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Speaker 1: it right off the bad Jesse, Isaiah standback. Heck my Harrison,
Speaker 1: I'm Danny. So this is Hanging with the Boys. And
Speaker 1: later on we'll have a live report out from practice
Speaker 1: from training camp with Nate Newton. So stick around for
Speaker 1: that guy's first practice today. I mean it's it's no pads.
Speaker 1: It's more like, you know, the OTA's kind of walking through.
Speaker 1: But man, it feels good. That we're going to see
Speaker 1: the whole team out there first practice, leaning into the season.
Speaker 1: It's like Christmas in July, right we let we wait
Speaker 1: for this moment holiday right now, we wait for this
Speaker 1: moment for it to come. And you know, you hear
Speaker 1: all the stories you go through the draft, the OTAs,
Speaker 1: the mini camps. This guy's putting his video out, this
Speaker 1: person's putting their video out, and all these things are happening.
Speaker 1: Cowboys putting content out on the website. And now we're here.
Speaker 1: So all of the hooplah, all of the talk, all
Speaker 1: of that stuff, now it was time to put up
Speaker 1: a shut up. And this is the part that gets
Speaker 1: me super excited. Yeah, it's officially doing it for the
Speaker 1: gram is over. Yes, doing it for the grammar is over.
Speaker 1: Now all the work that guys have been putting in
Speaker 1: this offseason, um, it's time to show up and you
Speaker 1: know show out. Obviously it's count down to preseason games. Um,
Speaker 1: it's been a while since guys have been in position
Speaker 1: to actually put up and actually show what they can do.
Speaker 1: Especially these guys that are kind of on an edge
Speaker 1: on a bubble looking for those opportunities. It's time for
Speaker 1: them to go Man, where's the mixtape coming out? Brother?
Speaker 1: Ya come on minute, y'all came in the studio. Let's switch.
Speaker 1: Look at y'all. They got the other the same side
Speaker 1: as I love it. They both got arms sets in
Speaker 1: this morning, yage real. Yeah, we smell each other. I
Speaker 1: love it. Man. It's you know, everything is getting started.
Speaker 1: Like you said, Man, it's Christmas, sin't July. You know.
Speaker 1: It's good to see the Cowboys back working. You know.
Speaker 1: The expectations are not lofty at all for this team.
Speaker 1: They got They got a bunch, you know, and it
Speaker 1: looks like with the NFC East they have, they're in
Speaker 1: prime position to to do some great things. If they
Speaker 1: can get through training camp healthy. That's the That's the
Speaker 1: number one thing, and it and the depth in health
Speaker 1: is what's what this training camp is should be all about,
Speaker 1: especially for this team all those injuries they had last year.
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones, head coach Mike McCarthy had an
Speaker 1: hour long opening press conference yesterday, and I feel like
Speaker 1: they only skimmed the surface on so many different topics.
Speaker 1: But just right off the bat that first press conference,
Speaker 1: what stood out to you a little because I don't
Speaker 1: I can't get in trouble in July. I have to.
Speaker 1: I have to save my visit to the principal's office
Speaker 1: at least until October. Now, I know for me, I
Speaker 1: mean obviously you know, Jerry loves the fans. He loves
Speaker 1: the people right as as as he's been that way
Speaker 1: since he stepped foot um here in Dallas. And I
Speaker 1: think that if anything stood out, it was his excitement
Speaker 1: for getting back to Oxner. It was no um it
Speaker 1: was it was no secret by any means, UM and
Speaker 1: he was He showed it, um that when when he
Speaker 1: actually started talking about you know, being there on site,
Speaker 1: you know, the access that he's given, you know to
Speaker 1: obviously hard knocks and having fans on site again and
Speaker 1: just being there in the midst of that, um, you know,
Speaker 1: we've been knocking her and talking about you know, talking
Speaker 1: about the facilities and how it's just he's just he's
Speaker 1: he's hype, he's ready to go. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: everything that's surrounding this, it's been that's a long year
Speaker 1: and a half, two years for me, for mister Jones,
Speaker 1: and to not have people around him in their regarden.
Speaker 1: I think he's just hyped his show off all his
Speaker 1: new toys. Yeah, I was really excited to hear some
Speaker 1: of his stories talking about back in the day with
Speaker 1: Jimmy and all of that. I mean, I'm from Dallas,
Speaker 1: so you think about when he purchased the team and
Speaker 1: how it divided the city, came and fired text Ram,
Speaker 1: you know, Tom Landry, all of those things that he
Speaker 1: was accumulating enemies it quicker than he possibly could. And
Speaker 1: now the success that he's had has basically driven this
Speaker 1: franchise forward. And just to hear those stories again, things
Speaker 1: that we didn't have a thirty for thirty or Deep
Speaker 1: Blue on things like that back in the day. So
Speaker 1: hearing him talk about that era and then hearing him
Speaker 1: talk about Barry and Jim me and for me as
Speaker 1: a Cowboy fan, obviously the nostalgia around all of that,
Speaker 1: because these are legendary conversation. This isn't I was talking
Speaker 1: to a nobody. He's talking about guys that are Hall
Speaker 1: of famers. Yeah. And then Jerry told that story about
Speaker 1: how right after he had let Jimmy go and he
Speaker 1: brought Barry Switzer in and Barry shows up to his
Speaker 1: office and that he keeps just asking where's Jimmy where's Jimmy.
Speaker 1: And Jerry's like, well, what do you need to talk
Speaker 1: about before Jimmy's not here? And Barry says to Jerry,
Speaker 1: I need to know how you guys mess this up.
Speaker 1: I thought you was gonna drop it. I thought I'm
Speaker 1: not going to the principal the first one, thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you, and then Jerry saying, you know, he still
Speaker 1: doesn't know, you know, really how they messed it up.
Speaker 1: But it does kind of sound a little different than
Speaker 1: you know, the fact that he's talking about Jimmy and
Speaker 1: he had really high praises for him, and of course
Speaker 1: Jimmy's being inducted into the Hall of Fame and a
Speaker 1: few short weeks, a couple of days really, so that'll
Speaker 1: be exciting um, And Jerry was saying, no, they'll probably
Speaker 1: do something to kind of celebrate him going into the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, so that'll be really great too. And
Speaker 1: he was really emotional. There were multiple times where you
Speaker 1: started to see the tears start to come out, and
Speaker 1: I think he was just come on, Jeff, So we
Speaker 1: bought the tears, right, Yeah, you bought the tears, Danny?
Speaker 1: Did you buy the tears? I bought the tears in
Speaker 1: the part where he was saying when he was at
Speaker 1: home last year, not knowing if he was going to
Speaker 1: find himself an ox Earn again talking in front of
Speaker 1: the media. I believe that like he we've said it before,
Speaker 1: like he loves this whole atmosphere and the vibes of
Speaker 1: it all and talking to the media and having the intention,
Speaker 1: I think not having that last year and not Jerry
Speaker 1: still be respect for it. You don't know how many
Speaker 1: years anyone has and I be at home. I think
Speaker 1: that those are the tears I believed of Like he
Speaker 1: didn't know he was going to be here this year,
Speaker 1: and he was excited about that. First of all, Jerry's
Speaker 1: going to outlive all of us. Make that clear. He's
Speaker 1: going to outlive all of us. He is made a deal,
Speaker 1: he got access, he had access to the to the
Speaker 1: higher to the higher courts. But to me, and this
Speaker 1: is just for me, I think Jerry is the best
Speaker 1: salesman slash showmen that we have in all of sports.
Speaker 1: There is no one on the face of this earth
Speaker 1: when it comes to putting on a show and to
Speaker 1: selling something that does it better in the world of
Speaker 1: sports than mister Jerry Jones. Period. Then you add into
Speaker 1: the mix. Being back in Oxnard, I have to begin
Speaker 1: to sell this product again. I have to right. People
Speaker 1: are excited about the Cowboys another come out. But Jerry,
Speaker 1: he is always closing the deal. Always, I am always
Speaker 1: putting on my best closing the deal face. And I
Speaker 1: just think to me, and I'm not saying that Jerry
Speaker 1: can't get emotional, but the often known tears to me
Speaker 1: throughout that press conference HBO being there, and let me
Speaker 1: let me make a bold prediction now before the end
Speaker 1: of training camp, before we get through this knock situation,
Speaker 1: because Jerry was hinting at it. And you have to understand,
Speaker 1: Jerry only hints at certain things and kind of gives
Speaker 1: you tidbits about certain things. The old man is very wise.
Speaker 1: He never missteps, he never misspeaks. He knows exactly what
Speaker 1: he's saying. He's planned it out in his head moment minute,
Speaker 1: months before he even gotten to the MIC. I would
Speaker 1: not be shocked if we hear an announcement by the
Speaker 1: end of training camp that Jimmy's going into the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame to the Ring of Honor this season and
Speaker 1: again because he you know, it comes up and he's like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't want to. So he's just always able to
Speaker 1: move the needle emotionally, you know, systematically, that's Jerry Jones.
Speaker 1: So when I see the tears and how he shuts
Speaker 1: them on and turns them off and looks deep into
Speaker 1: the camera and gives a camera that look, I'm just like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, God, this dude is good. I'm like, this
Speaker 1: dude is good. And this is why this is why
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are is the recognizable and the most expensive
Speaker 1: franchise in all of sports because the dude at the
Speaker 1: hell nobody sells it better than him. Yeah, you make
Speaker 1: a good point. And I thought what was interesting talking
Speaker 1: about with Jerry and what he was saying and kind
Speaker 1: of Jimmy and the nineties and the championship years was
Speaker 1: Jerry was saying, well, I'm not going to make comparisons,
Speaker 1: but he kind of was because someone had asked him,
Speaker 1: you know, you're always so optimistic, like why do you
Speaker 1: think this is the year that you guys can get
Speaker 1: back to winning? And Jerry said, you know, well, I'm better.
Speaker 1: Life is better when I am optimistic. But he did
Speaker 1: say that Dak Prescott has the character and the leadership
Speaker 1: qualities that a lot of those players had through those
Speaker 1: championship years and that he feels like things are starting
Speaker 1: to click. I mean, do you guys think it's true
Speaker 1: or you know it could really happen to be you know,
Speaker 1: this could be the year. Or is he just being optimistic?
Speaker 1: He said the same thing about Rummy as an owner
Speaker 1: and Slash Gem. I mean, you know, Slash everything. You
Speaker 1: have to be optimistic when you're when you're at the
Speaker 1: hell when you're when you're at the head of the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. There's nothing but optimism, right. I mean, whether
Speaker 1: it's um, it doesn't matter what your roster looks like.
Speaker 1: You know, you're always looking up. I don't care if
Speaker 1: you if you're just supposed to just barely make the playoffs,
Speaker 1: I don't care if you have a roster that shows that, hey,
Speaker 1: you guys are supposed to be the best in the league.
Speaker 1: You're just gonna look up, especially when you just pay
Speaker 1: your quarterback so everything shows, you know, it gives him
Speaker 1: every reason to be optimistic. I think that this roster
Speaker 1: is solid, right, This roster is solid. We know offensively
Speaker 1: that things look really good. We know that defensively, we
Speaker 1: need to see what Quinn brings to the table. Um,
Speaker 1: I know what he's capable of just from by history
Speaker 1: with him, but I'm looking forward to seeing how he
Speaker 1: puts these pieces together. So we know that the roster
Speaker 1: is there. But we've seen many times before in every
Speaker 1: sport teams that look great on paper but don't show
Speaker 1: up on the field. So we have to see exactly
Speaker 1: how this goes down. But he has every reason to
Speaker 1: be optimistic and to be hopeful. Um, you know, not
Speaker 1: only just because of the franchise, but also he's getting older.
Speaker 1: He's getting older, right, and that's the reality of it, right,
Speaker 1: People get older, which is why you know, his son
Speaker 1: kind of sits, kind of says, you know, at least
Speaker 1: at least one armament away from him now because he's
Speaker 1: he's next man up. So Jerry wants to see this
Speaker 1: thing come to fruition. Um, you know before a father times,
Speaker 1: I'm not mad at him. Well, when you give your
Speaker 1: your quarterback the amount of money that he gave his,
Speaker 1: you bet you gotta be optimistic. You you gotta be
Speaker 1: optimistic about a guy that you think is turning the
Speaker 1: corner in this league to be that apex, that top
Speaker 1: tier quarterback, and so many media outlets are talking about
Speaker 1: where Dak is in the comparison with other quarterbacks in
Speaker 1: the league. You have to feel like when you give
Speaker 1: a guy that much money, that he's amongst those guys.
Speaker 1: So gives you a reason to be optimi optimistic. But
Speaker 1: another thing that I took from the presser was when
Speaker 1: he talked about Charles Haley and getting players like that.
Speaker 1: I believe that if I'm Jerry, I'm sick of it
Speaker 1: answering these questions about yesteryear and trying to get this
Speaker 1: team going towards the future so we don't have to
Speaker 1: continue to talk about it's been twenty five years since
Speaker 1: we've been there. But one thing I take from that
Speaker 1: is if you need players, you need players like Charles Haley.
Speaker 1: That's a multifaceted answer, because Charles Haley was dynamic, not
Speaker 1: only on the field but off the field, and he
Speaker 1: was the kind of guy that from what I understand
Speaker 1: about Charles Haley, let's look, man, he may have been
Speaker 1: a you know what in the building, but you were
Speaker 1: happy to have him on your team. How many of
Speaker 1: those guys do we have right now? So when you're
Speaker 1: talking about turning this roster, when you're talking about dogs
Speaker 1: when you say what's gonna get you to the next level?
Speaker 1: When you talk about DNA Sanders and those types of
Speaker 1: well coach Sanders, you know, guys like that on that level,
Speaker 1: you have to be reminded that you don't have you
Speaker 1: don't feel like you have that. But does this new
Speaker 1: draft class have some of those guys on it? Did
Speaker 1: you get any of that in free agency? Are you
Speaker 1: going towards that? Because if the championship, this is a
Speaker 1: results driven league, do you have that to get the
Speaker 1: ultimate goal, which is a Lombardi. Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 1: And Mike McCarthy was saying tyfically about the defensive rookies
Speaker 1: and free agents they brought in. They feel better about
Speaker 1: the defense this year. They're they're stronger, they're longer. Now
Speaker 1: it's just a matter of can this defense kind of
Speaker 1: work through the kinks of a new defensive coordinator a
Speaker 1: little bit quicker than last year. And we'll touch on
Speaker 1: that a little bit. But one last point of the
Speaker 1: press conference yesterday, which you know we should for sure
Speaker 1: bring up and talk about regardless of how people feel
Speaker 1: or anything like that, is the fact that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are expecting to go beyond that eighty five percent threshold
Speaker 1: of having vaccinations, which is huge for teams because that
Speaker 1: starts to take away some of those restrictions that they have.
Speaker 1: And Jerry was saying, you know, they have a handful,
Speaker 1: like about five who haven't had at least one shot.
Speaker 1: And the reason too, I'm bringing this up is within
Speaker 1: the hour, Tom pallisera from NFL Network, said that the
Speaker 1: NFL justin four this in a tweet. The NFL just
Speaker 1: informed clubs that if a game cannot be rescheduled during
Speaker 1: the eighteen week season in twenty twenty one due to
Speaker 1: a COVID outbreak among unvaccinated players, the team with the
Speaker 1: outbreak will forfeit and be credited with a loss. So
Speaker 1: that's huge. So the fact that the Cowboys are, we
Speaker 1: don't know how close they are. You know, they're not
Speaker 1: going to share names, and that's not anyone's business and
Speaker 1: their own decision, but it is important to note that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys feel confident they're going to reach that threshold,
Speaker 1: and that Jerry doesn't feel like where they are right
Speaker 1: now or where they're going to be by the time
Speaker 1: the season starts is going to hinder them in any
Speaker 1: way or be any sort of distraction. Yeah, and you
Speaker 1: and you want that right, You want the guys to
Speaker 1: take care of their business on and off the field.
Speaker 1: And I know that we've we've talked about it at Lens,
Speaker 1: at the Wild of Cooler, at the barbershop. Well, what
Speaker 1: Michael Irvin said, you know about guys being selfish if
Speaker 1: if you're not doing everything that you can do to
Speaker 1: avoid having those distractions, and those you know, and you know,
Speaker 1: Mike's my guy, and Mike's Mike is always going to
Speaker 1: be about winning and his goal is always to win
Speaker 1: the championship. But again, his mindset is a different mindset
Speaker 1: from what these younger kids, these younger generations have and
Speaker 1: what they think about. I think Mike never had to
Speaker 1: deal with this like like in his playing time, Mike
Speaker 1: never had to deal with this type of none of
Speaker 1: us have. Yeah, And so it's always funny to me
Speaker 1: to have such a matter of fact in a situation
Speaker 1: where you've never dealt with this, like you've never dealt
Speaker 1: with a situation like this, because I'm sure and we've
Speaker 1: heard tons of stories about the things that Michael used
Speaker 1: to do off the field that sometimes hindered his team
Speaker 1: on the field, whether it be suspensions or arrest or
Speaker 1: things of that nature. So and I know that he
Speaker 1: goes to practice and no one works harder than him,
Speaker 1: his leadership and all that. I know, I get it,
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff, But you gotta be careful
Speaker 1: being so matter of fact with issues like this because
Speaker 1: everyone is dealing with their own personal situation at home
Speaker 1: with you know, how their body may react to it,
Speaker 1: their personal experience. They may have had some family members
Speaker 1: who have been affected by the vaccines they make, you know,
Speaker 1: so everything is always you can't make it so matter
Speaker 1: of fact. And I get Mike can always stay in
Speaker 1: from a place of we always look at that ultimate
Speaker 1: leading position, but he had to just be careful about
Speaker 1: being so matter of fact about things of that nature.
Speaker 1: And I'm talking person that are personal to people, to individuals. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but when it comes down to players, when you think
Speaker 1: about players like you guys, when when you guys want
Speaker 1: the team, every rep, every down, everything was important to you.
Speaker 1: And so what's a matter of fact is what Tom
Speaker 1: Pellicero just came out with. You know, if something were
Speaker 1: to happen where there's an outbreak and the guys are
Speaker 1: missing games because of it, I understand that. Look, I
Speaker 1: can't tell anybody what to do with their body, right,
Speaker 1: the social constructs of what's going on, those things speaks
Speaker 1: for themselves. We're talking about feetball right now, playing ball,
Speaker 1: all right. And if we're saying that these things are
Speaker 1: gonna stop you from being able to produce on the
Speaker 1: football field, that's all I care about. That's all I
Speaker 1: care about, because look, when I take my kids to
Speaker 1: school and they tell me, look, they hadn't had the
Speaker 1: musical shot, I go to the doctor to give them
Speaker 1: the musical shot and take them back to school, right,
Speaker 1: That's what I do, because they have to learn. We're
Speaker 1: talking about football right now, and so if this is
Speaker 1: going to impact the results driven business that we are
Speaker 1: in in any kind of way, if you are leaning
Speaker 1: away from that, then that may be something that impacts
Speaker 1: your football future, right, And so I know, Look, we're
Speaker 1: talking about life and death absolutely all right. We're talking
Speaker 1: about life and death as it relates to this. But
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about the nuances of football, how this
Speaker 1: affects your team. And I think that's where a matter
Speaker 1: of fact, Ley Michael Irvin was talking about. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay out of this one for God, because
Speaker 1: I have my feelings about about this topic, and I'll
Speaker 1: get into principal's officer. For the most part, I mean
Speaker 1: it it is I mean what Heckman just said, it
Speaker 1: is true, right, what you just said, it is true.
Speaker 1: Everybody can have their opinions, right when it comes to
Speaker 1: this whole vaccination thing. The league has their stance. The
Speaker 1: reality is we have a vaccine that's been out for
Speaker 1: a year, and there's there's there's there's some information, right,
Speaker 1: but we don't know long standing things. So guys that
Speaker 1: stay in behind not getting it, I respect them. Guys
Speaker 1: that decide to get it, I respect them. Right. But
Speaker 1: either way, I think um and the organization of the
Speaker 1: NFL has every right within their being that they owned
Speaker 1: the league to say what's mandated and what's not man right, Um,
Speaker 1: there are consequences to not getting on board with that, right,
Speaker 1: whether you agree with those consequences or not. Everybody has
Speaker 1: a choice. So you can choose to get the vaccine
Speaker 1: or you can choose not to get the vaccine. There's
Speaker 1: consequences either way. Um, But I think everybody should be
Speaker 1: respected regardless of what they what they decide to do,
Speaker 1: because it is so personal. Um, and there are you know,
Speaker 1: obviously people have died with the COVID people have died
Speaker 1: with the COVID shot. So everybody has their own takes
Speaker 1: on it. UM principles office. Yeah, but I mean that's
Speaker 1: that's true, right, So I mean, but when it comes
Speaker 1: to the contract of your team, I'm abously rules or rules,
Speaker 1: and you can either get on or you get gone.
Speaker 1: That's much when it comes down to. All right, this
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Speaker 1: out from Oxnard, California, and Mike McCarthy is out at
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Speaker 1: last year and his first year as head coach. With
Speaker 1: training camp, he said his main goal right now is
Speaker 1: to just kind of establish that winning culture. And I'm
Speaker 1: curious to ask you guys. We know McCarthy has won before,
Speaker 1: so he knows what it takes. What will it take
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys to reach that goal of having that
Speaker 1: winning culture? Anything here with the Cowboys short of Lombardi.
Speaker 1: And I've always felt this way. This this goes for
Speaker 1: any sport. For me, you don't win a championship, that
Speaker 1: season is a failure. Now there are lessons that are
Speaker 1: that are learned in failure, so you can still learn
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Speaker 1: to be championship. You ever seen anybody wear AFC or
Speaker 1: NFC championship ring? No, no, me, neither. No funny that
Speaker 1: you say that. I was in New England the year
Speaker 1: after they went to the Super Bowl and they lost
Speaker 1: to the Giants and they got their AFC championship rings
Speaker 1: and I've never seen a locker room Vince woolffork Tom pissed, like,
Speaker 1: get these, don't I'll give this to my aunt Like
Speaker 1: they were like it was like going to secondary family member.
Speaker 1: They're like this doesn't go like literally like oh yeah, here,
Speaker 1: my dad can have this, my mom can have this,
Speaker 1: like because they were so used to winning Super Bowls
Speaker 1: that anything less than that wasn't acceptable. Now I know
Speaker 1: you're gonna say, well, let's win the NFC East and
Speaker 1: let's win the division. Let's get to the Those are
Speaker 1: pre RECs. If it ain't super Bowl for me, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's nothing. But those things are pre recks though, right,
Speaker 1: So those things that you have to do right, you
Speaker 1: have to have a certain winning percentage right to give
Speaker 1: yourself an opportunity to get to the playoffs, all right,
Speaker 1: playoffs has to that's a marker, right, We have to
Speaker 1: get to the playoffs. That's a goal. Cool. Once you
Speaker 1: get through playoffs, guess what, Now we gotta go out
Speaker 1: there and we gotta win a game. Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: now we gotta win another game. So these are all
Speaker 1: different goals that are set along the way. But to
Speaker 1: your point, if you don't win that last game, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because you're coming back and
Speaker 1: you're sitting at the same team where you're like, all right,
Speaker 1: what do we gotta do to get to you know,
Speaker 1: get you know, to get that victory because we didn't
Speaker 1: get it done right. So whether that conversation comes to
Speaker 1: the last game or whether you're sitting home, you know,
Speaker 1: the last game and the first week of January, you know,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. You know, it's all about those rings.
Speaker 1: And you know, there's a lot of guys that played
Speaker 1: this game really well that walked away without rings. And
Speaker 1: that's ultimately all anybody wants. Yeah, when you when you
Speaker 1: talk about Mike McCarthy and his first year and COVID
Speaker 1: and all that, let's let's just put that, just try
Speaker 1: and put that behind him. And establishing culture was something
Speaker 1: that he could not do because he didn't have access
Speaker 1: to his players the same way that he does right now.
Speaker 1: I think the thing that's going to serve him well is, look,
Speaker 1: not having any favorites. Everybody is in here competing. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know any of y'all, you know, everybody, I mean,
Speaker 1: aside from the guys you're paying. Let's not be crazy.
Speaker 1: But but I'm saying on the defensive side, I don't
Speaker 1: have any favorites. We're all competing and if you're a guy,
Speaker 1: you're a name. I don't care if your your numbers
Speaker 1: hanging up in the pro shop. If you're not doing
Speaker 1: it on the field, man, I'm like, I'm like Russell
Speaker 1: Simmons on Deaf Company. Jim, thank y'all for coming out.
Speaker 1: God blessing. Now you know you gotta go. And those
Speaker 1: are the things that this team. We have to turn
Speaker 1: this roster to find the best guys because last year,
Speaker 1: if you look at the names that you brought on
Speaker 1: what in the free agency? What did they get you?
Speaker 1: They got you nothing. A lot of them were cut
Speaker 1: really early, cut really early, and guys that you thought
Speaker 1: were a name that did not produce anything. All right.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to swim in the minutia
Speaker 1: of this, but come on, there was a certain names
Speaker 1: that you thought that we're gonna do. Terry Pole, the
Speaker 1: list goes on that couldn't stop up a toilet in Dallas,
Speaker 1: let alone to run. So let's just just be real
Speaker 1: about what we need as an organization. So you know
Speaker 1: for Mike, he's in He's in his back right now,
Speaker 1: he's in his element. There are no excuses. You got
Speaker 1: your guys right under your thumb. Even with the protocol
Speaker 1: of COVID. Still you have your hand on your team.
Speaker 1: And this is from everything you guys have talked about
Speaker 1: God's being able to be together, have that camaraderie. If
Speaker 1: that is all true, then they should come out of
Speaker 1: camp a lot better than they went in, all right,
Speaker 1: because those are these these are the questions that you
Speaker 1: gotta answer. And no matter how you sit around and
Speaker 1: you can have all the conjecture in the world, we
Speaker 1: were sitting here last year, none of you would have said, man,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have the worst defense in the league, because
Speaker 1: there's no way to play for the worst defense in
Speaker 1: the league. Right. So, I mean, I feel like I
Speaker 1: feel as though all of these things sound well and good,
Speaker 1: but at the end of this year is going to
Speaker 1: give you a complete evaluation of who Mike McCarthy is
Speaker 1: as a coach. I think I think with the hiring
Speaker 1: of Dan Quinn, I think he's really kind of showing
Speaker 1: his hand in terms of the culture that he's trying
Speaker 1: to establish. Yep Um last year, I think he had
Speaker 1: a safe kind of a safe hire and a defensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: I think this year he really said, okay, I need
Speaker 1: I need their change his culture. Right. So as we're
Speaker 1: talking about culture, you know, a cultural competitiveness, right. I
Speaker 1: spent time with obviously on the past shows talking about
Speaker 1: my time in Seattle when Dan Quinn was there, and
Speaker 1: it's it's hey, every play, every practice is going down, right,
Speaker 1: and it's one on one, it's team, it's half line,
Speaker 1: it's everything, and everything is about competition. Everything's high energy.
Speaker 1: And I think with the hiring Quinn, you're gonna see
Speaker 1: that on one side of the ball. Guess what, You're
Speaker 1: not just gonna see that on one side of the ball.
Speaker 1: You've got a dog on fossil over there running around
Speaker 1: running win sprints in practice. Right, So that's two thirds
Speaker 1: of the game right there. You think McCarthy and the
Speaker 1: rest of the crew on the offensive side aren't going
Speaker 1: to make sure that's taken care of. It is going
Speaker 1: to be a very competitive atmosphere and environment, and it's
Speaker 1: gonna it's gonna really promote guys that want to show
Speaker 1: up and want the ball out. So how long does
Speaker 1: culture take to change. It could be instantaneous. It just takes.
Speaker 1: It takes. It takes not only the leadership, consistent leadership. Right,
Speaker 1: So when we talk about unwavering leadership, you're talking about fossils.
Speaker 1: He's that way all the time, right, you see, he's
Speaker 1: always that way. Right. So now he has a dog
Speaker 1: with him in Quinn who has that same type of energy.
Speaker 1: Now we know it's not the same energy on the
Speaker 1: offici side of the ball with the officive coordinator, right,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have that energy. But when you have two
Speaker 1: thirds of the coaches right, the leadership there that are
Speaker 1: pushing and promoting that, it's going to be contagious. Right.
Speaker 1: So you're gonna see that going through all aspects of
Speaker 1: from day one, I can only imagine they won. These
Speaker 1: boys are gonna be out there competing in some regard,
Speaker 1: whether pads on, pads off, something is going to be
Speaker 1: competitive every single day. And that's how you get that
Speaker 1: culture started because you don't allow for anything else to
Speaker 1: creep into your system. Do you think that they were
Speaker 1: able to take strides towards that culture last year under
Speaker 1: McCarthy's first year or no, because they didn't have this
Speaker 1: training camp and everyone being together, and they just kind
Speaker 1: of got right into the season, like are they starting
Speaker 1: fresh this year with that? I think you have to
Speaker 1: write I think you really had they regardless of what
Speaker 1: his intentions may have been for last year, that stiff
Speaker 1: got to de real quick fast, in a hurry, right,
Speaker 1: Covid knocked it off the rails, right. He tried to
Speaker 1: get that thing back one and then do half the
Speaker 1: dog On. You know, Roster got got hurt. So it
Speaker 1: was very difficult. It was I mean, now we were
Speaker 1: just talking about it in a break. It was almost impossible.
Speaker 1: I don't care who the coach was. You know, you
Speaker 1: can bring dog On Lombardi back and it still probably
Speaker 1: would have been a same result last year. Right. It
Speaker 1: was terrible. It was a bad situation. Yeah, and he
Speaker 1: tried and he did everything that he possibly could. But
Speaker 1: we talked a lot about culture. We talked about how
Speaker 1: he builds it, and you asked a quick, good question
Speaker 1: like how long does that take? You know we just
Speaker 1: throw around so loosely, but is there a timeline on
Speaker 1: this thing? You know, when someone gets fired, you know,
Speaker 1: typically he has his guys that he's been drafted and
Speaker 1: had been a part of that culture. How hard is
Speaker 1: it to change those guys from that? And I just
Speaker 1: looked at the OTAs and you know, I say, I
Speaker 1: preach this to my son, that practice makes permanent. And
Speaker 1: I feel like when you see a team that doesn't
Speaker 1: practice with tempo, they don't play with tempo. And everything
Speaker 1: from OTAs was tempo driven. If you've ever and you
Speaker 1: guys have been a part of them NFL practice, so
Speaker 1: you know, it's everything is timed, everything has its purpose.
Speaker 1: And so seeing these guys get back to that, I'm
Speaker 1: hoping that those are the things that resonates with this
Speaker 1: team that is transferable to the field. And the reason
Speaker 1: why I asked a question about how long does it
Speaker 1: take to change a culture, right, because you have to
Speaker 1: a lot of guys, not all of them, but a
Speaker 1: lot of the guys on this roster come from a
Speaker 1: different culture, a different culture that was instilled in them
Speaker 1: for a decade, for ten years. And I know that
Speaker 1: we are we live in this instantaneous world where everything
Speaker 1: has to happen right now, yesterday, at this moment. And
Speaker 1: when you're talking about the Dallas Cowboys, this feeling of
Speaker 1: twenty five, twenty six years since you've been through a
Speaker 1: super Bowl, that becomes more and more of a pressing thing.
Speaker 1: And so I asked the question of how long does
Speaker 1: it take to change a culture? Because if Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: doesn't get this team in a position NFC Championship Games,
Speaker 1: super Bowl, something other than what we've seen in the past,
Speaker 1: they're gonna be standing out here with pitchforks and fires
Speaker 1: and saying get him out of here. What does that mean?
Speaker 1: That means that we're gonna have to start all over
Speaker 1: again with a new culture, right because now either Dan
Speaker 1: Quinn maybe he gets bumped up the head coach, or
Speaker 1: is Jerry going out to do another search for another
Speaker 1: head coach? And then now you got to bring a
Speaker 1: new guy in here, and do you move Kellen Moore up?
Speaker 1: You know, there's there's a lot of different things that
Speaker 1: can factor into culture change, but but it can be instantaneous.
Speaker 1: It can be I mean, so like back in the
Speaker 1: day when you's at the crib and you want of
Speaker 1: your friends to come over, right, your friends might come
Speaker 1: from a totally different culture at their house, right, but
Speaker 1: when they come over to mama's house, there's certain things
Speaker 1: that just aren't going to be allowed right. Right, there's
Speaker 1: there's there's an expectation, and there's a way that you
Speaker 1: have to move and operate within this house. And guess what,
Speaker 1: that's the culture that we have and if you want
Speaker 1: to be a part of this, that's how you got
Speaker 1: to go. But you're talking about one or two friends.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about ninety guys. I'm talking about fifty three
Speaker 1: plus guys. But your season into right, Coach Belichick, how
Speaker 1: long were you on the roster if if you didn't
Speaker 1: get with the culture? No quick, Yeah, you want on
Speaker 1: that roster very long. Thank y'all for coming out. The
Speaker 1: goal to get to that winning culture starts today. The
Speaker 1: Cowboys are eight minutes into their first practice of training
Speaker 1: camp and we have got eyes and years out from
Speaker 1: practice out in Oxnard, California with the one need only,
Speaker 1: the Great Nate Newton. Nate, how you doing, I'm doing great, man, y'all.
Speaker 1: Guys up? Oh man, y'all sounds so good again. Back
Speaker 1: the backstabber, the backstabber, the backstabber, the Judas of the
Speaker 1: hanging with the boys, the one who will will will
Speaker 1: smile on your face and get on the road behind
Speaker 1: your back. You know, the one who takes my pain
Speaker 1: of my dad leaving me long ago and continue to
Speaker 1: to to to to to exude this trauma in my
Speaker 1: life with the way he treats me. With Nate Newton,
Speaker 1: I already got the ticket is open ended ticket, just
Speaker 1: said me when you want to come out, so we
Speaker 1: stop this wine and to get to the back of
Speaker 1: the down of topboard and whoever brought up the culture
Speaker 1: of the difference between going over to Mama's house all
Speaker 1: Carevis one hundred, You ain't gonna go to mama play
Speaker 1: that Mike McCarthy is Mama, Nate. The first practice is underway,
Speaker 1: fans are out there. What what's the atmosphere with all
Speaker 1: the excitement just everyone being back out there. Man, they're
Speaker 1: a pump. That we did Me and Shannon Gross we
Speaker 1: did a little opening act over up about thirty minutes
Speaker 1: right at the gate while fans was waiting. Oh man,
Speaker 1: it was two three hundred people just out there waiting.
Speaker 1: One guy been out there sinse like four in the morning,
Speaker 1: just waiting. Manna. The fans are far away, the media
Speaker 1: is far away, but everybody is hype. Man Tyrone Si
Speaker 1: looking good, y'all. I mean, I know he's just standing up,
Speaker 1: but he's looking good man. So it's just a good
Speaker 1: situation to be in. Everybody type that we did a
Speaker 1: stay of address union yesterday with mister Jones them. This
Speaker 1: is what they wanted and this is what has happening.
Speaker 1: How you don't add a lot of guys out here?
Speaker 1: Cowboys still bigger enough for y'all. What have you seen
Speaker 1: so far? You mentioned Tyron Smith. Does anyone else stood
Speaker 1: out to you the first couple of minutes of what
Speaker 1: they're doing out there, Well, when they let me in
Speaker 1: at it coursed fat Lineman. They live in near the Lineman.
Speaker 1: You know, I haven't had a chance to see that.
Speaker 1: But they're doing team takeoffs right now, going through rope,
Speaker 1: so you don't see them. But the guys out here, man,
Speaker 1: you know, injury guys. I'm trying to look and see
Speaker 1: if it's any injury guys. I don't see any up
Speaker 1: guys working right as them now, but they're just moving
Speaker 1: around having fun. Everybody's out here full goal. I haven't
Speaker 1: had a chance to take the count because we just
Speaker 1: finishing the up of the show, but everybody's here seemed
Speaker 1: to be you know, we got the great Nate Newton
Speaker 1: live from Oxnard, California, first day of practice for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys at training camp. Nate, we're gonna keep it in
Speaker 1: your wheelhouse. You just said, you said, you said, tyring
Speaker 1: looked really good, and you get you get the president back.
Speaker 1: And the one person that I'm really keeping an eye
Speaker 1: on is Lyell coming off the hip surgery. And you
Speaker 1: and I've had multiple conversation. There's certain injuries to the
Speaker 1: big guys that always worry me, right, certain back injuries
Speaker 1: and then the hips. What are you looking to see
Speaker 1: from alignman's perspective? What are you looking to see from
Speaker 1: a guy like coming off the hip surgery to give
Speaker 1: you confidence that he's back to the li all that
Speaker 1: we were, the strong athletic liou that we want to
Speaker 1: do when he can help this off into line out
Speaker 1: when he has to stop and bend, when he has
Speaker 1: to stop and bend that the way and punch a
Speaker 1: guy on pass rush. Can he stopped and do that
Speaker 1: and move with this guy latterly once he stopped and
Speaker 1: done that. And another thing, I want to see how
Speaker 1: he take off and hear the guy and see how
Speaker 1: his leverage is. Because when you get a bad hill,
Speaker 1: the first thing you lose is your flexibility, and you
Speaker 1: cannot being at the way. If you cannot being at
Speaker 1: the way, you're in trouble. You're in trouble, especially versus
Speaker 1: to run. You know you're in trouble. But I want
Speaker 1: to see how he comes out of his breaks when
Speaker 1: guys do double moves on him, and when they power
Speaker 1: into him, when they power right into that hill. When
Speaker 1: he does he is he confident number one? Or does
Speaker 1: he come up out of that rep you know, kicking
Speaker 1: out that leg, you know, saying oh that that didn't
Speaker 1: feel good. So those are the things I'm looking about
Speaker 1: with him. How who he moves laterally? How is this explosives?
Speaker 1: And can he change direction? And can he do it?
Speaker 1: For this camp, we have the They are off tomorrow, y'all,
Speaker 1: so they will be rested, and then they come back
Speaker 1: Saturday and Sunday, and they off Monday. So they got
Speaker 1: and in the next twelve days they're gonna have two
Speaker 1: or three off days. So we don't have to worry
Speaker 1: about whether they gonna get enough rest. Now we're going
Speaker 1: to worry about their conditioning. Right now, they're doing a
Speaker 1: lot of running, and I think between drills, during drills,
Speaker 1: everything is high intense and they're doing a lot of
Speaker 1: running right now. But that is gonna be the question
Speaker 1: mark with guys that are coming off injuries. Where are
Speaker 1: the base foundation at for physical fitness? Hey, Nate heck
Speaker 1: Ma Harrison here, man, I gotta ask you as far
Speaker 1: as the defensive line, man you, Quentin Bohannon, urban guys
Speaker 1: like that, what are you looking for out there practice
Speaker 1: right now? For the defensive line going into the season
Speaker 1: knowing that they have to be a whole lot better
Speaker 1: than they were last year. I'm with you, I'm with
Speaker 1: you and I and the whole defense what we call
Speaker 1: a players to watch. But I am looking at the
Speaker 1: two interior guys. I'm looking at the guy you just mentioned.
Speaker 1: We need for the tackles, the d tackles and the
Speaker 1: pre technique to be dominant. You need Patrician Hill, depending
Speaker 1: on how they're gonna do him or Paul or he's
Speaker 1: not may not start the season. We're looking for Gallimore
Speaker 1: to do great things. The guy that you mentioned earlier,
Speaker 1: I can't think of his name. We're looking for him
Speaker 1: to do greatly. We need for our inside guys to
Speaker 1: be dominant. If our inside guys to make an impact,
Speaker 1: then I know Gregory can play. We know d Law
Speaker 1: can play. We know that we can put Jalen in
Speaker 1: a rush mode and he gonna be all right. Uh,
Speaker 1: that's what we're looking for, man, that's what Ken Ken
Speaker 1: Bradley our nay. Can he do something this year? We
Speaker 1: got a lot of young guys out here, We got
Speaker 1: a lot of talent out here. Or can they driving
Speaker 1: in the right way? And another thing I'm looking at Fellers.
Speaker 1: I know y'all asked about it. What defense are we
Speaker 1: gonna really runs? We're gonna be truly a four three defense.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a lot of hot bread stuff like
Speaker 1: it was last year. What what defense are we gonna run?
Speaker 1: Where are these guys shit in that? And how quick
Speaker 1: can we get the young guys acclimated to how the
Speaker 1: pro game is played? What's up? What's up? Minish boy? Isaiah?
Speaker 1: Hey man? How you going? I'm good man about yourself? Great?
Speaker 1: Good good? Hey. As a former old lineman, as you
Speaker 1: step up into camp right now, who are the four
Speaker 1: defensive linement that you do not want to line up against?
Speaker 1: If you had to go out there in line up
Speaker 1: right now, someone in our guys, yep uh, I probably
Speaker 1: fear d Law and Gregory d Law because he's just
Speaker 1: uh great technicians, Gregory because he's a great athlete. The
Speaker 1: other guys, man, I hate to tell you, boy, if
Speaker 1: it was a young Nate Knew, the old Nate Knews,
Speaker 1: I don't want to line up against none of them.
Speaker 1: Now I don't want old Date Knew. I do not
Speaker 1: feel what I have not seen to do nothing, Nate.
Speaker 1: We saw last year center Tyler Bodist kind of start
Speaker 1: to get some starts and get some more experience, and
Speaker 1: he missed a game or two with a hamstring injury.
Speaker 1: But now he's the guy at center. What are you
Speaker 1: expecting to see from him in training camp? Seeing some
Speaker 1: guys come with a reputation, like you know, the North
Speaker 1: Caroline of guys adjusted him. They come with a reputation
Speaker 1: for us great basketball players. Wisconsin guys come with a reputation.
Speaker 1: They're gritty, they're tough, and more importantly, they're smart. It
Speaker 1: ain't many things that the NFL is going to show
Speaker 1: him that's totally different. No more than the quickness and
Speaker 1: size of players. You know, so he should be able
Speaker 1: to get in call the defenses, line the offensive line
Speaker 1: up right. No, the strength to the weaknesses and make
Speaker 1: adjustments to that point and the rest of it just
Speaker 1: gonna be how tough, how physically tough you want to
Speaker 1: be if you know he's gonna be mentally tough, but
Speaker 1: how still good tough can he be? And does he
Speaker 1: have the technique to suspend Ain't through the season. Well,
Speaker 1: we know that the big money guy out there, number four,
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott, he finally got his contract, We got all
Speaker 1: that stuff behind him. He's coming off the ankle injury.
Speaker 1: What do we have to see from Dak Prescott to
Speaker 1: give us the confidence that he's back? You know, we've
Speaker 1: seen some things in OTAs he wasn't allowed to do
Speaker 1: live team stuff. Uh, you know, rolling out some stuff
Speaker 1: like that. We were kind of like, uh, what do
Speaker 1: you want to see during training? Kempt that'll give you
Speaker 1: the confidence that, you know, what for is back. He's
Speaker 1: ready to go. He's repped up, the ankle is fine,
Speaker 1: and he's able to go out there and winning some
Speaker 1: uh some football games. You know what. The only way
Speaker 1: we're gonna know is when he gets tackled, and I
Speaker 1: don't want to see it. You know, Dak is mentally ready, bro.
Speaker 1: You know he's mentally ready. But it's all it always
Speaker 1: comes to when a guy rolls close to that ankle
Speaker 1: or when he could when he's throwing a ball to
Speaker 1: somebody him download and he has to get up and
Speaker 1: throw the next fad When I see that next fast
Speaker 1: if that happened, which I hope it don't, go and
Speaker 1: train a camp and then I want to see how
Speaker 1: he react the rest of the Franks after that scare,
Speaker 1: you know, And I hope it's only a scare if
Speaker 1: that happened. And I hate to even speak that way,
Speaker 1: yeah speak speaking on the number four, big n How
Speaker 1: long should we what's what's a realistic expectation in terms
Speaker 1: of the timeline for us to see the continuity of
Speaker 1: the officer line come back to ensure the safety of
Speaker 1: big number four, oh man, by the second game, second
Speaker 1: or third game, man, these guys should be ready. I
Speaker 1: mean you you if they still do the third game
Speaker 1: deal where they played three quarters, then you had that
Speaker 1: off week, and then you go into the first game
Speaker 1: and everybody gets the chance to beat up on everybody
Speaker 1: in that second or third game. You should see these
Speaker 1: guys ready because they are not rookies. They're not first, second,
Speaker 1: or third year guys. They are guys that have been
Speaker 1: in the league five, six or seven years and something more.
Speaker 1: So he should make take two or three games. You know,
Speaker 1: if no one gets injured and they stayed together, it
Speaker 1: should say number on two or three games. Man, to
Speaker 1: get this thing going. Man, this is a Zeke year.
Speaker 1: This is a Zeke year. Go here you go, now,
Speaker 1: I'm just here. You go with this again. Man came
Speaker 1: through your daddy, and you know what, be our analyst.
Speaker 1: You're gonna load up as he could getting this year.
Speaker 1: But but you want to talk about that on a
Speaker 1: later day, Yes, sir, we will, thank you. Nate. Uh.
Speaker 1: Since so many of these offensive linemen are coming off
Speaker 1: of injuries and surgeries, do you expect them to play
Speaker 1: a little more than maybe normal in preseason games or
Speaker 1: this Hall of Fame game. No, no, ma'am, No, ma'am.
Speaker 1: You do what you do. You do what you do.
Speaker 1: Lyell has to get him a few more reps in practice.
Speaker 1: He has to test himself. The coaches have to push
Speaker 1: him to a certain limit. You know, he gets that
Speaker 1: preseason game, he may play a half, he may play
Speaker 1: three quarters. They may play less, but when the game
Speaker 1: starts they should have them ready, Jim Mayer and what's
Speaker 1: how other boy, Jesse Yawn. These guys will get them right.
Speaker 1: These are the best in the business. They will have
Speaker 1: him right. Yeah. Well, hey, Nate, I gotta I gotta
Speaker 1: ask you about Zeke because I feel like he is
Speaker 1: so pivotal to the success of the Cowboys. Now he
Speaker 1: came back into camp Halter top Zeke. Now, let me
Speaker 1: ask you if if they had any Instagram or social
Speaker 1: media out back when you were playing and you had
Speaker 1: a down year, when you slimmed down like that, Nate,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I've done that several years. Man. Every now
Speaker 1: and then, I just come back to the Cowboys now,
Speaker 1: just slimmed down. Just let them, that's all. Let the world,
Speaker 1: let the world know justice that we could do it,
Speaker 1: that's all. Sometimes you got to remind people who they
Speaker 1: messing with, Nate, That's right. Every now again, take his
Speaker 1: shirts shirt off in front of us. You know, he'll
Speaker 1: he'll play for chairs, He'll he'll do us a little fist,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah. I think you'll let people know you
Speaker 1: steal it out. And that's what Zeke doing this year. Huh.
Speaker 1: He let he letting folks know that he's back. Look
Speaker 1: at him, bro when he started having around by five
Speaker 1: point two yards care five point two yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
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Speaker 1: in Hanging with the Boys. Welcome back into a special
Speaker 1: edition at Hanging with the Boys. Do We deserted from
Speaker 1: Nate noon out at practice out at Oxnard, and he
Speaker 1: had some good things to say. We talked about Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott a little who's a full go now. He didn't
Speaker 1: participate in any of those team drills any point leading
Speaker 1: up to this point in the off season, but Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy said he will be full go, which is great news.
Speaker 1: There is one position group offensively that we haven't really
Speaker 1: touched on that I want to talk to you guys about,
Speaker 1: because Blake Jarwin is also back the ACL injury. In
Speaker 1: Week one. He's back. He was not put on the
Speaker 1: Populist today with a few other players, which means he's
Speaker 1: already full go. However, Dalton Schultz had a phenomenal breakout
Speaker 1: year last year. So now the Cowboys are going to
Speaker 1: have to figure out, are you still going to stick
Speaker 1: with Blake Jarwin as your number one tight end or
Speaker 1: should they start doing some more twelve personnel stuff? What's
Speaker 1: twelve sure to Will? What is nineteen ninety six? What
Speaker 1: is twelve personnel happening? Danny? This is we're talking about
Speaker 1: eleven ten personnel, And God bless Dalton Schultz. He got
Speaker 1: a chance to get out there and play last year.
Speaker 1: Step to the side, a little buddy, the big Daddy's back,
Speaker 1: Blake Will, Blake will resume his natural position as a
Speaker 1: starting tight end. Um. I think you get more athleticism
Speaker 1: with him. I think you get better route running with him.
Speaker 1: I think you get more big play potential with Blake Jarwin,
Speaker 1: and then you do with with Dalton Shorts. And when
Speaker 1: you look at where this offense is going to be
Speaker 1: going in the future, it ain't gonna be twelve personnel,
Speaker 1: Danny Serak. It's gonna be eleven personnel, ten personnel, oh
Speaker 1: one personnel. Where you're saying, you know what, pick your poison,
Speaker 1: because I'm I'm gonna spread you wide and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: cut you up. Whether it's gonna be Gallop on the outside,
Speaker 1: on the number three cornerback, Seede Lamb on a linebacker
Speaker 1: or safety, or the two cornerback Mary Cooper. Just we
Speaker 1: don't give enough Mark Cooper enough love. He just goes
Speaker 1: out there and just puts in, just just work. He
Speaker 1: I mean, one of the best route runners that we
Speaker 1: have in this league. You're gonna get a little bit
Speaker 1: of Zeke. You're gonna don't get a lot of Zeke.
Speaker 1: You're gonna get a little bit of Tony Pollo come
Speaker 1: out of the backfield, and then you're gonna add Blake
Speaker 1: Darwin to the mix. It's it's for this team offensively,
Speaker 1: it's going to be spread you out and pick your
Speaker 1: poison because you're just gonna have open dudes running around
Speaker 1: this field all over the place. Yeah, it's too much.
Speaker 1: It's too it's too much. Um. I don't disagree that
Speaker 1: we will see some twelve right, I don't think that
Speaker 1: we're gonna see a whole lot of it. Um, But
Speaker 1: I don't line Yeah, rid Zone d zone. I mean,
Speaker 1: but but you know, to Jesse's point, the reality is
Speaker 1: we got three dogs out there, and then you add
Speaker 1: Jarwin in there. He's a fourth dog. They gave him
Speaker 1: the money for a reason. It's unfortunate that he got
Speaker 1: hurt last year. But when you think about what that
Speaker 1: offense presents itself, ass when you have Jarwin, who can
Speaker 1: detach right or you just keep his hand in the
Speaker 1: ground right, But if you were to detach jar Winn right,
Speaker 1: you can go two by two set right where you
Speaker 1: got dog on coop Jarwin freaking gallop and CD. That's
Speaker 1: a problem. Oh and by the way, there's a dude
Speaker 1: number twenty one in the backfield too, So it presents
Speaker 1: some real problems. Um, it's gonna be scary, but all
Speaker 1: the versatility in the world, I can't wait to see it.
Speaker 1: Look God leegu hause I disagree. No no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no. What what I'm saying is I think with
Speaker 1: in the tight ends. No, no, the tight end scenario.
Speaker 1: I just felt like Dalton showed showed you that he
Speaker 1: had something, you know, I thought that you could build
Speaker 1: on that because he also is a pretty decent pass
Speaker 1: run blocker, and I think those were some of the
Speaker 1: things that you questioned about Jarwin and his ability to block.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna get the most out of twenty one,
Speaker 1: you're gonna need a tight end that can do that.
Speaker 1: And you can't have any packages where you take him
Speaker 1: out when it's a running down. You can't disguise that.
Speaker 1: So if you're talking about fantasy throwing it all around,
Speaker 1: and you know, I know a lot has been made
Speaker 1: about the three thousand yard receivers, but if your defense
Speaker 1: and let's not even do that, if no, not gonna
Speaker 1: go there. What I'm saying is you have to have
Speaker 1: that balance in your running game as well. And a
Speaker 1: guy like Hedrin James, and I bring him up because
Speaker 1: when you talk about the three thousand yard receiver scenario,
Speaker 1: when you look at the teams that have done that,
Speaker 1: the five teams that have done that, Edwin James was
Speaker 1: on two of those teams, and I think what makes
Speaker 1: him enter and James dynamic is his ability to catch
Speaker 1: passes out of the backfield. And I think that's what
Speaker 1: Zeke brings to the table as well. So if you
Speaker 1: if you look at that, you have to understand that
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to be able to disguise a lot
Speaker 1: of that. And if you're just spreading people out and saying, hey,
Speaker 1: who's gonna will turn around and hand him the ball,
Speaker 1: you're not putting him in an advantage either with your scheme. No,
Speaker 1: I agree on both ends, right, I agree on both ends.
Speaker 1: That's why I said I'm a fan of twelve person now.
Speaker 1: It's just because of the versatility. And we've talked about
Speaker 1: that on on episodes of Hit Sticks. Where you can
Speaker 1: go out there and you can line up with Doug
Speaker 1: on coope and you can line up on the other
Speaker 1: end whether you want to put gallup on the outs
Speaker 1: or if you want to throw CD on the outside,
Speaker 1: and then you have Scholtz and then you have jar
Speaker 1: One in there, and then you obviously have Zeke in
Speaker 1: the backfield. The versatility and the options that you have
Speaker 1: to where you can go alert, alert and they don't
Speaker 1: know what direction you're going, right, gives you all the
Speaker 1: security in the world. Now. Will showed up and showed
Speaker 1: us butt last year. He was a high effort guy
Speaker 1: when it came to blocking. I'm not gonna say that
Speaker 1: he was successful, right and helping him say that he
Speaker 1: was a Scessbut blocking but he was a high effer
Speaker 1: guy and he definitely got better, and I think he
Speaker 1: blew out everybody's expectations for him when he got thrown
Speaker 1: in that situation. But the reality is, when it comes
Speaker 1: down to your premiere down tight end, he's fifteen pounds
Speaker 1: lighter than Jarwin, he's slower than Jarwin, he's left, he's
Speaker 1: less shifty than Jarwin, and he has a lesser check.
Speaker 1: So the reality is Jarwin's gonna be on the field
Speaker 1: right Schultz will be a heck of a heck of
Speaker 1: an asset to add to him. If you want to
Speaker 1: go into a wing set, if you want to go
Speaker 1: buy a three by one, if you want to go
Speaker 1: into a two by two, it's gonna be awesome. But
Speaker 1: he's not. He's not the guy. And I agree. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I agree. I agree with that, And I think that's
Speaker 1: why the tight end position is so pivotal when it
Speaker 1: comes down to Dak and his injury. I think your
Speaker 1: first resign, your first read is right there in front
Speaker 1: of you, the middle of the field. That's where he's
Speaker 1: gonna be looking. Uh. And so if we're looking for
Speaker 1: him to get the cobwebs out, because he's gonna be there.
Speaker 1: He's missed a half a year of football, and so
Speaker 1: you've got to look for him to be comfortable and
Speaker 1: his pass and says with his tight end, and so
Speaker 1: he's comfortable with you. And I think when you talk
Speaker 1: about the blocking scheme and you talk about all those
Speaker 1: different type of things, well, one, you can still go
Speaker 1: the opposite way, right, so if he lies up on
Speaker 1: the right, you can send the guys to the left.
Speaker 1: That's not that's not that's not a hard part to do.
Speaker 1: But what you also fail to realize is is that
Speaker 1: when you have the more athletic guy on the field,
Speaker 1: now I dictate what the defense does. Now, you can't
Speaker 1: have that big lug on the defenside of the ball.
Speaker 1: You gotta bring in Nickel, you gotta bring in dime,
Speaker 1: you gotta bring in some specialty player because he's too
Speaker 1: fast for a linebacker and he's too big for a
Speaker 1: Nickel or Dime or safety. So now what I'm doing
Speaker 1: is when I spread these guys out, I bring in
Speaker 1: guys who make business decisions about tackling. And so that's
Speaker 1: what the point where I'm saying, I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take my chances with twenty one in the backfield and
Speaker 1: some guy with the number thirty or twenty or single
Speaker 1: digit or whatever, whatever whatever number you want. Now I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take my chance with them trying to tackle him
Speaker 1: over and over and over again and again. If you're
Speaker 1: if you're gonna, if you're gonna give me crop top zeke,
Speaker 1: then the guy out there a number twenty shouldn't tackle you.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna give me crop top zeke, if you're
Speaker 1: gonna show me that this is the new one approved zeke,
Speaker 1: or you're going back to where you was when you
Speaker 1: first got here, then the guy from the secondary shouldn't
Speaker 1: be able to tackle you. When you start bringing in
Speaker 1: those bigger guys. Now you're bringing guys with the fifties
Speaker 1: and the fortage on their numbers, and they are willing
Speaker 1: to tackle. They want to get in there, and they
Speaker 1: want to muck it up a little bit. I like
Speaker 1: the idea of spreading these guys out and now having
Speaker 1: these other guys have to come up on a consistent
Speaker 1: basis and have to put their shoulder up against twenty one.
Speaker 1: I like my chances with twenty one in that situation
Speaker 1: all day long, and now you get that when you
Speaker 1: have Blake Jarwin in there, because even to your point,
Speaker 1: if that's going to be Dak's primary read over the
Speaker 1: middle short getting the ball out quick, well, I want
Speaker 1: the guy who does a little bit better than the
Speaker 1: other guy. I want a guy who does it quicker
Speaker 1: and more athletically, who can body you up and once
Speaker 1: he catches it. We've seen it time and time again before.
Speaker 1: Remember we had this other guy that we had here
Speaker 1: a long time ago. He won't umbraty two. He'll be
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, we'll get it. But it was like,
Speaker 1: you catch it that six yards, it's a six yard game.
Speaker 1: This guy can catch it that six and it'd be
Speaker 1: a twenty six yard game. I want that guy on
Speaker 1: the field as much as I possibly can because he's
Speaker 1: going to bring more dividends and more success to my
Speaker 1: offense and the other guy. Yeah, and he showed you
Speaker 1: he and I believe with you know, Jarring went down
Speaker 1: the first game all right, and Scholtz had to do
Speaker 1: it for the rest, and he showed you that he
Speaker 1: has that versatility to do it. I'm not saying, obviously,
Speaker 1: like you said, the paycheck is different, the draft order
Speaker 1: is different. All of those things, and so you realize
Speaker 1: the talent all. What I'm saying is the guy that
Speaker 1: you consider to be at the beginning of the season
Speaker 1: last year as one see, maybe he's a one B. Right,
Speaker 1: So I'm just saying I don't want to just relegate
Speaker 1: this guy to the jumpster. I just think he has
Speaker 1: he has. You are elated that you have him on
Speaker 1: your roster at this point, Yeah, absolutely, with that, with
Speaker 1: that year of experience he would have. I want to
Speaker 1: call him to Okay, okay, don't just no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: just don't just give me the okay, Jesse, come on,
Speaker 1: don't work. If you wouldn't, I want to fight. I
Speaker 1: want to argue. They are not on the same line.
Speaker 1: They're not in the same dog. Okay, atmosphere, all right,
Speaker 1: chart you don't see one A one be on the
Speaker 1: depth chart. You see one and then you see two.
Speaker 1: He's two. Well, we got two people that just went
Speaker 1: to space. One person went here, other person went ten
Speaker 1: miles further. So they both went to space. But one
Speaker 1: person a just one was one, one was two. You know,
Speaker 1: one guy will play a lot of special teams, the
Speaker 1: other one won't. Huh. I can already tell that the
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