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Speaker 6: Today it is our job to talk about Cowboys loss yesterday.
Speaker 6: They lose on the road to the Atlanta Falcons twenty
Speaker 6: seven to twenty one. And there are a lot of
Speaker 6: different little things I think we can take from this game,
Speaker 6: but let's start first with the big picture, and we're
Speaker 6: going to go around the table as we usually do,
Speaker 6: and just give everybody an idea of what you think
Speaker 6: the story is of this game.
Speaker 2: Nicholeta's start with.
Speaker 4: You adding injury to insult, like flip flip, flip the
Speaker 4: flip the saying, I guess with Dak getting hurt and
Speaker 4: CD getting hurt, I mean, it's it's kind of a
Speaker 4: snowball of injuries at the moment.
Speaker 7: We'll know more today for the.
Speaker 4: Extent of Dak's hamstring injury and CD's ac joint injury
Speaker 4: and his shoulder, But definitely two things to keep an
Speaker 4: eye on. But as far as the game goes, specifically,
Speaker 4: the offense just couldn't build any rhythm. And we've seen
Speaker 4: it multiple times this season, and especially coming out in
Speaker 4: the second half, defense allowing points and then offense not
Speaker 4: scoring points, and then when you try to throw a
Speaker 4: fake punt in there that had zero percent.
Speaker 7: Chance of working.
Speaker 2: We'll get to that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's that's probably what ends up happening and
Speaker 4: as the end result. But for me, it was a
Speaker 4: lack of offensive rhythm. It was never present during the game.
Speaker 4: They had the one touchdown drive with Dak, and you know,
Speaker 4: it looked like it was sustaining a drive at that point,
Speaker 4: but you can't have one drive all day.
Speaker 8: Teams have figured out you can't block a twist front,
Speaker 8: you know, and that's gonna be even a team that
Speaker 8: doesn't get any pressure their Their go to in this
Speaker 8: game was to move the front and uh and see
Speaker 8: if you're good enough to handle it. You know, I
Speaker 8: need to see about with Mike Solari and this group.
Speaker 3: Are they you know? It seems like to.
Speaker 8: Me they try and man a lot of these twists,
Speaker 8: and so what happens is guys get too caught up
Speaker 8: and then the twisters come around and and that's really
Speaker 8: what the the Falcons were able to do in this
Speaker 8: football game to create pressure. The margin of era is
Speaker 8: very very small for this football team. It just it
Speaker 8: walks the tightrope on offense, defense, special teams. And I
Speaker 8: mentioned special teams because you get a really good block,
Speaker 8: you know, from a kid up off the practice squad
Speaker 8: with Butler on a punt return and you get turp
Speaker 8: into the wall and around the corner and he goes
Speaker 8: out of bounce.
Speaker 3: You know, that's south.
Speaker 8: That's your margin of era. It's very very small for
Speaker 8: this football team, and they almost have to play perfect
Speaker 8: in order to have things successful for them. And that's
Speaker 8: really really unfortunate because you watch games every week where
Speaker 8: there are teams that get away with certain things and
Speaker 8: you know, and they're able to make it work. And
Speaker 8: this is a very talented team, but the margin of
Speaker 8: air for them is so so small it's hard for
Speaker 8: them to win games that way.
Speaker 9: Yeah, very frustrating because we're sitting here beginning of November.
Speaker 9: We have a whole half of the season left, and
Speaker 9: it's hard to imagine, like even see any kind of
Speaker 9: light at the end of the tunnel and see like
Speaker 9: even if there was to happen, like a trade was
Speaker 9: to happen before the deadline, which is tomorrow, do you
Speaker 9: really feel like one person or even two can even
Speaker 9: fix team.
Speaker 10: And that's the problem right there.
Speaker 9: So it's very difficult to move along and find any
Speaker 9: kind of hope. Now you have Dak Prescott injured. We
Speaker 9: don't know how long he's going to be out for.
Speaker 9: We were all asking when is he gonna run? When
Speaker 9: is he gonna run? He then runs and creates positive
Speaker 9: plays for the offense, but then gets injured. He didn't
Speaker 9: mention he didn't feel it while he was running. He
Speaker 9: doesn't know if it had happened when he fell down
Speaker 9: and like when the tackle came or what happened there
Speaker 9: and maybe got pulled, but you got to imagine that
Speaker 9: he most likely came from that because he hasn't been
Speaker 9: It's hard.
Speaker 8: It's hard to tell because the run that he had,
Speaker 8: the long run look fine. Yeah, he had two five
Speaker 8: yard runs. The first one looked fine. The second one
Speaker 8: he really couldn't tell on tape if there was any
Speaker 8: discomfort or him grab and he got up off the
Speaker 8: ground a little bit slower than he normally would. But
Speaker 8: I was trying to kind of pinpoint when that was.
Speaker 8: And then he had the throw where he was trying
Speaker 8: to follow through and it just was an awkward looking
Speaker 8: stance and awkward looking delivery. But I had a hard
Speaker 8: time finding when he was running if in fact when
Speaker 8: that happened.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he even said in the postgame press covers, He's like,
Speaker 4: I'm not even really sure when exactly happened. Yeah, he
Speaker 4: knew he felt it after that second down to twenty
Speaker 4: throw to Jalen Brooks on the sideline, though, you.
Speaker 6: Know what it looked like to me, And again, I'm
Speaker 6: just from what we were watching when he first when
Speaker 6: he got sacked for basically was a zero yard gain,
Speaker 6: and they caught me it was obviously a sack when
Speaker 6: he got it. From that, he kind of was favoring
Speaker 6: a little bit. To me, it looked like because I
Speaker 6: immediately I told Nink, I said, Dak looks like he's
Speaker 6: kind of favorite his leg. And I didn't think anything
Speaker 6: of it, just kept stayed in the game, kept playing,
Speaker 6: and then it came up.
Speaker 2: So it made me think that was the play.
Speaker 3: That maybe at that play, I'm not sure about that.
Speaker 3: He was talking about the running play. That's the ones
Speaker 3: I focused on.
Speaker 8: But if you need to go back and look at
Speaker 8: the sack, you know, he he you know, the couple.
Speaker 3: Of the sacks, the back to back sacks.
Speaker 8: You know, that's maybe something you could look at and
Speaker 8: see if you can find anything from that.
Speaker 6: Let's talk about the offense. Let's go into a little
Speaker 6: bit of a detail on Dak. Dak was eighteen to
Speaker 6: twenty four, seventy five percent completion rate, one hundred and
Speaker 6: thirty three yards, one touchdown, no interceptions, one on one
Speaker 6: point six rating. You look at his numbers and it
Speaker 6: doesn't seem like there was a lot of production, but
Speaker 6: it seemed like he was very efficient, probably even more
Speaker 6: efficient than it looked. If you were just watching the game.
Speaker 6: You know, it feels like sometimes you look at the numbers.
Speaker 6: I was actually shocked when the game was over and
Speaker 6: I saw these numbers with such a high completion percentage,
Speaker 6: such a high quarterback rating. I didn't think that, As
Speaker 6: you said, Nick, I didn't think the offense really had
Speaker 6: any rhythm, And maybe that was the difference. But how
Speaker 6: would you assess Dax play yesterday?
Speaker 2: Overall?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was fine up until the third quarter, and
Speaker 4: I think this is a quarter that has just been
Speaker 4: biting this team in the butt all season. It kind
Speaker 4: of was a problem last year there were bottom third
Speaker 4: in the league and third quarter points a season ago
Speaker 4: and third quarter point differential, but it's kind of been
Speaker 4: amplified this season. He had one hundred and one yards
Speaker 4: at the break, thirty two in that third quarter, and
Speaker 4: then obviously a couple of punts and fake punt and
Speaker 4: when that happens, and you pair that with Atlanta coming
Speaker 4: out with a touchdown drive and then to open up
Speaker 4: the fourth quarter another touchdown drive, you can't sustain offensive
Speaker 4: success with that. But talking about Dak specifically, I really
Speaker 4: liked his ability to scramble and use his legs like
Speaker 4: we talked about I think, you know, I asked him
Speaker 4: about that specifically in the postgame press conference, and he
Speaker 4: said there was a little bit of intention in that
Speaker 4: three carries for thirty yards, including the twenty two yard scramble,
Speaker 4: which is the only twenty plus yard run of the
Speaker 4: entire season.
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Speaker 4: But other than that, I think, whenever you look at
Speaker 4: the receiving game, you had a reliable CD. At times
Speaker 4: you had a reliable Jake Ferguson, which was really nice
Speaker 4: to see. I thought he had probably his best game
Speaker 4: all season. But when you only have those two guys,
Speaker 4: it's really tough to be able to sustain an offense.
Speaker 8: Kind of feel like the ball wasn't going down the
Speaker 8: air at all, you know. I mean, even with Cooper Rush,
Speaker 8: it's felt like that the ball was at least going
Speaker 8: down down the field a little bit more, you know,
Speaker 8: with some of the throws. I was surprised with the
Speaker 8: amount of off coverage. These guys play a ton of zone.
Speaker 8: We talked out that they really didn't take advantage of,
Speaker 8: you know, the offered the nickel he gave up. You know,
Speaker 8: I think there were nine targets, six receptions for like
Speaker 8: thirty one yards. You know, it just didn't seem to
Speaker 8: me that everything was under not behind the sticks. You know,
Speaker 8: everything was in front of the sticks, and it was
Speaker 8: all about run. And it really wasn't until Cooper Rush
Speaker 8: came in the game. And I don't think it's all
Speaker 8: prevent defense or anything like that, because that's just the
Speaker 8: way the Falcons play. But there just seemed that the
Speaker 8: ball was going down the field. There were more opportunities.
Speaker 8: Even the ball that Lamb dropped, beautiful throw from you know,
Speaker 8: from Cooper Rush. Unfortunately maybe you know, with the shoulder situation,
Speaker 8: but man, it was right where it needed to be.
Speaker 8: But the ball, you know, fourth down, they were throws
Speaker 8: down the field and I didn't see Dak have any
Speaker 8: type of willingness to do that. You mentioned one of
Speaker 8: the sacks Derek he missedtobered up the sidelines, he had
Speaker 8: he had doubtle on in the flat. There's two options.
Speaker 8: He took neither of them and Geydon couldn't keep his
Speaker 8: guy blocked long enough and then it's a sack. You know,
Speaker 8: ball's got to go down the field. Ball's got to go.
Speaker 8: You can't sit there and think that you've got time
Speaker 8: to come back. You know, even though Cousins, I mean
Speaker 8: the touchdown that he had that that you know went
Speaker 8: the you know where he just said and looked at
Speaker 8: the whole field and McCloud ran all the way across
Speaker 8: to Wilson. You know, you have time to do that.
Speaker 8: You don't have time with this offensive line to sit
Speaker 8: there and look at every single read. You've got to determine, Okay,
Speaker 8: what's my best option here, get it out there and
Speaker 8: see what happens to you on the play. You can't
Speaker 8: hold the football. Two options you took neither, and the
Speaker 8: team suffered a sack.
Speaker 9: It's been a I mean, such a tough season. And
Speaker 9: Dyk in this game, yes, he had some positive plays,
Speaker 9: but at the same time, there are so many of them,
Speaker 9: and you mentioned those two specific ones where he just
Speaker 9: didn't see guys open. He some of the decisions that
Speaker 9: he has made are decisions that he wouldn't be making
Speaker 9: at this point of his career that you expect such
Speaker 9: a veteran to be more aware of what's happening on
Speaker 9: the field.
Speaker 10: Now.
Speaker 9: Obviously the offensive line is not giving any kind of help.
Speaker 9: I mean, they made a non existent pass rush be
Speaker 9: existent and.
Speaker 10: Made them look good.
Speaker 9: When we talked about this matchup being a positive matchup,
Speaker 9: and even Dak mentioned it, and my McCarthy kind of said,
Speaker 9: like this was a good matchup for them where they
Speaker 9: could create some positive plays and it wasn't that way.
Speaker 9: You cannot convert on third downs to save your life.
Speaker 9: Even the fourth down attempt couldn't do absolutely anything, and
Speaker 9: some of the other players, I don't think it's all
Speaker 9: on that. Given Jake Ferguson the way he he's moving around.
Speaker 9: I don't know if it's hurt or if he's dealing
Speaker 9: with something, but he his movement on the field, it
Speaker 9: doesn't seem like the usual self, like the Jake Ferguson
Speaker 9: we saw last year or his first year. So it's
Speaker 9: just something's happening there as well where you can't even
Speaker 9: trust your tight end in that sense, and.
Speaker 7: Then you feel receivers with him.
Speaker 9: There were moments like he had some catches there, but
Speaker 9: moments where he's just not being athletic enough.
Speaker 8: He had the bost yards after catch, you know, I
Speaker 8: mean the first play at the game, first played the game,
Speaker 8: and then there were a couple of other runs. Yeah,
Speaker 8: he got put in some bad situations though, with him
Speaker 8: trying to break free balls were on the ground, or
Speaker 8: he's having to go up one hand catch and stuff
Speaker 8: like that. So really a little bit of both him
Speaker 8: and Dak with that situation.
Speaker 9: But his athleticism, I think it has declined from what
Speaker 9: I've seen in this season overall, he's kind of declined.
Speaker 9: But then again, you can't single one person out because
Speaker 9: it's been such a collective decline from the offense overall.
Speaker 9: So it's just it's really hard to pinpoint exactly where
Speaker 9: the problem truly stins from.
Speaker 8: Well, they It's like I said to me, sometimes you
Speaker 8: get really good play calls and then sometimes you get
Speaker 8: like I was really indifferent on the fourth and one
Speaker 8: jet sweep. I mean, I got to give Atlanta credit.
Speaker 8: Ellis made a good play. Now the problem with that, now,
Speaker 8: if Ellis doesn't make that play, well, Baits is standing
Speaker 8: right there, and to your point, Ferguson's struggling with Baits.
Speaker 8: You know, he's struggling to block Baits, and then by
Speaker 8: the motion they're playing man all for now is uncovered.
Speaker 8: He's coming with or he's got man to man coverage
Speaker 8: with CD. He's so he's running with CD. So now
Speaker 8: you've got guys in that area. If if Ellis doesn't
Speaker 8: make the play, Baits is likely to make it. Alford's
Speaker 8: going to be right there. I was indifferent. I'm I
Speaker 8: just like, get the damn first down. You know, just
Speaker 8: get the first down, don't you know? To me some
Speaker 8: I mentioned your margin of era is so small you
Speaker 8: can't afford. You almost have to be sound in the
Speaker 8: way that you just run the ball, get the first down,
Speaker 8: and then move on. They came back to the play
Speaker 8: a little bit later on and it worked for him.
Speaker 3: Great. That's why I'm a little bit indifferent.
Speaker 8: But to me, I'm like, get the first down, keep
Speaker 8: the drive going, and if you want to go back
Speaker 8: or come back to plays like that, feel free to
Speaker 8: do so.
Speaker 3: But you got to give Atlanta credit.
Speaker 8: Ellis made a great play, but they had two other
Speaker 8: guys there that were that probably would have made the
Speaker 8: play too it had been stopped it for a fourth down. Yeah,
Speaker 8: you know the stuff, Like you say the screenplays, there
Speaker 8: were a couple of screen passes day threw were perfectly
Speaker 8: called for the right situation, you know, and they get
Speaker 8: you know, the one time Dak kind of very casually
Speaker 8: instead of maybe throwing the ball over at the top
Speaker 8: of Matthew Judon kind of kind of just those a
Speaker 8: little sidearm and Judn just knocks it down and you're
Speaker 8: like it was almost like Dak was just too casual,
Speaker 8: just you know, get back sell it, get him to
Speaker 8: go up, or if he goes up, then you could
Speaker 8: throw the little side arm. If he stays down to
Speaker 8: the ground, go over the top. But those are good calls,
Speaker 8: but they're not they're not rewarded. He's not rewarded. Now
Speaker 8: I'm yelling at Mike McCarthy for being a you know,
Speaker 8: doing a terrible job calling plays, But when he calls
Speaker 8: a good play and then I watch it and I'm
Speaker 8: going like, well, that's on his players right there. That's
Speaker 8: a great play call poorly executed. They they just they struggle,
Speaker 8: and you mentioned it. With any type of rhythm, everything
Speaker 8: is you know, the old the easy button thing. They
Speaker 8: never get to hit the easy button. Everything is hard.
Speaker 8: Everything is so hard for this team in all areas
Speaker 8: of their game.
Speaker 6: Well, I think at the end of the day, I
Speaker 6: think it's it's just so apparent to me at this
Speaker 6: point that most of these things we're talking about, Yeah,
Speaker 6: stem from the offensive line, their inability to be able
Speaker 6: to get like that play before the fourth and one
Speaker 6: when they do the Jets sweep. They do that because
Speaker 6: on third and one they try to just run the ball.
Speaker 2: They can't move anybody. They get no game.
Speaker 6: And I think it's the fact that at some point
Speaker 6: you gotta do something different. You can't just keep literally
Speaker 6: running into a brick wall because your offensive line really
Speaker 6: isn't getting any push, and so it leaves you in
Speaker 6: a situation where you got to do all these exotic
Speaker 6: things to try to convert a third and short or
Speaker 6: fourth and short, and that's what gets you into into trouble.
Speaker 6: Like those are not plays that you should necessarily have
Speaker 6: to run on those kinds of situation. You should be
Speaker 6: able to line up and say we're going.
Speaker 2: To power through and we're gonna get a yard. But
Speaker 2: they can't do it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's not confident that this is not telling anybody
Speaker 4: news here, but there is not confidence in what the
Speaker 4: running game is. And something that Rico Dubtlel had said
Speaker 4: in the locker room yesterday. We're talking about that third
Speaker 4: and one where they were lined up in shotgun and
Speaker 4: they handed off to Rico he didn't get anything, and
Speaker 4: it led to that fourth and one jet sweep.
Speaker 7: It to CD he said that they saw.
Speaker 4: Things in film during the week that allowed them to
Speaker 4: see some success running the ball out of shotgun. It's like, okay, yes,
Speaker 4: I understand that, but you're third and one gun right,
Speaker 4: you go under because you trust the personnel that you have,
Speaker 4: you trust the interior offensive line that you have, and
Speaker 4: you go get one yard. I never understand running the
Speaker 4: ball second and one third and one fourth and one
Speaker 4: out of shot.
Speaker 3: Totally with you on that.
Speaker 8: Into discussion, someone's like, well, that's part of the West
Speaker 8: Coast offense.
Speaker 3: I go, bs, I go. I was.
Speaker 8: I was in the I was in that West Coast offense.
Speaker 8: They used to hand the ball to Tom Rathman or
Speaker 8: hand it to Roger Craig and Joe Montana played underneath
Speaker 8: center and they hand and they got pushed and all
Speaker 8: that to your point, Yeah, the thirty one play, they
Speaker 8: get zero yards because Smith and Guidon missed their blocks.
Speaker 8: They don't they don't handle the they don't sort it
Speaker 8: out well enough, so they're going to get a negative
Speaker 8: play or a zero a zero carry on the play
Speaker 8: because they don't get the they'll get the blocks. So yeah,
Speaker 8: it's just it's it's it's it's mind numbing sometimes some
Speaker 8: of the things, like you said, I just I just
Speaker 8: want them like just do some simple things.
Speaker 3: But the simple things are hard. Yeah, there's nothing, no
Speaker 3: easy button, no easy button.
Speaker 6: I will say this, this is actually at the beginning
Speaker 6: of the game. That first drive, those first three plays
Speaker 6: are the first drive. They they were like bam bamba,
Speaker 6: and I'm like, yeah, I'm like, is this the game
Speaker 6: where they're going to find that ability to really be
Speaker 6: able to efficiently move the ball. And what happens as
Speaker 6: soon as that happens, then you get into that point
Speaker 6: with it right outside their red zone. They were right
Speaker 6: at the twenty one and it's just like the Braakes.
Speaker 2: Got hit and it just they just started to smutter.
Speaker 6: And that's the thing, like, even when you saw that
Speaker 6: immediate success, it's like they couldn't sustain it for more
Speaker 6: than three plays and then it all went down.
Speaker 8: Yeah, game of twenty seven, game to twelve, game to fifteen,
Speaker 8: and then doubtle for two and then they run the
Speaker 8: screen that loses four yep, you know I mean, And
Speaker 8: that's the just be and it's a hard block. I
Speaker 8: mean as a hard block for Martin to have to
Speaker 8: make because the linebacker Eli was just like he's playing
Speaker 8: man coverage.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he just kind of slow plays it. So plays
Speaker 3: it and let's Mark get outside and then Book run
Speaker 3: inside of that. You know.
Speaker 4: I say, I was so impressed with Kate Nelly's yesterday.
Speaker 4: I saw him as a productive player going into the week,
Speaker 4: but oh my goodness, he was all over the place.
Speaker 4: He was really talented player.
Speaker 2: All Right, we're gonna take our first break. We'll come back.
Speaker 6: We'll talk more about this offense. Let's talk about Rico
Speaker 6: o'dowdo and what he was able to do yesterday. I
Speaker 6: think that was an interesting storyline, certainly thinking back to
Speaker 6: what we've talked about of what we thought the Cowboys
Speaker 6: should be doing with their running back position. We'll talk
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Speaker 6: All right, let's talk about Rico Daddell. Yesterday he was
Speaker 6: twelve twelve carries for seventy five yards a six point
Speaker 6: three average. Really, he was the running back for them yesterday.
Speaker 6: Nobody else had more than two designed runs in that game,
Speaker 6: including including Cook. That all being said, do you think
Speaker 6: that this is starting to be proof that if the
Speaker 6: Cowboys would just rely on one back, ric o'dowdele. He
Speaker 6: is their best running back that maybe they can get
Speaker 6: again a decent running game. They don't have to have
Speaker 6: a great running game, but a decent running game, and
Speaker 6: it can be at least productive enough for them to
Speaker 6: get things going as they should be going.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I agree.
Speaker 4: I think at this point, if they don't make a
Speaker 4: move before tomorrow to bring another guy into that room,
Speaker 4: I think you just start handed the ball to Rigo
Speaker 4: Dawdle twelve fifteen, eighteen times a game, just to let
Speaker 4: him build confidence. I sent still you were in the
Speaker 4: Rico scrum, yesh I since a little frustration from him
Speaker 4: from how the season has kind of played out, and
Speaker 4: then this kind of being his moment of being like see,
Speaker 4: I was telling you. Somebody had asked him, do you
Speaker 4: feel like whenever you get the carries throughout the course
Speaker 4: of the game, you were able to sustain momentum. He's like,
Speaker 4: That's what I've been trying to say, Like I'm a
Speaker 4: guy that when I get my carries, I get better
Speaker 4: as the game goes on. I need that to get going.
Speaker 4: He was very honest about that. So it kind of
Speaker 4: just I was looking around, like interesting, so he's right.
Speaker 3: He's right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I heard the same thing, and I kind of
Speaker 6: it kind of raised my eyebrow to a little bit,
Speaker 6: like I wonder how much does he is he really?
Speaker 2: Has he been saying that? Has he been found?
Speaker 10: You've said that before.
Speaker 9: I've heard him say that before weeks and weeks ago,
Speaker 9: and I mean I just thought I didn't think much
Speaker 9: of it, because it's like, yeah, typically if you the
Speaker 9: more you do it, the more rhythm you can get.
Speaker 9: So but I mean, this whole seekh thing that happened,
Speaker 9: it makes you wonder what's going to happen here in
Speaker 9: the running back room after what happened this weekend.
Speaker 2: Brian, what do you think of the whole Zeke thing?
Speaker 8: You know, I think there's a lot to it, and
Speaker 8: I don't think it's just about meetings and missing meetings
Speaker 8: and things like that. I think there's a lot more
Speaker 8: to this. And you know, I'm probably not my not
Speaker 8: my area to get into, you know, but there's some
Speaker 8: things that other people will get into and uh, you know,
Speaker 8: they'll figure all this out. I know there's some some
Speaker 8: legitimate concern for Zeke, uh you know, in the organization
Speaker 8: about this whole situation and what he's dealing with and
Speaker 8: stuff right now. But like I said, it's, uh, it's
Speaker 8: something that probably needs to be taken care of here
Speaker 8: in the next few days if they can.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's it's not one thing. I think that's probably
Speaker 7: the biggest thing to take away from what you said there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was all.
Speaker 6: It was kind of a shock that it all went
Speaker 6: down the way that it did. Him not obviously traveling
Speaker 6: with the team obviously. I don't think it would have
Speaker 6: been a surprise to anyone if he would have been inactive,
Speaker 6: because I think the reality is we we started to
Speaker 6: hear little things last week from Mike McCarthy about running.
Speaker 2: Back by committee. He said, I'm not.
Speaker 6: Really into that. I don't think that's the best way
Speaker 6: to go, So we kind of could have. Now in retrospect,
Speaker 6: you'll like, well, he was intimating that they were going
Speaker 6: to stick with Rico in this game, and they felt
Speaker 6: like that was going to be the best option. So
Speaker 6: at that point, it is, it doesn't surprise me if
Speaker 6: if Zeke is inactive, because if you're going to do that,
Speaker 6: then Rico's your guy.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think there's like you say, there's there's been
Speaker 8: reports you know, and Nick and done a fine job
Speaker 8: with his reporting as well. I just kind of feel
Speaker 8: like that this is something, like I said just a
Speaker 8: little earlier, it needs to be taken care of now,
Speaker 8: you know, they need to either do what they need
Speaker 8: to do to move on or try and get the situation.
Speaker 8: I kind of feel like that I don't see this
Speaker 8: as being just like you said, the one one thing.
Speaker 8: This is just a culmination of a lot of things.
Speaker 8: But man, they need to make a decision on this.
Speaker 8: They really do.
Speaker 7: I'll tell you what.
Speaker 4: I hate to see this, I really do from the
Speaker 4: a Zeke that we have gotten used to seeing since
Speaker 4: twenty sixteen and to you know, have this type of
Speaker 4: reunion and it be an opportunity for them to kind
Speaker 4: of be able to find each other, not only the
Speaker 4: Cowboys and Zeke, and then at the end of the
Speaker 4: day it's just not worked.
Speaker 7: So it's sad to see at the end of the day.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's one of the tough things about bringing bringing
Speaker 6: a guy back that you already kind of let go
Speaker 6: because it does have the potential that they didn't go
Speaker 6: really wrong, because it does kind of bring up if
Speaker 6: things don't go right, you can bring up a lot
Speaker 6: of old feelings, and that's when you really start getting
Speaker 6: into tough situation.
Speaker 8: These players struggle too, you know. I mean you can
Speaker 8: hold their hand and watch over them here while they're
Speaker 8: at the Star. It's when they leave the Star that
Speaker 8: you've got to be a little bit, you know, a
Speaker 8: little bit mindful of you know, like, hey, what's you
Speaker 8: don't always get to kind of you know, run their
Speaker 8: lives and when they're off the field, and so you know,
Speaker 8: those are things that you have to deal with. I
Speaker 8: mean I dealt with as a personal guy everywhere I've been.
Speaker 8: You know, they off the field stuff can can really
Speaker 8: really hurt you with your players, and that can hurt
Speaker 8: you with.
Speaker 3: Your locker room.
Speaker 9: Well, and we were talking about this right before the game.
Speaker 9: It's like, this is the kind of drama that happens
Speaker 9: when you're losing games and everybody's in a bad mood.
Speaker 9: People start pointing fingers. You're not happy of what this
Speaker 9: person's doing or that person is doing because you think
Speaker 9: you're right, you know, and that's you think.
Speaker 2: You could be better, You think you could be a
Speaker 2: part of the solution. There's a lot of that.
Speaker 9: Maybe they give you more, give me the chance, let
Speaker 9: me keep trying and maybe then so and again this
Speaker 9: is just in general, this is the kind of stuff
Speaker 9: that happens, and it sucks when things like that start
Speaker 9: occurring and not everyone is on the same page.
Speaker 10: But this is where we're at.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so much of the drama that that the Cowboys
Speaker 6: have experienced this year is a result of that. It's
Speaker 6: the levels of frustration. What happen with Trayvon, Like that
Speaker 6: was just frustration. You lose and you get on these
Speaker 6: losing streaks and things aren't going well and you're losing
Speaker 6: guys to injury, Like, people get frustrated and sometimes that
Speaker 6: that ends up being more dramatic than it would be
Speaker 6: if you're winning, when you just kind of like let
Speaker 6: things go by the way. Trayvon's had moments when people
Speaker 6: have talked bad about him before. When you win in
Speaker 6: twelve and five on a season, he's kind of like, whatever,
Speaker 6: I don't care what that does.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: It's just it's different when you when you lose it. Yeah,
Speaker 6: when you're when you're losing, it just creates a.
Speaker 3: Lot of nobody to hear. Nobody wants to hear they're
Speaker 3: doing a poor job.
Speaker 7: Or the reason for the losing, the reason for the losing.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and you know we you know, I mean, trust me,
Speaker 8: I I we all work in a business in the
Speaker 8: media where I mean, I know with radio we have
Speaker 8: the texts and all that and the fandom. Those folks
Speaker 8: can ruin your day. You know, they really can't. And nobody,
Speaker 8: if you read it, yeah, nobody, and I choose. You know,
Speaker 8: there's certain like certain comments I go look at it podcasts,
Speaker 8: and people will ruin your day. They absolutely will. They
Speaker 8: have no feelings for you. They don't care about you,
Speaker 8: you know, like you know, you make a comment and
Speaker 8: it makes you wonder, why why am I even comment?
Speaker 8: Why am I even trying to Why am I trying.
Speaker 3: To educate people? It's it's my job.
Speaker 8: But yeah, people, people can find a way to ruin
Speaker 8: your day. They really can't.
Speaker 6: All right, We're gonna take our final break. We will
Speaker 6: come back and what flip, what are the other side
Speaker 6: of the field of the ball. We want to talk
Speaker 6: a little bit about this defense and we certainly have
Speaker 6: to at some point get to what happened on special
Speaker 6: teams with their thought of maybe trying to convert on
Speaker 6: fourth down we'll talk about that when we come back.
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Speaker 6: It is the final segment of the Breakwayer Live from
Speaker 6: s WBC Mortgage Studios at the Style. Let's talk about
Speaker 6: the defense. Yesterday they held Atlanta. It's one hundred yards
Speaker 6: rushing b Jon Robinson held to nineteen carries for eighty
Speaker 6: six yards of four.
Speaker 2: Point five average.
Speaker 6: Although it sounds like a pretty good day with this
Speaker 6: rushing defense. I think it was a win. I would
Speaker 6: call it a win. What would you guys say about
Speaker 6: their their play yesterday?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you could say it's a win. The thing
Speaker 4: that's creeping in the back of my mind is the
Speaker 4: double digit mistackles like those eighty six yards from Jon
Speaker 4: Robinson could have easily be fouw.
Speaker 2: Let's also put that in context. That's Bejon gay it
Speaker 2: is that now.
Speaker 6: If they hadn't had a mistackle problem all season, I'd
Speaker 6: be like, that's all Bejeon because that's who Bjeon Robinson is.
Speaker 2: But just wanted to put that in.
Speaker 4: And and they did a good job against Tyler Algier,
Speaker 4: which we were talking about it during the week. He's
Speaker 4: more the physical guy. He'll run down your throat six
Speaker 4: carries eighteen yards three yards of pop. So I think
Speaker 4: they did a good job in limiting Algier's physicality. But yeah, Bjon,
Speaker 4: he's gonna get his But whenever you have your your
Speaker 4: arms around his legs or arms around his midsection, you
Speaker 4: gotta bring him down because if you don't, he will
Speaker 4: you pay.
Speaker 7: He will make you pay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that that's that's a that's a tough ask.
Speaker 8: And you know, you really you caught a break with
Speaker 8: Drake London being knocked out of that game. And but
Speaker 8: at that quarterback, he's super efficient the way he plays,
Speaker 8: He's very comfortable moving guys around. They took advantage of
Speaker 8: your rookie out there the left corner. I have seven targets,
Speaker 8: seven receptions, and you know, and and you just worry
Speaker 8: sometimes about his confidence.
Speaker 3: He was really you know, I mean.
Speaker 8: You had a chance, he had him backed up and
Speaker 8: they flipped the ball to the outside and he's got it.
Speaker 8: He's two yards two yards you know, from making a
Speaker 8: tackle right there, and and and and you know, now
Speaker 8: making them punt deep in their own territory, said they
Speaker 8: extend to drive, you get to run some more time
Speaker 8: off the clock and punt the ball down the other
Speaker 8: end of your your field. But you know, he's just
Speaker 8: he's really struggling with and he hasn't played. I mean,
Speaker 8: he plays and then he's out and then you know
Speaker 8: he's got a shoulder problem. So how much is he
Speaker 8: willing to tackle? And I'm just talking about him, you know,
Speaker 8: but you've i mean, you've got some you know, some
Speaker 8: of the things that we talked about they did, and
Speaker 8: that always makes me happy when we bring up the
Speaker 8: fact that they use mccuamu a little bit on pits.
Speaker 3: That's something we talked about.
Speaker 8: And you know, the first yeah, the first he had
Speaker 8: one catch, the first, yeah, kuamu. They shoveled around on
Speaker 8: him and and and that's that on pits.
Speaker 3: That's good.
Speaker 8: They brought over shown one time on a just a
Speaker 8: straight rush and it was the first third down of
Speaker 8: the game and they got off the field and they
Speaker 8: didn't do anything after that since. And you know, he
Speaker 8: makes you wonder. You know, you're just kind of like, damn,
Speaker 8: we told you to cover pits with a taller guy.
Speaker 8: Well done, Bring this guys a rusher. They'll have problems
Speaker 8: blocking him. They did all incomplete and well done. Now
Speaker 8: you're off the field, and then you're like the rest
Speaker 8: of the game, you're guy going where is this?
Speaker 3: Where is that?
Speaker 4: And want to fill is a product of Carl Lawson
Speaker 4: getting home a few times and then.
Speaker 3: Carl give Carl lost in some credit.
Speaker 2: Carl.
Speaker 8: And by the way, oh so Diggy Sewah played a
Speaker 8: really good game, you know, and last you were expecting
Speaker 8: that against the forty nine ers. He played like he
Speaker 8: he should have played against the forty nine ers. He
Speaker 8: played like against the Falcons. You know, he was he
Speaker 8: was very disruptive. You know, he was a really good
Speaker 8: player for him overshown.
Speaker 3: Those guys did a nice job. Yeah, you know, but
Speaker 3: you just didn't have enough of that.
Speaker 6: I said that last week about Osa, that you know,
Speaker 6: if there was I think it was one of the
Speaker 6: games we were playing. We asked the question, what would
Speaker 6: you change right now that you don't think they will,
Speaker 6: And I was like, man, go hard at defensive tackle
Speaker 6: because I'm not happy with either one right now.
Speaker 2: I think I could get more out of out of
Speaker 2: Osa even right.
Speaker 6: And surely enough, yesterday he showed me exactly what I'm like.
Speaker 6: If you give me that every week, that's that's what
Speaker 6: I want, because you put that with the pieces that
Speaker 6: you're missing right now in defense.
Speaker 2: Now you're working with something. But that's also Osa. Like
Speaker 2: Osa has been throughout his career, He's had games like that.
Speaker 2: This is not new. He can play those kinds of games.
Speaker 6: I just want to see it as consistently as he
Speaker 6: showed yesterday. I wanted to be able to put that
Speaker 6: together game after game after game because he's definitely got
Speaker 6: the talent.
Speaker 4: And this is an important year for him being a
Speaker 4: contract here, so he needs to really stay these games.
Speaker 4: And I mean, if we're looking at a situation now,
Speaker 4: and if you're a fan out there and you're saying, hey,
Speaker 4: this team's not gonna make the playoffs, what is there
Speaker 4: to keep watch at keep watching these expiring contracts because
Speaker 4: the better that these guys play down the stretch is
Speaker 4: a little more likely that these guys will be back
Speaker 4: next season. Oh so Digizua, I think, is a perfect
Speaker 4: case of that. You look at him expiring deal. Okay,
Speaker 4: if he can stack games like he had against Atlanta yesterday,
Speaker 4: maybe there's a situation where he's back as a three
Speaker 4: tech next season.
Speaker 2: Or is he go the other way?
Speaker 20: Though?
Speaker 2: Let me ask you that.
Speaker 8: It's happened in his career where he plays, he's a
Speaker 8: very good, like college player, He plays thirteen really good weeks,
Speaker 8: and then the from week fourteen through seventeen there seems
Speaker 8: to be a little drop off in play. Maybe it's
Speaker 8: going the other way. I hope for his sake, he
Speaker 8: might be in a situation where he's thinking, like every
Speaker 8: week that I don't perform it's probably costing me money
Speaker 8: in my pocket, not just with the Dallas Cowboys, but
Speaker 8: with the Indianapolis Colts, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, the San
Speaker 8: Francisco forty nine ers, whoever else is looking for a
Speaker 8: defensive tackle three technique. If my tape is not good enough,
Speaker 8: it's hard for people to give you a whole lot
Speaker 8: of money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I start wondering about.
Speaker 6: To your point, Nick, is if a person like him
Speaker 6: that has an expiring contract plays really, really well down
Speaker 6: the stretch, does it end up putting him out of
Speaker 6: the range of what the Cowboys are willing to pay,
Speaker 6: Because again, you.
Speaker 2: Got you already got a guy in dak.
Speaker 6: Who's making a ton of money, and then CD and
Speaker 6: you're thinking you got to get Micah and Micah done
Speaker 6: at some point, and Trayvon's already been paid. Like there,
Speaker 6: it's only so much money they talk about all the time.
Speaker 6: You only got so much in the pie. If he
Speaker 6: starts getting that point where he's starting to get really
Speaker 6: good and teams are looking at him like on this
Speaker 6: second contract, he's one of the best defensive tackle three
Speaker 6: techniques out there, the number might push up higher than
Speaker 6: what you.
Speaker 3: Can do happened George Armstrong?
Speaker 8: I believe I think George Armstrong got out of the
Speaker 8: ability for them to pay him.
Speaker 10: What you know, so and if that happens, then good
Speaker 10: for him.
Speaker 2: Absolutely work and.
Speaker 9: You know you want to wish all of them well
Speaker 9: at the end of the day and in their career
Speaker 9: and get the most money they can, especially at such
Speaker 9: position that you don't always get paid the highest in
Speaker 9: that regard. But overall, I think it's to me looking
Speaker 9: at this game, and there are many, many different kinds
Speaker 9: of frustration.
Speaker 10: But to know that.
Speaker 9: The final score and the score looks so much nicer
Speaker 9: than what the actual game was and looked like. But
Speaker 9: and it's happened throughout the season, You've had games in
Speaker 9: your hands. Yes, the defense has not played well, but
Speaker 9: they've done just enough, especially taking into consideration the amount
Speaker 9: of injury that they've sustained this season. But yet it
Speaker 9: just all comes back to the offense not doing enough
Speaker 9: for you. Imagine with all these closed games, had the
Speaker 9: offense scored just one more time, two more times, how
Speaker 9: we would be sitting here in a completely different scenario.
Speaker 9: Had you had Dak running the ball a lot earlier
Speaker 9: in the season, we would potentially be here in the
Speaker 9: total different scenario. Same with the running run in back situation.
Speaker 9: I feel like you should have figured that out a
Speaker 9: long time ago and not here trying to play like Okay,
Speaker 9: who do who? Who are we going to plug in?
Speaker 9: And I mean all these Yeah. So it's just it's
Speaker 9: just weird because sometimes I feel like I'm going crazy
Speaker 9: in the sense of like, men, I feel like all
Speaker 9: of us see these things weeks ago, and then it's
Speaker 9: just like they're running behind like a like like a
Speaker 9: few weeks behind of us of what we're seeing as
Speaker 9: far as like when they decide to start making some
Speaker 9: of these changes or trying some of these things.
Speaker 10: So it's just it's so annoying. It's so annoying because.
Speaker 9: I truly feel like there are a lot of talented
Speaker 9: players on this team. We've seen them play at a
Speaker 9: very high level. And to think that you've wasted all
Speaker 9: these opportunities where you could be standing very at a
Speaker 9: very very different position right now and you're just you're
Speaker 9: just not.
Speaker 10: So it's just I don't know.
Speaker 8: What sucks, depending on if they make a coaching change,
Speaker 8: and we'll see if they do, but they need to
Speaker 8: revamp the whole entire defensive tackle room in my opinion,
Speaker 8: that that that that needs to that. Whoever, whatever, if
Speaker 8: the new coach comes in and he's maybe it's a
Speaker 8: defensive coach or he brings in an offensive coach, brings
Speaker 8: in a defensive coordinator that has an idea this this
Speaker 8: this tackle room needs to be. If if Os goes
Speaker 8: and Mazzie Smith goes, and Linvil Joseph goes and.
Speaker 3: All that, that to me, that's I have no problem
Speaker 3: with that. But they're going to.
Speaker 8: Have to redo that whole room in my.
Speaker 9: Opinion and my under Oh sorry, I was going to
Speaker 9: my understanding and correct me if I'm wrong. But money wise,
Speaker 9: we're worse off right now for this upcoming free agency
Speaker 9: than we were last.
Speaker 4: Year right back, and CD gives you a lot of
Speaker 4: flexibility in that sense. We'll kind of see how everything
Speaker 4: shakes out.
Speaker 3: Though.
Speaker 4: I think there's going to be more opportunity, but there's
Speaker 4: that's too early.
Speaker 2: Really.
Speaker 6: I think there's a lot of money that's that's on
Speaker 6: the books that you can't get rid of because of
Speaker 6: uh that was already money that was gonna be that's
Speaker 6: gonna catch up to.
Speaker 3: Well, we've got things kind of earmarks. So it's every
Speaker 3: time you think, every time.
Speaker 8: You think they have one hundred million dollars in cap space,
Speaker 8: it's all spent. Yeah, That's kind of how I And
Speaker 8: even when I worked in the organization, that's I'm like, wait,
Speaker 8: wait a minute, We've got this amount of money. It's like, no,
Speaker 8: that money is already spent, and I'm like, oh okay.
Speaker 9: So yeah, and that's that cycle where you you kind
Speaker 9: of keep being forced to rely on the draft and
Speaker 9: develop those talent. And again, we know the history that
Speaker 9: they have in drafting players. They've been really really good
Speaker 9: at it. But when that comes time and developing and
Speaker 9: all of that. So it's just it's gonna be a
Speaker 9: wild one this off season.
Speaker 6: All right, real quick, before we end the show, I
Speaker 6: do want to get your opinions on that play. The
Speaker 6: Cowboys decide on fourth down they're going to try to
Speaker 6: run a fake punt. What were your thoughts on just
Speaker 6: the decision and then the decision to do that versus
Speaker 6: keeping that dak in the offense on the field, if
Speaker 6: you're going to go forward and try to convert it
Speaker 6: that way.
Speaker 4: I it was it was a very clear fake punt situation.
Speaker 4: I think first off, so I don't think you were
Speaker 4: necessarily catching anybody off guard because it was the middle
Speaker 4: of the field, fourth and short.
Speaker 7: I just I don't understand.
Speaker 4: Going one on one with c J Goodwin and throwing
Speaker 4: up the ball to c J Goodwin one on one.
Speaker 7: I don't. I don't understand that personally.
Speaker 4: I I if you had a Jalen Brooks out there, Okay,
Speaker 4: that makes a little bit more sense.
Speaker 2: But we have Flinoy on the other side.
Speaker 7: Side six probably the better option.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he had absolutely no shot at that.
Speaker 4: Also, on fourth down fake punt situations, pass interference is
Speaker 4: not a thing, so he can just mug him and
Speaker 4: be completely legal. So I don't I don't understand throwing
Speaker 4: it up one on one in that situation. I think
Speaker 4: I would try to get the personal protector who was
Speaker 4: one day Thomas and then it was Marque Spell after
Speaker 4: Thomas came out, get him out in the flat or
Speaker 4: something like that instead.
Speaker 7: That's it was.
Speaker 3: There was.
Speaker 8: There was no doubt he was just going to catch
Speaker 8: the ball and throw it no matter what. Yeah, almost
Speaker 8: ended up being a pick six.
Speaker 16: It did.
Speaker 3: I mean it really should have been probably, you know.
Speaker 8: So yeah, it's and you mentioned Flinoy. He's the gunner
Speaker 8: on the other side of the field. He's six ' three,
Speaker 8: he's a wide receiver. He's used to running routes. He's
Speaker 8: used to kind of pushing off and going up and
Speaker 8: getting the ball vertically like that play maybe high point
Speaker 8: in the ball. To me, that's kind of a mismanagement
Speaker 8: if you're if you're going to do stuff like that,
Speaker 8: give yourself the best chance. Taller receiver against a smaller corner.
Speaker 8: That's what they had on the outside there. But they
Speaker 8: went corner against corner and it was too easy to
Speaker 8: play for them to have to make it's.
Speaker 4: Three yards, why not just drag you know, Yes, it's
Speaker 4: uh harder than it needs to be.
Speaker 9: Be careful what you asked for. We've been asking for creativity.
Speaker 9: I mean, give them credit. It was kind of quote
Speaker 9: unquote different.
Speaker 6: Should we ask for success rights creative success with.
Speaker 10: Those objectives that you use, and.
Speaker 8: I just want success. I don't know, I don't care
Speaker 8: if it's creative or not.
Speaker 3: Just give me success, Dallas.
Speaker 2: That was a tough one.
Speaker 3: All right.
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Speaker 6: Brian's gonna have a little game for us. Uh, we're
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