Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to What Future. I'm your host, josh
Speaker 1: Wa Topolski, and we have got a barnstormer of an
Speaker 1: episode today, which I'm excited about.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: You may or may not know this, but my day
Speaker 1: job is the operation of a media brand called Sherwood Media,
Speaker 1: which is interested in and thinking about how money moves,
Speaker 1: how the markets function, what's going on in business and
Speaker 1: technology and the worlds of finance and geopolitics and all
Speaker 1: those fun things. And so I'm thinking all the time
Speaker 1: about money and about you know, where the markets are
Speaker 1: shifting and what it means culturally. And there's a great
Speaker 1: podcast that I've been listening to, and there are these
Speaker 1: two guys that do the podcast. It's called Trillionaire Mindset,
Speaker 1: and I think they're just fantastic and we want to
Speaker 1: have them on here to talk about business both large
Speaker 1: and small. And I should say this is the first
Speaker 1: time ever that What Future is having two guests at once,
Speaker 1: so it's going to be quite a handful. I don't
Speaker 1: want to waste any more time. Let's just get right
Speaker 1: into this conversation. I'm just gonna say it right now.
Speaker 1: This is not a financial advice. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you guys consider what you're doing financial advice. But I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, actually it is so everybody
Speaker 2: can take it to the bank and if they want
Speaker 2: to act you luck.
Speaker 1: So what Ben says is financial advice? Emil, what do
Speaker 1: you are you?
Speaker 2: Also?
Speaker 1: Yeah, doing financial advice?
Speaker 3: Uh yeah.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, for the record, we are joking. We absolutely really
Speaker 2: you don't want to get a fine? Yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: want be fined. We can't do that.
Speaker 1: You guys have a podcast called Trillionaire Mindset true or false?
Speaker 2: True?
Speaker 3: True?
Speaker 1: We needed a party. I don't know anything about Trillionaire Mindset.
Speaker 1: What would you tell me? How would you describe the
Speaker 1: podcast to me?
Speaker 2: I would say, I got to go to the bathroom here,
Speaker 2: let him answer it for you, and then defer to
Speaker 2: a meal.
Speaker 3: I'd say, you seem like a lonely guy who's uh,
Speaker 3: could maybe use friends, and.
Speaker 1: So you can't explain it. I got no, we can
Speaker 1: explain it.
Speaker 3: It's it's we're taking the piss out of all out
Speaker 3: of you know, the entire financial and economic system. So
Speaker 3: we're breaking down kind of any story surrounding that, and
Speaker 3: it includes like all kinds of financial, economic political stories,
Speaker 3: tons of current events, but we're joking about them and
Speaker 3: explaining them and making them fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're turning heavy stuff into lighthearted topics.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we want to make what otherwise is boring to
Speaker 2: younger people, well an audience of all. We want to
Speaker 2: make what's otherwise boring and uninteresting interesting and not boring.
Speaker 1: Right Emil, are you British?
Speaker 2: Out of curiosity?
Speaker 1: You froming anybody in your family from England? Now what
Speaker 1: you said take the piss which is an expression that
Speaker 1: I really only hear British people say, and I always
Speaker 1: it's a big red flag for me if there's any
Speaker 1: British people involved.
Speaker 3: Mindset is actually staunchly anti British. Yes, yeah, we are
Speaker 3: on record, so as it should be. I retracted my
Speaker 3: taking the piss out, and I would like to say
Speaker 3: we're making fun of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's more like it. That's an America, that's the
Speaker 1: American way to say it. That's good. I like it
Speaker 1: anti British stance. I don't have any personal grievance against
Speaker 1: the British. In fact, they've been very good to me historically.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, it just feels like I need
Speaker 1: to have a couple of like grudges to hold, and
Speaker 1: I think the British seemed like an easy target.
Speaker 2: Perhaps they're so easy to make fun of, right in
Speaker 2: the most loving way.
Speaker 3: Nothing against British people individually.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, well, I mean, I don't know, maybe something
Speaker 1: against them. Yeah, did you guys watch the coronation? That's
Speaker 1: a big that's a big news event.
Speaker 3: That's a huge We tried to get in and they
Speaker 3: denied our visas.
Speaker 1: You need a visa to go to the coronator.
Speaker 3: I guess so I think they might have I think
Speaker 3: they might watch our show.
Speaker 1: Wait a second, did you actually try to go to
Speaker 1: England for the for no King Charles's coronation?
Speaker 3: We have a running joke that we're always at important
Speaker 3: events that we're actually not at.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I say, I say, I actually watched the I
Speaker 1: watch you guys on YouTube. You have a great desk.
Speaker 1: Where do you get a desk like that? So he
Speaker 1: make it for you? Did you purchase it? Is that
Speaker 1: something that like I want to know about the How
Speaker 1: did you get the desk?
Speaker 2: Yeah? This guy, I don't know if we've been told
Speaker 2: all sorts of stuff about what not to talk. It's fine.
Speaker 2: Some guy builds those sets. That's it, he's I don't remember.
Speaker 1: Well you told you're not supposed to talk about that.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: They like to keep the guy because he's built a
Speaker 2: few sets for the network, and they kind of like
Speaker 2: to keep him their own little secret, which is kind
Speaker 2: of fun.
Speaker 1: When you say the network, what do you mean are
Speaker 1: our network that we're under? You're okay, yeah, no, right, okay,
Speaker 1: because it does remind me of a kind of like
Speaker 1: late night kind of desk. It's but it's for.
Speaker 2: Two yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, that is the vibe we
Speaker 2: were going for.
Speaker 1: Have you ever had a third person at the desk?
Speaker 2: You've had two other people at the desk? Oh? Really?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that makes sense because you've got quadrants. But
Speaker 1: if you've got a third, I guess you. Guys said
Speaker 1: on one side, is that how you arrangement?
Speaker 3: We stick them right in the middle, Right in the middle,
Speaker 3: we say, head on, Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, for really, you put the person in the middle.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. That's a crazy arrangement. So you make that
Speaker 1: person have to look back and forth between the two
Speaker 1: of you, and that's very strange.
Speaker 3: No free rides at trillion our mindset.
Speaker 1: So so trillionaire mindset is, but there's obviously a through line.
Speaker 1: You talk about all sorts of stuff like you talk
Speaker 1: about current events and politics. In fact, I was just
Speaker 1: listening to you guys. We're talking about Biden and his
Speaker 1: re election campaign, and I think this is your most
Speaker 1: recent episodes from a few days ago. You were talking
Speaker 1: about the Republicans using AI to make an ad, so
Speaker 1: very political. Yeah, and you guys are both hardcore right wingers.
Speaker 2: Would you say, yeah, what's the word crypto fascist?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: We described oah yeah, right, okay, good neo conservatives.
Speaker 1: But there's a through line, Like there's a money through line, right,
Speaker 1: Like I mean you guys are like interested in money
Speaker 1: and in the markets, and I mean there's some investing
Speaker 1: stuff'll y'all talk about. It's like you talk about hedge
Speaker 1: fund guys like they're you know, household names. So yeah,
Speaker 1: how do you end up doing a podcast which is
Speaker 1: very funny and obviously for entertainment purposes, but it's also
Speaker 1: like quite seriously about like stuff that is very nerdy,
Speaker 1: like market stuff.
Speaker 2: Right, this has been speaking Hello. I I am a
Speaker 2: trader and I've been a trader for I don't know
Speaker 2: fifteen years in a professional trader only professional for the
Speaker 2: last few I got licensed a year ago, but before that,
Speaker 2: I was trading for myself for since like twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1: So you have a job at a brokerage. Is that
Speaker 1: at a trading firm?
Speaker 2: Yeah, at a proper okay, And yeah, I'd always been
Speaker 2: interested in it since I was a kid, and I
Speaker 2: made a lot of money doing it in my late
Speaker 2: twenties and then I no need to brag, but then
Speaker 2: I lost a lot of money too, oh okay to
Speaker 2: taxes into a couple bad investments. But I've always like it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I've always I've always had an interest in the stuff.
Speaker 2: And then when the game stop debacle happened. Noel Miller,
Speaker 2: who's one of the two guys who runs TMG Studios,
Speaker 2: we were talking about it and he was asking me
Speaker 2: to parse all of the information that was coming out
Speaker 2: daily about the GameStop thing, and I was breaking it
Speaker 2: down for him and making him laugh, and at one
Speaker 2: point he said, you know, you should do a finance podcast,
Speaker 2: and I said, yeah, I'd love to. I've always wanted
Speaker 2: to get into radio, but that's kind of a dead
Speaker 2: dream at this point. And he said, well, let me
Speaker 2: talk to Cody the other guy who runs TMG, because
Speaker 2: we're thinking about expanding and turning our flagship podcast into
Speaker 2: a network, which is what they did with us being
Speaker 2: the first foray into that. And he said, you know,
Speaker 2: who would you want to be your partner? And I
Speaker 2: thought of this young man right here, because we'd we're friends,
Speaker 2: and we'd he's a he's a comedian and he's very funny.
Speaker 2: And we were working on this other thing at the time,
Speaker 2: doing these voiceovers for this fledgling, small little Instagram cartoon
Speaker 2: that never went anywhere, but it was really fun.
Speaker 1: Find that on Instagram.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was called Office Fire. I think it's under
Speaker 2: Office Fire show. And we both it was like a
Speaker 2: Beavis you're doing voices, yeah, voice We were writing it hand,
Speaker 2: doing voices.
Speaker 3: It was one of the strangest times because it was
Speaker 3: peak pandemic, peak lockdown, and they said you can't, you
Speaker 3: can't come into the studio. We don't have a studio.
Speaker 3: We're allowed to have you in. So they sent us
Speaker 3: mikes and we and it was so hot it was
Speaker 3: that summer, that first summer, and so we had to
Speaker 3: turn off the AC because of the sound, and we
Speaker 3: had to put blankets over ourselves. So the sound would
Speaker 3: sound and it was just we were just sweating and
Speaker 3: Ben department recording this animated show.
Speaker 1: I know I got you off track from the background here,
Speaker 1: But but was that fun or was that like a nightmare?
Speaker 2: Because I think it could go either way. It was.
Speaker 2: It was a good time.
Speaker 3: It was incredibly fun. I wasn't leaving the house at
Speaker 3: that point.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: We would record, and then we would also just have
Speaker 3: these long conversations because I hadn't talked to anyone in weeks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I would be telling him about certain trades
Speaker 2: that I had made that day or things that had
Speaker 2: happened in the news that like, hey, here's someone to
Speaker 2: talk to about it. And he'd ask me questions because
Speaker 2: he didn't fully understand. He'd at this point had known
Speaker 2: very little about the markets and stuff.
Speaker 1: And you weren't you weren't playing the market, you were.
Speaker 2: Not in the game.
Speaker 3: I'm not a market playboy.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 2: Interesting, And I'd kind of break it down from him,
Speaker 2: and he found it entertaining, but would also make little
Speaker 2: jokes and make me crack up. So when Noel asked
Speaker 2: me who I would want to do it with, I
Speaker 2: knew exactly who the right person would be. And then
Speaker 2: we months later recorded a pilot episode and it went
Speaker 2: really well, and then we were off to the races.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was mit you said, like peak pandemic.
Speaker 1: You said twenty twenty or later.
Speaker 2: Well, we ended up launching the first episode in October
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, I think over twenty twenty one, just
Speaker 2: right around my birthday. It's a very special time.
Speaker 3: That was your birthday present from us.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. That really hit the spot. So then
Speaker 1: you're doing this stuff all day. They're like actually engaged
Speaker 1: in the art and the craft of tradeing. You were
Speaker 1: playing the market very poorly. Yes, okay, okay, that's I'm
Speaker 1: sure your employer loves to hear that. I'm sure they're like,
Speaker 1: we love what our guys are, Like, I suck at this.
Speaker 2: They do not give a rats ask because they're collect
Speaker 2: in their desk fees and whatnot, and they take ten
Speaker 2: percent of my profits. So even if I'm unprofitable, they're
Speaker 2: still making money off of like commissions and whatnot.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, So it's a it's like a boiler room
Speaker 1: kind of set up there, right, Is that in my mind?
Speaker 2: Not quite? But the way that it works is you
Speaker 2: give them a little bit of money as a deposit,
Speaker 2: as a security deposit, and then they give you like
Speaker 2: twenty x leverage, oh to trade with.
Speaker 1: This sounds a little bit like MLM. It's not no
Speaker 1: right at all? No, Okay, are you sure? Positives you
Speaker 1: might be you might be involved in an extremely complex scam.
Speaker 2: Well here's a possible. You've got fifteen minutes. I promise
Speaker 2: you I can change your life. Okay, so you can
Speaker 2: decide for yourself it's an MLM or not. But I
Speaker 2: guarantee you it's not. You're not gonna be.
Speaker 1: Thinking that I'm interested in getting in on the ground
Speaker 1: floor on something.
Speaker 2: Well, the thing is if you can then get three
Speaker 2: people under you to sign up for this program, yeah,
Speaker 2: then the money that they make. Okay, this bit has
Speaker 2: gone on for two now.
Speaker 1: This is great.
Speaker 2: I love this.
Speaker 1: I noticed you do a thing on the podcast. Actually,
Speaker 1: speaking of your bits, you're very like, uh, maybe this
Speaker 1: is because I guess your background is not and you're
Speaker 1: not a professional comedian like Emiala. Is right, you're a
Speaker 1: you're a professional pro comedian. Is that what I'm meant
Speaker 1: to understand?
Speaker 3: I mean, that's a loose sure, I make money off comedy.
Speaker 3: But uh yeah, I mean we're both we both met
Speaker 3: in the comedy world, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: Okay, So wait, so then you are a comedian that
Speaker 1: I don't know when.
Speaker 3: I think we both have similar weird backgrounds where we
Speaker 3: have like professional backgrounds, but we're in comedy. So I
Speaker 3: am like, weirdly a non practicing lawyer.
Speaker 1: So oh wow, you just really that's interesting, A non
Speaker 1: practicing lawyer. But you're you could be a lawyer if
Speaker 1: you wanted to be.
Speaker 3: I'm like licensed, passed the bar, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: But right, what kind of law I just don't. I mean,
Speaker 3: the only thing I do you don't want to say.
Speaker 3: I mean, the stuff I work for is is pro
Speaker 3: bonus stuff. I'll do legal aid stuff, okay, but I
Speaker 3: don't work in any real capacity.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: My focus is all on comedy and our show. And
Speaker 3: it wouldn't it wouldn't be right to right be fully
Speaker 3: representing people as I'm he.
Speaker 2: Doesn't want to spread himself too thing, right, I get it.
Speaker 1: You can always fall back on being a lawyer if
Speaker 1: you need to, but you don't do that right now.
Speaker 3: But so you know, But yeah, so we were introduced
Speaker 3: to each other through comedy, friends and stuff, and we
Speaker 3: both kind of had these weird other things outside of
Speaker 3: comedy that.
Speaker 1: Like normal, normal lives.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, that made it fun, and I think we
Speaker 3: each had an interesting perspective rather than just two guys
Speaker 3: who were like, let's start a pod and just start chatting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you want to distance yourself from other men who
Speaker 1: started a podcast, is what I'm hearing.
Speaker 3: We are standing on the shoulders of two guys with
Speaker 3: a microphone everywhere.
Speaker 1: Right, that's beautiful. That's beautiful. But how long have you know?
Speaker 1: Did you know each other before you started doing the podcast?
Speaker 3: We probably knew each other, Yeah, maybe foursh five years maybe.
Speaker 1: Were you like casual buddies or like you were hanging
Speaker 1: out all the time.
Speaker 3: No, so my very good friend, my best friend in
Speaker 3: the world, actually was he met Ben online when Ben
Speaker 3: was moving back to LA and what you guys got lunch?
Speaker 3: Got lunch and he talked to me after and was like,
Speaker 3: I met this guy. You guys would love each other
Speaker 3: and then.
Speaker 2: He both freaks.
Speaker 3: He said, yeah, he said, you guys both absolute freaking interesting,
Speaker 3: and he was right, Yeah, we hit it off. If
Speaker 3: we started hanging out all the time, climbing, going to
Speaker 3: the beach.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, you guys climb, you're like sporty types and.
Speaker 2: Not anymore though he doesn't climb anymore. I don't climb anymore.
Speaker 1: But we both go to the same gym. Still, well,
Speaker 1: you can't risk your body now that you're worth so much.
Speaker 1: It's truly on our mindset taking off. You can't risk it.
Speaker 3: I stay climb a little bit. I'll go outside and stuff.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it is, it is a bit.
Speaker 1: Going outside is just that's not climbing.
Speaker 3: Though, climbing outside rather than the gym.
Speaker 1: Oh I see, I see. So I don't do any
Speaker 1: sports at all, so this is all news to me,
Speaker 1: like that there's could be an indoor outdoor consideration.
Speaker 3: But I was hurting my back a lot, so I
Speaker 3: switched over to you, you know, started playing more tennis,
Speaker 3: and then he hurt his knee and his elbow instead.
Speaker 3: We're working it out.
Speaker 1: Should you maybe not just don't do any sports at all?
Speaker 3: Hey, that's the whole question. In your thirties, should you
Speaker 3: just give it up?
Speaker 1: I guess so? Are you in your thirties? I don't
Speaker 1: know your ages. I don't want to be presumptuous.
Speaker 3: I'm in my thirties.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm middle thirty. It's a great time. Have you
Speaker 1: met a trillionaire? Have either of you met a trillionaire?
Speaker 1: Do you feel like you have ever encountered one in
Speaker 1: real life?
Speaker 3: No, but we have met billionaires.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Okay, who's the richest person you've ever met?
Speaker 2: I guess it would have to be the CEO of
Speaker 2: Robin Hood led Tenant when he came on her show
Speaker 2: the time, worth like a little over a billion dollars.
Speaker 1: I know Vlad his body of mine. Yeah, but he's
Speaker 1: done a body. But I got to work for him
Speaker 1: technically speaking.
Speaker 2: I encouraged him to quit.
Speaker 1: Encourage him to quit Robin Hood.
Speaker 2: I said, why don't you quit? Man? I still stand
Speaker 2: by it.
Speaker 1: I can't believe I have not watched this episode. I
Speaker 1: should have really bound up on it before I had.
Speaker 2: You guys know, it's an okay one. But I my
Speaker 2: logic that it's a pretty good sport. From what I
Speaker 2: could tell, he was a great sport.
Speaker 3: It was a very strange thing because they asked to
Speaker 3: come on, and we said at first, why, because you know,
Speaker 3: our whole thing is like making fun of this, like.
Speaker 1: The PR team was like, hey, or have you ever
Speaker 1: thought about having laid on the show?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we were obviously like we're down, but just
Speaker 3: we just want you to know what the show is
Speaker 3: show and they were like, no, no, we get it.
Speaker 3: We think we should still do it. So we did
Speaker 3: like a pre production meeting with them, and we were
Speaker 3: very upfront, like we're gonna make fun of him and
Speaker 3: we're gonna ask, you know, a question, tough questions, and
Speaker 3: then they were like, what if instead we did you know,
Speaker 3: you guys talked about how Robin Hood is now offering
Speaker 3: crypto and we were like.
Speaker 1: That's not you know, you can't blame them. I mean
Speaker 1: that's their job. They got to like do the promo stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, it's good.
Speaker 3: So we were very much like if you don't want
Speaker 3: to do it, don't do it, and uh they were
Speaker 3: like no, let's do it, and they he was against bored.
Speaker 3: They let us do. They let us do our thing
Speaker 3: and it was it was very fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I got him a custom hat that he put
Speaker 2: on it said oops, sorry about that because he was
Speaker 2: kind of in the middle of his unofficial apology tour
Speaker 2: for right.
Speaker 1: But I think he's kind of a podcast fan. It's
Speaker 1: possible he listens it's your podcast, because we've we've talked
Speaker 1: about it a few times that I think he's, uh,
Speaker 1: he's sort of into the art.
Speaker 2: Wait.
Speaker 3: But so when you said he's your boss.
Speaker 1: What does that he is my Well, technically how does that? Well,
Speaker 1: I'm the I'm the president editor in chiefs was something
Speaker 1: called Sherwood Media, which is a subsidiary brand of robin Hood,
Speaker 1: which is a new media company. And you guys didn't
Speaker 1: even google me. Didn't fucking if.
Speaker 2: I knew about that. I'm building along.
Speaker 1: You didn't even go check out. There's a great Axios
Speaker 1: article about it. You can read, Yeah, I'm building this
Speaker 1: new media thing that is adjacent to but no longer
Speaker 1: actually like a direct part of robin Hood. So so,
Speaker 1: you know, a couple levels up there's Vlad.
Speaker 2: I still stand by the suggestion that he quit. And
Speaker 2: part of it was so let me, let me explain.
Speaker 1: What was the motive? What what were you're thinking?
Speaker 2: I said, look, you you've gotten a lot of bad
Speaker 2: pr a lot of the monkeys what are they called
Speaker 2: the apes out there? Yeah, I hate your guts and
Speaker 2: the market the stock was at fifty two weeks all
Speaker 2: time lows. I said, if you were to step out
Speaker 2: of the out of the spotlight, out of the limelight,
Speaker 2: and just announce that you're stepping down, you would no
Speaker 2: longer have to deal with all this shit. Plus the
Speaker 2: market would probably like it, and I'm sure that the
Speaker 2: stock might rally tend to twenty percent, thus making you
Speaker 2: a little bit richer. So you right, you don't have to.
Speaker 1: Deal like you're doing a like a self blood sacrifice
Speaker 1: that also drives the price.
Speaker 2: Nobody's going to care about what you do.
Speaker 3: It's interesting, hardly a sacrifice. I mean, the guy is
Speaker 3: a billionaire. It's like that's yes.
Speaker 1: That is true, that is true. I think he legitimately
Speaker 1: likes the product a lot. Like my impression of interacting
Speaker 1: with him and seeing him interact with other people is
Speaker 1: like he's legitimately excited about like the concept of Robin.
Speaker 1: I think it's like, I don't know. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think about this all the time. Like, if you're very rich,
Speaker 1: let me get you this way. If you were a billionaire,
Speaker 1: would you, guys, as far as I know, are not right,
Speaker 1: fortunately ye would you engage in any part of society
Speaker 1: that you didn't absolutely can we.
Speaker 3: Talk about this all the time on shore. Oh really,
Speaker 3: because you know so many of these guys are getting
Speaker 3: into trouble, right, you have these guys. It's like, we're
Speaker 3: just talking about Carl Icon, who's what eighty six?
Speaker 1: Oh no, what did he do? Did I missed some news?
Speaker 2: Who is it?
Speaker 3: Henny Hindenburgh, the short sellar basically released a lot of
Speaker 3: information about Icon enterprises, and so they're trying to weather
Speaker 3: that storm. And we're just talking about Carl Icon, who's
Speaker 3: a billionaire and he's probably eighty two, and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: our minds were like, how do you not just go away?
Speaker 3: How do you not just quit? I'm done, I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna again.
Speaker 1: I don't have I'm not in the trillionaire mindset or
Speaker 1: even the billionaire mindset for that matter. But I can
Speaker 1: imagine a future state where I am in that mindset.
Speaker 1: And my feeling is I have like a lot of
Speaker 1: creative pursuits and things I'd like to do that have
Speaker 1: nothing to do with like working or generating more income.
Speaker 1: And if I knew, if I knew that, like, I
Speaker 1: can live off dividends and then some right, like, and
Speaker 1: so can my family for the rest of eternity essentially,
Speaker 1: you know, would I continue to go into an office,
Speaker 1: you know, on a zoom. In Vlave's defense, he runs
Speaker 1: the company and I think he really enjoys it and
Speaker 1: that's like his pursuit, and I think it's wonderful. But
Speaker 1: I'm saying, imagine you're a billionaire, You're an eighty two
Speaker 1: year old billionaire, and they're like, hey, there's a Zoom
Speaker 1: call today to talk about that thing. Like can you
Speaker 1: just imagine you have to open up your laptop or
Speaker 1: whatever your your I want to say, it's a think
Speaker 1: pad or something, and you got to you gotta get
Speaker 1: on to it. You gotta log into the zoom for
Speaker 1: a conference call about something. It's like real, you know,
Speaker 1: it's crazy, I mean very least delegate that all away
Speaker 1: from you, like delegate everything away. I think that's a perplexing.
Speaker 1: It's interesting that you guys talk about it, because I mean,
Speaker 1: in particular, I think about it with like Elon is
Speaker 1: a perfect avatar for this. It's like there was a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff going really well in his his like career,
Speaker 1: in his life and.
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean he completely torched his own reputation for.
Speaker 1: I was just talking about somebody spit on my tesla
Speaker 1: the other day?
Speaker 3: Is that real?
Speaker 1: And uh, well, okay, now, in fairness, the guy was
Speaker 1: wearing a full Jack Sparrow outfit, riding a bike in
Speaker 1: the opposite direction alongside my car, and as he drove by,
Speaker 1: he spit on it.
Speaker 2: Come on my model?
Speaker 1: Why? And I was like, that's definitely because it's a tesla,
Speaker 1: although maybe it's because he like, I know, there's like
Speaker 1: a Tortuga situation going on or whatever the island is called.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, he could have been something else,
Speaker 1: but no. A friend of mine was just telling me
Speaker 1: that in Brooklyn people are taking their tesla that goes
Speaker 1: off the car because people like fuck with yeah if
Speaker 1: they're you know, and it's like that didn't have to happen.
Speaker 1: There's no reason for that to have happened.
Speaker 3: It's funny because you know, there was a ton of
Speaker 3: valid criticisms of Elon way before he kind of took
Speaker 3: this hard turn, and we talked about a lot of those,
Speaker 3: but those were pretty i don't want to say fringe,
Speaker 3: but like specific and unless you were really digging into
Speaker 3: Elon's whole you know, business practices and views and all
Speaker 3: history yeah, history then you weren't really privy to it,
Speaker 3: and he was just kind of the guy who might
Speaker 3: save humanity or no.
Speaker 1: Right, he was like a weird avatar. You're like, oh wow,
Speaker 1: there's this like crazy genius doing all these things.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: No, the Tony Stark era was very good for him, like,
Speaker 1: and you didn't hear a lot from him. He wasn't
Speaker 1: really talking.
Speaker 3: Now it's strange because like normis are just they hate him.
Speaker 3: I mean I was at a yeah, I was at
Speaker 3: a super Bowl party and when he came on screen,
Speaker 3: they flashed him on screen and everyone booed. I was like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, yeah, okay, It's.
Speaker 1: Like it's like when he came out the Chappelle concert.
Speaker 3: Right right, right exactly.
Speaker 2: I forgot about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you forgot about it, you kind of there's so
Speaker 1: much it's almost it is Trump like in this just
Speaker 1: gonna say that. Yeah, yeah, because like remember you remember
Speaker 1: like with Trump, it was like it wasn't like one
Speaker 1: thing a day or one thing a week. It would
Speaker 1: be like there'd be eight completely insane situations happening every day.
Speaker 1: They were new, you know, they were new. They were like,
Speaker 1: oh his pants fell off during here and that was
Speaker 1: like it at nine am, and then at like at
Speaker 1: eleven thirty he said, like the Kukos Klan is cool whatever,
Speaker 1: and like that went on for another twelve hours. Elon
Speaker 1: is kind of like that now where it's like, also's
Speaker 1: so many like the pedo guy thing, you don't even
Speaker 1: remember the pedo.
Speaker 3: Guy in a case to really beautiful, right, yeah, which
Speaker 3: he won, by.
Speaker 1: The way, he fucking beat He beat the chargers on
Speaker 1: the pedo guy case, which is I guess impressive. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like I just think, like, man, I mean, whether
Speaker 1: he's a brilliant person or really stupid or somewhere in between.
Speaker 1: I think probably somewhere in between. In between. I just
Speaker 1: feel like, don't just why tweet? Yeah, like why get
Speaker 1: on there? Like like you could do anything, I mean
Speaker 1: literally anything. You could go anywhere, be with anybody you want.
Speaker 2: I think you start to believe the fairy tales about yourself,
Speaker 2: especially when you become the richest man in the world.
Speaker 2: You then feel like, well, I have an moral obligation
Speaker 2: to truly save humanity, and there are many ways in
Speaker 2: which I could do that, and starting with free speech,
Speaker 2: which is under a tech and I've got to take
Speaker 2: over the very platform for free speech, the only one
Speaker 2: that there is. And and also just to speak on
Speaker 2: him and Carl Icon and all these people, I think
Speaker 2: that they just they probably lose touch with whatever it
Speaker 2: was that truly made them feel alive and now this
Speaker 2: business and rocking. Like Gordon Gecko, whatever his whole thing was,
Speaker 2: like greed, greed is good? Was this thing I've suffered
Speaker 2: a little bit of that. I'm a creative person myself,
Speaker 2: and the whole reason that I got into trading was
Speaker 2: to fund my creative ambitions. And I just kind of like.
Speaker 1: It's a classic tale and then you end up a soul,
Speaker 1: you end up tainted. Yeah, yeah, doing a podcast, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you end up with a podcast about investing, but it rocks.
Speaker 1: I do love it right well, I mean it's going
Speaker 1: well right like you guys, are you feel like it's
Speaker 1: things are growing like this? The podcast world is hard.
Speaker 1: I mean I say this as a person who's had
Speaker 1: multiple podcasts, and like, you know, here we are on
Speaker 1: one right now doing one. Do you feel like it's
Speaker 1: moving in the right direction, like people are responding to it.
Speaker 1: There's like an audience that you've you've built up.
Speaker 2: Yes, I would say the most interesting thing. And it's
Speaker 2: kind of like what we were expecting to get later
Speaker 2: on we got first, which is that we got people
Speaker 2: first who aren't interested in this subject matter. Right. The
Speaker 2: way it worked was TMG gave us the opportunity to
Speaker 2: tap into the audience that they had already built and
Speaker 2: cultivated for themselves just as a straight comedy podcast. So
Speaker 2: for all intents and purposes, these people should not have
Speaker 2: necessarily been interested in what we were selling, but they were.
Speaker 2: And the number one thing that people collectively would say is, Wow,
Speaker 2: I didn't give a shit about this stuff. You guys
Speaker 2: make it entertaining.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a magic trick that is really valuable.
Speaker 1: Like I think if you can make stuff that's really
Speaker 1: complex and seems impenetrable, like understandable, but also if you
Speaker 1: can make it funny or fun like, that's a huge
Speaker 1: that's a huge deal. And not that many people can
Speaker 1: do it, Like, I think it's a pretty rare talent.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, you're talking about you know, how we feel
Speaker 3: and you know the audience and all that stuff. We
Speaker 3: just did our first live show in New York and
Speaker 3: it was that was just huge. I mean, because we've
Speaker 3: been doing this thing. It's basically it's just like this,
Speaker 3: except you know, we're on our set and we're doing
Speaker 3: it to we're doing it to nobody basically, and right like.
Speaker 1: Well there's somebody there, right, there's somebody behind it.
Speaker 3: But you know, we're going, is this even funny? Are we?
Speaker 3: And then to do it in front of a crowd
Speaker 3: and then you know, they all hung out after and
Speaker 3: wanted to talk to us, and it was like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, this is so great. It's not just some
Speaker 3: guy behind a screen going like ha haha, or sometimes
Speaker 3: like heat you, I can't believe you said that or whatever.
Speaker 1: No, live sh it's the best. I mean, that's amazing,
Speaker 1: absolute best. Where did you guys do it? Bellhouse?
Speaker 3: We're actually going to the Bellhouse soon because.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of a lot of live shit.
Speaker 3: We did a caveat because we we we had no
Speaker 3: idea if we could even sell tickets or not.
Speaker 1: We just how big? How big is?
Speaker 3: It was a one hundred and fifty people that one.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, ok, it's pretty it was uh.
Speaker 3: We we put the link up and I remember I
Speaker 3: was about to get in the show, and so we
Speaker 3: threw the link up and then when I got out
Speaker 3: of the shower, Benet texted me and said they were
Speaker 3: all gone.
Speaker 2: So oh yeah, no doubt. I mean I would have.
Speaker 1: I would have definitely. I mean, if not that you
Speaker 1: would need to come and ask me for advice. But
Speaker 1: if you'd be like, hey, it's one hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: percent venue, I'd be like, you definitely can get more
Speaker 1: people than that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we just had. Yeah, so we're going
Speaker 3: to do the Bellhouse this summer, and.
Speaker 1: Uh, that's exciting. I got to come. I gotta come
Speaker 1: and check it out.
Speaker 2: We love that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I love live. I think live is great actually,
Speaker 1: I mean one of the things. I mean, at some
Speaker 1: point we'll probably do hopefully do some some roadshow with this.
Speaker 1: But like, because I used to DJ and playing bands
Speaker 1: and and there's it's pretty magical when you get like
Speaker 1: a room full of people just vibing, like no matter
Speaker 1: no matter what's going on, like if it's if it's
Speaker 1: a comedy thing or if it's music or whatever, it's
Speaker 1: like it's pretty magical. Like, and I think I love
Speaker 1: the fact that podcasts have kind of leapt in out
Speaker 1: of like you know this, yeah, into something that is
Speaker 1: really visceral. I feel like in some way, especially lately
Speaker 1: it's been it is a bit of a reaction to
Speaker 1: the pandemic, right, Like everybody wants to be in physical
Speaker 1: spaces with people now, right. I feel like not to
Speaker 1: say that's why people come out to see you, guys,
Speaker 1: they come out to see you because you're great. But
Speaker 1: I do think there's a there's an excitement around the
Speaker 1: live thing with podcasts. A new feels new to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to do it as much as possible.
Speaker 3: It's like, it's so fun and it just feels so
Speaker 3: nice to be in the room with the people who
Speaker 3: like just enjoy it so much. They seem to be
Speaker 3: just so excited to like be hanging out with us
Speaker 3: and watching us do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you record it and then you put it in?
Speaker 2: I ordered it.
Speaker 3: We haven't put it out, Oh okay, probably not gonna Yeah,
Speaker 3: we want them to kind of be I don't know.
Speaker 3: Sometimes people are like, we're going on tour and you
Speaker 3: can listen or watch to watch every single one we do, and.
Speaker 2: Us we say cancelable things, no, no, really do yeah
Speaker 2: horrible things really?
Speaker 1: Andrew give me an example, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, name a racial slur.
Speaker 1: Oh, Wow, Okay, I mean even that is could we cancel?
Speaker 1: I mean, do you actually feel like you cross a
Speaker 1: boundary and a live No?
Speaker 2: Not at all?
Speaker 1: Really yeah, and.
Speaker 3: It's very cool.
Speaker 1: Definitely not, although we have to go back and listen
Speaker 1: to be sure. No, I get it. I've I've been
Speaker 1: in conversations with people, I mean, even on this show,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, am I saying something right now? That's
Speaker 1: going to really sound wrong when I listen back to.
Speaker 1: Of course, we have the power of editing. Well.
Speaker 3: I think that's another thing. Even sometimes when you're saying
Speaker 3: the most benign things, you kind of find out later
Speaker 3: that some commenter is like, I can't believe you would
Speaker 3: say that, you're implying blah blah, and you're like, ill, no,
Speaker 3: I'm not.
Speaker 1: That's really Yeah, you've gotten a lot Have you gotten
Speaker 1: a lot of any feedback like that? People were like,
Speaker 1: you crossed the line? No, not a lot, and it's
Speaker 1: happened here and there. Yeah, And I think that's the
Speaker 1: weird thing.
Speaker 3: Sometimes we'll respond and we'll go like, oh, we did
Speaker 3: not mean that at all, Like I think you're missing
Speaker 3: and people like just back, They're like, oh, I don't
Speaker 3: you know I'm sorry, Like it's a very weird no.
Speaker 1: No, responding to critics is actually substantially impactful. I've found
Speaker 1: I actually many many years ago. Actually, do you guys
Speaker 1: know a journalist named Walt Mossberg. He is a technology journalist.
Speaker 1: He's been around forever. He's retired now. But I was
Speaker 1: like giving him shit on Twitter about something. This is
Speaker 1: many years ago, Like this is like a decade or
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago or something. And he called me on
Speaker 1: the phone. He did not tweet back at me. He
Speaker 1: did not email me. He called me, and I was like,
Speaker 1: holy shit, this is like an amazing power move. And
Speaker 1: I have since done it. I've adopted the practice like
Speaker 1: in a sphere where you could get their phone number
Speaker 1: and call them. It's an if you ever get an opportunity,
Speaker 1: I really recommend it. Where you somebody's like being a
Speaker 1: shithead to you or something, don't email them, don't tweet
Speaker 1: at them, call them on the phone and be like, hey,
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about the stuff you
Speaker 1: were saying. And I've done it a couple of times,
Speaker 1: and I gotta tell you, everybody's me. They're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I didn't mean it. The way it
Speaker 1: came out or whatever. It's a kind of a it's
Speaker 1: kind of special.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but people will be reasonable if you respond
Speaker 1: to him.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But so that's where I think the live element
Speaker 3: is much nicer, where I think it feels to people like, oh,
Speaker 3: we're all just here experiencing this. At the same time,
Speaker 3: it's not, I don't know. There's something about online recorded
Speaker 3: things where people watch them and they just kind of
Speaker 3: feel like, I don't know, they want to like pick
Speaker 3: it apart or interrogate things.
Speaker 1: And right, well, part of it is also context collapse, right,
Speaker 1: Like you get people will take us a bit of
Speaker 1: something out of context, out of not part of a conversation.
Speaker 1: You don't hear the rest of it, and you're like,
Speaker 1: there's just that clip that plays or whatever that somebody's sharing,
Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, well context matters, right.
Speaker 2: So Yeah, I've had that happen with TikTok, where we've
Speaker 2: taken clips from either our show or when we've been
Speaker 2: guests on TMG or something like that, where it then
Speaker 2: gets picked up on TikTok and someone's ripping me apart
Speaker 2: in the comments or ripping someone else and it's just like, God,
Speaker 2: you guys just fucking.
Speaker 1: I mean it's good though in a way, like I
Speaker 1: think it's a sign that you're doing something right if
Speaker 1: you've engendered an emotion as strong as like a hater. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if someone is like legitimately like this guy fucking sucks,
Speaker 1: I hate his guts, like that, you're doing something right,
Speaker 1: You're succeeding. Maybe this is just a gag that you do,
Speaker 1: but you analyze a bad joke that you've done, like
Speaker 1: a joke you did not execute on the show. Is
Speaker 1: this like a recurring thing for you that like you'll
Speaker 1: like kind of make a attempt at kind of bad
Speaker 1: joke or is that a bit in and of itself.
Speaker 1: Is this like a you're legitimately critiquing your own or
Speaker 1: trying to reframe your own bad joke or do you
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like it's a little bit of both.
Speaker 2: I feel like, a, yeah, it becomes a bit and
Speaker 2: it also if it if the joke doesn't land, well
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna drive it into the ground and agree
Speaker 2: with the unspoken word that that was terrible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you did h on the on the last episode,
Speaker 1: the one that I was just watching, uh something about
Speaker 1: Jenny Ellen saying that something's gonna come quicker. Oh you
Speaker 1: we thought or whatever, and and you're like, that's like
Speaker 1: what my wife said. Then you did. Like there was
Speaker 1: like a solid like forty five seconds of you going
Speaker 1: over that.
Speaker 3: Joe he tries to take it again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was like.
Speaker 1: Trying to figure out if like I'm trying to figure
Speaker 1: out if, like you're if that was a legitimate I actually,
Speaker 1: I mean this perhaps is your genius again, Emil, I
Speaker 1: don't mean to focus on Ben and his great comedy.
Speaker 1: Does the same ship? Does he because he's Oh god,
Speaker 1: I feel like he's so much more put together on
Speaker 1: the show. I feel like he's got a ship so
Speaker 1: much more together.
Speaker 2: Oh no, we're both maniacs.
Speaker 3: No, there's actually a super cut of me screaming at
Speaker 3: the editor cut that, and because they never cut it,
Speaker 3: they go.
Speaker 1: Like you legitimately upset.
Speaker 3: No, No, it's a like if I up. I'm like,
Speaker 3: oh please fucking cut that.
Speaker 1: And they're like, yeah, that's good. People want to see that.
Speaker 2: Realize it is the parasocial relationship is the thing? Is
Speaker 2: the is the one point one jigawatts of podcast fucking uh.
Speaker 2: You get where I'm going with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how you're going to travel to the to
Speaker 1: the past, the future of this future you have. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have to go backwards to go forward with Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what they say, at least based on the film,
Speaker 1: based on the sequence of the film. That's my understanding.
Speaker 2: That is true.
Speaker 1: Okay, so let me ask you this. So, so you're
Speaker 1: a trader band again, Emil. Sorry, I apologize, but this
Speaker 1: guy's so interesting. I find him so fast. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: you know what am I going to say? You know,
Speaker 1: we're talking about law. We're gonna talk about you doing
Speaker 1: like pro bono work for people down in their lockdown.
Speaker 3: Any questions you got for him? Shoot him Adam.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you said you mentioned earlier. I'm just curious.
Speaker 1: It was in the back of my mind you were like,
Speaker 1: I made a ton of money and then I lost
Speaker 1: a ton of money. Yeah, when you say you made
Speaker 1: a ton of money, what are we talking about, because
Speaker 1: obviously scales are all scales right different, But like, you
Speaker 1: give me a range, and then I'd like to know
Speaker 1: how you made it and how you lost it?
Speaker 2: Sure, so real fast. I will plug our very first episode,
Speaker 2: Episode one, called get rich or die crying. Okay, I
Speaker 2: lay it all out as as kind of our primer
Speaker 2: primer or whatever for the audience.
Speaker 1: Primers is not so I would like technically speaking, do yeah.
Speaker 2: But anytime someone says that in the future, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: fucking edit that. But we won't. Let's see, I'll just
Speaker 2: cut right through it. My dad died when I was
Speaker 2: twenty three, and when he died, I got his third
Speaker 2: of a you know, substantial inheritance of like two hundred
Speaker 2: grand because then my grandmother subsequently passed a few years later.
Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, it's you know.
Speaker 1: The story is not fun so far, just so you know,
Speaker 1: it's just kind of a downer. So I'm hoping it
Speaker 1: gets it.
Speaker 2: Gets it gets uh, it gets better. But up until
Speaker 2: that point, I had been trading and working, and funny,
Speaker 2: all my money would go into my trading account and
Speaker 2: then into the ether because I would lose.
Speaker 1: You were invested in ethereum.
Speaker 2: No I wish. I remember being told about ethereum at
Speaker 2: three bucks and I was like, that's oh my god, stupid. Yeah.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: The worst is when you've had some bitcoin when it
Speaker 1: was worth five cents.
Speaker 2: I remember when it first debuted, and I was like,
Speaker 2: this is fucking stupid, and it just this will.
Speaker 1: Ever be anything. Now we could have been fucking millk
Speaker 1: I know, just by doing nothing.
Speaker 2: It drives me. You're so stupid. But so I had
Speaker 2: been trading at that point for close to ten years.
Speaker 1: Did you go to school for that or was this
Speaker 1: like a self taught thing?
Speaker 2: No, I studied. I studied philosophy in college. Total waste.
Speaker 1: And okay, well that's kind of a way to get
Speaker 1: to yeah a little bit, I find critical thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you're good at math, I said.
Speaker 2: Oh, fucking terrible. I'm so bad.
Speaker 1: Okay, so God kind of a gut thing as well.
Speaker 2: Sure, that's how I thought. I'm like, I'm I could
Speaker 2: do this. I'm smart enough. God damn it, I can
Speaker 2: handle it. And I was I would find myself making trades.
Speaker 2: But then because of the small account size that I had,
Speaker 2: I couldn't hold on for long enough. I couldn't endure
Speaker 2: the losses that you have to endure if you want
Speaker 2: to be a trader, because you need Part of it
Speaker 2: is losing. In fact, most of it is losing.
Speaker 1: It's just that's I feel like the really successful guys
Speaker 1: don't do as much losing as you're described.
Speaker 2: They do, but successful traders lose all the time. It's
Speaker 2: about it's about cutting the losses early and about knowing
Speaker 2: how to let the winners ride. But so I just
Speaker 2: took cut to it.
Speaker 1: This is not financial no, no, just chime in with that.
Speaker 2: I keep going. But I ended up at there was
Speaker 2: one year where I made like one hundred grand or something,
Speaker 2: and then the very next year I made a little
Speaker 2: over one point two or one point three million dollars.
Speaker 2: So that's huge fucking money, which when you're twenty eight
Speaker 2: or however, all.
Speaker 1: That was crazy. Any any age that's like over a
Speaker 1: million dollars making over a million dollars investing is like
Speaker 1: a very good You've done a great job.
Speaker 2: At the peak, my account size had gone from two
Speaker 2: hundred k to like two million.
Speaker 1: Just out of curiosity, what were your big drivers there?
Speaker 1: I just want to know.
Speaker 2: I caught a lot of the marijuana stocks, oh okay,
Speaker 2: and when they really really had a big, big rally.
Speaker 2: But among that were some options trades that I that
Speaker 2: I did okay at. But so when I go on
Speaker 2: to say I lost a bunch immediately after making that money,
Speaker 2: I learned about how much I would have to pay
Speaker 2: in taxes. You hadn't factored that, man, I mean I did,
Speaker 2: but I didn't think that it would be almost half
Speaker 2: of that money just immediately vanquished. Gone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but still, I mean sucks. Have you heard of
Speaker 1: decentralized currency, because there's a really you know, you could
Speaker 1: just float out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I should have done that.
Speaker 1: Cryptocurrency is very hot. Tax corn tax is very easy
Speaker 1: to avoid. It made would have been nice. You gotta
Speaker 1: stay liquid, you gotta stay right, you got it. You
Speaker 1: can't really okay, but anyhow, so you so you find
Speaker 1: you get your tax Yeah.
Speaker 2: I had it. I had like a panic attack cause
Speaker 2: I felt like, Okay, I've made more money in just
Speaker 2: a couple of years than my dad made in his
Speaker 2: entire life. And in my brain, the next thing, the
Speaker 2: next logical step was to die like he did. So
Speaker 2: I was like obsessed with death for this couple months,
Speaker 2: and I'm smoking weed and getting heart palpitations. And then
Speaker 2: uh yeah, I paid my taxes. And then I ended
Speaker 2: up overstaying my welcome in an investment that I really
Speaker 2: believed in, but mainly believed in because some guy who
Speaker 2: I thought was way smarter than me, believed in more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it just I probably lost a guy you
Speaker 1: knew or a person you just like looked at or
Speaker 1: watched on. The guy I knew, okay, who had tipped
Speaker 1: me off to one of the big stocks that was
Speaker 1: the bulk of my profits, and he was like, I'm
Speaker 1: putting all my profits into this other thing.
Speaker 2: And I was like, well, he can't be fucking wrong.
Speaker 2: He's a he's a genius, and he's way smarter than me.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Right, All that's to say, I overstayed my welcome and
Speaker 2: I lost like a little over half a million dollars
Speaker 2: on that other things. So I was like, oh, that's cool.
Speaker 2: I mean I had other things going for me that
Speaker 2: that did, okay, that kind of offset that. But so yeah,
Speaker 2: I went from my friends. It was very hard because
Speaker 2: a lot of my friends were like, what do you
Speaker 2: you go to a million dollars? I'm like, no, I
Speaker 2: fucking don't anymore?
Speaker 3: Right I did?
Speaker 2: I did?
Speaker 1: Did you show me your tax.
Speaker 2: I would tell him, I'm like, hey, I look at this.
Speaker 1: Look what the governments they took all this. Did you
Speaker 1: feel like you were becoming radicalized by the way when
Speaker 1: you saw the tax bill. Did you still to think
Speaker 1: about how you needed to like hide your money from
Speaker 1: the government you didn't want to pay taxes?
Speaker 2: Yes and no. I definitely was like, this is fucked up.
Speaker 2: I just got this money. Do you have to take
Speaker 2: it right now? Can I just can I just do
Speaker 2: something else with it first? Like really in my accountant.
Speaker 1: Like reinvested in a sure thing thing, yeah, double or
Speaker 1: nothing on a sure back.
Speaker 2: But put it on roulette like the FedEx guy did.
Speaker 1: So you cashed out of stuff then, I mean you didn't.
Speaker 1: You didn't stay in the money like you were. You
Speaker 1: took the you took it out. Yeah, well that was
Speaker 1: your mistake right there. You gotta stay in the market.
Speaker 1: You gotta you gotta migrate that to a nice slow
Speaker 1: and steady.
Speaker 2: I should have done that. That that might have been smart.
Speaker 2: I should have brought I should have bought Nvidia. I
Speaker 2: should have bought Tesla. I should have Ugh.
Speaker 1: I mean, the most dangerous thing is that it's possible
Speaker 1: to have success when you don't really fully understand what
Speaker 1: you're doing. And then once you're up and you've got options,
Speaker 1: that's when like it becomes very complicated, Like you can
Speaker 1: make a lot of really like, I actually, I mean
Speaker 1: this is in any way comparable. But I had a
Speaker 1: couple of a couple couple of things I bought that
Speaker 1: just on I actually like the businesses, some solar stuff
Speaker 1: that I was like, I like what these guys are doing.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna buy. I'm just gonna buy a little bit.
Speaker 1: And it did amazingly well over like during like in
Speaker 1: the mid mid pandemic was doing amazingly. I know, everything
Speaker 1: was doing amazingly well, but this was like outperforming everything,
Speaker 1: and I was like, things are going so well, my
Speaker 1: gut is seems so great. I'm just gonna go I'm
Speaker 1: gonna bet bet big on this, like actually cannabis related
Speaker 1: pharmaceutical business. They're like, we're gonna do We're gonna come
Speaker 1: up with like gene just cannabis gene therapy or something.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this sounds good.
Speaker 2: I like this.
Speaker 1: I'm liking the feel of that. Just absolute huge waste
Speaker 1: of money went to almost to zero at this point,
Speaker 1: complete like never coming back, like penny fucking stock and
Speaker 1: my probably my largest amount of money I spent on
Speaker 1: a single on a single ticker. So you know, you
Speaker 1: can't wait them all, you can't win them all. But
Speaker 1: I was like, that's like small potatoes because I believe.
Speaker 1: I don't believe in my ability to gamble at all,
Speaker 1: like you do? You gamble in Vegas?
Speaker 2: Do either of you?
Speaker 1: Are you either of you gamblers?
Speaker 2: Never?
Speaker 1: No, No, you don't go. You don't hit the you
Speaker 1: don't hit the blackjack table.
Speaker 3: I've done it before, but it's not like a I'm
Speaker 3: never like, oh I want to go gamble.
Speaker 1: Yeah, same Emil. Are you investing like now? I mean,
Speaker 1: because you're obviously like in this you're in this conversation,
Speaker 1: the ongoing TRILLIONAI mindset conversation. Have you become more of
Speaker 1: a so Ben?
Speaker 3: What Ben does is trading. I don't trade it all,
Speaker 3: but I have I buy like index fund.
Speaker 1: You're like long term like retirement stuff. Yeah, you're like
Speaker 1: a normal person.
Speaker 2: The smartest thing.
Speaker 1: There's no like huge return like sudden dip situation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know that's so stressful.
Speaker 1: That's not well. This is why you guys balance each
Speaker 1: other out so well, because you got this the impulsive
Speaker 1: gambler over here, junkie junkie, right, gambler junkie is willing
Speaker 1: to risk it all.
Speaker 3: You know, you a gambler me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I don't. I don't.
Speaker 1: I've never learned to play poker. I'm still not sure
Speaker 1: how poker's played at all. Like I couldn't tell you
Speaker 1: the first thing about how the game is played. Nobody
Speaker 1: really knows, no, but people play it for sure. People
Speaker 1: love poker. People are and I'm like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: Like whatever this is, it's impenetrable to me. And I
Speaker 1: can play, I can do very complex things, like I
Speaker 1: can build a computer, but like I couldnt tell you
Speaker 1: how to fucking what a poker game does. No, I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not even remotely enticed by gambling. And I
Speaker 1: could gamble, like it's not like I don't have some money, right,
Speaker 1: Like it would be very easier for me to go
Speaker 1: like fuck it, I'm gonna like take like ten grand
Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna go fucking hit the table that's blackjack.
Speaker 3: Said, don't know you had it like that? That's sick.
Speaker 1: I know a guy. I know a guy, an old
Speaker 1: coworker of mine who could count cards or basically count cards.
Speaker 1: He could get close enough that he could go to
Speaker 1: a blackjack table and win a lot.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: And I was like, Michael, here's like five hundred dollars
Speaker 1: go play this. For me, I was like, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to fucking play, but I'll but happily watch you
Speaker 1: spend my money. And you know, it's like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: we ended up a little bit up, but like that's
Speaker 1: that's as far as I'll go, Like, I will delegate
Speaker 1: my gambling to a person who knows better than I do, because.
Speaker 3: I have friends who like to gamble, and I think
Speaker 3: seeing them, it's so unappealing when you're when you're around
Speaker 3: people who really like it, it just feels so gross
Speaker 3: and weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I remember we were in Atlantic City. We were there
Speaker 3: for the weekend.
Speaker 1: No matter what you're doing there, yeah, already, already it's
Speaker 1: a dark it's a dark vibe.
Speaker 3: And I remember, so we had a house that was
Speaker 3: it was nice because we were by the beach, but
Speaker 3: and we were away from all the kind of heart
Speaker 3: of the darkness. And the first day our friend comes
Speaker 3: back and he said he was down like eighteen hundred bucks,
Speaker 3: and I was like, damn. And then the next night
Speaker 3: he comes back and he's like, let's go out. I'm
Speaker 3: up nine hundred bucks and I said, holy shit, you won.
Speaker 3: What's eighteen hundred plus nine twenty seven hundred.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I said, oh, wow, you won twenty seven hundred bucks
Speaker 3: and he was like, no, I won nine hundred. I
Speaker 3: was like, wait, but you're still down, Like, dude, don't
Speaker 3: be such a like oh, don't be such a spoil
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, all right, I didn't.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the that's the that is the that is
Speaker 1: not the trillion there mine mind set.
Speaker 3: That is resets every every day.
Speaker 1: Does That's the thing. But that's isn't that the trick
Speaker 1: of it?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Like you go, well, sure I lost some money, but
Speaker 1: you know, out of sight, out of mind, right, let
Speaker 1: me go hit the get some more of the chips
Speaker 1: or whatever they give you. It's chips, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: So watching people actually do it, I was like, I'm
Speaker 3: not built for this.
Speaker 1: Let's do predictions real quick, and then at a later
Speaker 1: date we can come back and check your predictions. All right,
Speaker 1: let's let's see. Okay, you give me some predictions on
Speaker 1: what is going to be the most overhyped topic of
Speaker 1: the year in the world of business, the most overhyped,
Speaker 1: most overhyped trend.
Speaker 3: I feel like I think a little bit of AIRR
Speaker 3: is going to come out of the AI stuff. I mean,
Speaker 3: so a lot of people are comparing it to cryptos,
Speaker 3: and I think there is a lot of comparisons there. Right,
Speaker 3: A lot of the money that's coming out of crypto
Speaker 3: is going into like every business being like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: we got to find the next big AI scheme whatever.
Speaker 3: It's being implemented into all these businesses and everyone's like,
Speaker 3: and now we're powered by GPT four.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I do think it's different in it's different from
Speaker 3: crypto in the sense that like there is a use
Speaker 3: case for it. There's you know, there's there's utility in
Speaker 3: the way that crypto took you know, ten years to
Speaker 3: start and they still don't have one.
Speaker 1: But well, you can generate value if you do it right, right.
Speaker 3: Right, But it was just purely a speculative asset that
Speaker 3: there was no real right. But so I don't think
Speaker 3: it's going to go away, but I think it might
Speaker 3: die down a little bit.
Speaker 2: That's a good call. I agree.
Speaker 1: I think I will jump in and say, like, we'll
Speaker 1: come back and revisit this prediction. But I think AI
Speaker 1: will prove to be the most overhyped whoa new thing.
Speaker 1: I just think it's this year's it is this year's
Speaker 1: metaverse or whatever. Like crypto is a good I mean,
Speaker 1: but that's like two I feel like two years ago.
Speaker 1: I want to say, like mid pandemic was the was
Speaker 1: the NFT boom that sort of was like married up
Speaker 1: to the crypto sort of the real crypto moment maybe
Speaker 1: presaged a bit by the crypto moment, like NFTs were
Speaker 1: certainly like occupied an entire year of bullshit, right yeah.
Speaker 3: But the but the real difference feels like there there
Speaker 3: are use cases here, right. For example, when Duo Lingo
Speaker 3: is talking about implementing their chat butt where you're now
Speaker 3: you know, talking to someone where you can.
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking of the thing just making up fake words.
Speaker 1: That's the kind of shit that it.
Speaker 3: Does, right, yeah, right, right, that's the problem. But if
Speaker 3: it can get to a place where they can actually
Speaker 3: do these things and and the if the promise is real,
Speaker 3: then you're like, okay, that's kind of you know, there's
Speaker 3: a real use there.
Speaker 1: There's a real sure No, I agree, I agree. AI
Speaker 1: is definitely a more interesting technology, and I think has
Speaker 1: u the prospect of it turning into something real as
Speaker 1: much higher. But there's no killer app yet. There's like
Speaker 1: cool tricks, right right, like and cool tricks don't make
Speaker 1: like don't make a business.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean, I mean, I do think it
Speaker 3: is putting some people out of business. For example, I
Speaker 3: think art generation is a real oh yeah thorn in
Speaker 3: the side of any kind of graphic.
Speaker 2: Do oh no, it's fuck eddy images.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I actually uh made It's funny because I
Speaker 1: was time of making music, but I've been doing it
Speaker 1: like as a hobby now and I just I was,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm putting out a new song on a
Speaker 1: new track, and I was like, I need I need
Speaker 1: art for this, like just for fun, and I use
Speaker 1: mid Journey and it produced like fucking very cool results
Speaker 1: for the thing that I wanted. And it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know it definitely one percent. Like that's the place
Speaker 1: where there's real I mean, it's an edge thing in
Speaker 1: the sense that not everybody's an artist, right, there's not
Speaker 1: like the there are a lot of people who work
Speaker 1: in that field and design and art that are going
Speaker 1: to get screwed by it. But it's not like, wow,
Speaker 1: it's replacing you know, the factory workers who build cars.
Speaker 1: Like it's not exactly the same, right, I mean, though
Speaker 1: it presumably can as well. Once we get into a
Speaker 1: terminator body, I assume, right, that's the book. Well, that's
Speaker 1: like the guy from Google's like, once they put this
Speaker 1: in a in a terminator body, we're all screwed. It's like, no,
Speaker 1: don't do that. Then I guess, like, don't put it.
Speaker 2: Kidding, don't put.
Speaker 1: Also, they got to be the first. But also like
Speaker 1: you could turn the fucking robot off. People are acting
Speaker 1: like I hear people talk about the future of AI
Speaker 1: like destroying humanity. It's like, you know, like we don't
Speaker 1: have the good robots right, Like they're not really that great.
Speaker 1: Like the Boston Dynamics dog can only jump around for
Speaker 1: like ten minutes before it needs a fucking charge.
Speaker 3: They're getting pretty good.
Speaker 1: They're getting good. They're getting good, but like they're not
Speaker 1: gonna kill you, Like you can like put them in
Speaker 1: water and then they stop functioning.
Speaker 3: I welcome it, honestly. Let the Bosting Dynamics dog kill
Speaker 3: me already.
Speaker 2: Let it fuck my wife.
Speaker 1: Dude, Wow, are you even fucking married? No, you made
Speaker 1: an ex wife joke and now you're making a wife joke.
Speaker 1: But I liked it. That's you're saying.
Speaker 2: That's great. We love to do that. We we both
Speaker 2: we we love joking about our non existent wives.
Speaker 1: Neither one of you were married. You're both single. Ye single,
Speaker 1: you're out there.
Speaker 3: In our minds.
Speaker 2: Were married, but I am single and thirty five.
Speaker 1: Wow, you're looking for love?
Speaker 2: Can you describe it?
Speaker 1: Can you describe your perfect partner? Let's hear who you're
Speaker 1: looking for, what kind of person you're looking for? Maybe
Speaker 1: we can make this happen.
Speaker 2: Let's see, she's got four legsic body.
Speaker 3: Made in a facility in Boss.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, just.
Speaker 2: Boston Dynamics dog. But with a great rack.
Speaker 1: They can do that. They can do that for sure,
Speaker 1: that's one they can do, no problem. Like a Boston
Speaker 1: Dynamics dog with great tits is definitely a thing that
Speaker 1: can happen.
Speaker 3: So my other prediction, my other prediction is that Ben
Speaker 3: will be married to a Boston Dynamics dog.
Speaker 1: But Bus, I feel like you just use it. I
Speaker 1: feel like you're just using recent data on that. All right,
Speaker 1: we need at least one more good prediction. I'll let
Speaker 1: me think of, let me think of. Oh, oh, here's
Speaker 1: a good one.
Speaker 2: Oh, let's hear it.
Speaker 1: Will Elon must be the owner of Twitter and or
Speaker 1: will Twitter be in business by the end of twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three.
Speaker 2: I think he will still be the owner. I think
Speaker 2: that to mask a bad Tesla corder, I predict that
Speaker 2: he will probably announce someone is stepping in to take
Speaker 2: over as a CEO of Twitter, which will satisfy the
Speaker 2: market enough to further booie Tesla's stock price, because I
Speaker 2: think Tesla's scene has its best days behind it in
Speaker 2: terms of the stock price.
Speaker 1: Yet what about the what about the actual product?
Speaker 2: Uh? When I drove a Tesla years ago, I fucking
Speaker 2: loved it. I was like, this is how driving is
Speaker 2: meant to be. And I'm really pissed off that I
Speaker 2: didn't buy the stock back then, even though at the
Speaker 2: time it was valued at like eighty billion dollars and
Speaker 2: I thought, well, it's it's all priced in at this point.
Speaker 2: I missed it. But I think that the competition is
Speaker 2: has caught up, and I think the damage that he
Speaker 2: has done alone to the to the brand value is irreparable.
Speaker 2: I think people who have wanted a Tesla, or thought
Speaker 2: about getting a Tesla, or even own a Tesla don't
Speaker 2: want to be associated with I don't know how you
Speaker 2: feel like I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: I've least two don't like it because I feel like
Speaker 1: I want to upgrade every time every few years. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to get another Tesla, like I won't buy
Speaker 1: another Tesla or well no, I know, like like there's
Speaker 1: a ton of great shit out there. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's the but it is like I mean, Ben
Speaker 1: as you were saying, right, it's the one two punch.
Speaker 1: It's like the brand has been kind of tarnished and
Speaker 1: there's great competitors in the market now, so it's like
Speaker 1: what's the edge.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, Because he was untouchable for so long, he
Speaker 2: could continue to make lofty promises that the market chose
Speaker 2: willingly to look past or just blindly believe. And I
Speaker 2: think his douchebaggery is starting to really have an impact
Speaker 2: on the things and the promises that he makes, and
Speaker 2: people are starting to not just blindly swallow the bullshit anymore. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I gotta say, though, I will say one thing about
Speaker 1: about why I don't want another Tesla. I mean, yes,
Speaker 1: like his all of his stuff definitely colors it, like,
Speaker 1: but they're legitimately some dumb fucking things about the car
Speaker 1: that drive me that are so minuscule and yet so preventable,
Speaker 1: so avoidable, and drive me insane. Like, for instance, this
Speaker 1: is the one that probably bothers me the most. You know,
Speaker 1: when you flip down, you know the visor you can
Speaker 1: flip down in a car. Yeah, you know how they
Speaker 1: attach those little things, You kind of push them up
Speaker 1: into they're like a little like half circle and you
Speaker 1: to hold them in place. Yeah, on the Tesla there's
Speaker 1: no half circle. You don't push them into place there.
Speaker 1: It's a magnet that holds them on into place. And
Speaker 1: you know what, every fucking time I go to a
Speaker 1: just advisor, it detaches from its base and slides forward
Speaker 1: and I have to reattach it to the magnet because
Speaker 1: it doesn't hold as good as the little fucking piece
Speaker 1: of plastic that every other car has. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: this was something that you didn't need to touch it
Speaker 1: all you need to go here. Everything was fine. This
Speaker 1: is not an innovation. Like, why it's fucking annoying.
Speaker 3: My big beef with it is that they put a
Speaker 3: lot of things in those cars that then other car
Speaker 3: companies started to be like, well, this is what people want.
Speaker 3: And one we complain about often is that now every
Speaker 3: car thinks that every car company thinks that people what
Speaker 3: they want is a huge fucking screen in the middle
Speaker 3: of the car that has every you know control. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I just saw an article that I guess companies
Speaker 3: are rolling that back. They're like, Oh, people do not
Speaker 3: fucking like when you have to swipe through pages to
Speaker 3: find the climate set it.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. No, it's great. I have to I have
Speaker 1: to go into a menu to open the glove box.
Speaker 1: Literally literally, that's all it's not. That's not an exaggeration.
Speaker 1: There's literally like a I have to open a menu
Speaker 1: and then there's a little symbol and it's like you
Speaker 1: hit glove box and you open it. You can also
Speaker 1: put a pass code on it, by the way, if
Speaker 1: you've got your gun in there or whatever, which I
Speaker 1: assume you know most people.
Speaker 2: Josh, you'll like this. That reminds me of when right
Speaker 2: before the iPod first came out. I was a big
Speaker 2: mini disc guy. I fucking I'm a big I'm a fan.
Speaker 2: I get it, and I just I would rave about
Speaker 2: it to my friends. But then when they would ask
Speaker 2: me how it worked. As it was coming out of
Speaker 2: my mouth, I knew that it sounded so impractical. It's like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, no, they're like, can you buy mini discs
Speaker 2: with the music on it? I'm like, like some maybe
Speaker 2: a dozen artists on it. But here's the cool thing.
Speaker 2: You hook it up to your CD player and you
Speaker 2: press play on the CD player and record on the
Speaker 2: on the mini disc player and it it you know,
Speaker 2: it migrates it over now, but it records it in
Speaker 2: real time. It doesn't even like upload in a few
Speaker 2: minutes now.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're listen, you're you are right, And yet
Speaker 1: there is something just innately cool about the mini discs,
Speaker 1: Like it's like the one of the most cyber of
Speaker 1: all products ever made.
Speaker 2: It was fucking awesome.
Speaker 1: It's like the matrix. It's like a matrix object and
Speaker 1: it actually there are many discs in the matrix. In fact,
Speaker 1: I think the software that Neo is given is on
Speaker 1: mini discs. Yeah, which because because the Waikowski is new.
Speaker 1: That's fucking cyberpunk and that's how you do it. Okay,
Speaker 1: one more quick thing and then we got we gotta
Speaker 1: wrap up because we now it's like fucking two hours
Speaker 1: of this nonsense. Apple VR heads, have you heard this rumor? Yes,
Speaker 1: here's my take on this. This is never going to happen. Like,
Speaker 1: it's not They're not going to release this product. Give
Speaker 1: me your take. That's my my prediction for this year
Speaker 1: is this will be an infinitely delayed product that never
Speaker 1: sees the light of day.
Speaker 3: I mean, isn't it already? Hasn't it been? Like it's
Speaker 3: like every year they're like, oh, we're doing.
Speaker 1: It well, and yeah, it's like the car. Remember when
Speaker 1: every talking about the car was going to happen, or
Speaker 1: the TV. There was a it was talking about they're
Speaker 1: going to make a TV. Yeah, there's just products. I
Speaker 1: think they're real inside of Apple. But then somebody goes like,
Speaker 1: that's not it.
Speaker 2: This isn't gonna work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're not gonna go to sell a bunch of this.
Speaker 1: I just think anything you gotta put on your face
Speaker 1: is fucking da Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that the only way that it could work
Speaker 2: is if there were no there was nothing covering your
Speaker 2: eyes and it was more of an ar experience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like you used to have to wear something
Speaker 1: on your head, you just think about it.
Speaker 2: Do you wear glasses? I used to up until December
Speaker 2: and I got LACEI.
Speaker 1: Why'd you oh, because why'd you stop wearing glasses? Glasses
Speaker 1: are cool because I just I want I didn't want
Speaker 1: to wear glasses.
Speaker 2: It was impulsive. I'd been wearing him for like a decade.
Speaker 1: Is there some reason you didn't want to have them
Speaker 1: on your face? Is that what I'm UNDERSTANDE. I just
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I mean I gotta change it. You
Speaker 1: think you'll wear the Apple a R Thing?
Speaker 2: Nah? No, it probably wouldn't be me.
Speaker 1: What do you think would you wear the Apple a
Speaker 1: R Thing?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: I mean I've tried. I've tried uh VR stuff. I
Speaker 3: don't want anything on my head.
Speaker 2: You doesn't want to get bullied by high school Nobody
Speaker 2: wants That's right.
Speaker 1: Nobody wants anything on their heads. So unless it's fucking invisible, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I would do an eye like a contact that
Speaker 1: is like AR that might be cool. I go for that.
Speaker 1: They're not releasing that they don't have that they have
Speaker 1: they have like a visor like Jordie LaForge and fucking
Speaker 1: Star Trek the next Generation something like that. All right, great,
Speaker 1: that's not really nothings been a real prediction about that.
Speaker 1: I guess I'm making a prediction that it'll be infinitely
Speaker 1: delayed and never release. But uh, anything you want to
Speaker 1: tell the audience about trillionaire mindset, oh ship, or anything
Speaker 1: else for that matter.
Speaker 2: We didn't prepare for this.
Speaker 3: Oh really a lot of second Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2: I'm been fuck they already know.
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Speaker 2: Truly, if you just google trillion in our mindset or
Speaker 2: put punch it into Apple Music or Spotify or whatever,
Speaker 2: you'll find it and you'll listen to it, and we
Speaker 2: think you'll really really enjoy it.
Speaker 1: You're the only trillion in our mindset, right, There's not
Speaker 1: another one.
Speaker 3: Yeah. We get a lot of like, oh, I'm not
Speaker 3: really interested in that kind of thing. But you guys
Speaker 3: seem fun. I swear the show is still fun, and
Speaker 3: you might you know, are you.
Speaker 1: Telling yourself out of the audience. I feel like the
Speaker 1: show is fun. I've just seen it and it's enjoyable. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but we get we get people who are are
Speaker 3: maybe afraid of the subject matter sometimes, but we often
Speaker 3: say give us a chance, and when people do, they go, wow,
Speaker 3: this is very fun.
Speaker 1: No, I think it's good. I think it is a
Speaker 1: lot of fun. And I think you guys are like,
Speaker 1: you know enough to be dangerous, but you don't know
Speaker 1: so much that you're so sure of yourself that it's
Speaker 1: like a Joe Rogan experience or whatever.
Speaker 2: Like that's exactly know what we want. I think.
Speaker 1: No, I mean, I think you could get to a
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan experience level in terms of your power. But
Speaker 1: I think what's what's interesting about listening to what I
Speaker 1: what I have enjoyed from what I have heard and seen, Well,
Speaker 1: one is the desk is great. That's number one. If
Speaker 1: you're gonna it's a great It's just a great, wonderful desk.
Speaker 1: Got nice colors, nice shape. It's really really actually kind
Speaker 1: of looks like those one of those Bow's wave radios.
Speaker 1: Do you remember the ones that were kind of tall?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, designed it was designed with that in mind.
Speaker 1: It has kind of a shape of a Bo's wave radio.
Speaker 1: But no, I think what's good about the show is
Speaker 1: that you guys are not you're not taking yourselves too seriously,
Speaker 1: and you're making things that are often like a real
Speaker 1: down are like pretty pretty accessible. And I think that's
Speaker 1: a huge that's a huge asset and like the fact
Speaker 1: is like you're not, like you don't have an ego
Speaker 1: about it. I think that's great. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: people in the world, in the world of investing, like
Speaker 1: who'd want to talk about like where money's moving that
Speaker 1: have like a huge ego about it, And I think,
Speaker 1: like it's actually very refreshing to listen to people who
Speaker 1: are like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so those guys are kind of like our I
Speaker 3: guess issues sometimes where I think we get lumped in
Speaker 3: with them. When people hear about the show, they go, oh,
Speaker 3: finance bros. Pass and it's like.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, a glance. I mean, look at you.
Speaker 1: I mean I understand, Like right, they see you, they
Speaker 1: see the still frame, they see trillionaire mindset. You got
Speaker 1: a couple of bros.
Speaker 2: We thought that the name itself indicate that we're being ironic.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, in that world people are like, yeah, I could
Speaker 1: do a trillion I can get there.
Speaker 3: It's our fault for picking an ironic title. Yeah, exact,
Speaker 3: it's good.
Speaker 1: I think it's real. I thought I think the titles great,
Speaker 1: and I think that the right people will read it,
Speaker 1: thank you the way you want them to read it.
Speaker 1: And the people who'd read it the other way are
Speaker 1: stupid and suck and you don't have to worry about them.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: Any other closing thoughts before we before we go into
Speaker 1: that grade to beyond, just that this was very lovely
Speaker 1: and I appreciate you having well, I feel that it
Speaker 1: was lovely as well. I really enjoyed this conversation. You
Speaker 1: guys are super fun duo. You have a lot to say.
Speaker 1: You've said a couple of things that are cancellable, but
Speaker 1: I think you know you can weather the storm and
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, we gotta do it again. We got
Speaker 1: to come back and we got to see if any
Speaker 1: of these predictions are We'd love that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Maybe if we're in the same location, we can all
Speaker 3: do it irl.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you guys are in La right, Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: where all the That's what it all happens. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: all happened anyhow.
Speaker 2: This is great.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for doing it, and we'll do
Speaker 1: it again.
Speaker 2: Great, Thank you for having.
Speaker 1: Us, Josh, Well, look that is our show. I think
Speaker 1: you know, I think you know where I've had it
Speaker 1: with this. That is our show for this week. Because
Speaker 1: it was it was a big one. We covered a
Speaker 1: lot of ground. We left no stone unturned. We got
Speaker 1: the full reveal I would say spoiler alert. We said
Speaker 1: it all and so we've got to wrap up. But
Speaker 1: we will be back next week with more what future
Speaker 1: and as always, I wish you and your family the
Speaker 1: very best