1 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature, future production of iHeartRadio. I'm your host 2 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 1: of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology and evolutionary biology, 3 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: and today on this show, we are talking about weird 4 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:25,080 Speaker 1: animal feds. Animals can have culture, but sometimes that culture 5 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: is uncultured. From dolphin p to I'm a caque on 6 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,239 Speaker 1: your back, these animals are definitely going to ruin your 7 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: fancy dinner party. Discover this and more as we answer 8 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: the age old question are cockatoos learning to be the linkuits? 9 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,160 Speaker 1: Joining me today is segment director of The Daily Show, 10 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 1: former Cracked buddy of mine, Carmen Angelico. 11 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 2: Welcome, Hello, Hello, Hello. 12 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: It has been too long, Carmen, too long since I've 13 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: had you on the show and told you about disgusting 14 00:00:58,320 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: animal facts on. 15 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 2: Ay have nothing to say at dinner parties to you know. 16 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: I'm solving that problem for you you. I do want 17 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: to note that today's show has some mature themes, like 18 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: frank discussions of sex and bodily fluids, So if you 19 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,479 Speaker 1: have kids, maybe give it a listen before having them 20 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: listen with you. I'm gonna still avoid like knotty words 21 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: or use a duck quack too, you know, so that 22 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: the bad words don't get spoken. But there's gonna be 23 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: scientifically accurate words to describe the fluids that biological creatures 24 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: are constantly letting gush out of them. 25 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate there's a duck quack potentially. 26 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I you know, I like to have a 27 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: clean show while I'm talking about pee and poop and 28 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: uh pus and various other horrible things. Worms, worms that 29 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: go up your butt and into your brain. Oh oh, 30 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: still gonna, still gonna, still gonna say no, no, no, 31 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: no words though that's like darn. Don't say darn on 32 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: this show, all right, So let's just get right into it. 33 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: Amazon River dolphins, also known as photo dolphins, are found, 34 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: of course in the Amazon River. Uh and hey, they're 35 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: really magical because they are pink dolphins. They have this 36 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: beautiful pink coloration. They actually grow to be pink as 37 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 1: they mature into adults. Males are pinker than females. The 38 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: reason that they're pink is actually very cool, very masculine. 39 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: Their skin is worn down through knocking into things, like 40 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,519 Speaker 1: they scar very easily, so when they wrestle with each other, 41 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 1: when they rough house, when they fight with one another. 42 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: The abrasions form this pink scar tissue. So the pinker, 43 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 1: the manlyer the dolphin. 44 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 2: Huh. Well, wow, I didn't know bumping one another was 45 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 2: such a good I guess that makes sense. 46 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like dolphin bumper cars and they turn pink 47 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: and it really it really does it for the ladies, Carmen, 48 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: I have put in the chat here a link to 49 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: photos as well. There will be a video in this 50 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: article that you may or may not want to look 51 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: at all. 52 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 2: Right, so just a brief. 53 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: Description of these dolphins. They grow to be over eight 54 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: feet long, over two and a half meters. They have 55 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: very long snouts. They have flexible necks. Their neck vertebrae 56 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: are actually unfused, so they can bend their next at 57 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: a ninety degree angle, so they can like nod at you. 58 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: They can be like, hey, what's up, I'm a dolphin 59 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: like kind of look at you, like do the head turn, 60 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: like what you talking to me? 61 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 2: I appreciate that. I appreciate being acknowledged with a good 62 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 2: head nod. Yeah, it's like myself, it's up. 63 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: Dolphins gonna go sup to you, which is unusual for 64 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: usually a dolphin's neck does not accommodate the sub motion. 65 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: So these ones are similar to belugas in that they 66 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: have more neck movement that they can do. 67 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always good to know. Yeah, I know what 68 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 2: dolphin depending on how they acknowledge. 69 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: Me, right, if you can, like you could probably we 70 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: could probably teach these dolphins how to nod yes or 71 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: shake their heads no. So answer any yes or no 72 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: questions like did we make a mistake not also becoming 73 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 1: sea mammals and they nod yes. Uh so they are 74 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: really intelligent creatures. They like to drum the water with 75 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: branches or hold up live turtles in order to court females. 76 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: So if you've ever dated a drummer or someone who 77 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 1: owns turtles, you understand how this works, how this this 78 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: wooze woo's a lady or or otherwise. 79 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 2: Honestly, if more people showed me turtles just to you know, but. 80 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: This is dating advice. Everyone have a turtle, I mean, 81 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,559 Speaker 1: first of all, take good care of it, right, don't 82 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: just have a nice have a nice space for it. 83 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: Really plan it out, do research on your turtle, but 84 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: do show it to the person you are trying to woo, 85 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: and they may be into it, particularly if they're a 86 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 1: female photo dolphin. 87 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just you know the look of a well kept, 88 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 2: well taken care of turtle is healthy turtle. Turtle, healthy turtle. 89 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: Healthy turtle. Guys, we're not we're not impressed by your 90 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 1: anemic turtle that you got at the back of a 91 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: magazine and that you don't take good care of, that 92 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: you don't feed a good diet to you. But the 93 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 1: healthy ones, the good, robust turtles. And we're like, if 94 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: that man can take care of a turtle, by god, 95 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: he can take care of me. 96 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 2: Oh man, Well, okay, all right. These dolphins, Yeah, they've 97 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 2: got technique. They've got a technique. 98 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: They've got a technique. They drum, they turn pink, they 99 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: present turtles, and they do shoot their pee out of 100 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: the water like a fountain. So, uh, this is the 101 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: new behavior that has been observed by scientists, this fad 102 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: among pink river dolphins where the males will like roll 103 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 1: over on their bellies, stick their penis out of the 104 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: water and then urinate in like this sort of glorious 105 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: arc like they're a fountain plot twists. Their buddies like 106 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: their male buddies have been seen playing in the urine stream, 107 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 1: like there, it's summer and it's a sprinkler. 108 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 2: Honestly, I could see that they're supporting their friend, you know. 109 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 2: They're like, this friend is trying to get the attention 110 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 2: of a lady, and all the guys are like, you've 111 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 2: got this, dude. 112 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you know, I've never really heard of like 113 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: playing in your bro's peace stream as being supportive, but 114 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: it feels supportive and a little supportive. It's twenty twenty five. 115 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: Sometimes a bro has to play in another bro's stream. 116 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 2: I guess. I mean, you know, listen, it's I'm not 117 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 2: the dolphins in this situation, but I mean, unless it 118 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 2: is them trying to stop the dolphin from being successful 119 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 2: with their stream. 120 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: No, it's it's not exactly known why they do this. 121 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: The theories are that they are doing some kind of 122 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: chemical communication, so like they you're Animals often use urine 123 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: as a form of communication, from giraffes who like taste 124 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: each other's urine, to dogs who smell each other's urine. 125 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: A lot of animals will taste or smell urine not 126 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: just to be weird little freaks, but to find out 127 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: information about the animal that has left the urine, so 128 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: like if they're male or female, if they're in estrous, 129 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: meaning if they are reproductively active at the time. And 130 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: so it's thought that perhaps this dolphin urine portrays some 131 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: information about the dolphin, and then maybe by spraying it, 132 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: you know, in the air in an arc like a stream, 133 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: it makes it much more obvious where the PP is 134 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: because if you just pee in the water, like, how 135 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: do you know if you're another dolphin where that PP 136 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: is because everything's water except for the warm spot. Right, 137 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: So that's one theory. I think I have an alternative theory. 138 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: Since we're at the theory stage and it's not like 139 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: we have proven why dolphins pee on each other. I 140 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 1: wonder if part of it is playfulness, just like having 141 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: fun with your bros, play and play, you know, Like 142 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: it's not so different from people, is it when guys 143 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: like write their names in the snow. 144 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 2: That's true, That's yeah, that's a very good, you know analogy. 145 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like people that do not 146 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: have sort of the stylusts, the urinary stylists that allows 147 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: for writing your name in the snow, we need to 148 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: come up with something like an attachment nozzle. So that 149 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:46,439 Speaker 1: we can also join in on the name writing fun 150 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: or just get really good at like crab walking around 151 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: while being I don't know, but it seems unfair. 152 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 2: Good Okay, I mean this is a happy learning, I 153 00:09:57,920 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 2: guess you know. 154 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I uh. It is interesting because this is definitely 155 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: a trait in dolphins that is very sex dependent. So 156 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: it seems like it's the males that do it. Uh. 157 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: And this could be because it's a male specific behavior. 158 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:18,839 Speaker 1: Maybe it's being territorial, maybe it's trying to communicate something 159 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 1: about their mating status, or another theory. It's just because 160 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: they got they got a nozzle and the females don't, 161 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: and so the females can't really do it right. Like again, 162 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: like why why do people with penises write their names 163 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: in the snow versus people with vaginas. It's that the 164 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: vagina is not really so well designed for writing your 165 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: name in the snow. It's very well designed for a 166 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: number of things, just not that well. 167 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 2: So the the arc is like the peeing in the snow, 168 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 2: showing off right the ability. 169 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: Possibly okay, possibly, I don't again, like the researchers are, 170 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 1: this is a relatively new discovery and so researchers are 171 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: in the theorizing stage, so I feel more entitled to 172 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: just throw out my wild theories that have literally no 173 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: evidence yet. Like maybe it's a political statement. We don't know, 174 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: who knows, well, we have to ask, that's the challenge. Yeah, 175 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: this is what I think about your stupid land pee 176 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: in the air, you know. Or maybe they're just recreating 177 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 1: that classic bumper sticker, the Calvin ping on. 178 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 2: You know. Honestly, I mean, if it was all that, 179 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 2: if it was just that some that they somehow got 180 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 2: access to that bumper sticker and ever since it's been that, 181 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 2: that would be hilarious. 182 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: I never quite understood the Calvin bumper sticker peeing. Do 183 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:44,599 Speaker 1: you know anything about that? 184 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 2: Don't believe it or not. I don't know the history 185 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 2: of that, understand it personally. Yeah, but it feels pertinent 186 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 2: to the situation that you're describing. 187 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: It seems like there's always going to be sort of 188 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: a Calvin peeing bumper sticker type situation for every species 189 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 1: of animals, which is, you know, that's that's inspiring in 190 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: a way. Are we so different? 191 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 2: You asked a good question. 192 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, so there is a video. If you're wondering of 193 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: one of these dolphins ping. I'll link it in the 194 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: show notes. It's from National Geographic and yeah, it's you. 195 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:31,079 Speaker 1: You just you see everything. You see it all happening. 196 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:37,199 Speaker 1: The dolphin p experts call it aerial urination, and there 197 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 1: are dolphin p experts. By the way, a study by 198 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: Clariana Ruho weang it all observed them and over the 199 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: course of nine days, researchers documented aerial urination thirty six times. 200 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: So they do it a lot. The lead researcher said, 201 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: an end of jewel will start to slowly flip belly 202 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 1: up and expose the penis and urinate. When another male 203 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: is present, he may sometimes chase the urine stream with 204 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: his rostrum. Now, the rostrum is like the nose of 205 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: the dolphin. Oh that long nose thingy, that's the rostrum. 206 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, I didn't know that, didn't know the name. 207 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 1: Well, there you go. We're learning a lot of things 208 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 1: about peeing and rostrums. 209 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:25,959 Speaker 2: I mean, this is I'm definitely gonna have a lot 210 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 2: to talk about at my next dinner party. 211 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 1: You know, it's a I think the fanci or the 212 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: dinner party, the more likely I think you should bring 213 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: up like this, Like yeah, like if it's if it's 214 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: a black suit dinner party, you're gonna really impress people 215 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 1: with your river dolphin golden showers talk. 216 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm ready to impress, is what I'm saying. 217 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: It's interesting because a Native Amazonian folklore believes that the 218 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: or river dolphins can transform into humans and come out 219 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: of the water, and that they like wear a hat 220 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: to disguise their blowhole, which I guess that they can't, 221 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: like they can transform into a human, but they got 222 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: to breathe out of the blowhole, so I guess they 223 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: got a blowhole on their head, but they put a 224 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: little hat over it, which, hey, you know what game is? 225 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 2: Game? 226 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: Ah, And these are called incantato And it's either a 227 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: beautiful man who comes ashore and impregnates maidens or a 228 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: beautiful woman who seduces married men and then after a 229 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: week of this, she trans kind of like transforms him 230 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: into a baby and then transfers him into his own 231 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: wife's womb. It's so a lot of the folklore stories 232 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: about these things, things like changlings, things like these, the 233 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: dolphins stories, it's usually a way to explain tragedy. Actually, 234 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: so like things like, uh so if a man like 235 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: drowns and leaves behind a wife who's pregnant, maybe this 236 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: story came about where it's like, well, actually he was 237 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: seduced by a man by a dolphin that turned into 238 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: a beautiful lady and then turned him into a baby 239 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: that's now in your womb. So then you know what 240 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: I mean. So it's a it's a very interesting kind 241 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: of cultural thing. And of course the other one where 242 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: it's like a dolphin transforming into a beautiful man and 243 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: getting maiden's pregnant, that's like a way to be like, hey, now, 244 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: why are you pregnant? It's like, well a dolphin did it. 245 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: What am I supposed to do about it? 246 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean wow, I you know, I I'd heard 247 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 2: of like the folklore of the changeling, but this is 248 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 2: such a fascinating take on that and it's cool to know. 249 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've read about with changelings. What's interesting about that 250 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: is it seems like it was an explanation for people 251 00:15:55,760 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: who would get sick and die sometimes where it was 252 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: like they would think that maybe the person who's like 253 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: sick and dying, especially if it involved something where they 254 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: would become delirious or have dementia that that person was 255 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: exchanged with like a changeling. And so it's kind of 256 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: a it's a tragic thing because it's sort of a 257 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: way for people to cope with the grief of someone dying, 258 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: especially babies. Right, So, like if a baby suddenly gets 259 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: sick and dies for no kind of observable reason, at 260 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: this point of time, it'd be like, well, a change 261 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: link came swapped out the baby, So my baby is 262 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: alive somewhere living with the fairies, whereas this baby was 263 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: like a fake baby who died. So yeah, when you 264 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: look behind a lot of these like kind of seemingly 265 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: strange or silly tales of folklore, it is often describing 266 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: either something cultural or something psychological, right, like coping with 267 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: grief in these cultures. 268 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 2: I am actually going to talk about that at it 269 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 2: in your party, because I think that's fascinating. This is 270 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 2: all really interesting. 271 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: As long as you also talk about the ping. 272 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 2: Obvious obviously, you know, I mean it would be after 273 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 2: I have to set it. 274 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:11,959 Speaker 1: Up, right, yeah, right, You you kind of warm them 275 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: up with the talk about folklore and cultural grief, and 276 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: then you hit them with the dolphin pea fountain and 277 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: then you right, and then they're gonna go through the 278 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:33,880 Speaker 1: several stages of grief and shock after being told that, Well, uh, 279 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna take a little break here while 280 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: you digest all that information. And when we get back, 281 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about macacus and the interesting things they 282 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:53,719 Speaker 1: do with deer. Again, you have children, maybe consider listening 283 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: ahead for this part. And it's deciding whether this is 284 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: appropriate or not. It's science, though, it's all based in size. 285 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:06,120 Speaker 2: So we'll be right back. This is fascinating, I mean, 286 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 2: it really is. I like it. I like it. I 287 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 2: like knowing this. I like knowing more things about the world. 288 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: You know, and there are a lot of things in 289 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 1: the world, and it's important to don't know them, even 290 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: when it's macaque humping deer. So you we have talked 291 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: about the river dolphins and how like the boys were 292 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 1: having all the fun with peeing in the air. Now 293 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: we get to talk about something that both sexes can 294 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: enjoy in the macaque population, and this is mounting a deer. 295 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 1: And when I say mounting a deer, I don't mean 296 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: sticking it on your wall. I do mean two things though. 297 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: One riding a deer and two wink wink riding a deer. 298 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: Wink wink so. 299 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 2: Yes verbalizing wink wink, wink, wink wink wink. 300 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: Japanese macaques are those fuffy, red faced, very very cute 301 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 1: primates who bathe in hot springs like they're snow monkeys. 302 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: You know, if you've ever seen those hot spring monkeys, 303 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 1: these are what I'm talking about. They are really smart, 304 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,880 Speaker 1: they're highly social. They'll throw snowballs at each other. They 305 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: are the These are the monkeys, or these are the 306 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 1: macaques that learned how to season their yams by dipping 307 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: the yams in salt water. They watched this, like ingenious 308 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:32,199 Speaker 1: female macaque many years ago, like decades ago, do this, 309 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: and now it's a cultural phenomenon among macacus. They've all 310 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 1: learned to season their yams with salt water. Uh. And 311 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: there's a new fad among the macaques, and this time 312 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: it's riding deer in multiple ways. 313 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 2: So. 314 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: Skia deer are small deer that live in Japanese forest. 315 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: They're very cute. They're super super cute. They're like much 316 00:19:55,880 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: they're like a I would say ponies deer like. They're 317 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: much smaller than the large deer that we would have 318 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:10,360 Speaker 1: like in North America, and they're relatively chill. They live 319 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 1: in Japanese forests and they have become the object of 320 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: affection for Japanese macaques. So it started with one male 321 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:23,199 Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen. A male started going around hopping on 322 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 1: these deer's backs and you know, trying to mate with 323 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 1: them in a way that was mechanically questionable. 324 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 2: Oh wow. 325 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: It was thought that maybe he was sexually frustrated or bored, 326 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 1: we don't know. Then in twenty eighteen, researchers found that 327 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 1: other macaques, five females, were also jumping onto deer and 328 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: trying to mate with them, again in a situation that 329 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: was mechanically questionable. Yeah. So then the observation has continued 330 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: that these macaques are like this. Basically, this fad of 331 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: jumping on a deer and then humping them has just 332 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: exploded among macaques. Sometimes they'll ride the deer around like 333 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 1: it's a little pony, and sometimes they'll hump the deer 334 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: or both. Sometimes it's both. 335 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 2: And this is recent. This is a new discovery. 336 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: On it It isn't, yes, so it's it's a new 337 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: discovery in terms of like it's the observation started in 338 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, and it seems like it's become sort of 339 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: a fad among them. We don't know if this behavior 340 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: has happened before, right, it's very plausible that it could 341 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: have happened before, or that maybe there's waves. Just like fads, 342 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 1: you know, kind of come and go in human society, 343 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 1: it's possible that this comes and goes in macaque society. 344 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: You know. Deer humping sort of like how you know 345 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: what the sort of Saturday Night Live hip gyration thing 346 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: was a thing and then it wasn't a thing, and 347 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: maybe it's a thing again. I really couldn't tell you 348 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: because I'm not very cool. 349 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 2: So hey, I think you're very cool. 350 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: That's really nice of you. You've never seen me try 351 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: to dance at a wedding. Oh but you know, I 352 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: look like a ma caque trying to mate with a deer, 353 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: is what I'm saying. 354 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 2: So yeah, you know, I didn't know that was a 355 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 2: dance move option. 356 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:38,880 Speaker 1: But well it's it's acrobatically intense and it does get 357 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: you kicked out of some weddings, but you know, I 358 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: stand by it. So they jump on the deer's backs 359 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 1: and yeah, it's if you're wondering what the deer think 360 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 1: about it, they actually don't seem to mind it too much. 361 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: They actually like to hang around the macaques because they 362 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 1: will get groomed by the macaques. The macacus will eat 363 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 1: little ticks and fleas and things like parasites that are 364 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: on the deer. They also like to eat the fruit 365 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: that the macaques drop, and sometimes they eat their poop 366 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: because you know, it's really a shame that human beings 367 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,959 Speaker 1: are just we're just so darned fussy. We just we 368 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: eliminate so many things from our diet, like poop, dead people, rocks, 369 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: you know, all sorts of things that like animals have 370 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: the have the grit and the culinary courage to really 371 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 1: go for it. 372 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 2: Nice. Yeah, yeah, I guess, I'm I guess I'm just 373 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 2: not there with the macaques. You know, it's just not 374 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 2: you're right, culinarily, No, not there. 375 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah. I have I have some like texture issues 376 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 1: with like food and stuff, so I don't think I 377 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: would be down for eating macaque poop either. Also, it's poop, 378 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:14,719 Speaker 1: so that's not great either, But like generally yeah, uh, 379 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: but yeah, it's the macqu poop will have like a 380 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 1: lot of sort of quasi digested like vegetable vegetation or 381 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: fruit in it, and so the deer will then help 382 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 1: themselves to their leavings. 383 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 2: Well at least that it's mutually beneficial in that way. 384 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: Yes, this is actually considered to be a very freaky 385 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 1: form of symbiosis. 386 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 3: Wow. 387 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: Yes, because first of all, like if a deer, because 388 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: like often you'll have like uh sad to say, like, 389 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: you know, situations in nature that are not very consensual. 390 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: In this case, if a macaque gets on a deer's 391 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: back and the deer is not really interested in getting 392 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 1: a very gross back massage, the deer will just sort 393 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 1: of shake the macaque loose and they'll just fall right off. 394 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 2: Oh great, well, you know great. 395 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: And then sometimes the deer is just like what you're doing? 396 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 1: What back there? I don't care, I'm a deer. Maybe 397 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 1: I'll eat your poop later. 398 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 2: Maybe, ah, poop. It always comes back to the poop. 399 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: It really doesn't, I'm you know, it happens a lot 400 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: on this show, and I have to, like I swear 401 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: to you it's because I read scientific papers, like I swear, 402 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 1: I promise, and not that I'm subscribed to poop monthly. 403 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 2: So the yeah, a lot of sands to it. You know, 404 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 2: as we as we've as we've learned. I think many 405 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 2: of us have learned from a very important book from 406 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 2: our childhood. 407 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: Everybody poops, everybody poops, and some people will eat that poop. No, 408 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: maybe I shouldn't. Some some species will will eat poop 409 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:00,679 Speaker 1: and hope it's not you. 410 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 2: I haven't read that book. 411 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: I have been trying to get a publisher on that book, 412 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: and no one's biting. I don't get it. I'm just 413 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: a brave truth teller. 414 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 2: And I appreciate it. 415 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 1: So this is possibly the grossest fact, in my humble opinion, 416 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: that I've ever said on the show. So you know, again, 417 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 1: brace yourselves. Maybe cover the ears of your of any 418 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 1: child around you, your own ears. If you've got a 419 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: ma caque with you, or deer with you, cover their 420 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 1: ears as well. 421 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:39,360 Speaker 2: Uh. 422 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: Basically, nobody listened to this, So there is a there, 423 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: and I promise you this is a scientific observation the deer. 424 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: When a male macaque humps the deer and ejaculates, some 425 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: of the deer reach around and lick the ejaculate off 426 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: of their back. And these freaky scientists have the gall 427 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 1: to come up with a theory that possibly this is 428 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: symbiosis because it has a nutritional benefit. And guys, look, 429 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: I am a big advocate of science, but someone help 430 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: these poor researchers because I think they might be bored 431 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 1: and I think they might need to get out more sometimes. 432 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 2: Yeah wow, yeah, I. 433 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: Mean National Geographic more like National pornographic. I don't know. Wow, 434 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: it's I literally read this in the National Geographic and 435 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 1: I feel I feel like I've done something wrong. 436 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:48,919 Speaker 2: No, hey, you're just sharing with everyone else. And when 437 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 2: nobody was listening to that question, because. 438 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: If I if I my personal philosophy is that if 439 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 1: I have to suffer, everyone suffers. 440 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 2: So now knowledge is. 441 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: A disease that I like to surpread. 442 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,919 Speaker 3: All right, Yeah, I mean I again, I feel like 443 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna have to contact you after these 444 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 3: dinner parties and I share everything I've learned because it 445 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 3: could be a wild ride of a dinner party. 446 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: Listen, if you don't if you can't stand me at 447 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: my most talking about the cats ejaculate getting eaten by deer, 448 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: you don't deserve me at my Bodo River dolphins peeing 449 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:36,640 Speaker 1: in the air. 450 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 2: I think that's that's the exact quote. 451 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: That is the exact quote. I've got one of those 452 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: like wooden plaques that have all the different like fancy 453 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: fonts on it, and. 454 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 2: It's really long, long, it. 455 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: Takes up a lot of space. Anyways, guys, if you're 456 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: still here and you're still listening and you didn't shut 457 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: off the podcast, I really appreciate you. Thank you you uh. 458 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: And we're going to take a quick break, you know, 459 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: a palate cleanser will say, and then we will talk 460 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: about we'll finish the show with something slightly less gross. 461 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: Actually actually way less, way, way way less gross. I'm 462 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: gonna say, right, yeah, yeah, all right, guys. Now we're 463 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: going to talk about cockatoos playing with garbage, because sometimes, 464 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: you know, like sometimes I feel like a little cockatoo 465 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: playing around in garbage not thinking about my problems. So 466 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: are you familiar with Australia. 467 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 2: Carmen, I am familiar with Australia. 468 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: How familiar? 469 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 2: Not ultra familiar. I mean I know where it is 470 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 2: on the map, I know certain facts about it. I 471 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 2: have never been there, sadly, and I don't and I 472 00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 2: would love to learn more. So, if this is an 473 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 2: opportunit unity for me to learn more. I am excited. 474 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: What's your number one Australia fact? 475 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 2: That you know that there are certain animals that live 476 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 2: on the continent of Australia that don't live anywhere else 477 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 2: in the world. 478 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: That is very true. Those are called endemic animals and 479 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: there's a good amount of them. A lot of them 480 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: are marsupials. These are birds that live in New South 481 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: Wales in Australia. And these are cockatoos. They're a type 482 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: of parrot. You probably have seen them before. These are 483 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: sulfur crested cockatoos. They are white with a yellow crest 484 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 1: on the top of their heads and they have sort 485 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: of yellow splash under their wings. They're very, very pretty 486 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: relatively large parrots. They're about yay big, which you can't 487 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: see because it's a podcast, but i'd say, you know, 488 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: like a foot long sandwich ish big so which I 489 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: don't think is actually a foot Is it foot. 490 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 2: Longs No, I don't think they are anymore really fall 491 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 2: foot long, but I don't know if they accurately measure 492 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 2: that way. 493 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: I don't know that they're an imperial foot, but I'm 494 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 1: sure someone's got a foot that is that long? 495 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 2: That long? Yeah, and maybe that's what they're not actually 496 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 2: talking about the measure of just some random person's foot. 497 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: This is why we have to switch to metric. So 498 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: kakatoo's about the size of a foot long sandwich, whether 499 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: or not it's actually a foot long. They're very, very intelligent. 500 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: Their natural habitat is woodland in Australia, but due to 501 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: the spread of the suburbs and the erburbs and the 502 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 1: burbs and the urban and human in general, they have 503 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: found their way closer to human society. And because they 504 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: have such a high degree of social awareness and intelligence, 505 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: learning and taking cues from one another, certain trends will 506 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:08,959 Speaker 1: pop up among the cockatoo community. So an example of 507 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: just like how intelligent they are and their social behavior 508 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 1: is that while foraging, one cockatoo will keep watch from 509 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 1: a tree and signals to the rest of the cockatoos 510 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: if it since is danger approaching. And this has been 511 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: an observation that has been made to the point where apparently, 512 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: and please Australians write to me if I'm wrong about this, 513 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,959 Speaker 1: because I frankly do not trust the Internet anymore. At 514 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: this point, cockatoo or cocky has been used. It's possibly 515 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: a little antiquated, but it's been used in Australian slang 516 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 1: for like a police lookout, like someone who is on 517 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 1: the lookout for the police when you're trying to put 518 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 1: too many shrimp on your barbie and you're worried about 519 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: getting arrested. 520 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, okay, So when I do eventually visit, I'll know, 521 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 2: I'll understand more. 522 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: You'll understand and you will also when you do visit 523 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: and you want to do crimes, because I know you, Carmen, 524 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 1: you'll want to befriend the cockatoos so that you can 525 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: have them alert you to when the police are coming 526 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 1: to bust you for your illegal, illegal kangaroo boxing outfit. 527 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 2: Oh why do you have to already? Well, you know, 528 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 2: if I've any excuse to befriend the cockatoos, that's uh, 529 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 2: I'll take it. 530 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. They are rather bold when it comes to people, 531 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 1: and you can, in certain ways befriend them. Feeding them 532 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: can cause problems because then boy, are they going to 533 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 1: expect that and really really get in your business. So 534 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if I would necessarily recommend that, but yeah, 535 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 1: they are They're super super social, very intelligent. They have 536 00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 1: been kept as pets. I personally, unless you're ready to 537 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: take care of a dinosaur that has an incredibly powerful 538 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 1: crushing beak that can I think actually break your bone, 539 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 1: that has the permanent mind of a human toddler, I 540 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 1: would not keep it as a pet. I mean, but 541 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,280 Speaker 1: if you want a small dinosaur that has a powerfully 542 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 1: crushing beak that can break your fingerbones, that permanently has 543 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,280 Speaker 1: the mind of a two year old human being child, 544 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: then sure. 545 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't. That wasn't what I was on the 546 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 2: lookout for a pet. I'm gonna have to think on it. Yeah. 547 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 1: I like my dog because she's dumb, and she likes 548 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 1: belly rubs, and she has the she has the bite 549 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: force of like a twist tie. 550 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's a good bite force. 551 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, she doesn't. She's you know, or maybe like a 552 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 1: bag clip. I'm gonna say a bag clip. She's got 553 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 1: the bite force of a bag clip, and she she 554 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 1: does get a little bit body with me sometimes. But 555 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 1: you know again, bag clip, okay, bag clip? Yeah, so 556 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 1: it like holds, it holds generally, it holds the chips in, 557 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,320 Speaker 1: but a little air will get in and make it stale. 558 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 1: Yes bite which like, I'm she's always doing this When 559 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: I give her a bag of chips to keep fresh. 560 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 1: It's like you had one job, dog, one job in 561 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 1: this house, keep my chips fresh. So yes, cockatoo's possibly 562 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 1: not good pets, but incredibly cool animals, very social and 563 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,240 Speaker 1: because they are so intelligent again sort of like tiny 564 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 1: dinosaur human toddler brains. Uh, they get into an enormous 565 00:35:55,040 --> 00:36:01,319 Speaker 1: amount of mischief, especially amongst a human suburban and urban structures. 566 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 1: They have learned how to rip up any cheaply constructed 567 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 1: building materials. Like if you're trying to put plastic facades 568 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 1: on your buildings, these cockatoos are gonna know it, They're 569 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 1: gonna find it, and they're gonna rip that to shreds. 570 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 1: And honestly, I feel like they're right, you know, Like 571 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 1: I think like if you're cheaping out on construction materials 572 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:27,839 Speaker 1: and these cockatoos find you, they're basically like free architectural auditors, 573 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 1: like pointing out shoddy shoddy design and shoddy construction, but 574 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,720 Speaker 1: actively yeah, ripping it apart for no clear reason. 575 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 2: They're actively being like, well this isn't strong enough, Well. 576 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 1: Here's your problem. Just completely tears off a chunk of 577 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 1: plastic rain gutter. 578 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 2: Uh. 579 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:53,839 Speaker 1: So they you know again, and they have come up 580 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,439 Speaker 1: with a fun game and this is called flip the bin, 581 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 1: and it is when they go to people's garbage bins 582 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 1: and they flip the lid open and then they just 583 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 1: toss garbage around and sometimes they'll like find things to 584 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 1: eat inside, but a lot of the time it's for 585 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 1: the thrill of the game. So this is an example 586 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,839 Speaker 1: of cockatoo culture because it started in twenty fifteen with 587 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 1: one cockatoo doing it, uh, and he was probably a 588 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 1: really cool cockatoo. Everyone wanted to copy him, and by 589 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen it had become a wild fat among a 590 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:35,920 Speaker 1: wide number of cockatoos. And sometimes, like they'll like flip 591 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 1: it and play with the garbage. Sometimes they just do 592 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: it for the thrill of flipping the lid. Sometimes they 593 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,879 Speaker 1: do it with an audience and then all the other 594 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,799 Speaker 1: cockatoos get really excited once they flip the lid. It's 595 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,080 Speaker 1: just a it's just a game, man, It's it's a 596 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:51,800 Speaker 1: fun thing to do with your buddies. 597 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 2: Okay, well again, it seems like the buddies get involved 598 00:37:58,640 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 2: in these activities a lot. 599 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of like I don't know, Like for 600 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:09,360 Speaker 1: a while everyone was flipping bottles, water bottles when we 601 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:09,879 Speaker 1: did that. 602 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 2: Yes, or yes, flipping couples. 603 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,800 Speaker 1: First it was like the solo cups that you're supposed 604 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,839 Speaker 1: to flip, and then if you didn't do it right, 605 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,400 Speaker 1: you got beaten with pool noodles pool noodles or maybe 606 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 1: that was me, I don't know, but everyone everyone's had 607 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,799 Speaker 1: that experience, right and then and then it was like 608 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 1: water bottles that you flip and then you try to 609 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:42,360 Speaker 1: get it to land. Yeah. Yeah, what are kids flipping 610 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 1: these days? Is it POGs again? Did we send me 611 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:46,560 Speaker 1: back around to POGs? 612 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,399 Speaker 2: I did not. I don't know if POGs are back, 613 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 2: but uh, honestly, I'm shocked. I'm shocked that they aren't. 614 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,719 Speaker 2: By now, they aren't. Right, it's such a good flippable thing. 615 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,439 Speaker 1: I've seen some bay blade content online a little bit. 616 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,759 Speaker 1: I think Babe blades might be making a grand comeback. 617 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:06,840 Speaker 2: Oh are they they're flippable? 618 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,520 Speaker 1: Well, they're more like tops. I think they're like plastic 619 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,600 Speaker 1: tops that have a rip chord so they go really fast, 620 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,319 Speaker 1: so they have that' centripetal force and then they do 621 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 1: flip sometimes like you have a Guys, I'm gonna explain 622 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,839 Speaker 1: bay blades to you for a second. Here you have 623 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,560 Speaker 1: an arena, a plastic bowl shaped arena, and then you 624 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,120 Speaker 1: I've never done this with an I've never done bay 625 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,759 Speaker 1: blade before, but as far as I can tell, you 626 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,319 Speaker 1: like do a rip chords that gets the like the 627 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,879 Speaker 1: top is in like a little chamber, and then you 628 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,600 Speaker 1: pull a chord and it spins the top really fast 629 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,319 Speaker 1: and or releases it into the plastic arena, which is 630 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 1: sort of a bowl shape, and you put another bay 631 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,600 Speaker 1: blade in there, and then the bay blades fight by 632 00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,440 Speaker 1: bumping into each other a lot of times, and then 633 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,239 Speaker 1: one of the is the victor based on which one 634 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:08,720 Speaker 1: is still spinning. And that's bay blades. You don't look impressed, Carmen, 635 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,360 Speaker 1: And I. 636 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:14,560 Speaker 2: I mean, listen, I guess you know. I'm taking a 637 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,279 Speaker 2: lot in today. I thought it was just going to 638 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,960 Speaker 2: be nature, and now it's so much more than that. 639 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 1: Blades are a force of nature. 640 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:31,239 Speaker 2: They are you know, you've got me, There is all 641 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:36,920 Speaker 2: around us at all times. Yeah. No, we've gotten into physics, 642 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,919 Speaker 2: we've gotten into folklore, and we've gotten into obviously biology. 643 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, maybe maybe the kids are gonna flip 644 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,640 Speaker 1: bin lids like the cockatoo's. I hope they just don't 645 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,200 Speaker 1: do the dolphin thing, you know, Yeah. 646 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah, that that's I would prefer the 647 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:55,399 Speaker 2: bin flipping myself as well. 648 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, personally. Uh, you know, if we if we're gonna 649 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,200 Speaker 1: have a new TikTok trend, let's have it be bin 650 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:06,719 Speaker 1: flipping or you know, just a hey, new idea for 651 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,799 Speaker 1: a TikTok trend. What if it's picking up litter and 652 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 1: putting it in the bin? Kids? That's cool? 653 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,799 Speaker 2: Right? Oh, I'm flipping for that. 654 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:20,440 Speaker 1: I flipping out for picking up litter and putting it 655 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:21,120 Speaker 1: in the bin. 656 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:26,160 Speaker 2: Can we Yeah? How how good of a trend is that? 657 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:26,840 Speaker 1: Yeah? 658 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,200 Speaker 2: Are we cool? Are we not cool? 659 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:35,680 Speaker 1: I feel like we're very cool? And the Zoomers and 660 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:40,399 Speaker 1: uh is the zoomers? Wait, the Zoomers aren't the youngest. Now, 661 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:41,520 Speaker 1: who's the little ones? 662 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:42,880 Speaker 2: Alpha? 663 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:47,440 Speaker 1: Oh? That's kind of not a fun name. I feel 664 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,200 Speaker 1: like we got to come up with a more fun name. 665 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,799 Speaker 2: Well, they'll come up with, I'm sure a nickname. Yeah, 666 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:54,799 Speaker 2: you know, we all get we all get a bunch 667 00:41:54,840 --> 00:42:00,480 Speaker 2: of different names, that's true. Yeah, but hopefully everybody is 668 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:01,799 Speaker 2: having fun with POGs. 669 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,640 Speaker 1: I hope so too. I can't wait to start blaming 670 00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:12,440 Speaker 1: Generation Alpha for my problems and uh yeah, so so. Culture, guys, 671 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:17,200 Speaker 1: animals have it. Culture is defined by basically ideas that 672 00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:22,600 Speaker 1: get passed on from one individual to others and then 673 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,520 Speaker 1: to you know, other generations. And these are all examples 674 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,000 Speaker 1: of them. This is just these are just the grossest, 675 00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,160 Speaker 1: trashiest examples that I could find. So you're welcome. 676 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,200 Speaker 2: Oh wow, this episode, you know, you're really uh, you're 677 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,080 Speaker 2: really testing the audience with this one a little bit. 678 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,840 Speaker 1: I feel like I gave them appropriate amounts of warning. 679 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,080 Speaker 2: You did, you really did. In fact, at one point 680 00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:50,399 Speaker 2: you told them not to listen at all. 681 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,640 Speaker 1: At one point I told them to throw their phone 682 00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:56,200 Speaker 1: into the ocean and never listen to a podcast again. 683 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,040 Speaker 1: But that's just how it is. Sometimes we're gonna end 684 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:05,160 Speaker 1: the episode with something a little more, a little more friendly. 685 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,640 Speaker 1: So I like to play a little game called Guess 686 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,879 Speaker 1: Who's squawk on the Mystery Animal Sound Game. Every week 687 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:14,880 Speaker 1: I play Mystery Animal sound and you the listener, and 688 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,560 Speaker 1: you the guests, try to guess who is making that sound. 689 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:23,840 Speaker 1: Last week's Mystery Animal sound hint was this Some people 690 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:31,800 Speaker 1: just have a prickly personality. All right, So did you 691 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:36,680 Speaker 1: hear those pathetic little sound? Oh? I sure did, and 692 00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,040 Speaker 1: I think I can guess. All right, what do you think, 693 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:45,800 Speaker 1: Carmen porcupine? You are absolutely correct. Congratulations to the fastest 694 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,160 Speaker 1: guesser's grant w Miriam R, Emily M. And Jared M 695 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,680 Speaker 1: for guessing correctly as well. This is a baby North 696 00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:57,919 Speaker 1: American porcupine named Spike who is upset because he fell 697 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:02,360 Speaker 1: off a porch and someone uh with very heavy duty 698 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,399 Speaker 1: gloves picked him up and gently put him back next 699 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,799 Speaker 1: to his mom, but the baby was not having it. 700 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:11,440 Speaker 2: That is an upsetting experience. 701 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, clip off of the porch, right, And apparently it's 702 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,399 Speaker 1: one that porcupines have quite a bit, because they are uh, 703 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,480 Speaker 1: they fall out of trees a lot, uh, and they're 704 00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,880 Speaker 1: relatively clumsy, so much so that they have developed a 705 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:30,600 Speaker 1: special adaptation for their clumsiness and getting impaled by their 706 00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:31,360 Speaker 1: own spikes. 707 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:32,000 Speaker 2: They have. 708 00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:37,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, they have antibiotics in their skin in case they 709 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,480 Speaker 1: fall and stick themselves with their own bills. 710 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,359 Speaker 2: What. Yeah, well, I'm glad they have antibiotics in their 711 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:44,879 Speaker 2: own skin. 712 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:50,359 Speaker 1: But ouch also ouch also get indeed, ouch indeed also, Uh, 713 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,480 Speaker 1: that is a that is a problem, like when you 714 00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,920 Speaker 1: were covered in very sharp spines and some and you 715 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,799 Speaker 1: like fall a lot. It is a thing that can 716 00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,920 Speaker 1: happen where you do put poke yourself, uh with your 717 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:06,640 Speaker 1: own spines. Uh. And so their skin has antibiotics natural 718 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:11,839 Speaker 1: antibiotics in it to prevent infection. Uh. And then they 719 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:15,720 Speaker 1: make terribly cute noises the whole time they're bumbling around. 720 00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:22,319 Speaker 1: Oh there's so Yeah. I love their survival strategy of 721 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:28,240 Speaker 1: being really cute, possibly quite stupid, but just so spiky 722 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,080 Speaker 1: nobody can really do anything about it. 723 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's you know, you don't have to worry 724 00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,879 Speaker 2: about people bugging you if you're spiky, but you could 725 00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,719 Speaker 2: just kind of exist and be adorable. 726 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:46,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, exactly. So they're well, you coke yourself sometimes too. 727 00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:48,920 Speaker 1: It ain't that the truth though, And you got a 728 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:54,799 Speaker 1: prickly personality sometimes you poke yourself. That's uh. I bet 729 00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,880 Speaker 1: everyone wonders, why why didn't you become a therapist or 730 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,680 Speaker 1: a life coach when I come up with these things 731 00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:08,760 Speaker 1: mm hmmm hmm. Anyways, uh onto this week's mystery animal sound. 732 00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:21,280 Speaker 1: The hint is this start your engines. I got any guesses, Carmen, 733 00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:22,759 Speaker 1: aren't your engines? 734 00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:31,600 Speaker 2: Is the hint? I mean, I want to say a bird, 735 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,319 Speaker 2: but that's all as far as I can get. Maybe, yeah, 736 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:37,520 Speaker 2: is that right? 737 00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:37,919 Speaker 1: No? 738 00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,640 Speaker 2: Mostly, No, that's okay. I didn't say you're ready either. 739 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:44,480 Speaker 1: Sorry, I don't mean to. 740 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:50,880 Speaker 2: I don't know, but I prefer the accuracy. Also, the 741 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,040 Speaker 2: most big is it a bird? You know? 742 00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,280 Speaker 1: You know you gotta you gotta start somewhere and starting 743 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:04,239 Speaker 1: with is it a bird? That's that's a perfectly valid attempt. 744 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:10,160 Speaker 1: It's wrong, It's terribly terribly wrong. But it's not it's 745 00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:14,000 Speaker 1: not even a bird. You're completely wrong. You don't win anything, 746 00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:18,640 Speaker 1: but you tried, and that that's something. 747 00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,680 Speaker 2: That's a you know, trying, as they say, is a 748 00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:22,520 Speaker 2: win in itself. 749 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:28,560 Speaker 1: Except for that, I've never heard anyone what are you 750 00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:29,400 Speaker 1: talking about? 751 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,800 Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure I heard somebody say that, and by somebody, 752 00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:37,400 Speaker 2: I mean myself at this moment. But but you know, 753 00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,320 Speaker 2: I respect and I understand that it is not a bird. 754 00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:45,680 Speaker 1: Well, you don't win anything except for the knowledge that 755 00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,319 Speaker 1: you are incorrect. And uh, but if you out there 756 00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,400 Speaker 1: think you know who might be making this sound, please 757 00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,320 Speaker 1: write to me at Creature Future pot at gmail dot com. 758 00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,480 Speaker 1: I promise I won't be mean to you like I 759 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,680 Speaker 1: am to call Carman. But she's strong and she can 760 00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,000 Speaker 1: take it. 761 00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,400 Speaker 2: I am very strong. And for those who are trying 762 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,040 Speaker 2: to guess, it's not a bird, so don't. 763 00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,120 Speaker 1: It's not a bird, she's actually really helped all of 764 00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,799 Speaker 1: you by ruling out all birds. So it's not a bird. 765 00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:14,000 Speaker 2: Bird. 766 00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:19,120 Speaker 1: That's a huge gent You've done a great service to 767 00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:19,880 Speaker 1: the community. 768 00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:23,120 Speaker 2: You're welcome. Yeah, I lost your game exactly. 769 00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,280 Speaker 1: She took one for the team. She's a martyr, true. 770 00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:29,400 Speaker 2: Carman. 771 00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,200 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on and joining us. 772 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:36,120 Speaker 1: It was also fantastic to see you again. Uh. Tell 773 00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,600 Speaker 1: the people where they can find your work. 774 00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,080 Speaker 2: Well, if you watch The Daily Show, you can see 775 00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:47,280 Speaker 2: many of my pieces that I direct air there. Otherwise 776 00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:48,400 Speaker 2: it's a little she's. 777 00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,239 Speaker 1: A little show called The Daily Show. You've probably never 778 00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,920 Speaker 1: heard of it. It's like it's really niche. It's really niche. 779 00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,120 Speaker 1: It's like this little indie show called The Daily Show. 780 00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,040 Speaker 1: Hardly any part of it. 781 00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,919 Speaker 2: Uh. And if you want to see my specific work, 782 00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:07,400 Speaker 2: you can go to my website Carmen Angelica dot com. 783 00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:13,439 Speaker 2: And uh, otherwise, you know, I guess yeah, that's kind 784 00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,680 Speaker 2: of where most of the information for me is. Otherwise, 785 00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,200 Speaker 2: maybe the next time I'm on this podcast so that 786 00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,000 Speaker 2: I can learn more about animals. 787 00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,520 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I'll have you back on, and I will 788 00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:30,239 Speaker 1: try to find even worse things to talk about next time. 789 00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:35,440 Speaker 2: I did request things be pretty pretty gross for my benefits. 790 00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:42,080 Speaker 1: You know, she's lying to cover for me. I sprung 791 00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:43,680 Speaker 1: that with no warning. 792 00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:49,200 Speaker 2: You know, listen, that's that's how much I like you. Yeah, like, 793 00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,719 Speaker 2: I take I want to I'll take the gross thing. 794 00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,239 Speaker 1: I did send an email a few hours earlier ago, 795 00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,560 Speaker 1: I like, is this okay? Are you gonna be all right? 796 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:03,760 Speaker 2: Is this? And and I'm really and I'm really strong 797 00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:08,120 Speaker 2: as as a discussing, I'm very strong. I can handle those. 798 00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:11,719 Speaker 2: And so are all of you. Stuck for all of 799 00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:18,360 Speaker 2: you science, This is what it takes to know and 800 00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:19,640 Speaker 2: fully understand science. 801 00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,440 Speaker 1: This is sometimes you got a way through the p 802 00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:26,560 Speaker 1: and the very horny macaques to really get to the science. 803 00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,040 Speaker 1: And you can put that on a piece of wood 804 00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,839 Speaker 1: in a lot of different fontsh A. 805 00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:34,439 Speaker 2: Very long one. 806 00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like that one shorter got a way 807 00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,560 Speaker 1: through keey and horny macaque to get to the science. 808 00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:42,160 Speaker 1: That's not so bad. 809 00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:43,880 Speaker 2: That's not even a paragraph that. 810 00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it'll fit. It'll fit on like a normal 811 00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,359 Speaker 1: sized board. I think if and you use a lot 812 00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,759 Speaker 1: of curly fonts and it'll be good. And guys, thank 813 00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,399 Speaker 1: you so much for during I mean to day. If 814 00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:01,240 Speaker 1: you want to have a guess or the Creature Feature 815 00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,920 Speaker 1: Special super special game be guess Who's squawking? You can 816 00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,239 Speaker 1: write to me at Creature Feature Pod at gmail dot com. 817 00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,279 Speaker 1: If you have any questions I you can also write 818 00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,840 Speaker 1: to me. I occasionally do listener questions about animals and 819 00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:19,440 Speaker 1: evolutionary biology. If you've got pictures of your pets, send 820 00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,680 Speaker 1: those right to me. Right in there. Get those in there. 821 00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,080 Speaker 1: And if you leave a rating or review, that tangibly 822 00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,480 Speaker 1: helps me and the podcast, and I appreciate and I 823 00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,040 Speaker 1: read all of them. And thank you so much to 824 00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:35,799 Speaker 1: the Space Cossacks for their super awesome song. XO Lumina. 825 00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:39,759 Speaker 1: Creature features a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts like 826 00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:43,040 Speaker 1: the one you just heard, visit the iHeartRadio app Apple Podcasts, 827 00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:43,759 Speaker 1: or Hey guess what? 828 00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:45,719 Speaker 2: Maybe listen to your favorite. 829 00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,319 Speaker 1: Shows not your mother. I can't tell you what to do, 830 00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:52,080 Speaker 1: but please don't flip the bins over, put the garbage 831 00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,040 Speaker 1: in the bins so the cockatoos can be the one 832 00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,000 Speaker 1: and make a huge mess of things because honestly, they 833 00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:01,520 Speaker 1: deserve it. They deserve everything they want, those little dinosaurs. 834 00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:03,400 Speaker 1: See you next Wednesday 835 00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:06,360 Speaker 2: By H.