WEBVTT - Ain't No Mountain High Enough

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<v Speaker 1>Wind Down with Janet Kramer and Michael Cosson and iHeart

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<v Speaker 1>Radio and People's Choice Award nominated podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>We got the nomination down there.

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<v Speaker 3>What is that gonna stay there for years to come?

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<v Speaker 3>In like three years? Nominated back in twenty nineteen.

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<v Speaker 2>For the wind Down. Yeah, I mean that would be

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<v Speaker 2>nice if it said Wine Doown winner, that would be great. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>speaking of Wine Down, we are doing a Wine Doown

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<v Speaker 2>tour and we are going to Atlanta, Chicago, Michigan. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know why I always have to sing Michigan because

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<v Speaker 2>it's my hometown. Nashville, Philly, Philly, Maryland, Maryland, a few

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<v Speaker 2>other places, Louisville, Louisville. So get your tickets because we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna sit down. So people keep kind of asking, like,

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<v Speaker 2>what's this live podcast thing about. It's not really a

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<v Speaker 2>live podcast. It's more like an evening with So we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna sit down, we're gonna talk, we're gonna play games,

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna have fun. My girls, Sarah's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>there with us, and then we'll have some surprise guests

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<v Speaker 2>along the way.

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<v Speaker 3>We interact, we interact questions, we ask questions, we bring

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<v Speaker 3>people up on stage, We uh, Jana sings at the

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<v Speaker 3>end of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I sing like a forty five minute hour set.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just a lot of fun. So we really want

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<v Speaker 2>you guys to wind down with us. Go to Janacramer

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<v Speaker 2>dot com or Ticketmaster to get your tickets, and then

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<v Speaker 2>we also signed to at the end of the show,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's really fun. We get to meet all of

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<v Speaker 2>you guys. And if you want to go to an

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<v Speaker 2>actual live podcast, Ben and Ashley are actually doing one too,

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<v Speaker 2>the Almost Famous Live January eleventh at the Palace of

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<v Speaker 2>Fun Arts and sin fran So get your tickets on

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<v Speaker 2>ticketmaster dot com for the Almost Famous Live. So super fun.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it started to really take off those events.

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<v Speaker 2>Even I was talking to the scribbing in girls because

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<v Speaker 2>they're they're wanting to do that too, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's a I think it's really cool. I know Dak

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<v Speaker 2>Shepherd's coming to Nashville soon, which I want to check out.

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<v Speaker 3>That's about the competition, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I wonder because I know it's a live podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>but we don't record ours, just because I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>if it was recorded then it was like people would

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<v Speaker 2>be like, I'll just watch it on YouTube or listen to.

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<v Speaker 3>It and our outlook is people want to come see

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<v Speaker 3>something that they can't get elsewhere.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that's what I'm just I'm just curious, like

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<v Speaker 2>if are they all and when they say live podcasts,

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<v Speaker 2>is it actually can you listen to it on the show?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, Yeah, do you.

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<v Speaker 4>Know, Mark, I think it depends on I think it

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<v Speaker 4>almost famous will be a podcast you'll be able to download.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it varies from show to show, but I

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<v Speaker 4>think most of them like to do that. They like

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<v Speaker 4>to kind of double up, you know. They they did

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<v Speaker 4>the show and then they record the show and then

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<v Speaker 4>there are podcasts that's done for that week.

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<v Speaker 3>And I can see the entry on that too for

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<v Speaker 3>people for audience members if they you know, if the

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<v Speaker 3>podcaster interacts with the audience like we do, and they

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<v Speaker 3>get to go back and listen to themselves interact at

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<v Speaker 3>the you know, evening with on the next week during

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<v Speaker 3>the during when it aired. But that's not what we do.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if they want to see that, then they can

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<v Speaker 2>go to Tully and download the Telly app because that's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a little version of that. We have a

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<v Speaker 2>show called in Perfect Harmony that we're doing too, So

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<v Speaker 2>that's really fun.

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<v Speaker 3>So just lots going on eighth Central.

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<v Speaker 2>Look at that, babe, So excited for the show.

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<v Speaker 5>Today.

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<v Speaker 2>We have Gabrielle Stone coming on and I actually met

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<v Speaker 2>her mom because she played my grandma in the Lifetime

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<v Speaker 2>movie that's coming out November seventeenth, Dee Wallace's daughter. So

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<v Speaker 2>she's got a book out that's out called Eat Prey

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<v Speaker 2>hashtag FML and the very crazy story because I actually

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<v Speaker 2>I was talking to her mom and I had no

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<v Speaker 2>idea who Gabrielle was the time, But then when you

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<v Speaker 2>started talking about this guy that she dated, I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my gosh, is your daughter Gabrielle? Because I knew

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<v Speaker 2>all about Gabrielle because the acts told me, and you.

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<v Speaker 3>Knew Gabrielle's name.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Interesting, but you didn't put.

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<v Speaker 2>Too never put two and two together ever. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>just it was like, so stay tuned to hear it's interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, gabrielle story is very interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>It is. So I'm excited to talk to her and

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<v Speaker 2>sit down with her later and then drink a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of wine tonight with her. Yeah why not? So what's

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<v Speaker 2>new in your world, Coffin?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh man, we have a lot coming up the next

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<v Speaker 3>couple of months. So really everything I have going on,

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<v Speaker 3>you have going on. This week, we've been surviving without

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<v Speaker 3>a nanny.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's been that's been fun. But also I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like it's doable too.

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<v Speaker 3>It is it is. I mean, you know that signs

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<v Speaker 3>spoiled or we're fortunate enough to have a nanny that

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<v Speaker 3>we love and that you know does a fantastic job,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's it's I will say I'm impressed with how

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<v Speaker 3>we've handled it this week because there's been a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>It takes a lot of communication, right to be on

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<v Speaker 3>the same page. And I feel like any relationship, and

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<v Speaker 3>us especially, you just kind of anticipate or expect the

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<v Speaker 3>other one to know your schedule, whether you put it

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<v Speaker 3>in the calendar or whether you talked about it two

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<v Speaker 3>weeks ago, and expect the other person to remember. I

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<v Speaker 3>feel like we've done a good job at staying on

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<v Speaker 3>top of this week and expressing what we needed. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe we can carry that over into weeks that even

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<v Speaker 3>when we do have the nanny, right, it would probably

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<v Speaker 3>be helpful.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because I feel like there's a lot of times

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, hey, I have this at ten o'clock, I

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<v Speaker 2>have a call it's very important, can you take the kids?

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<v Speaker 2>And if not? Because most of the time I would

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<v Speaker 2>never say anything, and then I would just get mad

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<v Speaker 2>at you for like, don't you know that I have

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<v Speaker 2>this thing today at ten? So I would like unfairly

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<v Speaker 2>get frustrated with you because I would figure that you

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<v Speaker 2>either looked at the calendar or like that I had

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<v Speaker 2>to work. So it's just I think naming like what

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<v Speaker 2>you have to do has been.

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<v Speaker 3>Helpful for sure, and I appreciate you are challenging that.

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<v Speaker 3>Which part the fact that you understand that you don't

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<v Speaker 3>I have in the past, I mean, done that, always

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<v Speaker 3>do that?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, well I've definitely feel like I've gotten

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<v Speaker 2>better at it. It's like ask for It's like, ask

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<v Speaker 2>for what you need. But the problem that I have

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<v Speaker 2>a hard time with because I remember talking to my therapist,

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<v Speaker 2>She's like, ask for help, but I'm like, I have

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<v Speaker 2>a really hard time with that because it's like when

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<v Speaker 2>if you ask for help but then they don't really

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<v Speaker 2>do it the right way or they don't do it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like I don't want to have to ask you

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<v Speaker 2>to do the kids laundry. I don't want to ask

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<v Speaker 2>you to clean up the stuff in the back. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to have to ask you to do those things.

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<v Speaker 2>But then it feels like when you're doing everything, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's like how do you because I'm like, I would

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<v Speaker 2>just think that you would help with those things, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we have our duties and you have yours

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<v Speaker 2>and I have mine. But then it's just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>So that's where I have like a hard time. I

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<v Speaker 2>have a tough time with that because I'm like, what's

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<v Speaker 2>my role and there's your role, but then also asking

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<v Speaker 2>for help and like when to ask for help?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, and that's where I feel, you know, sometimes where

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<v Speaker 3>you maybe you don't take something as your role. And

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<v Speaker 3>I think we split things pretty evenly, like it just

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<v Speaker 3>kind of goes We'll like a seesaw kind of goes

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<v Speaker 3>back and forth because we both have done like everything

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<v Speaker 3>that is required to whether the kids or dinner or

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<v Speaker 3>stuff for us or whatever, we've both done those things.

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<v Speaker 3>But I but I do feel like sometimes when you

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<v Speaker 3>do do something, maybe like even though you're doing it,

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<v Speaker 3>your first thought might be, well, why do I Why

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<v Speaker 3>am I doing this right now? Why don't I do this?

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm like in my head when I when I

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<v Speaker 3>do something, I just kind of do it because it

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<v Speaker 3>needs to get done. I don't necessarily think, not, well,

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<v Speaker 3>Janel should be doing this right now.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what you think.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm thinking, mad, That's I do. That's what I make up.

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<v Speaker 3>I make up that because at times, not often, not always,

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<v Speaker 3>not none of those pronouns. At times you make it.

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<v Speaker 3>You'll make a comment about the laundry or something or

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<v Speaker 3>whatever after you had just completed that task, and I'm like, what, okay.

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<v Speaker 3>In my head, I'm like then the whole time, you

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<v Speaker 3>just sit there. Anytime you do something, you think, why

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<v Speaker 3>didn't I do this already?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I don't think it. I can see how you

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<v Speaker 2>think that. I don't. I don't do that. I just

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<v Speaker 2>have a hard time with you know. I just I

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<v Speaker 2>wonder the timeline sometimes and like do you see the

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<v Speaker 2>laundry filling up? I'm like, would you ever get it?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I've talked I talked to Leslie about this

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<v Speaker 2>a whole time. It's like even her sons, it's like

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<v Speaker 2>they would probably buy new underwear before they ever clean

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<v Speaker 2>their underwear.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just and like the same with like Chris, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not faulting you. I'm just really just trying to bring

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<v Speaker 2>up a topic of discussion.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, this is a great topic though, because I do

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<v Speaker 3>ironically I have something to bring to your attention.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so.

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<v Speaker 3>Last week I had a poker night.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, you took a bath I did.

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<v Speaker 3>You had wine.

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<v Speaker 2>I was still drinking it.

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<v Speaker 3>There was a wine glass on the edge of our bathtub,

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<v Speaker 3>in between where the two twel racks are that I

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<v Speaker 3>saw sitting there for a couple of days, and I said,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what, I'm going to leave that and see

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<v Speaker 3>if Janna picks it.

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<v Speaker 2>Up, oh a little game.

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<v Speaker 3>After a few days, I said, you know what, I

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<v Speaker 3>need to at least move this glass so someone's towel

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't knock it and breaks and shatters all over our

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<v Speaker 3>bathroom floor. So I moved it onto our counter.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't notice that in.

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<v Speaker 3>The bathroom in between our sinks. I left it there

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<v Speaker 3>for another two days, still did not move. So today

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<v Speaker 3>I finally said that's enough, I'm just going to move

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<v Speaker 3>the glass. I didn't say anything. I didn't bring it up.

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<v Speaker 3>I just moved it, put it in the sink, and

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<v Speaker 3>put water in it to clean.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't even notice the glass.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, and that's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I didn't notice that. I remember having it, and

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<v Speaker 2>I remember putting it there, and I remember being too

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<v Speaker 2>tired to go put it in the kitchen, and I

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<v Speaker 2>truly have I totally forgot about it.

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<v Speaker 3>There, right, And so when I knows, two nights ago,

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<v Speaker 3>when I let the dogs out at night and they're

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<v Speaker 3>chewing my paintbrushes, I said, you know what, I'm too

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<v Speaker 3>tired of cleaning that up right now, I'm gonna deal

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<v Speaker 3>with it before the weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's so funny. It truly is funny. Though it

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<v Speaker 2>really is like a double standard.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I appreciate you admitting that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I do. I can admit that full circle.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like there's a lot of relationships out there

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<v Speaker 3>that are like, yes, yep, you're.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, double standard. Okay.

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<v Speaker 6>The way I've always looked at it was like that

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<v Speaker 6>kind of like in basketball, like shot attempts versus baskets made,

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<v Speaker 6>because like Allison is just drained in threes all day

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<v Speaker 6>long in terms of keeping the house together, and I'm

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not even taking a shot, you know, And like

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<v Speaker 6>so when I do and I miss, then it's like

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<v Speaker 6>a bigger deal because I was like my one chance

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<v Speaker 6>to like keep this place clean, and I left my

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<v Speaker 6>backpack on the floor again, and I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>and I see there's in there's an imbalance there in

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<v Speaker 6>terms of like stuff being done around the house.

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<v Speaker 2>And uh.

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<v Speaker 6>And then I go into the whole. Well, I make

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<v Speaker 6>all the money, you know, and it doesn't matter. It's

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<v Speaker 6>it's our house and we should both be working equally

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<v Speaker 6>to keep maintaining.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that what you say?

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<v Speaker 3>That's one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 2>What I said.

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<v Speaker 1>What did she do?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, she says that's you know, that's true, But that's

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<v Speaker 6>not fair for you to say because because it's not

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<v Speaker 6>you know, and uh, And that's an art that's a

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<v Speaker 6>place that I like fall back to sometimes, uh, because

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<v Speaker 6>I feel guilty about not doing more stuff around the house.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's what and that's what it is.

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<v Speaker 6>And that's maybe getting defensive and you know and being

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<v Speaker 6>motivated by shame. But I see there's a problem.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm working on it. Yeah, No, I totally get that.

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<v Speaker 3>And I mean I think there definitely is something to

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<v Speaker 3>be said for that. And you know, like in our relationship,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not the breadwinner. But at the same time, like

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<v Speaker 3>I can understand why in relationships like if I gave

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<v Speaker 3>Janna all the time for stuff, whether around the house

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<v Speaker 3>or anything else, it's like, well, I'm doing something here,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I am doing something to do. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>want to have to remind you, but I do pull weight.

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<v Speaker 3>It may not look the same as you would like,

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<v Speaker 3>but you know, so I could definitely see how that

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<v Speaker 3>would be aggravating.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, again, it should be equal no

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<v Speaker 2>matter who's pulling.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, And we do honestly for opposition, we do a

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<v Speaker 3>fantastic job.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we do.

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<v Speaker 2>We do a great job. I mean, there's plenty of

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<v Speaker 2>husbands that I know that don't do half as much

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<v Speaker 2>as you know what we do together, right, you do, so, Mad,

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<v Speaker 2>Mad props always for that. October is a giant month

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<v Speaker 2>of travel, and there's some things that I'm doing just

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<v Speaker 2>for the paycheck. And you know, I hate to say that,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, because I'd rather be home with the kids,

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<v Speaker 2>and traveling is just like to be away as much

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<v Speaker 2>as I'm going to be in October, It's it's already

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<v Speaker 2>like stressing me out. But I know that I have

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<v Speaker 2>to go and I need to make the money, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, for the family. And Mike does a really

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<v Speaker 2>good job of at least appreciating that, and we'll text

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<v Speaker 2>me and say, hey, I appreciate the hard work right now.

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<v Speaker 2>And sometimes like that validation is like okay, like yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>let's get on this plane, let's do this. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>so I don't know, like I do personally, I like

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<v Speaker 2>that appreciation because I know that, like he's not taking

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<v Speaker 2>it for granted, that he knows the sacrifice that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>making because I don't want to be away from the

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<v Speaker 2>kids ever, which is why I'm trying to, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>smuggle the kids into New York when we have a

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<v Speaker 2>New York trip later in October. So and he's like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to take him, and I'm like I do,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't. I'm going to be gone so much

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<v Speaker 2>this month and so, but yeah, it's interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think that that appreciate that appreciation is important.

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<v Speaker 3>I appreciate your acknowledging.

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<v Speaker 2>That you appreciate you appreciation. I appreciate you because I

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<v Speaker 2>do try.

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<v Speaker 3>I do, I do try to make a conscious effort

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<v Speaker 3>because I know your personality. I know you don't want

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<v Speaker 3>to and my person and audi not that I want

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<v Speaker 3>to be away from the kids more than you. Do,

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<v Speaker 3>or I care less than you do. But my mindset

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<v Speaker 3>maybe this is just a real thing too. It's like,

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<v Speaker 3>all right, this is my job. I gotta get it done.

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<v Speaker 3>I gotta go. End of story where I feel maybe

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<v Speaker 3>this could be a generalization women. Maybe because of the

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<v Speaker 3>mother motherly feeling, You're just like, no, I don't want

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<v Speaker 3>to leave at all for any reason.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I hate leaving.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I know you do.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate it because then I'm like, my kids don't

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<v Speaker 2>even know me. It's like we just spent and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>really like, I see them all the time, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>just those two three four day trips that just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of eat me up back to back. But it's all good. Okay. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>in other news, Sarah's here and also my friend Gabriella

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<v Speaker 2>just pulled into so let's get them on the show. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really excited because I know I just because so

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<v Speaker 2>I had the pleasure of I'm going to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>you like you're not here right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, cool, I'll wait.

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<v Speaker 2>I had the pleasure of working with our next guest

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<v Speaker 2>Mom on Christmas in Louisiana, which is premiering November seventeenth.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't laugh, Cruise I'm.

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<v Speaker 7>Laughing at Christmas and Louisiana.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I was on a Lifetime movie Christmas and Louisiana.

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<v Speaker 3>It's always on late day movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Lifetime is lit. No, I love it, but I

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<v Speaker 2>just I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like especially Christmas.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I don't like to like you known. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>here we go.

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<v Speaker 7>Janna's in a movie that's coming out November seventeenth on Lifetime.

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<v Speaker 2>Christmas and Louisiana, Thank You, with d Wallace, and I

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<v Speaker 2>had the pleasure of working with her, and she's she

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<v Speaker 2>kept telling me about her daughter and about her book

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<v Speaker 2>because I was kind of sharing my story with your

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<v Speaker 2>mom and she was just like, oh, my goodness, you

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<v Speaker 2>know you and my daughter, you guys have so much

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<v Speaker 2>in common. And then I got your book that second

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<v Speaker 2>I amazoned it and it was called Eat Prey hashtag FML,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, oh, she's already my best FRIENDECT.

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<v Speaker 2>I love her. So everyone welcome. Gabrielle Stone, Thank you,

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you. I love your book. Thank you, because some

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<v Speaker 2>halfway through I haven't finished it yet, but what I

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<v Speaker 2>love about it, and this is what your mom told

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<v Speaker 2>me too, was she was just like, you had offers

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<v Speaker 2>to do a book deal with other publishers, and you

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<v Speaker 2>were like, no, like, I'm doing it my way and

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<v Speaker 2>this is how I want to do it. And I

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<v Speaker 2>love that because it shows too in the book, like

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<v Speaker 2>your your voice in the book is just like this

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<v Speaker 2>is this is it? You know, and you didn't like

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<v Speaker 2>hold back on anything. I think maybe people would be like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe like ten, like go sus softer on this note

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<v Speaker 2>or yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what a lot of the bigger publishing places

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to do, is well, maybe we should tone it down,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe we don't write about like this bad situation. And

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<v Speaker 1>that felt so inauthentic to me. And I knew that

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<v Speaker 1>when all this stuff was happening to me, if I

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<v Speaker 1>was going to share it with the world, it needed

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<v Speaker 1>to be done in a vulnerable, true, authentic way, and

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<v Speaker 1>the best way to do that was to just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of keep control and do it by myself.

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<v Speaker 3>What inspired you to share it publicly?

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<v Speaker 1>So for a little backstory, I was married for almost

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<v Speaker 1>two years, found out my husband was having an affair

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<v Speaker 1>with the nineteen year old for six months, filed for divorce,

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<v Speaker 1>left shortly after that, met a man, fell madly in

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<v Speaker 1>love with each other, was like a whirlwind romance and

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<v Speaker 1>convinced me to go on a month long trip to

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<v Speaker 1>Italy with him. Forty eight hours before we were getting

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<v Speaker 1>on a plane, he told me he needed to go

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<v Speaker 1>by himself, and I was absolutely devastated, broke my heart

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<v Speaker 1>like my ex husband never could have done. And I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, well, I have a decision to make, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's either stay at home and be heart broken or

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<v Speaker 1>go travel Europe for a month by myself. And I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, well, good, I'm gonna go. So to answer

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<v Speaker 1>your question, I knew the second that happened and I

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<v Speaker 1>decided I was going to go by myself, that I

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<v Speaker 1>was going to write about it because it felt like

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to move. I mean, my friends would

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<v Speaker 1>call me and be like, what's going on this week?

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<v Speaker 1>In the Netflix episode It's Gabrielle's life, like it was ridiculous,

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<v Speaker 1>one thing after another, and I knew that whatever I

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<v Speaker 1>was going to learn at the end of this experience

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<v Speaker 1>was going to be really powerful in a healing way,

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<v Speaker 1>and I wanted to be able to share that with

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<v Speaker 1>the women and men of the world. That actually had

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of men reach out to me after reading it,

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<v Speaker 1>which has been really cool.

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<v Speaker 3>That's awesome. Yeah, what with your first marriage. You know

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of people have talked to as Jane and

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<v Speaker 3>I like why do we stay?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Why were we willing to work on it? In your situation,

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<v Speaker 3>how did you know? Like why'd you know I'm gone? Period? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Which is so interesting because I've listened to this podcast

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<v Speaker 1>with you guys talk and it's I was so excited

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of like compare everything because my situation was

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<v Speaker 1>drastically different we my ex and I I was not

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<v Speaker 1>in love with him. I didn't realize that until I

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<v Speaker 1>met the guy after that and was like, oh, this

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<v Speaker 1>is what it lopposed to feel like. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>I married him because he was safe. I come from

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<v Speaker 1>a long line of like abandonment wounds. I lost my

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<v Speaker 1>father when I was a little girl, and then I

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<v Speaker 1>lost my boyfriend when I was in high school. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think I married him because he was safe to me.

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<v Speaker 1>So when I found out about the affair that had

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<v Speaker 1>been going on for six months and there you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I write about the main one, I'm pretty confident that

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<v Speaker 1>there was other things going on. There's one, there's usually, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but the depth of it, like I mean, second phone, hotel,

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<v Speaker 1>rooms under a different name. Like the extent of it

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<v Speaker 1>was so intense. I was just like, God, you must

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<v Speaker 1>be exhausted, dude, Like you should have just been like, Yo,

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<v Speaker 1>this isn't working, Like let's get a divorce. I would

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<v Speaker 1>have been like, Okay, cool, let's try and be friends.

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<v Speaker 1>But the way he went about it was so dirty

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<v Speaker 1>and deceitful. But to be brutally honest in that answer,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a way out for me because I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know why I had been miserable for the last like

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<v Speaker 1>six seven eight months until I found that out. But

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<v Speaker 1>it was a way that I was like, oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm done, and it was just the disrespect level and

0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:07.800
<v Speaker 1>the trust I wasn't I knew that there was no

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<v Speaker 1>way to rebuild that for me and him personally, and

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't want to. I think, if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>and you love the person, that's obviously a vastly different situation.

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<v Speaker 1>That was not the case for me, and I really

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<v Speaker 1>counted as like a huge blessing. I'm like weirdly thankful

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<v Speaker 1>to him because I can't imagine still being in that situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I feel like a lot of people do that.

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<v Speaker 7>I feel like so many people get married because they're like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 7>he's safe or she's safe for like, we've been together

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<v Speaker 7>so long, why not let's just get me, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like what And it's like, I'm twenty six

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<v Speaker 1>and then we'll be married for a couple of years

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<v Speaker 1>and then I'll have babies and then and now I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, I'm only thirty, Like what.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you think if that, if he never had

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<v Speaker 3>affairs or anything like that, do you think you would

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<v Speaker 3>have ever reached a point where you're like, I can't

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<v Speaker 3>do this.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I would have stayed a very long time

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<v Speaker 1>trying to make it work, because I I even leaving

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<v Speaker 1>with the cheating, I was feeling guilty because my mom

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<v Speaker 1>had just given me this dream wedding. We had just

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<v Speaker 1>gone on this amazing honeymoon. All of our friends and

0:21:07.000 --> 0:21:09.320
<v Speaker 1>family came and like we're so supportive, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>this big spectacle, and all of a sudden, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>over that quickly. So I yeah, I think I would

0:21:16.000 --> 0:21:18.000
<v Speaker 1>have stayed a lot longer trying to make it work

0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:22.000
<v Speaker 1>and been really unhappy doing so, until it ultimately just

0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:23.679
<v Speaker 1>wasted a couple more years of my life. And then

0:21:23.720 --> 0:21:25.920
<v Speaker 1>I eventually would have would have left.

0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:27.920
<v Speaker 2>I feel like I have to kind of retrack something

0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:29.800
<v Speaker 2>that I said, because it's always kind of bothered me

0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:33.520
<v Speaker 2>because it was a headline that said I didn't take

0:21:33.520 --> 0:21:36.280
<v Speaker 2>the easy way out, and I think that's not a

0:21:36.320 --> 0:21:39.680
<v Speaker 2>fair thing to say, because sometimes it's harder to leave too,

0:21:40.119 --> 0:21:42.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, sometimes it's the strongest thing to do is leave.

0:21:43.400 --> 0:21:44.960
<v Speaker 1>And I think it's dependent on the situation.

0:21:45.119 --> 0:21:48.000
<v Speaker 2>I think it is completely dependent on the situation. I agree,

0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:49.600
<v Speaker 2>but I thought that always is kind of it's like

0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:51.040
<v Speaker 2>one of the things like she didn't take the easy

0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:52.520
<v Speaker 2>way out, and I'm like, oh, that's so. That doesn't

0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:55.159
<v Speaker 2>mean that everybody that leaves is taking the easy way out. No,

0:21:55.240 --> 0:21:56.560
<v Speaker 2>either or not, because sometimes it's harder.

0:21:56.680 --> 0:21:58.919
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, on both ends.

0:21:58.960 --> 0:22:01.960
<v Speaker 2>And I would say, like, honestly, sure, there were times

0:22:01.960 --> 0:22:04.520
<v Speaker 2>when I'm like, it would have been harder for me

0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:07.920
<v Speaker 2>to leave. They're both hard, but sometimes it is harder

0:22:07.920 --> 0:22:10.400
<v Speaker 2>because of the logistics of the kids, and like.

0:22:10.560 --> 0:22:12.760
<v Speaker 1>Starting over life, I was starting off, I was so

0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:15.760
<v Speaker 1>lucky that like we didn't known a house together, we

0:22:15.840 --> 0:22:19.920
<v Speaker 1>didn't have children. I mean, I can't imagine that would

0:22:19.960 --> 0:22:23.800
<v Speaker 1>have been a completely different decision making process if other

0:22:23.880 --> 0:22:27.960
<v Speaker 1>elements would have been included. I was really thinking.

0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:29.880
<v Speaker 2>Did he want to stay and work it out?

0:22:30.720 --> 0:22:33.479
<v Speaker 1>I don't. I don't think so, but I don't really know.

0:22:34.080 --> 0:22:36.639
<v Speaker 1>I didn't really give the opportunity to like have that

0:22:36.720 --> 0:22:40.600
<v Speaker 1>discussion when he was on a business trip when I

0:22:40.720 --> 0:22:45.000
<v Speaker 1>found out everything. He came home. I like had the

0:22:45.040 --> 0:22:47.119
<v Speaker 1>papers handed to him when he got back to our

0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:49.879
<v Speaker 1>house and had like a fifteen minute conversation where he

0:22:49.920 --> 0:22:53.040
<v Speaker 1>continued to light in my face and was just like okay, bye,

0:22:53.480 --> 0:22:55.880
<v Speaker 1>and walked out the door, and felt like a whole

0:22:55.880 --> 0:22:57.000
<v Speaker 1>weight was lifted off me.

0:22:57.240 --> 0:22:59.400
<v Speaker 2>I can imagine like you were probably like you said,

0:22:59.440 --> 0:22:59.840
<v Speaker 2>you were, like.

0:23:00.080 --> 0:23:03.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, dodged like not a bullet, like an army of snipers,

0:23:03.400 --> 0:23:04.400
<v Speaker 1>like completely.

0:23:05.560 --> 0:23:07.359
<v Speaker 2>So then, how how soon was it that you met

0:23:07.760 --> 0:23:08.520
<v Speaker 2>your next.

0:23:08.560 --> 0:23:11.360
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so the next dude we'll call him. Character name

0:23:11.440 --> 0:23:11.879
<v Speaker 1>is Javier.

0:23:12.160 --> 0:23:15.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh and by the way, I know Javier, so that's

0:23:15.840 --> 0:23:18.959
<v Speaker 2>another connection. You know him because we're friends, you've met him.

0:23:19.000 --> 0:23:20.760
<v Speaker 2>But I've talked about Hoavier before.

0:23:21.000 --> 0:23:22.960
<v Speaker 1>And this is the only podcast that I've ever done

0:23:22.960 --> 0:23:25.680
<v Speaker 1>where someone knows one of the main characters in.

0:23:26.000 --> 0:23:29.000
<v Speaker 2>Because your mom, her mom was talking about her life

0:23:29.080 --> 0:23:32.600
<v Speaker 2>and I go oh my god, I go, is it Javier?

0:23:33.600 --> 0:23:36.840
<v Speaker 2>And she goes, oh my god, how do you know?

0:23:37.480 --> 0:23:40.439
<v Speaker 2>And I said, oh my god, I remember him saying

0:23:40.840 --> 0:23:43.080
<v Speaker 2>he was going to take a girl to Italy and

0:23:43.160 --> 0:23:47.680
<v Speaker 2>he decided this person. Yeah, I've known him for twelve

0:23:47.680 --> 0:23:48.640
<v Speaker 2>plus plus years old.

0:23:48.680 --> 0:23:48.840
<v Speaker 7>Yah.

0:23:48.960 --> 0:23:52.120
<v Speaker 1>So when her and I connected and yeah, messaged each

0:23:52.119 --> 0:23:54.439
<v Speaker 1>other on Instagram, I was like, I'm kind of not

0:23:54.640 --> 0:23:58.360
<v Speaker 1>believing this whole situation. She's like, I know, oh, I know.

0:23:58.480 --> 0:24:00.840
<v Speaker 2>So I was just like, yeah. So I was just like,

0:24:00.880 --> 0:24:03.680
<v Speaker 2>I remember him vividly saying for you, she was going

0:24:03.720 --> 0:24:06.200
<v Speaker 2>through some stuff and you know, he's like and then

0:24:06.200 --> 0:24:09.199
<v Speaker 2>he said that, you know, he just needed to not

0:24:09.320 --> 0:24:11.280
<v Speaker 2>go with her. And then I'm like and then I'm

0:24:11.400 --> 0:24:13.200
<v Speaker 2>talking to your mom and I'm like, oh my god,

0:24:13.280 --> 0:24:16.480
<v Speaker 2>Like this is just like crazy because I remember this conversation.

0:24:16.600 --> 0:24:21.840
<v Speaker 1>So his backstory is about a year and a half

0:24:21.840 --> 0:24:28.240
<v Speaker 1>before we got together, he lost his brother and it

0:24:28.440 --> 0:24:31.600
<v Speaker 1>really really affected him, as you know it would, and

0:24:31.880 --> 0:24:35.200
<v Speaker 1>I think he stuffed down a lot of that grief.

0:24:35.280 --> 0:24:37.600
<v Speaker 2>And suicide too, which is like a nut whole.

0:24:38.119 --> 0:24:40.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I think he kind of buried it, and

0:24:40.400 --> 0:24:42.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, when started working a lot, and you know,

0:24:43.280 --> 0:24:45.520
<v Speaker 1>just kind of tried to run. Felt like he dealt

0:24:45.520 --> 0:24:48.560
<v Speaker 1>with it but didn't. And when we fell in love,

0:24:48.600 --> 0:24:51.840
<v Speaker 1>I think that opened up a floodgate of just lots

0:24:51.840 --> 0:24:52.760
<v Speaker 1>and lots of emotions.

0:24:52.800 --> 0:24:55.240
<v Speaker 2>Well, and he's never loved someone the way that he

0:24:55.280 --> 0:24:59.600
<v Speaker 2>loved you ever, too, Like that was like, oh, yeah,

0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:01.840
<v Speaker 2>I think that probably scared the crap out of him.

0:25:01.920 --> 0:25:04.520
<v Speaker 1>I think that's exactly what happened. Yeah, I just got

0:25:04.520 --> 0:25:07.600
<v Speaker 1>caught in the crossfire of it. But I have a

0:25:07.600 --> 0:25:10.800
<v Speaker 1>lot of compassion and we're still friends and I care

0:25:10.840 --> 0:25:15.480
<v Speaker 1>a lot about him. But it was a really difficult situation.

0:25:16.200 --> 0:25:19.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he coming off of the divorce. It was

0:25:19.119 --> 0:25:21.919
<v Speaker 1>like I was fine. I know that sounds weird, but

0:25:22.000 --> 0:25:23.840
<v Speaker 1>I was like, this is where I'm supposed to be.

0:25:24.240 --> 0:25:26.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm really happy that this happened the way that it did,

0:25:26.960 --> 0:25:30.120
<v Speaker 1>Like I am gonna go live this amazing life now.

0:25:30.640 --> 0:25:33.880
<v Speaker 1>And it was the second situation with Javier that really

0:25:33.920 --> 0:25:36.159
<v Speaker 1>like broke my heart. I know, it's so funny like

0:25:36.240 --> 0:25:41.359
<v Speaker 1>having so, yeah, we didn't actually meet for the first

0:25:41.400 --> 0:25:45.359
<v Speaker 1>time after I left the house. We reconnected two weeks,

0:25:45.600 --> 0:25:47.960
<v Speaker 1>but granted this was like a month now that I

0:25:47.960 --> 0:25:50.320
<v Speaker 1>had known about, you know, my ex and that I

0:25:50.359 --> 0:25:54.399
<v Speaker 1>was going to get a divorce, but we he popped

0:25:54.480 --> 0:25:56.639
<v Speaker 1>up on my Instagram page, I followed him. He messaged me.

0:25:56.640 --> 0:25:57.720
<v Speaker 1>He was like where have you been for the last

0:25:57.760 --> 0:26:00.720
<v Speaker 1>six years? I was like, whole funny story, And we

0:26:00.840 --> 0:26:03.840
<v Speaker 1>ended up going to like get lunch and go to

0:26:03.880 --> 0:26:08.040
<v Speaker 1>the beach. And but before, like six years earlier, before

0:26:08.080 --> 0:26:10.560
<v Speaker 1>I had met my ex husband, we had casually gone

0:26:10.600 --> 0:26:14.960
<v Speaker 1>out like twice, like went dancing, made out. That was

0:26:14.960 --> 0:26:16.760
<v Speaker 1>the extent of it. He was like the one person

0:26:16.800 --> 0:26:18.600
<v Speaker 1>I had ever been like casual with and then was

0:26:18.640 --> 0:26:22.360
<v Speaker 1>like okaybye and like lost touch, went got married, got divorced,

0:26:23.320 --> 0:26:26.520
<v Speaker 1>And so we went out this first night and it

0:26:26.640 --> 0:26:30.480
<v Speaker 1>was just like an instant thing to the point where

0:26:30.480 --> 0:26:32.400
<v Speaker 1>he was like what are you doing on this date?

0:26:32.440 --> 0:26:34.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to take you to a wedding and like

0:26:34.520 --> 0:26:36.640
<v Speaker 1>you need to meet my mother and I was like okay,

0:26:37.920 --> 0:26:40.080
<v Speaker 1>but like we were it was both of us and

0:26:40.200 --> 0:26:42.480
<v Speaker 1>like his friend's family, like it was like this is

0:26:42.480 --> 0:26:44.199
<v Speaker 1>the girl I'm gonna be with, and everyone was like

0:26:44.240 --> 0:26:47.320
<v Speaker 1>how is this possible? His mom and I clicked like instantly,

0:26:47.880 --> 0:26:50.480
<v Speaker 1>and it was just a month and a half of

0:26:50.600 --> 0:26:56.840
<v Speaker 1>really intense connection before the trip fell apart, and keep

0:26:56.880 --> 0:26:59.879
<v Speaker 1>in mind the whole book, So me finding out about

0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:03.800
<v Speaker 1>the cheating, the divorce, me meeting Javier, us breaking up

0:27:03.920 --> 0:27:06.960
<v Speaker 1>essentially and going to Europe for a month. That all

0:27:07.040 --> 0:27:09.080
<v Speaker 1>happened in like a three and a half month period.

0:27:09.560 --> 0:27:09.879
<v Speaker 7>Wow.

0:27:10.160 --> 0:27:14.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So it was very like really intense and in

0:27:14.280 --> 0:27:17.560
<v Speaker 1>your face there was no breath or break between any

0:27:17.600 --> 0:27:18.360
<v Speaker 1>of these situations.

0:27:18.400 --> 0:27:20.439
<v Speaker 2>So kind of has that been kind of something that

0:27:20.480 --> 0:27:25.040
<v Speaker 2>you've done your whole life, had like very fast moments

0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:28.160
<v Speaker 2>of attraction and love and.

0:27:27.560 --> 0:27:31.680
<v Speaker 1>Not to that extent. I'm a serial monogamous, Like I'm

0:27:31.760 --> 0:27:33.960
<v Speaker 1>not alone a lot. I do go from like one

0:27:34.000 --> 0:27:36.760
<v Speaker 1>relationship to another, never as quick as it happened then,

0:27:36.760 --> 0:27:40.240
<v Speaker 1>and it was never as instant and as intense as

0:27:40.280 --> 0:27:40.600
<v Speaker 1>it was.

0:27:40.720 --> 0:27:44.119
<v Speaker 7>Well that's probably why it was so because you're like, yeah, yeah,

0:27:44.160 --> 0:27:46.840
<v Speaker 7>this is something I've never yelt and done before.

0:27:46.960 --> 0:27:50.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it wasn't. And that the feelings that I

0:27:50.240 --> 0:27:52.439
<v Speaker 1>had with him made me realize that, like, oh I

0:27:52.480 --> 0:27:55.679
<v Speaker 1>was never really in love with my ex husband at all. Wow.

0:27:56.160 --> 0:27:58.800
<v Speaker 1>So it I mean, it taught me a ton about

0:27:58.800 --> 0:28:01.960
<v Speaker 1>myself even before I left on that crazy trip.

0:28:02.240 --> 0:28:05.440
<v Speaker 3>So after Javier, what was it after that? Like, how

0:28:05.440 --> 0:28:08.280
<v Speaker 3>did you get yourself back together? Like what did you?

0:28:08.320 --> 0:28:10.760
<v Speaker 3>Did you fund another relationship? Did you work on yourself?

0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:12.920
<v Speaker 3>Like what helped you so well?

0:28:12.960 --> 0:28:13.760
<v Speaker 2>You left for Italy?

0:28:14.000 --> 0:28:14.200
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

0:28:14.600 --> 0:28:14.760
<v Speaker 5>Was it?

0:28:14.800 --> 0:28:15.560
<v Speaker 2>Did you go to Italy?

0:28:15.720 --> 0:28:18.840
<v Speaker 1>Well? So our original plan was to do all of Italy.

0:28:18.880 --> 0:28:22.040
<v Speaker 1>Our tickets were booked to Rome. So his dad and

0:28:22.119 --> 0:28:24.320
<v Speaker 1>him picked me up from the airport, I mean from sorry,

0:28:24.359 --> 0:28:28.000
<v Speaker 1>from my house. We flew to London together. You didn't, Yeah,

0:28:28.080 --> 0:28:29.840
<v Speaker 1>that was sitting next to each other hanging out. But

0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:32.920
<v Speaker 1>you know what, like honestly, everything was weirdly normal, like

0:28:33.320 --> 0:28:36.720
<v Speaker 1>we've always you weren't nice yet at him, No, that's

0:28:36.760 --> 0:28:38.960
<v Speaker 1>the weird thing we had. We were so connected on

0:28:39.000 --> 0:28:41.239
<v Speaker 1>this like weird soul level that like the only thing

0:28:41.280 --> 0:28:43.960
<v Speaker 1>that changed was that we weren't kissing and holding hands.

0:28:44.280 --> 0:28:46.240
<v Speaker 1>I mean he took the picture of me at the

0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:48.560
<v Speaker 1>airport with my backpack on, where I was like peace out,

0:28:48.600 --> 0:28:50.360
<v Speaker 1>guys and divorced, like this is what's going on in

0:28:50.360 --> 0:28:53.719
<v Speaker 1>my life. By we hung out at the airport for

0:28:53.760 --> 0:28:56.400
<v Speaker 1>like three hours, gone on a plane, flew to London together.

0:28:56.880 --> 0:28:59.200
<v Speaker 1>He then went on to Rome and I started my

0:28:59.280 --> 0:29:01.880
<v Speaker 1>trip in London and like had nothing planned because I

0:29:01.920 --> 0:29:03.760
<v Speaker 1>found out I was going by myself two days.

0:29:03.640 --> 0:29:05.640
<v Speaker 2>Before theres an ounce of you wish that he would

0:29:05.640 --> 0:29:06.640
<v Speaker 2>like changed his mind.

0:29:06.920 --> 0:29:09.840
<v Speaker 1>Well, we thought we had like discussed when we got

0:29:09.880 --> 0:29:12.160
<v Speaker 1>on the plane. We were like, well, you know, our

0:29:12.200 --> 0:29:15.080
<v Speaker 1>flights are booked home together, maybe we'll meet up, depending

0:29:15.120 --> 0:29:17.240
<v Speaker 1>on like how you're feeling and like if my heart

0:29:17.320 --> 0:29:20.680
<v Speaker 1>is not in a million pieces still. So the whole book,

0:29:20.840 --> 0:29:22.800
<v Speaker 1>when I'm on the trip, it's this whole like am

0:29:22.840 --> 0:29:24.320
<v Speaker 1>I going to go sem? Am I not going to go?

0:29:24.320 --> 0:29:28.400
<v Speaker 1>Seem And it's this whole rollercoaster ride of like can't

0:29:28.440 --> 0:29:33.040
<v Speaker 1>close the chapter literally and figuratively. So yeah, it was.

0:29:33.520 --> 0:29:37.080
<v Speaker 1>It was a lot to kind of navigate, but that trip,

0:29:37.480 --> 0:29:40.080
<v Speaker 1>and I wrote the book on the trip, so I

0:29:40.160 --> 0:29:42.120
<v Speaker 1>brought a journal with me. I started at the first

0:29:42.240 --> 0:29:44.720
<v Speaker 1>day in London, and when you open the journal, it

0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:48.160
<v Speaker 1>literally looks almost exactly like how the published book is.

0:29:48.200 --> 0:29:50.320
<v Speaker 1>It's like chapter one. I wasn't like journaling and then

0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:52.000
<v Speaker 1>made it into a book. I knew that that's just

0:29:52.080 --> 0:29:54.760
<v Speaker 1>what it was going to be, so writing about all

0:29:54.800 --> 0:29:57.760
<v Speaker 1>of it on this journey that I was on being alone,

0:29:58.080 --> 0:30:00.840
<v Speaker 1>which was one of my biggest fears my entire life,

0:30:00.920 --> 0:30:03.200
<v Speaker 1>since my dad died was like being okay by myself

0:30:03.240 --> 0:30:05.040
<v Speaker 1>and this was the universe way of being like, Okay,

0:30:05.040 --> 0:30:07.840
<v Speaker 1>well we're going to go face that head on. Yeah,

0:30:07.920 --> 0:30:10.960
<v Speaker 1>so it was really like therapy for me. But No,

0:30:11.160 --> 0:30:13.240
<v Speaker 1>to answer your question, I didn't like jump back into

0:30:13.280 --> 0:30:16.600
<v Speaker 1>another relationship. I was like trying to figure out if

0:30:16.800 --> 0:30:18.920
<v Speaker 1>things were going to change with him or not, and

0:30:19.360 --> 0:30:21.840
<v Speaker 1>knowing in my heart that I kind of like needed

0:30:21.840 --> 0:30:25.640
<v Speaker 1>to be by myself and your just knew myself.

0:30:26.040 --> 0:30:27.360
<v Speaker 3>How old were you during this time?

0:30:27.600 --> 0:30:28.360
<v Speaker 1>I was twenty eight.

0:30:28.960 --> 0:30:32.160
<v Speaker 3>So that's impressive because the whole situation, the way you

0:30:32.240 --> 0:30:35.680
<v Speaker 3>kind of handled it and him seems very adult. It

0:30:35.760 --> 0:30:37.840
<v Speaker 3>really does, Yeah, because I just feel like even in

0:30:38.640 --> 0:30:41.400
<v Speaker 3>my twenties and even late twenties, it was just dramatic

0:30:41.480 --> 0:30:46.600
<v Speaker 3>and you know, big gestures and everything. Yeah, and drama.

0:30:46.840 --> 0:30:49.719
<v Speaker 3>Just the fact that, right and the fact that you

0:30:49.720 --> 0:30:52.080
<v Speaker 3>were able to accept he didn't say because he wanted

0:30:52.080 --> 0:30:53.840
<v Speaker 3>to go with another woman. You know, you knew the

0:30:53.880 --> 0:30:56.160
<v Speaker 3>reasons why, and you guys are still be able to

0:30:56.160 --> 0:30:58.040
<v Speaker 3>be adult about it and you handle the way you

0:30:58.080 --> 0:31:00.840
<v Speaker 3>did and even him. I just I think that's impressive

0:31:01.160 --> 0:31:01.800
<v Speaker 3>for your age.

0:31:02.960 --> 0:31:07.160
<v Speaker 1>I'd be like, come with me, And that's like normally, I,

0:31:07.200 --> 0:31:13.760
<v Speaker 1>even my younger self, was very manipulative with men, not

0:31:13.840 --> 0:31:15.920
<v Speaker 1>in like a scary way, like you know, if I

0:31:16.000 --> 0:31:18.080
<v Speaker 1>wanted to get something like I'd be able to figure

0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:21.239
<v Speaker 1>it out. And there wasn't ever a thought of like, well,

0:31:21.280 --> 0:31:22.960
<v Speaker 1>maybe there's a way I can change his mind. I

0:31:23.000 --> 0:31:25.920
<v Speaker 1>was like, no, this is like my journey that I'm

0:31:25.960 --> 0:31:28.960
<v Speaker 1>supposed to be on. So if it wasn't for him

0:31:29.000 --> 0:31:31.400
<v Speaker 1>making that decision, like I wouldn't have had this like

0:31:31.520 --> 0:31:34.040
<v Speaker 1>life changing month long trip. I never in a million

0:31:34.120 --> 0:31:35.520
<v Speaker 1>years would have been like let me go to Europe

0:31:35.520 --> 0:31:38.960
<v Speaker 1>by myself. It was such an out of my comfort

0:31:39.040 --> 0:31:42.880
<v Speaker 1>zone experience, like with a backpack, like not even luggage.

0:31:42.920 --> 0:31:46.240
<v Speaker 1>It was very completely new for me, and I learned

0:31:46.240 --> 0:31:48.040
<v Speaker 1>more about myself on that trip than I had.

0:31:48.760 --> 0:31:50.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what was the one thing that you were shocked

0:31:50.640 --> 0:31:51.480
<v Speaker 2>to learn about yourself?

0:31:51.920 --> 0:31:56.040
<v Speaker 1>Then I'm never really alone and I'm always okay because

0:31:56.160 --> 0:31:58.640
<v Speaker 1>no matter who in my life may abandon me, I'll

0:31:58.680 --> 0:32:02.320
<v Speaker 1>never abandon myself. And that was huge to like start

0:32:02.360 --> 0:32:04.280
<v Speaker 1>those abandonment wounds to heal.

0:32:04.400 --> 0:32:05.960
<v Speaker 7>It's like crazy because a lot of people have to

0:32:06.000 --> 0:32:07.840
<v Speaker 7>do a lot of therapy and a lot of rehabit

0:32:07.960 --> 0:32:09.680
<v Speaker 7>to like get where you are. And I feel like

0:32:09.880 --> 0:32:11.480
<v Speaker 7>that's like amazing that you could just go on a

0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:12.920
<v Speaker 7>trip and really find that in yourself.

0:32:12.960 --> 0:32:14.600
<v Speaker 1>Like yeah, I mean, and don't get me wrong, like

0:32:14.680 --> 0:32:17.480
<v Speaker 1>I've been in and out of therapy my whole life.

0:32:17.520 --> 0:32:19.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm like an advocate of it. I think everybody should go,

0:32:19.680 --> 0:32:21.880
<v Speaker 1>even if nothing's wrong, like go talk about some stuff.

0:32:23.200 --> 0:32:26.280
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it really I knew that I was going

0:32:26.320 --> 0:32:29.040
<v Speaker 1>to like do some serious work on myself, and and

0:32:29.120 --> 0:32:33.080
<v Speaker 1>through writing the book, it really like brought so much

0:32:33.160 --> 0:32:35.520
<v Speaker 1>out that I was surprised about that I could then

0:32:35.560 --> 0:32:37.600
<v Speaker 1>look at and go back and heal on my own,

0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:39.160
<v Speaker 1>which was huge for me.

0:32:39.960 --> 0:32:44.320
<v Speaker 2>Wow. So the relationship, now, what's different because you guys

0:32:44.360 --> 0:32:46.680
<v Speaker 2>with vier no no, no, with your man.

0:32:46.560 --> 0:32:53.880
<v Speaker 1>Now, oh oh right right, I know I was gonna

0:32:54.520 --> 0:32:59.720
<v Speaker 1>the very handsome man that you. So we have had

0:32:59.800 --> 0:33:06.080
<v Speaker 1>an interesting courtships. Yeah, because we I'm showing the picture. Okay,

0:33:07.480 --> 0:33:11.040
<v Speaker 1>we actually met ten years ago. He played my older

0:33:11.080 --> 0:33:14.640
<v Speaker 1>brother in a film Love and but have always been

0:33:14.720 --> 0:33:17.200
<v Speaker 1>kind of just like friends on social media and whatever

0:33:17.600 --> 0:33:20.640
<v Speaker 1>and kind of like Javier, Yeah, you know, interesting, that's

0:33:20.640 --> 0:33:24.720
<v Speaker 1>how they that's how they come back and he saw

0:33:24.760 --> 0:33:26.680
<v Speaker 1>the picture I posted the day I left for Europe

0:33:26.680 --> 0:33:29.080
<v Speaker 1>of me with my backpack like explaining this whole cheating

0:33:29.080 --> 0:33:31.680
<v Speaker 1>and divorce situation and like kind of airing all my

0:33:31.920 --> 0:33:34.320
<v Speaker 1>stuff out, and he messaged me and was like, oh

0:33:34.320 --> 0:33:37.000
<v Speaker 1>my god, I'm so sorry, like I'm I can't believe

0:33:37.040 --> 0:33:38.760
<v Speaker 1>what I'm reading, blah blah blah, like when you get back,

0:33:38.800 --> 0:33:40.800
<v Speaker 1>please let me know, like I'd love to take you

0:33:40.840 --> 0:33:43.800
<v Speaker 1>to lunch. Not at all, you know, like that. He

0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:48.600
<v Speaker 1>we had always like this very brother sister feel to us,

0:33:49.080 --> 0:33:51.560
<v Speaker 1>and we ended up like running into each other, not

0:33:51.680 --> 0:33:54.680
<v Speaker 1>even I know he's a good looking dude, not even

0:33:54.720 --> 0:33:56.600
<v Speaker 1>like planning it, running into each other when we when

0:33:56.600 --> 0:33:59.640
<v Speaker 1>I came home and I was like, yo, I'm not

0:33:59.680 --> 0:34:03.000
<v Speaker 1>ready for a relationship, like don't even like a big

0:34:03.040 --> 0:34:05.640
<v Speaker 1>wall like and he was like he was like, okay,

0:34:05.680 --> 0:34:08.839
<v Speaker 1>that's cool, I'll wait. And ended out he was the

0:34:08.880 --> 0:34:11.120
<v Speaker 1>first person to read the book, like before my mom,

0:34:12.239 --> 0:34:16.799
<v Speaker 1>and so I remember, you know, two months in of

0:34:16.880 --> 0:34:20.759
<v Speaker 1>us kind of like hanging out but like not really yeah,

0:34:21.120 --> 0:34:23.360
<v Speaker 1>and he was like, I've never had a roadmap of

0:34:23.400 --> 0:34:26.560
<v Speaker 1>the girl I'm trying to court, and I'm literally reading

0:34:26.719 --> 0:34:28.880
<v Speaker 1>all of this stuff about and he was just like,

0:34:28.960 --> 0:34:31.359
<v Speaker 1>first of all, I want to murder the two men,

0:34:31.480 --> 0:34:36.640
<v Speaker 1>and he's just he's a really great guy and sees

0:34:36.719 --> 0:34:38.840
<v Speaker 1>me for me. I've never been able to be more

0:34:39.360 --> 0:34:44.120
<v Speaker 1>myself with someone and and he's okay with like me

0:34:44.239 --> 0:34:46.640
<v Speaker 1>taking it day by day, like not having to have

0:34:46.719 --> 0:34:50.880
<v Speaker 1>like a end game goal and just kind of like

0:34:50.960 --> 0:34:53.400
<v Speaker 1>being together and being in the moment. But he's definitely

0:34:53.440 --> 0:34:57.120
<v Speaker 1>like one of my sole people. And I feel that

0:34:57.120 --> 0:34:59.280
<v Speaker 1>way about Javier too. I think I don't really believe

0:34:59.280 --> 0:35:02.120
<v Speaker 1>in soul mates as in like lovers and my husband,

0:35:02.160 --> 0:35:05.640
<v Speaker 1>but but I believe in like soul people that come

0:35:05.680 --> 0:35:09.160
<v Speaker 1>into your lives to, you know, drastically either teach you

0:35:09.200 --> 0:35:12.520
<v Speaker 1>something or change or like be a catalyst for something

0:35:12.520 --> 0:35:15.719
<v Speaker 1>that you're supposed to learn. And both of them, Javier

0:35:16.320 --> 0:35:18.360
<v Speaker 1>and my current guy, I love that.

0:35:18.560 --> 0:35:24.600
<v Speaker 8>No, you're mate, yea one and only, but both of them,

0:35:24.719 --> 0:35:29.000
<v Speaker 8>Javier and my my current guy, I met years before.

0:35:29.560 --> 0:35:31.759
<v Speaker 1>So Javier and I had met six years before, and

0:35:32.880 --> 0:35:36.160
<v Speaker 1>my current relationship and I had met ten years before.

0:35:36.640 --> 0:35:39.120
<v Speaker 1>So and I that's a testament to me to like

0:35:39.160 --> 0:35:41.040
<v Speaker 1>soul people. It's like they come in and it's like no,

0:35:41.120 --> 0:35:43.319
<v Speaker 1>this isn't the right time, and they come back so

0:35:43.440 --> 0:35:47.320
<v Speaker 1>much later and it's really you know, to to affect you.

0:35:47.360 --> 0:35:48.839
<v Speaker 1>And I feel like there's you know, not to get

0:35:48.880 --> 0:35:51.920
<v Speaker 1>into the whole past lives thing, but I truly feel

0:35:52.040 --> 0:35:53.879
<v Speaker 1>with certain people that I meet that like I've been

0:35:53.960 --> 0:35:57.400
<v Speaker 1>with them in other places. Are your mothers are so

0:35:57.760 --> 0:36:00.879
<v Speaker 1>like ridiculously she read She actually when she read the book,

0:36:01.120 --> 0:36:04.200
<v Speaker 1>she called me and was like in tears and she

0:36:04.320 --> 0:36:07.160
<v Speaker 1>was like I was talking to a bunch of my

0:36:07.200 --> 0:36:11.280
<v Speaker 1>clients about like self love and how to explain it clearly,

0:36:11.320 --> 0:36:13.600
<v Speaker 1>and she's like, it's such a hard concept to really explain.

0:36:13.880 --> 0:36:15.840
<v Speaker 1>And then I finished the couple of last pages of

0:36:15.880 --> 0:36:17.760
<v Speaker 1>your book and it was right there in my daughter's

0:36:17.760 --> 0:36:21.000
<v Speaker 1>work and I was like, oh, I'm like, see I

0:36:21.040 --> 0:36:24.320
<v Speaker 1>actually learned something from you. It's a very like proud

0:36:24.360 --> 0:36:24.960
<v Speaker 1>moment for her.

0:36:25.000 --> 0:36:26.480
<v Speaker 2>So it was cool, so sweet.

0:36:26.600 --> 0:36:26.839
<v Speaker 4>Wow.

0:36:27.000 --> 0:36:29.040
<v Speaker 2>So they made it Eat Prey Love into movies. I

0:36:29.040 --> 0:36:31.239
<v Speaker 2>don't say why they can't make Eat Prey Hashi Fmo

0:36:31.320 --> 0:36:34.319
<v Speaker 2>into movies. You know, it would be really funny, but

0:36:34.440 --> 0:36:37.760
<v Speaker 2>also like again like healing and yeah, and it's.

0:36:38.080 --> 0:36:42.799
<v Speaker 1>It's written kind of like a Netflix series. We're kind

0:36:42.880 --> 0:36:46.520
<v Speaker 1>of like it's been in discussion that we're thinking of

0:36:46.520 --> 0:36:50.239
<v Speaker 1>like a ten episode type thing because it's written as

0:36:50.280 --> 0:36:52.920
<v Speaker 1>a as a show kind of like you feel like

0:36:52.960 --> 0:36:55.879
<v Speaker 1>you're reading something you should be watching. That's just kind

0:36:55.880 --> 0:36:58.600
<v Speaker 1>of how I write. So yeah, and.

0:36:58.560 --> 0:37:01.560
<v Speaker 2>That's what you're doing, your writer. You're an actress. Yeah,

0:37:01.600 --> 0:37:04.200
<v Speaker 2>you're kind of like doing everything. We're in all the hats.

0:37:04.400 --> 0:37:06.279
<v Speaker 2>What what like? What do you want if you can

0:37:06.320 --> 0:37:08.080
<v Speaker 2>do just like the one thing you just want to

0:37:08.120 --> 0:37:09.960
<v Speaker 2>act in your own thing that you write or.

0:37:10.239 --> 0:37:13.799
<v Speaker 1>No, I really I've directed two projects now and I

0:37:13.840 --> 0:37:18.439
<v Speaker 1>really love that it. I love having some control over

0:37:18.480 --> 0:37:21.200
<v Speaker 1>what the finishing product is going to end up to

0:37:21.320 --> 0:37:23.239
<v Speaker 1>because you know, as an actress, you're like, great, I'm

0:37:23.239 --> 0:37:24.480
<v Speaker 1>going to show up and do my work, but like

0:37:24.520 --> 0:37:26.000
<v Speaker 1>God only knows what this is going to look.

0:37:25.840 --> 0:37:27.719
<v Speaker 2>Like or why did they use that scene? Oh because

0:37:27.719 --> 0:37:29.640
<v Speaker 2>they needed like this thing to look like the acting

0:37:29.680 --> 0:37:30.080
<v Speaker 2>isn't there?

0:37:30.200 --> 0:37:32.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah whatever. Yeah, So directing it's really nice because you

0:37:32.920 --> 0:37:36.080
<v Speaker 1>can like have some control over the product you're making.

0:37:36.440 --> 0:37:38.840
<v Speaker 1>So I would love if this went to series to

0:37:39.000 --> 0:37:45.960
<v Speaker 1>not play myself in it. I would love to direct it.

0:37:46.080 --> 0:37:50.440
<v Speaker 2>Hello, Yeah, Mike can be my Javier and stop.

0:37:50.880 --> 0:37:54.359
<v Speaker 3>Oh God, don't make me the first guy.

0:37:54.760 --> 0:38:04.080
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I mean, okay.

0:38:03.440 --> 0:38:04.239
<v Speaker 1>Such a long way.

0:38:04.320 --> 0:38:07.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, come on, No, I don't want to like

0:38:07.680 --> 0:38:09.440
<v Speaker 2>go like somber because it's this has like been awesome.

0:38:09.440 --> 0:38:10.839
<v Speaker 2>But with your dad, I mean, how have you been

0:38:10.880 --> 0:38:11.279
<v Speaker 2>able to?

0:38:11.880 --> 0:38:12.120
<v Speaker 7>You know?

0:38:13.600 --> 0:38:16.880
<v Speaker 2>I think because girls it's hard. I've I had daddy

0:38:16.920 --> 0:38:18.759
<v Speaker 2>issues for a long time. He didn't die, but I

0:38:18.760 --> 0:38:20.839
<v Speaker 2>felt like he kind of abandoned me, But with yours,

0:38:20.880 --> 0:38:23.680
<v Speaker 2>it's like he'd passed. So it's how did you because

0:38:23.719 --> 0:38:25.799
<v Speaker 2>you never you're not able to talk to him or

0:38:25.920 --> 0:38:26.440
<v Speaker 2>you can.

0:38:26.360 --> 0:38:29.920
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, but not in the Yeah, there's no way

0:38:29.960 --> 0:38:33.080
<v Speaker 1>to like get closure necessarily from him directly.

0:38:32.960 --> 0:38:34.839
<v Speaker 2>Or to have like some like that father figure there.

0:38:34.840 --> 0:38:36.279
<v Speaker 2>So do you feel like you were always trying to

0:38:36.320 --> 0:38:36.960
<v Speaker 2>like search for that?

0:38:38.000 --> 0:38:41.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean that's why I've always had men in my life,

0:38:41.320 --> 0:38:43.840
<v Speaker 1>because I was trying to fill that hole that was

0:38:43.920 --> 0:38:47.680
<v Speaker 1>left when he died. And it was even not even

0:38:48.040 --> 0:38:50.800
<v Speaker 1>just in relationships, like I never wanted to be alone,

0:38:50.840 --> 0:38:52.520
<v Speaker 1>Like even if it was like a roommate or my

0:38:52.600 --> 0:38:55.360
<v Speaker 1>mom or my friends, it was me not being okay

0:38:55.400 --> 0:38:57.799
<v Speaker 1>with myself. And it wasn't until I realized that I

0:38:57.840 --> 0:39:01.080
<v Speaker 1>needed to go fix that for I could be in

0:39:01.080 --> 0:39:05.680
<v Speaker 1>a space with someone else in a relationship. So I think,

0:39:07.160 --> 0:39:09.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, there's no like said answer as far as

0:39:09.719 --> 0:39:13.440
<v Speaker 1>grief goes. It happened when I was seven. My dad

0:39:13.520 --> 0:39:15.600
<v Speaker 1>remember it, I do. I remember it vividly. I write

0:39:15.640 --> 0:39:17.600
<v Speaker 1>about it in the beginning of the book how I

0:39:17.640 --> 0:39:19.359
<v Speaker 1>was the one that found him. My mom was like

0:39:19.560 --> 0:39:21.759
<v Speaker 1>off shooting in New Zealand and had to fly home.

0:39:21.840 --> 0:39:25.880
<v Speaker 1>It was like really traumatic for a child. So I

0:39:25.920 --> 0:39:28.160
<v Speaker 1>do remember it, but I'm kind of thankful in the

0:39:28.200 --> 0:39:31.160
<v Speaker 1>way that it didn't happen when I was old enough

0:39:31.200 --> 0:39:34.239
<v Speaker 1>to have like serious emotions around it. Like if that

0:39:34.239 --> 0:39:36.200
<v Speaker 1>would have happened when I was a teenager, like my

0:39:36.280 --> 0:39:39.279
<v Speaker 1>mom lost her father when she was sixteen, I don't know,

0:39:40.239 --> 0:39:41.840
<v Speaker 1>like that would have been harder for me to handle.

0:39:41.880 --> 0:39:45.800
<v Speaker 1>I think so while it did implement certain abandonment issues

0:39:45.840 --> 0:39:50.680
<v Speaker 1>in my life, it it wasn't the hardest emotional thing

0:39:51.120 --> 0:39:53.560
<v Speaker 1>to get to get over. I mean, obviously it's it's

0:39:53.640 --> 0:39:56.880
<v Speaker 1>sad and I feel it and I cry, and I

0:39:57.120 --> 0:40:01.879
<v Speaker 1>had years time really does heal a lot, But yeah,

0:40:01.920 --> 0:40:06.840
<v Speaker 1>I think it's it's about finding what those wounds trigger

0:40:07.239 --> 0:40:10.759
<v Speaker 1>in yourself, Like as an adult and being able to

0:40:10.840 --> 0:40:12.920
<v Speaker 1>kind of like peel the layers back and see what's

0:40:12.960 --> 0:40:15.319
<v Speaker 1>at the root of it and then start working on

0:40:15.360 --> 0:40:15.719
<v Speaker 1>that part.

0:40:17.200 --> 0:40:21.759
<v Speaker 2>So where can our listeners Instagram all of it, eat prey,

0:40:21.800 --> 0:40:22.640
<v Speaker 2>hashtag FML.

0:40:22.840 --> 0:40:23.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:40:23.120 --> 0:40:25.839
<v Speaker 2>I Amazon primed it, so yeah. So it's on Prime.

0:40:25.880 --> 0:40:28.719
<v Speaker 1>It's exclusively on Amazon. It's in paperback and ebook. I

0:40:28.719 --> 0:40:30.239
<v Speaker 1>don't know if I'm allowed to say this yet, but

0:40:30.400 --> 0:40:33.160
<v Speaker 1>oh well, I just signed an audio book deal for it.

0:40:33.560 --> 0:40:34.279
<v Speaker 2>I love that.

0:40:34.960 --> 0:40:36.600
<v Speaker 7>So is it you reading it? Like, oh, that's so

0:40:36.719 --> 0:40:38.920
<v Speaker 7>cool when people do, that's so cool. And you can

0:40:38.960 --> 0:40:40.280
<v Speaker 7>download audible.

0:40:40.040 --> 0:40:42.000
<v Speaker 1>To hear that degree. Yeah that that won't be out

0:40:42.120 --> 0:40:45.160
<v Speaker 1>till like later later this year. But yeah, it's on

0:40:45.480 --> 0:40:49.680
<v Speaker 1>Amazon for paperback and ebook. And I'm at Gabrielle Stone

0:40:49.680 --> 0:40:51.960
<v Speaker 1>the books at eat pre FML and whenever people read

0:40:52.040 --> 0:40:55.120
<v Speaker 1>and send me messages and stuff, I love to repost it.

0:40:55.200 --> 0:40:57.520
<v Speaker 1>I love hearing all the feedback from people. It's been

0:40:57.560 --> 0:41:02.240
<v Speaker 1>really really rewarding to hear how it's starting to resonate with.

0:41:02.320 --> 0:41:05.000
<v Speaker 7>Oh, I'm I feel like that's everything that you're writing

0:41:05.000 --> 0:41:07.520
<v Speaker 7>about is so relatable. Like that's what's crazy is that,

0:41:07.600 --> 0:41:10.120
<v Speaker 7>whether people know it or not, it's like like you

0:41:10.160 --> 0:41:10.840
<v Speaker 7>said a life.

0:41:10.719 --> 0:41:13.040
<v Speaker 2>We all have to find ourselves. Yeah, anyday, whether you've

0:41:13.080 --> 0:41:15.480
<v Speaker 2>been in a bad relationship or whatever you're going through,

0:41:15.480 --> 0:41:17.720
<v Speaker 2>it's all about finding yourself, yeah, in the journey.

0:41:17.800 --> 0:41:20.200
<v Speaker 1>So and it's it's not just like a self help

0:41:20.280 --> 0:41:23.680
<v Speaker 1>book either. It's like fun and you'll laugh and maybe

0:41:23.800 --> 0:41:25.000
<v Speaker 1>cry and get.

0:41:24.880 --> 0:41:27.279
<v Speaker 2>A lot of favorite place in Italy you went, last question?

0:41:27.360 --> 0:41:30.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh god, Well I went everywhere. I didn't just do Italy,

0:41:30.600 --> 0:41:32.759
<v Speaker 1>which was the one silver lining of not going with

0:41:32.800 --> 0:41:34.920
<v Speaker 1>Pavier was I got to see a lot more. My

0:41:35.000 --> 0:41:39.520
<v Speaker 1>favorite place that was probably Barcelona. Yeah, I met some

0:41:39.600 --> 0:41:42.920
<v Speaker 1>incredible people there, but it like my heart, like really

0:41:42.960 --> 0:41:48.400
<v Speaker 1>felt at home there. And I loved Amsterdam too. I

0:41:48.400 --> 0:41:50.840
<v Speaker 1>think it gets a bad rap because everyone's like, oh,

0:41:50.880 --> 0:41:56.440
<v Speaker 1>you can go joint and it's the canals and why

0:41:56.520 --> 0:42:00.320
<v Speaker 1>go across the world. No, it's beautiful, architects, amazing, amazing

0:42:00.480 --> 0:42:02.480
<v Speaker 1>and the people that are so so sweet.

0:42:02.680 --> 0:42:06.040
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, well thanks for coming on the show. We're

0:42:06.080 --> 0:42:19.960
<v Speaker 2>doing dinner tonight right, Yes, wait, Okay, isn't she so sweet?

0:42:20.120 --> 0:42:21.880
<v Speaker 3>She's a chip off the old block. Even from the

0:42:21.960 --> 0:42:25.080
<v Speaker 3>small small interactions I had with her mom d on

0:42:25.200 --> 0:42:27.759
<v Speaker 3>the movie set, She's definitely chip off the old block.

0:42:28.000 --> 0:42:29.239
<v Speaker 3>But she was fantastic.

0:42:29.360 --> 0:42:33.560
<v Speaker 2>I knew she was a scorpion. I knew it.

0:42:34.680 --> 0:42:35.239
<v Speaker 1>I just knew.

0:42:35.239 --> 0:42:37.040
<v Speaker 7>I could just tell by like the way she was

0:42:37.080 --> 0:42:39.200
<v Speaker 7>talking about like her relationships and her and her I

0:42:39.239 --> 0:42:39.560
<v Speaker 7>just knew.

0:42:39.600 --> 0:42:40.080
<v Speaker 1>I just knew.

0:42:40.840 --> 0:42:41.080
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:42:41.120 --> 0:42:42.799
<v Speaker 2>I love to have just quizzed you on that, since

0:42:42.840 --> 0:42:44.160
<v Speaker 2>you think you're the Google I love.

0:42:44.320 --> 0:42:48.239
<v Speaker 3>On the topic of I'm all about I've been very

0:42:48.280 --> 0:42:51.600
<v Speaker 3>interested in like trips to find yourself same.

0:42:51.480 --> 0:42:56.759
<v Speaker 2>Z's and I don't I'm jealous of why are you less?

0:42:56.880 --> 0:42:57.040
<v Speaker 5>Wait?

0:42:57.120 --> 0:43:00.319
<v Speaker 2>But like by yourself or together by yourself? I know,

0:43:00.360 --> 0:43:02.680
<v Speaker 2>don't you feel like sometimes kind of just miss the boat.

0:43:02.520 --> 0:43:05.440
<v Speaker 3>Because I might go to Kilimanjaro, do killman Jaro next

0:43:05.480 --> 0:43:06.360
<v Speaker 3>summer alone?

0:43:06.560 --> 0:43:07.160
<v Speaker 7>What? Not?

0:43:07.320 --> 0:43:08.000
<v Speaker 3>By myself?

0:43:08.120 --> 0:43:10.360
<v Speaker 2>Hello? Oh, I'm sorry? Is this the first world? Okay,

0:43:10.360 --> 0:43:12.759
<v Speaker 2>you've never said anything to me about this is literally.

0:43:12.440 --> 0:43:14.080
<v Speaker 3>Just the other day. You haven't talked about it yet.

0:43:14.160 --> 0:43:16.759
<v Speaker 3>But the topic about the trip I said, I'm thinking

0:43:16.760 --> 0:43:17.680
<v Speaker 3>about it just came up.

0:43:17.719 --> 0:43:22.880
<v Speaker 2>Where's Kilimanjaro? What Sarah?

0:43:22.960 --> 0:43:23.239
<v Speaker 1>Do you know?

0:43:23.760 --> 0:43:24.000
<v Speaker 7>Wait?

0:43:24.160 --> 0:43:24.560
<v Speaker 1>Time out?

0:43:24.600 --> 0:43:26.480
<v Speaker 2>Sarah is made in Africa.

0:43:27.360 --> 0:43:29.440
<v Speaker 4>I think it's Yeah, I've confirmed it's in Africa.

0:43:29.520 --> 0:43:31.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I have a friend who did well.

0:43:31.800 --> 0:43:33.320
<v Speaker 3>But either way you can have to get some shots.

0:43:33.520 --> 0:43:37.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh yeah, and you have to do like training. Wait,

0:43:37.239 --> 0:43:40.000
<v Speaker 2>what is Kilimanjaro? Isn't it like as a mountain? A mountain?

0:43:40.320 --> 0:43:43.840
<v Speaker 2>It's not like Everest, but it's like that, like I had. Okay,

0:43:43.920 --> 0:43:47.040
<v Speaker 2>it starts with kill kill Himanjaya kill Vianjaro.

0:43:47.320 --> 0:43:48.120
<v Speaker 1>No, I have a girlfriend.

0:43:48.160 --> 0:43:49.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty sure who did it. And they had to

0:43:49.480 --> 0:43:51.560
<v Speaker 2>do like training, like hiking, breathing.

0:43:51.239 --> 0:43:53.160
<v Speaker 3>All that you be in shape.

0:43:53.320 --> 0:43:55.000
<v Speaker 7>No, no, but I swear I think she had to

0:43:55.000 --> 0:43:57.120
<v Speaker 7>do like special whatever, wap time out?

0:43:57.200 --> 0:43:57.439
<v Speaker 2>When?

0:43:57.560 --> 0:43:57.960
<v Speaker 5>Where? What?

0:43:58.440 --> 0:43:58.640
<v Speaker 1>How?

0:43:59.239 --> 0:43:59.319
<v Speaker 5>What?

0:44:01.719 --> 0:44:02.360
<v Speaker 1>Bucket list?

0:44:02.600 --> 0:44:07.640
<v Speaker 3>Like bringing it up on here? Defense? Do you witnesses

0:44:08.880 --> 0:44:09.279
<v Speaker 3>of what?

0:44:09.400 --> 0:44:12.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm just curious, like who's the conversation with Jason? Jason?

0:44:12.560 --> 0:44:15.640
<v Speaker 3>Who Jason? My best friend? Jason?

0:44:16.640 --> 0:44:20.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh that Jason. I don't know if his.

0:44:20.280 --> 0:44:25.440
<v Speaker 3>Brother, his bud, his other buddy Callum from what.

0:44:26.880 --> 0:44:32.040
<v Speaker 4>You fly to Tanzania and climb on kill was the

0:44:32.080 --> 0:44:33.680
<v Speaker 4>tallest mountain in Africa?

0:44:33.960 --> 0:44:36.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And you know what's the thing. It's one of

0:44:36.920 --> 0:44:37.799
<v Speaker 3>these things where you.

0:44:37.800 --> 0:44:39.520
<v Speaker 2>Tell me you're already gonna go. This is Mike. He's

0:44:39.520 --> 0:44:41.920
<v Speaker 2>already He already tells people he goes and then I'm like, okay,

0:44:41.920 --> 0:44:44.120
<v Speaker 2>show me. Let me say I would love to, like,

0:44:44.360 --> 0:44:44.759
<v Speaker 2>let's do it.

0:44:44.800 --> 0:44:46.640
<v Speaker 3>Let's yeah. I'm like, I'm all about it. I would

0:44:46.680 --> 0:44:49.400
<v Speaker 3>love to. Let's get some more information. So then I

0:44:49.440 --> 0:44:51.399
<v Speaker 3>get information, then I bring it to you. I don't

0:44:51.400 --> 0:44:53.040
<v Speaker 3>want to be like, hey, I want to hike kill

0:44:53.320 --> 0:44:55.960
<v Speaker 3>Jar one day and you'll be like, Okay, he just

0:44:56.000 --> 0:45:01.440
<v Speaker 3>did that exactly today.

0:45:01.560 --> 0:45:04.319
<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm doing life trips, you know.

0:45:04.719 --> 0:45:06.920
<v Speaker 3>I saw this thing. It was uh I think it

0:45:06.960 --> 0:45:11.720
<v Speaker 3>was the NFL Awards Honors last year and Chris Long,

0:45:12.280 --> 0:45:14.319
<v Speaker 3>who's with the Egos and I think he's retired now,

0:45:14.640 --> 0:45:17.120
<v Speaker 3>he does this. He did a mission like every year

0:45:17.200 --> 0:45:19.520
<v Speaker 3>to Mount Kilim Majarro with a bunch of NFL guys

0:45:20.120 --> 0:45:21.839
<v Speaker 3>that would go and hike it, and just the whole

0:45:21.920 --> 0:45:25.120
<v Speaker 3>video like behind it and just what these guys experienced

0:45:25.120 --> 0:45:27.160
<v Speaker 3>like when they did it and got to the top

0:45:27.200 --> 0:45:29.200
<v Speaker 3>and took the picture. It was just something like ever since,

0:45:29.200 --> 0:45:31.640
<v Speaker 3>like last summer when the NFL Awards on A show

0:45:31.719 --> 0:45:33.319
<v Speaker 3>was on, I was like, man, that would be really cool.

0:45:33.360 --> 0:45:36.239
<v Speaker 3>In the fact that Jason just texted me like a

0:45:36.280 --> 0:45:39.120
<v Speaker 3>few days ago about it, it just kind of retriggered

0:45:39.160 --> 0:45:41.439
<v Speaker 3>that mindset. I was like, man, that'd just be something

0:45:41.480 --> 0:45:44.920
<v Speaker 3>I've never done anything for myself like that. It'd just

0:45:44.920 --> 0:45:46.120
<v Speaker 3>be something I'd want to talk about.

0:45:47.680 --> 0:45:49.280
<v Speaker 2>Would you do it by yourself?

0:45:49.719 --> 0:45:50.680
<v Speaker 3>What do you mean by myself?

0:45:50.719 --> 0:45:52.560
<v Speaker 2>Would you go by yourself? I think they have like

0:45:52.600 --> 0:45:55.239
<v Speaker 2>guides and stuff. No, no, no, no, I'm saying, like, is

0:45:55.280 --> 0:45:57.840
<v Speaker 2>it would you go on that trip solo? Are you

0:45:57.880 --> 0:46:01.239
<v Speaker 2>going to Tanzania purely by myself? Yeah? Like, because like

0:46:01.320 --> 0:46:03.799
<v Speaker 2>would she Gabrielle did, like she went to a you know,

0:46:04.000 --> 0:46:06.359
<v Speaker 2>foreign country by herself, because that a lot of people

0:46:06.400 --> 0:46:10.240
<v Speaker 2>say that to really soul seek solo is solo because that's.

0:46:10.200 --> 0:46:13.040
<v Speaker 7>Your your alone in your thoughts. You're alone in you know,

0:46:13.120 --> 0:46:15.400
<v Speaker 7>in those moments, you're alone in the darkness, you're alone

0:46:15.440 --> 0:46:16.240
<v Speaker 7>in all those things.

0:46:16.280 --> 0:46:21.120
<v Speaker 3>Two things, first thing is traveling around by yourself is

0:46:21.160 --> 0:46:27.320
<v Speaker 3>one thing. Hiking, but doing hiking and doing something like that,

0:46:27.880 --> 0:46:30.480
<v Speaker 3>you need you're still with the you need a base camp,

0:46:30.600 --> 0:46:33.360
<v Speaker 3>you need like you have a guide, you have people

0:46:33.400 --> 0:46:36.120
<v Speaker 3>around you, like, and you're still you're not talking the

0:46:36.160 --> 0:46:38.600
<v Speaker 3>whole time you're walking up because you're sitting there. You

0:46:38.600 --> 0:46:39.040
<v Speaker 3>don't want to.

0:46:39.000 --> 0:46:42.000
<v Speaker 2>Exist and that I'm just like asking, like, no, I'm.

0:46:41.880 --> 0:46:44.960
<v Speaker 3>Just explaining why I would not just go by myself,

0:46:45.120 --> 0:46:48.480
<v Speaker 3>because it's still hiking, physical activity that could be dangerous

0:46:48.520 --> 0:46:51.320
<v Speaker 3>that I would want people I trust around me, you

0:46:51.360 --> 0:46:52.600
<v Speaker 3>know what I mean. I don't want to be like, hey,

0:46:52.640 --> 0:46:55.120
<v Speaker 3>me and this tour guide who I don't know, maybe

0:46:55.120 --> 0:46:57.080
<v Speaker 3>barely speaks English, but if something happens to.

0:46:57.040 --> 0:46:59.160
<v Speaker 2>Me for sure, Yeah, I just because when you say

0:46:59.200 --> 0:47:02.239
<v Speaker 2>like going on and a soul search thing to me,

0:47:02.520 --> 0:47:07.120
<v Speaker 2>like from like, I think people have those aha moments

0:47:07.120 --> 0:47:10.520
<v Speaker 2>and those things like when they're doing things by themselves.

0:47:10.200 --> 0:47:12.399
<v Speaker 3>For sure, but I think it's also for me. It's

0:47:12.400 --> 0:47:14.520
<v Speaker 3>not even necessarily soul searching because I know who I

0:47:14.520 --> 0:47:17.319
<v Speaker 3>am nowadays, but it's more of a soul It's more

0:47:17.360 --> 0:47:19.719
<v Speaker 3>of a soul cleansing. It's like just something just to

0:47:19.840 --> 0:47:23.319
<v Speaker 3>like bring you back to neutral, to appreciate the things

0:47:23.360 --> 0:47:26.080
<v Speaker 3>around you, reset your system, to get out of all

0:47:26.160 --> 0:47:28.600
<v Speaker 3>the la and travel and everything that we do. And

0:47:28.640 --> 0:47:31.120
<v Speaker 3>it's just it is because it's still just me and

0:47:31.160 --> 0:47:36.600
<v Speaker 3>my thoughts hiking up this mountain accomplishing something for sure

0:47:37.360 --> 0:47:38.160
<v Speaker 3>sounds hard.

0:47:38.719 --> 0:47:38.919
<v Speaker 1>See.

0:47:38.920 --> 0:47:43.319
<v Speaker 2>I would always love to do a trip. I just

0:47:43.400 --> 0:47:45.680
<v Speaker 2>don't think I couldn't be alone. I couldn't do it,

0:47:45.760 --> 0:47:49.359
<v Speaker 2>I know, but I think I would thrive. I think

0:47:49.400 --> 0:47:51.520
<v Speaker 2>i'd I've had a version of myself if I went solo.

0:47:51.600 --> 0:47:53.719
<v Speaker 2>I agree, I couldn't. I could. I would come back

0:47:53.760 --> 0:47:57.160
<v Speaker 2>and being like I am the independent, I'm the I

0:47:57.280 --> 0:47:59.920
<v Speaker 2>freaking did it. Because you're feel so proud of your

0:48:00.000 --> 0:48:02.600
<v Speaker 2>I would feel say so proud of myself. I agree,

0:48:02.600 --> 0:48:04.680
<v Speaker 2>I could like cry, No, my girlfriend just did it.

0:48:04.760 --> 0:48:06.960
<v Speaker 7>She went to South America, traveled for like a year

0:48:07.000 --> 0:48:10.919
<v Speaker 7>by herself, came home thriving. Now this bitch is moving

0:48:10.960 --> 0:48:14.000
<v Speaker 7>a BALI like she's killing the game, and I'm like, wow,

0:48:14.200 --> 0:48:16.600
<v Speaker 7>three years No, three years ago she was in a

0:48:16.600 --> 0:48:18.879
<v Speaker 7>five year relationship like she was in it and it's

0:48:18.920 --> 0:48:21.239
<v Speaker 7>just like but it's it's also just like where do

0:48:21.280 --> 0:48:25.800
<v Speaker 7>you you know? It's different lanes and I just I couldn't.

0:48:26.160 --> 0:48:28.200
<v Speaker 7>I think it's cool, but I couldn't. I'd rather go

0:48:28.239 --> 0:48:30.560
<v Speaker 7>to like a ranch or a spa and find myself there.

0:48:30.600 --> 0:48:33.040
<v Speaker 7>But sometime she's like, come visit me. I'm like, let

0:48:33.040 --> 0:48:35.719
<v Speaker 7>me know when you hit the ritz Carlton, and I'll

0:48:35.760 --> 0:48:37.560
<v Speaker 7>hit you there. I think I would have a better

0:48:37.680 --> 0:48:39.800
<v Speaker 7>chance of like if I went somewhere in the States

0:48:39.800 --> 0:48:41.279
<v Speaker 7>for three months. I could probably do that. Like I

0:48:41.280 --> 0:48:46.600
<v Speaker 7>could go live in like somewhere random, but leaving the country.

0:48:45.280 --> 0:48:47.960
<v Speaker 3>That's where I would differ to me that would do nothing.

0:48:48.000 --> 0:48:50.400
<v Speaker 3>Then I would be lonely and bored. If you go

0:48:50.440 --> 0:48:54.680
<v Speaker 3>to somewhere experienced, like a new country that has things

0:48:54.680 --> 0:48:58.439
<v Speaker 3>that are centuries older than our our continent, our country does,

0:48:58.600 --> 0:49:00.919
<v Speaker 3>It's like that's something that would get my my juice

0:49:01.000 --> 0:49:03.000
<v Speaker 3>is flowing and like this is something that I experienced.

0:49:03.080 --> 0:49:05.520
<v Speaker 3>If I go to Des Moines, Iowa for three months,

0:49:05.680 --> 0:49:07.520
<v Speaker 3>but no, no, no searching right.

0:49:07.440 --> 0:49:08.719
<v Speaker 7>Now, I would go to like I could go to

0:49:08.760 --> 0:49:11.359
<v Speaker 7>like Montana or like Wyoming or Colorado, Like I could

0:49:11.400 --> 0:49:13.120
<v Speaker 7>go do something like that for three months and just

0:49:13.160 --> 0:49:15.040
<v Speaker 7>be like, you know, no, so but I could really

0:49:15.160 --> 0:49:16.279
<v Speaker 7>months or a month or.

0:49:16.239 --> 0:49:17.960
<v Speaker 2>Two what like five days?

0:49:18.520 --> 0:49:20.120
<v Speaker 7>Oh no, Like I'm saying I could go for like

0:49:20.160 --> 0:49:22.960
<v Speaker 7>a month or two Oh really, but I couldn't leave

0:49:22.960 --> 0:49:23.400
<v Speaker 7>the country.

0:49:23.719 --> 0:49:25.960
<v Speaker 2>I can wait on that. I'm like, I wouldn't go

0:49:26.239 --> 0:49:27.160
<v Speaker 2>like I would.

0:49:27.280 --> 0:49:28.759
<v Speaker 3>It would have to be far.

0:49:28.960 --> 0:49:30.480
<v Speaker 2>But at the same time that I think about the kids,

0:49:30.520 --> 0:49:33.000
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, I could never leave my kids.

0:49:33.480 --> 0:49:34.719
<v Speaker 7>No. I feel like when you do that, you have

0:49:34.800 --> 0:49:37.279
<v Speaker 7>to be like her, like no husband, no kids, like

0:49:37.520 --> 0:49:38.319
<v Speaker 7>out here doing it.

0:49:38.360 --> 0:49:40.120
<v Speaker 3>To do all that. Yeah, I mean that to point you.

0:49:40.239 --> 0:49:43.839
<v Speaker 3>Like my friend that that texted me about going. He

0:49:43.920 --> 0:49:45.960
<v Speaker 3>lives in We grew up and we went to high

0:49:45.960 --> 0:49:48.239
<v Speaker 3>school together as my best friend growing up. He moved

0:49:48.280 --> 0:49:51.120
<v Speaker 3>to London or to England for medical school. Hasn't come

0:49:51.120 --> 0:49:53.200
<v Speaker 3>back after college. He fell in love with it over

0:49:53.200 --> 0:49:55.600
<v Speaker 3>It has an accent everything now because he's been there forever, which.

0:49:55.480 --> 0:49:59.160
<v Speaker 2>By the way, always like you're American, but I can see.

0:49:59.000 --> 0:50:01.080
<v Speaker 3>I can save a British But I can see how

0:50:01.160 --> 0:50:03.560
<v Speaker 3>if you spend like a decade over there, you're gonna

0:50:03.640 --> 0:50:05.399
<v Speaker 3>start naturally kind of talking that way.

0:50:05.440 --> 0:50:08.600
<v Speaker 2>But you talk like this because we're like moving to Nashville.

0:50:08.800 --> 0:50:11.839
<v Speaker 3>We live here, but things like that, I'll start coming out.

0:50:12.000 --> 0:50:12.880
<v Speaker 3>Look at Schwarzenegger.

0:50:12.880 --> 0:50:14.640
<v Speaker 4>He's been in thirty years and he still sounds like

0:50:14.640 --> 0:50:16.440
<v Speaker 4>he just got here from Austria.

0:50:16.920 --> 0:50:18.839
<v Speaker 3>Different, I guess, but he goes when he just has

0:50:18.840 --> 0:50:20.640
<v Speaker 3>a few days, he'll go to down the country like

0:50:20.640 --> 0:50:23.399
<v Speaker 3>that by himself. He'll have nothing planning. And so that

0:50:23.480 --> 0:50:26.279
<v Speaker 3>part of me too feels comfortable going with someone who

0:50:26.360 --> 0:50:30.040
<v Speaker 3>travels all of the time, who does this by themselves.

0:50:30.160 --> 0:50:34.600
<v Speaker 2>You know how I feel about him though, Oh oh,

0:50:34.640 --> 0:50:37.200
<v Speaker 2>he's mean to you. I don't like how he jokes.

0:50:37.440 --> 0:50:40.200
<v Speaker 2>I get you, he's he's very mean to him and

0:50:40.239 --> 0:50:44.480
<v Speaker 2>it makes me it really it bothers me because her

0:50:44.719 --> 0:50:47.600
<v Speaker 2>I get for my man but puts him down. Twenty

0:50:47.600 --> 0:50:49.959
<v Speaker 2>fourth every time I've been around him, like he puts

0:50:50.040 --> 0:50:51.439
<v Speaker 2>him down, I'm like, how are you gonna go find

0:50:51.440 --> 0:50:53.160
<v Speaker 2>your Like, here's the thing. If you said somebody else,

0:50:53.200 --> 0:50:55.880
<v Speaker 2>I'd be like, go. But my hesitation with it is

0:50:56.080 --> 0:50:57.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't want you to go to have this thing

0:50:57.560 --> 0:50:59.120
<v Speaker 2>and he's gonna put you down the entire time you're

0:50:59.120 --> 0:51:00.880
<v Speaker 2>walking up a mountain, because I don't want to pun

0:51:01.000 --> 0:51:01.560
<v Speaker 2>him off the mountain.

0:51:01.600 --> 0:51:02.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh wait, if.

0:51:02.600 --> 0:51:05.319
<v Speaker 2>He says something to you like he's just like he's like,

0:51:05.360 --> 0:51:07.719
<v Speaker 2>oh like he's just mean, and it's like that's their

0:51:07.719 --> 0:51:09.440
<v Speaker 2>way of joking. But I'm like, that's not nice, like

0:51:09.520 --> 0:51:12.480
<v Speaker 2>maybe unhappy. Well, I think there's other things going there

0:51:12.520 --> 0:51:16.160
<v Speaker 2>that I'll say off the record, but yeah, that's mine.

0:51:16.200 --> 0:51:18.799
<v Speaker 2>You think he's mean to you, No, it's our relationship.

0:51:18.840 --> 0:51:20.560
<v Speaker 3>We've always just ragged on each other. It's one of

0:51:20.560 --> 0:51:23.000
<v Speaker 3>those things we'll go with. We could go without talking

0:51:23.080 --> 0:51:25.319
<v Speaker 3>for a year, and the first thing we did is

0:51:25.680 --> 0:51:29.600
<v Speaker 3>bust each other's balls. And it's one of those things

0:51:29.760 --> 0:51:34.600
<v Speaker 3>because because we don't talk, because we live in separate countries,

0:51:34.840 --> 0:51:36.920
<v Speaker 3>we don't talk as much because we have opposite hours.

0:51:36.960 --> 0:51:39.520
<v Speaker 3>But when we do get past and we do talk

0:51:39.560 --> 0:51:42.880
<v Speaker 3>for a while, we get past all that initial like

0:51:43.400 --> 0:51:44.640
<v Speaker 3>jab jabbing back and forth.

0:51:44.800 --> 0:51:45.359
<v Speaker 1>It mean to you.

0:51:46.120 --> 0:51:49.319
<v Speaker 2>He's never once asked me a question, not once. That's

0:51:49.360 --> 0:51:49.799
<v Speaker 2>another reason.

0:51:50.280 --> 0:51:51.759
<v Speaker 3>And how many times have.

0:51:51.400 --> 0:51:53.439
<v Speaker 2>Have I asked any questions? When it came to our house, I.

0:51:53.360 --> 0:51:55.520
<v Speaker 3>Was asking question, have we seen this man?

0:51:55.719 --> 0:51:57.360
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't matter, but he's been he's been in my

0:51:57.400 --> 0:51:59.600
<v Speaker 2>house and he's never asked me. He's not once asked

0:51:59.640 --> 0:52:01.439
<v Speaker 2>me a question. I'm sorry he was in your house

0:52:01.480 --> 0:52:03.600
<v Speaker 2>and he didn't. His brother talked to me more than

0:52:03.640 --> 0:52:06.160
<v Speaker 2>he talked to me, So again I have he's mean

0:52:06.200 --> 0:52:07.800
<v Speaker 2>to you, and he doesn't ask any questions, and he

0:52:07.840 --> 0:52:08.840
<v Speaker 2>doesn't care to get to know me.

0:52:09.000 --> 0:52:11.759
<v Speaker 7>So yeah, maybe he's scared of you. No, I think

0:52:11.800 --> 0:52:12.720
<v Speaker 7>he loves Michael.

0:52:18.080 --> 0:52:19.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying.

0:52:21.800 --> 0:52:26.160
<v Speaker 7>I think Mark, just I'm not going anywhere near that.

0:52:26.400 --> 0:52:27.359
<v Speaker 2>I think Mark.

0:52:29.080 --> 0:52:29.480
<v Speaker 3>Pause.

0:52:29.640 --> 0:52:32.880
<v Speaker 4>The pause was so beautiful, the silence I've never enjoyed

0:52:32.920 --> 0:52:34.680
<v Speaker 4>silence more on a podcast than right there.

0:52:34.719 --> 0:52:43.600
<v Speaker 5>If we're gonna find out in Tanzania, he's gonna go

0:52:43.719 --> 0:52:51.600
<v Speaker 5>find himself and say, you know, because like Ban, I

0:52:51.640 --> 0:52:54.239
<v Speaker 5>wouldn't even be upset if you Mike came back gay

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<v Speaker 5>with him.

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<v Speaker 7>I I am not saying a word. The the the

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<v Speaker 7>the interweb is going to have a field day with this.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm crying. Look, Mike, Mike, I need.

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<v Speaker 3>Honestly, honestly, here's the thing. We thought, No, there's you're

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<v Speaker 3>lying even even there's no thought. Even me and his

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<v Speaker 3>brother had conversations on whether his older brother who him

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<v Speaker 3>and I are really tight too, about whether or not

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<v Speaker 3>he may be like men, which is obviously fine either.

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<v Speaker 7>Way, but it makes sense why he doesn't like me.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm just saying, like the swallow, it's so quiet.

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<v Speaker 3>We just heard my My thing is after even talking

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<v Speaker 3>to some people about it, even like my therapist about it,

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<v Speaker 3>and talking to my friend himself more, not bringing up

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<v Speaker 3>is like to me, what I've kind of open my

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<v Speaker 3>eyes to is it's about his priorities in life. My

0:54:03.440 --> 0:54:05.920
<v Speaker 3>priorities in life have been to have a family, have

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<v Speaker 3>a wife, have kids. He's that person. He with his

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<v Speaker 3>free time, he wants to experience the world.

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<v Speaker 2>How do we get out a lot of.

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<v Speaker 3>That is what is important to him. So because I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think he actually is, that's my point is just

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<v Speaker 3>because he doesn't have a relationship or doesn't, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think that that all I'm saying is that's why I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think he is.

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<v Speaker 7>I was going to say sometimes like maybe when it's

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<v Speaker 7>a friend from the beginning, like he just ride or

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<v Speaker 7>dies so hard for Mike that he's probably just like

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<v Speaker 7>if this beat, you know what I mean, Like not

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<v Speaker 7>in that way, but.

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<v Speaker 3>But to that point too. When we were in London

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<v Speaker 3>when you're playing the O two Arena, Sick and I went.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was a side stage.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't that big either way.

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<v Speaker 3>She still play. That's a big deal. Me and my buddy,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, he lives in England. So we went out

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<v Speaker 3>and uh walked around and stuff like that. And because

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<v Speaker 3>he is he has been my boy since like thirty one.

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<v Speaker 3>He had a little bit about that. But that was

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<v Speaker 3>when we were Jane and I were like.

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<v Speaker 7>I feel like, you know, he's obviously taking your side

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<v Speaker 7>and he's obviously and.

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<v Speaker 2>He was just like, what did I do to not

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<v Speaker 2>have him like me. It's not fair.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not about that. It's not it's not it's about

0:55:14.080 --> 0:55:17.640
<v Speaker 3>it's about seeing your friend irregardless of everything else going on,

0:55:17.719 --> 0:55:19.000
<v Speaker 3>seeing your friend and pain.

0:55:19.160 --> 0:55:21.799
<v Speaker 2>Senior friends about when we came to our house with

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<v Speaker 2>his hand, mom and brother.

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<v Speaker 7>Agreed like at a certain age. Hi, but I feel like,

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<v Speaker 7>what did I do wrong?

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<v Speaker 2>If I messed? If I like hurt him, but I

0:55:31.960 --> 0:55:35.759
<v Speaker 2>didn't hurt him, so like maybe he thinks he did. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>love to know the stories, That's what I'm you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean?

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<v Speaker 7>Like you never told him no, not no, not you,

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<v Speaker 7>but do you know like sometimes our friends like regardless

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<v Speaker 7>of what, like your friend's gonna, you know, have your back.

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<v Speaker 7>I think it's if I were the one that did

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<v Speaker 7>the wrong doing, then yeah, I could totally see that,

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<v Speaker 7>but not if I didn't do the wrong doing. And Hi,

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<v Speaker 7>you just came to my house and we have another

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<v Speaker 7>kid in here, and like you know, like be more friendly.

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<v Speaker 7>You no say hi and ask one question? Not where

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<v Speaker 7>the is the bathroom?

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 4>So I know, well, well, I don't think we have

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<v Speaker 4>time for emails.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know you, I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Know so anyways, I'll report next year from the top

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<v Speaker 3>of killay.

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<v Speaker 2>I just looked it up, because you need five nine days.

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<v Speaker 4>Dr Romney was in Johannesburgh. You can and kill him

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<v Speaker 4>and jar we'll skype you down.

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<v Speaker 2>Why don't you like start with like Machu pichu. Isn't

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<v Speaker 2>that a little easier?

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<v Speaker 3>All or nothing?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, if it's something you really want to do, well,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously we'll we'll chat about it. Look at the calendar,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. All right, Well this has been fun, but

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<v Speaker 2>one done later.