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Speaker 2: Welcome to Truecrime Tonight on iHeartRadio, where we talk truecrime

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Speaker 2: all the time. We've made it to Thursday, December eighteenth.

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Speaker 2: Stephanie is out tonight, but don't worry because we do

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Speaker 2: have a stacked night of headlines for you. And that

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Speaker 2: is something of an understatement. I am Courtney Armstrong, lucky

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Speaker 2: enough to be here with my buddy Boddy Movin and

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Speaker 2: producer Taha and Sam and Adam controlling things in the

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Speaker 2: control room. So first breaking news, there has been an

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Speaker 2: update in the Brown University shooter investigation.

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Speaker 3: We'll get to that immediately.

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Speaker 2: We also have disturbing new photos we're going to discuss

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Speaker 2: that have been released by sex offender Jeff Epstein's estate.

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Speaker 3: Some of them are head scratchers, I would say.

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Speaker 2: We're going to get into what the judge had to

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Speaker 2: say at Brian Walsh's murder sentencing, which happened earlier today

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Speaker 2: as well. The next move in the luigiman Gi owned

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Speaker 2: case now rests with the judge.

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Speaker 3: So body, big breath.

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Speaker 4: It seems like every time we go to air, there's

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Speaker 4: breaking news, and here we are, here, we are like

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Speaker 4: it's been a banner day in true crime news.

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Speaker 2: Right, it's been a frenetic, constantly updating day.

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Speaker 3: That's what it feels like.

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Speaker 4: It's been a crazy day. And we're going to get

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Speaker 4: right to it. Right, let's jump right in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So, most recent authorities say the suspected shooter in

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Speaker 2: the deadly Brown University campus attack has indeed been found dead,

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Speaker 2: and that is from an apparent self inflicted gunshot wound.

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Speaker 2: The suspects name is being reported as forty eight year

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Speaker 2: old Claudio Manuel neviz Valente. The investigators continue probing as

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Speaker 2: a possible link to the murder of an MIT professor

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Speaker 2: that happened just days after the Brown shooting.

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Speaker 3: Right now.

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Speaker 2: The Brown shooting happened on December fourteenth, and it unfolded

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Speaker 2: during an economics review session.

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Speaker 3: Two students were.

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Speaker 2: Killed, nine others were injured, and it triggered a multi

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Speaker 2: state manhunt, which also, if you remember, there was an

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Speaker 2: initial suspect brought into custody whose name unfortunately had been

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Speaker 3: That person was released and now again.

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Speaker 2: According to multiple media outlets, the suspected shooter connected to

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Speaker 2: the mass shooting at Brown is dead.

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Speaker 4: Right, And you know, it's worth mentioning I think that,

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Speaker 4: it's only fifty miles away. Reportedly, the car they're they're

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Speaker 4: the suspect, Claudio is a Portuguese national, right and a

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Speaker 4: student at Brown. But guess what so is the MIT professor. Oh,

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Speaker 4: he's also a Portuguese. Yeah, I mean this is literally

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Speaker 4: is he's also from Portugal.

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Speaker 2: And that's of course, it's information and it is interesting,

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Speaker 4: Are nothing more than that they are investigating it. You know,

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Speaker 4: the authorities are investigating the connection if there is even

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Speaker 4: if there is one, right, we're just mentioning that they

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Speaker 4: are investigating the connection absolutely. And you know what else

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Speaker 4: is interesting, Courtney. The attack at Brown happened in the

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Speaker 4: This professor at MIT was a physics professor, like a

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Speaker 4: like I think he was. He was involved in fission, nuclear.

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Speaker 2: of course you're referring to MIT professor nun Lareo. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I hope I pronounced that correctly. He's a forty two

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Speaker 4: And right, forty seven in this guy's forty eight. The

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Speaker 4: And this this guy, the claudio guy, his last known

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Speaker 4: very interesting. It is all very interesting. Yeah, this is again,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, right, and if there's more info that comes during

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Speaker 2: I'll be very curious what both of you know, what

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Speaker 2: surveillance footage captured this person of interest walking through Brown's

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Speaker 4: M that's interesting. He's scoping out the area in advance.

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Speaker 5: It seems like he would be familiar with it.

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Speaker 2: So seems like it well, I mean I had heard

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Speaker 2: But apparently at the Barris and Holly building that you

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Speaker 3: Maybe like scoping it out.

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Speaker 5: Right, like if someone's there, or maybe if the.

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Speaker 5: It's all very interesting and very.

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Speaker 2: So so far, the key focus of the investigation is

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Speaker 4: Right, this is true crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 4: Laurenio is I hope I'm saying that correctly, And so

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Speaker 5: Yes, and I know this happened a little while back,

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, so it was four days ago.

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Speaker 2: It seems like four lifetimes ago somehow, but it was

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Speaker 2: December fourteenth when the Brown University shooting did happen, and

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Speaker 2: it was in a very large classroom of the Engineering

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Speaker 3: So it was college kids studying.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Brown University has canceled remaining classes and

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Speaker 2: from the scene. The shooter, now identified as forty eight

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Speaker 2: year old Claudio man Well Nevis Valente, fired approximately forty

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Speaker 4: The suspect was a former student at Brown University. Valenti

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Speaker 4: So it's been quite so, Tah, you were, You were right,

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Speaker 5: I still can't get past that. They both are pretty

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Speaker 4: They're both from the same country. I don't know if

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Speaker 5: Such correct region, same country. They studied similar and taha,

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Speaker 2: When you're saying both, you're referring to the suspect, Claudiu

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Speaker 2: Manuel Nevis Valente and the MIT professor who was killed, right.

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Speaker 5: Right, thank you precisely.

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Speaker 4: So, yeah, so he was a former student studying physics. Interesting,

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Speaker 4: And he's also from Portugal, the physics professor. Interesting.

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Speaker 5: I'll be body.

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Speaker 3: What's the word you use.

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Speaker 2: It's not victimology, it's the background of the suspect. I'm

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Speaker 4: Had he was in the field. Was the professor competitor,

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Speaker 4: Right and we know that they opened right before this act,

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Speaker 4: Right right, and now the Gilaine Maxwell you know, a

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Speaker 2: Yes, but okay, So if you haven't spent you're day

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Speaker 5: I can do it. No, keep going. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: David books, that's it.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that is the report journalist. Yeah, the journalist, Thank

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Speaker 5: Also with that one, didn't it also say I'm sure

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Speaker 5: Oh, taha, I would like this. You know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: I would be saying it to your assistant or delay,

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Speaker 5: M it's interesting that something.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, there's also some pictures of redacted passports and visas.

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Speaker 5: Disturbing.

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Speaker 2: So some of the photographs, some of the pictures direct

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Speaker 4: And can we remind our viewers or listeners what Lolita

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Speaker 5: Tells the next part, right, thank you for setting that stage.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that that is absolutely right, and just

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Speaker 5: Because there's such close up shots so it's hard to see.

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Speaker 4: You know, she she was, She's a literature major. She

438
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Speaker 4: was literally be you know, screaming right now.

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Speaker 5: Yes, she would, right, yeah, I know she would have

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Speaker 5: a fit.

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Speaker 4: But okay, this is true crime tonight on iHeart Radio.

442
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 4: We're talking true crime all the time. We're right in

443
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,959
Speaker 4: the middle of giving an Epstein update because there's been

444
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Speaker 4: a new dump of photographs that were released today by

445
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 4: the Democratic House Committee, the Oversight Committee, and we're just

446
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 4: kind of going through the details on some of them

447
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 4: because some of them are kind of creepy. If you

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Speaker 4: want to weigh and give us a call eight to

449
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Speaker 4: eight thirty one crime or leave us a talkback on

450
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Speaker 4: the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 3: What are some of the other ones coring?

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Speaker 2: Okay, there's a picture that shows a prescription bottle of

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Speaker 2: a medicine that you used to help treat urinary attract infections.

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Speaker 3: There's one that's.

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00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 2: Made the rounds quite a bit, and you see Jeffrey

456
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 2: Epstein sitting on what looks like an office chair that

457
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 2: looks like there's a desk with a computer in front

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Speaker 2: of him. There are three girls. Their faces are blacked out.

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Speaker 2: I said girls. You can't tell their age, but if

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Speaker 2: I described them, I'd say they have new bile, young bodies.

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Speaker 3: They're they're clothed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah I don't want both, yeah, absolutely fully clothed. But

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Speaker 2: there's three. One is standing behind Jeffrey sort of hugging

464
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Speaker 2: his neck, another one is sitting close to him, and

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Speaker 2: then a third is looks like kneeling and doing something

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Speaker 2: on the computer with her back to Jeffrey Ebstein.

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Speaker 4: Right, are those soundproof tiles?

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Speaker 5: I was asking the same thing earlier. That looks soundproof

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00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 5: to me. It's like a textured almost wallpaper. But it's

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Speaker 5: for people who haven't seen it. It almost looks like,

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Speaker 5: I don't know, maybe four by five boxes, but they're

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Speaker 5: not all sticking out at the same buzz right, So

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Speaker 5: it looks it looks like it it could be maybe

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Speaker 5: that's a music studio.

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Speaker 3: Possibly maybe, because yeah, it looks like egg crate wall.

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00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 5: Which is yeah, yeah, that's a good description. Yeah. And

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00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:54,959
Speaker 5: then a really weird picture.

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Speaker 3: I was going to.

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Speaker 5: Say, do you want to describe it? First question.

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Speaker 4: I mean, there's there's a tiny I mean, like this

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Speaker 4: wall is pretty large, and there's this tiny, itty bitty

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Speaker 4: squared photograph. It almost looks like the guy from Mad magazine,

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Speaker 4: you know, yes, and it's he's just a man with

484
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Speaker 4: a it's a cartoon and he's just smiling. It's just

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Speaker 4: a very strange photograph or drawing.

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Speaker 5: That.

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Speaker 4: What's interesting about it to me though, is how small

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Speaker 4: it is in comparison to the wall itself, so out

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Speaker 4: of place.

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Speaker 3: It's tiny little picture.

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Speaker 4: It kind of reminds me of a little bit of

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Speaker 4: the weirdness of the dentist room with the masks, the

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00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 4: weird dentist chair and the masks that are hanging on

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Speaker 4: the wall.

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Speaker 5: The.

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Speaker 7: Photo with Steve Bannon with the picture on the table.

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Speaker 7: It's like it's always just so weird. There's always something

498
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Speaker 7: very bizarre about what.

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Speaker 3: You're looking at.

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Speaker 4: These aren't like normal rooms or something.

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Speaker 2: It's like David Fincher is doing art direction for this.

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00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 2: There's just thing off and David Fincher did Mulholland Drive.

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00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 2: I'm sure Adam and Sam you can Lynch, David Lynch,

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00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 2: excuse mech, I knew exactly what.

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Speaker 1: I know.

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00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 5: We're all agreeing and know who you're talking about.

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00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yes, there's something that is askew and unsettling.

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00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 5: Hmm. Yeah.

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00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 4: Like the word that comes to mind is like uncanny valley.

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00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 4: But that's not it. But it's almost like that, like

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Speaker 4: it just doesn't it doesn't belong right. It's very it's

512
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 4: very odd, but that doesn't you.

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Speaker 5: Know, mean, yeah, it doesn't mean. I mean, from the beginning,

514
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Speaker 5: I thought this kind of money and this is the

515
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Speaker 5: kind of people do like these, yeah, tiny pictures, Like

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Speaker 5: I think I would hire someone.

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Speaker 2: But I'm very judgmental, right now, I mean, listen, this

518
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 2: is this should be judged.

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Speaker 3: I mean one of the pictures.

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Speaker 2: And remember, body said, Lalita is very famous and it's

521
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Speaker 2: about a middle aged man who is obsessed with his

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Speaker 2: twelve year old stepdaughter. And you know one picture is

523
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Speaker 2: of the book and you see a woman's foots her

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00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: toenails are painted black, and it is another quote from

525
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 2: the book Lolita. She was low, playing low in the morning,

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Speaker 2: standing four feet ten in one sock.

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Speaker 5: What a creedy well, yeah, everything about it? What's too

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Speaker 5: creepy for me?

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Speaker 2: It has been a busy, busy night with many updates

530
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Speaker 2: coming at us in real time. But something important we

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Speaker 2: have to get to is an update on the Bondai

532
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Speaker 2: Beach mass shooting.

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Speaker 3: Body, can you fill us in?

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00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, So, the surviving suspect in the Bondai Beach mass

535
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 4: shooting has been charged with dozens dozens of serious offenses

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00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 4: as funerals start to begin for the fifteen victims of

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Speaker 4: the attack, So so so the shooting. The shooting occurred

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Speaker 4: Sunday at a beachside Hanaka celebration in Cindy's Bondi Beach area,

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Speaker 4: leaving fifteen people dead and dozens more injured. Two suspects,

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00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 4: father and son, were shot by police on scene, the

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Speaker 4: father dying on the scene and their surviving son, you know,

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00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 4: now facing these formal charges. They've charged the surviving suspect

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Speaker 4: with murder, terrorism, and grievous bodily harm with intent to murder.

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00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 4: The suspect faces a total of fifty nine charges. A

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00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 4: documents fifty nine charges right. He remains hospitalized under police

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Speaker 4: guard after coming out of a coma on Tuesday. A

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00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 4: bail hearing was set was held via video link on

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Speaker 4: Wednesday and no bail was requested. So, this dude is

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00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 4: in a coma. He wakes up, He's like, oh my god,

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Speaker 4: I'm in this hospital bed. I'm a terrorist. You know,

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Speaker 4: I've shot all these people, and they they wheel in

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Speaker 4: the cameras and like, here you go. You're going to

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Speaker 4: your hearing.

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Speaker 5: Can you imagine? Good for him?

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Speaker 6: I mean, I'm.

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Speaker 5: So exactly exactly.

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Speaker 4: So, this bail hearing was held via video link yesterday

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00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 4: and no bail was requested. Authorities said improvised explosive devices

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00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 4: were found in the suspects vehicle. Oh wow, they had

560
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 4: improvised like IEDs. This is what they used, a flu jah,

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Speaker 4: you know, against the troops and stuff, all those you know,

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00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 4: brave American men and women you know in Iraq. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: horrible funerals for victims began Wednesday, drawing large crowds mourners,

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Speaker 4: and as of Wednesday, twenty injured people remain hospitalized, including

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Speaker 4: two police officers. So justices around the corner for that.

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Speaker 2: Well, listen, Australia, our thoughts, our prayers, definitely, all of

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Speaker 2: it is with you to hold such a special place

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Speaker 2: in all of our hearts. This is Suagrime tonight on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: I'm Courtney Armstrong, so lucky to be here with body

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Speaker 2: Movin and we've been talking about the Hanuka Bandai Beach

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Speaker 2: mass shooting.

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Speaker 3: If you want to weigh in, we'd love to hear

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Speaker 3: from you.

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00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 2: You can either give us a call eighted eight three

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00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 2: one crime or hit us up on the talkbacks. Also,

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00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 2: just in case you are just joining us, there's been

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Speaker 2: a very recent updates. Authority say the suspected shooter at

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00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,720
Speaker 2: the deadly Brown University campus attack has been found dead

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00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 2: from an apparent self inflicted gun wound shot gunshot wound

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00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 2: rather and his name is being reported as forty eight

581
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 2: year old Claudio Manuel Neves Balente. So we will keep

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Speaker 2: you posted and body you have yet another story that

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Speaker 2: we wanted to get into.

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Speaker 4: Joran van der Sloot's name I haven't heard for quite

585
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 4: some time, but he I know we all here are

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00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 4: familiar with him. But for those who aren't, he is

587
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 4: the man who is linked or you know, confessed to

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Speaker 4: the murder of American teen Natalie Holloway in Aruba in

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Speaker 4: two thousand and five. He's serving time in Peru for

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Speaker 4: murdering a woman named Stephanie. Let me just tell you

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Speaker 4: what happened, and I'll go into the backstory, But let

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Speaker 4: me just tell you what happened. Prisons guards say that

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00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 4: they found Jorin van der Slut trying to take his

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00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 4: own life in prison. He was hanging himself. They were

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00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 4: serving breakfast. They were serving breakfast, and he was found

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Speaker 4: in his cell with a blanket tied around his neck

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00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 4: during this routine, you know, breakfast. They immediately rushed him

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00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 4: to the facilities medical ward, where his condition was later

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Speaker 4: described as stable. So the for the backstory, Natalie Holloway.

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Speaker 4: She was eighteen years old. She was from Alabama. She

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Speaker 4: went to Aruba in May of two thousand and five,

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Speaker 4: and this case became like one of the most widely

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00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 4: you know, widely followed cases in modern history. I mean

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00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 4: this case went for I mean it was all over.

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00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 4: Nancy Grace was talking about it every single day, everywhere,

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Speaker 4: inside edition, a current affair, like hard copy, remember these shows.

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00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 3: Everybody was talking about this.

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Speaker 4: She was on a graduation trip in Aruba with classmates

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Speaker 4: when she vanished after a night out. When Natalie failed

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Speaker 4: to board her return flight home, and an international search

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00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 4: began almost immediately, drawing intense media attention and sparking years

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00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 4: of public scrutiny, speculation, and heartbreak for her family. Her mom,

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Speaker 4: Beth was like she never gave up looking for her daughter.

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Speaker 4: She was a powerhouse, Wowspiringuba. She was in Aruba, she

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00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 4: was in a Ruba and she disappeared. She never got

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00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 4: back on her plane.

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00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 5: Nothing.

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Speaker 4: So early in the investigation, Dutch nationals, you know he's Dutch.

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Speaker 4: Joran Vanderslute emerged as this primary person of interest because

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Speaker 4: he was last seen with her in the early morning

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Speaker 4: hours outside of this nightclub that they all went to

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Speaker 4: So although vander Slute wasn't you know, never he was

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Speaker 4: arrested will times by the Erubian authorities, but he was

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Speaker 4: never charged in her disappearance. The case was complicated by

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Speaker 4: jurisdictional limits, inconsistent statements, lack of physical evidence, and shifting

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Speaker 4: accounts from those who were last seen with her. In

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00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 4: the years that followed, Van der Slute repeatedly changed his

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00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 4: story about what happened to Natalie. You know, he had

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Speaker 4: multiple stories and conflicting versions, claiming at different points that

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Speaker 4: she left on her own, or that she collapsed after

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Speaker 4: an accidental injury, or that others were involved. Now keep

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00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 4: in mind Aruba does not have a statue or they

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00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 4: do have a statute of limitations on murders. It's only

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00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 4: twelve years, which is crazy to me.

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00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 5: Wow, that's why.

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00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't remember that fact. So anyway, he never

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00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 4: got arrested. But in twenty ten he escalated his involvement

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00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 4: in the case by extorting Natalie's mother that was desperate

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Speaker 4: for information. Okay, she's desperate for information. He demanded two

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00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty thousand dollars in exchange for information about

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00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,760
Speaker 4: where Natalie's body could be found.

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Speaker 5: So Beth, how joining her the mother, the mom? This

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00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 5: part I really didn't know this part?

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Speaker 3: Oh you didn't. Okay, Well, buckle up.

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00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 4: So two hundred three, Beth Holloway and federal authorities cooperated

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00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 4: in a controlled operation during which vander Slute accepted an

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Speaker 4: initial payment and provided information that proved to be fake.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 4: This extortion scheme led to his arrest and later conviction

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Speaker 4: in the United States on federal charges independent of Natalie's disappearance.

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00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 4: So he got convicted of extortion, all right. Just days

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Speaker 4: later after this extortion payment, vander Slut murdered Stephanie Flores.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god, a twenty.

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Speaker 4: One year old woman in Peru. He was convicted and

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Speaker 4: sentenced to prison there, which is where he's at right now.

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Speaker 5: And why he tried to hang himself right today?

657
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Speaker 4: Rights, right? So that's the backstory. Wow, does it all

658
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 4: make sense? Yes?

659
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Speaker 5: You told it so well. I feel like you painted

660
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 5: the picture in a perfect way to in.

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Speaker 2: Two thousand and five, I hadn't realized this, but just

662
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 2: a couple of days ago, three days ago, Netflix made

663
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Speaker 2: a big announcement that they're set to release a three

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Speaker 2: part documentaries.

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Speaker 5: Natalie there's a connection between the two. Like, I wonder,

666
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Speaker 5: is he aware that that was going.

667
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 2: To well, well, that's that's what I was wondering. Body's

668
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 2: shaking your head, no, but I wonder.

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Speaker 4: He I did you know a little bit of research

670
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 4: this morning when I read the article that this happened,

671
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Speaker 4: and he had been complaining for quite some time that

672
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Speaker 4: he's been feeling depressed about his incarceration.

673
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Speaker 3: One thing that I need.

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00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 4: To tell you guys too, though, is that he did

675
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 4: confess eventually to Natalie's death. He did confess so in October,

676
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 4: and this is very recently. In October of twenty twenty three,

677
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 4: while he was imprisoned, Jordan Vanderslut formally confessed to killing

678
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Speaker 4: Natalie Holloway as part of a plea agreement in the

679
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 4: United States related to the extortion case. So this extortion

680
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 4: thing that he tried to pull, he pled with it,

681
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 4: and part of the plea was to confess and give

682
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 4: details about what happened to Natalie and what happened. He

683
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 4: admitted that he beat her to death on the beach

684
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 4: in Aruba after she rejected his sexual advances, and said

685
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Speaker 4: he disposed of her body in the ocean while this

686
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 4: confession finally provided a lot of you know, official acknowledgment

687
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Speaker 4: of responsibility. It didn't bring full closure. Natalie's remains have

688
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 4: never been recovered and some details can't be independently verified, right, so,

689
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 4: you know, poor Beth Holloway. And from what I remember too,

690
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 4: Jordan Vandersut's family, his dad was like trying to cover

691
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Speaker 4: for him, and you know they come from some means,

692
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 4: some lice.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that part I remember. He's a typical I

694
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 5: guess Stephanie would say, very an entitled title and she

695
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 5: would be having a field day with this one.

696
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Speaker 2: Can you imagine, like the absence of soul? You must

697
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 2: have to not just beat a teenage girl to death

698
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 2: and throw her in the ocean, and then go ahead

699
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 2: and extort the dead girl's mother like what he's kind

700
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Speaker 2: of insides?

701
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Speaker 3: Do you have to be able to do that or

702
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Speaker 3: even think of it?

703
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Speaker 5: Right?

704
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Speaker 2: And then go murder some a twenty one year old

705
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Speaker 2: woman in Peru, Stephanie Flores.

706
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Speaker 4: Stephanie Flores, Yeah, he murdered her in a hotel room

707
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 4: from what I remember, And he was convicted very quickly,

708
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 4: very quick from what I remember, he was convicted very quickly.

709
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Speaker 4: So he's serving time I think twenty eight years. He's

710
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Speaker 4: serving in Peru and that's where he's at right now,

711
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 4: and that's where he tried to kill himself. But he

712
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 4: is in stable condition. He is going to survive.

713
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Speaker 5: Now.

714
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Speaker 4: If he does, you know, make it through the twenty

715
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 4: eight years, he will be extradited to the United States

716
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 4: to serve a twenty year sentence for the extortion. Oh ah,

717
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 4: so that's great, right And for those who are like,

718
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 4: kind of like, why isn't he going to be arrested

719
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Speaker 4: for the murder? Will the murder happened in Aruba, and

720
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Speaker 4: so the charges would need to happen there. And there

721
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Speaker 4: is a limit of years on how long in you know, Aruba,

722
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Speaker 4: you could be you know, convicted of a crime for

723
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Speaker 4: and it's twelve years. Here in the United States, we

724
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 4: don't have a statute limitation on murder, but in Aruba

725
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 4: they do. It's twelve years. I can't believe that.

726
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Speaker 5: I mean, it's crazy, ridiculously short. Do we know how

727
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 5: old he is Jordan?

728
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 4: Oh gosh, I don't know how old he is right now,

729
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 4: but he was around I think he was like twenty.

730
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Speaker 3: Twenty two or so.

731
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Speaker 5: He's around twenty years when when in the US where

732
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Speaker 5: he won't be getting out anytime soon.

733
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Speaker 4: I mean he'll well, I mean I think the earliest

734
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Speaker 4: he would ever see freedom would be like seventy years old.

735
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Speaker 2: Or okay, he's thirty eight years old. He was born

736
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Speaker 2: in eighty seven.

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Speaker 5: Okay, okay, okay, So all right, Wow, I can't believe

738
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Speaker 5: we've never covered that story either, because that's such a

739
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Speaker 5: big one.

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Speaker 4: It's a I mean, this was like everywhere in the

741
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 4: early two thousands for years. I remember Nancy Greene talking

742
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 4: about it like every night. Yeah, and she had Beth

743
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 4: Hollyway would come on. Now, Beth Holloway never gave up,

744
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 4: and all she wanted was to bury her daughter. That's

745
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 4: all she wanted. And she's never gotten that. And so

746
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 4: some you know, this case is like a really good example,

747
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 4: you know, like you know, the confession confirmed what they

748
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 4: long believed, but it also you know, underscored this truth that,

749
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 4: you know Lingerton's two thousand and five. Accountability doesn't always

750
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 4: come with answers and justice doesn't always come with peace.

751
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 5: Right. Wow, it sucks.

752
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 4: You know, just because you know they have information doesn't

753
00:43:58,640 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 4: give them any peace at all.

754
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 5: It's so sad. It is sad. It's terrible. Yeah, wow,

755
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 5: well that that Yeah, thank you for keeping us up

756
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:11,240
Speaker 5: to speed on that. Of course, of course we'll continue

757
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 5: following anything else or anything more with that. But in

758
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 5: the meantime, Sam and Adam, maybe we have Do we

759
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 5: have enough time for a talk back down things out

760
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 5: of this segment?

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Speaker 3: Okay, Hey, it's Lisa from Pittsburgh.

762
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Speaker 8: I love love, love, love love you all, and I

763
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 8: hate to even make this call, but I would love

764
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 8: to hear some more person first language when we are

765
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 8: talking about the Rhiner case.

766
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 9: I've heard the words tweaker from at it multiple times,

767
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 9: and I would love to hear that switch to more

768
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 9: person first language, like a person with addiction. Just like

769
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 9: with diabetes. From now on, we don't say bettek. We

770
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 9: say person with diabetes. Love you See.

771
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Speaker 4: I didn't know that I'm learning stuff from I'm learning

772
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 4: stuff every day. It's never our intention to you know, obviously,

773
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Speaker 4: we don't ever want to offend anything, you know, but

774
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 4: I but I do believe we kind of were reporting

775
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 4: on the hotel. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a quote from that the detectives or

777
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 2: investigators release that one of the person who checked Nick

778
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 2: Reiner into the hotel in Santa Monica after he allegedly

779
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 2: stabbed his mother and father, Rob and Melissa Reiner to death.

780
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Speaker 3: And they said he appeared to be a tweaker.

781
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 5: Or he was tweaked. I think he was tweeting something

782
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 5: like yeah.

783
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Speaker 4: And then I think we might have gone on a

784
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 4: little bit about it, but you're sorry we did definitely didn't,

785
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 4: you know, mean anything. I'm learning that I didn't know that,

786
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 4: So thank you for going to be men.

787
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Speaker 5: And also saying that someone is an addict like I

788
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 5: used that, you know, just the same conversational way, so same.

789
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 4: I mean, I said it about my brother the other night.

790
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 4: My brother's an alcoholic.

791
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's something to be conscious of. And I'm

792
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 5: sure I'll slept occasionally and still go back. But thank you, Lisa.

793
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 5: We appreciate those talk backs that keep us on the

794
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 5: right path.

795
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah. And then on the word which again

796
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 2: note taken, and thank you.

797
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 3: What you don't know, you don't know? And I also did.

798
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Speaker 2: Not, but I read an article is from a reporter

799
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:18,760
Speaker 2: who ten years back had dinner with the entire Reiner family,

800
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 2: including you know, Nick and dad Rob and what Rob

801
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 2: Reiner said was that two books helped him really connect

802
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 2: with his son who he was unable to connect with

803
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,879
Speaker 2: Nick and that was Beautiful Boy, which has been turned

804
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,720
Speaker 2: into a movie, and actually another book called Speaker, which

805
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 2: is a really memoir. So anyways, stick around because coming

806
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 2: up at the top of the hour, critical hearing raps

807
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,399
Speaker 2: in the Luigi Maanngi own case and one decision could

808
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 2: change everything. Also, we have an update in the Brian

809
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 2: Walsh murder trial. Keep it here at True Crime Tonight,

810
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 2: We're talking true crime all the time.

811
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Speaker 4: This is your Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio, where we're talking

812
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 4: true crime all the time. I'm body Movin and I'm

813
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:19,240
Speaker 4: here with producer Courtney Armstrong and producer Taha ros Now listen.

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Speaker 4: We have a quick update at the top of the

815
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 4: hour about the Brown University shooting. Authorities say the suspected

816
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:31,280
Speaker 4: shooter in the deadly Brown University campus and the MIT

817
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 4: shooting has been found dead from an apparent self inflicted

818
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 4: gunshot wound. His name is being reported as forty eight

819
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 4: year old Claudio Manuel Nevez Valente. The investigators continue probing

820
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 4: all things surrounding him, and this news is coming in

821
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 4: fast and furious, and we're kind of flying by the

822
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 4: seat of our pants, and I'm going to read you

823
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Speaker 4: what is going on right now. So, federal authorities announced

824
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 4: that the suspect in the shooting involving the Brown University

825
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 4: and an MIT professor has been found dead inside a

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Speaker 4: storage facility in New Hampshire, Providence. Police identified the suspect

827
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Speaker 4: as forty eight year old Claudio Manuel Nevis Valente. He's

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Speaker 4: a former Brown University and Portuguese national from Miami. According

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Speaker 4: to Colonel Oscar L. Perez Junior, Nevis Valenti was born

830
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 4: in Portugal and became a US legal permanent resident in

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Speaker 4: twenty seventeen after arriving as a student in two thousand.

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Speaker 4: Rhode Island Attorney General Peter n'rona said, I'm hopefully.

833
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 5: I butchered that man.

834
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Speaker 3: We're doing the best we can.

835
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Speaker 5: We're doing the best we can here.

836
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Speaker 4: So when the authorities entered this storage facility to serve

837
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Speaker 4: the warrant, he was dead. So what's interesting about this too,

838
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 4: is that this this MIT professor who is also you know,

839
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Speaker 4: he was a physics person as well as the suspect.

840
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 4: A studied physics. They went to school together in Portugal. Wow,

841
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 4: and that's like the connection. So you know, that's you know,

842
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 4: because because the suspect, the guy who's dead, studied physics

843
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:09,919
Speaker 4: with the professor who he killed in Portugal and he's

844
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Speaker 4: a professor of physics and this attack occurred at the

845
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Speaker 4: physics building in at Brown University.

846
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 5: Oh, there's just a lot there.

847
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 3: There's a lot.

848
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 5: It's like a trayanglev but all those connections.

849
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, so as news comes out, we're going to continue

850
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 4: updating everyone throughout the hour if there's any you know,

851
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 4: really really important information. But what do we have next?

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00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 4: On the plate? Courtney?

853
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 3: This plate is full this place I.

854
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:41,280
Speaker 2: Know, me, I know, And okay, moving on Luigiman Gione.

855
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, the nine day.

856
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 2: Pre trial suppression hearing in the Mangion, New York murder

857
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 2: case has concluded.

858
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 3: It is over.

859
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 2: And what that means is that now Judge Harrow has

860
00:49:56,280 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 2: until May eighteenth to decide which evidence be admissible at

861
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 2: the trial.

862
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 3: Can we all.

863
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 5: Just yeah, that seems like an eternity.

864
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Speaker 2: It makes me feel impatient and it probably I know,

865
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 2: the wheels of justice blah blae blah.

866
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Speaker 5: Is a common body or is this I mean, is

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Speaker 5: it's Okay, this is not an unusually very common Okay,

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Speaker 5: and you.

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Speaker 2: Know, even we said, you know, they do need judges

870
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Speaker 2: should be given time to actually give thoughtful consideration and

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Speaker 2: to weigh things in a measured way. So I'm on

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Speaker 2: the one hand all for it, Yeah, the other it

873
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Speaker 2: seems far.

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Speaker 5: So.

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Speaker 2: Now Luigi Mangione, he's twenty seven years old and has

876
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Speaker 2: been charged with the December twenty twenty four murder of

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Speaker 2: United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson that happened in Manhattan, and

878
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 2: I'm sure most of us remember that because it absolutely

879
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 2: blanket and dominated the news one year ago. Mangi Owne

880
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 2: faces both New York York state as well as federal charges,

881
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 2: and that includes the possibility of the death penalty. Yeah,

882
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 2: these pre trial suppression hearings, they've really focused on whether

883
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 2: evidence seesed without a warrant, as well as statements that

884
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 2: the accused shooter, man Geone, made before his miranda rights

885
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 2: were read to him, can indeed be used at his

886
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 2: state trial. And we unpacked it quite a bit with

887
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:37,959
Speaker 2: our prosecutor, Jarrett Farentino last night, which was great. But yeah,

888
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 2: the trial nine days over three weeks, and the defense rested.

889
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 2: Its interesting to note without calling any witnesses.

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Speaker 5: Oh, that's interesting.

891
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:50,919
Speaker 3: I guess it makes sense.

892
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 2: I mean.

893
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 3: They pushed it back.

894
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 4: They just want to challenge the evidence that the state

895
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 4: wants to present, right, So yeah, yeah, that makes sense

896
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 4: to me that they wouldn't at present, they wouldn't call anyone, right.

897
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 3: I know that they wanted to.

898
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 4: I know that they wanted to question one of the

899
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 4: one of the detectives, but the state pulled him back

900
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Speaker 4: and they didn't test He didn't testify, so I know

901
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 4: that the defense was disappointed about that. I watched the

902
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 4: press conference today. His name escapes to me at the moment,

903
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 4: But yeah, they were disappointed that they didn't get to

904
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Speaker 4: cross him. But I think the state were. They were

905
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 4: onto it, and they were like, no, we're not going

906
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Speaker 4: to put him up there.

907
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Speaker 5: So it's interesting. Did anything else stand out during the

908
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 5: press conference that you saw today? Not really nothing? Okay.

909
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Speaker 2: Do you know if that means that that detective wouldn't

910
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 2: later be able at the actual trial to be put.

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00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 5: On as I'm sure he would. Oh, I'm sure he would.

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00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure he would.

913
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 4: I think they were just gonna I don't remember now,

914
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Speaker 4: honest I shouldn't have said it, because now I don't remember,

915
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 4: but no, I just remember going, oh, that's interesting, but yeah,

916
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Speaker 4: that's right, and it is.

917
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 2: Now I'm remembering as well. It was the New York

918
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Speaker 2: PD detective Oscar.

919
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 5: D Yes, thank you. Yes.

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Speaker 4: And what's interesting about all this is that it really

921
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 4: evolves what law needs to be followed Pennsylvania or New York. Right,

922
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 4: the murder happened in New York. For those who need

923
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Speaker 4: you aren't familiar, the murder happened in downtown Manhattan or

924
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Speaker 4: midtown Manhattan. Luigi hopped on a bus, went to Pennsylvania

925
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Speaker 4: and he was arrested in Pennsylvania. And the laws are

926
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Speaker 4: different in each state. Well, the detective from New York

927
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Speaker 4: drove to Pennsylvania to question Luigi. And this is where all,

928
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 4: you know, the pre child hearings have been focused on,

929
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Speaker 4: is you know he was being recorded. He wasn't informed,

930
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Speaker 4: he asked for an attorney, and the detective, I guess,

931
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Speaker 4: just kept recording.

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Speaker 3: So that's the crux of.

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Speaker 5: This issue, right, the crux of this issue.

934
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but the prosecut the state has agreed to pull

935
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Speaker 2: anything that has statements, the statements that occurred after the

936
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Speaker 2: point at which Mangione said, I would like legal counsel

937
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 2: so that they just on their own right and this

938
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Speaker 2: detail and I don't know what it's referring to, but

939
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Speaker 2: you know, back to who you mentioned, body about Oscar Diaz,

940
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Speaker 2: the detective who did not take the stand. The defense's

941
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Speaker 2: the defense attorneys. They were prepared to question him to

942
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Speaker 2: quote correct a statement they claim was never made, and

943
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Speaker 2: it was.

944
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Speaker 3: Regarding the mom.

945
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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, now it's coming back to me, Yes, something

946
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Speaker 4: about the mom.

947
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Speaker 3: She said.

948
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Speaker 4: They quote he quoted the mom saying like that sounds

949
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Speaker 4: something like Luis you would do or something like that.

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Speaker 3: And she never said that. She never said it.

951
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, that's that's exactly what it was. Thank you, Courtney,

952
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 4: because I was it was escaping me.

953
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so let me just finish this up. I know

954
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 2: we have a lot more to get to, but you know,

955
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 2: back to sort of the fact that it's going to

956
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 2: be in the judge's hand until May. Several things need

957
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:18,919
Speaker 2: to happen, and written submissions for the suppression motion are due.

958
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Speaker 2: The defenses is due by January twenty ninth of next year,

959
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Speaker 2: and the prosecutions is due by March, and the defense

960
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:31,800
Speaker 2: is then allowed two weeks to reply to the prosecution's filing,

961
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 2: so all of that needs to take place for the

962
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 2: judge to weigh and measure of what evidence will be

963
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:42,879
Speaker 2: put in. And then also the next time we will

964
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Speaker 2: see Lui jiman Gione in court is January ninth, but

965
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Speaker 2: that will be for the federal case.

966
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the federal case is goofy to me. Why why so?

967
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Speaker 4: I think they're only filing federal charges on him for

968
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Speaker 4: the death penalty because New York doesn't have one interesting

969
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 4: I really, I really don't. To me, the federal cases

970
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,760
Speaker 4: like so stupid. That's just my opinion. It's just my opinion.

971
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:12,320
Speaker 4: It's just so stupid.

972
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 3: I wish you were clear with your thoughts and feelings.

973
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 5: I know it's right to read you. It's tough.

974
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 4: You'll never you'll never be continused about how I feel,

975
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 4: which is a beauty.

976
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:25,320
Speaker 5: Honestly, I love it so much. It's just so stupid.

977
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 3: It just seems excessive and stupid.

978
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough, Well listen, this is true crime tonight.

979
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Speaker 2: We are on iHeartRadio, trying not to be excessive or stupid,

980
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 2: trying our best. Courtney Armstrong, I am lucky to be

981
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 2: here with body movin and we were just talking about

982
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 2: the culmination of Luigimanjian's pre child hearing. We'd love to

983
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 2: hear from you, so hit us up on the talkbacks.

984
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 2: It's on the iHeartRadio app. If you go to the

985
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 2: upper right hand corner. It's a little red button. You

986
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 2: press the microphone, you leave a voice memo. Boom, you're

987
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 2: on the show and we have a talk back now.

988
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Speaker 5: Hi, this is Stephanie from Missouri. I was just wondering

989
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 5: in the Brian Walsh case, does his kids get the

990
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 5: inheritance that Anna had or does it just go away?

991
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,280
Speaker 5: Thanks a lot, love you guys.

992
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 4: What a good question and I love that you're thinking

993
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 4: about the kids. So yeah, under Massachusetts law, Brian Walsh

994
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 4: cannot receive the inheritance from Anna Walsh because he's been convicted.

995
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 4: He's being treated basically, gets treated as if he died, okay,

996
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 4: so he doesn't exist as far as the inheritance is concerned.

997
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 4: Any inheritance will pass to their children. It's probably going

998
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 4: to be placed in a court supervised trust because they're miners,

999
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 4: and a judge would probably appoint a guardian or a

1000
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 4: trustee to manage the money for the children's benefit, not Brian's.

1001
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 5: That makes sense, Okay, it's.

1002
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 4: What will happen. Yeah, so he was sentenced today.

1003
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, or he got the latest in that one.

1004
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 5: So what's happening with that?

1005
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 4: No surprises really, Brian Walsh. He was sentenced to life

1006
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 4: in prison without the possibility of parole today for the

1007
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 4: first degree murder of his wife an A Walsh, along

1008
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 4: with consecutive sentences for lying to police and illegally disposing

1009
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Speaker 4: of her body. On A Walsh. She was thirty nine

1010
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 4: years old. She went missing and I'm using air quotes

1011
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 4: on the missing part on January first, twenty twenty three,

1012
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Speaker 4: and her body has never been found. Her husband, Brian Walsh,

1013
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 4: She's fifty years old. He was convicted by a jury

1014
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 4: earlier this week after prosecutors argued he premeditately say that

1015
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 4: six times he killed her with premeditation, dismembered and disposed

1016
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 4: her disposed of her body. So today Judge Vernier in Dedham,

1017
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Speaker 4: Massachusetts formally sentenced him. Following his conviction, he received a

1018
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Speaker 4: mandatory life sentence without the possibility of parole for first

1019
00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 4: degree murder, the only sentence permitted under the law law.

1020
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 4: Judge Venir also imposed consecutive sentences for the two lesser

1021
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 4: charges he pled guilty to ahead of the trial, which were,

1022
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 4: of course, lying to police and disposing of her body.

1023
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 4: And he's going to get up to twenty years for

1024
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 4: that and three years. It's crazy. Twenty years for lying

1025
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 4: to the police and three years for just dismembering disposing

1026
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 4: of the cloud.

1027
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 3: Doesn't that seem crazy to you? I truly don't understand that.

1028
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 2: And when we when we first hit upon this fact

1029
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 2: that it can be three years, I know it's crazy.

1030
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,919
Speaker 5: Law law? Is it twenty no matter what the one

1031
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 5: lie is or are they counting various lies? Like it's

1032
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 5: several years for this.

1033
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 2: I think it's the ceiling. It's the ceiling when you

1034
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 2: can get up to that much. So it's going to

1035
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 2: be at the judge's discretion.

1036
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 5: Right, It's awful to dispose of a body as such

1037
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 5: a minor amount.

1038
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 2: In comparison, I feel like traffic infractions can be l

1039
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:03,439
Speaker 2: three years, like what is happening with the prior.

1040
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Speaker 4: Yeah, he did not address the court at sentencing, and

1041
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 4: he showed no visible emotion, which is not surprising because

1042
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 4: I think his brain is just dead air, you know,

1043
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 4: I just don't think he's a very smart man. So

1044
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 4: his sentencing. During his sentencing, the judge spoke to him.

1045
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 4: It said, yeah, It said that his sentence is immensely

1046
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 4: appropriate and just given your murderous acts and the life

1047
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 4: trauma that you've inflicted upon your children.

1048
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 5: Wow. That yeah.

1049
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 4: Went on to say because of the lies to the police, right,

1050
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 4: thousands of hours of investigative resources were wasted, diverted from

1051
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 4: other deserving cases, and that his acts in dismembering your

1052
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:51,439
Speaker 4: wife's body and disposing of her remains in multiple area

1053
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 4: dumpsters can only be described as barbaric and incomprehensible.

1054
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Speaker 5: I totally agree with her.

1055
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Speaker 4: She went on to say, Yah, me too. She went

1056
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 4: on to say, you have no regard for the lifelong

1057
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 4: mental harm that your criminal acts have inflected on your

1058
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 4: then two four and six year old sons. They will

1059
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Speaker 4: never be able to properly grieve that loss or say

1060
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 4: goodbye to their moms. So sad because they've lost their

1061
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 4: mom right tragically, and then they've lost their dad.

1062
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 2: Right, he's been so life. It's so sad, and I mean, barbaric.

1063
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 2: I know the judge was talking about this membering for that,

1064
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 2: but it's barbaric in those children, this is talking. The

1065
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 2: oldest would have been in kinder kindergarten and the youngest

1066
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 2: would have been in diapers. Right, and this man their father,

1067
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Speaker 2: Brian Walsh, just decimated three lives four of course.

1068
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Speaker 5: Love look at a person I don't know loved and

1069
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 5: do that anyway. The whole thought process of.

1070
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Speaker 3: Very selfish man.

1071
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm very selfish. I'm happy that the judge said

1072
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Speaker 5: and did me too.

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Speaker 4: Apparently, Brian Walsh's mother wrote a letter on Brian's behalf

1074
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Speaker 4: and she said that although she considered this letter from

1075
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Speaker 4: the killer's mom, Brian Walsh's mom on his perhaps she

1076
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 4: simply she said, I simply cannot reconcile the person described

1077
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Speaker 4: with the person standing for sentence and stated that Brian

1078
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Speaker 4: Walsh will live with the guilt and burden of Anna

1079
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Speaker 4: Walsh's death for the rest of your life.

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Speaker 2: The mom sing it, yeah, judge, well, thank you for

1081
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Speaker 2: those updates, body and listen. Coming up, we have two

1082
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Speaker 2: stories of kidnapping, one that vanished a child for decades

1083
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Speaker 2: and another that was never supposed to happen at all.

1084
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Speaker 2: That more true crime tonight. When we are talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio, where we're

1087
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Speaker 4: talking true crime all the time. I'mbody moving here. Producer

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Speaker 4: Courtney Armstrong. Stephanie Leidecker is out tonight. But it wouldn't

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Speaker 4: be True Crime Tonight if we didn't have a stacked

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Speaker 4: night of headlines in her in her honor. You know,

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Speaker 4: our team is always looking for local stories that haven't

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Speaker 4: made national news. And this one is from the Tampa area,

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Speaker 4: which is one of our affiliates, and it's about this kidnapping.

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Speaker 4: It happened about forty years ago and it's wild. Michelle

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Speaker 4: Newton Okay, she's born in nineteen eighty she disappeared when

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Speaker 4: she was three years old to what happened in nineteen

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Speaker 4: eighty three along with her mother. Her mother is Deborah Newton,

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Speaker 4: and subsequently, you know, they both were reported missing. Deborah

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Speaker 4: Newton was the suspect of kidnapping her daughter Michelle, and

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Speaker 4: was later placed on the FBI's Top eight most Wanted

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Speaker 4: Parental Kidnapping Future list. The missing daughter, Michelle Newton, has

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Speaker 4: now been located and reunited with her family. Mother Deborah Newton,

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Speaker 4: was arrested in Florida and extradited to Kentucky to face

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Speaker 4: custodial interference charges.

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Speaker 5: Later, Yeah, forty years later, dalsidebuilt.

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Speaker 4: I think I've talked about this before, but this happened

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Speaker 4: to my family, my cousin, and I think I was

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Speaker 4: like just born, and my cousin was kidnapped from my aunt,

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Speaker 4: my mom's sister. And this was in nineteen seventy three,

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Speaker 4: many you know, long time ago, and this was before

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Speaker 4: like you know, the FBI would get involved in frontal abductions.

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Speaker 4: And we all knew. I mean, I was just born.

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Speaker 4: I didn't know anything, but the family all knew that

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Speaker 4: his dad took him, but we didn't know where they were.

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Speaker 3: We didn't know.

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Speaker 4: But apparently they went to California and he reached out

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Speaker 4: to our family when he was like twenty one.

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Speaker 2: You found a cousin who had my cousin kidnapped? How

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Speaker 2: am I able to ask questions? How old was he?

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Speaker 2: Did he was he aware he was kidnapped? No, he

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Speaker 2: was told his mom died during childbirth.

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Speaker 5: No way, he was a baby. He was a baby.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, anyways, let's get back to this.

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Speaker 4: But it's interesting that this happened because it happened to

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Speaker 4: my family, and this kind of I grew up with

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Speaker 4: this like my whole life.

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Speaker 5: Like I can't imagine.

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Speaker 3: He was never I.

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Speaker 4: Don't want to say his name, but he was never around.

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Speaker 4: It was really sad. But anyway, so yeah, Michelle was found.

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Speaker 3: She you know.

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Speaker 4: Deborah the mom claimed her daughter, Michelle and her were

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Speaker 4: moving to Georgia for a new job and home, and

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Speaker 4: after their departure, the daughter, Michelle and mom Deborah were

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Speaker 4: never seen again. A final phone call between Deborah the

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Speaker 4: Mom and Michelle's father, Joseph Newton, occurred somewhere between nineteen

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Speaker 4: eighty four and nineteen eighty five, after which they both

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Speaker 4: just vanished. The mother was charged with custodial interference, indicted,

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Speaker 4: and became a fugitive, and at one point was listed

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Speaker 4: on the FBA's FBI's top eight most wanted rental kidnapping fugitives.

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Speaker 4: Authorities were able to locate the daughter or they were

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Speaker 4: not able to locate the daughter or Michelle for decades.

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Speaker 4: In two thousand, the case was dismissed. They closed the

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Speaker 4: case in two thousand because prosecutors could not reach Michelle's dad,

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Speaker 4: Joseph the guy who was looking for his daughter and

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Speaker 4: the daughter was removed from the National Missing Children's Database

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Speaker 4: in two thousand and five.

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Speaker 5: I didn't know they did like, I didn't know they

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Speaker 5: did that either. I did not know they did that.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 4: In twenty fifteen, a family member requested authorities re examine

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Speaker 4: the case, leading to its reopening and re indictment in

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Speaker 4: twenty sixteen. WOW investigators used modern tools, including an age

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Speaker 4: progressed image release by the National Center for Missing and

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Speaker 4: Exploited Children in twenty twenty four to show what would

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Speaker 4: Michelle look like at age forty five? Remember she went

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Speaker 4: missing when she was three years old, and they took

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Speaker 4: this photo and recreated her in what she would look

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Speaker 4: like today. Right. So, in twenty twenty five, a crime

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Speaker 4: stopper tip a tip came into crime Stoppers identified the

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Speaker 4: mom Deborah living in Marion County, Florida, under the name

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Speaker 4: Sharon Neely.

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Speaker 3: Huh can you believe that?

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Speaker 5: So?

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Speaker 4: Now, of course, her real name is Deborah Newton. She

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Speaker 4: had remarried, she retired, and built an entire new life

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Speaker 4: without her previous identity. The US Marshalls were involved with this.

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Speaker 4: Our favorites. The Marshals love the Marshalls, and they confirmed

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Speaker 4: Mom Deborah's new identity by comparing a recent photo to

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Speaker 4: a nineteen eighty three image and via DNA testing using

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Speaker 4: a sample from Deborah Newton's own sister.

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Speaker 9: Math.

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Speaker 5: Wow, so now more like this. I was just gonna say, like,

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Speaker 5: because of modern technology, Like I wondered, if they're going

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Speaker 5: to reopen more of these missing Oh, I'm sure, since

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Speaker 5: we're both shocked the clothes, but sure, I'm fascinated by

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Speaker 5: this one.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: So the daughter, this poor daughter, you know, she's now

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Speaker 4: forty three years old, and she learned for the first

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Speaker 4: time she had been inducted in living under a different name.

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Speaker 4: She was never made aware that she was even reported missing.

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Speaker 4: She had no idea, just like my cousin. Just like

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Speaker 4: my cousin, he had no idea. He just thought Mom died.

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Speaker 4: And wow, terrible, absolutely terrible. So, yeah, she learned for

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Speaker 4: the first time she had been adducted and living under

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Speaker 4: a different name, and she was totally unaware that she'd

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Speaker 4: been reported missing. And she was reunited with her father, Oh,

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Speaker 4: Joseph Newton, and some extended family members after more than

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Speaker 4: forty years.

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Speaker 5: Part Oh that's hard work.

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Speaker 4: Dad described the reunion as just like seeing her when

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Speaker 4: she was first born. It was like an angel, so Mom, Deborah.

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Speaker 4: She was arrested in November while waiting while walking her

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Speaker 4: dog in the villages.

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Speaker 5: Of course it was the villages.

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Speaker 4: She was extradited to Kentucky and charged with custodial interference

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Speaker 4: and released on bond posted by another family member.

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Speaker 5: Wow. Michelle.

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Speaker 4: The daughter attended the court proceedings with both her parents

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Speaker 4: and expressed her desire to support them both. I mean,

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Speaker 4: this poor girl, she's got to be so torn. I mean,

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Speaker 4: obviously she loves her mother, sure, and now she has

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Speaker 4: this new relationship with her father. Yeah, And she says,

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Speaker 4: you know, she's trying to support them both and try

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Speaker 4: to navigate and help them both. Just wrap it up

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Speaker 4: so that we can all heal, highlighting the emotional reconciliation

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Speaker 4: and ongoing healing process.

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Speaker 5: I just, yeah, it's crazy, Yeah, to rebuild that relationship

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Speaker 5: with the dad. I'm happy that's happening, But.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't always work out that way.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, because it would probably be a little unusual, right,

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Speaker 5: new family members, So you have to rebuild that, right.

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Speaker 5: I love love hearing this story.

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Speaker 4: And then you know, you you grow up your whole

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01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 4: life thinking one thing, and then you find out. It's

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Speaker 4: all of arce you have a little bit of resentment,

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01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:22,800
Speaker 4: you know, and to both parents it's very Yeah, things

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Speaker 4: I never considered, you know, until it happened to my family,

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Speaker 4: you know.

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Speaker 5: Obviously. I find that also that age progressed imagings. Yes,

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Speaker 5: wouldn't it be interesting if each of us gave someone

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Speaker 5: like our childhood pictures to see, you know, close to

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Speaker 5: our adult I did.

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Speaker 4: I did a podcast and we met through Katie Studios

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Speaker 4: and we met a guy and he goes by sketch

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Speaker 4: cop and he's awesome. He is really he's awesome dude,

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Speaker 4: and he does these age progressions that he's fascinating and

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Speaker 4: he wrote software that does him Now. I mean, he's

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Speaker 4: just really interesting. But I find the whole process process

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Speaker 4: of age progression like super interesting, super yeah, yeah, super interesting.

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Speaker 4: So this is true crime tonight on iHeartRadio. I've just

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Speaker 4: given an update on this girl that went missing for

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Speaker 4: forty years and she was found. It was a parental

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01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:17,320
Speaker 4: custodial problem. She's been returned to her family. All is

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Speaker 4: good and taha. I understand you have a story for us.

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Speaker 5: I do. Mine involves kidnapping as well, not as happy

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01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 5: an ending, but I'll fill you in. And this is

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Speaker 5: also another one of our affiliates. This one is our

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Speaker 5: Fort Fort Smith, Arkansas affiliate, which there's a local story.

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Speaker 5: So let me tell you the background and get you

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Speaker 5: the whole lay of the land. A former Arkansas Library

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Speaker 5: board member. Her name is Tammy Handy.

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Speaker 3: She Tammy Hanby.

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Speaker 5: Tammy Handy, say that three times fast. She and three

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Speaker 5: others have been arrested for staging the kidnapping of get this,

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Speaker 5: Tammy's own daughter. Her daughter had special needs, so keep

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Speaker 5: that in mind. But her daughter's name is Jamie Hanby.

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Speaker 5: She did all of this and what she claimed was

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01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 5: an attempt to teach her about online safety. So this

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01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:11,680
Speaker 5: is almost like one of those like I'm going to

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01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:13,480
Speaker 5: scare you straight kind of situations.

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Speaker 4: I feel like every story we tell I can relate to.

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01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 4: My mom called the cops, I mean for stealing a

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01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 4: fun dip from the corner store when I was like

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Speaker 4: six years old, and my uncle, who was a cop,

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01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 4: came to arrest me.

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Speaker 5: I was about to say, you told this, but it's

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Speaker 5: your uncle, so there's already connection. This one is wacky

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Speaker 5: because these are total strangers she had involved with this.

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01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:35,480
Speaker 5: So let me oh my god. Yeah, in the background.

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Speaker 5: So the incident took place in an area called Crawford County, Arkansas.

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Speaker 5: And Jamie, she's only twenty two years old, and again

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Speaker 5: she has special needs. She had been lured online by

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Speaker 5: some individuals connected to country singer Luke Bryant. You guys

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Speaker 5: know Luke Bryan's.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So the victim, Jamie, she believed she was going to

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Speaker 5: meet Luke Bryant, and her family became alarmed because they

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01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 5: realized that she was being manipulated and she was actually

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01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:05,200
Speaker 5: sending money to this person. Oh so mom thought, you

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01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:07,760
Speaker 5: know what, I have a way to help her understand

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01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 5: how to be wiser online. I'm going to kidnap her.

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Speaker 5: So she got two friends, one is a certified a

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01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 5: nursing assistant and two other men, this gentleman named David

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01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:23,759
Speaker 5: Quack and Nico Austria. The group, the trio, or actually

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01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:26,800
Speaker 5: the four of them, they planned. The plan involved zip

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01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 5: tying Jamie. They took her to a remote field somewhere

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Speaker 5: out in Crawford County. They tied her to a tree,

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01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:37,720
Speaker 5: and all of this was sort of this plan to

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01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:42,640
Speaker 5: teach her about safety. Well, luckily, poor little Jamie, she

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01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:45,719
Speaker 5: escaped on her own. She went and reported the incident,

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01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:48,320
Speaker 5: and she was so terrified, and you could see she

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01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 5: was visibly terrified. She was holding a little teddy bear

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01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 5: and she was crying and shaking. The police then investigated

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01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 5: in everything. They found out that the mom was involved.

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01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:03,719
Speaker 5: Now Mom is married. She's married to doctor Jeffrey Hamby.

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01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 3: Who wait a minute, this is a doctor's wife.

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01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 5: That was the first thing I thought. I was like

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01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:10,720
Speaker 5: a doctor, like you would think you was. But I'm

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01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 5: going to tell you the doctor didn't know anything about it.

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01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:17,400
Speaker 5: So just because goodness, he's a doctor. Maybe Mom is

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01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:20,720
Speaker 5: clearly not as bright as her husband. But anyway, it

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01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 5: all went awry and authorities quickly criticized the scheme. It's

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01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 5: very dangerous, and particularly for a young girl who is

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01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:32,839
Speaker 5: already vulnerable with you know, difficulties understanding the difference between

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01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 5: safety and risk. So Jamie since has been placed in

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01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:42,960
Speaker 5: protective state custody and Mom she had. She's set at

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01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:46,720
Speaker 5: one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars bond, and each

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01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:49,439
Speaker 5: of the accomplices for twenty five thousand dollars bond.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you've broken my heart in about seventeen different with

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Speaker 2: that story, I am.

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01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:01,519
Speaker 3: So sad from every I mean, I mean, what's.

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01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:04,720
Speaker 2: Up, I said, Oh, Courtney, Yeah, well, I mean come on,

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01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:09,120
Speaker 2: And I can understand the intention because even in the

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01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:12,559
Speaker 2: beginning when So said, your daughter with special needs is

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01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:16,479
Speaker 2: being manipulated and lied to and having her hopes thinking

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01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 2: she's gonna meet probably a hero of hers, you know,

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01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:24,240
Speaker 2: Luke Bryan is beloved, and so she's sending money and

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01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 2: how do you stop it?

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01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:26,479
Speaker 3: If this is she believes me?

1313
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:30,280
Speaker 2: He said, So that okay, heartbreak number one to how

1314
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:32,800
Speaker 2: you are break there, you know, and then with the

1315
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:38,080
Speaker 2: mom to go to such when you're involving zip ties

1316
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 2: with teaching a lesson, it's time to take a pause

1317
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 2: and a half.

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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean I'm sure, like you said,

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01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:50,000
Speaker 5: there was I guess some good intention. Maybe she just

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01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:54,240
Speaker 5: wasn't thinking through in the wisest way or I don't know,

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01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:58,439
Speaker 5: but it's it's awful. And what I can't get past

1322
01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:01,240
Speaker 5: is if the little girl had to a little girl,

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01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:04,720
Speaker 5: If if little Tammy had to escape, that means they

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01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:07,000
Speaker 5: left her somewhere like they just I'm just.

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Speaker 4: Going to ask you did they leave or tied to

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Speaker 4: a tree.

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Speaker 5: That part is still unclear. It sounds like they left

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01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 5: her tied to a tree and clearly left because the

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01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:18,640
Speaker 5: girl had to be away. So I mean, if you're

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01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 5: going to do this stupid stuff, just hide behind the

1331
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:24,840
Speaker 5: little tree somewhere, you know, hide so you can don't

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01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:26,479
Speaker 5: do it at all. I don't think you should do

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01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:30,360
Speaker 5: it all. Yes, thank you, right, Yeah, that's a wiser choice.

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Speaker 2: And then this twenty two year old with special needs

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Speaker 2: is now in state protective custody.

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Speaker 5: I know what.

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01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 2: About her with the doc I don't know, I mean

1338
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:43,280
Speaker 2: if the because I don't understand that.

1339
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:47,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not sure he's not.

1340
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:51,000
Speaker 2: Facing charges, but maybe they authorities were so concerned because

1341
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 2: it happened those Yeah, he was.

1342
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 4: Adult Protective Services got involved.

1343
01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:57,599
Speaker 3: Maybe yeah.

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01:16:57,600 --> 01:17:00,760
Speaker 5: And also I'm not completely clear on the dead you

1345
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:04,080
Speaker 5: know situation like are they a separated couple? Some of

1346
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:06,639
Speaker 5: this we don't have some of the details on, so

1347
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:08,240
Speaker 5: we'd have to find that out.

1348
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:10,920
Speaker 4: Maybe one of our local affiliate listeners, can you know,

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01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:15,400
Speaker 4: give us as I have so many questions like did

1350
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:17,240
Speaker 4: they leave or tied to this tree? And where the

1351
01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:19,320
Speaker 4: teddy mare come from? And so for how much? Yeah,

1352
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:22,400
Speaker 4: how long she's there? I have so many questions.

1353
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:24,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, and you've just.

1354
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:31,639
Speaker 4: Been terrified apparently the I'm assuming she was kidnapped by

1355
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:35,200
Speaker 4: these there's four people involved, but maybe three that three,

1356
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 4: so they strangers.

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Speaker 5: And I have seen once in a while. You've probably

1358
01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:41,680
Speaker 5: seen these sort of pressures. I see where they're like

1359
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:45,559
Speaker 5: you got in the band with these people have done that.

1360
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:48,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've seen those, and I mean I think those

1361
01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:51,240
Speaker 4: are terrible too. But I mean this has gone a

1362
01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:52,040
Speaker 4: little bit too far.

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01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:55,599
Speaker 5: This too far? Yeah, wow, I mean, yeah, the whole

1364
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:58,560
Speaker 5: scared straight thing, I was in that same boat as you, Like,

1365
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:00,840
Speaker 5: I had a relative that did something to scared me straight.

1366
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:05,200
Speaker 5: But this is yeah, I never forgot that.

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Speaker 3: You didn't any more.

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01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 4: I got cuffed. Well, so it was my uncle who

1369
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:11,880
Speaker 4: was not like related to me, so he was like

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01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 4: the mean uncle and like I, they cuffed me and

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01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:16,679
Speaker 4: put me in the back of the car and everything.

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01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:21,680
Speaker 4: I stole cuffs, cuffs and everything. Oh okay, didn't I

1373
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:23,840
Speaker 4: was getting hold of jail. I was gonna get fingerprinted

1374
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:27,160
Speaker 4: and mug shotted. My mom was crying and she was

1375
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:27,759
Speaker 4: an actress.

1376
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:28,599
Speaker 5: She was an actress.

1377
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 4: Wow, Okay, stick around, You've got more talkbacks to get

1378
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:36,479
Speaker 4: to keep it right here True Crime Tonight.

1379
01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:37,880
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01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:38,280
Speaker 5: All the time.

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01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:51,360
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1382
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:55,400
Speaker 2: talked true crime all the time. I'm Courtney Armstrong. I'm

1383
01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:58,559
Speaker 2: here with my body, my boo, my body moving.

1384
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:02,360
Speaker 5: But it's getting late at the night.

1385
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:07,960
Speaker 2: And also producer Taha and engineers Sam and Adam in

1386
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:08,960
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1390
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:17,640
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1392
01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:23,560
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1393
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:28,400
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01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:30,760
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01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:32,680
Speaker 2: an important time, you know.

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Speaker 4: Breaking update right So, Federal authorities announced that the suspect

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Speaker 4: in the shooting at Brown University and the killing of

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01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:47,519
Speaker 4: an MIT professor has been found dead inside a storage

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Speaker 4: facility in New Hampshire, Providence. Police identified the suspect as

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01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:57,559
Speaker 4: forty eight year old Claudio Manuel Nuevez Valente. He's a

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01:19:57,640 --> 01:20:03,639
Speaker 4: former Brown University and Portuguese national from Miami. Nevez Valente

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01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:06,400
Speaker 4: was born in Portugal and became a US legal permanent

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01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:09,439
Speaker 4: resident in twenty seventeen after arriving on a student visa

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01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:14,479
Speaker 4: in two thousand, When authorities entered the storage facility to

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01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:17,679
Speaker 4: serve the warrant, he was dead, apparently from a self

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01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:22,080
Speaker 4: inflicted gunshot wound. There were loads of guns found around him,

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01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:26,040
Speaker 4: a satchel, and evidence in the car that matches exactly

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01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 4: what we see at the scene here in Providence, they said.

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01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:32,599
Speaker 4: The Brown University president, Christina Paxton, said that he did

1410
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:37,320
Speaker 4: attend Brown University, enrolling in a doctoral program in physics

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01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:40,920
Speaker 4: before taking a leave of absence and eventually withdrawing in

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01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:44,560
Speaker 4: two thousand and three. Remember at the Brown University. Tragically,

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01:20:45,080 --> 01:20:48,400
Speaker 4: the shooting occurred at the physics.

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Speaker 5: Building, you know.

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Speaker 4: So that and then the MIT professor that was shot

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01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:54,400
Speaker 4: a couple of days later, about fifty miles away, was

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01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:58,240
Speaker 4: also a professor of physics, so they apparently went to

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01:20:58,240 --> 01:21:03,000
Speaker 4: school together. So the update in all this, you know,

1419
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 4: we've been going through this or whatnot, is that multiple

1420
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:10,840
Speaker 4: firearms were found near the suspect inside the Salem, New

1421
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:15,280
Speaker 4: Hampshire storage unit. Authorities also said the suspect had been

1422
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:19,599
Speaker 4: changing license plates and was found with plates from Maine.

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01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:22,800
Speaker 4: The suspect had been moving around New England since his

1424
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:28,439
Speaker 4: arrival in October, so he really, yeah, he's been. New

1425
01:21:28,439 --> 01:21:31,719
Speaker 4: photos of him were obtained from a car rental location

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01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:36,320
Speaker 4: linked to the investigation. So yeah, So, I mean this

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01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:38,519
Speaker 4: just happened before we went to air, so we just

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01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:41,360
Speaker 4: wanted to provide updates throughout the night for those who

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01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:42,639
Speaker 4: who couldn't get them themselves.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, thank you for that update. You know, this

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01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:47,639
Speaker 5: is this is wild. This is the second time we've

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01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:49,720
Speaker 5: had these breaking news stories.

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Speaker 4: Right as we're live, right right right. So, the US attorney,

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01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:57,439
Speaker 4: Leah B. Foley, said that he had been using a

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01:21:57,439 --> 01:22:03,000
Speaker 4: phone with a blocker to prevent calling him sophisticated in

1436
01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 4: hiding his tracks. The US attorney said that it is

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01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:10,200
Speaker 4: her understanding that the suspect knew the MIT professor and

1438
01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 4: that there is no doubt the professor was the intended target. Wow.

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01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:14,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1440
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:17,640
Speaker 4: So authorities went on to say that they don't have

1441
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:20,840
Speaker 4: any indication that he knew any of the Brown University victims,

1442
01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:24,360
Speaker 4: they do not know when he killed himself, and they

1443
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:28,920
Speaker 4: are unaware of any prior criminal record. Google phones and

1444
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:33,280
Speaker 4: European simcards may have prevented real time tracking of his location,

1445
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 4: and he apparently had lived in Florida, but rented a

1446
01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:39,200
Speaker 4: hotel in Boston around the time of the killings, and

1447
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:43,000
Speaker 4: also rented the car. He returned to Massachusetts in December

1448
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:48,640
Speaker 4: thirteenth and fourteenth and killed the MIT professor on the fifteenth.

1449
01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:52,519
Speaker 4: Man so they say he switched his vehicle plates to

1450
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:55,880
Speaker 4: an unregistered main point, rented a storage unit in November,

1451
01:22:56,479 --> 01:22:59,919
Speaker 4: and was captured on security cameras near the professor's apartment

1452
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:03,800
Speaker 4: entering the storage unit wearing the same clothing as Dream murder.

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01:23:04,439 --> 01:23:06,200
Speaker 3: So he didn't change his clothes.

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01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:06,439
Speaker 5: He didn't.

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01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:12,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's still sting to just to not change

1456
01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:16,320
Speaker 2: your clothes. But you have a sophisticated lo locker on

1457
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:17,200
Speaker 2: your phone.

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01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 4: And license plate unregistered license plate, right, yeah, So again,

1459
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:24,000
Speaker 4: there is no indication that he knew any of the

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01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:27,519
Speaker 4: victims other than the MIT professor. Right now, it's still

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Speaker 4: you know, they're still investigating everything, and they don't know

1462
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:33,360
Speaker 4: where he got the main plate, which had been this

1463
01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:37,440
Speaker 4: specific style of main plate had been out of circulation

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01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:38,759
Speaker 4: for ten years.

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01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:41,759
Speaker 5: Oh so yeah, well, if.

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01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:44,360
Speaker 2: You're sourcing it from, like I need a fakeplate, dot

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Speaker 2: com or something.

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01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:47,160
Speaker 3: You know that they might have.

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Speaker 4: They might Yeah, well I think people collect like vintage plates.

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01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:54,240
Speaker 4: Maybe he bought it from eBay or something, you know,

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01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:57,800
Speaker 4: or oh sure, something like that. Yeah, so that's the

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01:23:57,880 --> 01:23:58,680
Speaker 4: update in that.

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01:23:59,240 --> 01:24:03,639
Speaker 5: Wow, I'm really curious about the student connection or if.

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01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:05,840
Speaker 2: That was just a random I don't Yeah that we

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01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:08,800
Speaker 2: don't know the physics because it's it tends to be

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01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:13,560
Speaker 2: a very small discipline. My my father in law was

1477
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:19,960
Speaker 2: really incredibly successful in the physics world, and he had

1478
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 2: his he went to m I T. He got his

1479
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:26,719
Speaker 2: doctor from cal Berkeley. He you know, was a physics

1480
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 2: professor before blah blah blah. But physics in general, it's

1481
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:36,920
Speaker 2: just it doesn't small. It's small. It means a big

1482
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:40,960
Speaker 2: and it's it's it's like a I don't know, it's

1483
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 2: a close community. So I'm very curious as that as

1484
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:49,760
Speaker 2: this unfolds, what more we'll hear about these connections.

1485
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:53,479
Speaker 4: And yeah, as soon as we as soon as we're

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01:24:53,479 --> 01:24:55,080
Speaker 4: off air, I'm obviously.

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01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:55,360
Speaker 3: Going to be.

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01:24:56,920 --> 01:25:00,360
Speaker 4: Watching on the news, you know, refreshing Reddit and Twitter

1489
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:01,799
Speaker 4: and all the all the all the things.

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01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:05,479
Speaker 5: We can take a little sigh of relief that at

1491
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:07,160
Speaker 5: least one killer is off the street.

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01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:08,519
Speaker 3: One is off the street.

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01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:12,680
Speaker 2: I'm really fortunately for the Brown community I am today,

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01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:14,439
Speaker 2: I am the I T community.

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01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:19,040
Speaker 5: I mean course horrible.

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Speaker 9: Up.

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01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:24,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, listen, I was going to say, may we with

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01:25:24,479 --> 01:25:25,479
Speaker 5: some couple of talk backs.

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Speaker 4: Okay, let's do it, hey, true crime tonight, family. This

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01:25:28,479 --> 01:25:30,679
Speaker 4: is Dawn from Stanton Alla, New York. And a while

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01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:31,599
Speaker 4: back you would ask.

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01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:33,920
Speaker 10: What had gotten us into true crime and for me

1503
01:25:34,240 --> 01:25:36,120
Speaker 10: not to be basic, but it was definitely the John

1504
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:38,760
Speaker 10: Benny Ramsey case. That's the one that I continue to

1505
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:41,760
Speaker 10: go back to and read every single article, watch every

1506
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:45,320
Speaker 10: single documentary, a little obsessed with that case and hearing

1507
01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:48,160
Speaker 10: anything new about it makes me happy because ultimately I

1508
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:50,760
Speaker 10: just want justice for that little girl thinks.

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01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:53,160
Speaker 4: I would love to know what she thinks about the pineapple?

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01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:58,559
Speaker 5: Oh right, and gone from Staten Island. Think about the pineapple.

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01:25:58,640 --> 01:26:00,479
Speaker 4: Leave us another time, bath do something. I need to

1512
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:01,400
Speaker 4: talk about the pineapple.

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01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:03,920
Speaker 3: And Don was known to ever take.

1514
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:06,840
Speaker 5: Me into it, to believe it or not. With around

1515
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:09,240
Speaker 5: the time Stephanie and I first met, that case was

1516
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:12,880
Speaker 5: everywhere and that's that's the one that really, I mean,

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01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:15,799
Speaker 5: everyone was fascinated by it because of all the photos

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01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:17,800
Speaker 5: and you saw it in every place in the world,

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01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:19,479
Speaker 5: but like n it was the one that really got

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Speaker 5: me fascinated by into the whole true crime world.

1521
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:25,200
Speaker 4: I saw some you know, we we we were just

1522
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:28,200
Speaker 4: talking about age progression, and I saw somebody doing age

1523
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:29,360
Speaker 4: progression of John Benet.

1524
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:31,800
Speaker 5: Oh, that's a good one. I've seen that.

1525
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:36,320
Speaker 4: Christmas is I think thirty years No, twenty nine year anniversary.

1526
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:38,960
Speaker 5: I think, Oh, I think you are right. I had

1527
01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:41,040
Speaker 5: looked that up the last time we're talking about she

1528
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:42,519
Speaker 5: would be thirty eight years old.

1529
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:49,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, so wow, crazy, right, this is so tangent, tangential.

1530
01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:55,479
Speaker 2: Do we know who are how that very ridiculous rumor

1531
01:26:55,720 --> 01:26:58,439
Speaker 2: of Katie Perry being John Bennet?

1532
01:26:59,320 --> 01:27:01,400
Speaker 5: What? Oh, you've got hurt? You don't even know what

1533
01:27:01,439 --> 01:27:02,120
Speaker 5: I'm talking about.

1534
01:27:02,240 --> 01:27:05,800
Speaker 3: I have never what do you? Okay, start over, I'm

1535
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:06,320
Speaker 3: not kidding.

1536
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:08,400
Speaker 5: I'm with you. I heard the same thing. And that's funny.

1537
01:27:08,439 --> 01:27:10,760
Speaker 5: I was going to ask you jokingly, have you guys

1538
01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:11,120
Speaker 5: heard that?

1539
01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:14,840
Speaker 3: It's say, I've never heard that. What are you talking about?

1540
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:19,360
Speaker 3: Am I living under a rock? What's happening in this instance?

1541
01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:22,599
Speaker 2: Yes, because it's something that's been around for a really

1542
01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:28,120
Speaker 2: long time. It's it's it's ridiculous internet conspiracy theory, but

1543
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 2: it's had teeth for a good long while.

1544
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:30,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1545
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:32,479
Speaker 5: Just hey, you guys have to look at Sam and Adam.

1546
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:34,519
Speaker 5: Have you guys heard that at all as two people

1547
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:35,040
Speaker 5: in music?

1548
01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:37,639
Speaker 3: No, I haven't, but I need to hear. I need

1549
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:38,880
Speaker 3: to hear what this conspiracy is.

1550
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:39,400
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1551
01:27:39,439 --> 01:27:43,240
Speaker 2: The theory first gained some attention back in twenty fourteen,

1552
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:48,479
Speaker 2: and it was a YouTube video making the suggestion that

1553
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:52,400
Speaker 2: the murder of this poor little girl, John Banny Ramsay

1554
01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:55,960
Speaker 2: in ninety six was an elaborate hoax staged by her

1555
01:27:56,040 --> 01:28:00,479
Speaker 2: parents to let her switch and change fame again. It's ridiculous,

1556
01:28:00,479 --> 01:28:03,160
Speaker 2: it's a conspiracy. But I'm shocked you haven't heard it

1557
01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:08,440
Speaker 2: because it just it hangs on like a Yeah, that's

1558
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:09,120
Speaker 2: the insane.

1559
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:14,600
Speaker 4: I mean we unfortunately John Benet's little body was photographed

1560
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:20,040
Speaker 4: and the photos are widely available on the internet. It's

1561
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:21,080
Speaker 4: definitely not Katy Perry.

1562
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:28,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I've never heard this before. Yeah, it's a crazy,

1563
01:28:28,280 --> 01:28:31,280
Speaker 5: whacky one and the ages are off. Katie forty one

1564
01:28:31,360 --> 01:28:32,000
Speaker 5: years old.

1565
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:35,040
Speaker 3: And I mean everything's off. I didn't mean to even

1566
01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:36,040
Speaker 3: stir no.

1567
01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:38,320
Speaker 4: Because I never I'm going to have to dig into

1568
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:39,679
Speaker 4: that one when we're done, because.

1569
01:28:39,439 --> 01:28:42,559
Speaker 5: I mean, you're seriously you know, it's a thing.

1570
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:46,760
Speaker 4: But yeah, no, poor Joan Benet, and you know, they

1571
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:49,400
Speaker 4: hopefully will get some answers. You know, we talked this

1572
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:54,800
Speaker 4: week on the show, I think Wednesday, I believe about uh,

1573
01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:58,599
Speaker 4: you know, the Boulder Police uh did their you know, annual.

1574
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:01,880
Speaker 4: We're still looking in the case, but this time they

1575
01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:04,479
Speaker 4: said that they have some new evidence. They didn't tell

1576
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:08,080
Speaker 4: us what it is, and that it's largely based around

1577
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:14,000
Speaker 4: the DNA and that they're excited about using some new

1578
01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:18,880
Speaker 4: methods to test the DNA. And John Ramsey, john Bennet's father,

1579
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:24,120
Speaker 4: wants IgG done with authorm on the DNA. And for

1580
01:29:24,280 --> 01:29:28,639
Speaker 4: those who aren't familiar, IgG is investigative genetic genealogy where

1581
01:29:28,640 --> 01:29:31,400
Speaker 4: they take your DNA and basically build your family tree

1582
01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:35,040
Speaker 4: on on that and they find like maybe you know

1583
01:29:35,160 --> 01:29:38,720
Speaker 4: your cousin and then they build it back. So yeah,

1584
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:42,160
Speaker 4: hopefully we'll get some answers very soon about poor John Benet,

1585
01:29:42,920 --> 01:29:46,000
Speaker 4: because that is something that lives in our memory for forever.

1586
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:49,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't think anyone will rest until

1587
01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:51,760
Speaker 5: we get that, get some answers with.

1588
01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:54,200
Speaker 4: That right, right, right, So thank you for the talkback.

1589
01:29:54,280 --> 01:29:55,519
Speaker 4: Don We really appreciate. But let me know what you

1590
01:29:55,560 --> 01:29:56,760
Speaker 4: think about the pineapple.

1591
01:29:56,720 --> 01:29:58,920
Speaker 5: And so I note, I love your accent. That's statan Alanax.

1592
01:29:59,080 --> 01:29:59,560
Speaker 2: I know, I love it.

1593
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:03,519
Speaker 4: It's like that's another one like Boston, like the Brooklyn,

1594
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:07,240
Speaker 4: the Staten Island, the queens On Island.

1595
01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:11,320
Speaker 5: New York Northeast. They love it. I love it. I

1596
01:30:11,439 --> 01:30:16,000
Speaker 5: absolutely love it. So grab another. Yeah, let's do another one.

1597
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:19,120
Speaker 1: What do you have true crime tonight? Where you talk

1598
01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:22,840
Speaker 1: true crime all the time except for sometimes.

1599
01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:25,439
Speaker 9: Where we all talk about weighted best and write and

1600
01:30:25,640 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 9: buying things on the marketplace.

1601
01:30:27,320 --> 01:30:28,640
Speaker 1: Our Royal News Atlantic.

1602
01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:35,040
Speaker 9: Constabulary has designated spots at different dispatches where you can

1603
01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:36,040
Speaker 9: go and meet to.

1604
01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:36,920
Speaker 5: Buy and sell things.

1605
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:42,040
Speaker 3: They have cameras all of those things. Oh so see

1606
01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:43,720
Speaker 3: that's what we need because I don't want people go

1607
01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:44,280
Speaker 3: in to my house.

1608
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:46,760
Speaker 5: That's fair.

1609
01:30:48,880 --> 01:30:52,879
Speaker 4: So the city set it up, or like the province

1610
01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:53,800
Speaker 4: like what is it like?

1611
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:57,160
Speaker 3: Sounds like yeah, Newfoland has it unlocked and you go.

1612
01:30:57,280 --> 01:31:01,320
Speaker 5: To I love it.

1613
01:31:01,320 --> 01:31:03,000
Speaker 3: They they got things figured out out there.

1614
01:31:03,320 --> 01:31:06,400
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, but I like that idea And actually I've

1615
01:31:06,439 --> 01:31:07,960
Speaker 5: been going through that a lot because I I think

1616
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:10,439
Speaker 5: I told you both, have been clearing out my aunt's

1617
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:14,280
Speaker 5: you know, she's going into like a nursing homes. I've

1618
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:16,600
Speaker 5: been downsizing her place, and like, what do I do

1619
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:18,799
Speaker 5: with all of these? She has a lot of dresses

1620
01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:21,040
Speaker 5: and persons and things. This would be the perfect thing.

1621
01:31:21,080 --> 01:31:24,439
Speaker 5: I could just take those there. And actually I was

1622
01:31:24,520 --> 01:31:27,800
Speaker 5: going to give a lot to Goodwill. But actually one

1623
01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:30,760
Speaker 5: of the talkbacks believe or not, actually made me think

1624
01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:33,000
Speaker 5: twice about it. Someone, I think we have that talkback.

1625
01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:34,599
Speaker 3: Let's hear that one.

1626
01:31:36,240 --> 01:31:38,839
Speaker 5: Okay, Oh sorry, I was distracted.

1627
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:39,679
Speaker 3: Do you want the other?

1628
01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:45,040
Speaker 5: Yeah? That's it? Please? Thank you. Hi guys. In regards

1629
01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:49,439
Speaker 5: to the buy nothing Facebook group topic, and Boddy, you

1630
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:51,680
Speaker 5: mentioned that you would prefer to donate it and give

1631
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:55,799
Speaker 5: it to Goodwill. Just a reminder Goodwill does charge people

1632
01:31:56,080 --> 01:31:56,799
Speaker 5: to then.

1633
01:31:57,080 --> 01:31:58,160
Speaker 2: Buy the things.

1634
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:01,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I and find on my buy nothing site.

1635
01:32:01,880 --> 01:32:04,240
Speaker 5: In my community at least, there are plenty of people

1636
01:32:04,280 --> 01:32:06,840
Speaker 5: that are definitely in need, and it's just easier for

1637
01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:08,560
Speaker 5: them to get it off of there than having to

1638
01:32:08,640 --> 01:32:09,200
Speaker 5: go shopping.

1639
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:12,560
Speaker 4: That's a good point something I never considered, right, So

1640
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:17,760
Speaker 4: you're donating something somebody who is in need has to buy.

1641
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:20,080
Speaker 5: It has to go right. I don't even think about that.

1642
01:32:20,280 --> 01:32:22,240
Speaker 5: I heard that this morning and then I was like,

1643
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:23,920
Speaker 5: you know what, I was going to go to Goodwill

1644
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:26,519
Speaker 5: and so I'm going a different route to take it.

1645
01:32:26,600 --> 01:32:27,720
Speaker 5: So what do you do?

1646
01:32:28,479 --> 01:32:29,000
Speaker 8: So what do I do?

1647
01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:32,720
Speaker 7: What about those h you know when you see like

1648
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:36,840
Speaker 7: the big bins and like parking lots, Donald's or something.

1649
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:37,560
Speaker 7: That's what I do.

1650
01:32:37,680 --> 01:32:40,040
Speaker 3: It's a good will. It's often Salvation is it Salvation

1651
01:32:40,200 --> 01:32:41,840
Speaker 3: Army or Will as well?

1652
01:32:42,120 --> 01:32:44,560
Speaker 4: Mine is good Will. Yeah, the one that I go

1653
01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:46,519
Speaker 4: to is Goodwill. I have to figure something out.

1654
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:48,880
Speaker 2: But they are so I mean depending upon if you

1655
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:51,599
Speaker 2: have closed and we've mentioned this before, but it can

1656
01:32:51,680 --> 01:32:57,000
Speaker 2: be sort of dressed for success type of charities. I'm

1657
01:32:57,000 --> 01:32:58,800
Speaker 2: going to look at locally, like what I what I

1658
01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:01,559
Speaker 2: have here in Las Angeles. Yeah, I try and keep

1659
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:03,320
Speaker 2: it local just for whatever reason.

1660
01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:03,599
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1661
01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:08,960
Speaker 2: And there's one where it's it's a beautiful organization and

1662
01:33:09,080 --> 01:33:12,160
Speaker 2: it's Escaping Harvest House, I want to say, but it's

1663
01:33:12,200 --> 01:33:17,479
Speaker 2: a house where homeless, pregnant or pregnant women go or

1664
01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:20,599
Speaker 2: and you can stay there for you know, a certain

1665
01:33:20,600 --> 01:33:22,439
Speaker 2: amount of time while the babies growing up and have

1666
01:33:22,600 --> 01:33:26,040
Speaker 2: care and also with clothing, you need to dress professionally

1667
01:33:26,160 --> 01:33:29,280
Speaker 2: and there's career help, so that's just given.

1668
01:33:29,439 --> 01:33:31,120
Speaker 4: I'll look for something like that because I mean, I

1669
01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:33,479
Speaker 4: definitely don't want to. I want to donate for good,

1670
01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:37,080
Speaker 4: you know, for good good causes and stuff, and I

1671
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:39,879
Speaker 4: never considered that, Yeah, good will you have to pay.

1672
01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:42,280
Speaker 5: You have to pay, so yeah, but if you if

1673
01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:44,519
Speaker 5: you find something, body send it my way because I will.

1674
01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:46,960
Speaker 4: I'll look for something locally. But yeah, I mean I

1675
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:52,080
Speaker 4: I donate to an organization here called safenst which helps women,

1676
01:33:52,400 --> 01:33:55,880
Speaker 4: you know, with their children escape abusive relationships. But they

1677
01:33:55,960 --> 01:33:59,160
Speaker 4: require and I understand why, but they require new items.

1678
01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:03,360
Speaker 4: I can't donate. I can't donate you know, my clothes

1679
01:34:03,479 --> 01:34:05,880
Speaker 4: to them, you know, so I'll have to find something.

1680
01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:06,880
Speaker 4: I'll let you know what I find to.

1681
01:34:07,479 --> 01:34:09,840
Speaker 2: And by the way, this is and this is widespread.

1682
01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:15,320
Speaker 2: Harvest House is an organization. Oh yeah, well listen, thank

1683
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:19,439
Speaker 2: you for being with us this evening, and keep a

1684
01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:24,000
Speaker 2: listen because Sunday survivor Haley Robson is speaking out about

1685
01:34:24,160 --> 01:34:26,960
Speaker 2: how she was pulled into Jeffrey Epstein's world and what

1686
01:34:27,080 --> 01:34:30,200
Speaker 2: it took to escape. I have a beautiful weekend, everybody,

1687
01:34:30,760 --> 01:34:32,120
Speaker 2: good night, nice,