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Speaker 3: Good morning, everybody, Happy Monday. We have an amazing show

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Speaker 3: for everybody today. What do we have, Crystal?

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Speaker 4: Did we do lots to get to this morning?

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Speaker 1: So Israeli has killed their own hostages as a broader

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Speaker 1: war looms, huge backlash domestically in Israel over what exactly

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Speaker 1: happened there, so we'll break that down for you. We

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Speaker 1: also have Trump saying that immigrants are listening the blood

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Speaker 1: of our nation. This coming as Nikki Haley is genuinely

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Speaker 1: surging in the polls, at least in New Hampshire, So

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Speaker 1: some very interesting development there. Ukraine resorting to some pretty

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Speaker 1: outrageous tactics as manpower becomes a massive issue in that war.

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Speaker 1: John Fetterman says he is not a progressive funny, that's

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Speaker 1: not what he was saying before when he was, you know,

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Speaker 1: raising money and posturing and all this sort of stuff.

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Speaker 1: So a lot to get into there, and also there

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Speaker 1: were things happening in a Senate hearing room. Yes, you

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Speaker 1: if you don't are And you know, I'm also taking

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Speaker 1: a look at some new comments from bb Netanyahu admitting

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Speaker 1: that the two state solution is never going to happen,

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's right.

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Speaker 4: As I said, it's kind of crazy. We just really

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Speaker 1: So yeah, lots of things coming up in the new year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, go ahead and look forward to that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's go ahead and start with Israel, as Crystal

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Speaker 2: alluded to, so over the weekend, news broke that three

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Speaker 2: Israeli hostages were actually shot and killed by IDF soldiers

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Speaker 2: in a very disturbing incident. This is ignited major protests

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Speaker 3: We can go ahead and play some of this.

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Speaker 2: What you're seeing here are live crowds in Tel Aviv

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Speaker 2: that are protesting against the killing of these Israeli hostages.

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Speaker 2: Has built up major domestic pressure on bb NET and

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Speaker 2: YAH who to change the way that the war is prosecuted.

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Speaker 2: Will get to the IDF their defense of the conduct

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Speaker 2: But it is igniting a major I think controversy around

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Speaker 3: We're going to take a listen here to a protester herself.

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Speaker 5: They said they do everything.

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Speaker 6: They say that the hostages is first day in the considerations,

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Speaker 6: but it doesn't seem like this.

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Speaker 5: It doesn't look like this.

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Speaker 2: So what you could see there was that Israeli protester

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Speaker 2: So let's go and put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: The preliminary IDEF report, and this is from Israeli media

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Speaker 2: soldiers waving white flags. One yelled for help in Hebrew.

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Speaker 2: Quote according to the report is really soldiers spotted a

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Speaker 2: At the same time, as soldier reported to his commanding

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Speaker 2: According to the soldiers, they then believed it was a

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Speaker 2: Let's go to the next one because you can actually

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Speaker 2: see the signs in question pretty you know, the universal

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Speaker 2: conduct of the IDF here, the trigger trigger happy nature

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Speaker 3: And also just a nightmare of urban combat in general.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you got here we covered just on our

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Speaker 2: But it does show you that these guys are on

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Speaker 3: Even in a trap type situation.

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Speaker 2: They're willing to just spray and pray and unfortunately result

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Speaker 1: Mean, it's pretty clear here that the only reason that

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Speaker 4: Think about this situation. You have these.

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Speaker 1: Three hostages who knew that, you know, it was possible

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Speaker 4: So what do they do.

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Speaker 1: They fashion a white flag that they can wave, They

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Speaker 1: not suicide bombers, and none of this saves them. One

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Speaker 1: Was one of them appeared white, and so they decided

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Speaker 1: that these were hostages. But it makes it pretty plain

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Speaker 1: the IDF, at least operating especially in northern Gaza. Anyone

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Speaker 1: that they see they are just assuming is you know, fair,

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Speaker 1: fair game. A legitimate target and they're if they're asking questions,

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Speaker 1: that's not coming until later. So it is an absolutely

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Speaker 1: outrageous situation. And by the way, you know, this isn't

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Speaker 1: far from the first time that the IDF has been

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Speaker 1: accused of firing on individuals who are waving a white flag.

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Speaker 1: If there's a Human Rights Watch report, we can put

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Speaker 1: an in depth report. But some of the cases that

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Speaker 1: they analyzed here seven of the cases they said at

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Speaker 1: least one person was waving an improvised white flag made

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Speaker 1: a sign of truce or SURRENDERUS civilians are immune from

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Speaker 1: they undoubtedly wave the flags to communicate they were not

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Speaker 1: engaged in hostilities post no threat, reaffirming their civilian status.

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Speaker 4: They go on.

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Speaker 1: Two Israeli commanders have alleged that palistating fighters used white

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Speaker 1: had seen Hamas fighters move between houses while holding white

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Speaker 1: what threat they thought these hostages posed when they clearly

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Speaker 1: What in the world did you think that the risk

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Speaker 1: They are not even really castigating them. I mean, all

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Speaker 1: this is so understandable, and you know, it's very difficult situation. Again,

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Speaker 1: what risk did they think? I think that these people,

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Speaker 1: and we're hoping that the IDF would help to rescue them.

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Speaker 1: What threat did they actually think that they posed in

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Speaker 3: That's the issue.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, people are trying to parse it. I

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Speaker 2: case by case basis. So US hostages actually have been

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Speaker 2: killed in previous hostage raids by Delta Force operators or

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Speaker 3: But the circumstances of that are very different.

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Speaker 2: That's when you're like raiding into a dark room where

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Speaker 2: everything is off and they're usually held in captivity, and

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Speaker 2: in a very different scenario. This is quite literally three

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Speaker 2: of them managed to evade their captors, had signs saying

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Speaker 2: SOS and help that were public and were basically lit

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Speaker 2: even including shouting for help in Hebrew. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: guess the only slack we can cut is these guys

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Speaker 2: are like probably like nineteen years old reservists.

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Speaker 3: They don't have a lot of training.

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Speaker 2: The fact is is that a lot of people probably

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Speaker 2: do speak some Hebrew or rudiment enough. Hebrews was not

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Speaker 2: necessarily something that you could cut out, but you know,

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Speaker 2: the SOS flag at the very least, you should probably

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Speaker 3: This is not me saying this is us.

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Speaker 2: According to some people I've spoken to who have experienced

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think I can really characterize how

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Speaker 3: That is that is not gonna.

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Speaker 2: I think engender any good will, probably, I could say.

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Speaker 2: And the best way for you to understand how incindiar

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Speaker 3: They're like, you cannot be doing this.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it adds an even more religious dimension to

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Speaker 1: It seems like those dudes who are in the mosque

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Speaker 1: And you know, listen, the IDF has told everyone to

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Speaker 1: And basically what they've said to people is if you stay,

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Speaker 4: To the hostages.

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Speaker 1: The hostages continue to be a very emotional issue in Israel,

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Speaker 3: We certainly will.

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Speaker 2: Goalan openly in English in front of him. You can

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he said several months.

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Speaker 2: Like I said, you can literally see the life leave

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Speaker 2: their sponsors in Tehran are trying to undermine global maritime trade,

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Speaker 2: both to under kept trade to Israel and to raise

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Speaker 2: the cost of the US and his allies for supporting

442
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Speaker 2: the israel States now eleven week war in Gaza against

443
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Speaker 2: the Palestinian group Hamas. Already some global shipping lines are

444
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Speaker 2: diverting their cargo traffic away from the Red Sea and

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Speaker 2: the Suez Canal to routes circling the Horn of Africa.

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Speaker 3: The Suez crisis a two.

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Speaker 2: Point zero I guess that we are now in is

448
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Speaker 2: genuinely extraordinary, so I wanted to highlight the statistic in particular,

449
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Speaker 2: let's go and put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: Four out of the fives largest container shipping companies CMACGM, Hotpod,

451
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Speaker 2: Lloyd Mart, MRSK and MSc have now paused or suspended

452
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Speaker 2: their services in the Red Sea. Together, those four companies

453
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Speaker 2: account for fifty three percent of the global container trade.

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Speaker 2: So the amount of container shipping traffic currently going through

455
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Speaker 2: the Red Sea has gone down dramatically in the days

456
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Speaker 2: since the war, and actually currently just this morning I

457
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Speaker 2: saw the update forty six separate container ships are now

458
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Speaker 2: diverting around the Cape of Good Hope rather than transiting

459
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Speaker 2: the Red Sea, which is an extraordinary cost in the amount,

460
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Speaker 2: in the amount of fuel that you have to pay,

461
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Speaker 2: and obviously all of that is going to get transited

462
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Speaker 2: to American consumers and to really global consumers. This is

463
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Speaker 2: significantly going to have an impact on the price of

464
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Speaker 2: oil as well, so British Petroleum announcing this morning they

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Speaker 2: will no longer transit through the US Canal and through

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Speaker 2: the Red Sea. I mean that's almost ten percent of

467
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Speaker 2: global supply. So all of this is going to have

468
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Speaker 2: significant upward pressure on prices. Just as we're already dealing

469
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Speaker 2: with the quote unquote Ukraine tax from whatever is happening

470
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Speaker 2: with our Western sanctions, and also out of the Black

471
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Speaker 2: Sea Fleet, etc. This also comes on the heels and

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Speaker 2: is a major challenge right now to the supremacy of

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Speaker 2: the US Navy. So let's go and put this up

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Speaker 2: there right now. The US and the British Navy now

475
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Speaker 2: say that they have shot down fifteen attack drones just

476
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Speaker 2: yesterday over the Red Sea. These suspected attack drones were

477
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Speaker 2: going after commercial shipping. It's important for us to note

478
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Speaker 2: here the commercial shipping vessels that are being targeted are

479
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Speaker 2: not just israelly, They are US flagged, British flagged, and

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Speaker 2: all kinds of different nations. As I'd mentioned previously, the

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Speaker 2: increase in these attack drones or quote unquote unmanned aerial

482
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Speaker 2: systems that are being shot down, I think just really

483
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Speaker 2: highlights to me and crystal the cost of asymmetric warfare.

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Speaker 2: Every missile that we are the BRIT's launch against these

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Speaker 2: drones costs a million dollars, maybe a little bit more.

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Speaker 2: And if you factor in oil, the price of the

487
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Speaker 2: you know, the guys on the ship and all this

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Speaker 2: other stuff. It's probably even more than that. Each one

489
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Speaker 2: of these drones cost twenty five thousand dollars, So every

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Speaker 2: single drone is costing Americans a million dollars in weaponry

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Speaker 2: that we are used to shoot these things down, not

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Speaker 2: to mention the immassive tax and.

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Speaker 3: Global shipping that is now happening.

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Speaker 2: And if this is going to be the status quo

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Speaker 2: for the next several months, I don't think we can

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Speaker 2: emphasize enough, Like Joe Biden, you can kiss your presidency

497
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Speaker 2: goodbye in terms of not just a handling of the

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Speaker 2: Israel crisis. Inflation will come roaring back, you know, to

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Speaker 2: this extent that it has declined very small, you know,

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Speaker 2: in the last several months. So this is probably the

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Speaker 2: single largest existential threat to global security and to the

502
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Speaker 2: global economy that we've seen since Ukraine, largely because of

503
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Speaker 2: the massive impact it's going to have on global inflation.

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Speaker 2: I don't think we can talk about it really enough.

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Speaker 2: And then I've said this to you before. You know,

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Speaker 2: one of these just one of these missiles goes off target,

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Speaker 2: one of these DROs D kills an American sailor or

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Speaker 2: an American you know, an American flagged a crew member

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Speaker 2: to some type of Captain Phillips situation, takes hostage. I mean,

510
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Speaker 2: you've we've all seen that movie before. It can literally

511
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Speaker 2: pause the entire globe, it can change.

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Speaker 3: The entire picture.

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Speaker 1: Well, I was really struck by a quote that they

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Speaker 1: had in that semaphore piece from Lieutenant General Michael Nagatuho,

515
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Speaker 1: oversaw US Special Operations Forces in the Middle East during

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Speaker 1: the Obama administration. He said, there's something close to an

517
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Speaker 1: undeclared war between Iran and the US when it comes

518
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Speaker 1: to the attacks and the reprisals that are going on

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Speaker 1: outside of Israel. That's a very important aspect of this.

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Speaker 1: And just to back up for a second to give

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Speaker 1: a little bit like top top layer of history with

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Speaker 1: regard to the Huthis. I mean, the Huthi's more or

523
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Speaker 1: less control half of Yemen than including the capital city.

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Speaker 1: They're backed by Iran. So there's been like this proxy

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Speaker 1: civil war going on in Yemen for years now, the

526
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Speaker 1: Sunni backed government, backed by Saudi Arabia and by the way,

527
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Speaker 1: backed by US, and they've kind of come to this

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Speaker 1: uneasy stalemate right now or truce. There's talks of a

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Speaker 1: potential partition plan. So the Huthis are in charge of

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Speaker 1: a good bit of Yemen. You know, in the US perspective,

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Speaker 1: we sort of pretend like they are these still rebel group,

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Speaker 1: but they do control the capital city and they do

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Speaker 1: have significant weapons that has been provided by a RUN.

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Speaker 1: Now from their perspective, and why they have eagerly engaged

535
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Speaker 1: in these attacks is because you know, now that there's

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Speaker 1: a bit of a shaky truce. Their domestic political situation

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Speaker 1: in Yemen is a little bit shaky, and the one

538
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Speaker 1: thing that rallies everybody together is support for the Palestinian costs.

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Speaker 1: For them, it's a win win situation because not only

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Speaker 1: do they get to you know, show themselves as being

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Speaker 1: pro Palestinian and anti Israel with these attacks and with

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Speaker 1: these threats that are being made on the Red Sea,

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Speaker 1: they also get to please their benefit factors a RUN

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Speaker 1: and try to keep them on their side. And for them,

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Speaker 1: let's say that you know, the US intervenes aggressively. Now

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Speaker 1: there are active talks that I think it's very likely

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Speaker 1: to occur that the US will strike Yemen directly strike

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Speaker 1: some of their you know, weapons and missile systems and

549
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Speaker 1: silos directly. That would only inhore to their benefit as well,

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Speaker 1: that they're seen as being taken on directly by you know,

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Speaker 1: the big bad guy, the United States of America. So

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Speaker 1: that's why for them this is an lose situation. It

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Speaker 1: benefits them tremendously. And with just a little bit of

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Speaker 1: you know, drone warfare and boarding these ships and threats

555
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Speaker 1: being issued, they have managed to completely upend shipping around

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Speaker 1: the world. And it's very difficult to overstate what a

557
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Speaker 1: tremendous impact this is already having. So twelve percent of

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Speaker 1: global trade by volume normally flows through this area, perhaps

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Speaker 1: thirty percent of global container traffic. In addition to the

560
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Speaker 1: added cost of having to go all the way around Africa,

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Speaker 1: you also have skyrocketing insurance costs which also add to

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Speaker 1: you know, obviously the cost of shipping goods.

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Speaker 4: So you've got fears of.

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Speaker 1: A broader escalation, as Sager was laying out, fears of

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Speaker 1: drawing US more directly into conflict with Iran, which you know,

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Speaker 1: nobody I think wants, I hope nobody wants.

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Speaker 4: Actually I'm wrong about that. There are a bunch of people,

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Speaker 4: there are a.

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Speaker 1: Bunch of politicians who want that, but in terms of

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Speaker 1: the American people. Nobody wants that. And then you also

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Speaker 1: have thematic economic impact that they are able to exact

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Speaker 1: extract with very minimal, very minimal efforts.

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Speaker 2: Here, Yeah, it's not good. And also just again to

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Speaker 2: highlight how much this is costing American taxpayers.

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Speaker 3: It's going to put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: There are three separate now US destroyers that have entered

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Speaker 2: the Mediterranean Sea by the Strait of Gibraltar, the USS Laboon,

578
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Speaker 2: the USS Delbert Black, and the USS the Sullivans, all

579
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Speaker 2: in the span of just six days, all of them

580
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Speaker 2: being dispatched specifically for a new joint mission that we're

581
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Speaker 2: currently running with the Brits to try to protect global

582
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Speaker 2: traffic in the Red Sea. But even with this power

583
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Speaker 2: projection on the commercial to try and protect the commercial fleet,

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Speaker 2: a lot of companies and insurance really this is a

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Speaker 2: game of insurance and we all learned this during the

586
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Speaker 2: hostage Somali crisis, where you know, during the Captain Phillips

587
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Speaker 2: saying they're like, wait, why don't you just pay to

588
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Speaker 2: have like mercenaries on your ships to protect them.

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Speaker 3: They're like, honestly, it's just cheaper to pay the ransom.

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Speaker 2: Well, what we're learning here is that you only start

591
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Speaker 2: to take action like this until the insurance companies give

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Speaker 2: you the green light such that you are allowed and

593
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Speaker 2: you can pass these on through contracts a law. It's

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Speaker 2: very complicated in terms of international shipping and maritime law.

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Speaker 2: But eventually it just comes to a point where the

596
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Speaker 2: risk becomes so high that it's made at a company

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Speaker 2: wide level that everybody's willing to eat that cost, and

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Speaker 2: that of course means that you get passed on to

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Speaker 2: the consumer. But the significant toll right now on the

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Speaker 2: US Navy I don't think can be overstated. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we've already got two Terra strike groups in the region,

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Speaker 2: then we moved there previously. Now we've got multiple US

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Speaker 2: destroyers that are on their way here. This is a

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Speaker 2: full blown, you know, international shipping crisis, even if nobody

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Speaker 2: wants to name it as such, and we are really

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Speaker 2: on the prespice of something. I would also add Crystal

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Speaker 2: in terms of striking the hoo Thies, we would not

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Speaker 2: necessarily pay the price there, although we probably pay some,

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Speaker 2: but the Hoothis have demonstrated capability to target riod if

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Speaker 2: they want to, And then yeah, I can you can

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Speaker 2: all tell me what America is going to do if

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Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia finds itself in some sort of missile war

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Speaker 2: with the Hoothis, which they have in the past used

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Speaker 2: Patriot missile defense defense systems. I just saw this morning

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Speaker 2: the United Arab Emirates is heavily pressuring the United States

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Speaker 2: to militarily target the Hoho They so there's pressure building

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Speaker 2: to in the Gulf to try and have some sort

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Speaker 2: of military campaign which could easily spiral oticamy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll don't forget that.

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Speaker 1: One possible idea that's been floated is to use armed

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Speaker 1: escorts for all of these ships traversing this strait, and

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Speaker 1: apparently we use these in the nineteen eighties during the

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Speaker 1: so called tanker war between Iran and Iraq. But it

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Speaker 1: would require a huge number of warships to be committed

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Speaker 1: to this effort. So that's why there's major hesitation in

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Speaker 1: doing that. So, you know, and there's a larger conversation

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Speaker 1: to be had at a different point about the massive

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Speaker 1: economic toll that is being taken on Israel, not only

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Speaker 1: through the fact that you know, they have all these

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Speaker 1: reservists called up people are basically you know, during the war.

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Speaker 1: They're basically all tourism has stopped, all like normal activity

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Speaker 1: has stopped. Huge hit to the economy, and the economy

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Speaker 1: has been become very dependent on foreign direct invest Well,

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Speaker 1: that was already dropping off a cliff because of the

635
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Speaker 1: Netnyahu judicial like takeover situation, and that is expected to

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Speaker 1: drop even further than you add to this that it's

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Speaker 1: specifically I mean, they have targeted other ships, but they're

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Speaker 1: specifically saying they're targeting any ships that are going.

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Speaker 4: To Israeli ports or that are Israeli flagged.

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Speaker 1: So huge impact on them in particular in terms of shipping.

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Speaker 1: And you know, that's another massive cost of them of

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Speaker 1: this war.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk a little bit about what's going

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Speaker 1: on in the Republican Party. So Donald Trump giving a

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Speaker 1: rally recently and reiterating some outrageous rhetoric that he had

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Speaker 1: used before with regard to immigrants.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 8: They're poisoning the blood of our country.

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Speaker 4: That's what they've done.

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Speaker 8: They poisoned mental institutions and prisons all over the world,

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Speaker 8: not just in South America, not just the three or

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Speaker 8: four countries that we think about.

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Speaker 3: But all over the world.

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Speaker 8: They're coming into our country from Africa, from Asia, all

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Speaker 8: over the world. They're pouring into our country. Nobody's even

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Speaker 8: looking at them. They just come in. The crime is

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Speaker 8: going to be tremendous. The terrorism is going to be,

659
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Speaker 8: terrorism is going to be and then we built a

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Speaker 8: tremendous piece of the.

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Speaker 1: Wall, so poisoning the blood of America there. He had

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Speaker 1: said this in an interview previously. I mean, this is

663
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Speaker 1: obviously just some like out and out Nazi type rhetoric

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Speaker 1: and sober to me, it seems like, you know, the

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Speaker 1: immigration thing has always been what he has used number

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Speaker 1: one to you know, both rally his base trigger the Libs,

667
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: which is what a lot of his political power comes from.

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Speaker 1: Some of the old rhetoric which seems mild frankly in

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Speaker 1: comparison to this. It doesn't hit the way that he

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00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: used to. So he's got up the ante and just

671
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Speaker 1: go like full Nazi in terms of the way he's described.

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Speaker 2: I think Trump is a genius in terms of getting

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Speaker 2: people to set the conversation.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we're covering it here now. This was you

675
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 3: pointed this out to me.

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00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 2: I actually missed this entire news cycle, but I went

677
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 2: back and checked, and it was dominating every single one

678
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Speaker 2: of the Sunday shows. The reason why I honestly think

679
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 2: it wins on a strategic ground is that he's leaning

680
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: by double digits on immigration. Anytime you're talking about immigration,

681
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 2: you're highlighting border policy. For Republicans, they've got probably the

682
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 2: biggest lead over Biden that they have in the entire thing.

683
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Speaker 2: So for him, I mean, as long as you can

684
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Speaker 2: center immigration I think at the front, and you can

685
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 2: get people to talk about you and to draw contrasts

686
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 2: with Biden, I think it's an overall win for you.

687
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 3: I'm not going to defend what.

688
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 2: He said necessarily, but I do think look throughout history,

689
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 2: what do we show when we have uncontrolled net migration

690
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 2: that we have like right now effectively uncontrolled with the

691
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 2: US border and with probably the highest level of form

692
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 2: born population in modern American history, You're going to have

693
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 2: some major ethnic strife, especially when you've got economic problems

694
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Speaker 2: like we have right now. And it would not it's

695
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 2: not a shocker to meet that something like this is

696
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 2: going to hit with a lot of people who want

697
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 2: to vote for him in the first place. It goes

698
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 2: back to some of the original appeals of the twenty

699
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,719
Speaker 2: fifteen campaigns. So yeah, I mean, do I think it

700
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Speaker 2: was a smart thing to say, Like, no, not necessarily,

701
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Speaker 2: but from.

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00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 3: A strategic ground.

703
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 2: I think in that way, getting people to talk about

704
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 2: it and to just like highlight his border policy versus

705
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,479
Speaker 2: Biden at a net level, it probably works for him.

706
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: Policy versus Biden is not all that different at this point.

707
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: But we'll talk about that a little bit more when

708
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Speaker 1: we get to the bill that they're working to push through,

709
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: which would include the border piece and Ukraine and Israel.

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Speaker 2: That's if it's signed though, right even then, that's basically

711
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 2: just a return to the twenty twenty even.

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00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 1: Many of but even many of the policies that Biden

713
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: has instituted. I mean, he's you know, remain in Mexico.

714
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: He has been holdovers since the Trump era that Democrats

715
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: you know, opposed then but suddenly went quiet when it

716
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: was Joe Biden. So a lot of the border policy

717
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: frankly isn't all that different.

718
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 2: But he was dragged kicking and screaming two years back

719
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 2: to remain in Mexico. The asylum process is still very different.

720
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 2: There's some eight million illegal immigrants have entered this country

721
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 2: probably since Biden took office. So I mean from that perspective,

722
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 2: I mean, if you look at someone like Trump, that's

723
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 2: just that's a massive winning issue. Like the American people

724
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 2: do not support most of what's I mean, we seen.

725
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: Are definitely concerned about emigration, and they should by the way,

726
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: I agree with you, I think they should be. I

727
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: don't think that we should have you know, I think

728
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: people deserve to have a controlled and orderly process at

729
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: the border. I think that you know, the fact that

730
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: there's been a failure to deal to with this massive

731
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: backlog in terms of asylum cases is just a catastrophe

732
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: and an utter failure of governance. We'll talk about that

733
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 1: more in a minute. In terms of the politics of this,

734
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: I'm not so convinced because the big problem with Trump

735
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 1: is this sense of extremism, and you know that comes

736
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: out in concert over abortion. It comes out and concert

737
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: over January sixth, and most Americans are not looking at

738
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,439
Speaker 1: the immigration issue in this type of just like out

739
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,919
Speaker 1: and out Nazi, they're poisoning the blood of America way.

740
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: They want law and order, they want basic security, they

741
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: want it to be an orderly process. And so the

742
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: more that he uses this sort of rhetoric. I do

743
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 1: think that it can serve as a reminder of like, oh, yeah,

744
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: that's what it was like when this guy was president

745
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: of the United States, and you know what, this was

746
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: not great and it was very chaos.

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00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 2: It's possible, I don't know. I also wonder though, if

748
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 2: so much of this is just baked in. I mean,

749
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 2: for example, using the word nazi, I would would just say, like,

750
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 2: how many times have people called Trump a Nazi? Like

751
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 2: at a certain point, the words like lose meaning, It's like,

752
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 2: what does it mean? And so even if he were

753
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 2: to say something which is quote unquote nazi asque like

754
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 2: if but if it's just going to roll off, most

755
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 2: people are like, yeah, whatever, I've heard it a million

756
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 2: times before that Colin Trump and Nazi again. I see

757
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 2: it's the Washington Posts. You don't pick up on the edge.

758
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 2: Nobody is, nobody has heard for them. This is the

759
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 2: first time that someone's gonna be like, oh my god,

760
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 2: Trump is a Nazi. It's like this type of criticism

761
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 2: is just it's like calling Bernie a socialist and defund

762
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 2: the police. Anybody who supports him or is even on

763
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 2: the everybody's heard it a million times before, so at

764
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 2: a certain point, like, I just don't think some of

765
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 2: this criticism is.

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00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 3: Going to work for him.

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00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 2: I think immigration is such a net winning issue for

768
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 2: Republicans that anything he could say is probably gonna be.

769
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 4: Good for him.

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00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: I mean, that is possible that just by putting the

771
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: issue front and center and forcing conversation about it, that

772
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: he wins. I think that is an entirely possible situation.

773
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: I also think it's entirely possible that people here, I mean,

774
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: this is very antithetical to the idea and the concept

775
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: the ideal of America, right that when people hear these

776
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,919
Speaker 1: type of comments, which even like Fox and Friends had

777
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: to cover. I mean, this was wall to wall in

778
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: terms of the coverage, and I would say understandably so

779
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 1: that people remember some of the things that they really

780
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: didn't like about him, because keep in mind, like this

781
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 1: is not a popular man. The overwhelming majority of Americans

782
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: do not like this dude. Okay, they're not giving him

783
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt, right, they are not in

784
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: love with the idea of another Trump presidency. Yet because

785
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: he has been out of the news cycles, he's not

786
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: dominating the news cycles the way that he used to.

787
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: There's been a little bit of like a fuzzy memory

788
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: with regard to what he really is like and what

789
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: it was really like to have him as president of

790
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: the United States. So from that perspective, I'm not sure

791
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: that it really serves us interesting.

792
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 3: I just I honestly don't know. I will wait and see.

793
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:50,439
Speaker 3: I have seen.

794
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 2: Look everyone thinks, for example, I always talk about this Charlottesville.

795
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 3: Everyone's like, oh my god, Charlottesville. Guess what.

796
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 2: Charlottesville wasn't even close to the lowest level of Trump's presidency.

797
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 2: The lowest approval rating that ever got was not anything

798
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 2: to do with Charlottesville.

799
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 3: Was the Tax Cuts of Jobs.

800
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 2: Act the day that had passed, and it aligned with

801
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 2: appeals to what was it, repeal and replace Obamacare. Those

802
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 2: were probably the two single most unpopular things Trump ever

803
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 2: did as president.

804
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 3: So in terms of I don't know.

805
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 2: Honestly, I don't know, especially because the immigration situation today

806
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 2: is still so net.

807
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 3: Different than twenty twenty.

808
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,479
Speaker 2: The sheer amount of illegal mass migration the foreign born

809
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 2: population is a higher level than ever before. I mean, look,

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00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,720
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a secret. I strongly support reduced

811
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 2: illegal and illegal immigration now.

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00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 3: At this point, and I would put it to you

813
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 3: this way.

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00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 2: I think one of the eras that rhymes with current

815
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 2: America most is the nineteen twenties, like the turmoil of

816
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 2: the post World war, the crumbling of the international system,

817
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 2: America's trying to figure out what it is, depressions and

818
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 2: you know, wild spikes and the economy all of that.

819
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 2: One of the things I think that really helped with

820
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 2: calming down politics was that we had in immigration policy

821
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 2: where effectively restricted it for forty some years to allow

822
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 2: so basically an assimilation of migration that was similar levels

823
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 2: of foreign born population, and things just chilled out for

824
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 2: a little bit before we eventually returned to the nineteen

825
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 2: sixty five consensus. Is something Ryhan slam Is written about

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00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 2: in his book I forget the exact title right now.

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00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 2: I do recommend people go and read it, and I

828
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 2: think that Trump is responding to exact Now. Listen, we

829
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 2: got lucky because we had much more responsible politicians who

830
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 2: were in charge at that time. But that ethos if

831
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,720
Speaker 2: you want to go back and look, there's a reason

832
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 2: the KKK and all these organizations surged in popularity sometime

833
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 2: around that time period, and it's not a secret in

834
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 2: terms of how it could have gone in a very

835
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 2: different direction.

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Speaker 1: It's also not I mean, there's no doubt that economic

837
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: stress and a lot of cynical politicians will take that

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00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: out on immigrants and use them as gafegoats all the time.

839
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,919
Speaker 1: It's also not a secret that during that same period,

840
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,439
Speaker 1: when you talk about politics chilling out, that we had

841
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,720
Speaker 1: the new Deal, that we had, you know, a basic

842
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: social safety net. I agree, we had the middle class growing,

843
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: so we had people feeling a lot more secure in

844
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: their economic fe future, and that also is part of

845
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 1: what made politics quote unquote chill out.

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Speaker 4: So how this plays. The other thing that I point to.

847
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 1: Is that we've had multiple elections now where Republicans try

848
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: to put immigration front and center, where.

849
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Speaker 4: You have had very large.

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Speaker 1: Populations of you know, of undocumented immigrants coming to the country,

851
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: where people are saying this is a big concern for them.

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00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: Hasn't worked because there are other issues that they are

853
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,240
Speaker 1: also very concerned about, and in particular, abortion has become

854
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 1: incredibly central. But even in that midterm election with Trump,

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00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: remember the whole migrant caravan thing, and this was really

856
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Speaker 1: front and side.

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Speaker 3: That actually helps a lot of republics.

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Speaker 1: That helped in red states, yes, where it was possible

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Speaker 1: that you know, Democrats were going to be able to

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00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: pull off upsets in some red states, but it did

861
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: not help overall. Overall, you had a very good election

862
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: cycle for Democrats. So for people who are you know,

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00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: with Trump and they're you know, all in on this

864
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: issue and this is the primary focus, does it hurt

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Speaker 1: him with them?

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00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely not With the general public, I think it is

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00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: much more mixense.

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Speaker 2: It would be my case for why I think it's

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00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 2: gonna help Trump, and no matter what he says, I

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00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 2: think it would is that the migrant situation now is

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00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 2: so different and it's not. Honestly, the most genius policy

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00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 2: of the Red States came up with is ship them

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Speaker 2: to New York and ship them to Chicago and to

875
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Speaker 2: all the other sanctuaryy Look at the rhetoric coming from

876
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Speaker 2: Eric Adams. He's like pleading on his hands and knees

877
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 2: for money from the federal government because of the New

878
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 2: York City Right to shelter. And I can tell you

879
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 2: from what I understand, New York politics behind the scenes

880
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 2: is exploding over the migrant issue. You've got motels and

881
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 2: other things in places like Rochester which are overrun. You've

882
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 2: got Chicago with the same I believe the mayor of

883
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 2: Chicago said something similar as well. California always has been

884
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 2: a complete mess on this issue. But the more that

885
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 2: the Red states continue that policy, I actually think it

886
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 2: could could invite some sort of pushback. Although you know,

887
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 2: you tease this, if they do some sort of border deal,

888
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 2: things could change. The reason I don't is that the

889
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 2: Dems are holding strong on a parole issue where they

890
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 2: will not either have remained in Mexico or they're allowing

891
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 2: you know, my so called you know, asylum migrants what

892
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 2: I would say, economic migrants to be paroled into the

893
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 2: general public and to have work permits for years to come.

894
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 2: On that issue, If they're going to hold strong on that,

895
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Speaker 2: that doesn't that doesn't necessarily change the overall picture. So

896
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 2: with so many of these blue states, crystal, with so

897
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 2: many millions of people who have now been trucked in,

898
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 2: you know, from from California or from Texas, from all

899
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Speaker 2: these other places, I do think that could change this calculus.

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Speaker 1: I don't New York in particular, well, I don't think

901
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: in terms of where the politics on immigration are I

902
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: don't think there's any doubt that they've shifted hard to right.

903
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 4: I don't think there's any doubt about that.

904
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you can look at the way Biden talked

905
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: about immigration in his presidential campaign, and you can look

906
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: at the policies that he's apparently open to now, which

907
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: are a lot of Trump type policies that you know,

908
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: let's we'll save.

909
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 4: This a little bit.

910
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 1: We'll get into it a little bit more and always

911
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: talk about John Fatterman and the way that you know,

912
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: he may be emblement of the way that.

913
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 4: This has shifted hard right.

914
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: But let's talk a little bit more about the presidential

915
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: election landscape and the question over whether this type of

916
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: rhetoric and approach from Trump and him saying be a

917
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: retribution and be dictator on day one, etc. Is a

918
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: net positive or net negative for him. You have Obama

919
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:25,240
Speaker 1: now worried that Biden may not be able to get reelected.

920
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 4: Put this up on the screen.

921
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: So this was I think the Wall Street Journal actually

922
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: picked this up, but the Daily Mail sort of noticed

923
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: it and ran with the headline, Barack Obama thinks Joe

924
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: Biden could lose the White House next year. With President's

925
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: polls continuing to tank, his worries over his age and

926
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Speaker 1: cost of living crisis persist, with Donald Trump edging ahead,

927
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Speaker 1: and the polls and concerns about the President's age, immigration,

928
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: Israel policy, and economic plan denting confidence. Person described by

929
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: The Wall Street Journal as being familiar with Obama's thinking

930
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: said the former president was troubled. Obama knows this is

931
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Speaker 1: going to be a close race, the source said, and

932
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Speaker 1: feels that Democrats very well could lose the.

933
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Speaker 4: Twenty twenty four or election.

934
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Speaker 1: Any worries the alternative is pretty dangerous for democracy. You

935
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Speaker 1: would have to be an idiot at this point to

936
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Speaker 1: not be worried that Joe Biden could lose now.

937
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Speaker 4: In fairness to Obama, I think.

938
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Speaker 1: He has always doubted Joe Biden and his political abilities.

939
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Speaker 1: That's why he was so late to endorse back in

940
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty. You know, he waited to see if there

941
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Speaker 1: was anyone else, who other than Bernie, who might make

942
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Speaker 1: a run at it, and then at the very last

943
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Speaker 1: minute intervene to try to, you know, get things to

944
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: fall into place, and successfully did so for Joe Biden.

945
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: There is all that reporting about the sort of frictions

946
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Speaker 1: and tension between Obama and Biden during the Obama administration,

947
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Speaker 1: where you know, Obama's this like hyper intellectuals, smarty pants

948
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 1: type of guy, and he looked down on Joe Biden

949
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: as being sort of inferior to him from that perspective.

950
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: So in some ways those dynamics are not new. But

951
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,439
Speaker 1: Obama still has a lot of sway in the Democratic Party.

952
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: And I'm not just talking about with base voters who

953
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 1: still love him, but with the party elite. He has

954
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: been the ultimate like kingmaker and chess player. So the

955
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: fact that he's concerned at this point is noteworthy. But

956
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: of course, does that mean they're going to, like, you know,

957
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: have an open Democratic primary process to try to pick

958
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: a better candidate.

959
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 3: Doesn't look like it. Yeah, absolutely, it does not look

960
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 3: like that at all.

961
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Speaker 2: So I am very skeptical of Joe Biden's presidency obviously

962
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 2: for a lot of these reasons, and also just just

963
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 2: to highlight some of the things we were talking about,

964
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:25,760
Speaker 2: let's go and put this up there on the screen.

965
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 2: Polling wise, in every single swing state, Trump is now

966
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Speaker 2: currently leading on average forty seven to forty two in Arizona,

967
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 2: forty six to forty two, Georgia, forty nine to forty three,

968
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Speaker 2: Michigan forty six forty two, Nevada forty seven forty four.

969
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 3: North Carolina's out swing state. I don't know why they

970
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 3: put them in.

971
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 2: I know that Pennsylvania forty six to forty four, Wisconsin

972
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 2: forty five, forty one.

973
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 3: What is it? Didn't Obama win North Carolina by like

974
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 3: a hair in two thousand and we have a one

975
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 3: sent It hasn't been one.

976
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, So let's just everybody, let's resign that to some

977
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 2: crazy separate politics, at least in the interim.

978
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 3: This is bad news.

979
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 2: With the average at forty seven forty two and the

980
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 2: individual state by state polling, the only thing Biden could

981
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 2: hope for is a massive twenty twenty two style miss

982
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 2: that underestimates abortion, which I am not ruling out, but

983
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 2: that's a hell of a lot to bet on to

984
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 2: try and win the presidency.

985
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, good luck, it sure is.

986
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: And one of the things that comes out in this

987
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: poll is a lot of the falloff for Joe Biden

988
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: in recent weeks is among Democratic core constituencies, so among

989
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 1: black voters, support has dropped since October. Among young voters

990
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: between the ages of eighteen and thirty, four, there has

991
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: been a huge drop off in disappointment over the failure

992
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,720
Speaker 1: to actually execute on a widespread student loan forgiveness program,

993
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: and of course on his handling of the Israel War

994
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 1: and the unconditional support for Israel, which is dramatically at

995
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: odds with young people and very energizing for a lot

996
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: of young people who just feel this is way too

997
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: far for them to you know, not to say they're

998
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: going to vote for Donald Trump, but they may vote

999
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: for Cornell West, they may vote for Jill Stein, they

1000
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: may just not vote at all because they don't want

1001
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: to feel like they are supporting someone who is enabling

1002
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: a genocide, which I think is a very reasonable position

1003
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,280
Speaker 1: to hold. So not only has he lost the trust

1004
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 1: of a lot of swing voters, but he has lost

1005
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 1: the trust of a lot of key constituencies that need

1006
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: to turn up in droves in order to help him

1007
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: defeat Donald Trump. So not a good landscape for him

1008
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: at this point. A little bit of movement actually on

1009
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: the Republican primary side, Nikki Haley surging in a New

1010
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: Hampshire poll will show you those numbers in a second,

1011
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: but it was an interesting moment. She was on one

1012
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: of the Sunday Shows, she was getting pressed over why

1013
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: she's very, you know, kind of tapid or timid about

1014
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 1: criticizing the guy who continues to be the overwhelming front

1015
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: runner in the race, Donald Trump.

1016
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 4: Let's take a listen to that.

1017
00:47:58,400 --> 00:47:59,919
Speaker 5: You don't want me to either love him or hate

1018
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 5: it all, I ask respond to a New Hampshire voter.

1019
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 5: So I did, and I responded to him in every way,

1020
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 5: And what I said to them was anti Trumpers want

1021
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 5: me to hate him, pro Trumpers want me.

1022
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 3: To love him.

1023
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 5: But this is where I stand. There are things I

1024
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 5: agree with the President on. I had a good working

1025
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 5: relationship with him. There are things I don't agree. I

1026
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 5: don't agree with the fact that, yes, we had a

1027
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 5: good economy while he was there, but he put US

1028
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 5: eight trillion dollars in debt that our kids are never

1029
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 5: going to forgive us for. I don't agree with how

1030
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 5: he handles national security. He focused on trade with China,

1031
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 5: but he did nothing about the fentanyl flow. He did

1032
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 5: nothing about the fact that fentyl has killed so many

1033
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 5: of our Americans. I don't think you should praise HESBLA.

1034
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 5: I don't think you should criticize netnyahu Win Israel's down

1035
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 5: on our knees. I don't think you should congratulate the

1036
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 5: Chinese Communist Party on their seventieth anniversary, and.

1037
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 9: He talks about annihilating his enemies and using the criminal

1038
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 9: justice system to do so, what do you think of that?

1039
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 5: You guys are exhausting. You're exhausting in your obsession with him.

1040
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 5: The thing is, the normal people aren't obsessed with Trump

1041
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 5: like you guys are. The normal people care about the

1042
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 5: fact that they can't afford things, They feel like their

1043
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 5: freedoms are being taken away. They think government's too big.

1044
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 5: I know y'all want to talk about every single word

1045
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 5: he says and every single tweet he does. That's exactly

1046
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,879
Speaker 5: why we need a new generational leader, because people don't

1047
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 5: want to hear about every word a person says or

1048
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 5: every tweet. They want to know how you fought for

1049
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 5: them that day, and they want to know how their

1050
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 5: life is.

1051
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 3: Going to be different.

1052
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 5: And life would be a whole lot different if the

1053
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 5: media would stop this obsession with Trump.

1054
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 9: I mean, I was just asking you about his central

1055
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 9: campaign theme, which is I want you know, I am

1056
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 9: your retribution. And he's winning in the polls. That's why

1057
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 9: I'm asked, Well, it's you know, I'm asking about the

1058
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 9: leading candidate the year.

1059
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 3: He does everything he can not to talk about issues.

1060
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 10: It almost asks like he wasn't there, right, He doesn't

1061
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 10: want to talk about building the wall and securing the

1062
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 10: southern border because he didn't do it.

1063
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 4: What do you think of that?

1064
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: And by the way, that's a governor you knew of

1065
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: New Hampshire who's endors Sninky.

1066
00:49:58,160 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 3: I thought it was ridiculous.

1067
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 2: It's like you guys are upst with him, like, yeah,

1068
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 2: because he's beating your ass by fifty points in the

1069
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 2: overall GOP primary.

1070
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,240
Speaker 4: Maybe you should be more obsessed. You should be more.

1071
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 2: Obsessed with Actually, I mean, look, like you said at

1072
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 2: the same time, she's actually not doing so badly in

1073
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,879
Speaker 2: New Hampshire. We can put that up there on the screen.

1074
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 2: Our graphics team did a great job with this. You

1075
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 2: can see here in New Hampshire that Trump is currently

1076
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 2: at forty four, Nikki Haley at twenty nine, DeSantis at eleven,

1077
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 2: Christia ten, Ramaswami at five, Hutchison at one. I didn't

1078
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 2: even know he's there, was still running obviously, but that

1079
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 2: does show you that look and it makes sense Trump.

1080
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 2: If there is a anti Trump constituency, it is broken

1081
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 2: up amongst all these little candidates. Nikki, I actually think

1082
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 2: is the best case for an anti Trump candidate, because

1083
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,879
Speaker 2: that's around where it should sit. Twenty nine percent people

1084
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 2: who are Neil Khan in traditional you know, honestly, just

1085
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 2: like the old school Mitt Romney style boomers. That's around

1086
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 2: where the support would look like between twenty and forty

1087
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 2: especially in a state like New Hampshire, which has got

1088
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 2: people like Jeane Shaheen who represent them, but the overwhelming

1089
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 2: or at least plurality in this case our Trump asked

1090
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 2: or Trump's style with Destantas and Ramaswami support in them.

1091
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Speaker 2: I would also say there's a lot of talk right

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Speaker 2: now Chris sol like, oh, Christy should drop out and

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00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 2: throw all of the support to Nicki Haley and then

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00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,359
Speaker 2: maybe she could beat Trump. In New Hampshire. We've seen

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Speaker 2: consistently that the second choice for a lot of these candidates.

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Speaker 3: Is also Trump.

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Speaker 2: There's no evidence to support that the vast majority of

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Speaker 2: the support would go there.

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Speaker 1: Although Christy best case, I was going to say, with

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Speaker 1: Chris Christy, I would think that you would have the

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00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: best possibility of most of his support flowing to probably

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Speaker 1: Nikki Haley. And you know, we could look at polling

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00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: and see who the top second choice for.

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00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 4: His for his voters is.

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Speaker 1: But you know, New Hampshire is very different from a

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00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: lot of the other states. For one thing, you know,

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00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: they do have this sort of like muttered independent streak.

1108
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,720
Speaker 1: For another thing, actually independence can vote in this primary,

1109
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: and many of them probably will since there isn't that

1110
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: much of a contest on the Democratic side, because the

1111
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: Democrats have decided not to really have much of a

1112
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: contest on the demok side. So that's part of why

1113
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: she's doing well in this state. And one of the

1114
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: things that was interesting in this CBS poll is they

1115
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,240
Speaker 1: pulled Iowa and they pulled New Hampshire, and the picture

1116
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: is very different.

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00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 4: In Iowa.

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Speaker 1: The fact that Nikki has been perceived as a sort

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00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: of like moderate on Trump is a major downfall for

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00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 1: her there. It's a major impediment for her there. The

1121
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 1: fact that she's tried to moderate some on abortion has

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00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: been a major impediment for her in Iowa. Those are

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00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 1: things that are all boosting her in New Hampshire. These

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00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 1: are two very different populations. A couple other things that

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00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 1: I just thought were interesting in terms of her potential upside.

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00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: If I'm going to try to make the case for

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00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,760
Speaker 1: Nicki Haley here in New Hampshire. So she actually tied

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00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 1: Trump when they asked who is prepared to be president?

1129
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 1: She and Trump had the top numbers. I think they

1130
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 1: both had like fifty seven percent or something like that.

1131
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: But she did well on that metric and matched him.

1132
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,720
Speaker 1: She was described fifty five percent described her as likable.

1133
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 1: She was top on that quality over DeSantis was at

1134
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: thirty seven. Trump was at thirty six. So people said

1135
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: they liked her, they felt like she was prepared. You

1136
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: had fifty one percent, so a majority saying that she

1137
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: was reasonable quote versus six percent for Trump. Trump had

1138
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: the edge though when it came to being seen as

1139
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,479
Speaker 1: a strong leader and being the most electable. That one

1140
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: was really interesting to me because you know, it's not

1141
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: what the polls reflect. The polls reflect that Trump is

1142
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 1: in good position to beat Joe Biden. But actually some

1143
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:26,439
Speaker 1: of the poles that have come out have shown Nikki

1144
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: Haley with even more of an edge over Joe Biden

1145
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 1: because she doesn't come with a lot of the Trump

1146
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: baggage and isn't saying things like, you know, immigrants are

1147
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 1: poisoning the blood of the nation.

1148
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, but.

1149
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: The Republican primary electorate sees Trump overwhelmingly as the candidate

1150
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: to beat Joe Biden. They think he's the guy who

1151
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: has the best shot at it. So, you know, to

1152
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 1: the extent that that was ever one of the big

1153
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: concerns for a Republican electorate in one of the cases

1154
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: that Ron De Santis, for example, was making, it seems

1155
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: that seems to have not worked out for them.

1156
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Speaker 3: No, certainly.

1157
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 2: And also you know, on the Disanta side, the implosion

1158
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 2: of his tire operation is really something to behold. I mean,

1159
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 2: I still honestly can't believe it with the resignation of

1160
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:09,399
Speaker 2: the never Back Down chairman Jeff Rowe, who ran ted

1161
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 2: Cruz's campaign Crystal and who really engineered a lot.

1162
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 3: Of the Iowa win, he's resigning.

1163
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 2: And we've also remember we had the stories that we

1164
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 2: played here previously about DeSantis in open war with his

1165
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 2: own super pack, Like their inability to get donors to

1166
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 2: have a tight like run an actual tight ship, have

1167
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 2: a robust campaign infrastructure is really like a catastrophic complosion,

1168
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 2: which is Jeb level I think for what's coming.

1169
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's wild said since the day before Thanksgiving, I think,

1170
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: did we put this up on the screen that we've

1171
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: got the element the pro Desanta super pac which is

1172
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: called Never Back Down, which, by the way, they were

1173
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 1: going to try to run their campaign different and basically

1174
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 1: Never back Down was going to be the campaign.

1175
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 4: Most of the money was going to reside.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of the strategy was going to

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Speaker 1: come from there, even things like paying for on the

1178
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: ground organized. They had this like, oh, we're going to

1179
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: revolutionize the way campaigns are operated and funded, et cetera.

1180
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Speaker 4: That has not worked out.

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Speaker 1: So since Thanksgiving you had the resignation of one chief executive,

1182
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 1: resignation of one board chairman, the firing of a second

1183
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 1: chief executive along with two other top officials, and now

1184
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,879
Speaker 1: you have the late night quitting of Jeff Row. All

1185
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: have come after massive infighting and finger pointing. As mister

1186
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: DeSantis has slipped in the polls RO put down statement

1187
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: on x formally Twitter that said I can't believe it

1188
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: ended this way, And you know this came after some

1189
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: internal recriminations, etc. But you know, this is what happens

1190
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 1: when you're losing people place blame, they point fingers, they

1191
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: get angry.

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00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 4: At each other, they throw each other under the bus.

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Speaker 1: And so the fact that there is turmoil in the

1194
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: Rhonda Santis super Pac world, I think it's just emblematic

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Speaker 1: of how his campaign is going overall.

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Speaker 3: I think you are absolutely right.

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Speaker 2: At the same time, let's turn to Ukraine' some really

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Speaker 2: disturbing stories that are coming out, really the truth beginning

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Speaker 2: to emerge about Ukraine's manpower problems. Let's go ahead and

1200
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,760
Speaker 2: put this up there on the screen by genuinely courageous

1201
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Speaker 2: reporter Thomas gibbons Neff, who's previously been banned by Ukraine

1202
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,839
Speaker 2: from reporting about the realities on the ground. Gibbonsneff here

1203
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:13,879
Speaker 2: Crystal reports a full fledged quote people snatching campaign by

1204
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 2: Ukrainian recruiters to use to fill the ranks of conscription

1205
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 2: and recruitment depots.

1206
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 3: So here's what he writes. Quote recruiters have.

1207
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 2: Confiscated passports, taken people from their jobs, and at least

1208
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 2: one case, tried to send mentally disabled person to military training.

1209
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 2: According to lawyers, activists, and Ukrainian men who have been

1210
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Speaker 2: subjected to coercive tactics, there are now videos of soldiers

1211
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 2: shoving people into cars, holding men against their will in

1212
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 2: recruiting centers that are surfacing with increasing frequency on social media.

1213
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 2: We had some, but we didn't feel confident enough in

1214
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 2: their veracity to play them. But at the very least,

1215
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 2: a lot of these videos are going viral inside of Ukraine,

1216
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 2: and it highlights the intense manpower problems that they have.

1217
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 2: I would combine this story with one that I brought

1218
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 2: in my monologue on Thursday about Ukraine, Zelenski admitting to

1219
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:09,359
Speaker 2: the US Congress that to continue the war effort, he's

1220
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 2: likely going to have to expand conscription to men over

1221
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 2: the age of forty years old. And in one case

1222
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 2: they actually describe here a fifty eight year old taxi

1223
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 2: driver who quote feared retribution, said the recruiters showed up,

1224
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 2: took his passport, returned it only after he showed up

1225
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Speaker 2: for his medical screening. He's describing it as quote lawlessness.

1226
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 2: So what they're doing is they take your passport away.

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Speaker 2: You can't if you want to retrieve your passport, you

1228
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 2: have to go to the recruitment depot and they make

1229
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Speaker 2: you sign the papers for force conscription. And in many

1230
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Speaker 2: small towns across Ukraine. Many of the people who have

1231
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Speaker 2: been forcibly conscripted have unfortunately died on the front line

1232
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Speaker 2: already after only several months in the military, which is

1233
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,479
Speaker 2: having a chilling effect because a lot of people don't

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00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 2: want to serve.

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Speaker 3: So you have two problems.

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00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 2: One, six hundred and some thousand Ukrainian prime age males

1237
00:57:58,200 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 2: have fled the country.

1238
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Speaker 3: They don't want to fight period.

1239
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 2: Everybody left basically subject to being kidnapped by the government

1240
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 2: and thrown you into conscription, which at this point I

1241
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 2: think manpower is their single biggest problem. You will and

1242
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Speaker 2: I were discussing, want to float a credit to our

1243
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 2: friend Yegor who flagged this for us. There's a report

1244
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 2: coming out from the deputy of the ruling servant of

1245
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 2: the People Party that said that Ukraine is preparing for

1246
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 2: general mobilization, including a bill proposing to mobilize women to

1247
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 2: serve in defense enterprises and voluntarily to serve at the

1248
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 2: front under contract, I mean voluntarily doing a lot of

1249
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 2: work there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they've already required women who have certain skills,

1251
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 1: in particular in the medical profession and pharmaceutical to register

1252
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: for conscription. So this would be you know, potentially expanding

1253
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Speaker 1: that and there are a lot of you know, there's

1254
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 1: obviously a lot of very domestic concern over what that's

1255
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 1: going to mean.

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Speaker 4: They previously close the borders.

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Speaker 1: And that has remained for military aged men, so a

1258
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: lot of women wondering if that is going to follow

1259
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: for them as well. This story is heartbreaking about the

1260
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: quote unquote people snatchers, and what comes out is not

1261
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: only have you had you know, devastating losses and casualties

1262
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: high numbers, so that obviously there's a loss of men,

1263
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: so there's a need to recruit more men and bring

1264
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 1: in more men. There's also because of that and because

1265
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: the war's not going well. It was one thing in

1266
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: the beginning, people wanted to sign up for the cause.

1267
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Speaker 1: There was a huge surge in recruitment because people wanted

1268
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Speaker 1: to be part of a winning war effort. Now the

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00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 1: Zelenski you know, propaganda efforts have sort of faltered. They

1270
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: can see the distance between how things are actually going

1271
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:35,919
Speaker 1: and how it's been portrayed to them, so that has

1272
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 1: dampened enthusiasm for getting involved in this. And the other

1273
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: piece is massive corruption. So people who are wealthy they

1274
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 1: pay off their recruiters and recruiters go to a doctor.

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Speaker 1: This is all reported out in this piece. They go

1276
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 1: to a doctor, They'll get them to write up a

1277
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: medical exemption and boom, you're good to go. So they

1278
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 1: have a quote here from one Key based lawyer who's

1279
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 1: been representing some of the individuals who been wrongly or

1280
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 1: who are saying they were wrongly drafted, said, it's a

1281
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 1: war for poor people because those anybody who doesn't have

1282
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: the means to pay, those are the ones who are

1283
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 1: being snatched up and sent to the front lines. So

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Speaker 1: it is, it is truly heartbreaking.

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Speaker 4: And you know, we're.

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01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 1: About to talk about the AID situation, and I just

1287
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 1: I think that our approach to this has been disgusting

1288
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 1: because we've given them enough weapons to give them hope,

1289
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 1: We've given them enough to basically like stay in and

1290
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 1: fight to the last man. And yet you know we

1291
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 1: have we blocked piece at the beginning. You know, we

1292
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 1: are now likely to suspend AID altogether. I don't even

1293
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 1: know what you do at this point, because Russia has

1294
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 1: no interest in doing any sort of deal at this

1295
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 1: point because they're in such a strong position. So I'm

1296
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 1: just thoroughly disgusted by our political class. I'm thoroughly disgusted

1297
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 1: by our media class, by the fact that you couldn't

1298
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 1: even have these discussions until right now, and they're they

1299
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: are in a horrific situation.

1300
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Speaker 4: At the moment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's highlight some of that. So let's put this

1302
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 2: up there and again. These are the voices of Ukrainian

1303
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 2: marines and soldiers from the front line who are saying

1304
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 2: on the record that they are quote, engaged in a

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Speaker 2: suicide mission on the Denipro River, And one I really

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Speaker 2: want to read is about this is that quote. For

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Speaker 2: two months, the Marine Corps has been spearheading in as

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Speaker 2: Salt across the river in the southern region of Kursan

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Speaker 2: to recapture territory. The operation is the latest in the

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Speaker 2: flagging counter offensive. Soldiers and marines who have taken part

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Speaker 2: in this river crossing describe it as brutalizing and futile.

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Speaker 2: Waves of Ukrainian troops struck down on the river banks

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Speaker 2: or in the water before they even reach the other side.

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Speaker 3: Conditions are so difficult.

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Speaker 2: Half dozen men involved in the fighting said in the

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Speaker 2: interviews there is nowhere to dig in that there are,

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Speaker 2: and including bodies that are rotting in the mud. And

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Speaker 2: in the river for a period of now two months,

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Speaker 2: dead marines that have just been laying there because they're

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Speaker 2: unable to be retrieved from intense shelling. That is straight

1321
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Speaker 2: out of Passiondale and of the First World War. I've

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01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:06,919
Speaker 2: even visited some of these places, some of their graveyards,

1323
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Speaker 2: where you'll go there and there's just graves randomly scattered

1324
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Speaker 2: in a field, and I was like, what's going on here,

1325
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Speaker 2: And they're like, oh, this was a mud pit, and

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Speaker 2: we don't even know who died here because we didn't

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Speaker 2: reclaim until nine months later, so we just put up

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Speaker 2: a bunch of crosses. That's what we're dealing with here

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Speaker 2: now inside of Ukraine. And really what they talk about

1330
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Speaker 2: is that in this case, they specifically went on the

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Speaker 2: record because they said that Zelenski and other defense officials

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Speaker 2: quote recently suggested that marines have gained a foothold on

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Speaker 2: the eastern bank. These marines say, quote, there are no positions.

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Speaker 2: There is no such thing as an observation post or position.

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Speaker 2: It is impossible to gain a foothold there. It is

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Speaker 2: impossible to move equipment there. It is not even a

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Speaker 2: fight for survival. It is a suicide mission.

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Speaker 3: Period.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is a commander who put on the

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Speaker 2: record to the New York Times here for one reason,

1341
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 2: he wants to stop the and I can guarantee you

1342
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 2: he's probably only going to face retribution as a result

1343
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 2: of this, when all he's trying to do is save

1344
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 2: himself and all of his men who are being brutally killed,

1345
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 2: you know, in this defensive and this is the reality.

1346
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 2: Now you've got the manpower problems on top of the

1347
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 2: tactics and the way that they want to fight. This

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Speaker 2: is what they want us to try and continue to fund.

1349
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Speaker 2: And it's just so obvious that it is not only

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Speaker 2: not going to work, but at the very best, you

1351
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 2: are just bleeding the poorest people who can't afford to

1352
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Speaker 2: bribe their way out of getting into the draft. And

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Speaker 2: now like mentally disabled people who have an actual medical

1354
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Speaker 2: exemption and are still being forced into conscription. I made

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Speaker 2: the reference last time, like the Hitler Volkstrom policy of

1356
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 2: calling up like really old men and thirteen year old

1357
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Speaker 2: boys to defend the fatherland.

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Speaker 3: They're not that far away from that right now. They're

1359
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Speaker 3: really not.

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Speaker 2: And this religious highlights too, where they're asking for more ammunitions,

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Speaker 2: artillery and weapons to just continue to fight this way.

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Speaker 2: So let's put this up there on the screen. This

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Speaker 2: is about really two weeks of reality for Zelenski. Number one,

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Speaker 2: his visit to Washington, where you know, he did not

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01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 2: get the aid that he wanted. It's possible they may

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Speaker 2: still get more. But there also was in a fifty

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Speaker 2: billion dollar appropriation from the European Union which was rejected

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Speaker 2: by Hungary, which stopped some of the flow of future

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Speaker 2: aid to Ukraine. There's a splintering in international and global

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Speaker 2: support now in economics support, and it just again raises

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Speaker 2: a question of like what are you even going to

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Speaker 2: use the money for to continue this to what possible

1373
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 2: benefit is this to your country and to our country?

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Speaker 3: Zero?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm there are no good solutions. I think that's

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Speaker 1: the bottom line answer. And all I can keep thinking

1377
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 1: is when you're in a whole stop digging. You know,

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Speaker 1: if we continue this policy of like dribbling out aid

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Speaker 1: to enable them to you know, send their young men,

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Speaker 1: and now there are older men and now potentially they're

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Speaker 1: women to fight and die in the trenches with basically

1382
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 1: no hope of being able to secure a victory, Like

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01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:04,959
Speaker 1: you're only going to end up in an even worse

1384
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 1: position down the road for any sort of a negotiated settlement.

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Speaker 4: So it's an utter disaster.

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Speaker 1: With regard to Zelenski's trip at the White House, they

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Speaker 1: say Biden was forced to downgrade the US's pledge from

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Speaker 1: supporting Kiev for as long as it takes to supplying

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Speaker 1: the country with weapons as long as we can.

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Speaker 4: And keep in mind, let's say they get this package through.

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Speaker 1: You know, Republicans are eager enough to get their border deal,

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Speaker 1: and everybody apparently is eager enough to get their Israel money,

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01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 1: and so Ukraine gets another tranch of funding.

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Speaker 4: What then?

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Speaker 3: What then?

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Speaker 1: You've got a presidential election around the corner where it

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01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 1: looks damn well likely that Donald Trump could be coming

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Speaker 1: back to the White House. And if you think that

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Speaker 1: he's going to continue this, I think that's.

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Speaker 4: Very very unlikely.

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Speaker 1: So it's nothing but grim scenarios and grim possibilities from

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Speaker 1: here on out with Ukraine.

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01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, it's nothing looks good in terms of what

1404
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 2: their future is. We also highlighted to the Russian response

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01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 2: where they currently are probably less likely to pursue a

1406
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 2: deal in terms of what Putin and all of them

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01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 2: said because they're like, listen, what.

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01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 3: Are you guys going to do?

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Speaker 2: And it's a geopolitical reality where the current cope that

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01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 2: I see is, oh, if we've just given them the

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Speaker 2: planes and all this stuff in the first place, and

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Speaker 2: they would have won and we would never have been

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Speaker 2: in this position.

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Speaker 3: I actually don't think that's true at all.

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Speaker 2: They've been incompetent in all of their employed use of

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Speaker 2: Western style tactics and technology on the battlefield, which is

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Speaker 2: why they're throwing guys into a river and making them

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Speaker 2: die like it's World War One. That's what they know

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Speaker 2: how to do, and that's fine. But in a world

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Speaker 2: where constraints exist for our a to Ukraine like F

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01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 2: sixteens and long range missiles, where it could spark a

1422
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Speaker 2: broader war, then this was the inevitable outcome, which is

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Speaker 2: why peace deal itself was always the best policy.

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Speaker 3: April twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 2: Now you've got who knows, maybe half a million dead,

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Speaker 2: nobody knows what the real number is, or at least

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Speaker 2: dead and wounded inside of Ukraine. You've got diminishing manpower,

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Speaker 2: you've got basically zero industry of their own, and the

1429
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Speaker 2: Kremlin is revved up for war production and they don't

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Speaker 2: care at all. So honestly, the worst case Mario was

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Speaker 2: actually more likely I think today than ever before.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean on the other side, like, I actually

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Speaker 1: do have more sympathy now though for that idea of Hey,

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Speaker 1: if we're gonna block them from doing a peace deal

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Speaker 1: early on, you better give them everything you can to

1436
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Speaker 1: give them at least a fighting chance of actually securing

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Speaker 1: some kind of a meaningful gain and meaningful victory. They

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Speaker 1: had momentum at the beginning. The Russians were a chaotic,

1439
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 1: disastrous mess. They hadn't been able to spin up their

1440
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Speaker 1: war production. You know, everything was going awry in the

1441
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Speaker 1: field for them. Now they have become a much more

1442
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 1: effective fighting force at this point, and they've been able

1443
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 1: to spin up their industrial domestic production.

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Speaker 4: So I agree with you, Sager. Do I think it

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Speaker 4: would have worked.

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Speaker 1: Probably not, but in a lot of In one sense,

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Speaker 1: we've really ended up with like the worst of all

1448
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Speaker 1: worlds for them, because we've bled them out and given

1449
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Speaker 1: them no possibility of any sort of victory.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, the reason we opposed the other approach of going

1452
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 1: all in was because of the very real risk of

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Speaker 1: a broader war between two nuclear arms superpower, which was

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Speaker 1: a risk that I always found wholly unacceptable. Is why

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01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 1: I post that position from the jump. But I do

1456
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 1: think that the people who were like, we got to

1457
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:08,480
Speaker 1: go all in with them if we were going to

1458
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 1: block the peace deal, you know what, that was the

1459
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 1: like correct moral and strategic position to take at that point.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree, And it's obvious. Now, however, will

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Speaker 2: they change their tune? No, they certainly.

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Speaker 1: Want all right, So let's talk a little bit about

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Speaker 1: our friend, Senator John Fetterman, your friend what was not

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01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 1: my friend anymore?

1465
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Speaker 4: So put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: Senator Fetterman, who has become very aggressively pro Israel, like

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Speaker 1: one of the most pro Israel members of the Senate,

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Speaker 1: just gave an interview in which he also broke with

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Speaker 1: the left on immigration, and he told NBC News quote unquote,

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Speaker 1: I am not a progressive.

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Speaker 4: Really. It's very interesting because that is not.

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Speaker 1: At all what you've been saying for the entirety of

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01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 1: your political career since you burst on the scene in

1474
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:05,959
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania where you wrapped yourselves yourself when it was convenient

1475
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:09,000
Speaker 1: in Bernie Sanders and endorsed him in twenty sixteen and

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01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:11,840
Speaker 1: called yourself, you know, progressive routinely, especially when you're asking

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Speaker 1: for money.

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Speaker 4: I'll give you some of those examples in a moment.

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Speaker 1: But even on an immigration piece, this is a total

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Speaker 1: one point eighty from the way that he campaigned, and

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Speaker 1: noteworthy because his own wife is actually an undocumented immigrant

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Speaker 1: from Brazil. Here's one of the campaign ads that he

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01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 1: ran when he was sounding a very different note on

1484
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Speaker 1: the topic.

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Speaker 4: Take a listen.

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Speaker 11: I'm proud of my wife, Jizelle's origin story, and I'm

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Speaker 11: so grateful for the sacrifices that her mother made all

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Speaker 11: those years ago to come to this country looking for

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Speaker 11: a better life, because if they didn't, I wouldn't have

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Speaker 11: the incredible family that I have now and the partner

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Speaker 11: that I have in Gizelle. The Statue of Liberty says,

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01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 11: send us your poor, huddled masses, and as long as

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Speaker 11: we remain true to that original sentiment, America will continue

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01:09:57,160 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 11: to grow and prosper because immigration makes America America. We

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01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 11: diminish ourselves and are never more Unamerican when we eliminate

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Speaker 11: citizenship for those that just simply want to contribute and

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Speaker 11: be a part of our great country.

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Speaker 1: So, like I said, very different from the tone he

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Speaker 1: is striking now on immigration. And this is all, of course,

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Speaker 1: in the context of this potential aid bill, which absurdly

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01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 1: ties together Israel, Ukraine and tougher border enforcement policies. Fetterman

1502
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 1: signaling to NBC News that he is very open even

1503
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 1: to the toughest of those increased enforcement border policies, which

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01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 1: is really different from the way he campaigned and what

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01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 1: he said in the past on this issue.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, we especially have to highlight and this is part

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01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 2: of why I get annoyed about the conflation of immigrant

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01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:49,680
Speaker 2: and we don't apply the proper rhetoric here. She was

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01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 2: an a legal immigrant now I guess she was brought

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01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:54,840
Speaker 2: here by her mother whenever she was a child, but

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01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 2: is a direct recipient of an amnesty policy from the

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01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:02,639
Speaker 2: Bush administration, gaining her green card in two thousand and four,

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01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 2: becoming a US citizen eventually in two thousand and nine.

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Speaker 2: So that is why I think his comments are especially

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01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:14,040
Speaker 2: noteworthy because he's not talking about immigration. He's talking specifically

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Speaker 2: about illegal immigration, of which his wife literally was the

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01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 2: beneficiary of said policy, and he's changing his tune. I

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01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:22,720
Speaker 2: have no problem with that, because that's the policy that

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01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:24,519
Speaker 2: I support. I don't even think his wife should be

1521
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:27,719
Speaker 2: allowed to have citizenship, but that's the secondary question because

1522
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:30,360
Speaker 2: it's done now. But I think it does highlight Crystal

1523
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 2: for your point about something that I personally hate, which

1524
01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 2: is taking advantage of political constituencies when convenient and then

1525
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:40,760
Speaker 2: turning upon a dime. And with this guy, he was

1526
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:43,640
Speaker 2: a Bernie Sanders like progressive type person when it was

1527
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:47,040
Speaker 2: convenient and he was running against Connor Lamb, and I mean,

1528
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 2: you remember that the Democratic establishment was totally pro Lamb.

1529
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 2: They only came to him after they saw how much

1530
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 2: he won in the prime and really after he won

1531
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 2: his election that they were able to reconcile themselves. But

1532
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 2: now it's like his change completely on a dime. I honestly,

1533
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:04,680
Speaker 2: I don't know what to make of his thing. I

1534
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:07,599
Speaker 2: personally just think like it's obvious that the money played

1535
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 2: a huge role here on the Israel side, based on

1536
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:12,880
Speaker 2: Ryan's book. On the immigration side too. I think he's

1537
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 2: trying to save his ass, like Eric Adams and all

1538
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:18,480
Speaker 2: these other Democrats because Pennsylvania is a you know, Pennsylvania

1539
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:20,200
Speaker 2: is not a red state per se, but it's a

1540
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:20,639
Speaker 2: swing state.

1541
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:21,479
Speaker 3: It's certain state.

1542
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:22,880
Speaker 4: But he does need to.

1543
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 1: I mean, he has pissed off progressives so much, especially

1544
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 1: on Israel. I have to say the immigration comments are new,

1545
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:32,400
Speaker 1: but that's certainly going to piss.

1546
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:35,360
Speaker 4: People off as well. That he does actually have to worry.

1547
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 1: I think about a primary challenge in the state of

1548
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania and on the immigration front. Like it's a long

1549
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:43,600
Speaker 1: time before he has to face reelection, so to be

1550
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:47,280
Speaker 1: making this hard pivot right now, it really is a

1551
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:49,799
Speaker 1: head scratcher. And just to give you some of the proof,

1552
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 1: because there are a lot of people put this up

1553
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:55,400
Speaker 1: on the screen who were like, hey, this individual says, funny,

1554
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 1: he was a progressive when he was asking me for

1555
01:12:57,479 --> 01:13:00,680
Speaker 1: my effing money and posted a bunch of examples. I mean,

1556
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:03,759
Speaker 1: these were not hard to find. He's retweeting. His tweeting

1557
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:07,839
Speaker 1: is Bernie's support. Retweet if you're standing with these progressive champions,

1558
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 1: he says, with a picture of Bernie, a picture of him.

1559
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:13,599
Speaker 1: Progressive rhetoric is great, but progressive results are one hundred,

1560
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:16,920
Speaker 1: he tweeted. He tweeted, also, we have started a progressive

1561
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:20,320
Speaker 1: movement here in Pennsylvania. So gee, I wonder John Fetterman,

1562
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 1: where people got the idea that you were a progressive

1563
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:25,600
Speaker 1: with consistently progressive principles.

1564
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 4: Now what the hell happened here?

1565
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:28,519
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1566
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 1: I mean, did the Strokes chake something loose? Possible? But

1567
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:34,720
Speaker 1: I think you're right Zager that the best indication we

1568
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 1: have is what happened with Israel. He made an incredibly

1569
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:42,719
Speaker 1: politically cynical and expedient decision with regard to Israel policy.

1570
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 1: Ryan Grimm reported it out. Basically, he saw that a

1571
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:50,120
Speaker 1: pack money in a pack affiliated money was coming into

1572
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:53,599
Speaker 1: these democratic primary races aggressively on the side of anyone

1573
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:57,320
Speaker 1: who had any dissenting word on Israel and Palestine, and

1574
01:13:57,360 --> 01:13:59,719
Speaker 1: so he went to them himself and was like, Okay,

1575
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 1: here's my position. Is this good enough? They're like, no,

1576
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 1: you need to make this change, in this change.

1577
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:04,719
Speaker 4: In this change.

1578
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:07,360
Speaker 1: She's like, okay, done, here's where it is. And he

1579
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:11,599
Speaker 1: ran with that, and it has now aggressively leaned into that.

1580
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:15,720
Speaker 1: So I have to think this is all cynical political maneuvering.

1581
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 1: Is it intelligent cynical political maneuvering? That part is not

1582
01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:22,719
Speaker 1: so clear to me, because, like I said that, there,

1583
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:27,160
Speaker 1: you know, there is a sizable progressive movement, organized movement

1584
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 1: in the state of Pennsylvania. And I do think that

1585
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:34,240
Speaker 1: he is becoming like Kirsten Cinema or Joe Manchin level

1586
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:38,679
Speaker 1: of hated by plenty of progressives in the Democratic base,

1587
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 1: especially among young people. So you know, it's not just

1588
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:44,880
Speaker 1: the general election that I think he would ultimately have

1589
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 1: to worry about here if he continues in this direction,

1590
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:51,200
Speaker 1: but just the political cynicism here and the denying that

1591
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 1: the posturing like you never presented yourself as a progressive.

1592
01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:56,519
Speaker 1: If you've had a genuine evolution, you want to explain

1593
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 1: how you came there. Okay, fine, Like I may still

1594
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:03,080
Speaker 1: believe that it's political, but at least you can acknowledge.

1595
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 4: That this is a shift.

1596
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:05,360
Speaker 1: But he's just pretending like, oh, this is who I've

1597
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 1: always been, and it's complete non sense.

1598
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:09,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think it's personally. Listen, I tried

1599
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:12,160
Speaker 2: to tell you guys the dressing thing. It wasn't about

1600
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:14,400
Speaker 2: the connecting to the people. He's a narcissist and it's

1601
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:17,160
Speaker 2: all about egoism. Viere just I would just say, I

1602
01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 2: mean Cinema and Fetterman, the two worst dresses, Yeah, are

1603
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:23,519
Speaker 2: the two biggest narcissists.

1604
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:26,120
Speaker 1: Two most cynical political operators. And you know, if you're

1605
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:29,559
Speaker 1: happy with his positions now on this like, he is

1606
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 1: going to just go wherever it is most politically convenient

1607
01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 1: for him, Wherever the campaign donations are the richest, that's

1608
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:38,679
Speaker 1: where he's going to position. And that's what we saw

1609
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:43,040
Speaker 1: with Cinema as an example here. But yeah, it's it's

1610
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:45,559
Speaker 1: pretty wild to watch this all unfolding in real time.

1611
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:48,600
Speaker 2: Tried to tell you, all right, let's move on to

1612
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 2: the I don't even know how to set this up.

1613
01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 3: Let's just put it this way.

1614
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 2: There is a Senate staffer who was engaged in some

1615
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:56,640
Speaker 2: pretty crazy conduct.

1616
01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 3: Let's go and put this up there on the screen.

1617
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:03,439
Speaker 2: So my old colleagues, my old friend Henry Roger, reports

1618
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:06,160
Speaker 2: this story. This is definitely not safe for work though,

1619
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:10,559
Speaker 2: for everybody who's watching. Senate Stafford has taught filming a

1620
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:14,839
Speaker 2: graphic gay sex tape in a Senate hearing room, posing

1621
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:19,560
Speaker 2: both in amateur pornography images that he distributed on Instagram

1622
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:23,880
Speaker 2: and amongst a group chat of fellow gay staffers on

1623
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:28,440
Speaker 2: Capitol Hill, in addition to posting video of himself engaged

1624
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:33,320
Speaker 2: in a gay sexual act while he was while he.

1625
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:34,720
Speaker 3: Was in the Senate hearing room.

1626
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:39,439
Speaker 2: Now, this hearing room is the Senate Judiciary Room, of

1627
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:42,479
Speaker 2: which he actually worked for Senator Ben Carden and had

1628
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:45,799
Speaker 2: access to this room as a high level staffer, largely

1629
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:51,800
Speaker 2: because this is open previously to things like Sonya Sotomayor's

1630
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 2: hearing room, the James Comy testimony, and it's also one

1631
01:16:56,040 --> 01:17:00,720
Speaker 2: that he posted about on his private Instagram. Anyway, this

1632
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:04,479
Speaker 2: was I was telling our editorial team the number of

1633
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:08,080
Speaker 2: people who have sent me a gay pornography of this gentleman,

1634
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 2: please stop, because my phone is now full of gay

1635
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:13,679
Speaker 2: porn of this man.

1636
01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:16,639
Speaker 3: And I don't want to see this man's ass ever. Again.

1637
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:19,320
Speaker 2: I've seen so much of it now at this point,

1638
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:21,559
Speaker 2: and largely it was people who worked with him on

1639
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:23,439
Speaker 2: Capitol Hill and they were like, you got to put

1640
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:25,639
Speaker 2: this out there. I'm like, I'm sorry, enough has been

1641
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:28,880
Speaker 2: done at this point. What I find personally humorous is

1642
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:31,240
Speaker 2: this gentleman's defense of himself.

1643
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:33,280
Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen. His name

1644
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:33,799
Speaker 3: is Aiden.

1645
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:37,760
Speaker 2: I'm going to go with Mace Kruzepski. Anyway, Here's what

1646
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 2: he says on LinkedIn, which is also amazing. This has

1647
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:43,200
Speaker 2: been a difficult time for me, as I have been

1648
01:17:43,240 --> 01:17:47,240
Speaker 2: attacked for who I love to pursue a political attend right.

1649
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:49,880
Speaker 2: While some of my actions in the past have shown

1650
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:53,639
Speaker 2: poor judgment, some I love my job would never.

1651
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 3: Disrespect my workplace.

1652
01:17:55,520 --> 01:18:00,160
Speaker 2: Any attempts to characterize my actions otherwise are fabricated, and

1653
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:03,360
Speaker 2: I will be exploring what legal options are available to

1654
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 2: me in these matters. As for accusations regarding Congressman Max Miller,

1655
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:09,599
Speaker 2: I have never seen the congressman had no opportunity to cause,

1656
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:10,559
Speaker 2: yell or confront an.

1657
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 3: So there was a dual controversy.

1658
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 2: So the other part of the controversy was that aiden

1659
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:19,760
Speaker 2: this staffer was a staffer who yelled at a congressman

1660
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:24,280
Speaker 2: Free Palestine, who was a pro Israel congressman. They had

1661
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:27,040
Speaker 2: named him anonymously, but nobody knows who was actually him,

1662
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:30,360
Speaker 2: Max Miller has Max Miller has not confirmed that it

1663
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:32,600
Speaker 2: was him. At this point, I have no idea. I mean,

1664
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:35,280
Speaker 2: he rejects it. Nobody else seems to have any information

1665
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:37,960
Speaker 2: of the contrary. Well, we certainly do have information to

1666
01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:43,240
Speaker 2: is how this gentleman was conducting himself very openly. What

1667
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:46,760
Speaker 2: I find astounding about this guy is that this was

1668
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:49,759
Speaker 2: not a single incident. As I said, I've got plenty

1669
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:53,240
Speaker 2: of examples right here that have been going on for months,

1670
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:55,479
Speaker 2: and it was out in the open, I mean, posting

1671
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:59,559
Speaker 2: on his Instagram and even sharing like with dozens of

1672
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:03,680
Speaker 2: fellow Capitol Hill Capitol Hill staffers.

1673
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:05,839
Speaker 4: But other things happening in the Capitol or yeah.

1674
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:07,640
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I mean, I've got some photos here

1675
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 2: on this firstime.

1676
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:11,240
Speaker 3: I meant the funniest one.

1677
01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:14,240
Speaker 2: I'm just gonnay, there's no allegation behind This is him

1678
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:14,760
Speaker 2: in the Senate.

1679
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 3: I could literally have it. Here is of.

1680
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:19,599
Speaker 2: Him in his Senate in the Senate shower being like

1681
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:22,160
Speaker 2: in the work shower, waiting for you, Lindsey Graham.

1682
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:24,400
Speaker 3: Which is kind of pretty wild.

1683
01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:29,559
Speaker 13: There's a couple others that I have obtained which show

1684
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:33,679
Speaker 13: him like with members of Congress, like staring at his fingers,

1685
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:36,519
Speaker 13: being like, I want to lick his luscious fingers when

1686
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:36,800
Speaker 13: the guy.

1687
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:40,759
Speaker 3: I swear this is all real. This is in the workplace.

1688
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:42,840
Speaker 2: I don't personally care about anything he's doing in his

1689
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:43,519
Speaker 2: personal life.

1690
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:45,479
Speaker 3: All of us of wild photos from that too.

1691
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:47,639
Speaker 2: Just the ones that I'm willing to talk about here

1692
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:51,280
Speaker 2: are all the Capital you know, posting a lot of

1693
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 2: stuff and actually apparently was told Crystal behind the scenes, bro,

1694
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:58,920
Speaker 2: you need to calm down. After he was after he

1695
01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 2: was promoted in Senator Card's office, because his social media

1696
01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:06,200
Speaker 2: was like a widespread, like a known thing amongst a

1697
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:09,280
Speaker 2: lot of his coworkers. NBC News putting this out here.

1698
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:12,400
Speaker 2: Let's put this up there. Also, their headline is so ridiculous.

1699
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:15,479
Speaker 2: Put this up there. Senate staff are alleged by concerned Yeah,

1700
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:17,760
Speaker 2: it's not alleged. Okay, we've got the video to have

1701
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:19,840
Speaker 2: had sex. And hearing room is no longer employed. So

1702
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:23,240
Speaker 2: Senator Cardin's office just says this aiden is no longer

1703
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:27,080
Speaker 2: employed by the US Senate after the Daily Caller publish it.

1704
01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:30,040
Speaker 2: Just ludicrous that they wouldn't be able to just confirm it.

1705
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:33,040
Speaker 2: And last, but not least, here, Madison Cawthorne, who once

1706
01:20:33,080 --> 01:20:36,640
Speaker 2: alleged Coke Field orgies happening on Capitol Hill, tweets this

1707
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:39,679
Speaker 2: out quote. I told you, and look, he was right.

1708
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:40,840
Speaker 2: He was certainly right.

1709
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:44,800
Speaker 4: So that's where that's where we're at.

1710
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:47,920
Speaker 2: He should he should have named more names. Uh yeah,

1711
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:51,439
Speaker 2: that's all. I got this this ge just so everyone knows, Yeah,

1712
01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:53,720
Speaker 2: George George. Of course he's waited and he went after

1713
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:55,160
Speaker 2: He's like, you're not being fired because you're gay, So

1714
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:57,880
Speaker 2: you can fire because you fuck somebody in the set

1715
01:20:57,880 --> 01:20:59,280
Speaker 2: a hearing room and you put it out on the

1716
01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:03,160
Speaker 2: social media, which is certainly something. Also from what I understand,

1717
01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:06,560
Speaker 2: Christ is this last thing, the alleged top is actually

1718
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:09,920
Speaker 2: a former employee of the German government, So there's there's

1719
01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:11,160
Speaker 2: even an international spying.

1720
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 3: Oh god, great.

1721
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:14,800
Speaker 4: Great. In some ways, the wildest part to me is.

1722
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:16,479
Speaker 3: The statement he yeah, I think I think you're right.

1723
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:19,080
Speaker 4: It's like people are attacking me for who I love.

1724
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:23,599
Speaker 1: Dude, Come on, I mean, yeah, if it was if

1725
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:27,720
Speaker 1: it was heterosexual sexture, people.

1726
01:21:27,479 --> 01:21:28,960
Speaker 4: Would also care about this.

1727
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 1: If it was a woman, I mean, can you imagine

1728
01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:35,880
Speaker 1: the level of like slutshaming perhaps appropriagious.

1729
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 3: So there's no on it.

1730
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:40,120
Speaker 4: This was so put the identity piece aside.

1731
01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:44,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, there were a lot of jokes being made about

1732
01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:46,200
Speaker 1: like this is probably the most awesome thing that's happened

1733
01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:48,800
Speaker 1: in the Senate hearing room and in some time or

1734
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:51,080
Speaker 1: like at least someone's deriving some joy from the things

1735
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:51,400
Speaker 1: that are.

1736
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:52,760
Speaker 4: Happening in the sun room.

1737
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 1: So I guess there is a bit of a point there,

1738
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:57,759
Speaker 1: but I don't know. It's just when I see characters

1739
01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:01,759
Speaker 1: like this, you know, like George Santosis of the World,

1740
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:04,080
Speaker 1: where he's just so brazen in his lies and just

1741
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:06,519
Speaker 1: over and I'm like, you're so brazen with this. I

1742
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:09,240
Speaker 1: can't wrap my head around it. It's that's the part

1743
01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:13,200
Speaker 1: of it to me that's fascinating and interesting.

1744
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:14,080
Speaker 3: Call me a boomer.

1745
01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:15,840
Speaker 2: I don't really know why you have to talk about

1746
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:18,240
Speaker 2: your sex live period with all your coworkers. And look,

1747
01:22:18,280 --> 01:22:20,479
Speaker 2: if you want to post it on your social media,

1748
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:22,720
Speaker 2: I mean that's fine, but like, look, I don't think

1749
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:25,080
Speaker 2: people understand this too. When you're young. He's what like

1750
01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:27,559
Speaker 2: twenty four, twenty five something like that. He's something like

1751
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 2: that On Capitol Hill, it's a social network. You all

1752
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:32,760
Speaker 2: go out drinking together, like everybody knows each other and

1753
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:35,080
Speaker 2: all of this. And this was a well known secret

1754
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:38,320
Speaker 2: ammarently amongst all of his coworkers, such that his bosses

1755
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:40,120
Speaker 2: had to talk to him whenever he got promoted and

1756
01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:42,040
Speaker 2: they're like, you need to tone down some of the

1757
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:44,320
Speaker 2: stuff you're pos like, for example, talking about how you

1758
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:47,200
Speaker 2: want to lick the fingers of a fellow congressman, which.

1759
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:52,759
Speaker 10: Is crazy in the Senate cafeteria, literally in the Senate cafeteria,

1760
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:56,120
Speaker 10: you know the shower photos. Also also ran a Twitter

1761
01:22:56,160 --> 01:23:00,760
Speaker 10: account without a space blurred purely of just like sexually suggestive,

1762
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:04,240
Speaker 10: evocative photos that was open to the public up until

1763
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:07,880
Speaker 10: this entire thing. So there's a there's an insane narcissism

1764
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:10,879
Speaker 10: going on in the minds of this individual.

1765
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:13,519
Speaker 3: And I would just say they just think, I don't.

1766
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:15,920
Speaker 1: Know, it's never going to come out, that was never

1767
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:16,840
Speaker 1: going to apply to them.

1768
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:18,000
Speaker 3: I think that, yeah, you.

1769
01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:19,919
Speaker 4: Get away with it once and you're just like addicted

1770
01:23:19,960 --> 01:23:20,519
Speaker 4: to that thrill.

1771
01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:21,799
Speaker 3: I think it's a culture of narcissm.

1772
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:23,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a culture of narcissism where they

1773
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:26,240
Speaker 2: just think you can use identity politics to shield yourself

1774
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:29,720
Speaker 2: from any inevitable like criticism, and in the reality is

1775
01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:32,280
Speaker 2: is that you're just engaging in like really disgusting behavior.

1776
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:35,160
Speaker 4: It really almost seems public addictive behavior.

1777
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:35,679
Speaker 3: I agree.

1778
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:38,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I honestly think there's something wrong with him,

1779
01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:41,040
Speaker 2: like on a mental level, and not having anything to

1780
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:43,280
Speaker 2: do with is gay, just like this crazy amount of

1781
01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:50,800
Speaker 2: exhibitionism and clearly like indulging it and forcing your coworkers to.

1782
01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:52,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, where it's impacting your whole limit. I mean, that's

1783
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:55,439
Speaker 1: like the telltale sign of like some sort of addiction issue.

1784
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:58,760
Speaker 1: Is it's you know, you're not able to confine it

1785
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 1: to the appropriate spaces in your life.

1786
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:03,360
Speaker 2: Look, you know, honestly, I wish him the best. I

1787
01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:04,880
Speaker 2: hope he gets to help the Indians and all that.

1788
01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:06,599
Speaker 2: You hurry, if we learn from this, and I hope

1789
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:08,680
Speaker 2: every other Capitol Hill staffer, you guys should learn too,

1790
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:10,160
Speaker 2: if it will eventually come out. If you're going to

1791
01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:14,439
Speaker 2: conduct yourself this way, Crystal, what are you taking a

1792
01:24:14,479 --> 01:24:14,760
Speaker 2: look at?

1793
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:15,280
Speaker 4: Well?

1794
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:18,840
Speaker 1: Americans have for years been fed a pack of lies

1795
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:22,800
Speaker 1: about Israel and Palestine. These lies enabled successive administrations of

1796
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:26,240
Speaker 1: both parties to offer nothing but unconditional support for Israel

1797
01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:30,160
Speaker 1: and nothing but unrestrained contempt for Palestinians. American presidents stood

1798
01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:33,720
Speaker 1: meekly by as Israeli governments blatantly violated international law.

1799
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:34,400
Speaker 4: Year after year.

1800
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:37,439
Speaker 1: Israel aggressively expanded settlements in the West Bank, imposed a

1801
01:24:37,479 --> 01:24:41,759
Speaker 1: brutal blockade of Gaza, aided settler violence, passed apartheid style laws,

1802
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:44,000
Speaker 1: and used a vast bureaucracy to put in the near

1803
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:47,519
Speaker 1: of legality on seizures of Palestinine homes and land. Our

1804
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:51,519
Speaker 1: support for this criminal and inhumane status quo was enabled

1805
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:55,760
Speaker 1: by an elaborate mythology surrounding the so called two state solution. Now,

1806
01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:58,200
Speaker 1: there are a number of components to this myth. First

1807
01:24:58,360 --> 01:25:01,400
Speaker 1: that Palestinians have received muti to puld generous offers of

1808
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 1: statehood and have unreasonably rejected them. Second, that the Israeli

1809
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:08,760
Speaker 1: government would love nothing more than to come to some

1810
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:11,920
Speaker 1: sort of a two state peaceful resolution, but have no

1811
01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:15,720
Speaker 1: quote partner for peace. Every part of all of that

1812
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:19,800
Speaker 1: is a lie. Fortunately, this mythology is actually crumbling in

1813
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:22,760
Speaker 1: real time, killed by friendly fire, you might say, as

1814
01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 1: Netanyahu himself has announced, not only will he do everything

1815
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:30,800
Speaker 1: in his power to block a Palestinian state forever, but

1816
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:33,880
Speaker 1: that he is proud to have been a primary impediment

1817
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 1: to the dream of a peaceful settlement. In a press

1818
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:39,880
Speaker 1: conference last week, he said the following quote, You and

1819
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:42,880
Speaker 1: your journalist friends have been blaming me for almost thirty

1820
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:45,400
Speaker 1: years for putting the brakes on the Oslo Accords and

1821
01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:47,160
Speaker 1: preventing the Palestinian state.

1822
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:48,640
Speaker 4: That's true.

1823
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:52,599
Speaker 1: I'm proud that I prevented the establishment of a Palestinian state,

1824
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:56,800
Speaker 1: because today everybody understands what that Palestinian state could have been,

1825
01:25:57,040 --> 01:26:00,640
Speaker 1: now that we've seen the little Palestinian state in Gaza. Now, this,

1826
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:03,360
Speaker 1: of course, is a transparent bit of blame shifting from BB.

1827
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:07,200
Speaker 1: He would absurdly have you believe that those who supported

1828
01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:10,960
Speaker 1: the Oslo process were to blame for October seventh, rather

1829
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:14,000
Speaker 1: than him, the dude who promised you could keep Palestinians

1830
01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:18,000
Speaker 1: locking in cage forever with zero consequence, who cynically built

1831
01:26:18,040 --> 01:26:20,680
Speaker 1: up Hamas as a Machiavelian means to an end of

1832
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:24,840
Speaker 1: blocking Palestinian statehood, whose administration was so distracted by his

1833
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:28,720
Speaker 1: own corruption scandals and pandering to extreme settlers that they

1834
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:32,160
Speaker 1: completely ignored the October seventh planning that was happening right

1835
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:35,519
Speaker 1: in front of their faces. But I rather appreciate Bbe's

1836
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:38,280
Speaker 1: comments here, nonetheless, because they are the beginning of the

1837
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:41,799
Speaker 1: end of our national delusions about the two state solution.

1838
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:42,479
Speaker 14: Now.

1839
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:44,719
Speaker 1: Literally, no one should be surprised that BB is bragging

1840
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:48,360
Speaker 1: about blocking Palestinian state. This has been his entire political

1841
01:26:48,439 --> 01:26:51,919
Speaker 1: program in Race on Deetra for decades. But such comments

1842
01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:54,759
Speaker 1: and naked admissions rarely make it into the US press.

1843
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:57,559
Speaker 1: They're said in Hebrew from Israeli domestic audience, and American

1844
01:26:57,640 --> 01:27:00,719
Speaker 1: politicians just pretend they didn't hear them, or they pretend

1845
01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:04,480
Speaker 1: that BB is some outlier, a fringe political character inconsistent

1846
01:27:04,520 --> 01:27:08,559
Speaker 1: with mainstream as Raeli politics. This is all false. In fact,

1847
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:12,280
Speaker 1: Nanyahu gives himself far too much credit as the sole

1848
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:16,280
Speaker 1: bulwark against a Palestinian state. In fact, the various Israeli

1849
01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:19,040
Speaker 1: prime ministers differ not in their opposition to an actual

1850
01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:22,920
Speaker 1: Palestinian state, but in their tactics for permanently blocking one.

1851
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:26,040
Speaker 1: So first, it's simple enough to demonstrate that opposition of

1852
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:29,120
Speaker 1: Palestinian statehood has been a permanent feature of Israeli politics,

1853
01:27:29,160 --> 01:27:31,680
Speaker 1: no matter the prime minister may be. Most illustrative is

1854
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:36,000
Speaker 1: this chart. Under every Israeli prime minister, moderate liberal or

1855
01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:39,920
Speaker 1: right wing, from lionized hero Yitzak Rabin to the odious

1856
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:44,280
Speaker 1: net Yahoo, year after year, a legal settlement building continued

1857
01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:46,360
Speaker 1: and the settler population exploded.

1858
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:49,880
Speaker 4: Now, why you might ask, is this the key fact?

1859
01:27:50,360 --> 01:27:53,519
Speaker 1: Because the entire purpose of these settlements is to block

1860
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:57,599
Speaker 1: a Palestinian state. Don't ask me, ask the settlers themselves.

1861
01:27:57,960 --> 01:28:01,040
Speaker 1: One of their activist leaders was recently interviewed by Isaac Chottner,

1862
01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:04,400
Speaker 1: and she explained it very plainly. Quote, the world, especially

1863
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:06,600
Speaker 1: in the United States, thinks there is an option for

1864
01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:10,000
Speaker 1: a Palestinian state, and if we continue to build communities,

1865
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:13,800
Speaker 1: then we block the option for a Palestinian state. We

1866
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:16,240
Speaker 1: want to close the option for a Palestinian state, and

1867
01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:19,080
Speaker 1: the world wants to leave the option open. It's a

1868
01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:22,200
Speaker 1: very simple thing to understand, and she's right, it is

1869
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:23,880
Speaker 1: indeed a very simple.

1870
01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:24,560
Speaker 4: Thing to understand.

1871
01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:28,639
Speaker 1: The consistent commitment to settlements under every single Israeli government

1872
01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:32,360
Speaker 1: exposes the lie that Viba's somehow an outlier in his opposition.

1873
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:35,719
Speaker 1: Now here's another key fact in understanding the consistent opposition

1874
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:39,160
Speaker 1: of Palestinian statehood. Let's allow Professor Norman Finkelstein to lay

1875
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:39,679
Speaker 1: this one out.

1876
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:46,000
Speaker 7: Every year, every single year, the United Nations General Assembly

1877
01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 7: passes a resolution quote peaceful.

1878
01:28:50,640 --> 01:28:56,599
Speaker 15: Settlement of the Palestine question. And every year it lays

1879
01:28:56,640 --> 01:29:01,040
Speaker 15: out the terms, which I just describe. The terms of

1880
01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:09,519
Speaker 15: the settlement are anchored, embedded in international law. Every year,

1881
01:29:10,280 --> 01:29:16,160
Speaker 15: the vote is the whole world, which is to say,

1882
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:25,720
Speaker 15: approximately one hundred and ninety countries on one site embracing.

1883
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:35,760
Speaker 16: Those terms, including the Palestinian representative organizations, and on the

1884
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:43,240
Speaker 16: other side it's usually the United States, Israel, and several

1885
01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:52,160
Speaker 16: South Sea islands the Marshall Islands allow to volu Hanga

1886
01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:53,960
Speaker 16: on the other side.

1887
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:56,799
Speaker 1: So next time you hear someone lazily parrot the mantra

1888
01:29:56,840 --> 01:29:59,240
Speaker 1: that Israelis have no quote partner for peace on the

1889
01:29:59,240 --> 01:30:02,800
Speaker 1: Palestinian side, you might challenge them on whether Palestinian extremists

1890
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:05,280
Speaker 1: have really been the primary impediment to peace when the

1891
01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:08,720
Speaker 1: UN record here that Norm Finkelstein lays out is extraordinarily

1892
01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:11,080
Speaker 1: cut and dry, and just wait until they find out

1893
01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:13,679
Speaker 1: what the Lukud party charter has to say about from

1894
01:30:13,680 --> 01:30:14,840
Speaker 1: the River to the Sea.

1895
01:30:15,320 --> 01:30:18,040
Speaker 4: But you might say, what about Oslo, what about Camp David.

1896
01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:22,360
Speaker 1: Weren't Palestinian's offered statehood through the Clinton negotiations. Weren't some

1897
01:30:22,479 --> 01:30:25,479
Speaker 1: Israeli prime ministers genuinely committed to this process?

1898
01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:27,720
Speaker 4: The answer is yes, some were committed.

1899
01:30:27,320 --> 01:30:31,000
Speaker 1: To Oslo, but unfortunately Oslo was never meant to achieve

1900
01:30:31,320 --> 01:30:36,000
Speaker 1: full statehood. Even the venerated Prime Minister Yitzak Rabin assassinated

1901
01:30:36,040 --> 01:30:39,920
Speaker 1: by a Jewish extremist over Oslo, probably the most committed

1902
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:42,879
Speaker 1: to this process of any prime minister, even he admitted

1903
01:30:43,040 --> 01:30:48,360
Speaker 1: he never envisioned a full Palestinian state. Interestingly, current BB

1904
01:30:48,439 --> 01:30:51,960
Speaker 1: senior advisor Mark Regev just explained this to Pierce Morgan.

1905
01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:52,519
Speaker 4: Take a listen.

1906
01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:55,599
Speaker 12: It's cut Rubbin, the prime minister of Israel who wanted

1907
01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:58,240
Speaker 12: to make peace with the Battlestinians, who was the prime

1908
01:30:58,240 --> 01:31:00,800
Speaker 12: minister of the time of the signing of the Oslo Accords.

1909
01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:04,160
Speaker 12: He gave a speech and he was very clear. He

1910
01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:08,360
Speaker 12: said that the Palestinians will have less than a state.

1911
01:31:08,439 --> 01:31:11,280
Speaker 12: Jitzch Krabin, said, the man who was shot for his

1912
01:31:11,360 --> 01:31:14,360
Speaker 12: efforts to move forward on the peace process. He said

1913
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:17,840
Speaker 12: that the future Palestinian areas will have to be demilitarized.

1914
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:20,960
Speaker 12: He said, the Jordan Valley, that area on the eastern

1915
01:31:21,080 --> 01:31:23,880
Speaker 12: edge of the Palestinian territories would have to remain under

1916
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:28,040
Speaker 12: Israeli control. The idea that a Parastonian area will have

1917
01:31:28,080 --> 01:31:31,920
Speaker 12: to be demilitarized in any future settlement, that's common sense.

1918
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:33,960
Speaker 4: Another important moment of honesty there.

1919
01:31:34,040 --> 01:31:35,880
Speaker 1: So what does he mean by less than a state

1920
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:39,080
Speaker 1: or state minus as Netnyahu has called it. Well, Palestinian

1921
01:31:39,080 --> 01:31:42,280
Speaker 1: American activist and intellectual Edward Side laid out in a

1922
01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:46,040
Speaker 1: famous piece what that is meant In opposing OSLO. He

1923
01:31:46,280 --> 01:31:49,320
Speaker 1: argued that, far from a process to achieve statehood, OSLO

1924
01:31:49,400 --> 01:31:52,840
Speaker 1: and vision placing is really security needs above actual Palestinian

1925
01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:57,479
Speaker 1: statehood and autonomy in perpetuity. This led Side famously to write,

1926
01:31:57,680 --> 01:32:00,600
Speaker 1: let us call the agreement by its real name, instrument

1927
01:32:00,680 --> 01:32:05,920
Speaker 1: of Palestinian surrender, a Palestinian Versailles. So actual statehood was

1928
01:32:05,960 --> 01:32:08,160
Speaker 1: never on the table, but something short of that was,

1929
01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:11,080
Speaker 1: and plenty of Palestinians did support trying to achieve that

1930
01:32:11,160 --> 01:32:14,720
Speaker 1: negotiated settlement, which brings us to the supposed conclusion of

1931
01:32:14,720 --> 01:32:17,800
Speaker 1: the Oslo taiale. As routinely recited by American politicians and

1932
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:22,479
Speaker 1: media outlets. In their telling, Bill Clinton came tantalizingly close

1933
01:32:22,520 --> 01:32:25,240
Speaker 1: to a peace deal in two thousand Camp David, only

1934
01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:29,080
Speaker 1: to see Yasser Arafat walk away from a generous offer

1935
01:32:29,200 --> 01:32:32,080
Speaker 1: over the smallest of differences. At this point, you should

1936
01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:34,840
Speaker 1: be unsurprised to learn that this narrative is also nothing

1937
01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:37,360
Speaker 1: but invented ass covering to serve the Israelis and their

1938
01:32:37,400 --> 01:32:41,040
Speaker 1: American benefactors. So start with the deal was very lopsided,

1939
01:32:41,200 --> 01:32:43,760
Speaker 1: far from the generous offer that it's routinely presented to

1940
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:47,440
Speaker 1: have been required extreme concessions from the Palestinians, including security

1941
01:32:47,439 --> 01:32:50,519
Speaker 1: demands which would have divided the West Bank into three cantons,

1942
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:54,280
Speaker 1: effectively continuing some of the worst parts of the Israeli occupation,

1943
01:32:54,680 --> 01:32:57,479
Speaker 1: creating not a state but a series of bantu stands

1944
01:32:57,479 --> 01:33:00,920
Speaker 1: with no control over airspace, no military, no control over

1945
01:33:00,920 --> 01:33:04,120
Speaker 1: their own borders with Egypt and Jordan. Even one of

1946
01:33:04,160 --> 01:33:09,360
Speaker 1: the top Israeli negotiators, Shlomo Benami, later admitted if I

1947
01:33:09,479 --> 01:33:13,520
Speaker 1: were a Palestinian, I would have rejected Camp David as well.

1948
01:33:13,640 --> 01:33:18,040
Speaker 1: What's more, far from Airfat walking away, negotiations actually continued.

1949
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:21,880
Speaker 1: Formal negotiations continued at Taba until right wing Israeli governments

1950
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:24,760
Speaker 1: were elected to kill the process entirely, and the rest,

1951
01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:27,519
Speaker 1: at least for our purposes today, is history. So to

1952
01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:30,360
Speaker 1: sum up, the deal was far from generous. Airfat had

1953
01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:32,519
Speaker 1: some good reasons to walk away, but he actually didn't,

1954
01:33:32,520 --> 01:33:34,479
Speaker 1: and it was the Israelis who put the final nail

1955
01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:37,120
Speaker 1: in the coffin of Ozla, with help from extremists. Let's

1956
01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:39,920
Speaker 1: be clear on both sides, but don't take my word

1957
01:33:39,960 --> 01:33:41,840
Speaker 1: for it as our own. Ryan Grim has been pointing

1958
01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:44,720
Speaker 1: out the right wing hawk is the big new Brazinski

1959
01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:47,880
Speaker 1: said Joe Scarborough straight in spectacular fashion on the Camp

1960
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:49,720
Speaker 1: David fairy tale many years ago.

1961
01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:50,559
Speaker 4: Take a listen.

1962
01:33:50,720 --> 01:33:53,639
Speaker 8: You can't blame what is happening in Israel right now

1963
01:33:53,680 --> 01:33:54,559
Speaker 8: on the Bush ad minutes.

1964
01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:55,120
Speaker 14: Yes you can.

1965
01:33:55,439 --> 01:33:56,000
Speaker 12: You can't.

1966
01:33:56,439 --> 01:34:00,240
Speaker 9: Well, let's go back to two thousand, doctor Brazinski. I

1967
01:34:00,240 --> 01:34:04,200
Speaker 9: both know Bill Clinton gave Arafat and the Palestinians everything

1968
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:05,160
Speaker 9: you know, you hey could.

1969
01:34:05,160 --> 01:34:08,559
Speaker 14: It was a stunningly superficial knowledge of what went on

1970
01:34:08,640 --> 01:34:11,160
Speaker 14: that it's almost embarrassing to listen to you. If you

1971
01:34:11,200 --> 01:34:14,759
Speaker 14: were to look more closely what happened in the Clinton

1972
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:17,559
Speaker 14: MCEE Camp David discussions, you would know that we have

1973
01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:21,000
Speaker 14: just said is absolutely wrong. There were all sorts of

1974
01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:24,400
Speaker 14: provisions and catches to the so called proposal, and it

1975
01:34:24,520 --> 01:34:28,080
Speaker 14: wasn't rejected. The negotiations went on in Taba, and then

1976
01:34:28,080 --> 01:34:31,360
Speaker 14: there were elections in Israel and Charon came in and

1977
01:34:31,400 --> 01:34:32,360
Speaker 14: everything got aborted.

1978
01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:34,439
Speaker 1: Now, listen, I think it'd be fair to look at

1979
01:34:34,439 --> 01:34:37,559
Speaker 1: this history and say, even so, given what we know today,

1980
01:34:37,560 --> 01:34:39,639
Speaker 1: Arafat should have just taken what was on the table

1981
01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:41,760
Speaker 1: in two thousand, because it's got to be better than

1982
01:34:41,800 --> 01:34:44,280
Speaker 1: the horror, pain and bloodshed that we are witnessing.

1983
01:34:44,520 --> 01:34:45,200
Speaker 4: Very possible.

1984
01:34:45,439 --> 01:34:47,640
Speaker 1: I think it's also fair to point out the Palestinian

1985
01:34:47,720 --> 01:34:50,160
Speaker 1: violence in the second anti fatt in particular, is what

1986
01:34:50,320 --> 01:34:53,560
Speaker 1: helped you turn the Israeli public away from those politicians

1987
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:57,960
Speaker 1: promising a settlement and toward those openly advocating for brutality,

1988
01:34:58,200 --> 01:35:00,640
Speaker 1: leading to a parade of maniacs ca dominating in this

1989
01:35:00,680 --> 01:35:04,559
Speaker 1: Netnakh government, complete with overt genocidal psychos. But I think

1990
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:06,280
Speaker 1: you can also see, when you look at all of

1991
01:35:06,320 --> 01:35:09,719
Speaker 1: the facts, there were legitimate reasons for Palestinans to oppose

1992
01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:12,960
Speaker 1: OSLO in its entirety. It wasn't just extremists been on

1993
01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:17,080
Speaker 1: genocide who found the framework unacceptable and sought to undermine it. Now,

1994
01:35:17,080 --> 01:35:19,320
Speaker 1: in some ways, this past is irrelevant, since the thing

1995
01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:22,120
Speaker 1: that really matters is what happens next. But if there's

1996
01:35:22,120 --> 01:35:24,799
Speaker 1: one thing that's clear to me watching this conflict unfold,

1997
01:35:25,200 --> 01:35:27,920
Speaker 1: is that the lies of the past, the narratives that

1998
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:31,880
Speaker 1: color our understanding of this current moment, are the most

1999
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:35,800
Speaker 1: potent weapon enabling the atrocities that are unfolding today. So

2000
01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:38,439
Speaker 1: let's take a cue from Phoebe and drop all the fakery.

2001
01:35:38,680 --> 01:35:41,360
Speaker 1: Biden can say two state solution as much as he wants,

2002
01:35:41,479 --> 01:35:44,759
Speaker 1: Israelis do not want one, So what now?

2003
01:35:45,160 --> 01:35:45,920
Speaker 4: And Sager as.

2004
01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:47,880
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2005
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:54,720
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2006
01:35:54,920 --> 01:35:57,120
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2007
01:35:57,160 --> 01:35:58,320
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2008
01:36:24,120 --> 01:36:48,160
Speaker 7: Keep keep.

2009
01:37:09,400 --> 01:39:56,559
Speaker 17: Shop shut, Keep, keep shop shot, keep don't keep