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Speaker 2: But enough with that, let's get to the show. Good morning, everybody,

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Speaker 2: Happy Thursday. We have an amazing show for everybody today.

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Speaker 2: What do we have, Crystal?

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Speaker 1: Indeed we do because soccer is back. Congratulations, my friend.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate you still getting used to this wedding ring? I'm

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a little weird? Looks goody weird?

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Speaker 2: What do we have?

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Speaker 1: Notice? Is there? Very all right? So a lot to

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Speaker 1: get to you in the show. Biden gave his long

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Speaker 1: that very brief interesting break that down for you. We

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Speaker 1: also have new polls helping us to understand where Kamala

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Speaker 1: A though I Still it's a little bit early to

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Speaker 1: but we're going to dig into how she's doing among

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Speaker 1: And we also are taking a look at the latest

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Speaker 1: revelations with regard to the attempted assassination attempt, attempt at

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Speaker 1: you all of those details, which just continue, honestly to shock.

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Speaker 2: The entire thing is. While it's one of those stories

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Speaker 1: The agents needs to be good, wouldn't answer any just

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Speaker 2: We're getting more detail only from the FBI director, luckily,

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Speaker 2: As Crystal said, with Joe Biden, he finally broke his silence.

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Speaker 2: We hadn't heard from him in quite a long time.

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Speaker 2: take a listen, my fellow Americans.

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Speaker 3: I'm speaking of tonight from behind the resolute tesk in

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Speaker 3: But in the defense of democracy, which is at stake,

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Speaker 3: But this sacred task of perfecting our union, it's not

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is incredibly stunning, Crystal. I mean, just

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Speaker 2: We literally have an RFK in the race, a one

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Speaker 1: So, to be honest with you, I felt like a

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Speaker 2: For people who watch the speech, he said very clearly,

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Speaker 1: What do you make they want? Spoiler lie? I know

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Speaker 1: he you know, was sort of like holding off out

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Speaker 1: of his anger and hope that there would be some

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Speaker 1: ability to have a different process. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: I really buy all of that, because at this point

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Speaker 1: the writing's on the wall, like he's clearly going to

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Speaker 1: endorse her. And also, if he really wanted things to

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Speaker 1: unfold that way, he could have said, he could have

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Speaker 1: done a lot more to put forward like you have

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Speaker 1: to put forward an alternative.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure I buy it either. That said, I

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Speaker 2: trust out of all of them, I'm going to trust Obama.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 2: This is a man who actually got himself elected president.

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Speaker 1: On the other hand, he's the one who anointed Hillary

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Speaker 1: and so when his political instincts outside of himself have

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Speaker 1: not been that.

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Speaker 2: Great, I could waffle it either way. I would just say,

447
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Speaker 2: there's a Napoleon alleged quote, if you're gonna take Vienna,

448
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Speaker 2: then take Fienna. So in my opinion, if you're gonna

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Speaker 2: kick Biden out, then do it, then go. If you're

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Speaker 2: gonna kick Biden out, let's go for broke and let's win.

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Speaker 2: That's what with the mindset would be. I don't know

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Speaker 2: why they chose this crazy half measure. So if I

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Speaker 2: were Obama, I'd say all right, Well, if we're getting

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Speaker 2: rid of Obama, if we're getting rid of Biden, well

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Speaker 2: then let's let's put somebody in who can win. Let's

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Speaker 2: put in a Gavin, let's put it in the gretch,

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Speaker 2: and let's put in a Shapiro. And even here, all

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Speaker 2: four of those people would run more than Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 2: I mean even Gretchen Whitmer. And by the way, I'm

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Speaker 2: not fans of any of these people. I don't like

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Speaker 2: any of these people, but I can read a poll

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Speaker 2: and I can understand too where that breadth of fresh air,

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Speaker 2: that ability to I mean, look at the enthusiasm that

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Speaker 2: hasn't been engendered from Kamala. Now imagine it times fifty.

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Speaker 2: I think for somebody who literally came out of left field,

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Speaker 2: I think it would be even more. For Democrats, people

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Speaker 2: would be excited, especially if you were able to put

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Speaker 2: a ticket out there. So I think it was a

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Speaker 2: huge missed opportunity. But you know, I don't know, do

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Speaker 2: we go to the next element.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Jean Pierre doing her hearing.

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Speaker 2: Here's Karen Jean Pierre being asked why if Biden is

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Speaker 2: going to resign or if Biden is not going to run.

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Speaker 2: Why doesn't he just resign? How can we have any

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Speaker 2: confidence that he can even stay in the job. Here's

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Speaker 2: her word, solid of an answer.

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Speaker 5: The President believes that it's best for the country that

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Speaker 5: he not being in the oval office for another four years.

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Speaker 5: How can you assure the American people that he's up

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Speaker 5: to be in the office for the next six months.

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Speaker 6: Well, first I would say is that and I've heard

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Speaker 6: these suggestions out there. This is not an answer to you.

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Speaker 6: This is an answer to the suggestions that I've had

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Speaker 6: have heard about him resigning from office. We believe and

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Speaker 6: any suggestion of that note is ridiculous. It is not

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Speaker 6: what we believe the president. I just laid out what

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Speaker 6: the president has been able to do in almost four years,

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Speaker 6: and it's been successful. He's been able to do more,

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Speaker 6: again than any president has been able to do in

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Speaker 6: two terms.

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Speaker 1: He's been able to do that more in one term.

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Speaker 6: And he wants to finish the job that he started

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Speaker 6: and bring more historic results for the American people. And look,

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Speaker 6: he didn't step down from campaigning or from running because

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Speaker 6: he didn't believe he can serve in.

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Speaker 1: A second term.

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Speaker 6: That is not why, and what I would say is

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Speaker 6: I just finished my opening. I would say, tune in,

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Speaker 6: tune into what he has to say tonight, and he

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Speaker 6: will lay that out for three you all and the

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Speaker 6: American people as to why he made that decision.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, that's their line. It's not that he couldn't run,

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Speaker 2: and it's not that he if he was elected, he

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Speaker 2: couldn't serve. It's just that he decided not to run

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Speaker 2: because everyone said that you can't run and you can't serve,

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Speaker 2: and he can't win.

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Speaker 5: Oh.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the tortured logic of this is just absurd.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know. I mean, at a certain point,

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Speaker 2: what the next six to seven months are or is

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Speaker 2: it five months? I think until January, right, something like that.

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Speaker 2: Let's go with that.

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Speaker 1: Nobody checked my overuntil January.

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Speaker 2: Or yes, until he was actually gonna present until January

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Speaker 2: twenty eight. Yeah, I mean, this is like an Edith

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Speaker 2: Wilson situation. Honestly, like just at the very end of

517
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Speaker 2: Drow Wilson's second term, where he's basically totally incapacitated, all

518
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Speaker 2: the people around him are running the entire government. Every

519
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Speaker 2: once in a while, the old man will show up,

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Speaker 2: like today for his meeting with BB I mean, his

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Speaker 2: old instincts will show up, be like, oh we love you, Bbe,

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Speaker 2: you know something like that. Yeah, no nobody stood, now

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Speaker 2: did you in the world will be safe if it

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Speaker 2: wouldn't for you personally, BB, And everyone's gonna be like,

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Speaker 2: oh my god, And that's it. That's who are who's

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Speaker 2: running our country. So let's all hope and pray that

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Speaker 2: everything works out for the next till January, because I'm worried.

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Speaker 2: I'm frankly more worried today than ever before in terms

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Speaker 2: of if he's truly unshackled. I mean, what are his

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Speaker 2: real instincts here on Ukraine on Gaza? I have no idea.

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Speaker 2: And that's actually, frankly a more terrifying concept.

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Speaker 1: I think we've seen his true instincts on Ukraine and Gaza.

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Speaker 1: And that's the point, is like, that's it's already been

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Speaker 1: disastrous because I am very much of the view that

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Speaker 1: he doesn't have anything really to do with domestic policy.

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Speaker 1: He really doesn't care about the host policy at all.

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Speaker 1: You can't like drag him to talk to about it.

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Speaker 1: Kicking Instraight doesn't even know his own housing policy that

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Speaker 1: he was floating. If he was going to continue his reelection.

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Speaker 1: He's checked out on domestic policy and whoever the agency

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Speaker 1: heads or his top aids or whatever are running the

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Speaker 1: show there. He has kept his grip on foreign policy

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Speaker 1: with regard to Ukraine and NATO and Israel in particular,

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Speaker 1: and it has been it's been disastrous. It's been utterly disastrous.

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Speaker 1: And a part of that does come from this rigidity

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Speaker 1: of his old age and inability to process new information

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Speaker 1: and a new landscape, et cetera, and weakness and feebleness

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Speaker 1: when it comes to his dealings with Benjamin Netniahu. So

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Speaker 1: it's already had a very damaging effect. And the other

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Speaker 1: thing I would say, yeah, I'm curious your view on this.

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Speaker 1: Sober again to the oh, he's such a hairines blah

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Speaker 1: blah blah. I actually think that if he resigned, No,

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Speaker 1: that's heroic, that would be. That would be And if

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Speaker 1: you're goal is for Kamala Harris to win, I think

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Speaker 1: that would benefit her too, because one of the challenges

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Speaker 1: of any candidate, but especially a black female candidate, can

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Speaker 1: we see her in the role and you know the

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Speaker 1: fact she's vice perriendent. Okay, that helps, but let's be honest.

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Speaker 1: They've basically hit her for three years because they were

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Speaker 1: afraid after the less Hold interviewed, and it goes so

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Speaker 1: well of what she would say, which I have to say,

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Speaker 1: seeing her now and how effective she's been, especially since

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Speaker 1: the Biden debate happened, I think that was a mistake

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Speaker 1: because she's better than they seemed to think that she was.

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Speaker 1: But in any case, she hasn't been in front of

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Speaker 1: the public wearing that mantle of vice president in all

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Speaker 1: these very public meetings with fourid heads of states, etc.

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Speaker 1: Which is what gives the vice president typically such an

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Speaker 1: edge in electoral contest because even though they weren't the president,

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Speaker 1: people kind of can easily see them in that role.

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Speaker 1: She hasn't really had the benefit of that. So if

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Speaker 1: you really wanted to set her up for success, if

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Speaker 1: you really wanted to be some listen like, you know,

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Speaker 1: past the torch, et cetera. He would resign now on

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Speaker 1: a reflection of his own decline and inability to do

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Speaker 1: the job, and out of a desire to you know,

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Speaker 1: allow people to imagine her in the role and to

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Speaker 1: test the metal of her in this capacity as well.

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Speaker 1: But obviously he's not going to do that, So we

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Speaker 1: have a lot of polling to indicate early early days

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Speaker 1: what this matchup is going to look like, and the

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Speaker 1: TLDR from all of the polls that have come out,

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Speaker 1: which there have been a number that have come out

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Speaker 1: since the Biden dropout, but only in select few where

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Speaker 1: they were in the field wholly after the dropout. Basically,

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Speaker 1: what it looks like is Kamala Harris is doing better

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Speaker 1: than Biden, but she is still not winning the race.

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Speaker 1: It's either a toss up or she's slightly behind Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: CNN had a really interesting poll. There's just go and

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Speaker 1: put this up on the screen while I talk about it.

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Speaker 1: Part of why this pole in particular was so interesting

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Speaker 1: is because they pulled a lot of the same people.

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Speaker 1: They pulled like the same panel that they had pulled

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Speaker 1: previously when it was Biden, So you could truly see

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Speaker 1: was their movement even among these same individuals, and there

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Speaker 1: was Trump in The overall number is at forty nine

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Speaker 1: percent support among these registered voters, Harris is at forty six,

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Speaker 1: so again still losing, although I believe within the margin

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Speaker 1: of error close there too, but that is closer than

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Speaker 1: an earlier contest which found Trump with a six point

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Speaker 1: margin over Biden. Keep this up on the screen. Let

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Speaker 1: me just talk through this. So when you dig down

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Speaker 1: into the demographic groups, you could see the areas where

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Speaker 1: Kamala improves on Biden's performance. She is doing better among

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Speaker 1: young voters, she picks up eleven points. She's doing better

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Speaker 1: among black voters, she picks up sixteen points. And she's

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Speaker 1: doing better among female voters, she picks up five points.

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Speaker 1: Now I believe she also sees some erosion among those

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Speaker 1: like older white voters who have been riding with Biden.

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Speaker 1: And so we'll talk a little bit more about this

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Speaker 1: in a moment. But this represents kind of a reversion

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Speaker 1: to the expected Democratic coalition versus rumbarsacer We were looking

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Speaker 1: at these polls where like Biden is doing terribly with

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Speaker 1: young people, but old people usually vote Republican or voting

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Speaker 1: for the Democrat. It sort of reverses some of those

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Speaker 1: stranger elements that had manifested themselves when the contest was

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Speaker 1: Trump versus Biden.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, there's so I think I'm just going

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Speaker 2: to put my flag down and just say it's too

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Speaker 2: early because America has not seen enough yet. All they've

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Speaker 2: seen is the name we haven't seen the speeches. We

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Speaker 2: haven't really frankly even seen much of Trump, right, we

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Speaker 2: just had the R and C. I heard the speech

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Speaker 2: was long. That's what a lot of friends told me.

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Speaker 1: When it was very long.

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Speaker 2: They're like, well, it was good for the first ten minutes.

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Speaker 1: I was like, well, how long was it.

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Speaker 2: They're like, oh, an hour and twenty. I was like, oh, man, okay,

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Speaker 2: I think it.

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Speaker 1: Was more than that. Actually that's been felt.

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Speaker 2: Like I saw statistic as the longest speech is nineteen

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Speaker 2: fifty five, which is certainly something. So okay. So we've

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Speaker 2: got Donald Trump, and Trump is basically back, I would say,

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Speaker 2: to the mean, just the last night, I believe he

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00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 2: was like I said, I was going to be nice,

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Speaker 2: but can I not be nice tonight? And I was like,

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00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 2: here he is, he's back. So Trump in advance, let's

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00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 2: see what how they're going to react, because we haven't

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Speaker 2: fully gotten the Kamala stuff. They were very very much

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Speaker 2: hoping that Kamala or that Joe Biden would not drop

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Speaker 2: out of the race. That was their hope and their prayer. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and I mean they were correct in that assumption. I

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Speaker 2: would say, I'm just back to where I was pre

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Speaker 2: debate for the Democratic chances. So before the debate, I said,

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Speaker 2: I think Biden's got a forty percent shot, and I

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00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 2: think Trump's got about sixty. I think I'm back to

647
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Speaker 2: that now after the debate, I would have said Trump

648
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 2: has a ninety percent shot. Yeah, and you know, so, look,

649
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 2: it's better. It's definitely better. I would rather be Harris

650
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 2: and I would be Biden. There's still a lot stronger

651
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 2: Democratic candidates, and there are a lot comes down to choices,

652
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 2: as in, what are the coalitions, who are we trying

653
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 2: to win? If I am them, I'm not going to

654
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 2: get pie in the sky and crazy. I'm going for

655
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Speaker 2: two hundred and seventy one electrawlve votes and that's it,

656
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Speaker 2: and that's all I care about. I don't even care

657
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 2: about the popular vote. I'm going for Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin.

658
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 2: If we win Georgia, that's great, that's great. But I

659
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 2: am going all in on those three. So that's going

660
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 2: to talk a lot about how their VP selection is. Now,

661
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 2: VP selection usually doesn't matter. I think it will matter

662
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 2: much more in this case in terms of who you

663
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Speaker 2: pick and what you're trying to do. But I think

664
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Speaker 2: it also comes back to who she is and what

665
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 2: she's trying to do. Her case against Trump, her strongest

666
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 2: case goes back to a so called cop days and prosecutor.

667
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 2: I actually think there's something to it. We've always said here,

668
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 2: you know, for a lot of normies being a quote

669
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Speaker 2: unquote convicted felon, it's a problem, like, let's be honest,

670
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 2: it is a problem that's suburban moderate voter. I also

671
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 2: think the row row row your vote is going to

672
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 2: be more salient than ever before. So there are two choices.

673
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 2: This will either be the immigration economy election in a

674
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 2: Trump win, or it will be the abortion and economy

675
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 2: election and there will be a Kamala Harris win. Both

676
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 2: are actually quite narrow and how they will look on

677
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 2: the electoral map. But if I am Kamala, it's all

678
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 2: abortion all the time to bat our economy. They will

679
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 2: battle it out. Trump generally has the edge on the economy.

680
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 2: He's got a lot of people have very good feelings

681
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 2: about the economy from back in twenty nineteen. Kamala also

682
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 2: has the noose around her neck quite literally, of Biden

683
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 2: inflation and of a lot of the policy that most

684
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 2: people objectively did not feel like. Things were going so well.

685
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 2: That's part of the reason. If I were the Democrats,

686
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 2: I would have picked somebody else, because I don't want

687
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 2: somebody with that baggage who could present a real thing.

688
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 2: But I want to see how she goes up on

689
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 2: the air. She's got a ton of money. Now, she's

690
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 2: got a ton of enthusiasm. Yeah, that's huge. I want

691
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 2: to capitalize the hell out of that, and I want

692
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Speaker 2: from them. I'm just going all in on abortion. Where

693
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 2: we're running the twenty twenty two playbook and we're going

694
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Speaker 2: all the way to the end.

695
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Speaker 1: She is a much so her strengths as a candidate

696
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: are She's a much more credible messenger on abortion. She's

697
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: comfortable talking about it.

698
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 2: Yeah she is.

699
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Speaker 1: Joe Biden, he didn't want to talk about this, but

700
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: he doesn't even agree really on the issue. He just

701
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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, he's always been basically anti choice,

702
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: pro life Democrat up until there are recent times when

703
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: that was no longer sustainable, very uncomfortable talking about it,

704
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: not credible on the issue. Kamon aras much much better

705
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: messenger there. And our gender is a real asset there.

706
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Speaker 2: I think that's actually where it is a real app Yeah.

707
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 1: It's a genuine asset. And you know, we'll get into

708
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: some of the attacks, but you know, the one of

709
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: the better attacks. I think that their main owners like oh,

710
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: radical California, et cetera, et cetera. It lands a little

711
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 1: bit different when the culture war landscape now in the

712
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: most dominant issue is one where the majority of the

713
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 1: voters agree with the war liberal take. So it's not

714
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: as effective a hit as it could be in a

715
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: different culture war landscape than we're seeing right now. I

716
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 1: agree with you. I think it's too early to say

717
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: where we are. Vis of you, the polls the most

718
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: hopeful case for Democrats, and I think there's a lot

719
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: to this. By the way, is the big thing that

720
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 1: was holding Biden back was just he's two frigids old.

721
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: I brought it up a million times. Those were clouds.

722
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,240
Speaker 1: So we did where the number one thing people said old.

723
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,720
Speaker 1: And you look at every single Democrat running in the country,

724
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: and they are outperforming him. Whether they're a great candidate

725
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: or a bad candidate, or a middle of the road candidate,

726
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: whether they're progressive or moderator, wherever they are, they are

727
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: all outperforming Joe Biden. And so the hope is that

728
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: you know, yes, Kamala has her weaknesses, but maybe just

729
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: having a sort of like replacement level decent okay, can

730
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: formulate a sentence, can deliver a teleprompter speech candidate, that

731
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: may be enough. And I don't think that's crazy. I

732
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: think the data actually would indicate that probably is where

733
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: this election is the reason I would say to hold

734
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: on these polls and see where things shake down in

735
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. This has been an insane few

736
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: weeks of politics. Insane, like I think you would struggle

737
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 1: to find another historic period where as much has unfolded

738
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: in so short a time period. So on the one hand,

739
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 1: you have Kamala Harris what the Trump people put on

740
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: a Mama saying she's having her honeymoon period, right, And

741
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: I think that's true. I think people are projecting on her,

742
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: including lefties, including the K I like everybody is projecting

743
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: on her, who's left of center, whatever they want her

744
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: to be, right, that is going to come into contact

745
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: with reality at some point, and she's common here, She's

746
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: going to have some moment that's awkward and not good

747
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: and shows her not put in a riddle that those

748
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: things are going to happen. So I do think she's

749
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: in a honeymoon period. True, Trump is also in a

750
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 1: sort of honeymoon period post assassination attempt and post RNC. Right, yes,

751
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,760
Speaker 1: the speech was long or or whatever, but parties candidates

752
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: almost always get a bump coming out of their own convention,

753
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: and Trump has his approval ratings right now are the

754
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: highest they've like almost ever been between the you know,

755
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: the way he looks strong coming out of the assassination

756
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: attempt and the rally round the flag sort of a

757
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: dynamic there, and coming out of his own parties convention,

758
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: et cetera. So he also is in a sort of

759
00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: honeymoon period. So you know, once you get in to

760
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: the slog of the campaign season, how do these things

761
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: shake out? And the truth of the matter is, we

762
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:08,439
Speaker 1: really don't know at this point.

763
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 2: Period of uncertainty today is just as high. I was

764
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 2: talking with the crew and I said, this is probably

765
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 2: the craziest twenty five day period or whatever since nine eleven. Now,

766
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,439
Speaker 2: nine eleven was definitely crazier. Don't worry. But my point

767
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 2: is that a paradigm shift, I mean, everything literally changed.

768
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 2: Historic events happened day after day with almost very little

769
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 2: time of reflection. Right. Part of the reason I'm actually

770
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 2: kind of happy I wasn't there is I actually got

771
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 2: to sit and think, and I was like, this is crazy.

772
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 2: I was like, this is this is actually what it

773
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 2: was like to get married or and take some time

774
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 2: off or whatever on nine seventeen or after nineteen sixty eight.

775
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 2: You know, my sympathy to all those people at that

776
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 2: time because you're just sitting there and thinking, you know,

777
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 2: especially for somebody who's success with history like me, and

778
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 2: I'm going back to sixty eight in my head, and

779
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 2: I'm going back to nineteen twelve or whatever in my

780
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,280
Speaker 2: head and thinking about third party candidates and the convention

781
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 2: and all of the But then, you know, overlaying social

782
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 2: media on top of that, the assassination attempt, and I mean,

783
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 2: have we really grappled with the fact that Trump was

784
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 2: inches from death, Like not really and what what the

785
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 2: you know, the true decision tree from that looks like.

786
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 2: And then on top of old news, it literally is

787
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 2: already old news. I mean, he's already a back out there,

788
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 2: he's already on campaign trails, like barely even mentioning it.

789
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,280
Speaker 2: I mean, to a certain extent, there's a strength of democracy,

790
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 2: right is that everyone's kind of just like, yeah, that

791
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 2: was crazy. Hope we create some security, but you know,

792
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 2: the show must go on. I think that's good. But

793
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 2: let's also sit and must ruminate a little bit and say, wow,

794
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 2: we have a new candidate here for president. Literally everything

795
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 2: is on the table. That's part of the reason why

796
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 2: there is a honeymoon period, because we don't know a

797
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 2: lot about this lady. I mean, she ran in a

798
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 2: machine state in California. It takes some positions, but not

799
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 2: really you know, as a center let's be honest, like

800
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 2: you don't really do much. Anyways, she wasn't there that

801
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 2: long and then she was the vice president. She's been

802
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 2: in a closet for three years. Last time a star

803
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 2: on the stage was during the Democratic debate. Didn't do

804
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 2: so well then, So it's like, now, what you know,

805
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 2: who are you? And I think that's a real question

806
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,919
Speaker 2: too for Kamala And this is part of the reason

807
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 2: that I think one of her political strengths. I don't

808
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 2: think this lady believes it basically anything, And actually I

809
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 2: think that's to a benefit. You know, where you can

810
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 2: become the chameleon for the moment of what you need

811
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 2: to be well. And that is where I really want

812
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 2: to see. Does she have good instincts or not? What

813
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 2: are you going for? What are you going to try?

814
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 2: And do you have to navigate some very tricky problems here?

815
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 2: We've got Israel, Gaza, We've got abortion. How do we

816
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 2: talk about abortion? How are we going to quote unquote

817
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 2: prosecute the case against Trump? Are we gonna do it

818
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 2: with the cringeway. Are we gonna do it the way

819
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 2: that a lot of normies do right this little bit

820
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 2: of overlap, or we're going all in on MSNBC democracy stuff.

821
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 2: Are we looking at our polling? Are we gonna make

822
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 2: smart choices and our candidates now there's a countervailing evidence everywhere.

823
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 2: Are we gonna pick good people? It's one of the

824
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 2: most important things. She's had crazy staff turnover. One of

825
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 2: the things I think against Kamala is this lady as

826
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 2: bad judgment whenever it comes to staff.

827
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Speaker 1: Her campaign, you remember all those stories was a mess?

828
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,280
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, total mess. Well, her staff is the highest

829
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 2: staff turnover in the West wing. So I mean these

830
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 2: are not good things, you know, for a chief executive.

831
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Speaker 2: And they also tell us about what it means whenever

832
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 2: we start to run, you know, in the actual election too,

833
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 2: and who were annoying to who are going to pick?

834
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Speaker 2: What's our process look like? These things really matter at

835
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Speaker 2: the highest level.

836
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Speaker 1: In some ways, this contradicts a little bit of what

837
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: we said earlier about how Democrats would be in a

838
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: better position if they had actually had a democratic I

839
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: still believe that because I think they would have had

840
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Speaker 1: a chance of picking a better candidate than Kamala Harris.

841
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 1: But if you were going to end up with Kamala Harris,

842
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: this is kind of an ideal scenario for her, I

843
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 1: totally agree with because the short time frame benefits her. Right.

844
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Speaker 1: Obama's magic was that ability to maintain the illusion of

845
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 1: I will be whoever you want me to be. That's

846
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Speaker 1: who I am.

847
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:34,919
Speaker 2: Yes.

848
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Speaker 1: Do I think Kamala is Obama level talent?

849
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Speaker 5: No?

850
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Speaker 1: I mean Obama was a you know, historic generational level

851
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: political talent. Whatever you think of him, And you guys know,

852
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: I'm not a big fan, but in terms of political talent,

853
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: this man is very talented. He was able to continue

854
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 1: and maintain that mystique even for even really into his

855
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: presidency and into his real life.

856
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 2: Hey, the man won all that actually and that is.

857
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: A remarkable talent and skill. Does she have the skill? Now?

858
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: Can she maintain the sort of magic trick of illusion

859
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: for three months? Maybe in a very tightly you know,

860
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: going out and giving her speeches and very tightly controlled

861
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Speaker 1: you know, they're not going to put her out to

862
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 1: the wolves in terms of interviews. They're going to send

863
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: her out to friendly people, et cetera, et cetera. So

864
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 1: there's that. There's also the fact, as you said, where

865
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: did she fail in the primary part of it was

866
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: she was a terrible manager, and she could not put

867
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Speaker 1: a campaign team together that could stay together, and she

868
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: could not settle on a message. She doesn't have to

869
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: do that. She has a campaign and she's taking over

870
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: the Biden campaign team, right She's taking on the campaignage.

871
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: So the HQ, the money's coming out, everything is just

872
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: like campaign in a box. Here you go. They've already

873
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 1: decided what their messaging is and it's not hard to

874
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 1: figure out they're going to do basically like these people

875
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: are fringe, extreme, dangerous and abortion. And she's also trying

876
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: to lean into some like you know of the Biden

877
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: is like I'm going to be a candidate for the

878
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: middle class she's talking about that as well. She already

879
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,479
Speaker 1: has a message set because that was the other knock

880
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: on her campaign. Legitimate is that like she changed her

881
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: campaign slogans every season. Remember when he first campaign it

882
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: said that is every season we had a new campaign slogan.

883
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: So she eliminates the risk of that, like this is

884
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: your message campaign in a box, Ready, set go. So

885
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: I think all of those things are are to her

886
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: benefit now. I just talked about how she's outperforming where

887
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: Joe Biden was with young voters Israel, Gaza. How she

888
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: handles that is one of the big big question marks.

889
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: Everyone's reading the tea leaves right now, they're reading the

890
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: BB visit. We'll talk about that. The VP pick could

891
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: have ramifications there. People are giving her a lot of

892
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:51,919
Speaker 1: grace right now, but even so, she's still underperforming where

893
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: a Democrat should be with regard to young voters, and

894
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 1: there is a lot of risk that she could screw

895
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: up the You know, right now gen Z is like

896
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: in love with her and meeting her like crazy, et cetera,

897
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: et cetera. There's a lot of risk there that that

898
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: relationship could turn sour. So harry Onnsen broke down some

899
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: of the data herealistic elisia what he had to say.

900
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 7: So, I want to take a look at Trump versus

901
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 7: Democratic margin. Just remind folks where we were at the

902
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 7: end of the twenty twenty campaign. Joe Biden won voters

903
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:19,959
Speaker 7: under the age of thirty five by twenty one points.

904
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 7: What do we see with Kamala Harris. Well, she's still ahead,

905
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 7: but the margin here is significantly less than what we

906
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 7: saw with Joe Biden back in twenty twenty. She's up

907
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 7: by just nine points. You may make the argument that

908
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,399
Speaker 7: was better than Biden was doing before he got out,

909
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 7: but compared to that democratic baseline where Democrats have historically

910
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 7: and presidential elections at least this century, been carrying that

911
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 7: young vote by twenty or more percentage once, she is

912
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 7: way down from that. So if this is unique support

913
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 7: among young voters, I would like to know what non

914
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 7: unique support? Is it even worse than this?

915
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 2: Is she doing better than Biden?

916
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 7: Was this she was doing slightly better? Maybe Biden was

917
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 7: up by you know, like six on average or five.

918
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 7: This is maybe slightly better, But this is not game

919
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 7: changing stuff. Mister Burnma, all right, what have we seen

920
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 7: in terms of motivation?

921
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 5: Yeah.

922
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 7: So you know, the other thing is we talk about

923
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 7: vote choice, right, but let's also talk about motivation, right,

924
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 7: because it's not just who you would support, it's whether

925
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 7: or not you'd come out to the polls. And this

926
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 7: I think is rather interesting. Do Democrats say they're more

927
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 7: motivated to turn out after Biden left the race? Well,

928
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 7: we do see a significant portion of Democrats who say yes,

929
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 7: thirty nine percent. The thing I was interested in was

930
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 7: it disproportionately younger voters who said that they were more

931
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 7: likely to turn out or more motivated to turn out.

932
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Speaker 7: And what we see here is it's forty two percent.

933
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Speaker 7: Not a big difference between forty two and thirty nine percent.

934
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Speaker 7: So this idea again that the vice president has unique

935
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 7: potential to dig in and get young voters to turn out, John,

936
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 7: it's just not there in the numbers, despite all the

937
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 7: Internet memes that are going around.

938
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 1: So still a lot of room, you could say, still

939
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: a lot of room to grow. Maybe if she, you know,

940
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Speaker 1: continues to do improve her position with with young voters

941
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: and make some savvy moves, or people just you know,

942
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: really decide like I can vote for Trump. It seems

943
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: like right now some of what's happened. R Junior's numbers

944
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: have fallen off. The third party numbers have fallen off.

945
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: Like people who were disgusted with Joe Biden over Gaza

946
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: are giving Kamala Harris a chance. Some of that is

947
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: going on. Or they were discussed with Joe Biden just

948
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: because it was so frikin old, and now they're like,

949
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: all right, well, this lady's not really old, so this

950
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: is great, but there's still a lot of question marks

951
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 1: there about whether she can truly put back together like

952
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: the Obama style coalition that would be more her strength.

953
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: You know, you said something about if you were her,

954
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: you would go for Pennsylvania, you would just like go

955
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: all in on the industrial Midwest. I'm not one hundred

956
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 1: percent sure because the demographics in those states they were

957
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: good for Biden because he outperformed with like older white voters.

958
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: Kamala's got a different got a different coalition mix, and

959
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: you know she already we're seeing some numbers that show

960
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,919
Speaker 1: she's more in contention in those sun Belt states where

961
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: Joe and Georgia in particular, where Joe Biden was not

962
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: really and they basically all but written it off. So again,

963
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: I think it we have to see Holving shake off

964
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: shake to see where her best tell you what potential path.

965
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 2: My real thing is that if you look at the

966
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 2: economic approval in Georgia and in Arizona, Biden Harris was

967
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 2: underwater by some twenty five points, and I just don't

968
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 2: think that's possible to come back from it. Sure, you know,

969
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 2: are there a lot more black voters in Georgia who

970
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 2: might be able to come out and save her? Yeah, certainly.

971
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 2: I mean, And look, you've got Warnock and as Off

972
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 2: that are barnstorming the state for you. I wouldn't counter out,

973
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 2: but I'm not going all in. And so when you

974
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 2: look at the math and you look at the margins too,

975
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 2: we have some state by state polling, maybe we can

976
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 2: actually put this in afterwards. I'm just going to reference

977
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 2: this is a new Hill Emerson Pole. It kind of

978
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 2: bears out what I'm saying. If you look at Wisconsin,

979
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 2: this has just came out this morning. They were in

980
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 2: the field after the Biden drop out. Trump and Harris

981
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 2: are tied in Wisconsin. Trump is up by five in Arizona,

982
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 2: He's up by two in Georgia, up by one in Michigan,

983
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 2: and up by two in Pennsylvania. The tightest margin is

984
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 2: in the industrial Midwest. You've got whit Merge. You can

985
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 2: try and hold down the fourth there. In Michigan, you

986
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 2: don't have the Gaza sink that you used to maybe,

987
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 2: you know, if I were rum all away from it,

988
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,280
Speaker 2: you know, honestly, try not to even take a position

989
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 2: that's gonna be tough. But you know, if anybody could

990
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 2: do it, it could be her. If you picked Shapiro

991
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 2: or somebody like that for Pennsylvania. He's enormously popular governors.

992
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: The Gaza thing, that's sure problem for her there.

993
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 2: How many people Arabs and dearborn are you really going

994
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 2: to vote on the VP pick like, look like it's complicated.

995
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 2: We'll see. I think she's gonna get more grace no

996
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 2: matter what.

997
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 1: Right, we'll talk about that more of the vpoplet right, Yes.

998
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 2: We get Shapiro there, we can hold down Pennsylvania. You've

999
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 2: only got to win it by point one. That's the

1000
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 2: only thing that actually matters. And then say Wisconsin. Biden

1001
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 2: was tied with Trump in Wisconsin, so Wisconsin has always

1002
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 2: been I mean, remember this, what did he win it

1003
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 2: by a couple ten thousand votes or something? In twenty sixteen,

1004
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 2: it was close, so you know already you had Biden

1005
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,760
Speaker 2: roughly there. So if I'm Harris, I'm feeling more confident

1006
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 2: we can get some people to turn out in Milwaukee.

1007
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 2: Uh and you could try, you know, things there and

1008
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 2: we'll just see how things go. Whereas Georgia the Sun Belt,

1009
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 2: I just think the Sun Belt economically, there has never

1010
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 2: been more pessimism the Sun Belt today. And if you

1011
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 2: think too about who these new voters are, all the

1012
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 2: people who moved to Arizona, Georgia, Texas, and all these

1013
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 2: people are all blue refugees from New York and California,

1014
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 2: They're all going to be voting red. I think at

1015
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 2: least they're going to be voting red. And so I

1016
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 2: wouldn't I wouldn't go all in there, but I need

1017
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 2: to see too some polling. I mean, I think Georgia.

1018
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 2: Georgia is the one state where I think it was

1019
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 2: totally lost nor Biden and is winnable now under Harris.

1020
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 1: But remember too, because she does better so far. Again,

1021
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: this is all so early, but she also appears to

1022
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 1: do better among Latina's. Let's put this next piece up

1023
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: on the screen, just because one of the questions is

1024
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: how much, Okay, how much of Biden's lag was his

1025
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: policies and how much was just his age very undefined question.

1026
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 1: And then the other question is how much are Republicans

1027
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: going to be successful in tying Kamala to Biden?

1028
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 2: Right?

1029
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: And they want to do that, They're already trying to

1030
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: do that so far. The early indicators, the early data

1031
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: is that while Harris is seen as a liberal, she

1032
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: does enjoy perception advantages over Biden. Even when you look

1033
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: at the issues, they view her as closer to their

1034
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: views than Biden on inflation by ten percentage points, government

1035
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: spending by ten percentage points, immigration, I'm actually surprised by

1036
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:21,479
Speaker 1: this one by fifteen percentage points, abortion by eight percentage points,

1037
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 1: and even corruption plus thirteen. We can go to the

1038
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:29,879
Speaker 1: next slide. This is from this same analysis of where

1039
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris performs well on the issues and where she struggles.

1040
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 1: It's not going to surprise you. The best issue for

1041
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: her net of trust Harris over Trump is reproductive rights

1042
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: than climate and environment, improving the healthcare system, reducing racial

1043
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: tension in the country, making sure everyone can get a

1044
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: good education, protecting social security like sort of a typical

1045
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 1: list of liberal priorities, and then at the bottom those

1046
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: same issues that dogged Joe Biden, securing the border, immigration, police,

1047
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 1: and crime, although she's only minus two on that, which

1048
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: a little bit surprised about there as interesting. Maybe it

1049
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 1: goes back to her kut mala cut maladay.

1050
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 2: We talk about any credibility she still has on that one.

1051
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: But in any case, you know, I thought the comparison

1052
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Speaker 1: with Biden was really interesting to me that people had

1053
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 1: separate views from her, at least at this point than

1054
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: they had on you know, with Biden on inflation, et cetera.

1055
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,439
Speaker 1: But I also am fairly persuaded that the biggest issue

1056
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: Joe Biden had wasn't really an issue problem. It was

1057
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:28,240
Speaker 1: an age problem.

1058
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 2: I think age it's like bone marrow. It was at

1059
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 2: the center of everything with the conversation with Biden. Now

1060
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 2: that said, I mean, the economy is still bet like

1061
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 2: I think, it's bad for the average middle class person.

1062
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 2: So that's why I would never have picked the incumbent

1063
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 2: vice president. I want to pick somebody from a more

1064
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 2: dynamic and an interesting state that genuinely understands some of

1065
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 2: the middle class like economic concerns, and I want to

1066
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Speaker 2: pick somebody who's got a real track record of at

1067
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Speaker 2: least trying to work on that. I've seen Kyle talk

1068
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 2: about Tim Waltz. I mean, these are people that I

1069
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,919
Speaker 2: would really want to work for, right and I would

1070
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 2: really want to I would want to put that forward

1071
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Speaker 2: because that is a contrast to the Trump, you know era,

1072
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Speaker 2: and to a real vision also post twenty twenty four,

1073
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:08,959
Speaker 2: where with Kamala it's like, what are you gonna do? Biden,

1074
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 2: Plus it's like, okay, I mean, look great, but that's

1075
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 2: not anything all that interesting. And so for her, I

1076
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:17,760
Speaker 2: think it's I think it's just like I said earlier,

1077
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 2: it's gonna be the immigration economy election or it's going

1078
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 2: to be the abortion economy election, and it's gonna be

1079
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 2: a slog and it's gonna be a battle to the

1080
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 2: death between those two. And the definition wars, I mean

1081
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 2: the amount of money that's going to be spent on

1082
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 2: Kamala crime, Kamala borders are Kamala open border on the

1083
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 2: Republican side, That's what I would do too if I

1084
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 2: was going up against her, because it is also probably

1085
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 2: the area where they genuinely disagree the most. And then

1086
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 2: you flip it on abortion. And you know, you've got

1087
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 2: JD who's got pass comments on abortion, and then you've

1088
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 2: got Trump who literally had Roe versus Wade overturned and

1089
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 2: appointed those people. That is as good of a contrast

1090
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 2: as I could ask for. And that's also where you

1091
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 2: can make it. There's a famous you know, Barry Goldwater quote,

1092
00:51:57,719 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 2: the time for choosing that moment. This is a time

1093
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 2: for choosing on those two issues. So whichever you can

1094
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 2: get people to care the most about and define the other.

1095
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 2: On economy, I think they're kind of washed, frankly for

1096
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 2: both because you've decent hits against both. You know, Trump

1097
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 2: on TCJA and extension, but he didn't have inflation. Kamala

1098
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 2: you've got you know, whatever she's promising middle class agenda.

1099
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:18,399
Speaker 2: I don't know how much you believe that, but maybe

1100
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,399
Speaker 2: and then you but you've also got inflation. On those two,

1101
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 2: I think they relatively cancel each other out. So those

1102
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 2: are the two issues that I think are define this elet.

1103
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: I would I would throw another one into the mix.

1104
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: I mean, the midterms turned on the reason there wasn't

1105
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 1: a red wave, even though all the numbers seem to indicate, like, oh,

1106
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: they've got a big problem on inflation and immigration. It

1107
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: was abortion and it was extremeistly a good point. It

1108
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:42,240
Speaker 1: was the sense of like, these people are really fringed,

1109
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,919
Speaker 1: they're weird. You know, they're saying stuff that's just out there,

1110
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: and you know, that was what ended up being the

1111
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: really determining factor in the midterms. And so I think

1112
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 1: that's what that's what the Democrats are hoping. Those are

1113
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: the still the issues that control and end up being

1114
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: the most persuasive to swing voters, you know, wherever they

1115
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: may live. So I want to move on.

1116
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 2: We do have.

1117
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 1: Let me just show you this Pennsylvania poll real quick.

1118
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: B seven. You already refer to some battleground polling, but

1119
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: this was another poll. This was actually commissioned by Republicans,

1120
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: which is interesting but and it's I think a B

1121
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: rated polster, so not an A rated polster, but still

1122
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: not bad. You got Trump winning, but only by two

1123
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: better than what we've been seeing from Biden recently. You

1124
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: have Bob Casey the Democrat, holding an eight point advantage

1125
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 1: over McCormick. Dave McCormick is that his name? The Republican,

1126
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 1: So again you still still see swing state democrats out

1127
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:40,919
Speaker 1: performing the top of the ticket, but it's a little

1128
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 1: better than what they were doing with Biden. It gives

1129
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: them a shot put b eight up on the screen.

1130
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 1: This was an analysis from Nate Cone over the New

1131
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 1: York Times, their data guy, how Kamala Harris changes the race.

1132
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,959
Speaker 1: One thing she's it is a good piece. Three things

1133
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: that he points to. Number one, the original dynamic was

1134
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: Trump being a change candidate Biden being very much not

1135
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: change candidate. Harris, he says, Democrats will have another chance

1136
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: to make the case they can improve the nation's fortunes.

1137
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 1: For one, she's neither Biden nor Trump. Two figures have

1138
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 1: been in public life for decades, So she feels like

1139
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: a breath of fashhair. That's my He didn't say that,

1140
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying that. For another, she's not the president. She

1141
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 1: might be burdened by voters perceptions of mister Biden's record,

1142
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 1: but she'll have room to distinguish herself. She even has

1143
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 1: room to argue for a new direction. The other thing

1144
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 1: he refers to is the return of the usual demographic divide.

1145
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: That some of what we've been talking about is she's

1146
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: returning to more of the Obama coalitional mold, better with

1147
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: young people, better with black voters, better with Latino voters.

1148
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:39,320
Speaker 1: And he said, they say the return of issues. You know,

1149
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: with Biden, the whole thing was just about like his

1150
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: age basically. And now there'll be a little bit more

1151
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: space than the conversation for an actual conversation about how

1152
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,479
Speaker 1: these candidates would govern and what that governing agenda would

1153
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: look like. So we may see more talk of that

1154
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: with comm.

1155
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 2: That is the greatest gift that Biden's resignation is gift

1156
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 2: than Democrats. Was the worst issue, and it was it permeated,

1157
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 2: like I said, everything, it was the bone marrow. And

1158
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 2: now when that's gone, I mean, look, it opens up

1159
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,839
Speaker 2: a little bit of space. Now to what extent how

1160
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 2: are they going to work with that, how are they

1161
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 2: going to define things. I'm actually quite curious, you know,

1162
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,839
Speaker 2: to see what the moves are in the next couple

1163
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 2: of days. But overall, I would say she's played her

1164
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 2: hand like pretty well from what I've seen so far,

1165
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 2: there's been a lot of Row versus wide. I think

1166
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 2: the campaign ad course speech is not bad. I think

1167
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 2: that the you know, the rally speech from what I've read,

1168
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 2: or at least of the excerpts and look normal. Her

1169
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 2: very first ad is now out. It's called Freedom. It's

1170
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 2: got Beyonce's Freedom or whatever, and it's all about you

1171
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 2: guessed it, democracy and abortion, which and Trump being a

1172
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 2: convicted felon. So the playbook is here. Yeah, and you've

1173
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 2: got a ton of money. I also think I did

1174
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:45,320
Speaker 2: we talk about the enthusiasm gap, because that was actually

1175
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 2: maybe it'd be the biggest change. The biggest change here,

1176
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,360
Speaker 2: by far is the eight hundred and ninety six thousand

1177
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,439
Speaker 2: people who donated to a Democrat for the very first

1178
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 2: time since Biden dropped out of the race. That's one

1179
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,280
Speaker 2: in two hundred and ninety six Americans like, that's crazy,

1180
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 2: and famously has the most dedicated political coalition of all

1181
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 2: time in modern politics. Now Kamala has got the ladies,

1182
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 2: and I'm never betting against abortion ladies at all. These

1183
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,399
Speaker 2: people will and did crawl over broken glass to vote

1184
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two, and now they're you know, Biden

1185
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 2: is gone. The biggest worst deficit to them actually having enthusiasm.

1186
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 2: So now generic d that has real power. And if

1187
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 2: I'm Republicans, I'm worried as hell about that because this

1188
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:29,839
Speaker 2: get to the ballot box, row row, row your vote.

1189
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're in you know, northern Virginia suburbs

1190
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 2: where I am. I mean, these people are fired up now,

1191
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 2: they are ready to vote. They hate Trump with a

1192
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 2: passion that many Republicans have discounted.

1193
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: Now, for several years, I have never seen Kamala Harris

1194
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 1: better than she's been in these past few weeks. And

1195
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: not just since she became the you know, presumptive nominee,

1196
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: but since the Biden debate debacle. She has had a swagger.

1197
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: She has been genuinely charismatic on this. She has been good,

1198
00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: like from a just sheer raw political analysis. Now she

1199
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 1: hasn't had to do the things that are difficult for her, right,

1200
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,439
Speaker 1: she hasn't had to do the interviews and be caught

1201
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 1: off balance. She has been very good. And the other

1202
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 1: thing she benefits from is she's not eighty years old,

1203
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: and the bar has been set. Think of the Biden

1204
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,439
Speaker 1: speech last night, right, and then compare that to Colma,

1205
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 1: You're like, holy shit, this one's amazing, Right, But that

1206
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: gets he set the bar below the floor. So when

1207
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: she's able to deliver competently a democratic message and a

1208
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: democratic attack on Trump, with some energy and some vitality,

1209
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 1: and you have people who are actually excited to hear

1210
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 1: from her. It feels so incredibly different than how things

1211
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: were before. And so I yeah, underestimate her at your

1212
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 1: peril because we all know what the weaknesses are. But

1213
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: Trump is now, Trump's age becomes in it, like he

1214
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 1: is an old man. He's almost eighty years old, right,

1215
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: and he's been in the public eye for a long

1216
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: people who are sick of he's got negative approval writing

1217
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 1: like he's got all the baggage that Trump comes with.

1218
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 1: So you know, there is she's got a genuine enthusiasm

1219
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: behind her. And Ryan Mede at this point, I think

1220
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 1: he's right in a sense, the fact that she is

1221
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: a black woman. It's a benefit to her because Americans

1222
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: want to believe the mythology about you know, marching towards

1223
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: progress and equality, and they want to see themselves with

1224
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: the type of people who would vote for a black woman.

1225
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: And this was ended up being a benefit for Obama too,

1226
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 1: and so and I think we'll talk more about this

1227
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: than the next block. But I think Republicans are a

1228
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 1: bit imperiled by how much they want to fixate on

1229
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:45,439
Speaker 1: her race and gender as a negative, and so part

1230
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 1: of the enthusiasm for her is the sense of like,

1231
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 1: oh my god, like a black woman, and I see

1232
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 1: myself in you know what this means for the country,

1233
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: and what this means for you know, how we conceive

1234
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 1: of ourselves. That's definitely a part of this, and it's

1235
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 1: a part of what makes her feel like this huge

1236
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 1: break from the Biden and Trump's blog that we were

1237
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 1: all looking towards space.

1238
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 2: I'm not so much sure I buy that. I think

1239
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 2: that's true for a certain subset of the liberal white

1240
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 2: population who fetishized like voting for black people and makes it.

1241
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 1: Now have you seen the like have you seen the

1242
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: black organizing culture?

1243
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's great, But that's the true whenever

1244
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 2: they had Obama. I mean I remember I went to

1245
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 2: an Obama rally in twenty twelve. It was the same

1246
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 2: vibe there. So I don't think it's all that unique.

1247
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 2: I just think it's any time there's so but that was.

1248
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: Good for Obama.

1249
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 2: Okay, sure, good for him.

1250
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: I mean I'm saying that's the opposite. It's the opposite

1251
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: of the like, oh, the country's too racist and sexist

1252
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 1: to elect a black woman.

1253
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 2: We've already thought that's stupid.

1254
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 1: It's the opposite of it. But that's what I'm saying,

1255
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 1: is like, you know, that's the way oftentimes this is framed.

1256
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 1: And I do think there's an added challenge of like

1257
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: envisioning her and the role. But I actually think I've

1258
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 1: come to believe net the level of aspiration enthusiasm that

1259
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: is wrapped up in that identity and image, I think

1260
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 1: that actually is a benefit to her campaign.

1261
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 2: Like I said, forrest subset of liberal white people, I

1262
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 2: think that is true. I would hope for most people,

1263
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 2: you don't have to care about who whatever the race

1264
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 2: is of the president. I certainly don't care what the

1265
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 2: race what.

1266
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 1: Sorry listen, obviously for me, the policy controls. But you

1267
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 1: can't deny they did an organizing call with black women

1268
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 1: that had forty thousand people on it. They did one

1269
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: for black men that had fifty thousand people on Like

1270
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 1: the level of enthusiasm and willingness to organize, and they

1271
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: raise millions of dollars on these calls. Like, you can't

1272
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 1: just hand wave that away and say, well, it doesn't

1273
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 1: matter to me, so it doesn't matter to anyone else.

1274
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter to some people, it doesn't matter, like

1275
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: they're excited about this person looks different than what I expected.

1276
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 1: I didn't know if this would be possible. And I

1277
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 1: think Americans, like you said, including white Americans, like the

1278
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 1: idea of themselves as someone who's not racist and not

1279
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 1: sexist and would be willing to vote for this candidate.

1280
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 1: And so I don't think you can say, like, oh, this,

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Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's a benefit to her

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Speaker 1: her identity characteristics, which is the polar opposite of the

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Speaker 1: narrative you normally get about the country's two racism.

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Speaker 2: Oh sure that's actually a Median Arab and I think

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Speaker 2: that's false. Is two thousand and eight, and I think, sure,

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Speaker 2: that's good now. I mean, yeah, it's great. I would

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Speaker 2: want it. I'd rather have it than not. But you know,

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of white people in the country too,

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Speaker 2: so if I was, I wouldn't necessarily I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I just don't think it really matters. Like if I'm

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Speaker 2: looking at it from who, it all is going to

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Speaker 2: come down to who you're going to raise the most

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Speaker 2: money from, Like, I don't think it's going to be

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Speaker 2: what black sororities or black women organizing calls. I'd rather

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Speaker 2: have the money than not. But it's not necessarily like

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Speaker 2: going to turn anything. Will it have a lot of

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Speaker 2: media attention paid to it. I just think it's a wash. Yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 2: especially with Trump. I mean, look at the amount of

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Speaker 2: enthusiasm he gets amongst white working class voters. I'd have that.

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Speaker 8: Now.

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Speaker 2: Would I rather be Harris than Biden? Yes, absolutely. You

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Speaker 2: know he's not getting that level of enthusiasm. But if

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Speaker 2: I were her, I mean, I don't think the election

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Speaker 2: is going to turn on black voters. I think it's

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Speaker 2: going to come down to, like I said, suburban women.

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Speaker 2: So if I were her, I'd be getting my ass

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Speaker 2: out there in Detroit suburbs and and Milwaukee and everywhere else.

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Speaker 2: I use the two together.

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Speaker 1: I have really been gaining some ground among black voters,

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Speaker 1: and Trump was really banking on continuing to eat into

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Speaker 1: those margins in a way that is significant in a

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Speaker 1: lot of states. And so you know, I think she

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Speaker 1: we already have the numbers, like she definitely reverses that trend.

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Speaker 1: She reverts more back to that Obama coalition with regards

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Speaker 1: to black voters. And so yeah, I mean I don't

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Speaker 1: think you can just say, like her identity doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: anything in this race. You can see from the Republican

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Speaker 1: reaction like obviously it has. It has resonance good and

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Speaker 1: bad among different segments of the population. But my only

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Speaker 1: point is that the notion that we've been sold, we

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Speaker 1: were sold after Hilly Clok the country's too sexist to

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Speaker 1: vote for her, you know, we were sold during Obama

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Speaker 1: like all the country maybe too racist to vote for him.

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Speaker 1: That was obviously not true, and they did vote for

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Speaker 1: him twice twice. Hillary Clinton was not sexism. That wasn't

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Speaker 1: the rest I was on sexism. That was the reason

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Speaker 1: Kamala didn't do well in her primary. I think it's

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Speaker 1: exactly the opposite. I think it's I think it's a

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Speaker 1: benefit to her that she appears to be visually and

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Speaker 1: her identity is such a break with you know, just

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Speaker 1: the surface level identity of the contest as it was

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Speaker 1: originally formulated. That that's that is part of why you

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Speaker 1: have this flood of enthusiasm, donations, organizing all of those

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Speaker 1: things that you're seeing right now.

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Speaker 2: Her identity is part of that, I'm sure sure, I

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Speaker 2: think is part of it. I think it would be

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Speaker 2: roughly equal for aggression with Merrick Avenues. I think that's

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Speaker 2: really so much of it is just he's not He's

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Speaker 2: not Biden like that is a massive part of it.

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Speaker 7: All right.

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Speaker 2: So Crystal was very kind and she wanted me to

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Speaker 2: weigh in on some of the Republican attacks on Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 2: Or We're going to start with one that has been

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Speaker 2: making the rounds. Kamala is allegedly quote, what is it,

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Speaker 2: the original hawk to a girl? This was on Fox Business.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a lesson.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and then there's the DEI press secretary telling you

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Speaker 5: that the DEI vice president is the future of the

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Speaker 5: party here and so the future looks kind of dim

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Speaker 5: for the Democrats here. But this is no shock or either.

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Speaker 5: Kamala harris 's the original hawk to a girl. That's

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Speaker 5: the way she got where she is, and the party's

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Speaker 5: going downhill if it's in her hands.

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Speaker 2: That was tough? Was that was That was harsh? That

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Speaker 2: was harsh. Look, I would just say this, let's just

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Speaker 2: not go into it, all right.

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Speaker 1: In general.

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Speaker 2: I talked with Emily about it. I have annoyance with

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Speaker 2: some of this because some of this it's like, well,

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Speaker 2: what is allowed to be talked about? It not So

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01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 2: with Trump, it's like, okay, well, we have now spent

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Speaker 2: years litigating did he have sex with Stormy Daniels up

1363
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Speaker 2: until the point of what I'm not not going to

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Speaker 2: go into. Let's just say the very personal details of

1365
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump's anatomy, what the exact sexual encounter was between

1366
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Speaker 2: the two That was a key like thing against him.

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Speaker 1: So well, it was in the context of a campaign

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Speaker 1: payment her up, that was the context there, Okay, but then.

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Speaker 2: The Karen McDougall thing. Also, you know, many of Trump's affairs,

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Speaker 2: so Trump's sex life was like totally out in the open.

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Speaker 2: So it's like, oh, well, we're not allowed to talk

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Speaker 2: about Kamala like basically having an affair with a very powerful,

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Speaker 2: you know, a relationship with a powerful San Francisco mayor,

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Speaker 2: and clearly how that, you know, contributed to her rise

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Speaker 2: to the top. I would say, it's fine to talk

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01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 2: about I wouldn't talk about it that way. But in general,

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Speaker 2: let's just take it back to where we were in

1378
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Speaker 2: the beginning of this Uh, in the beginning of this show,

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Speaker 2: which is if we're talking about suburban women in abortion,

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Speaker 2: I would probably just avoid was.

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Speaker 1: Going to say, I say so, I would incur Republicans,

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Speaker 1: Please continue this line of attack, Laura Lumber, please continue

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Speaker 1: talking about Kamala Harris's uterus and theorizing about her entire

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Speaker 1: Please the other thing about this Sager, and this fits

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Speaker 1: with the the DEI hit as well. This shit is

1386
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 1: so online and so to people that understand it, it's repellent,

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Speaker 1: right like even the Fox Business lady there is like

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Speaker 1: repelled by it. And he's been pulled off there. He

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Speaker 1: hasn't been seen since he is.

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Speaker 2: Making it explicitly sexual. And that's part of the thing

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Speaker 2: that I'll get into with the de I think, which

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01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 2: is part by the way. I don't think anything should

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Speaker 2: be off women's I think it's fine. I think it

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Speaker 2: is weird that when she was twenty nine she's dating

1395
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:03,000
Speaker 2: Willie Brown, I think very obviously for political purposes. I

1396
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 2: think that's weird. It tells me a little about her

1397
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Speaker 2: sociopathic personality that basically is required to become president. So

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Speaker 2: I think she is just like anyone who wants to

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Speaker 2: be president. Many of these people are willing to do

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Speaker 2: anything in order to ascend a power, and that's basically

1401
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 2: a requirement for the arrogance to think that you should

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Speaker 2: be president. Okay, so let's leave it at that. Now.

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Speaker 2: I didn't say that in a sexist way. Note that

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Speaker 2: I just put it in exactly the same terms of

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01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 2: many people who want to climb to the very top

1406
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 2: are willing to do anything to do that. So I

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01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 2: think in that context it's fine. Now, I would not

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Speaker 2: put it in explicitly sexual terms the way that I

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01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 2: don't know who that guy was the Fox Business his analyst.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you what his Twitter profile says, because

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Speaker 1: you'll enjoy that, please. It says a father of four,

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Speaker 1: host of first class fatherhood.

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Speaker 2: All right, yeah, see, would you talk about your daughter

1414
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 2: that way? You know, would you want to talk about

1415
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:55,480
Speaker 2: women that way? In general? Like I said, this whole

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01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 2: like sluct shaming thing, I wouldn't do it personally. I

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01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 2: think talking about it in in terms of what it

1418
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 2: reveals about character and background, I think that's totally on brand,

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01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 2: And I think fine, you know, in the same way

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01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:07,440
Speaker 2: that I think the talking about Trump and his sexual

1421
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 2: promiscuity are, especially with sexual braggadocio in the past, reveals

1422
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:14,400
Speaker 2: like obviously something insecure about him and about.

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Speaker 1: His love of the tabloids and all of that. So

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Speaker 1: in general.

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Speaker 2: The reason why I don't trust Republicans to talk about

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Speaker 2: this is probably the same reason and Mike Johnson's told

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Speaker 2: them not to talk about DEI. It's not that it's

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Speaker 2: not legitimate, it's that can we really trust the people

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01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 2: who brought us Todd Aiken and who was the other

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01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 2: one who made the comments about rape Indiana? I'm forgetting

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Speaker 2: as say. Sure, it's something, it's totally on the top

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01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 2: of my head. But my point is is that can

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Speaker 2: we really trust like these boomers who are you know,

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01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 2: or even people who are making hawk tool comments on

1435
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Speaker 2: national television talking about the vice presidential canon? Can we talk?

1436
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 2: Can we trust them to talk about it in a

1437
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 2: nuance and I think in a way that could possibly

1438
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 2: make it a hit for the American people. No, I

1439
01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 2: can't trust them about it, especially on the sexual thing.

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Speaker 2: I would just let it be. I mean, look, like

1441
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 2: I said, when we've got Trump on the ticket to

1442
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 2: let's all just let's all call it even.

1443
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 1: I mean this argument that he made on Fox Business,

1444
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 1: which I've seen made, He's not the only one. This

1445
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 1: is being made, you know, online incessantly. The DEI thing,

1446
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:15,880
Speaker 1: obviously is being made by members of Congress and op

1447
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 1: ed writers and whatever, like his argument about her is

1448
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 1: that she's black and she's a whore. Like again, if

1449
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Speaker 1: that's if that's where you want to go with this,

1450
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 1: good luck, because the other thing is part of how

1451
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 1: you know this is not an effective attack is Trump

1452
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 1: is not engaged in any of this, you know. But

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Speaker 1: here's the thing, No, here's the thing that's ogur Like,

1454
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 1: let me put my moralizing aside, because I do think

1455
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 1: this is a disgusting thing to say about anyone. And

1456
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 1: I said the DEI thing too, well, I'm sure talk

1457
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 1: more about this, but whatever original like good faith critique

1458
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 1: of DEI programs that existed, which I share some of,

1459
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 1: by the way, Like it's clearly just become a term

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01:08:57,640 --> 01:08:59,800
Speaker 1: for a slur for like a black person with the job,

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01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:02,640
Speaker 1: and that's the way it's been used typically. But the

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01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:05,679
Speaker 1: bigger problem with both the Hawktua thing and the DEI

1463
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 1: thing is it reveals this like super niche, overly online

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01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 1: type of brain. That was why Vivek didn't do well

1465
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 1: in his campaign. It was why Ron de Santis didn't

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Speaker 1: do well in his campaign because they had these like

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01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:25,639
Speaker 1: niche online fixations, including a bizarre terminology that wouldn't even

1468
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Speaker 1: be familiar to most Americans, Like to the extent that

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Speaker 1: most Americans would know the term DEI, it would be

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Speaker 1: like black people who find it to be basically a slur,

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Speaker 1: Black people who were increasingly open to a Republican message,

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Speaker 1: by the way, or people are just like what do

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Speaker 1: you I don't even know what that means, Like what

1474
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 1: are you even talking about? So that's why Trump never

1475
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 1: uses He never talked about ESG, he never talked about DEI.

1476
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 1: He made fun of the fixation on wokeness because he

1477
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:55,759
Speaker 1: saw it for being this like overly niche online concern

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01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 1: that doesn't land for normi Americans. So outside of the

1479
01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 1: fact that I think they're certain demographic groups that will

1480
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:04,240
Speaker 1: find this type of language in tech repellent, I also

1481
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 1: think it's just like way too online.

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01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 2: I'm not willing to go there on DEI yet, because

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01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:10,920
Speaker 2: dei is a term that actually means something. Now, personally,

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01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 2: I would not use de I. Would just say a

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01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:14,599
Speaker 2: firmative action, which is far more accurate and I think

1486
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:17,639
Speaker 2: correct about who she is and about that both why

1487
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:20,160
Speaker 2: she was picked for the vice president, etc. But that

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01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:22,600
Speaker 2: is like I don't know, I'm let's think of a

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01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 2: leftist equivalent, where just because somebody has used the term improperly,

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Speaker 2: does that mean that you just stop and it's become

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01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:31,680
Speaker 2: publicly defined or used as something else? Does that mean

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01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 2: you give up on the term?

1493
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:32,600
Speaker 3: Like?

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01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I mean DEI is a real thing.

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01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:39,480
Speaker 2: It basically means affirmative action for minority groups. It embodies

1496
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:43,160
Speaker 2: the whole equity versus equality. And that's a mindset and

1497
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 2: philosophy that Kamala believes in, including putting out equity cartoons.

1498
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 2: So calling her a DEI candidate is empirically true. She

1499
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 2: was picked for her race. She was picked because she

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01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:56,120
Speaker 2: was a black woman. If you look back at the time,

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01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 2: Amy Kobachar, Gretchen Whitmer and her were on the final list,

1502
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:03,200
Speaker 2: m madness was happening. Jim Clyburn says, you got to

1503
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 2: pick a black lady, and he picked a black lady

1504
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 2: even though he didn't like her and she wasn't all

1505
01:11:07,479 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 2: that politically effective and failed in the primary. That is

1506
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 2: literally the EI.

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01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:14,240
Speaker 1: Here's what I would say. Yeah, the vice presidential pick

1508
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:18,760
Speaker 1: is almost by definition a DEI pick. Joe Biden was

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01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:20,920
Speaker 1: put on the ticket with Barack Obama because he's a

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01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:23,439
Speaker 1: white dude, like you're always picked. I mean, what are

1511
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 1: we talking about with regard to who Kamlo will pick,

1512
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 1: Like it's going to be a white guy?

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01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:28,559
Speaker 8: Yes?

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01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 3: Is that a de I?

1515
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 2: Yes, that's my point.

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01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. Here's so, here's the thing that

1517
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 1: did None of these people and you, by the way, too,

1518
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 1: you would never talk about them that way. You would

1519
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 1: never use the term DEI to describe them, even though

1520
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 1: they're also being picked for their race or other demographic characters.

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01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:49,519
Speaker 1: Mike Pence picked because he's an evangelical with you know,

1522
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 1: ties into that community. No one called him a DEI pick.

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01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 1: And that goes to my point of what this has

1524
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 1: come to mean. Whatever you might mean when you say

1525
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:02,559
Speaker 1: it would, it has come to mean is a black

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01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 1: person with the job?

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01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:03,760
Speaker 2: Okay?

1528
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:07,240
Speaker 1: And remember how they used it with the Baltimore mayor, right, sure,

1529
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 1: the democratically electing mayor on Twitter?

1530
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:10,840
Speaker 2: No, but it doesn't.

1531
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:13,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know that this is not just one

1532
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 1: idiot on Twitter. I mean that's how they're using it

1533
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:17,760
Speaker 1: in this context too, and it's not used consistently. Joe

1534
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 1: Biden was a DEI vice presidential pick. Mike Pence was

1535
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:23,840
Speaker 1: a DEI presidential pick, a vice presidential pick. Jd Vance

1536
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:25,760
Speaker 1: was picked because of his you know, unique ties in

1537
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 1: the Russ Beelder or is he a DEI vice president pick? No,

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01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:30,400
Speaker 1: of course they would never talk about them that way

1539
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:34,040
Speaker 1: because it's only used to talk about black people. But

1540
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:38,400
Speaker 1: let me just say again, I encourage you to continue

1541
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:41,920
Speaker 1: this line of attack. I encourage you to continue in

1542
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:46,439
Speaker 1: this direction because not only is it off putting for

1543
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:49,600
Speaker 1: a demographic group that you know was starting to be

1544
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:52,240
Speaker 1: like somewhat open to Republicans, and I don't think just

1545
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:54,680
Speaker 1: black people like Also, you have a lot, as you

1546
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:56,679
Speaker 1: were saying before, you have a lot of like suburban

1547
01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:59,080
Speaker 1: white people who don't want to see themselves as racists.

1548
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 1: If they're going to vote against Kamala Harris, they want

1549
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:03,680
Speaker 1: like a non racial based or gender based reason to

1550
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:06,680
Speaker 1: vote against her. So, you know, not only is it

1551
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:09,720
Speaker 1: off putting, but again, part of the problem for Republicans

1552
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:12,360
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two was the sense of like, you

1553
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:15,160
Speaker 1: guys are just out there, like you're weird. You fixate

1554
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:19,439
Speaker 1: on this fringe stuff and all this DEI esg all

1555
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 1: this hyper online fixation. Talked to a girl like do

1556
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 1: you think my mom knows what that is. No, she doesn't, Okay,

1557
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 1: So I encourage Republicans to continue in this direction. I

1558
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:31,840
Speaker 1: think this is going to work out very well.

1559
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 2: I'm not defending hawk too, but here is why. And

1560
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 2: this you brought up an important point. So let's think

1561
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 2: about the history. Affirmative action was literally created for black people.

1562
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:41,760
Speaker 2: There's a reason why the term is extricably linked.

1563
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 1: Now.

1564
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:43,759
Speaker 2: Part of the problem with affirmative actions.

1565
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 1: That's what So that what makes it an explicitly racial

1566
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:48,800
Speaker 1: But this far I'm saying, the problem with affirmative action

1567
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:51,959
Speaker 1: is that it became dei, which became an all encompassing

1568
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:55,560
Speaker 1: term that got fused with bipoc esg all of this

1569
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:57,120
Speaker 1: like minority obsession.

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01:13:57,200 --> 01:14:00,680
Speaker 2: So whites are by definition not I min which is

1571
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 2: why the term is not traditionally used with that Now

1572
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:07,000
Speaker 2: as a mindset itself, by the way, I opposed racial preferences.

1573
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 2: I appose opposed voting for people because of race, And

1574
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:13,160
Speaker 2: I don't believe in racial exceptionalism or any of this stuff,

1575
01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:14,759
Speaker 2: and I would have opposed it back in the nineteen

1576
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:17,320
Speaker 2: sixty two. The policy has been a disaster for the

1577
01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:19,559
Speaker 2: United States, which is why I think striking down affirmative

1578
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 2: action was a good thing. Now calling her a DEI

1579
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:26,760
Speaker 2: candidate again is empirically true when you utilize your race

1580
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 2: in the midst of the greatest racial hysteria in this

1581
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 2: country since the nineteen sixties and use that to cost

1582
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 2: your opponents, when your own record itself is one of

1583
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:40,799
Speaker 2: political disaster in the campaign and you failed with black voters.

1584
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:43,920
Speaker 1: Amy Cony Barrett Trump had said he wanted to put.

1585
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 2: On that's an affirmative action pick. That's correct.

1586
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:48,000
Speaker 1: Yes, do any of these people ever talk about it?

1587
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:48,720
Speaker 1: People all that right?

1588
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:50,559
Speaker 2: Actually did call Amy a Cony Barrett?

1589
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:54,120
Speaker 1: And I've never heard any of these people her being

1590
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:57,880
Speaker 1: a DEI affirmative action candidate? It is, And you just

1591
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 1: said it's an explicitly does it was developed it would

1592
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:06,599
Speaker 1: be okay, okay, but that's what's the argument. But I'm

1593
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:10,880
Speaker 1: just saying you're making an explicitly racialized argument. Then that

1594
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:14,280
Speaker 1: the problem with Kamala Harris is based on her race.

1595
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:17,479
Speaker 2: And her tender that's that problem. That's a that's a

1596
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:21,760
Speaker 2: fair attack. Okay, you didn't earn because of your race,

1597
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:22,840
Speaker 2: which is true.

1598
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:25,200
Speaker 1: But the same is true of Joe Biden. The same

1599
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:28,839
Speaker 1: is true of the vice presidential pick. It's not admit,

1600
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 1: nobody earns it. They get plucked down of wherever for

1601
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:35,559
Speaker 1: their demographic characteristics and who what group people think they're

1602
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:38,920
Speaker 1: going to appeal to. So I'm not saying you can't

1603
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:41,639
Speaker 1: say it, say it, please go ahead, make the case,

1604
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:44,000
Speaker 1: go for it. I'm saying I do not think that

1605
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:47,640
Speaker 1: this is a wise direction for Republicans to go in.

1606
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:50,200
Speaker 1: Because let me let me just add to this, because

1607
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:52,120
Speaker 1: I was thinking about, all right, if I was gonna

1608
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:54,240
Speaker 1: go after Kamala Harris, like, how would I do it?

1609
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:57,439
Speaker 1: What would be the most effective thing? Because I think

1610
01:15:57,520 --> 01:15:59,719
Speaker 1: that we, you know, we have sort of a model

1611
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:01,800
Speaker 1: for that because of the failure of her twenty twenty

1612
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:02,719
Speaker 1: presidential campaign.

1613
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:04,080
Speaker 4: What was it?

1614
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:05,519
Speaker 2: She believe that?

1615
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:06,920
Speaker 1: What was that was a problem for he It was

1616
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 1: it was a couple of things. It was that she

1617
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:12,680
Speaker 1: believes in nothing right, She's just decipher She's like, you know,

1618
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 1: just will say whatever's convenient in the moment. So she's

1619
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:20,479
Speaker 1: a political chameleon. And the sense of incompetence that came from,

1620
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:22,880
Speaker 1: like the inability to run a campaign, her stumbles on

1621
01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 1: the trail, et cetera, et cetera, so make that case,

1622
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 1: those things don't have anything to do with her being

1623
01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 1: a black woman or a slut, right, this has to

1624
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 1: do everything with her own capabilities and where she's been

1625
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:39,560
Speaker 1: and how she's been all over the place, And that

1626
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:41,760
Speaker 1: rings a lot more true. The other thing that, you know,

1627
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:44,599
Speaker 1: this is very predictable, like the thing Trump is actually

1628
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:47,200
Speaker 1: going with is ooh, she's radical left, she's radical liberal, etcetera.

1629
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 1: I think that's probably has more traction. Definitely does, and

1630
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:53,599
Speaker 1: it's more over the target of of what would make sense,

1631
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 1: but it also effective. Attacks really have to ring true.

1632
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 1: And what rings a lot more true with Kamala Harris

1633
01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:05,559
Speaker 1: isn't that she is some hardcore, committed lefty ideologue. It's

1634
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:08,720
Speaker 1: that she doesn't believe in anything at all. So if

1635
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 1: I was going against Kamala Harris, I would leave her

1636
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:14,559
Speaker 1: race and gender beside, because, like I said, people who

1637
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:18,519
Speaker 1: want to vote against her, most Americans don't want to

1638
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:22,360
Speaker 1: see themselves as explicitly racist or sexist, right. They want

1639
01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:24,840
Speaker 1: to have some other reason that they can point to

1640
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:27,519
Speaker 1: that they're voting against her, other than that she's you know,

1641
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:30,920
Speaker 1: a whore or a DEI pick. They want to have

1642
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:34,280
Speaker 1: something they can point to that absolves them of any

1643
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:38,439
Speaker 1: potential implication of racism or sexism. So that's why I

1644
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:42,080
Speaker 1: think these attacks, you know, I think they're just instantly repellent,

1645
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:44,639
Speaker 1: off putting to certain groups, and I just don't think

1646
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:47,560
Speaker 1: it's the most effective direction for Republicans to go to

1647
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:49,479
Speaker 1: in terms of making a case against her. And there

1648
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:51,360
Speaker 1: is a very clear case that can be made against I.

1649
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:52,840
Speaker 2: Don't disagree with the case you're making, but let me

1650
01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:55,439
Speaker 2: case make the case the dei affirmative action thing. Nobody

1651
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:57,880
Speaker 2: suffered more in this country of bi affirmative action than

1652
01:17:57,920 --> 01:17:59,720
Speaker 2: white working class voter. So this is the white working

1653
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 2: class selection voting for Trump. Well, no, not necessarily. Joe

1654
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 2: Biden was breaking what thirty percent forty percent white working class.

1655
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:09,400
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like with blacks, margins matter black voters.

1656
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 2: Ninety ten and eighty twenty is literally the difference between

1657
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:15,240
Speaker 2: four hundred electoral votes and what two hundred and sixty, Right,

1658
01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:17,760
Speaker 2: That's part of the reason why Trump's meaningful gains. I mean,

1659
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 2: he's winning like eight or he's winning like fifteen percent

1660
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 2: of the black vote, but that's still a lot more

1661
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 2: than ten. So if the affirmative action line can you know,

1662
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:29,479
Speaker 2: mobilize white working class voters in the industrial Midwest. It's

1663
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:32,040
Speaker 2: not a bad thing. And if you look at Hillbilly

1664
01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:34,960
Speaker 2: Elogy and what is it's the history of the Scotts

1665
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 2: Irish people. I'm forgetting Jim Webb's book. If you look

1666
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:39,800
Speaker 2: at those two things, a core theme is about racial

1667
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:43,519
Speaker 2: discontent and the obsession with Democratic elites of affirmative action.

1668
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:45,799
Speaker 2: And so I think JD as a line in Hillbilly

1669
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:48,200
Speaker 2: Lergy something about you know, people on the floor being

1670
01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:51,240
Speaker 2: upset because somebody got promoted because they were black or

1671
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:53,920
Speaker 2: Jim Webb has talked a lot about this in the past,

1672
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:55,760
Speaker 2: by how affirmative action is one of the reasons that

1673
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:58,759
Speaker 2: he left the Democratic Party. Then, pointing to the person

1674
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:01,400
Speaker 2: who is literally only in I mean, can we acknowledge

1675
01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:03,439
Speaker 2: Crystal that she would not win an open Democratic primary

1676
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:05,280
Speaker 2: like from in twenty and twenty.

1677
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:08,200
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously in twenty twenty, I think in twenty

1678
01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:10,639
Speaker 1: I think this time there's a decent chance she would

1679
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:12,519
Speaker 1: have just because of her position as.

1680
01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:14,439
Speaker 2: VI after select that's great.

1681
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:18,639
Speaker 1: Again, that's like almost definitionally the case of every vice

1682
01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:22,759
Speaker 1: presidential candidate. So I mean, listen, if you want to double.

1683
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:27,560
Speaker 1: The case you're making is let's like double down on

1684
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 1: racial grievance. That's not It is true. It's obviously a

1685
01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:34,799
Speaker 1: racial grievance. Like even if you say it's a legitimate

1686
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:38,280
Speaker 1: racial grievance, it is a racial grievance. It is white

1687
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:41,320
Speaker 1: working class feeling like black people got things they weren't didn't.

1688
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:46,599
Speaker 2: Deserve that that minority groups because they weren't necessarily taking any.

1689
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:50,519
Speaker 1: Morality out of that. It is definitionally a racial grievance.

1690
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:54,200
Speaker 1: I don't think that that is an effective strategy at

1691
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:56,240
Speaker 1: this point in time, and it's not the coalition that

1692
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:58,000
Speaker 1: Trump is trying to go after this time. I mean,

1693
01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:01,799
Speaker 1: they've really been trying to expand into a more diverse coalition.

1694
01:20:02,200 --> 01:20:04,360
Speaker 1: They have a lot of problems with suburban women that

1695
01:20:04,439 --> 01:20:06,720
Speaker 1: they know is going to be a major issue. So,

1696
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 1: you know, I think the jd Vance vice presidential pick

1697
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:12,000
Speaker 1: was a foolish one for this exact reason, because it's

1698
01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:14,599
Speaker 1: also just doubling down on a base that is already

1699
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:19,719
Speaker 1: with you, Like you already have the enthusiasm of this group.

1700
01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:23,479
Speaker 1: And again, to me, the fact that Trump, who is

1701
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:26,080
Speaker 1: not you know, he is not above saying anything and

1702
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 1: you know, everything all the time when he thinks it

1703
01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:32,640
Speaker 1: serves him that he is not making these arguments, I

1704
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:37,280
Speaker 1: think tells you a lot about the political foolishness of

1705
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:38,519
Speaker 1: us going in the story.

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01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:40,280
Speaker 2: It's only been five days, right that Trump has been

1707
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 2: on the election one rally since, but we know that he.

1708
01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:46,559
Speaker 1: Has showed all this DEI esg woke like he has

1709
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:50,280
Speaker 1: a shoed all of that language very clearly and even

1710
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:52,320
Speaker 1: like made fun of Ronda Santis.

1711
01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:55,000
Speaker 2: And I think that's just and I don't disagree with anything,

1712
01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:55,639
Speaker 2: and that's.

1713
01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:58,320
Speaker 1: That's a big part of the what the rock that

1714
01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:01,840
Speaker 1: Ronda Santis crashed in to is his fixation with these

1715
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:04,720
Speaker 1: things that are like hyper online and somewhat niche and

1716
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:07,320
Speaker 1: just feel like weird in fringed to a lot of

1717
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:10,120
Speaker 1: Norman Americans. Putting aside, like you know, the debate we're

1718
01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:11,439
Speaker 1: having about the moraleity and whatever.

1719
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 2: I think if I were Trump, I don't think it's

1720
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:16,120
Speaker 2: a bad attack, like I said, with winning white working

1721
01:21:16,160 --> 01:21:18,240
Speaker 2: class and trying to now let's say I would use

1722
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:20,000
Speaker 2: the term affirmative action, because I think it's also the

1723
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 2: most accurate. Now I'm also going to object though that

1724
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:24,240
Speaker 2: you can't just make these throw these claims out, because

1725
01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:25,759
Speaker 2: notice who I'm not going to call a di i cannet,

1726
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:29,000
Speaker 2: Barack Obama. Barack Obama rightfully won the presidency and his

1727
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:31,519
Speaker 2: primary election on the strength of his own name. And

1728
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:33,559
Speaker 2: I don't think if anything, you know, if he had

1729
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:36,280
Speaker 2: racial headwinds or whatever, it was far stronger in two

1730
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:37,960
Speaker 2: thousand and eight, and he blew it out of the water.

1731
01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:39,560
Speaker 2: I don't think he was a de i cannet. He

1732
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:42,120
Speaker 2: was never selected, he was never anointed, he was never

1733
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:45,479
Speaker 2: given a position. He fought the Clinton establishment and he won.

1734
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:48,560
Speaker 2: That's actually an inspiring racial story, and that's part of

1735
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:50,599
Speaker 2: the reason why you can connect to that. That's why

1736
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:53,519
Speaker 2: white working class people can connect to that. Obama grew

1737
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:55,920
Speaker 2: up his background, that was everything. Kama is a different story.

1738
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:58,640
Speaker 2: I mean, she was selected because of her race, right,

1739
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:00,840
Speaker 2: And I'm not gonna give I'm not going to just

1740
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:03,600
Speaker 2: put away and say we're not allowed to say that

1741
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:05,120
Speaker 2: that in my opinion.

1742
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 1: You're allowed.

1743
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 2: Okay, fine, but listen, but that won't be potent.

1744
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 1: Joe Biden was also selected for his right.

1745
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:13,679
Speaker 2: But it's not the same because at least at that time,

1746
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:15,320
Speaker 2: at least at the time, they would lie about it

1747
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 2: and they said it's first four.

1748
01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:19,880
Speaker 1: But hold on, it is like, it's almost exactly the same,

1749
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:24,120
Speaker 1: fear matters, it's as exactly the same because he ran

1750
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:27,880
Speaker 1: in that primary and he failed miserably, and it was

1751
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:33,320
Speaker 1: he multiple times failed miserably. So because this is the

1752
01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:35,920
Speaker 1: thing on you know, the knock, the legitimate knock on

1753
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:37,840
Speaker 1: Kamala is like, well, you ran and you failed and

1754
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:39,799
Speaker 1: then you just got plucked out. Well, it was literally

1755
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:42,599
Speaker 1: the same thing with Joe Biden. But that was never

1756
01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:45,439
Speaker 1: that was never used against him. He was never called

1757
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:50,360
Speaker 1: you know, his credibility, his you know, legitimacy in the

1758
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:54,080
Speaker 1: position was never called into question. And Kamala Harris, I mean,

1759
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:59,559
Speaker 1: you know, she won statewide in a large, very diverse,

1760
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:05,680
Speaker 1: very economically powerful state multiple times. Okay, so yeah, I'm

1761
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:08,280
Speaker 1: not going to believe that what's his name, Willy brown

1762
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:12,680
Speaker 1: Willy Browning, This one man cannot possibly be responsible for

1763
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:15,160
Speaker 1: every single thing that happens every election that occurs in

1764
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:18,000
Speaker 1: the state of California, like at some level, to the

1765
01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:21,519
Speaker 1: extent that there's any democratic process at play. She earned

1766
01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 1: her stripes in the state of California. She won primary,

1767
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:28,120
Speaker 1: she won statewide multiple times she served in office. People

1768
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:31,240
Speaker 1: got to evaluate her credentials, et cetera, et cetera, and

1769
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:33,840
Speaker 1: she got put in as vice president in the same

1770
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:37,479
Speaker 1: way that every vice president gets picked by nature of

1771
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:42,240
Speaker 1: her demographic characteristics and who they thought she could appeal to. Now,

1772
01:23:42,439 --> 01:23:45,759
Speaker 1: I don't support I think it is racist to assume

1773
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:47,719
Speaker 1: black people are going to vote for a black person

1774
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:50,960
Speaker 1: just because of their identity. I think it is way

1775
01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:54,960
Speaker 1: more complex than that. But you can't deny that. The

1776
01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:57,559
Speaker 1: whole discussion we're having around Commlin Harrison how she'll pick

1777
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:01,519
Speaker 1: her VP is about their demographic care who they'll appeal to,

1778
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:04,400
Speaker 1: and what their background is and all of those things.

1779
01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:07,679
Speaker 1: That's like just how vps get picked. So I don't

1780
01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:10,560
Speaker 1: think that's fair. I don't think it's fair for that

1781
01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:13,120
Speaker 1: to be held specifically against her when it's not held

1782
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:15,760
Speaker 1: against anyone else who doesn't happen to be black. And

1783
01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:19,120
Speaker 1: I also, like I said, I hope Republicans continue in

1784
01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:23,080
Speaker 1: this direction because I think it's a very ineffective, off putting,

1785
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:26,519
Speaker 1: overly online attack. I think if you polled most of

1786
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:28,320
Speaker 1: the public, they don't even couldn't even tell you what

1787
01:24:28,479 --> 01:24:29,639
Speaker 1: DEI even means.

1788
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:31,479
Speaker 2: I agree, but they might know what affirmative action means,

1789
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:33,240
Speaker 2: and they are two sides of the same coin. So

1790
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:35,920
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna look, we'll see, we'll find out in November.

1791
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:38,280
Speaker 2: I think, as a person who is a minority, can

1792
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:40,760
Speaker 2: I play my minority card? Now? If I ever got

1793
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:43,960
Speaker 2: promoted or ascended or whatever because of my rate, I'd

1794
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:45,240
Speaker 2: be mortified because of it.

1795
01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:47,559
Speaker 1: So anybody who's out there who supports this type of.

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01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:50,160
Speaker 2: Crap, you're just shooting yourself in the foot, in my opinion,

1797
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:53,479
Speaker 2: and I think it's the stupidest thing. Now. Again, part

1798
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:55,880
Speaker 2: of the reason why I connect with the affirmative action

1799
01:24:55,960 --> 01:25:00,920
Speaker 2: message is explicitly because I despise people who's only characteristic

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01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:03,680
Speaker 2: about them is making it all about their race. That's

1801
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:06,040
Speaker 2: not interesting, Like what color you're born is not interesting

1802
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:07,800
Speaker 2: at all. What you believe in, what you're gonna do

1803
01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:11,439
Speaker 2: for others. That's again why I at least revere Barack

1804
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:15,760
Speaker 2: Obama as a political animal, using his background as both

1805
01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:18,479
Speaker 2: a black man as a black man and also his

1806
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:21,560
Speaker 2: white mother and his grandparents growing up in Kansas to

1807
01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:24,519
Speaker 2: create a story that everyone could connect to that was

1808
01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:27,840
Speaker 2: genuinely inspiring. I I remember thinking about it at the

1809
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:29,920
Speaker 2: time and to this day is one of those where

1810
01:25:30,160 --> 01:25:33,080
Speaker 2: everyone can But that's not necessarily unique about his race.

1811
01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:35,639
Speaker 2: Clinton was very effective in the same thing. He literally said,

1812
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:37,240
Speaker 2: like I grew up in a trailer park. I was

1813
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:39,200
Speaker 2: trailer trash. And that's one of the reasons why they

1814
01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:41,240
Speaker 2: even called him at the time the first black president,

1815
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:43,639
Speaker 2: which is stupid, but because he connected for a lot

1816
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 2: with black voters. So that's my point is that it's

1817
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:49,320
Speaker 2: not about race per se, it's about connecting with what

1818
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:52,519
Speaker 2: people feel icky about the other person. Now, one of

1819
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:55,600
Speaker 2: the attacks against her is she was selected because of

1820
01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:58,200
Speaker 2: a race. He's never been truly tested in the fire

1821
01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:04,000
Speaker 2: of democracy. Now, I think you're one state, okay, okay, okay, politician,

1822
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:06,559
Speaker 2: you have to get elected.

1823
01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:07,880
Speaker 1: People still have to vote for you.

1824
01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:10,880
Speaker 2: There's a fake primary to the post.

1825
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:13,040
Speaker 1: People still get to vote in the state of California.

1826
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:16,560
Speaker 1: It's not like a dictatorship. The entire time is in

1827
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:19,680
Speaker 1: Alabama's and they even even though I'm not sure how

1828
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:21,360
Speaker 1: long they've had it, but now they have the jungle

1829
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:24,200
Speaker 1: primary where you are up against very likely a Democrat

1830
01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:25,880
Speaker 1: in the fall as well. I mean, listen, yeah, it's

1831
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 1: a machine state, but you still have to win vote sure.

1832
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 1: So I just think, like, I just don't think that's fair.

1833
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:34,280
Speaker 1: Delaware is also a state where if you just have

1834
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:36,000
Speaker 1: a d buy your name and get elected. I don't

1835
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:40,200
Speaker 1: remember anyone calling into question Joe Biden's credibility because of that.

1836
01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:43,000
Speaker 1: So that's why I just think it's I mean, I

1837
01:26:43,160 --> 01:26:46,720
Speaker 1: just think it's really very unfair, and I think it

1838
01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:49,600
Speaker 1: is a foolish. I think it's a foolish direction go

1839
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:55,840
Speaker 1: in and it makes it explicitly, it explicitly racializes the

1840
01:26:56,120 --> 01:26:58,280
Speaker 1: argument against her, and I don't.

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01:26:58,080 --> 01:27:00,320
Speaker 2: But then why is she allowed to explicitly racial and

1842
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:02,800
Speaker 2: the meaning, Oh, it's so important to have a black woman.

1843
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:04,439
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't care if you're a black Woman's like,

1844
01:27:04,479 --> 01:27:05,280
Speaker 2: what are you going to do for her?

1845
01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:07,680
Speaker 1: I haven't even I mean, I haven't heard her say that.

1846
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:13,080
Speaker 1: But to your point about Barack Obama, all political candidates

1847
01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:16,640
Speaker 1: except for Bernie Sanders, they use their identity, like they

1848
01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:20,360
Speaker 1: talk about their biography. That Trump as the business guy, right,

1849
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:23,880
Speaker 1: like he uses his biography and his identity as well.

1850
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:28,360
Speaker 1: Like that's part and parcel of what you do. So

1851
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:31,519
Speaker 1: I don't find it, like, you know, her I don't

1852
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:34,560
Speaker 1: find her talking about her identity to be some like

1853
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:39,200
Speaker 1: crime against the country. I think it's far more important

1854
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:41,880
Speaker 1: what she's going to do. I think the fact that

1855
01:27:41,960 --> 01:27:44,400
Speaker 1: she hasn't stood for anything, and even after all these

1856
01:27:44,479 --> 01:27:47,360
Speaker 1: years in politics, I have no clue what this woman

1857
01:27:47,439 --> 01:27:51,640
Speaker 1: actually believes. I think that's a problem. But for her

1858
01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:56,000
Speaker 1: to talk about her identity and for people to aspirationally

1859
01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:58,880
Speaker 1: want to yeah, I mean that was part of the

1860
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:01,200
Speaker 1: appeal Baraco. Remember how excited people weren't and you was

1861
01:28:01,240 --> 01:28:02,760
Speaker 1: elegd in two thousand and or you were a baby,

1862
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:06,640
Speaker 1: but they were excited. Even people who weren't really Democrats

1863
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:08,479
Speaker 1: or didn't even vote for they were excited because of

1864
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:09,960
Speaker 1: what it said about the country.

1865
01:28:10,439 --> 01:28:10,559
Speaker 2: Right.

1866
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:15,280
Speaker 1: She benefits from that as well, And I think for

1867
01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:20,519
Speaker 1: Republicans to try to make an explicitly racial or gender

1868
01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:23,280
Speaker 1: based case against her, I just think that will backfire,

1869
01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:25,599
Speaker 1: especially given the coalition they're trying to put together.

1870
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:27,679
Speaker 2: I'm not sure I agree, just because we have lived

1871
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:31,360
Speaker 2: through BLM madness, we lived through anti racism baby and

1872
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:33,160
Speaker 2: all this. Other people are fed up with a lot

1873
01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:34,800
Speaker 2: of this stuff. I mean, look, I'm not saying the

1874
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:37,040
Speaker 2: CRT thing was like a big winner. But I think

1875
01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:39,320
Speaker 2: if you look at the general trend, people are mostly

1876
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:42,519
Speaker 2: gone passed, People are mostly passed. A lot of the

1877
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:45,719
Speaker 2: BLM nonsense that was, you know, shoved down our throats

1878
01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:48,519
Speaker 2: for an entire what two or three years in this country.

1879
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:50,920
Speaker 2: I can't, I'm not. I can't be the only one

1880
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:54,120
Speaker 2: who was further radicalized on race as a question of

1881
01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:58,360
Speaker 2: that in terms of being explicitly against racialism in American politics.

1882
01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:02,160
Speaker 1: But that's the thing, Sager is, that's actually the biggest

1883
01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:05,000
Speaker 1: danger is that right now Republicans are the ones that

1884
01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:08,400
Speaker 1: are appear to be engaged in that racialism, because I

1885
01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:11,519
Speaker 1: do think you're right that Americans have an instinct towards

1886
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:16,360
Speaker 1: like the color blind ideal, and so when you're making

1887
01:29:16,520 --> 01:29:22,080
Speaker 1: an explicitly racialized case, it flips from you know, Democrats.

1888
01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:24,200
Speaker 1: There was a time when Democrats were the ones who

1889
01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:27,320
Speaker 1: were like word policing and nanny's in PC and cancel

1890
01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:30,280
Speaker 1: culture and all this stuff. And then Republicans flip the

1891
01:29:30,280 --> 01:29:33,000
Speaker 1: script because they got so obsessed with wokeness that it

1892
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:34,799
Speaker 1: seems like you guys are the ones who are obsessed

1893
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:38,439
Speaker 1: with this stuff. And it's the same dynamic now, Kama

1894
01:29:38,479 --> 01:29:41,840
Speaker 1: Harris is out there talking about like, you know, the

1895
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:45,000
Speaker 1: normal democratics, abortion and middle class, about all this stuff,

1896
01:29:45,320 --> 01:29:50,200
Speaker 1: and Republicans are out here making explicitly racialized case. I think,

1897
01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:54,320
Speaker 1: to a country that really prefers a color blind self perception,

1898
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:58,920
Speaker 1: at the very least, they find the explicitly racialized arguments

1899
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:01,160
Speaker 1: when they were made by democrat but now when they're

1900
01:30:01,200 --> 01:30:04,560
Speaker 1: being made by Republicans to be off putting, repellent and

1901
01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:08,000
Speaker 1: non and not appealing. That's what I think, because I

1902
01:30:08,120 --> 01:30:10,960
Speaker 1: do think that like the colorblind view, where you're not

1903
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:16,720
Speaker 1: obsessing over these demographic characteristics, is far more salient, far

1904
01:30:16,840 --> 01:30:19,680
Speaker 1: more reflective of like the aspirational place Americans want to be.

1905
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:22,120
Speaker 1: And so when it's Republicans who are the ones who

1906
01:30:22,160 --> 01:30:26,720
Speaker 1: are talking about, you know, racial characteristics, they're the ones

1907
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:30,200
Speaker 1: in danger of sort of violating that precept of oh, we're,

1908
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:31,280
Speaker 1: you know, supposed.

1909
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:33,000
Speaker 2: To be a real I personally, though, I feel a

1910
01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:35,439
Speaker 2: bit gaslight on this conversation because it's like, you can't

1911
01:30:35,479 --> 01:30:37,040
Speaker 2: and I'm not talking about you, but I'm saying media

1912
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Speaker 2: democrats know this. You can't spend the last twenty five

1913
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Speaker 2: years of American politics making everything about race and then

1914
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Speaker 2: when people say, hey, you were select because you're race,

1915
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Speaker 2: like you're bringing up race, It's like, hold on a second,

1916
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Speaker 2: what like what just happened here? So I will I

1917
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Speaker 2: am skeptical that this will have the negative effect because,

1918
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Speaker 2: like I said, I think there are a lot of

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Speaker 2: people out there. I mean, the affirmative action thing that

1920
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Speaker 2: was very popular for most people whenever it was struck down.

1921
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Speaker 1: It's actually a decent attack.

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Speaker 2: I don't trust anybody who is selected by affirmative action now,

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Speaker 2: especially whenever it's the most important job in the entire world.

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Speaker 2: So I think that's a decent enough attack.

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Speaker 4: Now.

1926
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Speaker 2: Also for now she's talking about abortion. How soon until

1927
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Speaker 2: we see explicit racialism that comes from her, about diversity

1928
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Speaker 2: quotas about the people who she's surrounded with. What percent

1929
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Speaker 2: of her staff is going to be black women or whatever,

1930
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Speaker 2: or Asian men or any of that. I mean, are

1931
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Speaker 2: we really saying that that instinct is dead in the

1932
01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:32,560
Speaker 2: modern Democratic Party? Like, of course not. The Biden administration

1933
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Speaker 2: has racial quotas literally for people who work for them.

1934
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Speaker 2: So this is somebody who also she always talked about

1935
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Speaker 2: her diversity in her office, Like you can't both believe

1936
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:46,000
Speaker 2: in that and then get upset whenever it's used against you. Now,

1937
01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:47,880
Speaker 2: if I were her, I agree, I would only talk

1938
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Speaker 2: about abortion in middle class issues. But I have no

1939
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Speaker 2: doubt that she, especially if not her, the media and

1940
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:56,000
Speaker 2: her surrogates will also make it into a thing. And

1941
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Speaker 2: I'm just not convinced yet that the backlash now would

1942
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Speaker 2: say used DEI I would say affirmative action and against

1943
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:05,320
Speaker 2: racialism specifically, which I think Democrats are the people who

1944
01:32:05,680 --> 01:32:08,640
Speaker 2: mostly use that rhetoric and have dominated the conversation now

1945
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Speaker 2: for a long time. I think pushing back against that

1946
01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:13,799
Speaker 2: is potent, has been for I can only speak for myself.

1947
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Speaker 2: I don't I don't know. We've only been here now

1948
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Speaker 2: for a week. I find it repellent that she was

1949
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Speaker 2: selected for that reason.

1950
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Speaker 1: I think you're definitely repellent that Joe Biden was selected.

1951
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Speaker 1: But that's kind of repellent, wasn't He was selected because.

1952
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Speaker 2: Of his character? Hected was white?

1953
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Speaker 1: Do you yes?

1954
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Speaker 2: The lies we tell ourselves? Also?

1955
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Speaker 1: Do you find it she's black? Do you find it

1956
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Speaker 1: repellent that? Right now? The just bed rock assumption is

1957
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Speaker 1: Kalma Harris got to pick a white.

1958
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Speaker 2: Man's not repellent because you shouldn't.

1959
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Speaker 1: I haven't heard you say or anyone else say anything

1960
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Speaker 1: about that.

1961
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Speaker 2: I don't know. Notice when I said Josh Shapiro, I

1962
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Speaker 2: say it because he's a actually popular governor. That's why

1963
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Speaker 2: I would. I mean, we're about to talk about VP.

1964
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Speaker 2: But I'm based on your statistics. I mean I would

1965
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Speaker 2: pick Gratchen Whitmer if I were to. I wouldn't necessarily

1966
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Speaker 2: pick a white man because she's popular in the state

1967
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Speaker 2: of Michigan. You got to win Michigan. I mean if

1968
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Speaker 2: she was black, I wouldn't care either. Who's the governor

1969
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Speaker 2: of Maryland? Was that guy's name Wes Moore?

1970
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Speaker 1: Esmore?

1971
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Speaker 2: He's a decent candidate. Are you pick him too? I

1972
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Speaker 2: think you could win. I'm serious. I mean, this is

1973
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Speaker 2: somebody who's from around here. He speaks well, right, He's

1974
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Speaker 2: one of those where he does a good job on

1975
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Speaker 2: the stump. I think he's quite popular, and he do

1976
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Speaker 2: a decent job with some of these swing voters like there.

1977
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Speaker 2: I just made the case was.

1978
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Speaker 1: A repellent that Mike Pen's got pick because he was

1979
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Speaker 1: an evangelical Well, it was a smart play, it was

1980
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Speaker 1: tactically smart. This is this is my point. Sarah Panllin

1981
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Speaker 1: picked because she was a woman, and she was young,

1982
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Speaker 1: and you know, she was picked for her I don't

1983
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Speaker 1: remember anyone saying it's repellent that she was picked for

1984
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Speaker 1: her demographic characteristics. So why is it repellent when it's

1985
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Speaker 1: a black woman pick for her characteristics, and it's not

1986
01:33:43,360 --> 01:33:46,280
Speaker 1: repellent when it's a white man picked for his characteristics because.

1987
01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:50,040
Speaker 2: They conversation about race, Like I said, the media and

1988
01:33:50,160 --> 01:33:53,599
Speaker 2: democrats again, we were literally donning themselves in kentake cloth,

1989
01:33:53,880 --> 01:33:56,799
Speaker 2: putting George Floyd and BLM signs up in every restaurant

1990
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Speaker 2: in the country, and then expecting everyone to just sit

1991
01:33:59,240 --> 01:34:01,599
Speaker 2: there and be like, oh, this is actually totally fine,

1992
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:04,839
Speaker 2: that we've completely lost our minds on all of this discussion.

1993
01:34:05,080 --> 01:34:07,880
Speaker 2: And then it's like getting mad whenever you say, hey,

1994
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Speaker 2: that was actually crazy. You were picked because of these reasons.

1995
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Speaker 1: Why why should we say But because it's not applied uniformly,

1996
01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:18,240
Speaker 1: that's my point. It's only applied when it's a black person,

1997
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:20,760
Speaker 1: that's the point. But they are if you're going to

1998
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Speaker 1: make the case, if you're going to make the case

1999
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Speaker 1: that people shouldn't be picked for the demographic characteristics, I

2000
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Speaker 1: am on board for that conversation. But that is not

2001
01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:32,760
Speaker 1: the case that's made. The case is only made. That's

2002
01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:34,920
Speaker 1: why DEI has just come to me and a black

2003
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Speaker 1: person with the job. It's only made when it is

2004
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Speaker 1: black people. It's no problem when a white dude gets

2005
01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:44,760
Speaker 1: picked because he's a white dude, or an evangelical dude

2006
01:34:44,760 --> 01:34:46,960
Speaker 1: gets picked because he's an evangelical dude, or he's picked

2007
01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:50,519
Speaker 1: fro because he's from Pennsylvania or whatever, that's no problem.

2008
01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:53,439
Speaker 1: That's fine, and isn't a mark against them. And so

2009
01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:55,680
Speaker 1: it's just it's just a blatant double standard. And like

2010
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Speaker 1: I said, listen, you can make the case all you want.

2011
01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:00,800
Speaker 1: It's fine. I have no issue with it. Make the case,

2012
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:05,639
Speaker 1: but I think Republicans run a real risk of being

2013
01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:09,200
Speaker 1: seen as the party that is racial obsessed with race

2014
01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:12,920
Speaker 1: in the election. And you're right, the party that seems

2015
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:15,000
Speaker 1: like they're obsessed with race like Democrats did with the

2016
01:35:15,040 --> 01:35:17,360
Speaker 1: Can Take All and all that stuff, right the party

2017
01:35:17,439 --> 01:35:21,320
Speaker 1: that seems like they are obsessed with identity characteristics is

2018
01:35:21,479 --> 01:35:24,920
Speaker 1: in a poor position. And right now it's the Republicans

2019
01:35:24,920 --> 01:35:28,000
Speaker 1: who seem much more obsessed with her being a woman

2020
01:35:28,280 --> 01:35:31,960
Speaker 1: and being a black woman. And I don't think it's

2021
01:35:31,960 --> 01:35:32,559
Speaker 1: wise for them.

2022
01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:35,120
Speaker 2: And we'll see. I'm not going to put it past

2023
01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:38,320
Speaker 2: the BLM people to bring it all right back circle,

2024
01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:38,840
Speaker 2: especially the.

2025
01:35:38,920 --> 01:35:43,120
Speaker 1: BLM people actually post Kamala Harris's coronation. By the way,

2026
01:35:43,400 --> 01:35:47,519
Speaker 1: for what it's worth, they wanted an open convention. They

2027
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:48,400
Speaker 1: put on a whole thing.

2028
01:35:49,640 --> 01:35:51,360
Speaker 2: We're going to object to miss bail fund, like what

2029
01:35:51,479 --> 01:35:54,639
Speaker 2: are we doing here? Like that's ridiculous. But look anyway,

2030
01:35:55,120 --> 01:35:58,439
Speaker 2: I will, I will. I'll tell you what. If Republicans lose,

2031
01:35:58,840 --> 01:36:01,840
Speaker 2: and they lose what even more of the black vote

2032
01:36:02,160 --> 01:36:06,360
Speaker 2: and suburban white vote than they did in twenty twenty,

2033
01:36:06,439 --> 01:36:08,040
Speaker 2: then I'll think you're right. But if they don't, and

2034
01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:09,439
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, I think it was actually a smart

2035
01:36:09,439 --> 01:36:11,080
Speaker 2: play and I'm curious to see.

2036
01:36:11,280 --> 01:36:13,280
Speaker 1: How Ever, why don't you think that Donald Trump is

2037
01:36:13,360 --> 01:36:13,680
Speaker 1: making this.

2038
01:36:13,800 --> 01:36:15,720
Speaker 2: Argument because he's only it's only been out for five

2039
01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:17,400
Speaker 2: days because he got shot in the ear, and he's

2040
01:36:17,400 --> 01:36:19,599
Speaker 2: only said had enough time to stay laughing and Kamala

2041
01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:22,599
Speaker 2: are what is it? Lion? Kamala? It's oh yeah, okay, whatever,

2042
01:36:22,920 --> 01:36:23,880
Speaker 2: I think laughing is better.

2043
01:36:24,200 --> 01:36:26,800
Speaker 1: I mean, the rerect these these terms are. He has

2044
01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:31,280
Speaker 1: studiously avoided all of these terms because they sound like

2045
01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:33,519
Speaker 1: a secret language to like normal voters.

2046
01:36:33,560 --> 01:36:35,400
Speaker 2: I agree, don't use the term DEI like use the

2047
01:36:35,479 --> 01:36:37,960
Speaker 2: term affirmative action. That's accurate. Everybody knows what that one means,

2048
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:40,000
Speaker 2: and everybody also is going to know that that's correct

2049
01:36:40,040 --> 01:36:42,080
Speaker 2: whenever it's used against her. But okay, I think we

2050
01:36:42,120 --> 01:36:43,280
Speaker 2: probably beat this convers Yeah.

2051
01:36:43,439 --> 01:36:46,240
Speaker 1: So the other the other argument that they've been making

2052
01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:49,479
Speaker 1: is that she is insufficiently pro Israel, which I think

2053
01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:53,360
Speaker 1: is another you know, electoral loser in terms of arguments

2054
01:36:53,439 --> 01:36:56,000
Speaker 1: against her. I think we have a c five of

2055
01:36:56,200 --> 01:36:58,439
Speaker 1: evidence of this case that's being made against her this week.

2056
01:36:58,520 --> 01:36:59,200
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

2057
01:36:59,439 --> 01:37:03,000
Speaker 8: This is the astounding bad decision not to appear behind

2058
01:37:03,120 --> 01:37:07,080
Speaker 8: BB as Vice President of the United States. This is

2059
01:37:07,120 --> 01:37:10,240
Speaker 8: a signal to Thomas has Blah and Iran that we

2060
01:37:10,600 --> 01:37:13,960
Speaker 8: literally do not have BB's back. This is really her

2061
01:37:14,080 --> 01:37:19,200
Speaker 8: first major foreign policy decision, and she's gotten anf already.

2062
01:37:19,240 --> 01:37:19,920
Speaker 5: You got a question.

2063
01:37:20,240 --> 01:37:23,120
Speaker 9: She will not show up for the Prime Minister's Joint

2064
01:37:23,160 --> 01:37:26,320
Speaker 9: Session of Congress today. She rather addressed in the summer

2065
01:37:26,680 --> 01:37:29,840
Speaker 9: a sorority, a cod sorority, like she can't get out

2066
01:37:29,840 --> 01:37:32,360
Speaker 9: of that. What she's doing is she's running away from Israel.

2067
01:37:32,640 --> 01:37:37,080
Speaker 9: She refuses to go to Bibnet YadA Yahu's in Washington.

2068
01:37:37,160 --> 01:37:38,160
Speaker 5: She refuses to be.

2069
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:43,679
Speaker 9: Even if you're against Israel or you're against the Jewish people,

2070
01:37:43,880 --> 01:37:46,960
Speaker 9: show up and listen to the concept. But she's totally

2071
01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:50,839
Speaker 9: against the Jewish people. And it amazes me how Jewish

2072
01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:54,479
Speaker 9: people will vote for the Democrats when they're being treated

2073
01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:56,759
Speaker 9: so disrespectfully and badly.

2074
01:37:57,120 --> 01:37:58,120
Speaker 5: It amazes me.

2075
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:01,160
Speaker 9: It's shocking.

2076
01:38:01,320 --> 01:38:02,320
Speaker 1: I don't I don't.

2077
01:38:03,040 --> 01:38:05,799
Speaker 9: So now we have a new victim to defeat Lion

2078
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:08,280
Speaker 9: Kamala Harris, Lion.

2079
01:38:08,360 --> 01:38:08,720
Speaker 8: L y.

2080
01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:15,160
Speaker 1: So I'm not going with Lion. Lion is not his

2081
01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:17,760
Speaker 1: best work, not not laughing. Kamala also not his best work.

2082
01:38:17,840 --> 01:38:20,559
Speaker 2: Why and Ted worked because it really had this one? Yeah, laughing,

2083
01:38:21,320 --> 01:38:23,880
Speaker 2: I could see it. I don't know. He needs something better.

2084
01:38:24,160 --> 01:38:25,120
Speaker 2: He needs to bring the magic back.

2085
01:38:25,160 --> 01:38:29,439
Speaker 1: Also, the honestly crazy kamalas used crazy for a bunch

2086
01:38:29,479 --> 01:38:31,320
Speaker 1: of time. I would be probably, I think it would

2087
01:38:31,320 --> 01:38:34,920
Speaker 1: be better than those. But Nancy insufficiently pro Israel. I

2088
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:36,679
Speaker 1: also don't think is the political winner.

2089
01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:38,679
Speaker 2: That Look, I don't think people care that much about Israel,

2090
01:38:38,800 --> 01:38:41,400
Speaker 2: especially now today. Maybe some young voters. Even then it's

2091
01:38:41,479 --> 01:38:43,840
Speaker 2: not the majority, So like, I don't think it's going

2092
01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:46,360
Speaker 2: to be the deciding election in terms of the money though,

2093
01:38:46,600 --> 01:38:48,800
Speaker 2: that's where a lot of money is for donors. Yeah,

2094
01:38:48,880 --> 01:38:50,639
Speaker 2: that's that's probably why he's doing.

2095
01:38:50,760 --> 01:38:53,880
Speaker 1: That's it. But it's also, like, you know, to the extent,

2096
01:38:54,160 --> 01:38:55,840
Speaker 1: so I think for young voters it doesn't. I think

2097
01:38:55,840 --> 01:38:58,280
Speaker 1: they're watching very closely what Kamala Harris does and says

2098
01:38:58,320 --> 01:39:00,160
Speaker 1: in these next few days, and I think that is

2099
01:39:00,360 --> 01:39:02,479
Speaker 1: consequential for her in terms of being able to put

2100
01:39:02,520 --> 01:39:07,440
Speaker 1: together that sort of recapture some of the Obama coalition,

2101
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:10,680
Speaker 1: but for a broader general electorate to the extent that

2102
01:39:10,760 --> 01:39:12,479
Speaker 1: it matters at all, it's the sense of like, why

2103
01:39:12,520 --> 01:39:14,760
Speaker 1: are you fixated on these why are you obsessed over

2104
01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:17,320
Speaker 1: these foreign countries when you know we got a lot

2105
01:39:17,360 --> 01:39:17,840
Speaker 1: of problems here.

2106
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:20,800
Speaker 2: I count myself part of that. I don't really care

2107
01:39:20,840 --> 01:39:23,920
Speaker 2: what you know about whether she's sufficiently pro is reeled

2108
01:39:24,080 --> 01:39:26,240
Speaker 2: or not. But whatever, Okay, we got a good conversation

2109
01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:27,320
Speaker 2: by VP. Let's get to it.

2110
01:39:29,880 --> 01:39:30,200
Speaker 7: All right.

2111
01:39:30,320 --> 01:39:33,120
Speaker 2: Moving on now to discussion of vice president. Who is

2112
01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:35,720
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris going to pick to be her candidate? Let's

2113
01:39:35,720 --> 01:39:37,840
Speaker 2: put this up there on the screen. There's between seven

2114
01:39:37,880 --> 01:39:40,800
Speaker 2: to twelve names that have been floated out there. Going

2115
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:43,040
Speaker 2: to start off with the most obvious and probably the

2116
01:39:43,080 --> 01:39:45,000
Speaker 2: front runner, I think it's fair to say it's Pennsylvania

2117
01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:49,560
Speaker 2: Governor Josh Shapiro, enormously popular in the state of Pennsylvania.

2118
01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:53,600
Speaker 2: His high approval rating obviously did very well against Doug Mastriano.

2119
01:39:53,720 --> 01:39:56,600
Speaker 2: Pennsylvania is a must win state. Number two on the

2120
01:39:56,680 --> 01:40:00,040
Speaker 2: list is Senator Mark Kelly of Arizona. I personally, I

2121
01:40:00,080 --> 01:40:02,800
Speaker 2: don't think she's going to pick Mark Kelly because if

2122
01:40:02,880 --> 01:40:05,600
Speaker 2: he was gone, then that would open up a competitive

2123
01:40:05,640 --> 01:40:08,960
Speaker 2: Senate seat in a battleground state where it's been a

2124
01:40:09,040 --> 01:40:12,280
Speaker 2: bit of hit or miss for Democrats so far. Number

2125
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Speaker 2: three is apparently a North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper. Now,

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Speaker 2: apparently her and Cooper go way back, both serving as

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01:40:19,360 --> 01:40:23,280
Speaker 2: AG's and have some experience together. That would put him

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01:40:23,360 --> 01:40:25,880
Speaker 2: possibly higher on the list, since this is such a

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01:40:25,960 --> 01:40:28,880
Speaker 2: crazy time that you definitely want somebody that you might

2130
01:40:28,920 --> 01:40:33,519
Speaker 2: be comfortable with comfortable with. Next is Kentucky Governor Andy Basheer.

2131
01:40:33,760 --> 01:40:35,760
Speaker 2: He's been all over television in the last couple of

2132
01:40:35,880 --> 01:40:40,040
Speaker 2: days attacking JD. Vance really auditioning himself for the job.

2133
01:40:40,120 --> 01:40:42,200
Speaker 2: He was also what is he the most blue governor

2134
01:40:42,240 --> 01:40:43,880
Speaker 2: of a red state in the whole country.

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01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:47,200
Speaker 1: He is the most popular governor Democratic governor in the

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01:40:47,320 --> 01:40:48,080
Speaker 1: entire most.

2137
01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:50,200
Speaker 2: Popular governor of the democratic right. But at the same time,

2138
01:40:50,400 --> 01:40:52,639
Speaker 2: no one's wenting Kentucky in the twenty twenty four election.

2139
01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:55,519
Speaker 2: But you know, maybe he could have some crossover rural appeal.

2140
01:40:55,800 --> 01:40:57,920
Speaker 2: Tim Waltz is apparently on the list. That's the governor

2141
01:40:58,120 --> 01:41:02,479
Speaker 2: of Minnesota, Illinois Governor JB. Pritzker. Pritzker is a billionaire,

2142
01:41:02,840 --> 01:41:05,120
Speaker 2: probably helps in terms of bringing in the money. It's

2143
01:41:05,120 --> 01:41:08,120
Speaker 2: also the governor of a Midwestern state. And then Gretchen Whitmer.

2144
01:41:08,200 --> 01:41:09,880
Speaker 2: So what are we getting. We're getting a sense of

2145
01:41:10,280 --> 01:41:14,720
Speaker 2: governors boring from the Midwest, people who are popular in

2146
01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:17,559
Speaker 2: their home states and can bring it home at least

2147
01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:21,160
Speaker 2: in the battlegrounds with some of these white working class voters.

2148
01:41:21,400 --> 01:41:24,080
Speaker 2: And we'll see. There's another list that is out there

2149
01:41:24,479 --> 01:41:27,680
Speaker 2: of some twelve people that are allegedly on the list.

2150
01:41:27,760 --> 01:41:30,280
Speaker 2: Let's see who am I missing from the list that

2151
01:41:30,320 --> 01:41:32,680
Speaker 2: I spoke out. Okay, so the outside team is being

2152
01:41:32,800 --> 01:41:35,960
Speaker 2: vetted by Eric Holder some of the other people that

2153
01:41:36,040 --> 01:41:38,599
Speaker 2: are on the list that I missed here, I think

2154
01:41:38,760 --> 01:41:40,880
Speaker 2: what was it. Tim McRaven was on the list, or

2155
01:41:41,320 --> 01:41:46,320
Speaker 2: Admiral he removed himself. Okay, here we go. Gina Raymondo,

2156
01:41:46,600 --> 01:41:50,800
Speaker 2: the current Commerce Secretary Transportation Budajig. I would not do

2157
01:41:50,920 --> 01:41:55,800
Speaker 2: that one, and Arizona Kelly Yes. At the same time,

2158
01:41:56,000 --> 01:41:58,240
Speaker 2: given his electoral track record last time in a South

2159
01:41:58,320 --> 01:42:00,800
Speaker 2: Carolina results, that's not some what I was gonna pick.

2160
01:42:01,200 --> 01:42:03,439
Speaker 2: I don't think he did well enough in Iowa to

2161
01:42:03,560 --> 01:42:05,600
Speaker 2: prove that he has a real constituency outside of like

2162
01:42:05,720 --> 01:42:09,719
Speaker 2: hardcore Democrats, he doesn't have electoral sense really in the past,

2163
01:42:10,280 --> 01:42:13,120
Speaker 2: and I don't think he's got enough crossover appeal or

2164
01:42:13,479 --> 01:42:16,519
Speaker 2: coalition support to actually bring them in the same when

2165
01:42:16,560 --> 01:42:19,479
Speaker 2: you compare him to a governor like our governor, battle

2166
01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:24,200
Speaker 2: tested in the election, high approval rating, actually an executive,

2167
01:42:24,400 --> 01:42:26,759
Speaker 2: someone you can picture in the job, someone who Democratic

2168
01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:30,639
Speaker 2: voters know I would pick a governor if I were Pete.

2169
01:42:30,640 --> 01:42:32,280
Speaker 1: I think you could do worse than I agree with you.

2170
01:42:32,640 --> 01:42:33,400
Speaker 2: You can do worse in people.

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01:42:33,439 --> 01:42:35,280
Speaker 1: I think you do worse than Pete. I think Pete

2172
01:42:35,320 --> 01:42:37,400
Speaker 1: has actually grown into his role as a regular he's

2173
01:42:37,400 --> 01:42:39,360
Speaker 1: gotten much better about, you know, the things he's doing

2174
01:42:39,400 --> 01:42:41,320
Speaker 1: in regard to the airlines whatever. He's very good on

2175
01:42:41,400 --> 01:42:44,120
Speaker 1: gable news is that's what he's always like excelled at.

2176
01:42:44,200 --> 01:42:45,000
Speaker 2: That's his only job.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, I do think you could do worse than Pete.

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01:42:48,560 --> 01:42:52,320
Speaker 1: That being said, I personally I'm hoping that he picks

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01:42:52,760 --> 01:42:58,080
Speaker 1: that she picks Tim Walls because Minnesota governor, he's got

2180
01:42:58,200 --> 01:43:02,519
Speaker 1: this like kind of fun grandpa that he was a

2181
01:43:02,600 --> 01:43:06,639
Speaker 1: high school teacher. He's a veteran, and he pushed through

2182
01:43:06,960 --> 01:43:10,559
Speaker 1: a you know, truly like all the Democratic agenda items

2183
01:43:10,640 --> 01:43:14,000
Speaker 1: on wages and schools and the whole lot, with like

2184
01:43:14,080 --> 01:43:17,040
Speaker 1: a one vote majority in the state of Minnesota. Minnesota

2185
01:43:17,080 --> 01:43:20,000
Speaker 1: is still sort of a swing state, So I like him.

2186
01:43:20,160 --> 01:43:22,880
Speaker 1: That means he probably won't get picked. My assumption is

2187
01:43:22,960 --> 01:43:25,400
Speaker 1: that the person that you know, I want to be

2188
01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:28,760
Speaker 1: at the least, which is probably Joshuapiro, is likely to

2189
01:43:29,240 --> 01:43:31,800
Speaker 1: get the nod. And I mean the electoral calculatory. I

2190
01:43:31,880 --> 01:43:34,280
Speaker 1: understand from their perspective like, oh, it's Pennsylvania and he

2191
01:43:34,400 --> 01:43:36,720
Speaker 1: won by a lot. However, I think there are also

2192
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:41,080
Speaker 1: risk factors with him that they are probably likely to overlook.

2193
01:43:41,160 --> 01:43:43,519
Speaker 1: Which is, as I've mentioned a few times, I think

2194
01:43:43,560 --> 01:43:46,439
Speaker 1: people are watching very closely right now what Kamala says

2195
01:43:46,520 --> 01:43:48,840
Speaker 1: and does with regard to Israel. Big part of the

2196
01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:51,479
Speaker 1: reason why Joe Biden was performing so poorly with young

2197
01:43:51,560 --> 01:43:56,360
Speaker 1: people was about Israel and the genocide in Gaza. She's

2198
01:43:56,439 --> 01:44:00,360
Speaker 1: getting a little bit of grace on that. And Piro

2199
01:44:00,880 --> 01:44:05,519
Speaker 1: was very outspoken with regard to the college protests, and

2200
01:44:05,680 --> 01:44:07,839
Speaker 1: he took a lot of action to quash the college protests,

2201
01:44:08,120 --> 01:44:11,600
Speaker 1: and he compared palistating protesters to pro Palestine protesters to

2202
01:44:11,640 --> 01:44:14,800
Speaker 1: the KKK. That's a hard thing to get past. He's

2203
01:44:14,920 --> 01:44:20,120
Speaker 1: also has a lot of skepticism from unions because he

2204
01:44:20,240 --> 01:44:23,600
Speaker 1: was aggressively pro charter school in the state of Pennsylvania

2205
01:44:23,680 --> 01:44:27,320
Speaker 1: as well. So while I understand the electoral calculus with

2206
01:44:27,439 --> 01:44:30,400
Speaker 1: it being you know, Pennsylvania and him being popular, and

2207
01:44:30,520 --> 01:44:33,519
Speaker 1: he's you know, he's good on camera, and he does

2208
01:44:33,560 --> 01:44:36,599
Speaker 1: all the politician ethings well, et cetera. And he has

2209
01:44:36,680 --> 01:44:40,560
Speaker 1: some policy track record that I would be amenable to.

2210
01:44:41,160 --> 01:44:43,759
Speaker 1: David Sarato points as you know, track record of holding

2211
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:46,600
Speaker 1: power to account at certain times, that's going to be

2212
01:44:46,640 --> 01:44:50,320
Speaker 1: a tough pill for people who really care about Israel

2213
01:44:50,360 --> 01:44:53,360
Speaker 1: Gaza to swallow. So I think there's a risk that

2214
01:44:53,520 --> 01:44:57,840
Speaker 1: she undercuts the high level of like excitement and enthusiasm

2215
01:44:57,920 --> 01:44:59,920
Speaker 1: and democratic unity that she's benefiting from her.

2216
01:45:00,160 --> 01:45:02,720
Speaker 2: It's possible. I just I don't want to over overestimate

2217
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:04,600
Speaker 2: how much it actually is, because I think that the

2218
01:45:04,680 --> 01:45:07,320
Speaker 2: craziness of the election is going to just you know,

2219
01:45:07,560 --> 01:45:11,439
Speaker 2: in terms of the enthusiasm and in terms of the

2220
01:45:11,520 --> 01:45:15,240
Speaker 2: defining issues. Already, the media attention on Gaza is probably

2221
01:45:15,360 --> 01:45:18,080
Speaker 2: like one fiftieth of what it was previously, and a

2222
01:45:18,120 --> 01:45:19,280
Speaker 2: lot of people are just gonna suck it up and

2223
01:45:19,280 --> 01:45:20,960
Speaker 2: they're going to vote for Kamala. I think a lot

2224
01:45:20,960 --> 01:45:22,360
Speaker 2: of people would have suck it up and voted for

2225
01:45:22,400 --> 01:45:25,479
Speaker 2: Joe Biden anyways, a lot less. But now, because she's

2226
01:45:25,520 --> 01:45:28,240
Speaker 2: so undefined, all she has to do is like kind

2227
01:45:28,320 --> 01:45:30,760
Speaker 2: of not taken a real stance on the issue, and

2228
01:45:30,880 --> 01:45:33,600
Speaker 2: she's kind of the beneficiary of both. That's what I

2229
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:35,320
Speaker 2: would do if I were her. I'll tell you this

2230
01:45:35,360 --> 01:45:37,479
Speaker 2: about Josh Shapiro, the man. All he knows how to

2231
01:45:37,520 --> 01:45:39,519
Speaker 2: talk about is abortion, and he's good at it. So

2232
01:45:39,760 --> 01:45:42,560
Speaker 2: my sister in law showed me his TikTok account this

2233
01:45:42,680 --> 01:45:46,240
Speaker 2: guy has got hundreds of thousands of TikTok followers. Every

2234
01:45:46,439 --> 01:45:49,240
Speaker 2: single thing he posts is about abortion, and I hate

2235
01:45:49,240 --> 01:45:51,280
Speaker 2: to say it, it's good. He actually does well. You know,

2236
01:45:51,360 --> 01:45:53,360
Speaker 2: he does the blinking meme where he's like me whenever

2237
01:45:53,439 --> 01:45:56,439
Speaker 2: Republicans are trying to pan abortion, he's like, blink, blink, blink,

2238
01:45:56,760 --> 01:45:59,120
Speaker 2: and it's got hundreds of thousands of views, and it's

2239
01:45:59,160 --> 01:46:01,600
Speaker 2: like me when republic are radically trying to throw a

2240
01:46:01,680 --> 01:46:04,519
Speaker 2: national abortion man, he's like fifty versions of that. Of that,

2241
01:46:04,920 --> 01:46:06,760
Speaker 2: he's quite talented at it. I mean, he's one of

2242
01:46:06,800 --> 01:46:09,559
Speaker 2: those where I think he messages correctly on the issue.

2243
01:46:09,800 --> 01:46:11,599
Speaker 2: And so if I were her and I'm just I'm

2244
01:46:11,680 --> 01:46:14,400
Speaker 2: focusing in on two hundred and seventy one electoral votes,

2245
01:46:14,560 --> 01:46:17,639
Speaker 2: I think he's probably the best pick. Especially she's less

2246
01:46:17,680 --> 01:46:20,680
Speaker 2: connected to Israel Gaza. You can have whitmerk and bring

2247
01:46:20,800 --> 01:46:23,840
Speaker 2: it home for you in a similar way, especially to Stump,

2248
01:46:24,080 --> 01:46:26,599
Speaker 2: you're more undefined on the issue, and you know, at

2249
01:46:26,600 --> 01:46:28,000
Speaker 2: the end of the day, what we're really talking about

2250
01:46:28,040 --> 01:46:29,599
Speaker 2: here a million people are so we're going to vote

2251
01:46:29,600 --> 01:46:31,400
Speaker 2: on Israel Gaza. There's probably going to be one hundred

2252
01:46:31,400 --> 01:46:33,240
Speaker 2: million people who cast their votes. Now, if you do

2253
01:46:33,280 --> 01:46:34,880
Speaker 2: it in the right way strategically, it was going to

2254
01:46:34,920 --> 01:46:37,479
Speaker 2: make an impact. But it's not Biden. It's just different.

2255
01:46:37,720 --> 01:46:39,960
Speaker 2: Whenever it's not the guy who literally, you know, Bear

2256
01:46:40,040 --> 01:46:42,439
Speaker 2: hugged Nanta. It's just fundamentally it's very different.

2257
01:46:42,640 --> 01:46:44,840
Speaker 1: I think I think it's I think it's more of

2258
01:46:44,880 --> 01:46:48,800
Speaker 1: an issue than than you do. But I accept that,

2259
01:46:49,240 --> 01:46:51,800
Speaker 1: and I regret to admit that they're probably looking at

2260
01:46:51,800 --> 01:46:53,760
Speaker 1: it similarly to how you are. Now, what could be

2261
01:46:53,840 --> 01:46:56,479
Speaker 1: more of a problem for them is that Shapiro had

2262
01:46:56,640 --> 01:46:58,680
Speaker 1: settled some like sexual harassment.

2263
01:46:58,320 --> 01:47:00,479
Speaker 2: Obligation, but it was about his staff, wasn't him.

2264
01:47:00,920 --> 01:47:03,840
Speaker 1: But you know, if like you're trying to make that

2265
01:47:03,960 --> 01:47:06,560
Speaker 1: contrast with Donald Trump and that's hanging over him, I

2266
01:47:06,600 --> 01:47:08,519
Speaker 1: could see that being a hang up for them in

2267
01:47:08,680 --> 01:47:11,600
Speaker 1: terms of the vetting process. And then I also the

2268
01:47:11,720 --> 01:47:14,280
Speaker 1: other thing that's that's been floated. I don't know if

2269
01:47:14,320 --> 01:47:17,320
Speaker 1: I really I don't really buy this, uh that he's

2270
01:47:17,680 --> 01:47:20,240
Speaker 1: Jewish and so you know, if you're looking for that

2271
01:47:20,520 --> 01:47:23,160
Speaker 1: just straight up white dude, which seems to be like

2272
01:47:23,320 --> 01:47:26,160
Speaker 1: the tenor of the conversation that he may not fit

2273
01:47:26,240 --> 01:47:29,920
Speaker 1: the bill. But I don't know that I don't think

2274
01:47:29,960 --> 01:47:32,800
Speaker 1: so either, But I don't know that. I don't know how. Yeah,

2275
01:47:32,880 --> 01:47:34,800
Speaker 1: people have been saying that, I don't I don't know

2276
01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:36,439
Speaker 1: if that. I don't know how they're looking at it.

2277
01:47:36,880 --> 01:47:37,960
Speaker 1: I don't think it matters either.

2278
01:47:38,240 --> 01:47:40,439
Speaker 2: But I remember the Jewish faith, I know.

2279
01:47:40,840 --> 01:47:45,680
Speaker 1: But what anyway that's out there the other one. So

2280
01:47:46,080 --> 01:47:49,920
Speaker 1: I already I like Tim Walls. Andy Sheer is interesting.

2281
01:47:49,960 --> 01:47:52,160
Speaker 1: I think he's an interesting contrast with Jadie Vance being

2282
01:47:52,200 --> 01:47:55,160
Speaker 1: from Kentucky, may you speak about Appalachia. That's the contrast

2283
01:47:55,200 --> 01:47:57,840
Speaker 1: he's trying to make. He's got, he's pro labor. He

2284
01:47:57,920 --> 01:48:01,200
Speaker 1: has had a track record, obviously of extreme success in

2285
01:48:01,280 --> 01:48:04,519
Speaker 1: a very difficult state. So that's that's appealing for him,

2286
01:48:04,560 --> 01:48:08,360
Speaker 1: even though Kentucky obviously not a swing state. I feel

2287
01:48:08,400 --> 01:48:11,120
Speaker 1: like Roy Cooper has a good shot at it because

2288
01:48:11,240 --> 01:48:13,800
Speaker 1: they have that long personal relationship. I don't know how

2289
01:48:13,960 --> 01:48:16,280
Speaker 1: she's looking at the choice. If I was making the choice,

2290
01:48:16,280 --> 01:48:19,040
Speaker 1: I would want someone that I knew and like outside

2291
01:48:19,080 --> 01:48:21,920
Speaker 1: of just this two week time frame. I'm not sure

2292
01:48:21,960 --> 01:48:24,120
Speaker 1: who else she may have that personal relationship with. But

2293
01:48:24,200 --> 01:48:26,679
Speaker 1: I know Roy Cooper. She's done a number of events

2294
01:48:26,720 --> 01:48:28,360
Speaker 1: with him here. They know each other from the time

2295
01:48:28,360 --> 01:48:32,680
Speaker 1: when they were ages is much more in terms of

2296
01:48:33,360 --> 01:48:35,720
Speaker 1: he's a very safe and cautious politician in terms of

2297
01:48:35,760 --> 01:48:37,960
Speaker 1: North Carolina, and he also has been very successful in

2298
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:40,599
Speaker 1: a state that is pretty much read. Could they potentially

2299
01:48:40,640 --> 01:48:43,080
Speaker 1: put in North Carolina in play? I think possibly. Biden

2300
01:48:43,160 --> 01:48:45,400
Speaker 1: only lost it by like less than two percentage points

2301
01:48:45,439 --> 01:48:48,520
Speaker 1: least time around, So maybe with some of the demographic

2302
01:48:48,600 --> 01:48:50,719
Speaker 1: shifts that having Comma at the top of the ticket

2303
01:48:51,320 --> 01:48:54,439
Speaker 1: potentially pretends that's a possibility. The downside with him is

2304
01:48:54,560 --> 01:48:56,600
Speaker 1: Democrats are looking at hey, this guy could run for

2305
01:48:56,680 --> 01:48:59,080
Speaker 1: Senate in North Carolina, have a shot down the road,

2306
01:48:59,240 --> 01:49:01,760
Speaker 1: and you are taking him off the board for that.

2307
01:49:01,960 --> 01:49:03,680
Speaker 1: So I don't know if that's a factor. I'm not

2308
01:49:03,720 --> 01:49:06,120
Speaker 1: sure Mark Kelly could put D two up on the screen.

2309
01:49:07,240 --> 01:49:10,160
Speaker 1: One of the issues that the left and a lot

2310
01:49:10,200 --> 01:49:12,200
Speaker 1: of labor unions have had with Mark Kelly is he

2311
01:49:12,360 --> 01:49:16,000
Speaker 1: was one of the only Democrats who had not signed

2312
01:49:16,040 --> 01:49:18,920
Speaker 1: on to the pro Act, which is, you know, the

2313
01:49:19,080 --> 01:49:23,240
Speaker 1: sort of like comprehensive pro labor legislation that Democrats under

2314
01:49:23,240 --> 01:49:27,040
Speaker 1: the Biden administration were pushing. Now, under pressure, he's like, oh, no, no, no,

2315
01:49:27,240 --> 01:49:29,280
Speaker 1: I of course I support it. Of course I would

2316
01:49:29,360 --> 01:49:32,679
Speaker 1: vote for it. Okay, there are other reasons that unions

2317
01:49:32,680 --> 01:49:36,599
Speaker 1: are concerned about him as well, some nominees pro labor

2318
01:49:36,680 --> 01:49:39,519
Speaker 1: nominees that he voted against and had issues with, So

2319
01:49:39,640 --> 01:49:41,600
Speaker 1: it's outside of just the pro Act, but that was

2320
01:49:41,680 --> 01:49:44,320
Speaker 1: kind of the most glaring issue for him. But in

2321
01:49:44,439 --> 01:49:46,519
Speaker 1: terms of his pick, I think your right SoC are.

2322
01:49:46,560 --> 01:49:48,120
Speaker 1: The biggest problem for him is are they really going

2323
01:49:48,200 --> 01:49:51,320
Speaker 1: to want to take his put his seat into play

2324
01:49:52,280 --> 01:49:55,760
Speaker 1: in Arizona and you know risk that. I think that's

2325
01:49:55,920 --> 01:49:56,600
Speaker 1: that's a problem for me.

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01:49:56,680 --> 01:49:58,640
Speaker 2: Well, you know, here's a conversation we all just had

2327
01:49:58,760 --> 01:50:01,719
Speaker 2: which we left out the most important constituency, the donors.

2328
01:50:01,840 --> 01:50:05,439
Speaker 2: The donor class loves Josh Shapiro, right, this is one

2329
01:50:05,479 --> 01:50:08,599
Speaker 2: where he has made it a point with Israel thing,

2330
01:50:08,680 --> 01:50:11,240
Speaker 2: but many other issues as well. The charge school thing

2331
01:50:11,280 --> 01:50:14,400
Speaker 2: is a real tell right about what exactly is happening here?

2332
01:50:14,760 --> 01:50:18,559
Speaker 2: And if I were the donor class, we know Crystal,

2333
01:50:18,760 --> 01:50:21,479
Speaker 2: we know their politics. There's news out this morning that

2334
01:50:21,560 --> 01:50:24,560
Speaker 2: read Hoffman apparently gave seven million dollars to Kamala and

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01:50:24,720 --> 01:50:26,600
Speaker 2: was like, well, you got to fire Lena Kahan, you

2336
01:50:26,640 --> 01:50:29,120
Speaker 2: know if something like that happens. So they're making their

2337
01:50:29,160 --> 01:50:32,679
Speaker 2: plays too, and Kamala may actually be more donor dependent,

2338
01:50:33,439 --> 01:50:36,080
Speaker 2: maybe as much donor dependent as Trump now at this point,

2339
01:50:36,320 --> 01:50:38,040
Speaker 2: because she's late to the game and she's got to

2340
01:50:38,080 --> 01:50:40,200
Speaker 2: make up some of this cash. She's got the hundred million,

2341
01:50:40,240 --> 01:50:42,240
Speaker 2: but she's gonna need a billion point probably a one

2342
01:50:42,280 --> 01:50:45,519
Speaker 2: point five billion to contend with the Republican superPAC machine.

2343
01:50:45,600 --> 01:50:48,519
Speaker 2: So the money, while it is there, there are certain

2344
01:50:48,560 --> 01:50:51,519
Speaker 2: things that come with that price. And because she was

2345
01:50:51,600 --> 01:50:54,240
Speaker 2: anointed and will be a product of super Delegac and

2346
01:50:54,280 --> 01:50:56,439
Speaker 2: more at the DNC, those donors are probably going to

2347
01:50:56,479 --> 01:50:59,160
Speaker 2: have even more of an outside impact on the VP selection.

2348
01:50:59,280 --> 01:51:00,920
Speaker 2: So that's why, you know, if you look at their

2349
01:51:01,000 --> 01:51:03,240
Speaker 2: ideology too, in the way they look, that's not a

2350
01:51:03,280 --> 01:51:04,120
Speaker 2: bad case to make.

2351
01:51:04,320 --> 01:51:06,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I think if you're going with the donor pick,

2352
01:51:06,120 --> 01:51:07,920
Speaker 1: you're probably picking Pete True.

2353
01:51:08,080 --> 01:51:09,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, they love him, They do love if.

2354
01:51:09,760 --> 01:51:12,720
Speaker 1: Shapiro does have some track record, and I have to

2355
01:51:12,800 --> 01:51:14,840
Speaker 1: look back at the things David Sero has written, but

2356
01:51:14,880 --> 01:51:17,799
Speaker 1: he does have some genuine track record of like challenging

2357
01:51:17,880 --> 01:51:20,840
Speaker 1: I think tech and being a little more skeptical of

2358
01:51:20,880 --> 01:51:24,519
Speaker 1: corporate power. So I'm not sure that he would be

2359
01:51:24,680 --> 01:51:28,439
Speaker 1: as beloved I'm just not sure. I know the donors

2360
01:51:28,479 --> 01:51:31,080
Speaker 1: love Pete, so maybe he's got maybe he's got more

2361
01:51:31,120 --> 01:51:33,120
Speaker 1: of an inside track than we really think here. But

2362
01:51:33,800 --> 01:51:36,360
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting. Like I said, my working assumption is

2363
01:51:36,400 --> 01:51:38,120
Speaker 1: whoever I want the least is going to end up

2364
01:51:38,120 --> 01:51:43,760
Speaker 1: in it. So that would probably be Joshuah Baby Net

2365
01:51:43,880 --> 01:51:46,880
Speaker 1: Now who in town right now? Today's meeting with Biden

2366
01:51:47,040 --> 01:51:50,360
Speaker 1: and Kamala Harris. Tomorrow he's flying or tonight or whatever.

2367
01:51:50,439 --> 01:51:52,400
Speaker 1: He's going to meet with Trump. In mar A Lago

2368
01:51:53,240 --> 01:51:57,519
Speaker 1: yesterday giving a speech to Congress. There were a number

2369
01:51:57,680 --> 01:52:02,439
Speaker 1: of Democrats, about half the Democratic Caucus boycotted the speech.

2370
01:52:02,800 --> 01:52:07,040
Speaker 1: And you had a whole lot of protest activity in advance.

2371
01:52:07,080 --> 01:52:08,759
Speaker 1: We can put some of this up on the screen

2372
01:52:08,840 --> 01:52:11,360
Speaker 1: so you can get a sense. You had huge march.

2373
01:52:11,520 --> 01:52:14,960
Speaker 1: You see lots of Palestinian flags everywhere. You had some

2374
01:52:15,360 --> 01:52:20,360
Speaker 1: very you know, tense uh scenes with cups and tear gas.

2375
01:52:20,600 --> 01:52:24,120
Speaker 1: Here they are burning I think that maybe maybe net

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01:52:24,240 --> 01:52:27,280
Speaker 1: yahoo in effigy, and then they also burned an American

2377
01:52:27,400 --> 01:52:30,200
Speaker 1: flag there was, so they were they were out in

2378
01:52:30,240 --> 01:52:33,400
Speaker 1: full force. They've been out the day before, h inside

2379
01:52:33,680 --> 01:52:36,560
Speaker 1: the Capitol building as well, so they were you know,

2380
01:52:36,800 --> 01:52:39,719
Speaker 1: making their mark and making their statement about their upset

2381
01:52:39,800 --> 01:52:42,720
Speaker 1: that this war criminal was in town. We also can

2382
01:52:42,800 --> 01:52:44,559
Speaker 1: put this up on the screen. Some of the activists

2383
01:52:44,560 --> 01:52:48,120
Speaker 1: actually got into the Watergate hotel where the net Yahoo

2384
01:52:48,200 --> 01:52:52,120
Speaker 1: coalition was staying and put these bugs and maggots.

2385
01:52:52,160 --> 01:52:54,439
Speaker 2: Literally like crickets. So I was like on this table

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01:52:54,520 --> 01:52:56,240
Speaker 2: biblic That's what I'm thinking.

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01:52:56,520 --> 01:53:00,400
Speaker 1: I think they just wanted to there, what they said

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01:53:00,400 --> 01:53:02,439
Speaker 1: as they just wanted to create chaos. They were also

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01:53:02,520 --> 01:53:04,280
Speaker 1: like pulling fire alarms in the role and I that

2390
01:53:04,400 --> 01:53:05,800
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. So it was like a sense of

2391
01:53:05,960 --> 01:53:09,679
Speaker 1: like creating chaos in the in the building. So making

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01:53:09,720 --> 01:53:12,320
Speaker 1: their presence felt, to say the least. Also making his

2393
01:53:12,439 --> 01:53:16,600
Speaker 1: presence felt was Bibi Netanyahu himself, who received a rapturous

2394
01:53:16,720 --> 01:53:19,800
Speaker 1: reception from those who were in attendance. I mean, it

2395
01:53:19,840 --> 01:53:23,960
Speaker 1: really was wild to see the level of adoration coming

2396
01:53:24,000 --> 01:53:27,479
Speaker 1: to this man who's you know, israelied. CJ just ruled

2397
01:53:27,520 --> 01:53:29,880
Speaker 1: they have in apartheid state, the West Bank settlements are illegal.

2398
01:53:29,960 --> 01:53:32,680
Speaker 1: He's got ICC arrest warrants hanging over his head for

2399
01:53:32,800 --> 01:53:35,760
Speaker 1: the crime of extermination, but that did not slow the

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01:53:36,040 --> 01:53:40,799
Speaker 1: enthusiasm for his address to this joint session of Congress.

2401
01:53:41,080 --> 01:53:42,720
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to a little bit of what

2402
01:53:42,800 --> 01:53:43,320
Speaker 1: he had to say.

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01:53:43,520 --> 01:53:47,080
Speaker 4: I asked the commander there, how many terrorists did you

2404
01:53:47,200 --> 01:53:50,599
Speaker 4: take out in Buffa. He gave me an exact number,

2405
01:53:50,680 --> 01:53:55,439
Speaker 4: twelve hundred and three. I asked him, how many civilians

2406
01:53:55,479 --> 01:54:02,680
Speaker 4: were killed? You said, Prime Minister, practically none, with the

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01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:06,160
Speaker 4: exception of a single incident where shrapnel from a bomb

2408
01:54:06,600 --> 01:54:10,840
Speaker 4: hit a Hamas weapons depot and unintentionally killed two dozen people,

2409
01:54:11,479 --> 01:54:16,760
Speaker 4: the answer is practically none. Iran is funding the anti

2410
01:54:16,840 --> 01:54:21,080
Speaker 4: Israel protests that are going on right now outside this building.

2411
01:54:21,560 --> 01:54:25,760
Speaker 4: Not that many, but they're there and throughout the city. Well,

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01:54:25,800 --> 01:54:29,360
Speaker 4: I have a message for these protesters. When the tyrants

2413
01:54:29,400 --> 01:54:33,800
Speaker 4: of Tehran who hang gaze from cranes and murder women

2414
01:54:33,920 --> 01:54:37,480
Speaker 4: for not covering their hair are praising, promoting, and funding you,

2415
01:54:38,000 --> 01:54:42,760
Speaker 4: you have officially become Iran's useful idiots. And as we

2416
01:54:42,880 --> 01:54:47,120
Speaker 4: recently learned, they even brazenly threatened to assassinate President Trump.

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01:54:47,200 --> 01:54:51,760
Speaker 4: And some of these protesters hold up signs proclaiming gaze

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01:54:51,880 --> 01:54:54,760
Speaker 4: for Gaza, they might as well hold up signs saying

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01:54:54,880 --> 01:54:56,320
Speaker 4: tickets for KFC.

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01:55:09,920 --> 01:55:13,280
Speaker 1: Chance in USA. They're a little bit weird. So I

2421
01:55:13,360 --> 01:55:16,400
Speaker 1: mean he lied about October seventh atrocity is a year

2422
01:55:16,400 --> 01:55:22,720
Speaker 1: I'm downplaying. They're the civilian deathhole smearing Palestinian pro Palestine

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01:55:22,760 --> 01:55:24,880
Speaker 1: protesters as paid viral. I mean, you come to our

2424
01:55:24,920 --> 01:55:28,280
Speaker 1: country and you smear our young people who are exercising

2425
01:55:28,320 --> 01:55:30,600
Speaker 1: their freedom of speech to give you a sense of,

2426
01:55:30,880 --> 01:55:35,120
Speaker 1: you know, how excited, how honored the members of Congress

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01:55:35,200 --> 01:55:38,560
Speaker 1: who attended were even John Fetterman sober put this up

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01:55:38,560 --> 01:55:43,120
Speaker 1: on the Screenman wore a suit. I can't do it for,

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01:55:43,480 --> 01:55:46,960
Speaker 1: you know, his own constituents, can't do it for apparently

2430
01:55:47,040 --> 01:55:49,000
Speaker 1: his wife was like embarrassed by him and wearing his

2431
01:55:49,160 --> 01:55:51,240
Speaker 1: like tuxedo shirt. He can't do it for his family,

2432
01:55:51,320 --> 01:55:53,920
Speaker 1: or's wife, or his own president or party or what.

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01:55:54,000 --> 01:55:57,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. But when Bibi Natya, who comes to town,

2434
01:55:57,920 --> 01:55:59,920
Speaker 1: suddenly Fetterman breaks out the suit.

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01:56:00,040 --> 01:56:02,760
Speaker 2: I have tried to tell everyone dressing life as a

2436
01:56:02,800 --> 01:56:06,280
Speaker 2: member of Congress is about narcissism. It is about saying

2437
01:56:06,360 --> 01:56:09,600
Speaker 2: that I care more about my comfort than about representing you.

2438
01:56:09,960 --> 01:56:11,480
Speaker 2: And when you were willing to put a suit on

2439
01:56:11,760 --> 01:56:14,760
Speaker 2: for the Israeli Prime minister over your own constituents, it

2440
01:56:14,880 --> 01:56:18,480
Speaker 2: is about serving your true master, and about signaling to

2441
01:56:18,560 --> 01:56:21,360
Speaker 2: the world about what you find important to the world,

2442
01:56:21,440 --> 01:56:24,160
Speaker 2: which was both your comfort when it's about Americans, and

2443
01:56:24,320 --> 01:56:28,080
Speaker 2: it's about respect only for foreign leaders, which I think

2444
01:56:28,360 --> 01:56:30,920
Speaker 2: is absolutely not so obviously, Look, I agree with you.

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01:56:31,000 --> 01:56:33,200
Speaker 2: I think it's disgraceful to have a foreign leader of

2446
01:56:33,440 --> 01:56:37,280
Speaker 2: any nation invited to the United States to openly trash

2447
01:56:37,360 --> 01:56:40,640
Speaker 2: American citizens. I think there is only one country in

2448
01:56:40,720 --> 01:56:42,680
Speaker 2: the world that is somehow allowed to do that, and

2449
01:56:42,800 --> 01:56:46,240
Speaker 2: that is Israel. Obviously, Natta Yahu and others. I will say,

2450
01:56:46,360 --> 01:56:48,360
Speaker 2: Chris Lenelis, can you make them out about this one.

2451
01:56:48,480 --> 01:56:51,480
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be burning American flags here in the Washington Capitol.

2452
01:56:51,600 --> 01:56:54,720
Speaker 2: Didn't say it should be illegal. But people will really

2453
01:56:54,760 --> 01:56:58,160
Speaker 2: recall that that what was the unc frat incident of

2454
01:56:58,240 --> 01:57:00,320
Speaker 2: defending the flag. That's going to ignite a lot of people,

2455
01:57:00,600 --> 01:57:02,040
Speaker 2: you know, who are going to get very upset.

2456
01:57:02,120 --> 01:57:02,280
Speaker 3: Now.

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01:57:02,640 --> 01:57:02,840
Speaker 8: You know.

2458
01:57:03,040 --> 01:57:04,880
Speaker 2: The obvious retort is, well, why aren't you as upset

2459
01:57:04,880 --> 01:57:07,000
Speaker 2: about Gosla or whatever. Well, you know, listen, at the

2460
01:57:07,080 --> 01:57:08,760
Speaker 2: end of the day, it is our country. It's about

2461
01:57:09,000 --> 01:57:11,760
Speaker 2: our symbols, and you can't blen Some people just don't

2462
01:57:11,760 --> 01:57:13,680
Speaker 2: care or they're not don't feel all that connected to it,

2463
01:57:13,760 --> 01:57:15,880
Speaker 2: and you can't shame them, you know, and try and

2464
01:57:16,360 --> 01:57:19,880
Speaker 2: change their minds by openly trying. Here, here's what I'm

2465
01:57:19,880 --> 01:57:22,840
Speaker 2: trying to say, those chants of USA. The biggest mistake

2466
01:57:22,920 --> 01:57:25,160
Speaker 2: that you could possibly make is to say that being

2467
01:57:25,280 --> 01:57:29,680
Speaker 2: pro Palestine is anti America itself. The positive thing you

2468
01:57:29,760 --> 01:57:31,840
Speaker 2: want to say is that it is to the best

2469
01:57:31,960 --> 01:57:35,360
Speaker 2: of America, or it is against American interests to phrase

2470
01:57:35,440 --> 01:57:38,960
Speaker 2: it about this country and not make it oppositional to

2471
01:57:39,240 --> 01:57:42,720
Speaker 2: actual American patriotism, to be opposed, because I do think

2472
01:57:42,760 --> 01:57:44,800
Speaker 2: that there are a lot of people out there. For example,

2473
01:57:44,880 --> 01:57:46,640
Speaker 2: if you don't want Joshapiro to be picked on Israel,

2474
01:57:46,800 --> 01:57:48,640
Speaker 2: don't be burning American flags in the middle of the

2475
01:57:48,720 --> 01:57:51,120
Speaker 2: US capital. It's just a foolish mistake. It's kind of

2476
01:57:51,200 --> 01:57:53,880
Speaker 2: like the River to the Sea thing. Can you say it? Sure,

2477
01:57:54,120 --> 01:57:56,360
Speaker 2: you know, absolutely, But I think Dave Smith always makes

2478
01:57:56,400 --> 01:57:58,880
Speaker 2: that point. He's like, guys, that's not what we're trying

2479
01:57:58,920 --> 01:58:01,040
Speaker 2: to do, Like, we're not trying to change minds here.

2480
01:58:01,120 --> 01:58:03,200
Speaker 2: So if I were them, I always think that I

2481
01:58:03,240 --> 01:58:04,960
Speaker 2: always think that they just go too far. A lot

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01:58:05,000 --> 01:58:06,440
Speaker 2: of the vandalism and a lot of the burning of

2483
01:58:06,480 --> 01:58:08,440
Speaker 2: the flag thing, it just doesn't make the point that

2484
01:58:08,480 --> 01:58:10,080
Speaker 2: you guys want to make, and it just makes it

2485
01:58:10,160 --> 01:58:12,480
Speaker 2: even more of a minority. Now the White House is

2486
01:58:12,560 --> 01:58:14,400
Speaker 2: out trashing you. It's just like I don't know, I

2487
01:58:14,440 --> 01:58:16,760
Speaker 2: don't I don't really see how that's possibly working to

2488
01:58:16,840 --> 01:58:19,080
Speaker 2: your benefit when I mean, all you have to do

2489
01:58:19,200 --> 01:58:21,480
Speaker 2: is point out the fact this guy, like the correct

2490
01:58:21,480 --> 01:58:24,160
Speaker 2: thing is he comes to this country undermines our freedom

2491
01:58:24,200 --> 01:58:26,800
Speaker 2: of speech. That's a much more potent attack. Now, I

2492
01:58:26,920 --> 01:58:27,680
Speaker 2: just think it's stupid.

2493
01:58:28,320 --> 01:58:33,560
Speaker 1: Listen on the tactics, I hate to criticize them because

2494
01:58:33,680 --> 01:58:37,760
Speaker 1: obviously much more discussed for bebing anyhow, I'm much more

2495
01:58:38,120 --> 01:58:41,080
Speaker 1: like horror at the genocide that's being part of the baby.

2496
01:58:41,200 --> 01:58:44,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just horrific. So it'll be like, oh,

2497
01:58:44,080 --> 01:58:45,880
Speaker 1: you shouldn't do this or that, Like I hate to

2498
01:58:45,960 --> 01:58:48,520
Speaker 1: do it. I think there's a you know, on the tactics,

2499
01:58:48,520 --> 01:58:50,240
Speaker 1: like I can't really disagree. I think what has been

2500
01:58:50,320 --> 01:58:53,520
Speaker 1: very effective is when you have these groups of Jewish

2501
01:58:53,560 --> 01:58:57,160
Speaker 1: Americans who are there, who are you know, very visible

2502
01:58:57,520 --> 01:59:00,680
Speaker 1: and you know, are very organized and hostage.

2503
01:59:00,720 --> 01:59:03,320
Speaker 2: Family walked out right, and that's that says everything.

2504
01:59:03,080 --> 01:59:05,480
Speaker 1: That's powerful, and that's powerful, and that's important to know

2505
01:59:05,560 --> 01:59:07,520
Speaker 1: that the hostage families didn't walk out, and there were

2506
01:59:07,560 --> 01:59:10,400
Speaker 1: some actually that were arrested for the political symbols that

2507
01:59:10,480 --> 01:59:12,880
Speaker 1: they were wearing. But you know, I don't want to

2508
01:59:12,920 --> 01:59:14,560
Speaker 1: get into this debate because I think it's such a

2509
01:59:14,640 --> 01:59:17,360
Speaker 1: side issue from the key point here of how disgusting

2510
01:59:17,400 --> 01:59:19,960
Speaker 1: it is that this invited and feted.

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01:59:20,320 --> 01:59:22,440
Speaker 2: It's at the top of every news hour, every Boomer,

2512
01:59:22,600 --> 01:59:25,000
Speaker 2: Fox Country, in the viewer they burnt an American flag.

2513
01:59:25,040 --> 01:59:27,440
Speaker 2: You gotta understand, like, it's not working here, folks like

2514
01:59:27,720 --> 01:59:30,800
Speaker 2: for them, They're getting mainline propaganda all day long, and

2515
01:59:31,040 --> 01:59:32,800
Speaker 2: you see people burning. If you look.

2516
01:59:32,720 --> 01:59:35,040
Speaker 1: At that, if you look at the polling, you know

2517
01:59:35,520 --> 01:59:38,800
Speaker 1: people have only moved more towards the pro Palestine side,

2518
01:59:38,840 --> 01:59:39,120
Speaker 1: but not.

2519
01:59:39,240 --> 01:59:42,280
Speaker 2: Certainly flight waving Hamas flags, saying Hamas is coming. I

2520
01:59:42,360 --> 01:59:44,840
Speaker 2: just don't understand the tactics of a lot of these folks,

2521
01:59:44,920 --> 01:59:47,200
Speaker 2: and I think, if anything, they might even be agitators,

2522
01:59:47,200 --> 01:59:48,680
Speaker 2: because I'm like, are you so dumb that.

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01:59:48,720 --> 01:59:50,480
Speaker 1: You think this is such a side over from the

2524
01:59:50,600 --> 01:59:52,920
Speaker 1: reality of what's happening, in the reality of what this

2525
01:59:53,080 --> 01:59:56,640
Speaker 1: man said. But let's just so let's talk about what

2526
01:59:56,800 --> 02:00:00,240
Speaker 1: else happened here with regard to this speech. We can

2527
02:00:00,320 --> 02:00:03,240
Speaker 1: put this next piece up on the screen. We've got

2528
02:00:03,800 --> 02:00:07,960
Speaker 1: Rashida Talib who mounted silent protest. She actually did attend

2529
02:00:08,000 --> 02:00:10,120
Speaker 1: the speech, which people were surprised about. She's wearing her

2530
02:00:10,840 --> 02:00:13,640
Speaker 1: scarf and she has a small sign that says, on

2531
02:00:13,720 --> 02:00:15,960
Speaker 1: one side, war criminal. On the other side, I believe

2532
02:00:16,040 --> 02:00:20,640
Speaker 1: guilty of genocide. So she did her own protests there,

2533
02:00:20,680 --> 02:00:23,240
Speaker 1: which I fully support. We had a large number of

2534
02:00:23,280 --> 02:00:25,240
Speaker 1: Democrats who did not attend. We can put this next

2535
02:00:25,280 --> 02:00:27,680
Speaker 1: piece up on the screen. One hundred House Democrats twenty

2536
02:00:27,720 --> 02:00:30,240
Speaker 1: eight Senate Democrats were present in the chamber for the

2537
02:00:30,520 --> 02:00:35,120
Speaker 1: Prime Minister's speech, meaning around half of both caucuses were absent.

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02:00:35,720 --> 02:00:37,640
Speaker 1: This was really no worthy Sagura. I wonder what you

2539
02:00:37,720 --> 02:00:40,320
Speaker 1: make of this for Nancy Pelosi, she says, Benjamin Etnia,

2540
02:00:40,360 --> 02:00:42,720
Speaker 1: whose presentation in the House Chamber today was by far

2541
02:00:42,800 --> 02:00:46,040
Speaker 1: the worst presentation of any foreign dignitary invited and honored

2542
02:00:46,080 --> 02:00:49,120
Speaker 1: with the privilege addressing the US Congress. Many of us

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02:00:49,240 --> 02:00:52,000
Speaker 1: who love Israel spent time today listening to Israeli citizens

2544
02:00:52,040 --> 02:00:54,280
Speaker 1: whose families have suffered in the wake of the October

2545
02:00:54,360 --> 02:00:57,720
Speaker 1: seventh hamas terror attack and kidnappings. These families are asking

2546
02:00:57,800 --> 02:00:59,920
Speaker 1: for a ceasefire deal that will bring the hostages home,

2547
02:01:00,160 --> 02:01:02,240
Speaker 1: and we hope the Prime Minister would spend his time

2548
02:01:02,600 --> 02:01:08,440
Speaker 1: achieving that goal. Obviously it's Nancy Felosi, so she's clearly,

2549
02:01:08,680 --> 02:01:12,400
Speaker 1: we have recently learned very powerful. So the fact that

2550
02:01:12,520 --> 02:01:16,520
Speaker 1: she says this number one, it's noteworthy because I think

2551
02:01:16,680 --> 02:01:18,280
Speaker 1: in the same way when she went on Morning Joe

2552
02:01:18,360 --> 02:01:20,240
Speaker 1: and was like, oh, we're waiting for Joe Biden to

2553
02:01:20,320 --> 02:01:23,440
Speaker 1: make his decision, she opened the floodgates. She gave permission

2554
02:01:23,600 --> 02:01:26,600
Speaker 1: to the rest of the caucus to mount criticism of

2555
02:01:26,680 --> 02:01:28,960
Speaker 1: him and come out against him, and you know, really

2556
02:01:29,040 --> 02:01:31,120
Speaker 1: kept the flame alive in terms of pushing him out.

2557
02:01:31,400 --> 02:01:33,960
Speaker 1: I think this is a similar signal of like, Joe

2558
02:01:34,000 --> 02:01:36,960
Speaker 1: Biden's a lame duck. Now, yes, you know, so all

2559
02:01:37,040 --> 02:01:39,280
Speaker 1: of the impetus of we got to keep quiet because

2560
02:01:39,320 --> 02:01:40,800
Speaker 1: we don't want to we don't want to show up

2561
02:01:40,800 --> 02:01:42,920
Speaker 1: the Democratic president, we don't make him look bad, we

2562
02:01:42,960 --> 02:01:45,040
Speaker 1: don't want there to be any distance between us and them,

2563
02:01:45,560 --> 02:01:47,520
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of out the window now. And

2564
02:01:48,120 --> 02:01:51,080
Speaker 1: for her, who has been a staunch ally of Israel

2565
02:01:51,200 --> 02:01:55,240
Speaker 1: for so long to say something this stark, and she

2566
02:01:55,440 --> 02:01:58,600
Speaker 1: also didn't attend the speech. I do think it's granting

2567
02:01:58,600 --> 02:02:00,920
Speaker 1: a permission structure and is a noble shift. And I

2568
02:02:01,320 --> 02:02:03,880
Speaker 1: you know, also think it could be reflected in some

2569
02:02:04,000 --> 02:02:06,520
Speaker 1: of the ways that Kamala Harris herself tries to at

2570
02:02:06,640 --> 02:02:09,600
Speaker 1: least give the appearance of distance from a Biden policy

2571
02:02:09,680 --> 02:02:11,400
Speaker 1: that has been wildly on the top store.

2572
02:02:11,440 --> 02:02:13,400
Speaker 2: I think this is very effective. And this is where

2573
02:02:13,560 --> 02:02:18,320
Speaker 2: most normy Democrats are. They're like, I'm very uncomfortable with this,

2574
02:02:18,440 --> 02:02:19,680
Speaker 2: but that's kind of why I was bringing up the

2575
02:02:19,680 --> 02:02:21,360
Speaker 2: flag thing. I think that's very upon to a lot

2576
02:02:21,400 --> 02:02:24,200
Speaker 2: of people. This is the permission structure of yeah, we

2577
02:02:24,280 --> 02:02:26,200
Speaker 2: hate Bibe. They're like, we're not with BB. And this

2578
02:02:26,240 --> 02:02:28,120
Speaker 2: is where a lot of Jewish Democrats are too, from

2579
02:02:28,120 --> 02:02:29,960
Speaker 2: at least from what I've been able to observe, the

2580
02:02:30,680 --> 02:02:34,000
Speaker 2: right Nadler, Schumer, you know, a Pelosi, all these folks

2581
02:02:34,000 --> 02:02:36,440
Speaker 2: who are like, I am not pro BB. I am

2582
02:02:36,560 --> 02:02:39,400
Speaker 2: meeting with these Israeli hostages. I'm allying myself with the

2583
02:02:39,480 --> 02:02:42,240
Speaker 2: families and the center left parties or whatever of Israel.

2584
02:02:42,440 --> 02:02:44,320
Speaker 2: But I'm not like, you know, chanting from the rezard

2585
02:02:44,360 --> 02:02:47,360
Speaker 2: of the sea, and you know, vandalizing and burning the flag.

2586
02:02:47,480 --> 02:02:49,800
Speaker 2: So this is where I think if I'm Harris, this

2587
02:02:49,880 --> 02:02:51,680
Speaker 2: is where I'm going. I'm going straight down them to

2588
02:02:51,720 --> 02:02:53,880
Speaker 2: the center. And I think this is I mean, frankly,

2589
02:02:54,040 --> 02:02:56,360
Speaker 2: this is the political center. If you look at the

2590
02:02:56,400 --> 02:03:00,280
Speaker 2: polling on the issue. People are pro Israel in a like, yeah,

2591
02:03:00,320 --> 02:03:02,880
Speaker 2: they should have a right to exist way, but antibbe

2592
02:03:02,960 --> 02:03:05,360
Speaker 2: and anti prosecution of the war. This is exactly where

2593
02:03:05,400 --> 02:03:08,080
Speaker 2: you are. Yeah, they're pro seas fire. They're like, I

2594
02:03:08,120 --> 02:03:09,560
Speaker 2: think the war is bad. I think what you've done

2595
02:03:09,680 --> 02:03:12,280
Speaker 2: is terrible. I don't think America should necessarily be funding it.

2596
02:03:12,600 --> 02:03:14,960
Speaker 2: And yeah, I think that's mostly you know where we're at.

2597
02:03:15,000 --> 02:03:17,160
Speaker 2: And so the Pelosi thing, what can we always say

2598
02:03:17,160 --> 02:03:19,440
Speaker 2: about this woman. She's smart, she knows how to triangulate.

2599
02:03:19,640 --> 02:03:22,320
Speaker 2: So if I'm Harris, this is exactly the tactic that

2600
02:03:22,400 --> 02:03:25,040
Speaker 2: I'm on. And then you have Trump and Vance, who

2601
02:03:25,080 --> 02:03:27,480
Speaker 2: would be to the right here, And that's fine, you

2602
02:03:27,520 --> 02:03:30,080
Speaker 2: know for right wing boomers, okay, but you know, for

2603
02:03:30,200 --> 02:03:32,360
Speaker 2: anybody to be swayed on the issue, then obviously you're

2604
02:03:32,360 --> 02:03:34,200
Speaker 2: going to go Kamma. And if you try and capture

2605
02:03:34,400 --> 02:03:36,520
Speaker 2: both the left and the center, and you just leave

2606
02:03:36,560 --> 02:03:38,920
Speaker 2: the right to Trump, then any political benefit to Trump

2607
02:03:39,080 --> 02:03:41,080
Speaker 2: is just going to be money and then whatever Boomer

2608
02:03:41,160 --> 02:03:42,680
Speaker 2: voters who are going to vote on the issue anyway.

2609
02:03:42,960 --> 02:03:44,640
Speaker 2: So anyone who can be captured, I think you can

2610
02:03:44,680 --> 02:03:45,200
Speaker 2: get there with this.

2611
02:03:45,600 --> 02:03:50,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting to me too, because bbe has now

2612
02:03:50,080 --> 02:03:54,000
Speaker 1: a very different political landscape in front of them, because

2613
02:03:54,240 --> 02:03:57,280
Speaker 1: and there's all kinds of you know, if you read

2614
02:03:57,320 --> 02:04:00,280
Speaker 1: the Israeli press, there's all kinds of trial. Okay, what

2615
02:04:00,320 --> 02:04:02,360
Speaker 1: does Kamla Harris really think? And I mean this is

2616
02:04:02,400 --> 02:04:04,520
Speaker 1: a question with her on everything, we don't really know

2617
02:04:04,560 --> 02:04:06,680
Speaker 1: what she really thinks. She doesn't really think much of anything.

2618
02:04:08,320 --> 02:04:12,840
Speaker 1: The reason why I have been cautiously optimistic she would

2619
02:04:12,840 --> 02:04:16,400
Speaker 1: be I'm not listen, I'm very realistic about what's possible

2620
02:04:16,400 --> 02:04:18,480
Speaker 1: in the context of American politics. But why I think

2621
02:04:18,560 --> 02:04:21,800
Speaker 1: she could be better than Biden is because I don't

2622
02:04:21,800 --> 02:04:24,440
Speaker 1: think she's ideological, and I think at this point just

2623
02:04:24,560 --> 02:04:30,480
Speaker 1: a cost benefit a sheerly cynical cost benefit analysis of

2624
02:04:30,600 --> 02:04:33,960
Speaker 1: the politics, as reflected by Pelosian. What you said soccer

2625
02:04:34,040 --> 02:04:37,000
Speaker 1: would land you in a different place than where Biden

2626
02:04:37,240 --> 02:04:41,240
Speaker 1: has been and her you know, top foreign policy advisor

2627
02:04:41,360 --> 02:04:44,640
Speaker 1: is more of like of the Obama more progressive foreign

2628
02:04:44,640 --> 02:04:49,080
Speaker 1: affairs when she's already said she's gonna Sordi reporter, she's

2629
02:04:49,080 --> 02:04:51,880
Speaker 1: going to clean house in terms of the Biden you know,

2630
02:04:52,040 --> 02:04:56,600
Speaker 1: Jake Sullivan, Tony Blinken's of the world. That's all positive indicator.

2631
02:04:57,000 --> 02:04:59,240
Speaker 1: But like I said, it's not like I'm expecting any

2632
02:04:59,320 --> 02:05:01,840
Speaker 1: sort of her from Kamala. Ayris that you'll be waiting

2633
02:05:01,920 --> 02:05:04,320
Speaker 1: your whole life if you're waiting on that. But I

2634
02:05:05,360 --> 02:05:10,200
Speaker 1: think the clear eyed, reasonable political calculation at this point

2635
02:05:10,480 --> 02:05:13,760
Speaker 1: is that the Biden bear hug policy is doing more

2636
02:05:13,840 --> 02:05:18,040
Speaker 1: harm than good for them politically. And I think Nancy

2637
02:05:18,120 --> 02:05:20,960
Speaker 1: Pelosi that's why her comments are so noteworthy, because I

2638
02:05:21,000 --> 02:05:24,160
Speaker 1: think this is a sign that she also has that

2639
02:05:24,480 --> 02:05:27,440
Speaker 1: assessment of where the politics of this are at this time.

2640
02:05:27,480 --> 02:05:29,760
Speaker 2: Kamala has no foreign policy experience, right, we can only

2641
02:05:29,840 --> 02:05:32,880
Speaker 2: read the tea leaves. I know Philip Gordon, I've read

2642
02:05:32,880 --> 02:05:34,480
Speaker 2: some of his stuff. I looked a little bit in

2643
02:05:34,560 --> 02:05:36,040
Speaker 2: what he said in the past. I'd say it's a

2644
02:05:36,040 --> 02:05:39,080
Speaker 2: relatively mixed bag. I think everything here is pick and choose.

2645
02:05:39,120 --> 02:05:41,400
Speaker 2: So if you were an Israel Gaza person, yeah, Kamala

2646
02:05:41,440 --> 02:05:43,440
Speaker 2: is probably gonna better, to be honest, though, on Ukraine

2647
02:05:43,480 --> 02:05:46,160
Speaker 2: I think she'll be ten times worse based on her comments,

2648
02:05:46,200 --> 02:05:49,480
Speaker 2: maybe worse nate it well, because she would be like, oh, yeah,

2649
02:05:49,520 --> 02:05:52,600
Speaker 2: go ahead and strike Russia. Something that zed Jalani said,

2650
02:05:52,640 --> 02:05:56,400
Speaker 2: which I think is a deeper in Moscow, right, And

2651
02:05:56,760 --> 02:05:59,160
Speaker 2: something that zed Jelani said which is so deeply true,

2652
02:05:59,400 --> 02:06:01,840
Speaker 2: is that if you look at Clinton and all of

2653
02:06:01,920 --> 02:06:06,200
Speaker 2: the other no foreign policy experienced people, almost always they

2654
02:06:06,400 --> 02:06:09,040
Speaker 2: end up being more hawkish to prove to Washington. So

2655
02:06:09,440 --> 02:06:11,880
Speaker 2: on Israel, you're right, the consensus has moved away, right, yeah,

2656
02:06:11,920 --> 02:06:15,520
Speaker 2: But on Ukraine that is terrifying. On anything related to

2657
02:06:15,680 --> 02:06:18,120
Speaker 2: I mean, on Iran even I would not I would

2658
02:06:18,160 --> 02:06:20,600
Speaker 2: be worried. I actually would be worried because you know,

2659
02:06:20,720 --> 02:06:23,000
Speaker 2: let's look, the Iran dealer is now ed. No matter

2660
02:06:23,080 --> 02:06:24,760
Speaker 2: who gets elected, now they're going to have to deal

2661
02:06:24,800 --> 02:06:28,040
Speaker 2: with new enrichment and sanctions and all that. On Russia,

2662
02:06:28,240 --> 02:06:30,000
Speaker 2: I'd be worried a little bit on China as well,

2663
02:06:30,120 --> 02:06:32,480
Speaker 2: in terms of how it looks, especially where our domestic

2664
02:06:32,560 --> 02:06:36,320
Speaker 2: manufacturing is. So on foreign policy, I am still in

2665
02:06:36,440 --> 02:06:38,880
Speaker 2: wait and ce mode, just because it's like you said,

2666
02:06:39,360 --> 02:06:41,440
Speaker 2: when you're a blank slate, I'm just going to color

2667
02:06:41,480 --> 02:06:44,080
Speaker 2: in the lines of conventional wisdom. Conventional wisdom right now

2668
02:06:44,200 --> 02:06:46,000
Speaker 2: is basically where we are. I think on Israel I

2669
02:06:46,000 --> 02:06:49,440
Speaker 2: would see yah. But on Ukraine it's frankly worse than

2670
02:06:49,480 --> 02:06:51,320
Speaker 2: I think it's ever been. Now they're like, oh, they're

2671
02:06:51,360 --> 02:06:54,560
Speaker 2: winning and everything. So I'm still very, very skeptical my

2672
02:06:54,640 --> 02:06:56,640
Speaker 2: view about where it's at right. My view is on

2673
02:06:57,080 --> 02:07:00,000
Speaker 2: Israel she may be a little better. Yeah, On Ukraine

2674
02:07:00,320 --> 02:07:01,160
Speaker 2: she's probably the same.

2675
02:07:01,640 --> 02:07:04,720
Speaker 1: On Afghanistan, I don't think she would have don't think

2676
02:07:04,720 --> 02:07:08,440
Speaker 1: it's possible now, So net I will take that deal.

2677
02:07:08,680 --> 02:07:11,600
Speaker 1: I think, you know, on net and especially given what

2678
02:07:11,720 --> 02:07:13,840
Speaker 1: we know about the people that she wants to go

2679
02:07:14,160 --> 02:07:17,120
Speaker 1: and the people that she's surrounded herself with. Now, if

2680
02:07:17,160 --> 02:07:19,880
Speaker 1: we have a return to the I would one hundred

2681
02:07:19,920 --> 02:07:22,640
Speaker 1: percent take a return to the Obama era foreign policy

2682
02:07:22,760 --> 02:07:26,280
Speaker 1: over what we've gotten under Joe Biden. But you're right

2683
02:07:26,360 --> 02:07:29,760
Speaker 1: to say this is all guesswork because we don't know

2684
02:07:30,120 --> 02:07:33,120
Speaker 1: and she doesn't make it clear, and I think it's

2685
02:07:33,320 --> 02:07:35,960
Speaker 1: the one consistent with Kamala Harris is just that she

2686
02:07:36,400 --> 02:07:38,400
Speaker 1: is a political shape shifter. You know, she is what

2687
02:07:38,560 --> 02:07:41,000
Speaker 1: she needs to be in the moment based on how

2688
02:07:41,080 --> 02:07:43,120
Speaker 1: she's reading the tea leaves at the time. You know,

2689
02:07:43,400 --> 02:07:47,240
Speaker 1: originally she's the tough on crime lady in California. This

2690
02:07:47,320 --> 02:07:50,400
Speaker 1: is just emblematic of the sort of political shift she's undergone.

2691
02:07:50,680 --> 02:07:53,320
Speaker 1: Then she's you know, the criminal justice reformer when she's

2692
02:07:53,360 --> 02:07:55,240
Speaker 1: in the Senate, when she's running for present and thinks

2693
02:07:55,280 --> 02:07:58,400
Speaker 1: that's to her political benefit. She's for Medicare for all

2694
02:07:58,440 --> 02:08:00,120
Speaker 1: when she thinks she's going to try to get to

2695
02:08:00,200 --> 02:08:02,480
Speaker 1: the left and that's the best lane in the Democratic primary,

2696
02:08:02,520 --> 02:08:04,280
Speaker 1: than when donors are like, we don't like that, She's like,

2697
02:08:04,320 --> 02:08:07,320
Speaker 1: I don't like it either. So she's a shape shifter,

2698
02:08:07,640 --> 02:08:11,920
Speaker 1: and you know, it's it's all. She doesn't even know

2699
02:08:12,240 --> 02:08:13,600
Speaker 1: really what she thinks about it.

2700
02:08:13,600 --> 02:08:15,600
Speaker 2: And that's why I worry the most, because on Ukraine,

2701
02:08:15,800 --> 02:08:18,840
Speaker 2: the people in this in this town have lost their

2702
02:08:19,040 --> 02:08:21,480
Speaker 2: freaking minds. They would let Ukraine in Tonato, that let

2703
02:08:21,560 --> 02:08:24,480
Speaker 2: Georgia in Tonato. I mean, we're gonna go all out

2704
02:08:24,720 --> 02:08:28,160
Speaker 2: like Neo Khan fever dream. And so I mean, honestly,

2705
02:08:28,400 --> 02:08:31,200
Speaker 2: I'm I am truly terrified of what she would do

2706
02:08:31,280 --> 02:08:33,160
Speaker 2: on Ukraine and Russia. And I think it would be

2707
02:08:33,240 --> 02:08:35,080
Speaker 2: ten x more consequential than anything else.

2708
02:08:35,080 --> 02:08:37,120
Speaker 1: Don't know that it could be my person. What Biden's done.

2709
02:08:37,160 --> 02:08:39,280
Speaker 1: It seems like Christal I mean, letting Ukraine and NATO.

2710
02:08:39,640 --> 02:08:41,480
Speaker 1: Nobody's more obsessed with NATO than Joe Biden.

2711
02:08:41,480 --> 02:08:43,320
Speaker 2: But at least he didn't let Ukraine. In Letting Ukraine

2712
02:08:43,320 --> 02:08:45,200
Speaker 2: and to NATO will be the big policy question of

2713
02:08:45,240 --> 02:08:49,200
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six or whatever, whenever the stupid war finally ends,

2714
02:08:49,280 --> 02:08:50,920
Speaker 2: And at least with Trump. I don't think you would

2715
02:08:50,920 --> 02:08:52,480
Speaker 2: do it. But Kamala I think she would do it,

2716
02:08:52,600 --> 02:08:55,880
Speaker 2: and that is actually a nuclear war level event. But look,

2717
02:08:55,920 --> 02:08:58,240
Speaker 2: we'll see, you know, we'll get to I want to this,

2718
02:08:58,400 --> 02:08:59,640
Speaker 2: by the way, Why I want to see her do it?

2719
02:08:59,680 --> 02:08:59,840
Speaker 10: Damn?

2720
02:09:00,360 --> 02:09:02,839
Speaker 2: These are real questions, right, Yeah, in the old structure,

2721
02:09:02,880 --> 02:09:04,560
Speaker 2: we would have at least had a foreign policy debate.

2722
02:09:05,120 --> 02:09:07,320
Speaker 2: But you know, this time around, is she even going

2723
02:09:07,400 --> 02:09:09,040
Speaker 2: to answer a real question like we need to know

2724
02:09:09,560 --> 02:09:11,560
Speaker 2: the answers of these things? No doubt about it.

2725
02:09:11,640 --> 02:09:13,720
Speaker 1: All Right, Let's move on to the latest with regard

2726
02:09:13,880 --> 02:09:20,200
Speaker 1: to the attempted assassination of Donald Trump. Still stunning revelations

2727
02:09:20,440 --> 02:09:23,200
Speaker 1: coming out about the failures on that day. The latest,

2728
02:09:23,240 --> 02:09:28,240
Speaker 1: we had testimony from FBI Director Christopher Ray confirming reporting

2729
02:09:28,760 --> 02:09:32,960
Speaker 1: that the shooter was able to fly a drone over

2730
02:09:33,040 --> 02:09:37,200
Speaker 1: the area shortly before this rally. Let's take a listen

2731
02:09:37,200 --> 02:09:37,960
Speaker 1: to what he had to say.

2732
02:09:38,200 --> 02:09:42,440
Speaker 11: We have recovered a drone that the shooter appears to

2733
02:09:42,520 --> 02:09:46,160
Speaker 11: have used. It's being exploited and analyzed by the FBI lab.

2734
02:09:46,920 --> 02:09:50,360
Speaker 11: The drone was recovered in his vehicle, so at the

2735
02:09:50,400 --> 02:09:53,560
Speaker 11: time of the shooting, the drone was in his vehicle

2736
02:09:54,240 --> 02:09:59,560
Speaker 11: with the controller. In addition, our investigation has uncovered do

2737
02:09:59,560 --> 02:10:00,880
Speaker 11: you know what time a day he flew it and

2738
02:10:00,960 --> 02:10:04,160
Speaker 11: if he flew it on the days too. So in addition,

2739
02:10:04,440 --> 02:10:10,120
Speaker 11: it appears that around three point fifty pm, four o'clock

2740
02:10:10,200 --> 02:10:15,360
Speaker 11: in that window on the day of the shooting, that

2741
02:10:15,560 --> 02:10:21,480
Speaker 11: the shooter was flying the drone around the area eleven.

2742
02:10:21,520 --> 02:10:22,240
Speaker 5: That's want to be clear.

2743
02:10:22,280 --> 02:10:25,839
Speaker 11: But when I say the area not over the stage

2744
02:10:26,400 --> 02:10:28,560
Speaker 11: and that part of the area itself, I would say

2745
02:10:28,560 --> 02:10:32,880
Speaker 11: about two hundred yards give or take away. That we think,

2746
02:10:33,040 --> 02:10:34,720
Speaker 11: but we do not know. So again, this is one

2747
02:10:34,760 --> 02:10:37,440
Speaker 11: of these things that's qualified because of our ongoing review.

2748
02:10:38,000 --> 02:10:41,400
Speaker 11: That he was live streaming, you know, viewing the footage

2749
02:10:41,560 --> 02:10:44,240
Speaker 11: from that again about eleven minutes and around the three

2750
02:10:44,400 --> 02:10:47,520
Speaker 11: fifty four o'clock PM rang, two hours before. He's flying

2751
02:10:47,520 --> 02:10:50,640
Speaker 11: a drone in the vicinity of about two hundred yards away.

2752
02:10:50,640 --> 02:10:53,760
Speaker 1: Two hours before the rally, two hours before the route lange.

2753
02:10:53,800 --> 02:10:55,520
Speaker 2: How does nobody notice it? I was just telling you

2754
02:10:55,640 --> 02:10:57,720
Speaker 2: at my wedding, the photographer used a drone. You can

2755
02:10:57,800 --> 02:11:00,320
Speaker 2: notice the damn thing hundreds of feet away. So nobody

2756
02:11:00,680 --> 02:11:03,720
Speaker 2: is security perimeter is looking up and saying, hey, what's

2757
02:11:03,760 --> 02:11:05,800
Speaker 2: going on with this? I mean, anyone who's ever been

2758
02:11:05,920 --> 02:11:08,360
Speaker 2: by the White House recently, there's drones everywhere and they're

2759
02:11:08,400 --> 02:11:11,400
Speaker 2: all Secret Service drones, so they know what drones are, Like, yeah,

2760
02:11:11,560 --> 02:11:13,680
Speaker 2: they know. We know what is supposed to be there

2761
02:11:13,960 --> 02:11:17,000
Speaker 2: and what's not. I mean, I've even read crystal about

2762
02:11:17,120 --> 02:11:20,960
Speaker 2: anti drone jamming technology in war zones or being used

2763
02:11:21,000 --> 02:11:25,120
Speaker 2: by Mexican drug cartels, so they have better jamming tech

2764
02:11:25,240 --> 02:11:27,160
Speaker 2: or a prison or something like that. How do they

2765
02:11:27,280 --> 02:11:30,480
Speaker 2: know and have better tech than for the president's rally?

2766
02:11:30,600 --> 02:11:33,600
Speaker 2: That's crazy, I mean the whole thing. And then I've

2767
02:11:33,640 --> 02:11:35,440
Speaker 2: been reading a little bit about how the Secret Service

2768
02:11:35,480 --> 02:11:39,000
Speaker 2: admits that they denied resources to Trump. That's I mean,

2769
02:11:39,200 --> 02:11:41,920
Speaker 2: just I mean, frankly outrageous, just because when we look

2770
02:11:41,960 --> 02:11:44,600
Speaker 2: at now what the threat environment was like and how

2771
02:11:44,760 --> 02:11:47,720
Speaker 2: their level of incompetence here has been manifested with their

2772
02:11:47,800 --> 02:11:50,280
Speaker 2: lack of questions. The lady didn't even want to resign

2773
02:11:50,720 --> 02:11:53,760
Speaker 2: until now. I mean, I just think this agency truly

2774
02:11:54,120 --> 02:11:56,640
Speaker 2: needs to be rooted top to bottom. It is clear

2775
02:11:56,840 --> 02:11:59,520
Speaker 2: over the last two decades they have failed dramatically. Yeah,

2776
02:11:59,520 --> 02:12:02,320
Speaker 2: and every sign has been there, the Columbia Hooker thing,

2777
02:12:03,080 --> 02:12:06,080
Speaker 2: the multiple Obama failures where somebody shot at the White

2778
02:12:06,120 --> 02:12:08,120
Speaker 2: House and they didn't notice until broken glass was found

2779
02:12:08,200 --> 02:12:10,800
Speaker 2: later somebody jumped the fence was able to get in.

2780
02:12:12,200 --> 02:12:14,920
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think more. There's been a few other episodes,

2781
02:12:14,960 --> 02:12:17,520
Speaker 2: Carol Leining. I think over the Washington Post has detailed

2782
02:12:17,560 --> 02:12:19,320
Speaker 2: all of this. I think in every instance it's clear

2783
02:12:19,440 --> 02:12:21,520
Speaker 2: Congress has got to take over and they completely need

2784
02:12:21,560 --> 02:12:22,080
Speaker 2: to gout this thing.

2785
02:12:22,200 --> 02:12:22,400
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2786
02:12:22,400 --> 02:12:26,240
Speaker 2: I mean, a bullet touched the former president not negotiable,

2787
02:12:26,360 --> 02:12:27,840
Speaker 2: like impossible.

2788
02:12:27,480 --> 02:12:29,120
Speaker 1: And the stone walling is insane.

2789
02:12:29,200 --> 02:12:29,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2790
02:12:30,760 --> 02:12:36,280
Speaker 1: The fact that they identified this shooter like half an hour, Yeah.

2791
02:12:36,120 --> 02:12:40,320
Speaker 2: I know, before he's able to photo the rooftop.

2792
02:12:40,240 --> 02:12:42,080
Speaker 1: They saw, mississis so he tried to bring in a

2793
02:12:42,160 --> 02:12:44,760
Speaker 1: range fighter, they identified him, they lost sight of him.

2794
02:12:44,800 --> 02:12:46,840
Speaker 1: You've got ordinary people are like, there is a dude

2795
02:12:46,880 --> 02:12:49,840
Speaker 1: with a gun on that roof and President Trump is

2796
02:12:49,880 --> 02:12:53,560
Speaker 1: still allowed to go out on the stage and continue

2797
02:12:53,600 --> 02:12:58,680
Speaker 1: his speech. It just absolutely insane. We're also learning a

2798
02:12:58,760 --> 02:13:02,320
Speaker 1: little bit more about of the interesting searches that this

2799
02:13:02,560 --> 02:13:08,760
Speaker 1: shooter was apparently engaged in googling prior to this attempt

2800
02:13:08,760 --> 02:13:11,400
Speaker 1: at assassination. Let's take a listen to director right here.

2801
02:13:11,720 --> 02:13:13,800
Speaker 10: One of the things that I can share here today

2802
02:13:13,920 --> 02:13:16,000
Speaker 10: that has not been shared yet is that we've just

2803
02:13:16,120 --> 02:13:20,000
Speaker 10: in the last couple of days found that from our

2804
02:13:20,120 --> 02:13:24,800
Speaker 10: review to your point about devices, analysis of a laptop

2805
02:13:25,160 --> 02:13:30,240
Speaker 10: that the investigation ties to the shooter reveals that on

2806
02:13:30,400 --> 02:13:36,640
Speaker 10: July sixth, he did a Google search for quote how

2807
02:13:36,760 --> 02:13:44,160
Speaker 10: far away was Oswald from Kennedy? And so that's a

2808
02:13:44,280 --> 02:13:47,120
Speaker 10: search that obviously is significant in terms of his state

2809
02:13:47,200 --> 02:13:53,640
Speaker 10: of mind. That is the same day that it appears

2810
02:13:53,840 --> 02:13:58,200
Speaker 10: that he registered for the Butler rally.

2811
02:13:58,480 --> 02:14:01,160
Speaker 1: So how far away was Oswald from Kennedy? And then

2812
02:14:01,200 --> 02:14:02,920
Speaker 1: that same day he registers.

2813
02:14:02,480 --> 02:14:04,640
Speaker 2: For the rest. That is one IQ thing in that

2814
02:14:04,760 --> 02:14:08,000
Speaker 2: he thinks Oswald shot Kennedy. So Now, how smart that

2815
02:14:08,080 --> 02:14:12,640
Speaker 2: this guy actual so turns out he was an idiot

2816
02:14:12,680 --> 02:14:14,800
Speaker 2: if you didn't know that already, if you actually believed

2817
02:14:15,080 --> 02:14:17,880
Speaker 2: that the magic bullet theory or whatever is correct. But

2818
02:14:18,080 --> 02:14:20,560
Speaker 2: in his case, that's the irony of it is that

2819
02:14:21,080 --> 02:14:24,440
Speaker 2: in his case is that it is so obviously believable

2820
02:14:24,520 --> 02:14:27,000
Speaker 2: that it was a massive security failure. Now that we

2821
02:14:27,200 --> 02:14:30,760
Speaker 2: learn about every single instance, and the only true miracle

2822
02:14:30,840 --> 02:14:33,160
Speaker 2: in this shot or in this is not the shot itself,

2823
02:14:33,280 --> 02:14:35,000
Speaker 2: is that Trump turns his head at the last minute

2824
02:14:35,040 --> 02:14:37,280
Speaker 2: and survives and doesn't get his head bullet. You know,

2825
02:14:37,360 --> 02:14:39,920
Speaker 2: we don't get a pink misshot on national television and

2826
02:14:40,040 --> 02:14:42,280
Speaker 2: high definition. I can't imagine what the country would look

2827
02:14:42,320 --> 02:14:45,200
Speaker 2: like in something like that. I know, Oh god, God,

2828
02:14:45,240 --> 02:14:48,120
Speaker 2: be horrible. We also can talk about the Secret Service director.

2829
02:14:48,160 --> 02:14:50,520
Speaker 2: Let's put this up there on the screen, finally resigning

2830
02:14:51,200 --> 02:14:54,160
Speaker 2: after being pressured by the both members of the House

2831
02:14:54,240 --> 02:14:56,440
Speaker 2: Oversight Committee. I do want to say, I want to

2832
02:14:56,440 --> 02:15:00,200
Speaker 2: give commendation. You know, rarely will cheer for bipartisanship. This

2833
02:15:00,480 --> 02:15:05,040
Speaker 2: actually is the one moment where Jamie raskin Rocanna, you know,

2834
02:15:05,680 --> 02:15:11,040
Speaker 2: comer Republicans Democrats. Everybody was like, oh no, absolutely not.

2835
02:15:11,120 --> 02:15:13,320
Speaker 2: They're like, you got to go. Probably some of it

2836
02:15:13,400 --> 02:15:15,160
Speaker 2: is self interest in that all of them have also

2837
02:15:15,200 --> 02:15:17,080
Speaker 2: had threats to their lives, but part of it is

2838
02:15:17,120 --> 02:15:21,200
Speaker 2: also I mean again, like let's live in the context

2839
02:15:21,280 --> 02:15:24,160
Speaker 2: of the Pink misshot on TV. That's great, we can't

2840
02:15:24,320 --> 02:15:27,440
Speaker 2: unsee that as a nation like period. The Zuppruto film

2841
02:15:27,560 --> 02:15:29,640
Speaker 2: was way after. I mean to live with that, the

2842
02:15:29,720 --> 02:15:33,040
Speaker 2: consequence the trauma like the Greathing and the RNC and

2843
02:15:33,120 --> 02:15:35,240
Speaker 2: everything that would have possibly happened. I mean, I know

2844
02:15:35,320 --> 02:15:37,040
Speaker 2: somebody who said civil war. I don't know if that's

2845
02:15:37,080 --> 02:15:40,320
Speaker 2: necessarily true, but something, I mean, you know, something horrible

2846
02:15:40,680 --> 02:15:43,120
Speaker 2: would have happened. So I want to at least commend

2847
02:15:43,200 --> 02:15:47,120
Speaker 2: them for in Washington. It is so rare to see accountability.

2848
02:15:47,280 --> 02:15:50,080
Speaker 2: Now we don't start here. It's a good starting point.

2849
02:15:50,200 --> 02:15:52,840
Speaker 2: This isn't just the finishing thing or whatever. But at

2850
02:15:52,960 --> 02:15:54,640
Speaker 2: least they actually came together and they're like, no, we're

2851
02:15:54,680 --> 02:15:55,160
Speaker 2: not stand for this.

2852
02:15:55,400 --> 02:15:55,800
Speaker 7: We got to go.

2853
02:15:56,000 --> 02:15:57,560
Speaker 1: Honestly, it wasn't saying she lasts as long.

2854
02:15:57,680 --> 02:16:00,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's should gone the next day, right.

2855
02:16:00,240 --> 02:16:02,760
Speaker 1: Though, no one should delude themselves into thinking then it's

2856
02:16:02,840 --> 02:16:05,280
Speaker 1: like problem solved. It was just this one, lady, she

2857
02:16:05,440 --> 02:16:08,000
Speaker 1: was the issue. No, there is a top to bottom

2858
02:16:08,200 --> 02:16:11,000
Speaker 1: issue with this age. I don't think there's any doubt

2859
02:16:11,080 --> 02:16:14,040
Speaker 1: about that. And so this is where the conversation should begin,

2860
02:16:14,200 --> 02:16:16,480
Speaker 1: not end. But the fact that she remained for even

2861
02:16:16,560 --> 02:16:21,280
Speaker 1: a day after this all unfolded, especially when we immediately

2862
02:16:21,640 --> 02:16:25,920
Speaker 1: were learning about the stunning nature of the security failure,

2863
02:16:26,200 --> 02:16:28,600
Speaker 1: and she had the temerity to go on TV and say, well,

2864
02:16:28,640 --> 02:16:31,520
Speaker 1: we didn't position eight speakret service stations on that roof

2865
02:16:31,600 --> 02:16:34,000
Speaker 1: because it was sloped right where there's a safety isshue.

2866
02:16:34,200 --> 02:16:36,279
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah, believable.

2867
02:16:36,360 --> 02:16:39,000
Speaker 2: Wait what what did you say, lady? They're like that

2868
02:16:39,040 --> 02:16:42,200
Speaker 2: because that's exactly where any normal person would be, which

2869
02:16:42,240 --> 02:16:44,720
Speaker 2: is why fluidrone, which is why as a range finder

2870
02:16:45,000 --> 02:16:47,360
Speaker 2: outside the premiere there are cops inside of the building.

2871
02:16:47,640 --> 02:16:50,440
Speaker 2: Somebody's got a picture of him, somebody's confronting him. I mean,

2872
02:16:50,480 --> 02:16:52,760
Speaker 2: it's just a cluster all the way, you know, to

2873
02:16:53,080 --> 02:16:54,520
Speaker 2: I don't know, I mean, it's certain. And this is

2874
02:16:54,560 --> 02:16:57,240
Speaker 2: also the problem too, with stoking conspiracy. Everyone's like, oh,

2875
02:16:57,240 --> 02:16:59,280
Speaker 2: we need to stop stoking conspiracy. It's like, yeah, but

2876
02:16:59,520 --> 02:17:02,960
Speaker 2: people believe I think rightfully that usually security is pretty

2877
02:17:02,959 --> 02:17:03,480
Speaker 2: good at these things.

2878
02:17:03,520 --> 02:17:05,600
Speaker 1: I've been to a million presidential events. It's a pain

2879
02:17:05,720 --> 02:17:06,520
Speaker 1: the ass sometimes.

2880
02:17:07,000 --> 02:17:09,320
Speaker 2: I would never, in my wildest dreams think that a

2881
02:17:09,400 --> 02:17:12,119
Speaker 2: gunman could get this close, having been through the security

2882
02:17:12,160 --> 02:17:14,480
Speaker 2: perimeter so many times, and I have experienced it, not

2883
02:17:14,640 --> 02:17:16,800
Speaker 2: just watching it on TV. So for a lot of

2884
02:17:16,840 --> 02:17:19,320
Speaker 2: people out there, I mean, it's just too shocking to behold.

2885
02:17:19,400 --> 02:17:21,600
Speaker 2: I don't we still need a lot of answers. I

2886
02:17:21,640 --> 02:17:24,280
Speaker 2: see that there's a new story out with some more

2887
02:17:24,320 --> 02:17:26,480
Speaker 2: details and we can take a look and everything. But

2888
02:17:26,600 --> 02:17:28,200
Speaker 2: I think we're still at the very beginning of this.

2889
02:17:28,440 --> 02:17:28,920
Speaker 11: I really do.

2890
02:17:29,120 --> 02:17:30,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's right, all right.

2891
02:17:31,320 --> 02:17:37,720
Speaker 2: I enjoy being back. Geez the two hours catch up

2892
02:17:37,760 --> 02:17:39,640
Speaker 2: on it. I miss everybody so much. Thank you all

2893
02:17:39,680 --> 02:17:42,480
Speaker 2: for the congratulations. That was very very nice of everyone.

2894
02:17:42,640 --> 02:17:44,680
Speaker 2: And we'll see you all next week and if there's

2895
02:17:44,680 --> 02:17:46,320
Speaker 2: any breaking news, I'm sure you'll see us again.