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Speaker 1: What is up everybody? John Middlecop Three and Out podcast.

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Speaker 1: How are we doing Monday afternoon? Just press record, Big Show, Baby,

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Speaker 1: Big Big Show. A lot going on, some pro day thoughts.

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Speaker 1: Justin Fields is working out this week, Sam Donald Joe

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Speaker 1: Brady thought a lot about their potential relationship. Had some

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Speaker 1: some news over the weekend about Deshaun Watson. Read an

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Speaker 1: interesting article about the Rams Less Need and how they

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Speaker 1: are revolutionizing might be strong but adapting in this modern

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Speaker 1: day time and changing their scouting practices. I found pretty

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Speaker 1: interesting and uh. And then of course the Middlecoff mail

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Speaker 1: Bag at John Middlecoff is my Instagram account. Slide up

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Speaker 1: into those d m s. We answer your questions right here. Also,

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Speaker 1: review many of you have. I uh, I greatly respect

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Speaker 1: and I'm tipping my hat to you right now, even

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Speaker 1: though I'm not even wearing a hat. I can't obviously

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Speaker 1: I'm a bald guy. I'm I'm hitting my head right

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Speaker 1: now and and thanks to you. Appreciate y'all. That's how

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Speaker 1: they say I think in the South. Um. Some people

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Speaker 1: have said I have a southern draw drawl, and maybe

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Speaker 1: that's just I'm a country music guy. I'm in everything.

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Speaker 1: I never understood people with music, like, same thing with dating,

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Speaker 1: Like what's your type? I don't know? Hot? Cool like?

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Speaker 1: I like her? I don't. I don't really have a type.

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Speaker 1: What's your type of music? I don't know good music.

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Speaker 1: Kind of food do you like? I don't know good food.

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Speaker 1: I've never pigeonholed myself with a lot of things. I

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Speaker 1: try to stay open minded. I don't like to have

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Speaker 1: a type. Now. I I fall in love with certain restaurants,

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Speaker 1: but I would never just eat that be the only

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Speaker 1: restaurant I eat the rest of my life. I don't

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Speaker 1: know how I got off track here, but yeah, let's

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Speaker 1: dive into the protet stuff. Okay, Justin Fields is working

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Speaker 1: out this week, and let's face it, this workout feels

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Speaker 1: like a job interview for Kyle Shanahan. And in a second,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to dive into a couple of things that

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Speaker 1: I believe and what I don't believe. This is really crystallized.

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Speaker 1: No one in their right mind would trade the pics

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Speaker 1: that Kyle Shanahan traded to move up to number three

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Speaker 1: without knowing exactly who they were going to draft. I

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Speaker 1: keep using the analogy. You would never take your entire

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Speaker 1: life savings to play it safe. Most people when they

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Speaker 1: take you hear these stories about people taking their entire

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Speaker 1: life savings to like invest into a business, invest into

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Speaker 1: a company, right to do something bold. That's what the

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Speaker 1: Niners just did. They traded all these picks, and then

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Speaker 1: to take mac Jones would be the complete opposite. It

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Speaker 1: would be like I took all my money from my

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Speaker 1: It's like, what you're earning a return in the savings account?

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Speaker 1: What what are you doing here there? Are we're taking

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Speaker 1: to act like you're taking a big swing? And then

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Speaker 1: you're gonna take the guy with the highest floor, even

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Speaker 1: though there is no such thing as a guaranteed floor, right,

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Speaker 1: that is just something set in draft rooms. This guy

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Speaker 1: has a high floor. Yeah, High floors can also turn

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Speaker 1: into bad players. Solomon Thomas when the Niners drafted him,

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Speaker 1: was supposed to have a high floor. Cleveland Feral when

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Speaker 1: Those guys are basically backup players. The irony. Now Solomon

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Speaker 1: a guy with a high floor early in the draft

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Speaker 1: does not mean that guy is gonna be any good.

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Speaker 1: That just means, in theory, he won't be a bus

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Speaker 1: When you invest a lot of money into something, you're

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Speaker 1: looking for a big return. If I give someone thirty

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Speaker 1: I as an investor, Well, that's what these I mean

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Speaker 1: a contract. When you get draft in the first round

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Speaker 1: what I do now and everything I've done since I

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Speaker 1: literally there's nothing I learned at either of those places

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Speaker 1: one thing. I've learned everything from the streets, from real life, right,

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Speaker 1: Yet in football and in pro sports, your first job

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Speaker 1: My core philosophies of football, the my my core beliefs

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Speaker 1: all that was the thing at Fresno State. Pat love talent,

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Speaker 1: is mac Jones is forts pick. I cannot envision them

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Speaker 1: trading all these picks. Kyle Shanahan. The guys he's had

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Speaker 1: He played or coached in against Patrick Mahomes in a

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl and lost. When he was kicking Mahomes asked

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Speaker 1: I have a hard time thinking they're gonna take Mac Jones.

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Speaker 1: The hype is real. Who the hell is covering a

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Speaker 1: Sam Donald might not be good, but we're about to

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Speaker 1: find out. I heard an interesting stat the other day,

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Speaker 1: listen to Michael Lombardi's podcast. He said, and he's tight

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Speaker 1: with rule because his son worked for me and Baylor.

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Speaker 1: I think still might work at Carolina. Not sure, but

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Speaker 1: this stat really stood out to me. Twenty five of

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Speaker 1: Sam's thirty nine career picks came when trailing. Well, obviously

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Speaker 1: the Jets are always down. They were a god awful team,

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Speaker 1: and I think sometimes Sam Donald went to New York.

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Speaker 1: My question was, Zack Wilson is like, how's he gonna

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Speaker 1: handle it? Mentally? Is he gonna be okay to just

436
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Speaker 1: the the the daily pressure, in the negativity that comes

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Speaker 1: with being the quarterback in New York? It's hard. Sam

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Speaker 1: can handle it. Sam actually now gets to go to Carolina,

439
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Speaker 1: which is much more low key, coming off a terrible

440
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Speaker 1: really two years, so he gets an easy landing spot. Also,

441
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 1: Joe Brady should thank his lucky stars, because when you're

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Speaker 1: drafting eight, you don't have a great opportunity to get

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Speaker 1: a quarterback. You're stuck with Teddy Bridgewater, who, let's face it,

444
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Speaker 1: as a good backup, not a starter. You get Sam Donald,

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Speaker 1: who actually has a lot of parallels. People forget Joe Burrow,

446
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Speaker 1: Like Joe Burrow became a star, but before he was

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00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 1: a star his year before at L s U, we

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Speaker 1: thought he was an average player. And then Joe Brady

449
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 1: came and he became Joe Burrow, the number one overall

450
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Speaker 1: pick who went to Cincinnati and before he got hurt,

451
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Speaker 1: looked like he was gonna be a Pro Bowl level

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Speaker 1: guy in this league. So Joe Brady gets a quarterback

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Speaker 1: that actually has a lot of parallels to Joe Burrow

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Speaker 1: in just the terms of the way he plays athletically,

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Speaker 1: keeping plays alive with his legs being able to improvise.

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Speaker 1: Now he has some things he has to clean up,

457
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Speaker 1: but they have weapons. They have last I love Frank

458
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Speaker 1: or Frank Gore is a legend where I live, an

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Speaker 1: absolute legend. But he's like fifty years old in a

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00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 1: league where it's never been easier to find random running backs,

461
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Speaker 1: undrafted guys and you can just start them and kind

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Speaker 1: of developed them into good players. The Jets were Frank

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Speaker 1: Gore was their starter, like I like Joe Douglas. That's

464
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Speaker 1: an embarrassment was Adam Gates making that happen. Like I

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Speaker 1: would have said, like, we're not doing this, We're gonna

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Speaker 1: take someone off of practice squad and we're gonna play

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Speaker 1: him with some upside. He had no wide receivers. His

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Speaker 1: offensive line beside the left tackle they drafted was a

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Speaker 1: train wreck. Now he gets to go to Carolina with

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Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator who who went from being at an

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Speaker 1: all time high at l s U getting a probably

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Speaker 1: a huge pay raise going with rule to Carolina into

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Speaker 1: like kind of being irrelevant last year. I know, someone

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Speaker 1: hit me like middle cof. You're talking about Joe Brady.

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Speaker 1: He had multiple thousand yard receivers and McCaffrey was hurt. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I get that, but no one outside of Carolina paid attention.

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Speaker 1: Joe Brady is a guy that if Sam Donald's good

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Speaker 1: this year, who I think it could be. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they got a bunch of offensive weapons. They have a

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Speaker 1: I picked, they could take a sweet offensive lineman, they

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Speaker 1: could take an impact wide receiver. Hell, they could take

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Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts. Who's to say that they couldn't have like

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Speaker 1: a top seven or eight offense. And all of a sudden,

484
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Speaker 1: is Joe Brady a locked to get a head coaching

485
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Speaker 1: job next year. That's how fast this thing can turn. Right.

486
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Speaker 1: We go from oh, Joe Brady is the guy that

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Speaker 1: you know changed Joe Burrow's life to damn. You see

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Speaker 1: the Carolina offense, the top five in the league right now,

489
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Speaker 1: top five passing offense. And same with Sam Donald. Oh

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Speaker 1: maybe Sam donaland wasn't a joke. Maybe it was just

491
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Speaker 1: the stink of Adam Gaze. And sometimes when you're young,

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Speaker 1: if you get in the wrong situation. Think how many

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Speaker 1: stories in life you read about people that fucked up

494
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Speaker 1: when they were young. I was running with the wrong crowd.

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Speaker 1: I was hanging with the wrong people. Now unlike Sam Donald,

496
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Speaker 1: as young, we can control who we hang out and

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Speaker 1: who we don't. As a as a quarterback in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: you can't control where you go. But same type, you know,

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Speaker 1: just in theory, very similar, right, you know that was

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Speaker 1: a bad guy. Well, actually he might have been a

501
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 1: good guy. He was just running with some bad apples.

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Speaker 1: And then you take him out of that situation, you

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Speaker 1: get him hanging out with some higher level guys. All

504
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: of a sudden, that guy changed his life, starts a business,

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Speaker 1: becomes a millionaire, like you know, changes the course of

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Speaker 1: his family's life. How often do we see it with players?

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Speaker 1: Oh this guy sucked there and then he goes to

508
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Speaker 1: the Steelers, to the Patriots, to Seattle, You're like, damn,

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Speaker 1: this guy is good. Remember Digs, the dude that the

510
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 1: Seattle traded for from the Safety from Detroit. I didn't

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Speaker 1: even know that much about him. Seattle got him. He

512
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Speaker 1: started knocking people out like, well, that guy wasn't that

513
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Speaker 1: good in Detroit. And then Seattle gets him and now

514
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Speaker 1: he's kicking ass and taking names now every there. When

515
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Speaker 1: you're an elite player, Khalil Mack, you can go to

516
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Speaker 1: the Raiders and kick ass, and go to the Bears

517
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: and kick ass Jalen Ramsey, Jamal Adams. But most players

518
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: are not the cream of the crop, even the number

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00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 1: three pick in the draft. He's gonna need help and

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00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 1: now potentially has it, and he can change the course

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Speaker 1: of his story of his professional career. He can change

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Speaker 1: the course and Joe Brady cant of his own career.

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Speaker 1: Like part of becoming a great coach is having talented players.

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Speaker 1: Part of being a great player is having good coaches.

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00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: And Sam Donald hasn't had that, and Joe Brady this

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00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: year was Teddy Bridgewater didn't have that either. I'm actually

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Speaker 1: really excited to watch Carolina Panthers play this year. I

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00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: wanted to talk today about Deshaun Watson, and I had

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Speaker 1: mentioned him on the Friday Show about the situation, how

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Speaker 1: it was getting weird, how I just red flagged he

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00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: had been associated with forty five plus massage therapist, twenty

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Speaker 1: two against him, he had eighteen supporting him. Just the

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Speaker 1: whole sitution situation was red flagged. Not that he was guilty,

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Speaker 1: not that he was not guilty, just that the whole

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Speaker 1: thing was getting a little weird. And I had said

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Speaker 1: all along that again just to state school guy, no

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Speaker 1: law degree. And I understand these lawyers tell you to

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Speaker 1: keep quiet. But if in one of these situations and

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Speaker 1: I was as famous and as big of a public

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Speaker 1: figure as he was, if I was in the situation

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Speaker 1: where people were dragging my name, my family's name, my

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Speaker 1: reputation through the mud, and I was innocent, I don't

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Speaker 1: give a ship what you tell me. Because again, never

544
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Speaker 1: forget you paid a lawyer for advice. You pay him

545
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 1: for advice. He doesn't pay you, You pay him. I

546
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: would say something. And then we got a piece of

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00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: information this week that brought some things to light. And

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00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 1: let me say this, we in some form or fashion.

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Speaker 1: Judge every single person, the way you talk, your jobs,

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Speaker 1: what you do for a living, how you conduct yourself,

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Speaker 1: what you're wearing. Uh, let's face. It's just it's just

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00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: a truth. It's human nature, right, Any business meeting you've

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00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: ever had, any time you're going on a date, it's

554
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Speaker 1: kind of you know, the basis of society. You're judging

555
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: every situation, every individual. Uh. In the world of football,

556
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 1: that's what scouting is, making judgments on people and players.

557
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: And they're connected because a player is a person. How

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00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: they act, how they operate. And I've said over and

559
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: over and Colin has been hammering this home for years.

560
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: The bars pretty low at wide receiver. The bar is

561
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: very low at pass rusher. No one really cares a linebacker.

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00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: I can deal with the scummy right guard. The bar

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00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: at quarterback is through the roof. The expectations for a

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00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: quarterback are really, really high. There is a reason when

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs are putting their team together, the last human

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Speaker 1: being they ever worry about is Patrick Mahomes. You know.

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Speaker 1: The last person that the Ravens worry about now, Lamar Jackson,

568
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Speaker 1: the Bills, Josh Allen. These are just the young players.

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Speaker 1: See how don't. I mean they butt heads with Russell Wilson,

570
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: they don't ever worry about him getting in trouble. You

571
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Speaker 1: think the Packers have ever had two thoughts about are

572
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: we gonna have an issue with Aaron Rodgers off the field.

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Speaker 1: I'm not talking to arguing over contract or Jordan Love

574
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Speaker 1: draft pick. I'm talking about something happening with the law.

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Speaker 1: The answer is no. What was one of the defining

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Speaker 1: characteristics when the Cowboys, according to all of us with

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Speaker 1: common sense, overpaid Dak Prescott, So you can't pay enough

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Speaker 1: for the quality of human being. He is, his leadership,

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Speaker 1: his character, he's everything we want in a Dallas Cowboy.

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Speaker 1: And everything I've heard from about Dax has been in

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00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: the NFL is like, God, I'd like to be friends

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Speaker 1: with this guy. This dude is impressive. That's the bar.

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00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: That's the standard. Roethlisberger had issues early in his career.

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Speaker 1: Everyone still rips on him, and I think looks at

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Speaker 1: him like he's kind of a scumback. Let's call spade

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Speaker 1: to spay. And it's pretty clear when Russey Harden admitted

587
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson had consensual sex. Now describing exactly what that means,

588
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: obviously it could be several different things that I'm sure

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00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: several we've read with these women. So they admitted to

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00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: their were sexual encounters with this, and having sex with

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Speaker 1: someone is not a crime. That doesn't change my opinion

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Speaker 1: from Friday. Guilty innocent. I have no clue. Here's what

593
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: I do know. He was clearly addicted to getting after

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Speaker 1: with massage therapists. Because look at the resume here. There

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00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: are forty plus women that he forty plus masseusas. That's insane.

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00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: That doesn't make him a criminal. That doesn't make him guilty.

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00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: Just like maybe they are telling you. I don't know

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Speaker 1: he but the moment they admitted that, I saw Peter

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00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: King wrote today they're in a team interested anymore. That

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Speaker 1: is a major red flag because when I pay a player,

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00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: if I'm a GM and he's my quarterback, thirty cap

602
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: is gonna go back up. These numbers are gonna be astronomical.

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00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: I better never have to worry about him. Deshaun Watson,

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00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: when Rusty Harden admitted that on Friday, put a massive

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00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: red flag on the back of his client. Even if

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Speaker 1: all this goes away and it turns out they all

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00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: made it up, which I hate even guessing. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: but if that's the best case scenario for Shaun Watson

609
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: in his career, that it just all goes away, it'll

610
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Speaker 1: be hard to ever look at him to say and listen,

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Speaker 1: sex ain't a crime. It's something in life that we're

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00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: all either doing, thinking about doing, or talking about with

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Speaker 1: our friends. So it's like, I don't blame Deshaun Watson

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Speaker 1: for wanting to have sex, but to do it through

615
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: the massage therapists, I'm sorry. That is more than just bizarre.

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00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: That's to me. It's like, what the fun is up

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Speaker 1: with this guy? What is this guy's deal? I thought

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00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson I was always told would be the last

619
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Speaker 1: guy in the league you'd ever have to think about

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Speaker 1: I mahomes I, E lamar I E Dak Prescott. Instead,

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Speaker 1: he's got this legal battle where they're admitting they're like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he was sleeping around with massage therapists. That's a problem

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Speaker 1: because next year, who knows the way that's gonna play out,

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00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: and what's gonna happen this year suspended whatever, But from

625
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: a contractor from a football standpoint, he was scheduled to

626
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: make ten million dollars this year. That's why teams would

627
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: have been very, very interested in the trading for him,

628
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: because his contract doesn't really kick into next year. When

629
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Speaker 1: those numbers start going thirty five, thirty five, thirty five,

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Speaker 1: you think I don't care how good he is. I'd

631
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Speaker 1: feel comfortable bringing a guy into my locker room, just

632
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: the way society and for the better is changed when

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Speaker 1: I can't trust him to make good decisions away from

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Speaker 1: the building. When it comes to women, it's one of

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Speaker 1: the number one things we ask and scouting right, not

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00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: only how he treats people that don't necessarily determine his

637
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Speaker 1: playing time, Like if you go to Ohio State or Alabama,

638
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: I want to talk to the academic advisor because he's

639
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: always gonna be on his best behavior around saving and

640
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: Ryan Day or the offensive her defensive coordinator. How does

641
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: he treat the academic advisor? And then the other question

642
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: I'm asked, like, how do you treat women, especially if

643
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: that academic advisors and women does it? Does it get uncomfortable?

644
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: That's a big thing. I mean, these are questions that

645
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 1: are asked, and this is an uncomfortable topic, but these

646
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: are uncomfortable conversations that went on around the league for

647
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: the last month, and I'll promise you the moment that

648
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: it came out, I saw that someone forwarded me the

649
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: tweet of Rusty Harden saying, we are not denying that

650
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: he had sexual relations with this with these women. It

651
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,240
Speaker 1: was consensual and if that is the truth, I'll promise

652
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: you this. That tweet got sent to every GM that

653
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: was ever interested in de Shaun Watson. They went whoa, whoa.

654
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: He got red flagged at that moment, and he already was.

655
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: I mean, he's in this kind of torn NATO of

656
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: this issue. But even if he comes out of this

657
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 1: and it all goes away, no one will ever forget that.

658
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: That doesn't determine his life. But Deshaun Watson, let's let's

659
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 1: face it, we don't look at him the same as

660
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: we did three or four months ago. Definitely not with this.

661
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: But now he's admitting this. There's a reason why he

662
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: didn't come out and say it's all bullshit. I just

663
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: hired these women to give me massages because he was

664
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,919
Speaker 1: hooking up with them. Now, is he the first guy

665
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: to ever hook up in the NFL with the massage therapist.

666
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: You'd be naive to think that he's the first one

667
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,439
Speaker 1: ever have an issue. He's the first one to have

668
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: feels like plus massage therapist on call. I just don't

669
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: get it. I would imagine if I did a poll

670
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 1: of the top hundred NFL players, and most of them

671
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: probably have chefs. They have trainers. They have a trainer,

672
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: a chef. Maybe if the chef's bad, they get a

673
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: new one. They don't have seventeen chefs. They don't have

674
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: fourteen trainers. That would be kind of weird, just like

675
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 1: having forty five massage therapists is bizarre. This situation took

676
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: a turn not into Shawn's favor regardless how this thing

677
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: plays out. Okay, let's uh, let's dive into a story

678
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: before we get into the middle. Cooff mail bag. I

679
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: read that it this morning. I like to read, you know,

680
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: keep the mind Flowing on the Athletic about less need

681
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: in the Rams scouting department and how they've kind of

682
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: revolutionized the game. They don't send scouts to pro days

683
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: really anymore. They stopped sending scouts a couple of years

684
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: ago to the Combine, and this year they didn't go

685
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: to the Sea Bowl. They just watched it all on

686
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: television and they thought they were a lot more efficient.

687
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 1: And I actually, just before I recorded this podcast today,

688
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 1: I went over, good buddy, You're one of my best

689
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: friends growing up. He actually lives down the street from me.

690
00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: Ryan and his beautiful wife Mona just had a baby, Isla,

691
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: and it took him a bottle of wine and a

692
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: nice little president. You know, try to be a good guy.

693
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: And we were talking Mona has she's a dominant businesswoman.

694
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: She worked for sales Force. She works for these different companies.

695
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: Then she works at this company that got bought by

696
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: sales Force. She crushed it. And we're just talking a

697
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: lot about in the tech business. How some of her clients,

698
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: some of them are bandating, people go back to work,

699
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: some people had some like people that lived in the

700
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: Bay Area had moved to Sacramento. But then the company

701
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 1: is not going to pay them as much because part

702
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: of paying them more is to live in the Bay Area.

703
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: The cost of living is cheaper there if you move

704
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: out of state. And just about the thought of these companies.

705
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: Now Google ran an ad during the final four Corona

706
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: is over time to get back to normal, And then

707
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: I mean, do you think it was coincidence? Two days later,

708
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom's like, oh, California's gonna open as well. Now

709
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: they get their marching orders from Silicon Valley. And Silicon

710
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: Valley had been one of the progressive industries of like

711
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: everyone can just work from home, and now they're like, yeah,

712
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: we gotta start coming back to work a little bit.

713
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 1: Maybe not nine to five, five days a week, but

714
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: you have to spend some time at the office to

715
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: get things done. And Mona was saying, like some of

716
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,720
Speaker 1: her best attributes in her job is doing deals in person.

717
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 1: It's a lot harder to do a job over Zoom.

718
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: We've talked about it leading up to the draft. Every

719
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: scout is getting the same bit of information on the

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00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,240
Speaker 1: Zoom call with all the major programs. That's cookie cookie

721
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: cutter bullshit. If you just go off that, you'll lose.

722
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: You gotta go above and beyond. You have to get

723
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: personal interactions to get the best information to do the

724
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: best business deals. That's usually how the real world works.

725
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 1: And part of Rams and Less Neat. They've gotten a

726
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: lot of credit because they've could probably cut costs for

727
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: Crocky not sending the scouts to the Combine, not going

728
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: to the Senior Bowl. Here is a simple reality though

729
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: for them, And listen, I think pro days can be

730
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: really overrated, Like especially in a normal year. I've gone

731
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 1: to the school a couple of times. Times we've seen

732
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: the kid at the combine. We got his measurables, Like

733
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: what else do we need to know? Like what's you

734
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: gonna do with the pro day that we don't already know.

735
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: One attribute though of a normal year for pro days

736
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: is you can get some information and you can gather information.

737
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: You can gather because guess what most humans want to

738
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:22,760
Speaker 1: do talk? Well, what are these guys hearing in their buildings?

739
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 1: The information? So being able to gather that information on

740
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: the road is big. It helps you take that information,

741
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: give it to your boss, is the GM, the head coach,

742
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 1: and then use that information to help you in the draft. Now,

743
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,959
Speaker 1: one reason the Rams it doesn't matter because they haven't

744
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: had a first round pick for like a decade and

745
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 1: they're not gonna have a first round pick for years

746
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 1: coming up. So listen, have they been able to get

747
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: away with not sending people to the combine to the

748
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl? Of course, they haven't had high end picks.

749
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: If I'm gonna take a guy in the fourth or

750
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: fifth round. Do you know what I don't care that

751
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: much about, Like, if the guy is good, we'll keep

752
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: on the team. Every year. I would say fifth round

753
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: picks are cut and put on practice squad. It's not

754
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: the end all bill, So they are Why because you're

755
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: not investing that much into them. A fifth, six, seventh

756
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: round pick. I'm not investing really any guaranteed money in them.

757
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: So if I cut them, I don't care. Do you

758
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: know who you never cut? Who has a bad first year?

759
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: A first round pick, a second round pick. The Rams

760
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 1: trade those picks to get Jalen Ramsey, to get Matt Stafford.

761
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: Do you think they wouldn't have send someone to Aaron

762
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: Donald's pro day. I'll bet you they did. I'll bet

763
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: less Need was sitting there front and center when Aaron

764
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: Donald was at the Senior Bowl. The moment that this administration,

765
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 1: less Need starts getting high end picks again, here's what

766
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,280
Speaker 1: they'll do. They will go watch those guys in purpose

767
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: in person. You would never in whatever business you're working in,

768
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: if like the most basic deal, Like I do a

769
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: ton of advertising deals through ad agencies for my podcast

770
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,919
Speaker 1: Hey Room in milk Off, just through email. I've never

771
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: met any of these people. The only time I ever

772
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: meet with the companies draft Kings or I gotta actually

773
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: got some new cool companies coming is when you do

774
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: this sales call before you do the ad reads on

775
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,240
Speaker 1: your show, so they can tell you a little about

776
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: your company. You can talk to them any questions. You

777
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: never Actually I'd never even see him, But when I've

778
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: done big deals with like local companies, I go to

779
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 1: lunch with them, I see him in person. They want

780
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: to see me in person. Just like if you're gonna

781
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: draft a guy in the first round, more than likely

782
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: you're gonna meet the guy. You're gonna spend time with

783
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,439
Speaker 1: the player. Why because you're investing a lot in them.

784
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: Now here's why I will give the Rams a lot

785
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: of credit. They don't the forty time is irrelevant to them.

786
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 1: They have found a way to use the GPS tracking

787
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: that they get from the colleges and factor that in

788
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 1: with the film and find out how fast the guy plays.

789
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: Because the times right now all over the country are

790
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: insanely fast. Every dude is running between like four three

791
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: eight and four eight. If these guys have all gone

792
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: to the combine, half of them would be in the

793
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: four fives and four sixes. But the dude that would

794
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: normally run a four six five at the combine is

795
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: running like a four or five one at his school.

796
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: We ain't that fast. Jamaar Chase, who's a top ten

797
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 1: player in this draft, ran four three. I had a

798
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 1: scout tell me that they got him at four three six.

799
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: I like Jamar Chase. I would take him probably in

800
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 1: the top twelve. He ain't a four or three six.

801
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 1: Guys probably like four or four eight. So but if

802
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 1: I find out his real time, like the forty yard dash,

803
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: can be a little overrated. Some of the uh the

804
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: lateral testing to me, if you can see on film

805
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: the guy has lateral agility. He can make guys miss.

806
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: I don't need him to run a short shuttle right,

807
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,399
Speaker 1: I don't need him to do a vertical jump. If

808
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: I watch if he's Jamaar Chase or Kyle Pits, I

809
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 1: see how explosive he is. There's a reason slow guys

810
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,760
Speaker 1: don't like running because they're slow. They play slow on tape.

811
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 1: And some guys, some slower players play fast on tape

812
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: right or are able to play around it. And Kwan

813
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: Bold and Keenan Allen like those guys can't run, it

814
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, Like I don't need to watch you run

815
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 1: a forty to know you're fast or not. If you

816
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: if you could scout, you know worth your salt. But

817
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: to think that like the Rams are revolutionizing everything by

818
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: not sending people to these important events, it's kind of

819
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: b s because they haven't had any picks. To me,

820
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: this would be a major story if they had nailed

821
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: the last five first round picks. They haven't had a

822
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: first round pick since Chared Goth and they won't have

823
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 1: one until two thousand. They don't have one this year,

824
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: they won't have one next year, they won't have one

825
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: until two thousand twenty three. So I just think you

826
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 1: don't reinvent the wheel and scouting because, like I always said,

827
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: you're dealing with people. And the reason you want to

828
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 1: get guys testing numbers so you can compare them to

829
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: previous players in the NFL that are having success and

830
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:04,959
Speaker 1: not have success. But the reason most of these guys

831
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: succeed once they have the baseline talent is their work ethic,

832
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: is their toughness, is their intangible stuff. Obviously at quarterback,

833
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: but same with other positions. I know a lot of

834
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: linemen that get washed out. They're just kind of lazy.

835
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 1: They don't really love football, they aren't tough. And those

836
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 1: are things that whether I send you to a pro

837
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 1: day or not, Like ultimately, scouting the person is always

838
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: going to be an inexact science and will always be

839
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 1: a reason why guys miss on players because they miss

840
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: on the person. And it's hard. A lot of these

841
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: guys are coming from blue chip programs, having smoke blown

842
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: up their ass since they were fifteen. You all you

843
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: hear are good things, and the guy is a good guy.

844
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: You want to like him, and sometimes you might hear

845
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: you know, I don't really know if you love football

846
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: and you're like, well, look at his resume, plays hard,

847
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: and it just turns out sometimes he doesn't. And that's

848
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: a that's a understandable mistake if you just gets the

849
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Speaker 1: leagues like I don't really like it that much. Because

850
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: hard to not like playing football and to be good

851
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: at football, because the games are hard. It hurts getting hit,

852
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: You get injured playing football, even if you aren't gonna

853
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: miss a game like your body hurts. You spend a

854
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: lot of time with the trainer, You spent a lot

855
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: of time in cold Bass actually ran into Bill Romanowski

856
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: at my gym the other day. He told me that

857
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: Cold BASSI thought were a little overrated. He said, the

858
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: key is just getting water. He said, water is fantastic

859
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 1: for recovery. It doesn't necessarily have to be cold. And

860
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: Bill didn't miss a game for sixteen years, so I'd

861
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,919
Speaker 1: say back when the game was an absolute blood bath.

862
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: So I say he knows what he's talking about. He says,

863
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: if your sword just go sitting in water, I'm like, god,

864
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 1: Bill smart. Bill looks fantastic for years old, Holy moley,

865
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: he looks better than me. I'm thirty six. But I

866
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: just think the Rams are kind of feeling themselves right now. Rightfully.

867
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: So they've had a very successful run. It's gone great

868
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: with Sean McVeigh. And maybe they don't trust their scouts.

869
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 1: Maybe they don't trust those guys out on the road

870
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 1: to say stuff. But let's not act like they've changed

871
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:06,280
Speaker 1: everything because they haven't had any first round picks. Okay,

872
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: before we get in the middlecuff mail bag, I just

873
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: actually saw that Edelman retired. I love Julian Edelman. I

874
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,240
Speaker 1: He's gonna go down as one of the great seventh

875
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 1: round picks in NFL history, Super Bowl MVP made a

876
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: ton of plays in big games over his life. The

877
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 1: greatest player in the history of football would probably call

878
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 1: him or Gronk his favorite teammate because he was a

879
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: reliable teammate, an absolute war daddy, not very big, was

880
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: fearless to me, like when I think the Patriots beside Brady,

881
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: to me, Edelman is like Gronk, like Vrabel, like Bruski.

882
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 1: I mean, he's one of the first guys I think about.

883
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: What a badass um. Now he's the Hall of Famer

884
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: or not, That's been a conversation I've seen before. I

885
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 1: don't know. I love Julian Edelman. I have the utmost

886
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: respect for him, just as a as a consumer of football.

887
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 1: Fucking loved watch and employ He was just just a

888
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 1: special player man, really was. Couldn't cover him in the

889
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: slot feet his ability to get open. Think about the

890
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: Patriots really the last decade when they won their three

891
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,879
Speaker 1: Super Bowls, the second half they didn't have a star

892
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Their star wide receiver was their slot receiver

893
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 1: in their tight end. Sad day man, great Patriot. First off,

894
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,760
Speaker 1: I want to say, love the show, appreciate my question

895
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: is what's your opinion, what's your option on the rumors

896
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys are interested in drafting cow Pits. I'm

897
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: conflicted because he would be a great weapon for Doc,

898
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: but should the Cowboys focus on building a d especially

899
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 1: after the terrible last season. Thanks Tony, I talked about

900
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: it last week. I think it's a smoke screen. I

901
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 1: think they want an offensive lineman or they want a

902
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: sweet defensive player. I think they're using that now. Their

903
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: offense would be unstoppable. Kyle Pits, Ceedee Lamb and Mary Cooper,

904
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup, Tony Pollard, Zeke Elliott, sweet, mother of God,

905
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: what would you do? But how would they stop anybody?

906
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 1: They would be like the New York or I guess

907
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 1: the Brooklyn Nets score a hundred fifty, give up one forty.

908
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: But if you've got Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving, James Harden,

909
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 1: New Cares so I I think they would think about it.

910
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 1: But to me, the move is defense. If you have

911
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 1: a premium player on defense that they need defensive help.

912
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 1: Quick question about being a scout. When you are a

913
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 1: scout for a team, are you assigned to school to

914
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: scout a position? To scout a specific player to scout.

915
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: Good question. Your your five or six basic scouts are

916
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: called area scouts. They get My my third year with

917
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: the Eagles, I moved back out west and I did

918
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: the West. I had California, Arizona, Nevada, Oregon, Washington, uh Montana, Colorado,

919
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: New Mexico, big geographical area, not that many schools. You

920
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: have a guy in the SEC, you have a guy

921
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: in the Southwest, Midwest, you have a guy in the Northeast.

922
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: Then you have like assistant college director or kind of

923
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: like a roving scout that goes to all the top players,

924
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: like the top three or four rounds. So your area

925
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 1: scouts get the area. Your rover guy usually does the

926
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 1: top four rounds, your college director kind of does all

927
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: the big schools, and then your GM and player personnel

928
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,280
Speaker 1: guy do a little bit of everything. Right, They mainly

929
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: focused during the season on the top guys, and then

930
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: as the off season goes they kind of grade everybody.

931
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: So it's basically based, at least in my experience and

932
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,720
Speaker 1: my friends experienced it in the league, on areas or

933
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 1: the higher you get in, you know, like the hierarchy

934
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 1: of the company food chain, like if you become the

935
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 1: college director. You don't necessarily have an area. Your area

936
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: changes every year, right, You're always gonna be going to Alabama,

937
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: O House State, Oklahoma or whatever. But some years washingt

938
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: Him may have more guys than Iowa, that might have

939
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: more guys in Michigan State. So you just kind of

940
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: go around typically area based. Yes, good question. I have

941
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: a theory about Mac Jones of San Francisco. Maybe this

942
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: is just Shanahan doing his former team, the Falcons of

943
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: Solid by leaking that they're gonna go with Jones. Therefore,

944
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: leaving both Fields and Lance available at number four, that

945
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: number four pick becomes more valuable, does it? Not? True?

946
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: It does, But I don't think you can trade for

947
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: the number four pick before you know what the Niners do.

948
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: Unlike the Niners who traded for the pick well before

949
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,439
Speaker 1: the draft, you cannot trade the Falcons a first round

950
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,240
Speaker 1: pick without knowing who the Niners are gonna take. Because

951
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: what if you love Justin Fields and don't like Trey

952
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,439
Speaker 1: Lansing Mac Jones, and then all of a sudden you've

953
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 1: moved up and you're like, well, ship, I don't want

954
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,760
Speaker 1: these guys. I think the Falcons. I hear what you're saying,

955
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: but I don't think they would get a trade before

956
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,439
Speaker 1: the draft unless it Lestkyle Shanahan came out and said,

957
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: on a record, We're taken Mac Jones or Trey Lance

958
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: or whoever. Longtime listener, first time DM. I've been listening

959
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: to everyone all year since the Super Bowl, all talk

960
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 1: of that. This year's draft has been about everyone but Jacksonville.

961
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: Nobody is talking about the number one pick. The Jacks

962
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: have an all time franchise draft this year. They have

963
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,760
Speaker 1: five picks within the top sixty five and the number

964
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: one overall pick. If they messed this up, the franchise

965
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 1: will be moved. London, St. Louis, Mexico City, Tokyo, Oh, Tokyo.

966
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: You're thinking big decaide. It's been a terrible franchise in

967
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: a lowly market. They have hired Urban Meyer, who is

968
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: probably the best knowledge of this year's draft, scouting every

969
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: kid pre COVID, and his decisions will change the entire NFL.

970
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 1: I play a lot of Madden, always sweeten a question

971
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 1: when drops. I play a lot of Madden. And this

972
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,320
Speaker 1: is the most fun team to turn around because of

973
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 1: the sheer amount of cause and effect of the decisions

974
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: of a franchise. Jacksonville can have a legit team team

975
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: lose their team based on this draft, and nobody is

976
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: talking about it. Please take a look and then give

977
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: them thoughts. Middle cop the GM, what would you do well?

978
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 1: To me, the number one key is they have two keys.

979
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: Urban Meyer has to be a good coach because they

980
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 1: haven't really had great coaching. Let's face it, Doug Moron,

981
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: you know, kind of a clown like Doug Maron is

982
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: just a low level NFL coach. He just is his

983
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: I mean, what was the guy's name his defensive coordinator

984
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:38,359
Speaker 1: last year? I forget the guys, Todd something, and they

985
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 1: just just low level. Now urbans a high level guy.

986
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 1: He has one everywhere he's been. If urban Meyer is

987
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: a top ten coach, then Trevor Lawrence is gonna be good.

988
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 1: He has all the talent. And they can be kind

989
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 1: of hit or miss on some of these picks. Now,

990
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: I'm with you. They have so many picks in the

991
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: top sixty five. They have several first round picks. The

992
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 1: next couple of years second round picks. You got a

993
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: nail players. But to me, it's gonna come down to

994
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,439
Speaker 1: urban Meyer in the in the in the quarterback. Now,

995
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: they have some weapons on offense. That rookie running back

996
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 1: was good. DJ Charks is good. They need some guys

997
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 1: on defense. They drafted a pass rusher last year. Can

998
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: they had another pass rusher? They have Josh Allen from

999
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. Um, they need a lot, right,

1000
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: they just need a lot. They drafted the rookie from

1001
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: Florida last year right in the corner, uh CJ Henderson.

1002
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 1: So they I mean they have talent on their team.

1003
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: If they hit on two or three of these guys

1004
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: on top of Lawrence, yeah, they could be good. Here's

1005
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: the problem. That division is good. The Colts are gonna

1006
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:46,280
Speaker 1: be good. The Titans are good. The Texans are a disaster.

1007
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: John loved the Podty seven and played Madden forever. We

1008
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: got some Madden die hearts. I know the players in

1009
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 1: the league are very aware of the are ratings and

1010
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: things like that, but I was curious if you thought

1011
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: the gms and scouts viewed it as relevant at all.

1012
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: Could be one of the reasons we see so many

1013
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 1: trades and more aggressive moves with the younger guys. I

1014
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: hear what you're saying. I would imagine the majority of

1015
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: general managers have absolutely zero clue what anyone's ratings are

1016
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 1: in Madden unless they have like a GMS like sixty

1017
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: and has like a kid that's twenty. I guess you

1018
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: could be like fifty and have a kid that's like

1019
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: right twenty or fifteen or whatever, and they're playing Madden.

1020
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: I would imagine most of them are not paying attention.

1021
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 1: If you told me that there was a trade based

1022
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: on Madden, I would say that that team has some problems.

1023
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 1: I would I would read flag that team. But I

1024
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:50,760
Speaker 1: know what you're saying. The Raiders of stockpiled d Lineman

1025
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: sort of short up the old line but still need

1026
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: one and still have a lot invested in the underperforming

1027
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: linebacking corpse. Who would be their best pick in the

1028
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: second Area seven team or are they likely to reach

1029
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:03,879
Speaker 1: for the fourth year in a row and then maybe

1030
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 1: sign someone like Richard Sherman Pretty please? With sugar on top,

1031
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: let's find Las Vegas a fucking pass rush in two

1032
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 1: thousand twenty, Daniel, I think they have to get a

1033
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: middle linebacker that can run the Raiders defense. Since I've

1034
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:24,439
Speaker 1: been watching really really closely, the last decade has been

1035
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: just up I mean, gotta be the slowest in the league.

1036
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 1: They feel like they move like molasses. Even the year

1037
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: Khalil Mack one defensive Player of the Year, and I

1038
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 1: think it was an All Pro multiple positions. He had

1039
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: to make every play. When your linebackers fast like Fred Warner,

1040
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 1: Luke Kikley, Bobby Wagner, Eric Hendricks, your defense plays fast.

1041
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:50,800
Speaker 1: Now when you have like I saw it with the

1042
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 1: Niners when they had Willis and Bowman, you couldn't do

1043
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: anything on them. Now that's an outlier situation. But when

1044
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 1: your middle linebacker is a playmaker and can go so

1045
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 1: I'd line the sideline in this modern day game and

1046
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: cover running backs oude of the backfield. It changes your defense.

1047
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: It makes your pass rush better. Ro Kwan Smith gonna

1048
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 1: be one of the bears best players for the next decade.

1049
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 1: I need a playmaking Jesse at middle linebacker. So whoever

1050
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: the best middle linebacker is on the board, and I

1051
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 1: think there's several, And I think there's a guy at

1052
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 1: a Notre Dame who I know Daniel Jeremiah likes. And

1053
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 1: if Danie Jeremiah likes, Mike Mayock likes him, that's who

1054
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: I take. They need a playmaker. I would move Jonathan

1055
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: Abram at two linebacker and have him play in the box.

1056
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,359
Speaker 1: He's not a safety. He cannot cover, but he can

1057
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 1: make plays and he can tackle. I need team speed

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Speaker 1: if I'm Gus Bradley, because right now that defense is slow.

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Speaker 1: It looks like syrup coming out of the bottle and

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Speaker 1: Mahomes all those guys run right around him. They cannot

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Speaker 1: stop a nose bleed. And the way to stop a

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Speaker 1: nose bleed if you don't have elite pass rushers, which

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Speaker 1: they don't, is to have fast playing defensive you know,

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Speaker 1: linebackers or safeties. And Jonathan Abram can't play fast, but

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Speaker 1: he can't cover, so I need him making plays in

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Speaker 1: the box at a middle linebacker. Get those two guys

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Speaker 1: down near the box and have them make a lot

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Speaker 1: of place. That would help immensely. Appreciate everyone listening, Have

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Speaker 1: a great day, Audios, godspeed,