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Speaker 1: course of the year, not to just ask Jokic to

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Speaker 1: solve all your problems. That's a lot to ask. And

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Speaker 1: this isn't your last chance either. Yokic is in the

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Speaker 1: heart of his prime. He's got multiple years left of

431
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Speaker 1: being the best player in the league. There are big

432
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Speaker 1: picture goals that you have to keep in mind as well.

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Speaker 1: And so yeah, like I I think that that'll always

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Speaker 1: be the way that Mike Malone confronts that problem in

435
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Speaker 1: the in the big moments, it'll be a lot of

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Speaker 1: the starters without Jokich when the time comes. But you

437
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Speaker 1: just you need, you need to be more cognizant of

438
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Speaker 1: the big picture goals within the within the scope of

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Speaker 1: the regular season. Next question, when are you going to

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Speaker 1: criticize JJ like you criticized Ham. This is this was

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Speaker 1: an inevitable question that was gonna come, and you're going

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Speaker 1: to see a lot of this sort of thing being

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Speaker 1: talked about on a lot of different networks and by

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Speaker 1: a lot of different media personalities over the course the

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Speaker 1: next week or two. All of these things are more

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Speaker 1: complicated than they look on the surface. So for instance,

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Speaker 1: forget about the coaches for a second, both JJ and Darvin.

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Speaker 1: The reason why I'm frustrated with the Lakers in this

449
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Speaker 1: two and six stretch is the extended multi week like

450
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 1: over two week stretch where they're just not interested in fighting,

451
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 1: like you desperate need a win for so many reasons,

452
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 1: and you go into Miami get kicked in the teeth

453
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,960
Speaker 1: and don't in the first quarter. You just stop playing

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Speaker 1: like straight up, stop playing the starters before the first

455
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 1: TV timeout, stopped playing like that. That is an issue, right,

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Speaker 1: So that's one issue. The fight of the team, the

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Speaker 1: basketball character of the team. That's what I was focused

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Speaker 1: on in yesterday's video. A reason why it is very

459
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Speaker 1: simple because the eighty two games is your practice for

460
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Speaker 1: the April May June reality of going after the trophy.

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Speaker 1: That is your opportunity to prepare to be a championship team.

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Speaker 1: And if you skip that process, you will not be

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Speaker 1: a champion. End of story. And I thought last year

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Speaker 1: under Darvin Ham that that funk that they were in

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Speaker 1: December had a lot more to do with them just

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Speaker 1: being frustrated with Darvin Ham. I was wrong. It's their

467
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Speaker 1: basketball character, as has been clearly displayed by them quitting

468
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Speaker 1: on JJ Reddick in early December, Like, come on, you know,

469
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Speaker 1: so that's why I'm off the Lakers. It's a basketball

470
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Speaker 1: character thing. But that's not the only reason the Lakers

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Speaker 1: are struggling. Austin Reeves was out the last two games.

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Speaker 1: He's the third best player. He's also like one of

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Speaker 1: only the only guys on that team that have natural

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Speaker 1: motor like that naturally play hard every game are Austin

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Speaker 1: Reeves who's injured, Jared Vanderbilt who's injured, and then like

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Speaker 1: maybe Gabe Vincent, maybe Jackson Hayes who's injured, and maybe

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Speaker 1: a guy like Max Christy, but like Delo, is not

478
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Speaker 1: a natural motor guy. Rue's not a natural motor guy.

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Speaker 1: Lebron's not a natural motor guy at this phase of

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Speaker 1: his career. He Lebron is a great motor when the

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Speaker 1: stakes are down, Like that's the thing is, like Lebron

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Speaker 1: is the most dependable big game player that I can

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Speaker 1: remember ever watching. Like, if it's an important game, Lebron's

484
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Speaker 1: gonna be there and he's gonna give you his best.

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Speaker 1: It's like a guarantee. But like in the regular season,

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Speaker 1: he's not a motor guy. Anthony Davis is not motor guy.

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Speaker 1: What motor motor is just like your habit, your natural

488
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Speaker 1: ability to just play hard regardless of what the circumstances are, right,

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Speaker 1: and so like, there's more complicated things going on. Austin's

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Speaker 1: hurt that sucks, Jared Vanderbilt's hurt that sucks. They're bigs.

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Speaker 1: The two bench bigs that they have on the roster

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Speaker 1: that aren't two way guys are Christian Wood and Jackson Hayes,

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Speaker 1: and they're both hurt. So there are other factors at play.

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Speaker 1: Anthony Davis is dealing with planter fashion issues in his

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Speaker 1: foot that could have something to do with why he's

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Speaker 1: not necessarily fighting as hard as he usually does. Lebron's

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Speaker 1: in a big funk. So like, there's other factors at play. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: everything is a hell of a lot more complicated than

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Speaker 1: what's just on the surface. So let's go back to

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Speaker 1: last year, and I said this at the time. Is

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Speaker 1: Darvin ham one hundred percent responsible for what happened with

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Speaker 1: the Lakers? Now? I have been abundantly clear about the

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Speaker 1: issues with the Lakers roster as it pertains to their

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Speaker 1: athleticism in their motor. I've said that for years now.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't change the fact that Darvin was also a

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Speaker 1: bad coach. Guys, Darvin was a bad coach. It was

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Speaker 1: the worst kept secret in the league. It was consensus

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Speaker 1: around the league. People I talked to that don't even

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Speaker 1: cover the Lakers that were just watching from afar were like,

510
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Speaker 1: he doesn't know what he's doing. The players have repeatedly

511
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Speaker 1: passive aggressively thrown Darvin under the bus for not knowing

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Speaker 1: what he's doing. There were many, like obvious things for

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Speaker 1: the fans on the outside, a complete lack of urgency.

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Speaker 1: Anytime anything bad happened, it was hands in the pockets.

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Speaker 1: It was a presser. Oh you know, it's a marathon,

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Speaker 1: not a sprint and it's like, okay, you're not holding

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Speaker 1: them accountable on a daily basis though he was not

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Speaker 1: an active coach. He was not on the sideline actively

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Speaker 1: coaching the game. He would just basically stand there and watch,

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Speaker 1: and then when they'd come back to the huddle, he

521
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Speaker 1: throws some platitude, some meaningless platitude to them in the huddle,

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Speaker 1: and then they'd go back out there. He was not

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Speaker 1: a schematically smart coach like that. Was a bad basketball coach,

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Speaker 1: Darvin Ham. I will be shocked if Darvin Ham gets

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Speaker 1: another head coaching job in the UD like I'll be

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Speaker 1: floored if he gets Ano their head coaching job in

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Speaker 1: the NBA. Darvin Ham was a bad coach. That is

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Speaker 1: separate from other issues that the Lakers have. JJ Reddick

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Speaker 1: has been coaching the team for a month and a

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Speaker 1: half and from what I can see with him, he's

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Speaker 1: been much more engaged on a daily basis. He's added

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Speaker 1: a lot more. They run more off ball action, like

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Speaker 1: little things like Darvin Ham did not have them running

534
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Speaker 1: exit screens and ball screens where you're doing stuff with

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Speaker 1: the off ball defenders to keep off ball defenders occupied

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Speaker 1: while you're running your action up until recently, the Lakers

537
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Speaker 1: were running a much higher percentage of organized offense per

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Speaker 1: game than they were running under Darvin Ham. There are

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Speaker 1: a lot of clear things that JJ was doing better

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Speaker 1: and rectifying. The players were openly talking about the game

541
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Speaker 1: plans and the attention to detail. So here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: Do I know that JJ's a good coach? Yet? No,

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Speaker 1: it's too early. He's only been doing it for a

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00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 1: month and a half. I watched Darvin Ham for two years.

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Speaker 1: He's a bad coach. So like, again, I understand on

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Speaker 1: the surface that it looks bad that the players quit

547
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: on Darvin. Darvin gets fired. Now the players quit on JJ,

548
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: and it looks like it's unfair to Darvin. I get that.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying that they have some quit in them, and

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Speaker 1: that's separate from the fact that Darvin Ham is a

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Speaker 1: bad coach. And so like, let's not get those two

552
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Speaker 1: things conflated. Here's the one troll I'm going to respond

553
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: to today, and then I promise I'll stop. Can you

554
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: actually start covering other teams? Now, the coverage of this

555
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: channel is fifty to sixty percent Lakers, and then good

556
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: teams only get a couple of minutes Also, Lakers fans

557
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: need to apologize to everyone they just quickly labeled Lakers

558
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 1: hater for seeing this reality two seasons ago. First of all,

559
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: no one's going to apologize to you because two seasons

560
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: ago the Lakers were in the Western Conference Finals, so

561
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 1: you were being a Lakers hater. And then secondly, this

562
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: is one of my biggest pet peeves. I do talk

563
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: about the Lakers a lot, you know why, they're my

564
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 1: favorite team and I watch a lot of their games,

565
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: you know, like I want to talk about them. They

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Speaker 1: also have a very large fan base, so it monetarily

567
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: makes sense for us to cover the Lakers. That said,

568
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Speaker 1: the idea that fifty to sixty percent of this channel

569
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: is Lakers coverage is just a flat out lie. Like

570
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: this week has been especially heavy in Lakers coverage because

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Speaker 1: there's been a lot going on with Lebron being bad,

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Speaker 1: which we covered on Tuesday, and then the complete meltdown

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Speaker 1: in Miami, which we covered on Thursday. So we did

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Speaker 1: in the first four days this week, we did like

575
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: about forty five minutes of Lakers content. You're right, that's

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Speaker 1: a lot. We did three hours of shows. We did

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Speaker 1: three hours of shows over those four days. So like

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Speaker 1: we spent two hours and fifteen minutes covering the rest

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Speaker 1: of the league, which is a lot. So in a

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Speaker 1: week where we were very heavy in Lakers, we were

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00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: like thirty percent Lakers, and the next week it'll be

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Speaker 1: substantially lower, just like the previous week it was substantially lower.

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Speaker 1: Like week, we spend four to five hours a week

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Speaker 1: covering the NBA, and that means three to four hours

585
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: a week covering a lot of other teams beyond the Lakers,

586
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: the Warriors, the Celtics, that the teams that we regularly hit.

587
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: I spent twenty minutes talking about the Atlanta Hawks yesterday, Like, So,

588
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: it's just one of those things where it's like, if

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00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: you what you will maybe think when you look at

590
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: the channel because of the way our thumbnails are, You're

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00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: gonna see a lot of Steph Curry, You're gonna see

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Speaker 1: a lot of Lebron James, You're gonna see a lot

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Speaker 1: of Lakers, You're gonna see a lot of these big brands,

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00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: right because that's just smart for marketing, for us to

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Speaker 1: get as much exposure for the channel as possible. Every

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Speaker 1: one of those episodes has me covering the rest of

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Speaker 1: the league. I work extremely hard to cover the rest

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Speaker 1: of the league, and it's just complete bullshit that people

599
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: look at the channel and they think it's just a

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Speaker 1: Lakers channel. It just could not be further from the truth,

601
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: and it could not be further from reality. All right,

602
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: no more trolls. We're moving on. Next question. There's been

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00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: a lot of conversation about the cliin in ratings, and

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00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: historically the NBA has always changed slash implemented rules to

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00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: keep the game entertaining. So my question is what rule

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00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: would you change, slash ad to increase the entertainment value

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Speaker 1: of the NBA. Thanks, love the show. So there's been

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Speaker 1: a lot of talk about the three point shooting. I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm less worried about that because I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: something that needs to be countered by the rules. I

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Speaker 1: think it's something that will be countered by defensive evolvement.

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Speaker 1: So like a revolution, I should say, so, the two

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Speaker 1: most valuable shots are uncontested room attempts and uncontested three

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Speaker 1: point shots. Right, so analytically it makes sense to guard

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Speaker 1: the three point line well. Teams will continue to emphasize

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Speaker 1: guarding the three point line, and within the next five

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00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: years defenses will get really good at guarding the three

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Speaker 1: point line, and that will add variety to basketball that

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Speaker 1: has been lacking over the course of the last couple years.

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Speaker 1: I'm not really worried about that one on a rule level.

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Speaker 1: Everything for me, in terms of like opportunity for the

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00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: game to be improved right now, stems around the flow

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Speaker 1: of the game as television product, which stems around officiating.

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00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: I don't like complaining about officiating on the team by

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00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: team basis. I don't like complaining about officiating on a

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00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: game by game basis. I think it's a loser mentality.

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00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: We've gone into that a lot on this show. However,

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Speaker 1: in the big picture of the NBA, there's still way

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Speaker 1: too much of like, Oh, Trey Young came around this

630
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: ball screen and a dude's like side to side with him,

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Speaker 1: and Trey just kind of jump bumps into him and

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00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: throws some bullshit up and gets sent to the foul line. Now,

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00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: this entertaining, up and down basketball game between the Bucks

634
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: and the Hawks is now turning into a free throw contest.

635
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: Like you, you don't want that as a fan of

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Speaker 1: the game. You don't want to watch team's parade to

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00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: the free throw line. I as a Laker fan. I've

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Speaker 1: watched Laker games before where I'm like, Okay, Ad just

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Speaker 1: fell over for the third time and Austin Reeves just

640
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: flopped in the mid range for the second time, and

641
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: the Lakers are shooting their tenth free throw of the quarter. Yeah,

642
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: the team is doing well as a result, but this

643
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: isn't fun to watch, right, Like, I get that, and

644
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: so like I am of the belief that the NBA

645
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: officiat side of things needs to focus on the flow

646
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: of the game and the spirit of these rules more

647
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: than the technicality of these rules. The more we focus

648
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: on the technicality, the more gamesmanship we'll see, the more

649
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: choppy stop and go play we'll see because of guys

650
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: parading to the line, the more subjectivity that we bring in,

651
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: the more trying to implement the spirit of the rule,

652
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: the more flow that will get to the game, and

653
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: the better the television product will be. So that's the

654
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: main thing that I think needs to be addressed over

655
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: the course of the next couple of years in terms

656
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,719
Speaker 1: of a rule change. Hey, Jason, I think the thing

657
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: that is making the Hawk's new lineup so good is

658
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: that they now have DeAndre Hunter and boy Bogdan Bogdanovitch

659
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: now cooking other teams bench units, giving Atlanta extra offense

660
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: from their bench, which is pretty reliable to count on.

661
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: What do you think? I talked about this yesterday too,

662
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: Like I even like the idea of being able to

663
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: bring in Bogdan to play with the starters minus one

664
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: of the guys, usually someone like Zachary Resachetu. I think

665
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: is the worst of the three wings at this point,

666
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: just because he's younger and he still has a lot

667
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: of development to do. Allthough, Zachary is really exciting. He's

668
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: got some pretty explosive like close out attacking shops, and

669
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Speaker 1: I kind of see him as being like a guy

670
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: that could become like a more of a like a

671
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: kind of similar to like what Michael Bridges did for

672
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: the Suns in the twenty twenty twenty twenty one area,

673
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: where it's like capitalizing on skip passes and like making

674
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: high level attacking moves in the mid range in the

675
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: short range that is like another like ceiling raising scoring

676
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Speaker 1: piece that he does. Like they're they're gonna have a

677
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: lot of upside there in the long run. But like

678
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: it's like Norman Powell with the Clippers. Right, they have

679
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: their main lineups that they're gonna go with. That's gonna

680
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: have James Harden, three athletes and i Vi Kazubas, Right,

681
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: But then they also have we can bring Norman Powell

682
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: into this mix, and now we have more firepower on

683
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: the floor, and we can we can score with teams. Right, Like,

684
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: don't overestimate or underestimate Norman Powell's contributions to the Clippers success. Right,

685
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: Bogdanovich is what that role is for this Hawks team.

686
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: He's the guy that brings a different type of more

687
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: aggressive scoring to compliment Trey Young's playmaking. And you have

688
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: versions of it where you can keep the two of

689
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: them together, or you have versions of it where you

690
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: can lean into defense in one of the guys. Another

691
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,479
Speaker 1: team like this is the Sacramento Kings before Demarto Rosen

692
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: entered the equation where it's like, Okay, this is a

693
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: game where we can play Malik Monk and Dearon Fox

694
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Speaker 1: together a lot. This is a game where we need

695
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: to play Dearon Fox and another athletic defender instead, right, Like,

696
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: that's the type of flexibility that comes from having those

697
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: different looks and from having a really high powered offensive

698
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 1: player on the bench. In the event that the Lakers

699
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 1: could ever make a trade where they keep D'Angelo Russell,

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00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:34,959
Speaker 1: That's the way I would look at that too. Oh,

701
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: this is a matchup where d'angela Russell can close and

702
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: he can be out there and his offensive ability is

703
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: an upside. Or oh no, this is a game where

704
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 1: D'Angel Russell needs to sit and we need to have

705
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Speaker 1: this better athlete on the floor because we need more

706
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: support athletically on the perimeter. And like, that's kind of

707
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: that approach, But like, again, I agree that that is

708
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: a vitally important part to being a productive basketball team

709
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: is having multiple guys that can take over the offense

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Speaker 1: for extended stretches of the game. Jason, I know you're

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00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: a Lakers fan, but I'm a Heat fan, and I'm

712
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 1: curious to know your thoughts on our season. A lot

713
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: of the specific Heat analysts who I follow all believe

714
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: that the window is closed. Jimmy's declined due to age

715
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: and BAM's offensive struggles have been a big cause for concern.

716
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Speaker 1: If the Heat stay at this playing level that they've

717
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 1: been at for the past three years, what would you

718
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 1: have them do this trade deadline slash offseason. Everyone talks

719
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: about trading Jimmy but is a contract as big as his.

720
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Speaker 1: Granted it's expiring for clearly declining player even valuable. Would

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Speaker 1: love to know your thoughts on the decision making for

722
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Speaker 1: the Heat front office. Keep up the great content. Huge

723
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: fan from Hong Kong, Thank you so much for supporting

724
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: the show. It means a lot to me. The offensive

725
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: struggles have been really bizarre. Jimmy Butler in the first

726
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: part of the year was having some really weird games

727
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: where he was like not even looking to score. Then

728
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Speaker 1: he came back from his injury and he's been gunning

729
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: and he's been a lot better, and he's like over

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Speaker 1: sixty percent from the field and over sixty percent from

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Speaker 1: three on over twenty two points per games since it

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00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: came back, like Jimmy's hoop it right bam, you know.

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Speaker 1: Ever since the Nuggets series, I was like, why can't

734
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: this dude make anything around the rim that isn't a dunk,

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Speaker 1: And like how many times he got like little five

736
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: foot push shots or easy kind of layup finishes around

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00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 1: the rim that he'd smoke in. How it hurt their

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00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 1: chances in that Denver Nugget series, and that just has

739
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: never ceased to be a problem that's extended into this year,

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Speaker 1: where he's just been like flat out atrocious finishing around

741
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: the rim on anything that's not a dunk. And then

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Speaker 1: there's also been like the oh, BAM's gonna take more

743
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: jump shots thing, which has caused him to be less

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00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 1: active in the middle of the floor and a little

745
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: bit more spotting up, which is kind of getting him

746
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Speaker 1: out of his original involvement in the offense in some ways.

747
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: And so it's just been kind of funky, but at

748
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: the same time, like you got to seriously ask yourself, like,

749
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Speaker 1: was this team ever a championship team even when Jimmy

750
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: and Bam are really good? And the answer is no.

751
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: Like going back to twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three,

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00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: when there were better versions of Jimmy and Bam, was

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00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: you know, Bam, they were still feisty, able to eliminate

754
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: limited teams. I used to call them the bouncer at

755
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: the Championship Club because it was like, if you were

756
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: not a real contender and you ran into Miami, you'd lose,

757
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 1: but inevitably Miami would lose to the team that would

758
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: win it all, or that was closer to winning it all,

759
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: that was more of a legitimate championship contender because they

760
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: didn't have the firepower. And so like, if there was

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00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: an opportunity to anchor Jimmy and Bam, it was getting

762
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: a guy like Dame last year or making a more

763
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: aggressive deal even the year before to try to anchor

764
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,399
Speaker 1: those guys when they were at a higher level. At

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00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 1: this point, though, Jimmy just kind of feels like a

766
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: wild card and Bam seems like he's hit a ceiling

767
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, and so like, at that point,

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00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: you have to look at your big picture, and your

769
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 1: big picture option is, like BAM's twenty seven years old.

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00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: I do think he'll get a little bit better as

771
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: time goes on. I do think he can shoot the

772
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,919
Speaker 1: ball a little bit better over the big picture, right,

773
00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: But Jimmy at this point is better served to bring

774
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: in other asset return now. One of the things that's

775
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 1: nice is Jimmy is currently rehabbing his trade value with

776
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: the way that he's been playing, So you could argue

777
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: that the best thing to do is to continue what

778
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: you've done since Jimmy came back, which is play through

779
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: him more and have him put up numbers and rehab

780
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: his value. Then you move him in February to a

781
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: team that's desperate and looks and wants to contend and

782
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: recoup some sort of asset return so that you can

783
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: then try to rebuild around Bam and maybe it's a

784
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: Kelllware Bam front court where you have shooting. Like kell

785
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: Aware's minutes have been really up and down, and I

786
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: haven't been super high on him yet, but he's young

787
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: and that takes a lot of time, right. But Like

788
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: at that point, you just kind of start to look

789
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: around and you're like, Okay, if Tyler Harrow's not a

790
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: real foundational piece for us, what can we get back

791
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 1: for him? Right? Like, what are the guys that we're

792
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: trying to build around in the long term? Like Pella Larson,

793
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: he seems like a foundational type of role player within

794
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: the Heat system, right, Like Haimihawks Junior. His role has

795
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: been a little bit different this year, but he's a

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00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: guy that you want to continue to kind of give

797
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: an opportunity to see what he can become in the

798
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: big picture, Right, Nikole Jovich, I don't really know that

799
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: there's much of a foundational type of player there. But

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00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: like you start to give all those guys more opportunity

801
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 1: and see what they're capable of, and you start to

802
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: kind of reconfigure from there. But like, unless you think

803
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: you can contend for a title with Jimmy at this point,

804
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: it's like it's kind of like anything else where. It's

805
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: like his best ability to help this team at this

806
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,280
Speaker 1: point as asset return, but like he needs to continue

807
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: to rehab his value, and the best way to do

808
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: that is continue to play around him. In the big picture,

809
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: I do think it'd be interesting to go in on

810
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 1: a big look. I think it'd be really interesting to

811
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Speaker 1: find a center that could play alongside Bam, because when

812
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: you have a really big, deep, monstrous defensive front line,

813
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 1: it's just such a high floor. It's like the Brook

814
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: Lopezianis and Tenakumbo thing. It's like anytime Brooke and Giannis

815
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: just like play really hard on defense, they're just in

816
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: every game because the two of those guys are just

817
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: so good together, right, And like, when you have that

818
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: type of size and in physically imposing frontline, it's just

819
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: such a strong foundation to build on everything else. Right

820
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: when you start to take chances on high level offensive

821
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 1: players in the draft and try to see if you

822
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: can't find a perimeter initiator that brings more juice to

823
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Speaker 1: the table than a guy like Tyler Harrow or Terry

824
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Speaker 1: Rozier Hi Jason. The Pistons have largely regained respectability this season,

825
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: I agree, and Caid Ivy and the Kid Ivy pairing

826
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 1: has been a huge positive given the influent initial questions

827
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: about their fit. However, the two common themes behind them

828
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Speaker 1: losing games is inconsistent front court scoring and a lack

829
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Speaker 1: of ball handling slash initiation outside of Kid. Getting a

830
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 1: backup point guard like Alfred Payton should address the latter issue,

831
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: but I do feel like in order to take the

832
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,240
Speaker 1: next step, Detroit needs to find a number one scoring

833
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: week as I think Cad is best served as an

834
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: overqualified second scoring option. Asar and Ron Holland don't project

835
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 1: to fit that mold, and I understand Trajan's view that

836
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: this year is very much an evaluation of the current roster.

837
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Speaker 1: But if you were the GM, would you consider trying

838
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: to acquire an established vet like a Randall or an

839
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 1: Ingram in a trade to accelerate this process or wait

840
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 1: to get that player via the draft understanding of scoring

841
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 1: forward is arguably the most coveted player archetype moment. That's

842
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: a good point, Like if you want to get in

843
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: the race for a guy like Randall or Ingram, I

844
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: don't think. I don't think Randall will gets traded, but

845
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: maybe he will will see but whether it even like

846
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: Jeremy Grant or like Zach Lavine, that kind of thing, like,

847
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 1: there is going to be some fights for some of

848
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: those guys and it could end up being expensive and

849
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: it could end up setting your team back. Here's the thing,

850
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,919
Speaker 1: don't be in a rush. I think Jade and Ivy

851
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: is a really natural compliment to Kate, and the main

852
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: reason why is he brings a different type of attack.

853
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: Kate is a size methodical working out of the middle

854
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: of the floor decision maker, meaning like getting into ball

855
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: screens and putting his defender in jail and kind of

856
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: just slowly operating in the middle of the floor till

857
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: he sees an opportunity to score, to make those kickoff passes.

858
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: He kind of has like a Luca Light type of

859
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: approach there. Jade and Ivy brings downhill burst. That is

860
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: a great compliment Jaden can score the basketball. He has

861
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: eight to twenty point games this year. He had seventeen

862
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: all year last year. His true shooting percentage jumps by

863
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,919
Speaker 1: about two percent every year. He's up to fifty six

864
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: percent you shooting now, which like for a young guard

865
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,439
Speaker 1: is really good, Like sixty percent is outstanding, and he's

866
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: already starting to encroach on that on a year by

867
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 1: year basis. So like my thing is like, yeah, you

868
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: are eventually going to want a third offensive player in

869
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: there somewhere that can create his own shot and can

870
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: create shots for others. But racing to get there at

871
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: the expensive asset return is silly. The idea here is

872
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: like a men, excuse me, Asar Thompson, You know Ron Holland,

873
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 1: these guys, they are going to be playing your support

874
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: roles alongside these guys, so they need to develop as

875
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: off ball scorers. Now, do I think Asar Thompson could

876
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: be a Michael Porter junior esque off ball scorer, Mikhale

877
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: Bridges esque off ball scorer? No? Do I think Ron

878
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,760
Speaker 1: Holland can be that? No? And so that's the really

879
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: the next approach. It's I don't necessarily think they need

880
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: to look for a guy that can be an offensive

881
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: engine the way that Ivy and Kid can be at

882
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,439
Speaker 1: stretches of the game. I think they need off ball

883
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: scoring essentially. Just imagine a much better version of Tobias Harris,

884
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: a guy that when you swing the ball to the

885
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: weak side on that skip pass, he's either knocking down

886
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: the three or he's getting chased off the line to

887
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: where he can make a play. We've seen a lot

888
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 1: of teams go this route. Like the number one overall

889
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 1: draft pick this year, Zachary Rissoche is a perfect example

890
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: of this. That is an off ball score who can

891
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: be a plus a defensive player for them. That's the

892
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: like off ball scoring complements on ball scoring so well.

893
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: On ball scoring with on ball scoring can be clunky,

894
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: So like that, that's where it's like, if you were

895
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: going to make that sort of deal, I would be

896
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: targeting someone like a Lori Markin in this summer where

897
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: it's like, what if we put Lori Markin in, Like

898
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 1: if you were going to try to include young players,

899
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:55,720
Speaker 1: that's the type of player you want to go after.

900
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: Someone that has a lot more good basketball in them,

901
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: that's earlier in their prime, that very wonderfully compliments your Stars.

902
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: That would be the type of player that I'd make

903
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: that type of deal for. But again, unless you feel

904
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:10,959
Speaker 1: like you can do it without giving up too much,

905
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: you're better off just being patient and doing it through

906
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: the draft, because again, it might be another two years.

907
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: But Jayden Ivy feels like a guy to me that's

908
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: gonna average twenty six points per game on sixty percent

909
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: for shooting at some point, and if he does, you're

910
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 1: in a much better position at that point, and Caide's

911
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: gonna keep improving and you're gonna be able to generate

912
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 1: a lot of really high quality off ball opportunities. You

913
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: need guys, you need guys who can be deadly in

914
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: those particular types of situations. But I wouldn't trade for

915
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: a brandon Ingram. I wouldn't trade for an older, injury

916
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: prone type of guy there. I would be going for

917
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: either a young player, someone along the lines of Lori Markinen,

918
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: or I'd be looking for that type of player in

919
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: the draft to try to anchor those guys as an

920
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: off ball score. Last question, Jason, I'm surprised to hear

921
00:44:56,080 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 1: how this was from the Cave Celtics video on Monday. Jason,

922
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: I'm surprised to hear how much you liked the shots

923
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: Tatum was getting when he was hunting Garland, particularly at

924
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: the end of the game. As a Cavs fan, I

925
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: was really happy when that was the Celtics late game

926
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: offensive process. What makes the Celtics so good is they

927
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: just have more high quality guys that can shooter attack

928
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: close outs. In most teams, Hunting Garland basically neutralized that

929
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: advantage and made their success come down to a low

930
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 1: efficient shot that almost no team wants their players taking

931
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: contested mid range shots. It's hard to watch a smaller

932
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: player consistently put into one on one situations over and over,

933
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,439
Speaker 1: and Tatum will convert on some of those possessions playing

934
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: that way as he did in this game. But I

935
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: will take that one hundred percent over ball movement and

936
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: spraying threes. He just could not keep up with the

937
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: math problem that presents a couple things. It's more complicated

938
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 1: than that. In order to get those spray in threes,

939
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: Tatum needs to bring two to the ball, and his

940
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: best way to bring two to the ball in that

941
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: situation is to punish Garland one on one and so

942
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 1: like It's one of those things where like Cleveland's defensive

943
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: approach in that situation was we don't want Boston to

944
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: get spray out easy catching shoot threes. By the way,

945
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 1: they still gave up a few. There is a play

946
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 1: where Tatum attacked guard Land with about five minutes left

947
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 1: on the right wing, beat him off the dribble, brought

948
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: in an extra defender, and made a kickoff passing Al

949
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: Horford at a wide up in corner three. But for

950
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: the most part, Cleveland was trying to stay home and

951
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 1: trying to force Tatum to score on Garland on an island.

952
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,280
Speaker 1: This is where we can get a little bit heavy

953
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: to playing the results. So for instance, Donovan Mitchell hit

954
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 1: a pull up three, two of them in the in

955
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: clutch time, a step back over Merrill and then or no,

956
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: not over maryl over howser, excuse me? And then he

957
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: hit that crossover on Drew Holliday where he kind of

958
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: got caught on the screen and he hit that like

959
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 1: pull up three at the top of the key. Donovan

960
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: Mitchell is shooting thirty seven point five percent on pull

961
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: up jump shots this year, so they both went in,

962
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: but there's a sixty two point five percent chance that

963
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: he misses either of those shots. I based on the

964
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: way Tatum was playing, those short range jump shots felt

965
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 1: like a high percentage shot to me, like a shot

966
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,280
Speaker 1: that he was going to hit sixty sixty five percent

967
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: of the time. And so again, just because Jason Tatum

968
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 1: missed an easy layup over Garland and Donovan Mitchell made

969
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: a tough, contested pull up three doesn't mean that Cleveland

970
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: got the better shots. That's the results in a late

971
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 1: game situation. Anything can happen. You could be running really

972
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: great process on both ends for both teams, but maybe

973
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: this guy sinks a prayer at the end of the

974
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 1: shot clock and this guy smokes a layup, and that's

975
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: the difference in the game. And I'm not saying that

976
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: Cleveland smoke made a prayer at the end of the

977
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: shocol like I'm talking about an imaginary situation. But you

978
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 1: get the point, like, at the end of the day,

979
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: you can have better process than your opponent and they

980
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 1: might just make shots. So like, you can't really over

981
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: index on the result and pay more attention to the process.

982
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,479
Speaker 1: The reality is the math advantage of the three point

983
00:47:56,520 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 1: shot only matters in the large sample. In the small sample,

984
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: it only matters if the shot goes in, and it's

985
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 1: a lower percentage shot than shots that are closer to

986
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: the basket. So, like I tweeted this during the game

987
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: while it was happening, but like I thought Boston was

988
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: gonna win that game because I thought Tatum's mid range

989
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: pull ups over Garland were higher percentage shots than anything

990
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: that Cleveland was getting, and they were. Donovan Mitchell just

991
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,720
Speaker 1: made two really tough pull up threes and Tatum missed

992
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: a couple of layups. On one play where Darius Garland

993
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 1: did a really good job rushing Tatum, driving into traffic,

994
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 1: over penetrating and missing, and then another where Tatum made

995
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: a great plane beat Garland and was right there, like

996
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: he just he he makes that lay up, it's a

997
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: different game, you know. And he drove by Garland and

998
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: once again got a wide open three for Alhalford in

999
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: the left corner. There was a double team that led

1000
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 1: to another wide open three for Alhalford in the right corner.

1001
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: So like, again, I don't, technically, I haven't. I'll pull

1002
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: it up real quick just because I'm curious, But technically,

1003
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 1: on a percentage basis, al Horford shot has a higher

1004
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 1: percentage chance of going in. I'm gonna pull it up

1005
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: just to just to see. But I bet you, I

1006
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: bet you he's over forty percent on Al Horford on

1007
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: uncontested catch and shoot jump shots, shooting forty seven point

1008
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 1: five percent twenty eight for fifty nine. Like, technically Boston

1009
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: got better shots, even on a point per shot basis

1010
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: down the stretch of that game. It's just again it

1011
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: went in shout out to Cleveland. That's why you play

1012
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 1: seven game series in the NBA, because we want to

1013
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: find out who the better teams are absence of some

1014
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 1: of the variants that can happen in basketball games. Right.

1015
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: So again, like that's why I'm i I was harping

1016
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: on that because there's a huge difference between I'm operating

1017
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,879
Speaker 1: in a ball screen and I'm taking like a rear

1018
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: view contested seventeen foot pull up jump shot off the dribble,

1019
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 1: which is a pretty low percentage and pretty low value

1020
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: shot versus Tatum six ' ten, big and strong versus

1021
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: Garland tiny guard fighting him down to like seven to

1022
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: eight feet from the rim and taking straight up and

1023
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: down short range jump shots that I think think he's

1024
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: gonna make fifty five to sixty percent of the time,

1025
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: which means if we have three big clutch possessions at

1026
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: the end of the game, I feel like there's a

1027
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: pretty good chance that I might score on two of them.

1028
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: Whereas if I'm James Harden, I'm taking step back threes. Yeah,

1029
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: you shot thirty eight percent on step back threes for

1030
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 1: a season, and that's worth a lot of points in

1031
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: a large sample, but like sixty two percent of the

1032
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,399
Speaker 1: time he's missing that shot, and a lot of times

1033
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 1: in the playoffs he'd go through extended stretches where he

1034
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: couldn't make them and it just didn't matter. So again,

1035
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:46,800
Speaker 1: like that that's kind of hopefully just a better breakdown

1036
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 1: for you guys of why I kind of believe in

1037
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 1: that process over over the course of the tail ends

1038
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:55,240
Speaker 1: of games, like large sample shot value, small sample field

1039
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: goal percentage, And like I had I had someone say,

1040
00:50:58,200 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: last thing and then we'll get out of here. I

1041
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: had someone say once like, well, that doesn't even factor

1042
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: in free throw shooting, so that doesn't work. You're right.

1043
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: There's a stat that Synergy uses that I really like.

1044
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: It's called score percentage, which just takes the percentage of

1045
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: possessions that you score, meaning like made field goal or

1046
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 1: gets to the line and make at least one free throw.

1047
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:21,720
Speaker 1: So like the score percentage is higher when the field

1048
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 1: goal percentage is higher, the points per possession is higher

1049
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: when the shot value is better. Right, and so again

1050
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: when we get into these like slow down situations at

1051
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: the end of games, I'm looking for the most valuable

1052
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 1: shot on the most likely shot on that possession to

1053
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: earn me points, not the most valuable shot that I

1054
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,879
Speaker 1: could get on that possession, If that makes sense. All right, guys,

1055
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:44,399
Speaker 1: It's all I have for today and for this week,

1056
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,879
Speaker 1: as always is severely sincerely appreciate you guys for rocking

1057
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 1: with me and supporting the show. We'll be back on

1058
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: Monday with another set of power rankings as we bounce

1059
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: all the way around the league, I'll see you guys

1060
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: then the volume. What's so, guys? As always, I appreciate

1061
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 1: you for listening to and support hoops tonight. It would

1062
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 1: actually be really helpful for us if you guys would

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Speaker 1: take a second and leave a rating and a review.

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Speaker 1: As always, I appreciate you guys supporting us, but if

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Speaker 1: you could take a minute to do that, I'd really

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Speaker 1: appreciate it.