1 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: On this episode of newts World. The news outlet Just 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: the News broke a story on Wednesday about an IRS 3 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: special agent who was seeking whistleblower protection to disclose information 4 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: about what the agent alleges is mishandling of an investigation 5 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: into President Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden. According to a 6 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: letter sent to members of Congress, Mark Lyttel, the attorney 7 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: for the IRS whistleblower, wrote to lawmakers Wednesday that his 8 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:33,480 Speaker 1: client has information about a quote failure to mitigate clear 9 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: conflicts of interest in the ultimate disposition of a criminal 10 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: investigation related to Hunter Biden's taxes. There is so much 11 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: to this story that is still coming out. I'm really 12 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: pleased to be joined by the editor in chief of 13 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: Just the News who is reporting the breaking news on 14 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: the story, John Sullivan. He is an award winning investigative journalist, author, 15 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: and digital media entrepreneur who serves as chief executive officer 16 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: and editor in chief of Just the News. Before founding 17 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: Just the News, Solomon played key reporting and executive roles 18 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: at some of America's most important journalism institutions, such as 19 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 1: The Associated Press, The Washington Post, The Washington Times, Newsweek, 20 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:29,199 Speaker 1: the Daily Beast and the Hill. John, Welcome and thank 21 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: you for joining me on newts World. 22 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 2: Great to be with you. 23 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: I should tell our folks who were capturing this podcast 24 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 1: in between interviews, because he's all over the place. Everybody's 25 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: interested in what he's got. It's a big moment in 26 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 1: the culmination of years of investing and building a network 27 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: with whistleblowers and advisors and getting at the heart of things. 28 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: So in this case, which is going to be huge, 29 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: can you start with what the IRS is actually investigating 30 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: Hunter Biden? For? 31 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 2: Yes, the timetable is really important to people. 32 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 3: So in late twenty eighteen, the FBI opened up a 33 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 3: criminal investtigation of Hunter Biden. In December twenty nineteen, a 34 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 3: year later, they got the famous laptop. They authenticated that 35 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 3: laptop very quickly, even though we were told during the 36 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 3: twenty twenty election it was Russian disinformation. The FBI know 37 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 3: that wasn't the case. In December twenty twenty, two, years 38 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 3: into the investigation, Hunter Biden acknowledged that he was under 39 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 3: criminal investigation for tax offenses, and in twenty twenty two 40 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 3: he paid two million dollars in back taxes in an 41 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 3: effort to try to get right on this and for 42 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 3: four now four plus years, the American people have been wondering, 43 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 3: why hasn't there been accountability, Why hasn't there been a 44 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 3: charge or decision made on whether Hunter Biden broke any crimes? 45 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 3: And yesterday we got that answer. The lead IRS agent 46 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 3: in the case, he leads a task force that includes 47 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 3: the FBI, the Justice Department, and the IRS. He went 48 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 3: public to Congress. He had previously gone secretly to the 49 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 3: Justice Department Inspector General, and he divulged that there was 50 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 3: both preferential treatment these are exact words of his lawyer, 51 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,679 Speaker 3: and political interference inappropriate placedical affairans in the case of 52 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 3: Hunter Biden, and specifically, what he means is that two 53 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 3: political appointees of Joe Biden at the Justice Department refused 54 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 3: to bring the charges that the career agents and the 55 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 3: career tax lawyers believed should be brought against them in 56 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 3: these tax matters. And he stayed quiet for a while. 57 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 3: He was trying to work through the system to try 58 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 3: to get the system to fix itself and do this 59 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 3: when he saw Attorney General Merrick Garland get on television 60 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 3: and a televised congressional hearing and tell Senator Chuck Grassley, 61 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 3: there is no political affairans The US attorney leading this case, 62 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 3: the one in Delaware, guy named Weiss, has full authority 63 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 3: to bring charges anywhere he wants, and there is no 64 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 3: political afferance from anyone who is a political appoint to 65 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 3: the Justice Department. And the whistleblower said that's not true. 66 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 3: I can prove it's not true, and he has a result, 67 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 3: went to Congress to alert Congress that there has been 68 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 3: this tampering. While that's been going on, the Justice Department 69 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 3: Inspector General has been corroborating the IRS agent's allegations. He 70 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 3: has documents, he's got contemporaneous records, and there's a full 71 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 3: scale investigation inside the Justice Department in addition to this 72 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 3: new notification to Congress. 73 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: Ye stop you this for a second on this question 74 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: about the Attorney General, because it sounds like either he 75 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: was totally uninformed or he just plaane lide. 76 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a question we don't know the answer to. 77 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 3: It's entirely possible that this dispute between the agents and 78 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 3: the US attorneys and these other offices occurred below him. 79 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 3: My sense of Judge Garland, and he's a careful person, 80 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 3: so I don't think he'd be hanging too far out 81 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 3: on a limb. But it's always possible that he did 82 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 3: know and was trying to be cute. We don't know 83 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 3: the answer to that yet, we do know that someone 84 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 3: of great stature. This IRS agent has been one of 85 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 3: the IRS's most successful criminal investigative agents. He's a supervisor, 86 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 3: but he helped bring some of the major Swiss bank cases 87 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 3: that change tax law in America in the last decade. 88 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 3: He flies all over the world as the US representative 89 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 3: to other governments who help US prosecute tax fraud and 90 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 3: other terrible, heinous crime. He's very well respected, very well decorated, 91 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 3: and when he brings concerns of this magnitude, they're going 92 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 3: to get a serious attention. 93 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: He's almost perfect for looking at Hunter because so much 94 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 1: of Hunter's money came from overseas. 95 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 2: That's right, That's why he probably landed the job. 96 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 3: From my reporting, any case, he was the perfect pick, 97 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 3: and he brought a team with him. He supervises his 98 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 3: agents and he's the principal. So when the principal's meetings 99 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 3: occur as US attorneys meet with the senior FBI, he's 100 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 3: the IRS representative to those meetings, and he brings a 101 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 3: lot of heft. And this is a case where people 102 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 3: who've seen the evidence say, I can't understand why the 103 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 3: Justice Department hasn't acted. 104 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 2: I think we now have our first answer why. 105 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 1: In response to all this, the House Oversight Committee Chairman 106 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 1: James Comer actually, in a statement to just the News 107 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 1: Road quote, it's deeply concerning that the Biden administration may 108 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: be obstructing justice by blocking efforts to charge Hunter Biden 109 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 1: for tax violations. The House Committee on Oversight and Accountability 110 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: has been following the Biden's tangled web of complex corporate 111 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: and financial records. It's clear from our investigation that Hunter 112 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: and other members of the Biden family engaged in deceptive, 113 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: shady business schemes to avoid scrutiny as they made millions 114 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: from foreign adversaries like China. We've been wondering all along, 115 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 1: where the heck, the DOJ and the IRS have been. 116 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: Now it appears the Biden administration may have been working 117 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,799 Speaker 1: over time to prevent the Bidens from facing any consequences. 118 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: That's pretty strong stuff coming from the chairman of a committee. 119 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 1: John I noted that on Hannity you had made the 120 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 1: point that this guy doesn't just have eyewitness accounts. He 121 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: has emails, government memos, summary members, he has all the receipts, 122 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: chronicle what's going on. I mean, this is really a 123 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 1: treasure trove, almost an open book on how the process 124 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: of investigating the president's son was in fact politically blocked. 125 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 3: Yes, some of my reporting indicates that there are moments 126 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 3: where political appointees or assistant US attorneys tell the agents, 127 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 3: you can't investigate certain things. You can't ask about this 128 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 3: about Joe Biden, you can't interview this person. So they 129 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 3: had handcuffs early put on them for just the normal 130 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 3: tactics that other people would normally be able to investigate. 131 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 3: That's the preferential treatment concerns. And then when it comes 132 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 3: time to bring the charges, there is a declaration by 133 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 3: two political point is that they're just not going to 134 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 3: bring the charges that the career people believe should be brought. 135 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 3: And it's that combination that of course prompts him to 136 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 3: take action through the Inspector General now to Congress. But 137 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 3: he has a rich trove of documents. This includes emails 138 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 3: and the memos that he would send his supervisor at 139 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 3: IRS chronicling what these political appointees were doing to the case. 140 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 3: And so those are in the hands of the Inspector 141 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 3: General and it's expected that in the next couple of 142 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 3: weeks they will be turned over to Congress as well. 143 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: Your impression you've talked with him, My sense is that 144 00:07:57,800 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: he's actually not a political person. 145 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 3: So I've never talked to the whistleblower, just the lawyer, 146 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 3: Mark Lionel. But Mark Lionel is very that's a very 147 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 3: good point that the lawyer made. 148 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 2: This guy. 149 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 3: I didn't do a background check, and he's never made 150 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 3: a political donation, he does not have a social media presence, 151 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 3: he's never had a social media account, And as Mark 152 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 3: Lidel said, he's just a good old fashioned cop and 153 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 3: wants to do his job and doesn't want to see 154 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 3: the system corrupted by politics or interference, and that's what 155 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 3: drove him to come forward. But he's just not the 156 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 3: political time we've seen political people in law enforcement, people 157 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 3: like Pete Struck and Lisa Page showed their politics as 158 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 3: they pursued Donald Trump in the Russian collusion case. This guy, 159 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 3: from all the research we've done, doesn't appear to fit 160 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 3: that mole. It does appear that he just simply wants 161 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 3: the system to work the way the law says, and 162 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 3: not the way some political people are trying to hijack it. 163 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: According to this witness, the professional career investigators had actually 164 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: recommended bringing a tax dutment against Biden, and it was 165 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: the people of them, who are the political types, who 166 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 1: have said no, they don't want to do it, even 167 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: though that was the recommendation of the career investigators. 168 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 2: That is correct. 169 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 3: That is what the allegation is, and that's what the 170 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,719 Speaker 3: IG is trying to determine. How did that happen, Who 171 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 3: did it, why did they do it? And I think 172 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 3: there's two outcomes here right. One is the case could 173 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 3: have been blown up and doctor Biden's going to walk 174 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 3: because of this standoff. Another possibility is, given the bona 175 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 3: fides of this particular agent, who's reputation is extraordinary in 176 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 3: the agency, it might jar people to take a look 177 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 3: and say, you know what, this looks bad. Let's go 178 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 3: back with the career people's recommendation and get something done. 179 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 3: And we won't know how that plays out for a 180 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 3: few weeks, but I think those are the two most 181 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 3: likely outcomes from all the people that I've interviewed on this. 182 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 1: It seems to me that you were faced with the 183 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: reality that Hunter Biden, under normal circumstances by now would 184 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: not only himself be in trouble. But as I understand it, 185 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: the investigators were being told over and over again they 186 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: couldn't ask anything that would lead to Joe Biden. 187 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 3: There were restraints that were put on the investigators to 188 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 3: keep them from pursuing certain things that related to the 189 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 3: big Guy Joe Biden, as he's referred to in some 190 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 3: of the now famous emails that are out there. That 191 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 3: is another part of the allegation that's very concerning, and 192 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 3: again we'll have to wait till all the evidence comes 193 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 3: into public to find out. But this effort to protect 194 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 3: the big Guy, as we now use that terminology from 195 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:28,439 Speaker 3: under Biden's own words. 196 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 2: Extends beyond just this case. 197 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 3: The other big question that America's had right The first 198 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 3: question America's had is why hasn't something they'd done with 199 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 3: hunder Biden It spent four years the evidence of sitting 200 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 3: out and open. The second is why were the American 201 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 3: people deprived of having a debate about this information during 202 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 3: the twenty twenty election when they were giving Joe Biden 203 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 3: his official job interview, and we are learning on that 204 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:54,719 Speaker 3: front a secondary effort of political inference where I can 205 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 3: report with confidence now that Anthony Blincoln, the current Secretary 206 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 3: of State, directly behind a request to organize the letter 207 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 3: by the fifty one intelligence experts who falsely claimed during 208 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 3: the twenty twenty election that all the unter Biden stuff 209 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 3: was Russian this inituation, including the laptop, and that Americans 210 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:17,439 Speaker 3: shouldn't cover it. And it's that trigger that has big 211 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 3: tech sensor stories like the New York Post and the 212 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 3: great work brand and Devine did. It's that trigger that 213 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 3: Joe Biden himself uses in the debate with Donald Trump 214 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 3: and say it's all fake. That's what the intelligence people 215 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 3: are saying. We now know that that letter was orchestrated 216 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 3: by Joe Biden's campaign in the person of Anthony Blincoln, 217 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 3: who at the time he did it reached out to 218 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 3: a man who was on the short list to be 219 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 3: Joe Biden's CIA director, Mike Morrell, and Mike Morrell, a 220 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:48,559 Speaker 3: very respected intelligence officer in the United States government for 221 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,839 Speaker 3: a very long time, orchestrates it. Joe Biden then uses 222 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 3: it in the campaign, I think will make most people 223 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 3: turn to their stomach sick. After Joe Biden uses it, 224 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 3: the campaign calls Mike Morale and says thanks for giving 225 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 3: us that weapon in the debate. So what looked like 226 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 3: an organic intelligence warning turns out was a dirty check 227 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 3: by the Biden campaign. 228 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: The same Anthony Blincoln who you were describing, was, in fact, 229 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: we think paid at least a million dollars to run 230 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: the Penn Biden Center at the University of Pennsylvania, which 231 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: was being funded largely by the Chinese communists. 232 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 233 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 3: Well, certainly the university was, and there's a great question 234 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 3: how much of that university money went to the Pen Center. 235 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 3: I'm aware of Joe Biden getting nine hundred and eighty thousand. 236 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 3: I'll have to look and see about Anthony Lincoln, but 237 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 3: he was at the center, clearly an important player with 238 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 3: Joe Biden. And of course that's the place where Joe 239 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 3: Biden's classified documents get stay. So he is a central 240 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 3: figure in this. And I'll just bring out one other person, 241 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 3: Mike Morrell, who is the ringleader of this letter. He 242 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 3: showed up with some infamy during the Bengazi scandal. He 243 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 3: seemed to be in that line of people who were 244 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 3: trying to falsely suggests that there was a video behind 245 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 3: the attack on Benghazi, when of course it was a 246 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 3: terrorist attack from the beginning. So these players have been 247 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 3: in our sites before there have been questions about him, 248 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 3: and I think these new revelations, in fact, I know 249 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 3: for certain these new revelations have activated a full congressional investigation. 250 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 3: Congressman Jim Jordan has sent a letter as Chairman of 251 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 3: House Judiciary, along with I think the Chairman of the 252 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 3: Intelligence Committee, saying, Anthony Blincoln, you owe the American people 253 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 3: in Congress answers and here are our questions. So two 254 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 3: cabinet secretaries, now, Merrick Garland and Anthony Blincoln, are now 255 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 3: in the crosshairs a very serious public ethics issues. 256 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: People should remember that what really ended up getting Richard 257 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: Nixon was not the break in at the Watergate hotel, 258 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: that's right, but the obstruction of justice and the belief 259 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: that he had misused government agencies in order to stop 260 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 1: the investigation. 261 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 2: That's exactly right. 262 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: And I think that the attorneys in re Garland should 263 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 1: remember that the attorney general for Nixon actually ended up 264 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: going to jail. He did for having him involved in 265 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: destruction the He's the only attorney general American history to 266 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: go to jail, and it was for obstructing the investigation. 267 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 2: You're exactly right. 268 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 3: John Mitchell's name lives in infamy for the corruption of 269 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 3: the Justice Department that he allowed to have happened. I 270 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 3: don't want to do a Nancy Pelosi. Every one of 271 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 3: these figures need to be presumed in a is that 272 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 3: they are under the law. But the questions and their 273 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 3: conduct now raises are very serious, and it goes to 274 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 3: that bigger question. You and I have been blessed to 275 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 3: talk about this in the past, about the two tier 276 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 3: system of justice, the weaponization of law enforcement to settle 277 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 3: political scores and to go after political enemies Banana Republic staff, 278 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 3: and these two episodes seemed to any hands the concerns 279 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 3: that so many Americans have on both of those fronts. 280 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 3: And the good news is Congressman Jim Jordan, Congressman James Comer, 281 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 3: they are running very thorough back based investigations. They're working 282 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 3: like mob prosecutors, rolling up little people, going up higher, 283 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 3: getting the Americans the truth, getting the bank records, and 284 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 3: I think by Midsummer many of the false stories of 285 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 3: the twenty twenty campaign in earlier about Hunter bind and 286 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 3: Joe Biden will have been fully unwrapped. 287 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: The one other thing that came up is that the 288 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: US attorney who has been investigators, who was a Trump appointee, 289 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: hasked to be made into independent council because it gave 290 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: him special capabilities or a special council I guess it's 291 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: called now who was turned down, and that since he 292 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: remains only a local US attorney, he can't bring charges 293 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: in other jurisdictions. And at least there's some allegation that 294 00:15:56,120 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: he has twice asked Biden appointed US attorney to bring 295 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: some investigative charges and in both cases the Biden appointees 296 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: just turned him down, declined to do it. 297 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly what the IRS agent's account is to investigators. 298 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 3: It will eventually be to Congress. There is an interesting 299 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 3: decision that Mill Barr, the Attorney General for Donald Trump, made, 300 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 3: He appointed the US attorney in Delaware of this. Man Wise, 301 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 3: by the way, is a very respective prosecutor to be 302 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 3: the lead prosecutor on this. He was never elevated to 303 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 3: special console status like Jack Smith is now, or like 304 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 3: Robert Muller was before against Donald Trump, but when this 305 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 3: case was assigned, the government already knew that one of 306 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 3: the primary allegations. I know this because I've seen some 307 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 3: of the records. One of the primary legations that there 308 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 3: were tax crimes alleged by Hunter Biden. And as tax returns, 309 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 3: any prosecutor knows that the tax law is very specific. 310 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 3: You can only bring a tax charge in the city 311 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 3: where the person filed their taxes. So for most of 312 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 3: the time that Hunter Biden was in this period, he 313 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 3: lived in either Los Angeles or Washington. 314 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 2: D C. 315 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 3: So the Delaware prosecutor, just by the way the law works, 316 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,199 Speaker 3: was automatically hamstrung. You would not have been able to 317 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 3: bring these charges absent getting a fellow US attorney to 318 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 3: do the work for him. And I think that that 319 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,120 Speaker 3: in hindsight, people will look at that and say, how 320 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 3: did we make that mistake, or how did that mistake 321 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 3: get be made? Or maybe it wasn't a mistake, But 322 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 3: that is one of the fundamental questions of the problem 323 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 3: of having mister Weiss in charge. 324 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 2: Of this case. 325 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 3: At the end of the day, he didn't control his 326 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 3: destiny on the tax cases. And I think that's a 327 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 3: big part of the IRS agent's concern. 328 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 1: As a very very experienced investigative reporter, I appreciate your 329 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 1: caution about presumptions of innocence and guilt, and I agree 330 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 1: with you. Then certainly, in the legal justice system, you 331 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,199 Speaker 1: are innocent until proven guilty, the exact opposite of what 332 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi had said. The burden is on the state 333 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:57,959 Speaker 1: to convict you. The burden is not on you to 334 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 1: prove you're innocent. But you have to say, as a historian, 335 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: if I try to paint a picture where I have 336 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: money coming, you know, I think it was three and 337 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: a half million dollars from the widow of the mayor 338 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 1: of Moscow, money coming from Kazakhstan, money coming from Ukraine, 339 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: money coming from Romania, substantial money coming from China. Somewhere 340 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: in there. It all smells. Now, maybe I'm missing something, 341 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: And I realize you're cautious, John more than I am. 342 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: It's a little hard for me to look at put 343 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: arrows up and mark the globe with countries that gave 344 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: money to Hunter Biden and say, gosh, what actually connects 345 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: all these without a concluding that it's influenced Pedling Yes. 346 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 2: On that front. 347 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 3: I think in the court of public opinion, in the 348 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 3: court of public trusted, in the court of public ethics, 349 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 3: the Biden family already stands convicted of bad judgment for 350 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 3: likely unethical conduct. The most famous email that I on 351 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,880 Speaker 3: earthed a few years ago is an email right at 352 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 3: the moment the Chinese are approaching Hunter Biden about his 353 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 3: second deal. The first deal occurred after Hunter Biden jumped 354 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 3: on Air Force two one to Beijing with his dad. 355 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 3: His dad meets with his investment partner and lo and behold, 356 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 3: he gets to be an equity holder in a major 357 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,439 Speaker 3: Chinese firm and he gets a lot of money. The 358 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 3: second time they approach him, it's twenty fifteen and this 359 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 3: energy company called cefc is a Chinese energy company, comes 360 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 3: to him and they're about to offer him a three 361 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 3: card diamond as a gift. That's a pretty hefty gift 362 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 3: that we don't get those every day. And then eventually 363 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 3: they're going to get an interest free, forgivable loan. Alone 364 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 3: in the Biden family walks away with they take the cash, 365 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,679 Speaker 3: no obligation to buy the Chinese back. Now we know 366 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 3: from Chinese tactics that have been exposed in intelligence airings. 367 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 3: The Chinese give nothing away for free. They expect something, 368 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 3: and when this offer is coming into Hunter Biden, Hunter 369 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 3: Biden writes to one of his business associates, Hey, guys, 370 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 3: I'm fully aware they're not interested in my skills here, 371 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 3: They're interested in my last name. That email I think 372 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 3: will live an informy as the signature of what this 373 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 3: influences was. 374 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 2: Hunter Biden knew he was. 375 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 3: Training on his family name to get millions of dollars, 376 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 3: and as James Comer now has told us, the wealth 377 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 3: of those riches and the wealth that comes in from 378 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 3: them are distributed to at least nine family members if 379 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 3: the bank records are correct. In that vein history already 380 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 3: has a very harsh judgment I believe to be made 381 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 3: on the Biden family. 382 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: Now that you have the ways and means, Committee and 383 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: Oversight and judiciary all three looking at this, that their 384 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: beginnity at bank records, the begunity at real evidence, so 385 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: they will presently be able to follow the streams of 386 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: money in a way that has not been possible up 387 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 1: to allow it. 388 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 3: That's exactly right. Those are the big change of events. 389 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 2: You're right. 390 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 1: I find this whole thing to be so unimaginable. Now, granted, 391 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: he was apparently a crack addict at the time that 392 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: he committed a felony in signing up for a gun, 393 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: which in itself is a kind of mildly amazing story 394 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 1: given how his father talks about gun control. But in addition, 395 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 1: he apparently also was engaged in funding people who are 396 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 1: engaged in human trafficking, mostly by paying for the retail relationships. 397 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: I have this model from my childhood that you put 398 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 1: dots on the wall until you see whether it's a 399 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 1: rhinoceros or it's a giraffe or whatever. Well, almost every 400 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 1: couple of days there are a new set of dots, 401 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 1: and they're worse. It just keeps getting worse. I mean, 402 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: you've been on this longer than almost anybody in America. 403 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 3: I agree, and I think as the more dots appear 404 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 3: on the wall, the portrait shows that this was much 405 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 3: more not only an intentional it was very organized. It 406 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 3: was organized. Some people have used the word racketeering and 407 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 3: things like that. I don't know whether those are the 408 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 3: appropriate terms yet because don't think we have enough facts 409 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 3: and evidence. But it was very organized, it was very systemic. 410 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 3: One of Hunter Biden's business partners who went to prison 411 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 3: in the Indian tribal fraud case. He gave an alf 412 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 3: of David in one of the appellate motions, saying, listen, 413 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 3: I sat with Hunter Biden, I sat with a family. 414 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 3: Let me tell you what was going on. They were 415 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 3: selling access for millions. It was an influenced pedling scheme. 416 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 3: That's one of Hunter Biden's own business partners laying it 417 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 3: out for an appellate judge about what happened in an Affidavid. 418 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 3: It appears to be much more systemic, much more audacious, 419 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:36,360 Speaker 3: much more extensive. You know, it's Russia, It's Ukraine, it's China, 420 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 3: it's Kazakhstan. These are countries that anyone who has five 421 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,719 Speaker 3: minutes of geographic knowledge knows have a long history of 422 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 3: not only corruption but counterintelligence compromise. Their own countries focus 423 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 3: on compromising Americans through money, through sex, through the different 424 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 3: things we now know are alleged done by Hunter Biden. 425 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,439 Speaker 3: I think when Ron Johnson, at the end of the 426 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 3: twenty twenty election, alongside of Chuck Grassey, asked the question 427 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 3: in September twenty twenty, is Joe Biden to compromised to 428 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 3: be president. I think the dots that keep repairing on 429 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 3: that wall every day now raise the question he may 430 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 3: very well be compromising. And if he's not compromised, the 431 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 3: amount of money that his family got makes the American 432 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 3: people doubt every time Joe Biden makes a decision, whether 433 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 3: it was the Chinese money or his own political instincts 434 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 3: that's behind his decision. What more famous decision than the 435 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 3: satellite night in the ballue. We don't shoot down a balloon. 436 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 3: It does figure eights over our military installations. We don't 437 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 3: shoot it down. And whether it's just a bad judgment 438 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 3: by Joe Biden or something else, Americans are never going 439 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 3: to stop wondering. Was it that diamond that Hunter Biden got? 440 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 3: Was it that five million dollar loan? And that's why 441 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 3: in the psyche of America, Joe Biden is already a 442 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 3: compromised president. 443 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: How do you expect this to evolve? 444 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 3: Well, I think the congressional committees will continue to develop 445 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 3: significant evidence. They have a very important cooperating witness named 446 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 3: Eric Schwerwin, who is the man that kind of moved 447 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 3: between Joe Biden's finances personally doing his taxes and Hunter 448 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 3: Biden's finances. His cooperation with James Comer is an epic development, 449 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 3: and I think they have much more knowledge and certainty 450 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 3: than they had before. I think the second thing is 451 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 3: the impact of the IRS agents was the blowing revelations. 452 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 3: I think the signs I'm getting from inside the Justice 453 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 3: Department in the twenty four to forty eight hours since 454 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 3: the story broke is that this has spurred the Justice 455 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 3: Department to go back and renew the steps and maybe 456 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 3: consider bringing the charges that should have been brought. That 457 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 3: might be a good thing for America. Maybe the wist 458 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,360 Speaker 3: blower will have achieved his means, which is to have 459 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 3: justice be blind and not to be his special treatment. 460 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 3: Then I think the third part is there is still 461 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 3: a significant open question of how the greatest freest country 462 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 3: in America, whose first amendment is free speech, allowed so 463 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 3: many people to be censored. I was censored at the 464 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 3: Hill called the conspiracy theorists when every story I wrote 465 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 3: was right. Marinda Divine was censored, Rudy Giuliani was censored. 466 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 3: And the censorship did not just involve politics or individuals. 467 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 3: It involved public agencies like the FBI. It involved publicly 468 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 3: traded companies like Twitter and Facebook, It involved national news 469 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:21,160 Speaker 3: media organizations that suppressed the story, and all of those 470 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 3: actions are probably the greatest consequential hijacking of the twenty 471 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 3: twenty election. Everyone wants to talk about machines and all 472 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 3: the other things. At the end of the day, American 473 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 3: people got deprived of an honest job interview for Joe Biden. 474 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 3: They were told it wasn't true, and it was true. 475 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,199 Speaker 3: And I don't think there's been the reckoning yet. I 476 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 3: think that reckoning is going to begin to play out 477 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 3: over the next six months. You've got two attorney generals 478 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 3: bringing an epic federal lawsuit and they're winning every time 479 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 3: against big tech. And then you've got these committees now 480 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 3: getting closer and closer. When you get to Tony Blincoln 481 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,120 Speaker 3: being behind the fake letter, you're literally a heartbeat away 482 00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 3: from President Joe Biden. And the question that Jim Jordan 483 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 3: he asks in his letter is did you talk to 484 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 3: Joe Biden about this? That answer they have a profound 485 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 3: effect on American politics. 486 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 1: It's really remarkable. Well, listen, I urge everybody to really 487 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: go out of their way. Justinnews dot com is just 488 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,199 Speaker 1: a remarkable site. And I have to say that I 489 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 1: think you do an amazing job. John. You have built 490 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 1: a system. You have a network that is incomparably the 491 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 1: best network on investigations in the country today, and I 492 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 1: think you're approving it this week. And I have a 493 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,919 Speaker 1: hunch that be a lot more people watching and reading 494 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 1: just the news by next Monday than there were last Monday. 495 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 2: Well, thank you, sir. That means so much coming from you. 496 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. 497 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 1: Thank you to my guest, John Solomon. You can learn 498 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 1: more about the irs whistleblower in the case of Hunter 499 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: Biden on our show page at newsworld dot com. 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