. But I also think that

997
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: we can build that those material changes, like we can

998
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: have those happen for people in l A. So I

999
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: feel really excited about what these next steps are going

1000
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: to be and how we coalesce around that shared agenda

1001
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: and really use our power at every moment of decision

1002
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 1: making here in the city to push for that change.

1003
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: For Ugo, let's get let's get more progressives on the

1004
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: city council and for sure, but did he leak the

1005
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: tapes to Los Angeles Magazine? Is that what they said? Oh? Yeah,

1006
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 1: d like front and center. That's why like this city again,

1007
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 1: That's what I'm like, ludicrous, ludicrous conspiracy here. I'd hate,

1008
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 1: I'd hate to be a politician in l A. Because

1009
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: there's just so there's just so much, so many ways

1010
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: for for people to try and derail like a legitimate

1011
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: push towards something that's constructive and even like the same

1012
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: way they're trying to even undermine, like the coalition. They're like, Oh,

1013
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: black and Latino, the alliance between Blacks and Latinos have

1014
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: already been fraught until now, and It's like ask anybody

1015
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: who's actually in the streets or any activists like there,

1016
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 1: people know what time it is, like you you have

1017
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: to be arm in arm with each other. That's the

1018
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: only way things are are moving. But it's interesting to

1019
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 1: see how even with this controversy too, there's a lot

1020
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: of like you know, fuel being thrown on the fire

1021
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 1: to try and make, you know, make it seem like

1022
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 1: something else. I also just want to say that I

1023
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 1: think the system is really gross and awful, but Angelino's

1024
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: that's that's that was okay by everyone. Actually, we did

1025
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: forget to take our second break, so let's take a

1026
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 1: quick break and then we'll come back and say our

1027
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: official goodbyes and we're back. And you you were just

1028
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 1: saying that the systems gross, and that's all you have

1029
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 1: to say on that the systems gross. But I also

1030
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 1: I think that Angelinos are amazing. And you're absolutely right

1031
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: that people on the street they don't they absolutely don't

1032
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 1: agree with what that vision of you know, of a

1033
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 1: contentious fight between black, black Angelinos and Latino like, it

1034
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: just doesn't That's not how they read the world, that's

1035
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: not how they paid the city around them. And right

1036
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 1: and it's clear that at that level for the nurse

1037
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 1: and Gills and Kevin's of the world, that what that's

1038
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 1: their world view of how power works. And there's clearly

1039
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 1: another version where people look at the ongoing issues and say, well,

1040
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 1: these aren't actually the solutions to these and working to them,

1041
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 1: like working with each other sincerely, is actually how we're

1042
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 1: going to get some like material changes you're saying, and

1043
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: that's the only way. But yeah, yes, exactly. Yeah, it's

1044
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 1: a really troubled time, but you can see that there's

1045
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 1: a lot of possibility on the other side. And I

1046
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 1: think that's at least the part I lean into without

1047
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 1: becoming fully nihilistic about being a lifelong Angelino. Yeah, well,

1048
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 1: where can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff? Uh, yeah,

1049
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 1: you can follow the Council Office. You just look up

1050
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 1: c D four Los Angeles on any of your social

1051
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 1: media platforms. I do some of my policy thinking on

1052
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 1: my personal stuff, so I'm usually at you can just

1053
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 1: look me up at THEA for the city or Nitia

1054
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 1: v Raman on Twitter and Instagram. Um. And I also

1055
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: wanted to plug the United to how's l a ballot

1056
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 1: measure which is amazing and it can actually give us

1057
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 1: the money to build exactly the kind of affordable housing

1058
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 1: and homeless solutions that we need to to get us

1059
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 1: out of this moment of crisis. And that's I'm gonna

1060
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 1: that's going to be on your ballot. You should already

1061
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 1: have your ballots at home if you live in the

1062
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 1: l A. And it's taxes real estate sales over some

1063
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 1: number of million dollars. I mean, it's not going to

1064
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 1: impact ordinary people, and it's going to generate a lot

1065
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 1: of money for for all the good stuff that we

1066
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 1: need to be building, the concrete stuff that we need

1067
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 1: to be building. So United's how's l a boat? Yes,

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Speaker 1: there you go. And is there a tweet or some

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Speaker 1: of the work of social media you've been enjoying? Oh gosh,

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Speaker 1: we're a show. I mean, you know some other work

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Speaker 1: of social media that I've been enjoying. Social is your currency?

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Speaker 1: What are you enjoying? Oh? Allow us to tell you

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Speaker 1: that from you? I need enjoyed that. Well, I will look.

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Speaker 1: You can find me at Miles of Gray on Twitter

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Speaker 1: and Instagram. Also checked Jack and I out on Miles

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Speaker 1: and Jack Got Mad Basketball for our podcast and also

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Speaker 1: if you like y fiance checked me and Sophia Alexandrow

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Speaker 1: on Four Day Fiance. The Predictions episode this this week

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Speaker 1: because the season is beginning. Yes, yes, wait for some

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Speaker 1: real off base predictions. Must Some tweets that I like,

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Speaker 1: Let's see first. One is from Costs at cost on

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Speaker 1: c a a underscore tweeted as a hater, I'm so

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Speaker 1: happy Tom Brady came out of retirement watching him go

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Speaker 1: out sad He's even better than I could have imagined.

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Speaker 1: Uh And I was like in that one. And then

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Speaker 1: Miss Hollywood at Carter for Real tweeted fake passed out

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Speaker 1: on my three year old daughter and she still didn't call.

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Speaker 1: She punched me in my face and yelled, you can't

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Speaker 1: die right now. That's ridiculous. Also like maybe my worst

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Speaker 1: nightmare as a child, you know what I mean, Like

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Speaker 1: when I should be like watching my parents sleep and stuff.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, Yeah, I'm I'm always tempted to do that,

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Speaker 1: to be like how they react? How would they react?

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Speaker 1: But I don't. I don't get Yeah, I've yet to

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Speaker 1: pretend I was dead for my four and six year

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Speaker 1: old for your Weekend at Bernie's emotional test. Yeah, yeah, alright.

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Speaker 1: Some tweets I've been enjoying Old Tom at Yucky Tom tweeted,

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Speaker 1: got high. I went to the gym and I turned

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Speaker 1: to my buddy and said, who's this guy? Supposed to

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Speaker 1: be Steve Pineapple? And when he said what, I realized

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Speaker 1: this was a character of my own creation, from deep

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Speaker 1: within my subconscious and not a reference burn anyone would understand.

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Speaker 1: And that just brought me back to the weirdness of

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Speaker 1: being high back when I was also not good on

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Speaker 1: Big Spooky Dead tweeted, I went to the Silly Goose

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Speaker 1: convention and they all knew you, which is just a

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Speaker 1: good thing to say to people. And then on the

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Speaker 1: subject of local politics, you know, as this is a

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Speaker 1: good way to put put something in terms I can understand.

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Speaker 1: Brent to dairy and twittered a picture of a T

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Speaker 1: shirt at a one of the baseball games that was

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Speaker 1: happening this weekend, said, the shirt makes a really good point.

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Speaker 1: Vote and the shirt says the mayor from Jaws is

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Speaker 1: still the mayor in Jaws too. It is so important

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Speaker 1: to vote in your local elections. In facts, how he

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Speaker 1: how he weathered that storm of being like we're keeping

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Speaker 1: the damn beaches open, shark attacks be damned and then

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Speaker 1: like three people got eaten in front of everyone, like

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Speaker 1: it was a spectator sport. That's I don't know what

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Speaker 1: his comms team must have been putting in work. Spectacular, constant. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: one of the best to ever do it. You can

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Speaker 1: find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien. You can

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Speaker 1: find us on Twitter at daily Zeitgeist. We're at dee

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Speaker 1: daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a fifth book fan

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Speaker 1: page on a website daily zeygeist dot com where we

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Speaker 1: post our episod, we done our foot notes, or we

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Speaker 1: link off to the information that we talked about in

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Speaker 1: today's episode, as well as the song that we think

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Speaker 1: you might enjoy. Hey, Miles, what's the song that we

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Speaker 1: think people might enjoy it? Oh? Man, I'm telling you. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So this is I'm gonna I'm back on my drumming

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Speaker 1: bass thing. Okay, I know it's some sometimes you were

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Speaker 1: like Miles, right, you listening so much drumming bass because

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Speaker 1: sometimes it feels free and to listen to drumm and

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Speaker 1: bass while you're bicycling around the city. Okay. And there's

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Speaker 1: this one is a fantastic mashup of a Brazilian track

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Speaker 1: that I think is I want to say, let me

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Speaker 1: just make sure I know who the original track is.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so Barbatukas, who's like the Brazilian version of Stomp.

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Speaker 1: They have a track called Buyana and then this artist

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Speaker 1: called Nia Archives did a drum and bass remixed to it,

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Speaker 1: and just as somebody who loves Brazilian music and drum

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Speaker 1: and bass, it was just a very pleasant surprise to hear.

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Speaker 1: So this is Buyanna by Nia Archives. Listen to it

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Speaker 1: while you b Yeah, maybe do a little freestyle like

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Speaker 1: you know, look, you're just all over you know. I'm

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Speaker 1: not trying to put people in danger out there, spect

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Speaker 1: if you can't freestyle, so maybe free style bike and

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Speaker 1: put on your makeup. That would be truly amazing. I

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Speaker 1: was doing their makeup well if so, send video for proof.

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Speaker 1: The Daily Zye Guys the production of My Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you're listening to

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Speaker 1: your favorite shows. That is going to do it for

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Speaker 1: us this morning, back this afternoon to tell you what

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Speaker 1: is trending and bye bye