1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,120 Speaker 1: back to another edition of All the Smoke Stack. What's good, Baby, 4 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: Man's good? My brother. We ain't done one of these 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: remotes in a minute, and I wish this one in 6 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: particular wasn't the motherfucking remote. I wish we had this 7 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: dude sitting right next to us because I just want 8 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: to tell a little story real quick. So, and we 9 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: were getting set up before the show and I'll I 10 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: hear his cam's voice. I can't see him on the 11 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: thing yet, and one of our behind the scenes guys 12 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: just trying to get him set up, and he said, 13 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: you know, Cam, do you have any headphones you can 14 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: put on? He said, yeah, but it's sucking up my 15 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: fun sway. And then as soon as he said that, 16 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 1: he comes on the screen and I see how flying 17 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: is like this nigg is crazy. Let's get it. Yeah, 18 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: So man, welcome to the show, Cam Newton Man. We 19 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 1: appreciate your time, bro. My brother Man was good with 20 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: the fellas you look. Go ahead. It's a long time coming, man. 21 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: I've been on with y'all this so you know, I'm 22 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: an open book. You look clean, boy, I'm gonna tell 23 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: you that much. You know, like I told like I 24 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 1: told stack In in a in a warm up. Man, 25 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: it's just an open court lay up day. Man. It's 26 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: easy to get it. Let's get it. I mean, I 27 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: really don't get We've been blessed to have some of 28 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: the biggest and the best. I don't really get excited 29 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 1: for interviews, but I was excited for this one because 30 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: I kind of feel like I'm a football head and 31 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: fan first, and just watching your progression over your career 32 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: and who you are as a person and who you're 33 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,479 Speaker 1: portrayed as in the media. I just like, we gotta 34 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: have this conversation because there's such a misconception of who 35 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: I feel I don't even personally really know you. We 36 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: didn't run across each other a couple of times, y'all. 37 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 1: You know Jack well, But I just feel like there's 38 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: a misconception of Cam Newton the man, the father, the person, 39 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: even the athlete in my opinion. So we're definitely gonna 40 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: get down to that today. I say, less man, I'm 41 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: I'm honored to even you know what I'm saying. Being 42 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: you guys, presence. Y'all real, O GS, you feel me 43 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: and I owed hes because of what y'all, what y'all 44 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: did on the court, but more so O G s 45 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 1: that y'all can go anywhere and be good and coming 46 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: from where we come from, bro, That's that's really the 47 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: biggest thing. It ain't about setting records on you know 48 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: what I'm saying in your field. It's about setting records 49 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: for the lives that you impact. And that's how I've 50 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: been from day one. And it ain't for everybody to know, 51 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:27,519 Speaker 1: you know, but if you know, you know right well 52 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 1: can with the world. The last man year and a 53 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: half going on two years now has been up and down. 54 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:37,079 Speaker 1: We've had the George Floyd situation, we had the police brutality, 55 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: we had the pandemic. We played a little bit of 56 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 1: sports in between. Where's Cam Newton at right now? First 57 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 1: and foremost which is most important mentally? But then how 58 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: also how is your body? Man? I think the my 59 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: mood for the rest of the year, and it should 60 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: be for the rest of my life, is protecting my 61 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: peace at all costs. Talked to him and you know, 62 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: being a father first, you know, being faith based, being 63 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: a business owner, and before all that, well not before 64 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: all that right there in the middle, you know what 65 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 1: I'm saying, at high priority, trying to be the best 66 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: football player that I could possibly be. It's a lot 67 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 1: of mental strain. And I'll be the first person to 68 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: tell you going to the psychiatric person having a person 69 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: to talk to wasn't In all cases are outlets, you know, 70 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: as a black man, you just had to deal with it. 71 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: So me having my own sees now and they come 72 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: in of age, seeing how they're you know, progressively coming 73 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: into their own type of distinct personalities. It forces you 74 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: to just kind of sit back and and and and 75 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: really put things into perspective. And uh man, I think now, 76 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: you know, at third or two years old, you know, 77 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: like you know, you never get to a point where 78 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: you just figure out life. But knowing the journey that 79 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: I'm on is just being at peace, knowing that all 80 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: you can do is all you can do, and all 81 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: you can do is enough. You said something right there, Um, 82 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: I felt like a thirty one. As you said, you 83 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: never really figure out life, but you feel like you're 84 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 1: starting to get a better understanding. I felt like a 85 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: thirty one at that time. I was I had been through, 86 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: you know, played well, been through some trouble off the core, 87 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: going through a real public uh split up, and then 88 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 1: it led to divorce. But I really felt like a 89 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: thirty one is when my wheels started turning. And you know, 90 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: how's an athlete, how the game starts to slow down. 91 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: I felt like life started to slow down, and I've 92 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: seen ship coming, so I can start dodging that ship 93 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: a little quicker at thirty one is. It's kind of 94 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: when I felt that. So I love to hear you 95 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 1: know that's how you're you're getting to it now because 96 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 1: some other fucker's never get it or they get it 97 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 1: a little too late, and it's gone. So oh yeah, 98 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 1: without a doubt. See. See the thing is for me too. 99 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: I always had an older brother, so I always moved 100 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: at a higher frequency than than my age was. See, 101 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 1: and that's why I'm enjoying this conversation. And we ain't 102 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 1: but three or four minutes in. But y'all, old cats, 103 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: y'all don't seeing the game. You know what I'm saying. 104 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 1: Even when I was chopping it up with with with 105 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 1: stat prior to you know, years and years and years ago, 106 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: when he was with the Bobcats. I would enjoy. I 107 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 1: would enjoy those type of talks because you know, whether 108 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 1: he knew it or not, he was putting me up 109 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 1: on games, showing me how to move. You know what 110 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 1: I'm saying. Everything ain't fosed to be for Instagram and 111 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: Twitter and things like that. You know what's better. What's 112 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: what's better to show it and not really have it, 113 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: or to do it and not really show people. So 114 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:39,679 Speaker 1: that's that's, that's that's our rock and roll. Speaking to Charlotte. 115 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: Let me let me say speaking of Charlotte, man, this 116 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: this is just when I fell in love and I 117 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: knew he was my brother Matt. You know when he 118 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: came in, you know, it was nothing bigger than him 119 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: and me. When I was just starting to wrap, he 120 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: pulled up to my album, at least part of Matt. 121 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,119 Speaker 1: It was on about ten people up for Cam Newton 122 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: was in the building and he was he was right. 123 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 1: But just the fact that he showed up, that's that's 124 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 1: that's that's that's when I knew he was one of us, 125 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 1: bro because it was it wasn't it wasn't what he 126 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: was doing, it was who he was. That that I 127 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: fell in love with man, and I always have respect 128 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 1: for him, and that's I always wrote for him since 129 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: that day, bro, because that man a lot. To see him, 130 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 1: to see him pull up on me and support me 131 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 1: at that time, and that's what's up. It means a lot. 132 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 1: You know, you can realize that. You know what I 133 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: mean is it's the little things. And I mean, since 134 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 1: we're telling stories, I first ran across him at the 135 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: Kid's Choice Awards and you know, the twins love football too, 136 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: and they've seen Kim and Kim was getting harassed and 137 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: all this ship this isn't that And with Grabman, he 138 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: was one foot already in the car. Yeah, you remember, 139 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: I was like, Kim, let me get a picture of 140 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 1: my boys. And he turned around and look he's like, 141 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 1: oh man, anything for y'all and came and the absolutely 142 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: they couldn't stop talking about this motherfucker for like three days. 143 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: Let me took a picture with Kim new you know what, 144 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: that ship just tickled him. And like I said, it's 145 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: the little things that go a long way. And that's 146 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: why I said to beginning, like that's kind of we 147 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 1: haven't really ran across each other outside of that, but 148 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 1: that's why, just because like that little ship right there, 149 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 1: being a you know how much that means to your 150 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 1: kids to make you need to make them happy. I 151 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: was just like, yeah, I'm excited about this. Or when 152 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 1: they locked you and I'm like, yo, we've been trying 153 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: to get this nigga for a long time, so let 154 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: me let me go and sit let me go on and 155 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: and tell my story. Right, So you know this, this 156 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: always stat right, That's always sat right. So when I 157 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: first moved it, when I first got to Charlotte, we 158 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: was on the lockout right, And this was when the 159 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: league was kind of flipped upside down, you know, NFL 160 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: p a, NFL gate, going back and forth. We don't 161 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: know if we're gonna have a season, so I had 162 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: a lot of downtime. I remember moving to Charlotte like 163 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: on a humbug because I had already had money from endorsements, 164 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: so I could, you know, get my I wasn't waiting 165 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: on the NFL check when I was in Charlotte for 166 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: that time, and I had round on how I ran 167 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: into stat but we got into each other's information and 168 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: he invited me to the crib. You know what I'm 169 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: saying me, I travel light, you feel me it's probably 170 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: me and a plus one at most. And you know, 171 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: I always kinda I don't know who I who I've been, 172 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: but I've always been comfortable in environments that that's cultured. 173 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: You feel me when I walk in man fought man, dude, 174 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: got you know, chef. They're just just the family ambiance 175 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: of like a cookout field. You did, and I remember, 176 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, walking in and everybody was 177 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: just you know, playing cars, doing all the little bit too, 178 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: and just having an open conversation. And he was just 179 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: dropping jams. Then bro, like boom, man, do this and 180 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: do that, do that? Do this? When I've been in 181 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: Charlotte X y Z years and then boom and then 182 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: all I adn't even know he would had a spot 183 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 1: in Atlanta. So when we got to Atlanta. When I 184 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: got to Atlanta, I pulled up on him. Then you 185 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And then but he didn't know 186 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: I was just I was I was really peeping him 187 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 1: how he moves. You know what I'm saying. Bro, he 188 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: took care of so many people and he had everybody here. 189 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: But the thing is this, it's a lot of dude 190 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: was that you meet and he got a lot of 191 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: yes men, and people got a lot of yes men 192 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: around him. But even everybody around him knew what they 193 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: were supposed to be doing. You know what I'm saying. 194 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: It didn't matter if it was if it was, it 195 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: wasn't no rank, it wasn't a bro. I need my 196 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: car washed, all right, Bro, I got that tomorrow, a 197 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,079 Speaker 1: bro manny gas in the car. Man, we're about to 198 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: go out, man, then we're gonna take care of that. 199 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: It was just folks, just I was like, man, I 200 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: need that. I need that behind the scenes, you know, 201 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: perfection to make own the scenes. You know, almost worked 202 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: simultaneous and so man, man, real talk. So you know 203 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: I was I've been on you know, Stacking and his 204 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: whole crew, and it was just all love, you know 205 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: what I mean. And he never really you know, he 206 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: did something or or made me come like hold on, bro, 207 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: like you don't you don'ta do that? Man? Pull up 208 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: to me at the club, pull up to me here, 209 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:54,719 Speaker 1: and pull up to me there. And they ain't too 210 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,599 Speaker 1: proud to say, Man, I'm seeing everything, you know what 211 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: I'm saying. How he moved, how he you know what 212 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,079 Speaker 1: I'm saying, When he a while you know, does he 213 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: want to be seen things like that, and a lot 214 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: of people they'd be so scared to even say that 215 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: you're a fan or I'm a fan of you, or 216 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: I'm learning from you, you know, because a lot of 217 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: dudes come into this game and they don't know how 218 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: to move. They get sloppy, you know, they don't got 219 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 1: dudes to be like broke all right, wind down a 220 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: little bit, bro. You you you you high right now? 221 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: You drunk right now? You know you ain't driving? You 222 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Bro, your girl in here, bro 223 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: like hey like the real ship that. You know, a 224 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:32,439 Speaker 1: lot of people, a lot of people exactly, a lot 225 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: of people don't need they too. They too professional brand 226 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: based to say, man, hold on dog like now you 227 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: too live right now? Bro, man put some cologne on. 228 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like it's a lost art 229 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: because you know, me and Jack talk up. When we 230 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: came in the league, the league was old, so we 231 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: had our O G s. You know what I mean, 232 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: We all had O O G. You know, I have 233 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: to see Webb. Jack had his O G. So there 234 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: was always someone to help you, just like you said, 235 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 1: move and understand the game and peepe game from but 236 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: we almost feel like sports as a whole, but particularly 237 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: basketball I'm not sure about, but I'm sure football too. 238 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: It's a young man's game. The vets are still just 239 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: popping out their twenties, you know what I mean. So 240 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: it's just like you don't get that that over the 241 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: shoulder big brother love you need anymore. And that's why 242 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: you see a lot of ship, and even when you 243 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: get it, you're still gonna sunk up like we did. 244 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: But I'm just saying that get it'll help you. That's 245 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:26,319 Speaker 1: some of the other ship as well. Experience is the 246 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: thing is though. These kids. But I want to say kids, man, 247 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: these young cats, man, they come into the league and 248 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: they get too prid for you know what I'm saying. 249 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: They don't they don't need recognize, Bro, how many years 250 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: this is for you? Eight fifteen, sixteen? Man? Bro, Let's 251 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: do dinner. Bro, Hey man, let's let's They're so caught 252 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: up into followers and bustdowns and you know things like 253 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: that that I don't even matter, you know what I'm saying. 254 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: I would always tell a dude, I'm like, bro, if 255 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: the ship get bigger than the rabbit, you gotta kill 256 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: the rabbit. Don't care what it is. It could be 257 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: a girl, it could be jury, it could be your 258 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: side hustle, it could be family, it could be whatever. 259 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: If that's if that ship get bigger than what you 260 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: what you're here to do, and that's to win football games, 261 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: win basketball games. Be down then when you're there, if 262 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: you can't do both at one time, Bro, you gotta 263 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: get rid of that distraction. You got to because you 264 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 1: gotta understand what a is before you even get to 265 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: be or see the son of Jackie and ccil Newton 266 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,959 Speaker 1: Senior Pops played a little bit in the NFL um 267 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: brother playing the league. It's in your jeans. Talk to 268 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: me about your upbringing and what your household was like 269 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: as a child. So for me, man, I was I 270 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: was raised the right way, you know what I'm saying. 271 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 1: I grew up in a three parents household, my mom, 272 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: my dad, and my grandma. So the yes sirs and 273 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 1: the no sirs and no man's and yes ma'am's. That 274 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: was that still and still to me today. And uh 275 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,959 Speaker 1: grew up in the church, Pentecostal church, you know what 276 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,719 Speaker 1: I'm saying. So we was in church all day I'm 277 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: a preacher son. So you know, I was kind of 278 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: sheltered growing up. But all my friends came from battered households, 279 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: single parent homes, you know what I'm saying. Section eight. 280 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: And I gravitated to that, you know what I mean. 281 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: And it was it wasn't until I was in high 282 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,559 Speaker 1: school when it when it hit me that bro, you 283 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: kind of like that chosen person because even though you know, 284 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: like being in certain situations where it's like, bro, the 285 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 1: average dude whet step into this type of party, this 286 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: type of atmosphere. But I was thinking of myself. But 287 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: I'm man, I'm with the I'm with the bros. Man, 288 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 1: I'm with my potners, and I'm feeling I feel so safe, 289 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So you know that's how 290 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: I kind of grew up like I would I wouldn't 291 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: be the person to be like man. I grew up 292 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: in the slum. Now now I grew up in a 293 00:13:56,559 --> 00:14:00,040 Speaker 1: great household. Man. And as I as I took on 294 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:04,559 Speaker 1: on you know what what you may gain from the sport, 295 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: That's when I started learning like about that other side, 296 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: that the many different temptations that life has an offer. 297 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,959 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So yeah, you know, as 298 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: far as being a business owner, you know, my brother 299 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: runs my cigar lounge in Atlanta. I'm all about enhancing, 300 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: you know, my community in a positive way. I heard 301 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: you guys you know got you know coaches, uh y'all 302 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: Son's team and I gotta all start football seven or 303 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: seven team. Man. That that's my way of giving back, um, 304 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: you know. And and and really being a big brow 305 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: to these fatherless kids, you know what I'm saying. And 306 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: they don't. They don't necessarily they see respect as weakness 307 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: rather than as as a power, you know what I mean. 308 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: So that's really that's really what I've been on, man, 309 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: And and and trying to maximize the person cam rather 310 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: than the professional cam. And that's that's really what it is. 311 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: When did again with with with the lineage of it 312 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: kind of being in your blood, When did football or 313 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: sports as a whole, because I know you played everything 314 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: growing up, When did you find that love for sports? Man? 315 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: It was earlier. I started playing football at the age 316 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: of seven, and I just remember my dad, you know, 317 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: putting our our paths on. And you know, I wanted 318 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: to be everything with my dad was and still to 319 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: this day. My dad preached every single Sunday and the 320 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: order that he that he that he walks into the room. 321 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: You know, you just know he's somebody. You know, being 322 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: at Alpha male, you feel me like being able to 323 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: look a man in his eye and said, you know what, 324 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: bro fucked up? Bro, matter of fact, I'm gonna give 325 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: you my word. I'm gonna give you this x y 326 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: z off. My word ain't ain't come from the from 327 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: from from the background where you gotta man, shake on it, man, 328 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: shake on it, shake on it. If you give a 329 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: person your word, that's what it is. And that's if 330 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: I say, I'm stand on it, stand on it. Hell 331 00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: of high water, Bro'll be able to say when you 332 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: made a mistake. So that's what it is. Shout out 333 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: o g cecil man. Uh who are you watching close 334 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: to the NFL when he was growing up? Who? Man, 335 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: I'm from Atlanta, so you already know Michael Vick. Hey, 336 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: I knew the answer to that, like real talks like 337 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: Michael Vick and still is you know what I'm saying, 338 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: Like here a person that paved the way for so 339 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: many others like me. You know, I can't forget about 340 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: events young can't forget about Steve McNair, Donovan McNabb uh, 341 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: Aaron Brooks, Dante. You know what I'm saying. So so 342 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: all them folks is warm moon, you know what I mean. 343 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: All the folks really gave me an opportunity, you know, 344 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: to be me. So now when I'm looking at the Lamars, now, 345 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: when I'm looking at De Shaun's, now I'm looking at 346 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: the Patrick Mahomes and the Russell Wilson's and you know 347 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: that Kylin Murray's and and cats. That's really out here 348 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: doing it. Man. It ain't no hate. There never be 349 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: no hate. Man. It's just like man, the boys doing 350 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: it and they're making me better because the game is 351 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: a young man's game. But you still got attributes that 352 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 1: you know. The father Tom can only teach you by 353 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 1: going through certain situations. So there it is. I can 354 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 1: said of Mike Vick as the AI novice of the NFL, 355 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: that's how I look at him. Well, he I showed 356 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: us about how we can be and how we and 357 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 1: we don't have to change to be we all we 358 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 1: all we gotta do is to take care of our 359 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 1: business and we still can be accepted. You know what 360 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 1: I'm saying, I think Mike Vick is the same as 361 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,199 Speaker 1: the NFL version of AI to me, describe, describe your 362 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: describe your whop background though, because you know, we got 363 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 1: to talk about this, you know, last every time we 364 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: talked about basketball, you you know, claim your baby braun 365 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: and all this stuff. Baby honest, baby honest. But you 366 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 1: know what I mean. But now now, so the bunch 367 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: to school and the Ana by way of west Lake 368 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: and west Lake is a basketball school. Man, I probably 369 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: can count on one hand. We probably lost with three 370 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: games my whole high school career, you know what I'm saying. 371 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 1: And one of them, one of them games was it 372 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: was a state championship. We went thirty two and o 373 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,120 Speaker 1: my junior year. That was my last complete season because 374 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: I graduated early. My last complete season. Uh and uh 375 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 1: we lost in the state championship. So we went thirty 376 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: two on one that year and got don't got nothing 377 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 1: to show for it but average your average, Come on, man, 378 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: you know about six points, you know. But I made 379 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: him look great though, But we didn't talk about stats though. 380 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:53,679 Speaker 1: You know, yes, I'm a competitor, bro. You know, we 381 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: had it. We had a really legit team. You know 382 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So we got kids that was had 383 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: a guy, uh six or eleven, he went to Maryland. 384 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: Another kid another guy at six seven went to Georgia. Uh. 385 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: And we just had slashers and then and then and 386 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 1: then high school. If you gotta slash or some ball 387 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: control guys that can get to the cup, man, that's 388 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: what that's what. That's what we was doing. You know 389 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But I'm not going to be these 390 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: dudes that be like bro average thirty two double double. Nah. Bro, 391 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 1: I knew I was going to play football. Bro, you know, 392 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: I mean it is what it is like, y'all can 393 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: have this. I could play defense, you feel me. But 394 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: talk to us about I mean, obviously if you played 395 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: baseball as well, but you excelled in football, Um, and 396 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: talk to us what your high school experience was like 397 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: in football? Man? It was everything. It was everything. I 398 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: was one of them knucklehead kids. Maybe he was having 399 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 1: a conversation last last night with my production company and 400 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 1: just talking about high school, like, Bro, I don't know 401 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: like how I graduated early. I don't even know how 402 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 1: I managed to get out of high school because I 403 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: was just so immature. Bro, you know what I mean, 404 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: And I feel I adn't believe fat meat was greazy dog. 405 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 1: And I was always I was always pushing everything to 406 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: the limit. You know what I'm saying, Cam skipping school, 407 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: going to McDonald's, going to Saxby's, just going just in trouble, 408 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 1: just the stupid stuff. But man, I had a great 409 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: supporting cast, the people who believed in me as teachers 410 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: and people of power that that just thought the world 411 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 1: of me to tell me, you know, what I needed 412 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,239 Speaker 1: to do and how I needed to move. And you 413 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: know one thing about me in school and I was 414 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 1: talking to my daughter about this. It didn't matter what 415 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 1: the subject was. It didn't matter what the the the 416 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: the situation was if the person that was teaching the 417 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: subject was cool with me and understood how to teach me. 418 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: It could be it could have been hooked on phonics, 419 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: it could have been scientology, it could have been science, 420 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: it could it could have been anything. But to be 421 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 1: able to really understand and say, you know what, Bro, 422 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 1: this how we're gonna do it. This is how I'm 423 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: a teacher. And it's still like that's still in coaching, 424 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: as y'all can know. You know, some of your best coaches. 425 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: They probably didn't know, you know, the philosophical things about 426 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: the game, but they got the most out of you 427 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: because they knew how to to to relate to you. 428 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, it's huge. I mean, that's 429 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: what I say. That is the most important thing that 430 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 1: I mean transferred into coaching now it's not so much 431 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 1: about X and it's about relating. Because it's such a 432 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: young man's game. You gotta be able to relate to 433 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: these younger kids, and particularly basketball. That's why you're seeing 434 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: some of these young former players now getting head coach 435 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 1: head coaching jobs and they're black, so it's just like 436 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: they understand it like that. You've gotta be able to 437 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: relate to these dudes. That's the most important thing. Can 438 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 1: you can you captivate their minds and then taking them 439 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: where you're trying to get them to go. Not let 440 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: me ask you all this though, do you think with 441 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: you know, I think was about eight to twelve, uh, 442 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: around that range of head coaches that you know that 443 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: got head coaching jobs that that were minorities, do you 444 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: think it's the best move you know, not necessarily for 445 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: the culture, but you know, the best move for these 446 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: organizations moving forward, because it is at the end of 447 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: the day, it still comes down to wins and losses. 448 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: Do you think these coaches can win basketball games? I 449 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 1: think it's dope with some of them because some of 450 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: them have enough experience, you know, like Johnson and j Kid. 451 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: Those guys are well respected. So a lot of these players, 452 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: especially players that I know of the players like me, 453 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 1: I take heed to what they're saying because they've actually 454 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 1: been in those walls. They actually know what it takes 455 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: to to be great, So you know, it's different. But 456 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: then you got coaches that, you know, minority coaches that 457 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: are students, are the game. You know that that could 458 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 1: actually teach players, you know what I mean. So it's 459 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: it's just good to see guys that's been around the game, 460 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: that played the game get a chance to leave these teams. 461 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: You know. I agree. I think it's important just to 462 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: have representation. Like you said, at the end of the day, 463 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 1: it's about wins and losses. But you're never gonna know 464 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: unless you give them a try. The NBA has been 465 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: known for recycling and and I say this with the 466 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: utmost respect, old white coaches they get recycled. They go 467 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 1: one way, burned out, go to another place, burn it out, 468 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,880 Speaker 1: go somewhere else, burn it out, and not really give 469 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: black coaches opportunities. But in the past, when they did 470 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 1: give black coaches opportunity would be on a really bad team. 471 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: So you're already on the leash, you know what I mean. 472 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: So now I think the tide is starting to change. 473 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 1: And what I think is dope about it too, is 474 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: because you gotta think they're not there. In the past, 475 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: it wasn't very many black head coaches, but there's always 476 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: black assistance and then black assistance. It's probably the same 477 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:23,919 Speaker 1: thing in football. Go talk to Kim Strip and go 478 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 1: talk to Stacky's trip. I mean, so, like I said, 479 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: that goes back to being be able to relate to 480 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: the players. So when these people move a couple of 481 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: seats up to that head job, like Jack said, we 482 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: gotta understand and fill them out. But at the same time, 483 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 1: I no, I'm gonna run through a wall for motherfucker 484 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 1: like that, because he gets me and he's been here, 485 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: so you're gonna give it you all. So I think 486 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: that's why I mean, I think that's it's great. I 487 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: want to say there's thirteen uh, Black coaches down when 488 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: they hired seven this season, and six were assistants. So, 489 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 1: like I said, it's just like they they were the 490 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: cool assistant coach. Now they're getting a chance to really 491 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: show what they know. So I think that's dope. But 492 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: you also got to understand too, for these players that's 493 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: coming out man the nineteen. You know what I'm saying. 494 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: So if I'm if I'm a franchise owner, I'm gonna 495 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: try to say, Man, I'm about to draft a kid 496 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: he ain't He can't even go to a club legally. 497 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I need somebody that's gonna 498 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: be that father figure that tells him, that can relate 499 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: to him, knowing what kind of background he came from. 500 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. To assign certain people to 501 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,919 Speaker 1: to see like a bro. You know, the dude that 502 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: you're hanging around with, Bro, you know what I mean, 503 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 1: let me talk to him. You know what I mean, 504 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,120 Speaker 1: Let me let me see if he got your best 505 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: interests or not. Because you know, if you get a guy, 506 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 1: if you get a culture guy to buy into you, bro, Man, 507 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: that type of loyalty different, you know what I'm saying. 508 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,120 Speaker 1: And still still to this day as people man that 509 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: didn't look like me that I owe you know, everything, 510 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: and the bag of chips because they gave they gave 511 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: me a chance. They said, look look at this, let 512 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,400 Speaker 1: me show you this, let me put you up on this. 513 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,199 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, And uh, I tell the 514 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: Story's funny. Man. One of my mentors, you know, Tim Jackson, 515 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: and he was at Alburn with me and he took 516 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:11,640 Speaker 1: me to my first steakhouse, right, and I just remember then, 517 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: you know, a Caucasian guy coming into this time of 518 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: my life where my trust was battered. You know, I 519 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: had went to Florida, things that work out there. I 520 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: went to junior college. Things worked out there to put 521 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: me to propel me back to that main stream. And 522 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: Tim was a person that I could talk to about life, 523 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 1: not just football. And when he gained my trust, he 524 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 1: protected me like nobody's business, you know what I'm saying. 525 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: And it was like damn. Like usually we're like we're 526 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 1: going through a times where it's like, man, racism is 527 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: is every single day, But every every white person not racist. 528 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Every black dude ain't no gangster. 529 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: Every dude with long hair. You know what I'm saying 530 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,880 Speaker 1: in the grill. That don't mean that he's uneducated either, 531 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: you know, that's just where he's coming from. So I 532 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 1: just I just remember, Man, I was like a like 533 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 1: like a lying in the damn in the projects, you know, 534 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: like damn, like what the hell I supposed to get? 535 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 1: He took me to boarding steakhouse in l A And uh, 536 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: I was out there doing a Jay Leno show because 537 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,199 Speaker 1: I had just won the Hidsman. And I was so 538 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 1: embarrassed because I was like, Man, I thought Longhorn was 539 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: the premium steakhouse. You know what I'm saying. Like Red 540 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 1: Lots was like, Man, when we went to Red Lots 541 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: as a family, man, it was some type of man. 542 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: My dad just got a promotion of something. You know 543 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: what I mean, I ain't know, And you know, I 544 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 1: was embarrassed. So he was like, man, I ordered for you. Man. 545 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: Let him get the wedge sallette, let him get the 546 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 1: petite steak. And that was the first time I started 547 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: seeing food come out all the cart like, Man, let 548 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: me get this side of it. I said, let me 549 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: try the same macaroni. He's like, no, sir, you know 550 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: it comes out of cart y'all can kind of share. 551 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 1: Oh okay, well you know, well I let y'all pick 552 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: the size. You know, they ain't teach me that. Ain't 553 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: know Brenham, Texas unfortunately now or they didn't teach you 554 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: that in college park E and so you know what 555 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'm just a product of Atlanta, Georgia. That's 556 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: just out here, just just learning as I go. Yeah, yeah, hey, hey, 557 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: while we talking about high school football. You know, you 558 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: know my brother, my brother Matt, was All American football 559 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:21,439 Speaker 1: players foot. I'm just pitching. I'm just pitching Cam Newton 560 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 1: pass to map for six man. That that would have 561 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 1: been a nice look right there. It would have been 562 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: over that easy money, over size, that size, it can move. 563 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 1: I killed my senior I ran a four three nine, 564 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: had twenty eight testnowils, let the nation and touchdowns First 565 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,159 Speaker 1: team All Americans. Yeah, I was. I was recruited. I 566 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: could have went anywhere for football. I just chose longevity 567 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: basketball because I I my senior year I had turf 568 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,719 Speaker 1: toe when I had to get surgery going into college, 569 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: so I knew I wasn't gonna play football. Actually went 570 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: out fro football UC going into my junior year and 571 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 1: basketball staff kind of blackballed me on some bullshit. But 572 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 1: that's why I said, I love football to death. So 573 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine I had a little white quarterback that 574 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: just do it wherever I needed. But I couldn't imagine 575 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 1: have a player. I think it run because my favorite 576 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,400 Speaker 1: thing was blocking. I love to come back and then 577 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: peel back blocks that they don't see me coming and 578 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 1: just motherfucking clean. They my favorite ship. So that would 579 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 1: have been fun. So very decorated high school career for you. 580 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 1: Five star recruit coming out of high school? What led 581 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: you to Florida? Which we were part of the number 582 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 1: one recruiting class in two thousand seven? Oh man, while 583 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 1: you know, I remember sitting down in the in the 584 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: in the and the coach's office with Urban Meyer, and 585 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,159 Speaker 1: you know he had all the bells and whistles. I 586 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: mean this. We we coached Alex Smith, number one, you know, 587 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: players selected. You know, we at Florida now where we're 588 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: doing big things. We just had the number one recruiting 589 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: class and Percy harv and Brandon Spikes, Tim Tebow, Brandon 590 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: James and then we're gonna follow it up with another. 591 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 1: You know we had. You know, this is really like 592 00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:59,959 Speaker 1: a thirty for thirty on the load that I've been 593 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: trying to work on for years. But you know, our 594 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: recruiting class maybe the best. And I'm not just capping 595 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: when I'm saying that. Come and say some names the 596 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: pounce you twins. You got Joe Hayden, you got myself, 597 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: you got Aaron Hernandez, you got um Deonte Thompson, you 598 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: got major right, you got you know, Carlos dunlap Um, 599 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: Chucks Man. We had so many, so many, but Chris Rainey, 600 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: so many players, am I Black? That was just you're 601 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: seeing this talent every single day, and all we wanted 602 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: to do was compete and play for championships. At that 603 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: particular point of time, they had the thing in sports 604 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: like Sports Illustrated, like Title Town USA, and boy, it 605 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 1: was like you at the US. That was when USC 606 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: was still usc UM and then obviously Florida was like 607 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 1: the East Coast version of the USC. It was like, broh, 608 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: you come here, you already know the plan is three 609 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: years and you out and Chucks, I feel like that 610 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: gave me the best ability. But you know, uh, Tim 611 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: Tebow is everything as advertised and song, and I just 612 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: I could say that I set the bench behind the 613 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: Hisman Trophy winner and probably arguably one of the best, 614 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: if not the best, of some people's eyes, the best 615 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,959 Speaker 1: college football player that ever, you know, lays it up 616 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: being the competitor you are. Obviously you're sitting back and learning. 617 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 1: But how hard was it knowing that you could, you know, 618 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,479 Speaker 1: knowing your capabilities of what you're capable of, but just 619 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: to sit back and have to take that? Man, I 620 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: think you guys won the championship that that year, right 621 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 1: or the next year? It was, Yeah, it was that year. 622 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: How hard is that in the for the competitor in you. Yeah, 623 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: So while I was at Florida my first day on campus, 624 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 1: really my second day on campus, they had won the 625 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 1: national championship. So right before I even took an enrolled 626 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: in any class, says, you know, they was already winning 627 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: the championship. That was Tim Tebow's freshman year, and then 628 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: they followed it up with a basketball championship, and he 629 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: was winning so many national championships softball and all that. 630 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: It was just like what where else, you know what 631 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: I'm saying. So, you know, me seeing that every single day, 632 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,239 Speaker 1: it kind of hit my hit my um, you know, 633 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: my mental because it's like, bro, am I am I bad? 634 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: Or am I not? Just playing? And it just takes 635 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: a lot of life to to to to live through 636 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: because I was really hope. I was in a situation 637 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: where I was hoping. That's not not Let me not 638 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: be misquoted when I say this. I was in a 639 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: situation where somebody had to get injured in order for 640 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 1: me to play, and I would I hated that. I 641 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: hated that because I know I had backups. You know 642 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,239 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. That was that that backed me up. 643 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: I wouldn't want them anything. And I want, you know, 644 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: cam the sprainers ankle so I could get an opportunity. 645 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: I want everybody to shine, you know what I'm And 646 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: so for me, it was it wasn't a good fit 647 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: for me. And even then, we still had a five 648 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 1: star recruit that was it was myself, we at one point. 649 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: At one point it was Tim Tebow myself. I was 650 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: a five star recruit coming out of Atlanta. You had 651 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: John Brantley, who was a five star recruit out of Florida. 652 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: He was Gatorade Player of the Year. And then we 653 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: had the number one junior college quarterback. Uh you know 654 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: at that time too, So it was like bro, it 655 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: was talent galore. So it just didn't work out. So 656 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: I'm fine with that. So you know, I just went 657 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: to junior college and you know, I had to really 658 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: boss up and ask myself, is this something that you 659 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 1: really want to do? And you know, being alienated from 660 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: my family for a year, it really grew like I 661 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: really grew into the man that I am today because 662 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: it's like being by myself. I'm more comfortable now like 663 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: when I was when I was when I was a 664 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: young jit running around Florida. Man, we all always ran 665 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: it clicks. We all it was the old seven Boys, 666 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like somebody was always gonna 667 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 1: be with somebody, you know what I mean. Which wasn't 668 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: a bad thing though, you know, but yet you know 669 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: when you when you when you step away from that 670 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: and you find your own piece, your own solitude and 671 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: becoming the person that you are, finding ways to get 672 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 1: yourself going and motivating yourself. You know, that's what happened 673 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: when I wanted to playing. So I I really came 674 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 1: down with with with a whole another culture from with 675 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: a lucky ki you know what I mean, you know, uh, 676 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: chopped up not slopped up. It was like it was 677 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: like I was going into a third world country. But 678 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, man, why a y'all listening to all the 679 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: slow music? Man? And they got all these crazy old 680 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: school old smobiles and catillacts with these big elbows and 681 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 1: pabo Oh my god. Man. It was just a culture 682 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 1: shock for me. But man, I loved it though. Man, 683 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 1: there was some genuine people man that I got. Love 684 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 1: for pray We would check we would check out Pray Off. 685 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: You will go down and check out the Texas relays 686 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 1: in Austin. Man, we will go in in Houston, a 687 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 1: college station all that. Man. So you know I'm very 688 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 1: equipped with with with my Texas culture. Man. And uh 689 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 1: you know that made me who I am? Did y'all 690 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 1: going to When he was playing and Juico I lost 691 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: one game on Halloween? You never forget it, never forget it. 692 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: And then you know the thing is, when we lost 693 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: that game, I ain't never still to this day man, 694 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 1: people just think about you know, me soaking and you know, 695 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 1: being a soul losing thing. I ain't never been cool 696 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: with losing. You know what I'm saying, because I went 697 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,760 Speaker 1: I won everywhere that I went, going back to red ball, 698 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 1: you know, I just told you. In high school, you know, 699 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: we went to the state championship. You know, even in college. 700 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,239 Speaker 1: You know, when I was at Florida, Man, we just 701 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 1: win and win and winning. Did I go to junior 702 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 1: college where we was undefeated at the time. We played 703 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: in the Boro Junior College and we lost on Halloween 704 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: and they ain't talk to nobody, no a lot for 705 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: a whole week. They thought I was like, they thought 706 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,080 Speaker 1: I was crazy, Like man, Bro, what can at? Bro 707 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: came in his room Donna talk to me, and I 708 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:03,959 Speaker 1: told him I was like, Bro, I don't do good 709 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,799 Speaker 1: with with losing. We played that team two weeks after that, 710 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,399 Speaker 1: just how the dream our season was over after that year, 711 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 1: they we played them in the first round of the playoffs, 712 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 1: beat the ship out of and then we end up 713 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,920 Speaker 1: winning the national championship and junior college. So you know, 714 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 1: we was we was We was laced, man, We was laced. Um. 715 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,959 Speaker 1: I want to back up real quick, because you said 716 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 1: an interesting name. Me being a huge football fan. Obviously, 717 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 1: I was a fan of Aaron Hernandez the player and 718 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 1: and and and how physically dominant and just a dog 719 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 1: he was on the field. Did him being a part 720 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 1: of your recruiting class, did you ever? What was he 721 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 1: like as a person and as a teammate and the 722 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 1: energy he brought to that field every day? Man, Chico 723 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:48,239 Speaker 1: was was a monster. But for everybody don Chico. They know, 724 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 1: like he's very goofy, outgoing, you know what I'm saying, 725 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,879 Speaker 1: human being loving. So when when the situation happened with him, 726 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: it was like damn, Like what huh? You know? But 727 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,360 Speaker 1: it just goes to show you, like when you go 728 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 1: into this next step of your life. I'm telling you 729 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 1: all these things, but one thing that I'm not telling you. 730 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,759 Speaker 1: I was broke as hell and in junior college. I 731 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 1: was broke as hell in college. I was broke as 732 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 1: hell in high school. You know what I'm saying. But 733 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,239 Speaker 1: now when you go to the league, when you got money, 734 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,400 Speaker 1: Oh man, that's a whole different monster that takes place. 735 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,240 Speaker 1: You feel me. No, it's not even in your vocabulary. 736 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 1: It's like, let me get that chain. No it's too expensive, man, Please, 737 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 1: how much it costs fitted thousand quarter meal? Five d 738 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 1: I'm willing to pay for it. You feel me, I 739 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 1: want this call boom, No, you can't have that. It's 740 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,880 Speaker 1: out of your man. Look, man, I'm paying whatever for 741 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 1: you feel me. I gotta be the first one to 742 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 1: have it. So, Man, you know, I don't know the 743 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 1: situation off top, but I could guarantee you it's just like, man, 744 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 1: when when you look at the situation and you kind 745 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 1: of dissected for what it is. It's just like, Man, 746 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,759 Speaker 1: he just got with a bad with a bad group 747 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 1: of guys that didn't tell him Like no, bro, like 748 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,879 Speaker 1: we're not doing that. You know what I'm saying. I'm 749 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 1: not gonna condone you moving in this type of manner, bro. 750 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,759 Speaker 1: So it is what it is. Yeah, So you go 751 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,800 Speaker 1: to junior college, UM, and then head off to Auburn. 752 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 1: Obviously with a chip on your shoulder. You know you're 753 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 1: back on the D one circuit. Uh. That two thousand 754 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,920 Speaker 1: ten season could go down to history is arguably one 755 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:18,760 Speaker 1: of the greatest seasons. Uh for anybody. You swept the awards, 756 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,239 Speaker 1: you won the highest men, you win the national championship. 757 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,399 Speaker 1: Talk to me with that jump back into D one 758 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 1: was like after having to kind of almost humble yourself 759 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,360 Speaker 1: going to junior college and then now you're back on 760 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 1: the biggest stage again. See, it was worse for me 761 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,839 Speaker 1: mentally because I had a taste of what Division one 762 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 1: football offer, you know what I'm saying. See a lot 763 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,360 Speaker 1: of guys they go straight from high school to dream college. 764 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: So it's like a little step before the big step. 765 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,359 Speaker 1: See It's almost like I took the biggest step and 766 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,239 Speaker 1: then missed the step and failed and then had to 767 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 1: come back up. You know, I knew what the Nike 768 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 1: sponsorships was. I knew what you know, having your books 769 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,239 Speaker 1: already outside it. You know what I'm saying, study Hall, 770 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,680 Speaker 1: going to study Hall, you know, things like that. So 771 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,759 Speaker 1: you know I was almost like the O G and 772 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,319 Speaker 1: JUCO because I would be you know, story time. You know. Man, 773 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 1: let me tell you what this was like. You know 774 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Man, We played l S shoot man. Man, 775 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,480 Speaker 1: we played in front of ninety thousand, a hundred thousand, 776 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 1: none of that, And like all my teammates are just 777 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,880 Speaker 1: like man for real, man, How tmto was? Man? How 778 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 1: pursase Harvard was? How are that isn't on the for 779 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 1: so man? That that got me through, But that kipt 780 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 1: having that vision and having that dream was the main 781 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 1: reason that propelled me back to where I needed to be. 782 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,480 Speaker 1: What it what it would it would have refined mind too, 783 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,279 Speaker 1: because if I would have had the starting that I 784 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 1: did have at all ver in that Florida, I probably 785 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,839 Speaker 1: wouldn't even be in this position going into eleven years 786 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 1: in the NFL because I wouldn't have respected it. I 787 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 1: didn't know how to move. I don't know how to 788 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 1: just you know what I'm saying, walk down the hill 789 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 1: rather than run down the hill. You feel me, and 790 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 1: you know my thing was just man, I just you know, 791 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 1: take it to I'm I'm a bus man, so I'm 792 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,759 Speaker 1: an work hard and I'm I'm gonna get everything that's 793 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,319 Speaker 1: old to me. You feel me, And that's how That's 794 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,319 Speaker 1: how I was rocking. Markeis Dames with the Auburn and 795 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 1: uh and he brought me to a game when Cam 796 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 1: was there. I mean, bro, that was the excitement and 797 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 1: the energy in that stadium. Bro, Oh my god, war 798 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,719 Speaker 1: eagle and that and that big eagle flowed around, that 799 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,200 Speaker 1: big eagle fall around. Man, I'm talking about the food 800 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,680 Speaker 1: was so good. I'm like, that was That's when I 801 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 1: fell in love with college football. I can't lie. You 802 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 1: know what would you blow? I was super blow there, 803 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 1: you know, super blow. I was super blow there. Hey. 804 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,279 Speaker 1: But my cousin Marca Spiser played the l s U 805 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:44,839 Speaker 1: and I never got a chance to see him play. 806 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,280 Speaker 1: He won. That's a championship. But when that at that time, 807 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,160 Speaker 1: when I got a chance to go see Cam play 808 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,880 Speaker 1: at Auburn, Bro, I fell in love with college football. 809 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,839 Speaker 1: Was nothing like it, Bro, nothing like it, man sid man, 810 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,840 Speaker 1: he look man. So members of my production team, we 811 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 1: guy uh, two members that that went to HBC US. 812 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,320 Speaker 1: My brother went to Two of my brothers went to HBC. 813 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,200 Speaker 1: My younger brother he's at albur now, but he started 814 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 1: at Howard right. And then my older brother went to 815 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,319 Speaker 1: Tennessee State University of t s U. You know, not 816 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,719 Speaker 1: to be you know, uh mentioned with the t s 817 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:25,759 Speaker 1: U Texas State. But um, you know telling everybody, Bro, 818 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:31,760 Speaker 1: the passion that you get from sec vibe college football 819 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,600 Speaker 1: is unmatched. I think the only thing that the only 820 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,120 Speaker 1: thing that's comparable to it is playoff football in the NFL. 821 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 1: You know, but that that man, we would see, we 822 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:47,920 Speaker 1: would see you know, the the campuses get packed on 823 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,600 Speaker 1: Wednesdays and you know the vibe when you when you're 824 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,040 Speaker 1: around like a special season. And I remember that season, bro, 825 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,279 Speaker 1: I just couldn't do no wrong, you know what I mean? 826 00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,560 Speaker 1: It was just like, man, we was winning every game. 827 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,560 Speaker 1: We was I don't know whether we were living right. 828 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 1: The guy was just on our side that you know, 829 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 1: that particular year because you know, you will go to 830 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,440 Speaker 1: class and that's when my life was changing. Like I'm 831 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,840 Speaker 1: signing autographs. It's just like, man, how many touchdowns this 832 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,439 Speaker 1: can gonna win? Well, however many he has, However many 833 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 1: touchdowns he has, that's that's gonna be the point curve 834 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 1: for the for the test. So it's like like y'all 835 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,839 Speaker 1: putting pressure on me in class. Not only that though, 836 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,320 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So you know, seeing that 837 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:30,279 Speaker 1: the fans outpour, you know, at that point you're not 838 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,879 Speaker 1: even though college athlete, you're not an amateur athlete no more. 839 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:35,800 Speaker 1: So it's kind of dope to see that the n 840 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,160 Speaker 1: C double a pass that rule for the kids to 841 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,279 Speaker 1: start making money because you're not. You're not viewed as 842 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,680 Speaker 1: an amateur no more. You know, what you do at 843 00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,040 Speaker 1: these clubs, what you do at these restaurants, what you 844 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,440 Speaker 1: do at you know, these different places is gonna be 845 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,360 Speaker 1: held up on ESPN, you know, not just your local news. 846 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,120 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And the money that they 847 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,839 Speaker 1: make on a given Saturday for college football, man, come 848 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,040 Speaker 1: on crazy. They don't they don't even speak. They don't 849 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:10,399 Speaker 1: say hi, hello, bye, What are you go? What you got? Yeah, Jack, 850 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,200 Speaker 1: you got a little taste of at that one game, 851 00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,319 Speaker 1: But there's nothing that cam you can speak to. Just 852 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,880 Speaker 1: that energy around campus during the season it's just electric, 853 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,359 Speaker 1: you know, especially when you got a big game coming up, bro, 854 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,080 Speaker 1: Like you can't wait to you know, I didn't even 855 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,200 Speaker 1: like going to class, but you know in big game weeks, 856 00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,920 Speaker 1: I motherfucker class early just because the energy the girls 857 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,120 Speaker 1: around the sun is out, like it's like, you know 858 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,400 Speaker 1: what's going down? And then what tops football? Office football? 859 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,680 Speaker 1: You mean, Jack? You know our biggest crowd is twenty thousand. 860 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:40,560 Speaker 1: If that these motherfuckers a hundred thousand motherfucking people screaming 861 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:47,760 Speaker 1: like a second right outside another another, tell them hundreds 862 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:52,799 Speaker 1: of thousands out southside thing for us, it'd be like 863 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:57,319 Speaker 1: the Tiger walk. I mean, your ears just blaring. It's 864 00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,520 Speaker 1: just like folks can touch you, they can scream, that 865 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,719 Speaker 1: can all they can root. They can do all this 866 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,640 Speaker 1: pure and it's pure. Man. Come on, man, like so 867 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,799 Speaker 1: for me and my for me and who I am today. Man, 868 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,640 Speaker 1: that's what I'd be telling these kids that's fifteen, sixteen, 869 00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 1: and seventeen that's in high school now. It's like the 870 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:19,000 Speaker 1: thing that I'm able to get through to them is like, Bro, 871 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,600 Speaker 1: my heart is pure. I need nothing from you, nor 872 00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,719 Speaker 1: do I want nothing from you. All I want you 873 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,719 Speaker 1: to do is do exactly what I'm doing. When you 874 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,279 Speaker 1: get into my position. I don't I'd under reached out 875 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:30,960 Speaker 1: to reach the tops. You know what I'm saying. I 876 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,400 Speaker 1: didn't see what college football has offer exactly. You know 877 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,520 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So you know when these kids and 878 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,920 Speaker 1: they live in their lives and you know, they defile started. 879 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,719 Speaker 1: I've been there, done that, you know what I'm saying, 880 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,680 Speaker 1: and got the soda and all that. You know what 881 00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,000 Speaker 1: I'm saying, I didn't I didn't see the woman. I 882 00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,560 Speaker 1: didn't seen you know what I'm saying that the sponsorships 883 00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,319 Speaker 1: and things like that, those back room meetings and this 884 00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,160 Speaker 1: that and the third Like, I didn't did all that. Bro, 885 00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,000 Speaker 1: Let me show you how to move and maneuver you 886 00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,040 Speaker 1: feel me, because you know you're gonna look like the 887 00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,160 Speaker 1: dumb ass if you get caught your feeling. So man, 888 00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,000 Speaker 1: that's that's how I'm able to kind of get through 889 00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,239 Speaker 1: these kids and tell them, like, look, bro, this is 890 00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,839 Speaker 1: how you go about your situation. You know, these are 891 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,359 Speaker 1: the questions that you ask your coaches because in some 892 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,480 Speaker 1: way shape for him. But to be honest with you, 893 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,400 Speaker 1: I wasn't even really supposed to go to Florida looking 894 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:23,560 Speaker 1: back at it, because of of of Tebow's dominance. But 895 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,720 Speaker 1: you know, my my mental is, like, man, I I'm 896 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,000 Speaker 1: a competitor. I'm gonna compete with anybody. It's just a 897 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,799 Speaker 1: little different when you know it's like, but that's Tim Tebow, bro, 898 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,799 Speaker 1: Like it ain't no bad. I wasn't listening and none 899 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,400 Speaker 1: of that, you know what I mean. I would have 900 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,880 Speaker 1: went to a situation that I could have you know, 901 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,799 Speaker 1: competed whatever. But it all worked out. Though, it all 902 00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,440 Speaker 1: worked out, So I'm not. I'm not I'm not. I'm 903 00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,799 Speaker 1: not mad at the situation. It's just it is what 904 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,760 Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, I mean you mentioned something interesting too. 905 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,239 Speaker 1: With the kind of success you had in college, can 906 00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,480 Speaker 1: you imagine having being able to pay for your likeness 907 00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,080 Speaker 1: back then, they said, oh boy, at Alabama, it is 908 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,840 Speaker 1: already copied like a million dollars already in the motherfucking 909 00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:04,920 Speaker 1: school season hasn't even started. Can you imagine what kind 910 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,279 Speaker 1: of money you would have been playing with as an 911 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,719 Speaker 1: eighteen nineteen year old in college? Come on, man, come 912 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:16,320 Speaker 1: on this? Well what man? I don't even want to 913 00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:21,240 Speaker 1: think about. But I'm I'm glad I did it because 914 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:26,560 Speaker 1: it's gonna be dangerous man, having ten thousand dollars to 915 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,880 Speaker 1: splurge with in college, let alone. You know what I'm saying, 916 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,719 Speaker 1: just all for the wrong reason, bra. In college, Man, 917 00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,759 Speaker 1: my thing was, Bro, I just need I need decoration. 918 00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,759 Speaker 1: We all know what decoration is. I need a gaming system, 919 00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,479 Speaker 1: a big gass TV, and snacks in my refrigerator. Fool, 920 00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,399 Speaker 1: That's all I needed in college, you know what I'm saying. 921 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,640 Speaker 1: And I stayed out of trouble, you feel me. I 922 00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:59,080 Speaker 1: invite some decoration, over vite teammates over man, move and 923 00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,399 Speaker 1: maneuver like that, bro, And that was that was all 924 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,480 Speaker 1: I needed. And I work out and train, you feel me. 925 00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:06,480 Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to be on the scene like that 926 00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,680 Speaker 1: still to this. They ain't trying to be on the scene. Now, 927 00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,600 Speaker 1: I've never been that. You ain't never been that guy. Yeah, 928 00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,560 Speaker 1: that's what I say. That's still that's still the vibe. 929 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,360 Speaker 1: That was my vibe in the league, You know what 930 00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,839 Speaker 1: I mean? Man, beat in the l A. You see 931 00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:20,600 Speaker 1: a lot once you kind of get to understand, Like, 932 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,279 Speaker 1: all I need is everything you're explaining. Four friends, Give 933 00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,480 Speaker 1: me some weed, give me some women, give me the homies, 934 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:30,520 Speaker 1: some music, all that, man, I tell I tell them folks, Bro, 935 00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,520 Speaker 1: I don't play no away games. Bro, I play all 936 00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:38,040 Speaker 1: home games. Everything coming to me. I could control it. 937 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,399 Speaker 1: I could control the how I need to control. Man, 938 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,120 Speaker 1: you were taking phones, we're taking all that. And if 939 00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,600 Speaker 1: I trust you, whoever you come by, that's who responsible 940 00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:50,680 Speaker 1: for you. Hey, bro, Like that's your partner. Do you 941 00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:52,520 Speaker 1: get them before I get them? Or I have somebody 942 00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:53,960 Speaker 1: to get him. You did what I'm saying, and that's 943 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,319 Speaker 1: just the respect. So you know, you know, having that 944 00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,960 Speaker 1: type of mentality and keep you out of trouble more 945 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,000 Speaker 1: was so, Man, you gotta go over here. Somebody that 946 00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,480 Speaker 1: stepped on your shoe. Now you gotta feel obligated to, 947 00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,719 Speaker 1: you know, go about respect only like, none of that 948 00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:13,279 Speaker 1: broke wrong, energy wrong, and we ain't doing that, man, 949 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,360 Speaker 1: we ain't doing that. So all the hard work in 950 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:20,239 Speaker 1: the grind, opportunity met preparation. Two thousand and eleven, you're 951 00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,160 Speaker 1: the number one pick for the Carolina Panthers. What's your 952 00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:30,000 Speaker 1: mindset at that point? Winning? And I came off a high, bro, 953 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,920 Speaker 1: I came off outside for two years. You gotta think, 954 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,080 Speaker 1: only lost one game, and I was that the Borrow 955 00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:40,120 Speaker 1: Junior College. So I was I was winning everything I couldn't. 956 00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:44,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just like, no, look shots, everything, everything 957 00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,080 Speaker 1: going in, you know, and then I go I get 958 00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,560 Speaker 1: drafted by the Carolina Panthers. There was two and fourteen 959 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,839 Speaker 1: prior to me, you know, meet me coming, and I 960 00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,920 Speaker 1: was I didn't know how to cope with losing. I'm like, damn, 961 00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,360 Speaker 1: Like my first game, you know, I threw for a 962 00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,920 Speaker 1: four two and that's a record, and I'm man, but 963 00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,960 Speaker 1: we lost though, you know what I mean, I'm like, man, 964 00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,200 Speaker 1: funk this that I came to win? Bro, I can't win. 965 00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,879 Speaker 1: So you know, I ain't never really played this game 966 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,880 Speaker 1: for statistics or or personal game, but it was it 967 00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,520 Speaker 1: was just all about the grind and the journey about 968 00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:20,760 Speaker 1: how can we you know, synchronize eleven men to do 969 00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,520 Speaker 1: the common goal, and that's to go out and play 970 00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,840 Speaker 1: for each other? And you already know I ain't. I 971 00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,000 Speaker 1: only had a number of guys that really had like that, 972 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,600 Speaker 1: that that hood kind of dog vibe, like, bro, man, 973 00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,000 Speaker 1: fuck these motherfucker's we're about to go with that. I 974 00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,239 Speaker 1: don't given who you know, you know that mentality you did, 975 00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,799 Speaker 1: but they got it, you know what I'm saying. So 976 00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,880 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, you already know if you go 977 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,080 Speaker 1: out on Friday, you're gonna be there on Saturday on time. 978 00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:48,680 Speaker 1: You know you ain't gonna be one of these high 979 00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,200 Speaker 1: risk guys like, oh my god, man, what's stack at Man? 980 00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,520 Speaker 1: What what mad at Man? What? What can I ain't 981 00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,480 Speaker 1: never been one of those dudes. I'm always have a 982 00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,919 Speaker 1: good time, but if the ship got bigger than the rabbit, 983 00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,560 Speaker 1: then I gotta kill all that. You know. I always 984 00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:02,959 Speaker 1: had people that hold me accountable, even in the locker 985 00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,360 Speaker 1: room that was just like, bro, come on, uh, you 986 00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,680 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. When Coach asked certain questions, Bro, 987 00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,000 Speaker 1: you better be sharp and being especially the position that 988 00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,359 Speaker 1: I played, you know, I gotta move a little bit 989 00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:17,040 Speaker 1: more different because my competition, you know, it ain't necessarily 990 00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,719 Speaker 1: you know, the Julio's and the Old Deal's. My competition 991 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,720 Speaker 1: is the Bradies, the Aaron Rodgers, you know what I'm saying, 992 00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,520 Speaker 1: the cerebral guys that you know, where I feel comfortable 993 00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,680 Speaker 1: in the setting is of being that they not they 994 00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,480 Speaker 1: are cringing, you know what I mean, They'd be like, no, no, 995 00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,880 Speaker 1: you know, they clinched their wallets of their persons, you 996 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,879 Speaker 1: feel me. But for me, it's just like, no, these 997 00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,600 Speaker 1: my people. You know. So even even that still to 998 00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,160 Speaker 1: this day, but that still keeps me, you know, kind 999 00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:46,719 Speaker 1: of dialed into being professional and knowing that you know 1000 00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,759 Speaker 1: what I am or what I represent, because you know, 1001 00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,400 Speaker 1: if you're not performing on Sundays, should you could be 1002 00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:58,759 Speaker 1: the realist motherfucker out there, but you're gonna be unemployed. Facts. 1003 00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:02,200 Speaker 1: What was your welcome to the n Fell moment? Mm 1004 00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:06,960 Speaker 1: hmm on the field? Off the field where it comes 1005 00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:14,920 Speaker 1: to mind? Uh, the Rickie the Ricky party happened in 1006 00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:19,920 Speaker 1: the latter part of the season. But but the access, 1007 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:25,719 Speaker 1: the access, it was like, you know, having all these 1008 00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:29,799 Speaker 1: celebrity crushes and then all of a sudden and you 1009 00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,920 Speaker 1: want party away from brushing shoulder? Was it these brothers? 1010 00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,239 Speaker 1: And I'm black man, I'm a dude from the South, Bro, 1011 00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,719 Speaker 1: I'm you know what I mean. I don't know how 1012 00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,200 Speaker 1: to act. Bro, you feel me like you put me 1013 00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,600 Speaker 1: in the room with the with these Oh I got 1014 00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:46,640 Speaker 1: to holl I got to say something. Ain't never been 1015 00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,799 Speaker 1: a dude about my tongue, and you know what I mean? 1016 00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,680 Speaker 1: And I already knew how to move and maneuvers something. 1017 00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,480 Speaker 1: I'm knocking down this third. Ain't nobody even knowing it, 1018 00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,319 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I'm like, they still don't 1019 00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:03,960 Speaker 1: know and I don't know. Yeah, I'm like, man, I'm 1020 00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:09,359 Speaker 1: a roach in these streets. Bro. I'm all but but 1021 00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,120 Speaker 1: you know they start whispering, They start whispering. Is that 1022 00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,000 Speaker 1: is that camp over there? It can't be. What are 1023 00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,719 Speaker 1: you doing in here? That's that's all we knowing how 1024 00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:22,520 Speaker 1: to move though? Straight up? Yeah? Yeah, And then I'll 1025 00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,160 Speaker 1: be around so many dudes. Man, obviously you guys know 1026 00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,279 Speaker 1: it's some corny as dudes out here, bro, And they 1027 00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,680 Speaker 1: make it so easy. They make it so easy for 1028 00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:33,600 Speaker 1: because it's like, bro, dudes don't even know how to 1029 00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,080 Speaker 1: get they don't even got game no more. You know, 1030 00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:38,200 Speaker 1: they don't know how to talk to women. You know, 1031 00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,560 Speaker 1: it's crazy, but you said that because it makes it 1032 00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,759 Speaker 1: so easy for so that really knows what he's doing 1033 00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,480 Speaker 1: to do what he does so easy. And it's it's 1034 00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,719 Speaker 1: almost like it's like you know when you when you 1035 00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:52,759 Speaker 1: step into a situation, and then they step into a situation. 1036 00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:54,880 Speaker 1: It's just like, but you take all the money away. 1037 00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,080 Speaker 1: You can take the rolex, you could take the rings, 1038 00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:58,960 Speaker 1: you can take the hat. You can still you can 1039 00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,280 Speaker 1: put us all in the room with some blue jeans, 1040 00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,360 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna still stick out, you know, because my 1041 00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,960 Speaker 1: intellect and you know a lot of people are always 1042 00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:12,080 Speaker 1: you know, looking at the outer source of it. It's like, man, 1043 00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,640 Speaker 1: Cam got long hair, you know what I'm saying, kind 1044 00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:16,719 Speaker 1: of rowdy, a little bit out of that out, But 1045 00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,600 Speaker 1: in retrospect, man, I'm a glass of you know, you 1046 00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:22,800 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, A stogie away from really setting 1047 00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,839 Speaker 1: a vibe that can't be matched, you know what I'm saying, Like, 1048 00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:31,040 Speaker 1: supply everything else and you get the mind and the 1049 00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:35,239 Speaker 1: body will follow you. Already. Well, I used to tell 1050 00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,120 Speaker 1: them all the time, and it ain't what you got 1051 00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:40,000 Speaker 1: on is who got it on? If you think what 1052 00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:47,399 Speaker 1: I'm saying it ain't. Yeah, that's not like some Dion 1053 00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,440 Speaker 1: saying this ship because I used to rock still to 1054 00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:51,840 Speaker 1: this day, work is just straight white tease. Do whatever? 1055 00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,760 Speaker 1: Already know? Hey, So what was the transition you spoke 1056 00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,120 Speaker 1: to it a little bit, but your transition from having 1057 00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:02,000 Speaker 1: a lifetime of winning coming to a team that obviously 1058 00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,160 Speaker 1: they picked you number one because they weren't a good team. 1059 00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,800 Speaker 1: So how was that trying to as a young player, 1060 00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:13,240 Speaker 1: Heisman winner, top pick? Did you follow us veterans leads? 1061 00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,560 Speaker 1: Was a year lead? How did you slowly but surely 1062 00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,520 Speaker 1: start changing the locker room and then start changing the 1063 00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,080 Speaker 1: mindset of making this Okay, we're about to be a 1064 00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:25,879 Speaker 1: winning team. Yeah, but it's a process. It's a process, 1065 00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:27,919 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So you you just gotta 1066 00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,040 Speaker 1: believe in it. You gotta believe in the in the 1067 00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,200 Speaker 1: in the front office people that they're gonna put the 1068 00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:37,239 Speaker 1: right talent around you so that you can thrive. And 1069 00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,239 Speaker 1: just because it's talent, that doesn't mean that's that's the 1070 00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,520 Speaker 1: right pick. And you you guys know, man, I think 1071 00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:50,360 Speaker 1: the most overlooked thing in sports, is is can certain 1072 00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:54,919 Speaker 1: people mesh with each other puzzle pieces? Because it's like 1073 00:53:55,080 --> 00:54:01,560 Speaker 1: you can have Lebron, Kobe m J and whoever on 1074 00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,680 Speaker 1: the same team and on paper they're supposed to win, 1075 00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,680 Speaker 1: but in the locker room they're beefing. You know what 1076 00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:11,399 Speaker 1: I'm saying, it the chemistry is off, the harmonies off, 1077 00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,000 Speaker 1: So you know, it's it's it's guys in a in 1078 00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,360 Speaker 1: the front office that gotta believe in your talents and 1079 00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,239 Speaker 1: believe or have the visual to put you in a 1080 00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,960 Speaker 1: situation that you're gonna thrive the most man. And it 1081 00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:24,680 Speaker 1: was just all a matter of time. You know. I 1082 00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,800 Speaker 1: was lucky enough to to come on a team that 1083 00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:30,200 Speaker 1: had the John Beason's, the Thomas davis Is, the Jordan 1084 00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,719 Speaker 1: gross Is, the Steve Smith's and guys like that, and 1085 00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,680 Speaker 1: it was a lot of dysfunctional things that was going on, 1086 00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,520 Speaker 1: and to like, you know, they didn't know how to win. Hell, 1087 00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:40,960 Speaker 1: I didn't even know how to win, you know what 1088 00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,280 Speaker 1: I'm saying. Going into the NFL, because that's a different 1089 00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,000 Speaker 1: type of game, you just can't you just can't put 1090 00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,560 Speaker 1: your head down and just we're gonna, we're gonna, We're 1091 00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,200 Speaker 1: gonna bullyball you to death, because the game is still 1092 00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:54,600 Speaker 1: all about adjustments, you know, So it's just learning how 1093 00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:58,800 Speaker 1: to maneuver uh different type of of of of different things, 1094 00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,840 Speaker 1: and and and that's it's just trying to win football games. 1095 00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,759 Speaker 1: So your third season twelve and four, you take your 1096 00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,520 Speaker 1: team to your first NFL playoffs. Experience talked us a 1097 00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,799 Speaker 1: little bit about that season and then what it was 1098 00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,960 Speaker 1: like actually being in your first NFL playoffs. That wasn't 1099 00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:17,920 Speaker 1: that probably wasn't professionally, that wasn't my most talented team, 1100 00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:19,920 Speaker 1: but that was the best team that I was on 1101 00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:23,440 Speaker 1: to that day. We had veterans, we had young guys 1102 00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,799 Speaker 1: that got it. We had the middle of the role 1103 00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,480 Speaker 1: guys that was playing out of the wazoo because they 1104 00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:32,040 Speaker 1: understood their role. And it's just like everything else in life. 1105 00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,360 Speaker 1: It's like when you got a business, you know, you 1106 00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:39,200 Speaker 1: need guys that are great people to to to to 1107 00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:41,719 Speaker 1: run a business, you know, in order for you to 1108 00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:43,879 Speaker 1: thrive as a person. I touched on it earlier with 1109 00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:45,920 Speaker 1: with with Jack and his crew, like you need great 1110 00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,760 Speaker 1: people to make you look good you feel, I'm saying, 1111 00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,359 Speaker 1: And even in the even in the UH, in the UH, 1112 00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:56,279 Speaker 1: in the team setting. You need great people to make 1113 00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,640 Speaker 1: your your challenge thrive the most. You know, for me 1114 00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:00,919 Speaker 1: to be as as talented as I am, I would 1115 00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:02,880 Speaker 1: have been nothing if I didn't have the Steve Smith's 1116 00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,120 Speaker 1: to the Kelvin Benjamin's or the Devin Funches or the 1117 00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:07,319 Speaker 1: you know, the Philly Browns to be able to go 1118 00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,040 Speaker 1: out and catch it and Ted who just recently retired. Man, 1119 00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:14,520 Speaker 1: that's my dog, folks. That that that really got it man, 1120 00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,320 Speaker 1: And to make you look good, you could throw a spiral, 1121 00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,360 Speaker 1: a perfect you know, dime and it's drop. Or you 1122 00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,480 Speaker 1: could throw a shipped up in its coat. You know 1123 00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:24,520 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. A touchdown, it's still a touchdown, you 1124 00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:26,600 Speaker 1: feel me. So it's a it's a lot of hands 1125 00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,680 Speaker 1: on deck. Man. That that really comes into a place. 1126 00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,480 Speaker 1: You know when when you're talking about putting a winning 1127 00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,680 Speaker 1: product out there. I remember this because obviously I'm a 1128 00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,480 Speaker 1: Niner fan. You guys go into that season with your 1129 00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,799 Speaker 1: first playoff experience, like you guys, you know, fall to 1130 00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:44,040 Speaker 1: the Niners, but you're starting to see that work in 1131 00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,560 Speaker 1: that progress starting to pay off. You're there. You gotta 1132 00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,600 Speaker 1: taste of it, although you lost it prepared you for 1133 00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:54,319 Speaker 1: what was coming after. Yeah. Man, that was a great team. 1134 00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,319 Speaker 1: You know, I think uh I was ted on that Ted. 1135 00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:01,360 Speaker 1: You had Ted, you had crab Tree, you had the 1136 00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:07,480 Speaker 1: v Navarl Bowman, Patrick Willis, Oh my goodness. And that 1137 00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:13,040 Speaker 1: defense was was was vicious. You know, Uh shucks. They 1138 00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:18,960 Speaker 1: had uh the Smith brothers at ud tackle. You had 1139 00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:23,360 Speaker 1: the other the other Smith Um the he got drafted 1140 00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,200 Speaker 1: my year. That's coming off the edge you had. Man, 1141 00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:29,080 Speaker 1: they had a powerhouse. But you know, you just live 1142 00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,280 Speaker 1: and you learn. Man. You know, you gotta go about 1143 00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,440 Speaker 1: it making adjustments, doing the proper things. And then with 1144 00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:38,520 Speaker 1: me going through with witnessing and like a playoff vibe, 1145 00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,040 Speaker 1: you know, you realize like, oh, this ship a different 1146 00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:45,840 Speaker 1: Every snap is meaningful. There ain't no bad possessions because 1147 00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:49,360 Speaker 1: that's what makes football, you know, playoff football, playoff football. 1148 00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:53,120 Speaker 1: And you know, na, my faults, my bad. You can 1149 00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:57,600 Speaker 1: keep that ship. You can keep it. So two thousand fifteen, uh, 1150 00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:02,080 Speaker 1: your magical m VP season fifteen and one thirty five touchdowns, 1151 00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:06,480 Speaker 1: ten picks, uh, three hundred three thousand, eight hundred thirty 1152 00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:10,360 Speaker 1: seven yards. Did you feel like that's when you finally 1153 00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:14,040 Speaker 1: started to click as a person mentally and as a 1154 00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:17,040 Speaker 1: player on the field. Yeah, I did. I did for 1155 00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,640 Speaker 1: multiple reasons more than one. Because if you go back 1156 00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:26,720 Speaker 1: to that season in training camp, um, we lost our 1157 00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:30,200 Speaker 1: number one receiver. That was Benji. He had towards a 1158 00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,480 Speaker 1: c L. We had a joint practice with Miami and 1159 00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:35,040 Speaker 1: he towards a c L. And not just a fun 1160 00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:38,280 Speaker 1: man like you know, this was this was the guy 1161 00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:39,880 Speaker 1: that I took up onto my wing. You know what 1162 00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:44,440 Speaker 1: I'm saying. Uh, first round pick, size six five, you know, 1163 00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:47,320 Speaker 1: a big monsters you know, dude. And we were related 1164 00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,360 Speaker 1: on so many different things. So when he when he 1165 00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,360 Speaker 1: went down, it was almost like damn, like they go 1166 00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,360 Speaker 1: to season. But I remember that next day Ricky Prole 1167 00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:59,480 Speaker 1: was the was a receiver coach. We had Jericho contre 1168 00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:03,120 Speaker 1: As received for Philly Brown. We had Joe Webb that 1169 00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:06,200 Speaker 1: was a twinter. We had Uh. Ted was that I 1170 00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,120 Speaker 1: mentioned Ted Uh? And they all we just all had 1171 00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:11,560 Speaker 1: a meeting and it was like, man, all right, we 1172 00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:13,960 Speaker 1: already know who Benji is to you, you know what 1173 00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,920 Speaker 1: I'm saying, And we can't replace him, but what we 1174 00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,640 Speaker 1: can do, you can hold us to a standard. That's 1175 00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,440 Speaker 1: that's gonna get the job done and for them to 1176 00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:27,120 Speaker 1: kind of highlight that before the season. Everything else simultaneously 1177 00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:30,520 Speaker 1: worked out. You know, Greg had a big year for me, 1178 00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:34,080 Speaker 1: you know, being you know Mr Reliable and you know, 1179 00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,200 Speaker 1: we just we just found ways to win games. And 1180 00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:38,920 Speaker 1: we also had help on the defensive side. You know, 1181 00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:43,200 Speaker 1: in my eyes, the greatest football player defensively that I 1182 00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,600 Speaker 1: even laid eyes on. And Luke Keickley, Uh Thomas Davis 1183 00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:50,600 Speaker 1: was was the enforcer. Uh man, we had it all 1184 00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:54,800 Speaker 1: you started uh on the D line KK. Then we 1185 00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:58,280 Speaker 1: we bought in veterans uh, Courtland Finnegan, We had a 1186 00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:04,360 Speaker 1: Roman Harper, we had at uh Jared Um, Jared Allen, 1187 01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:07,360 Speaker 1: you know, so many different and Peanut Tilman. So we 1188 01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:12,240 Speaker 1: had a great mixture of talent, veteran young guys that 1189 01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:15,680 Speaker 1: know Josh Norman, you know what I'm saying, and and uh, 1190 01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:17,600 Speaker 1: you know the list goes on. Man. So that was 1191 01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:21,400 Speaker 1: a perfect, perfect kind of combination of of guys that 1192 01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:24,200 Speaker 1: got it. And as the season kept going, we kept 1193 01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:27,080 Speaker 1: getting momentum. Okay, we find out we're three and old. 1194 01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:29,520 Speaker 1: Oh man, we got something special. Now we find out 1195 01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:32,080 Speaker 1: we're six and old. Now we nine and o you know, 1196 01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:36,120 Speaker 1: now everything is is is really up. Well. I can't 1197 01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:39,920 Speaker 1: forget Charles Johnson too, you know, the real og who 1198 01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,320 Speaker 1: really was holding it down in the locker room for us, 1199 01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:44,920 Speaker 1: like and holding everybody to a standard. You know that. 1200 01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:47,760 Speaker 1: You know, if y'all boys go out, make sure y'all 1201 01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:50,680 Speaker 1: here getting treatment, you know, doing all the necessary things 1202 01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:52,960 Speaker 1: that y'all supposed to do. And you need that especially 1203 01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:57,000 Speaker 1: for teams now because you know, fan basis is right now. 1204 01:00:57,480 --> 01:00:59,680 Speaker 1: We want you to win yesterday, you know what I'm saying. 1205 01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:03,160 Speaker 1: But everything, everything is is, it's still got to be 1206 01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,000 Speaker 1: a part of the process, and you just gotta have 1207 01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:07,680 Speaker 1: guys that believe in it and and uh, you know, 1208 01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:09,720 Speaker 1: see it through. Who are some of your closest teammates 1209 01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:12,040 Speaker 1: from that time that you rocked with it on like 1210 01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:15,760 Speaker 1: on a daily basis. Oh man, you know t D 1211 01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,760 Speaker 1: TV was a dude, bro. But the thing about me 1212 01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,880 Speaker 1: and t D it was it was all the time 1213 01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:27,360 Speaker 1: our game. TV was at all our games. So yeah, yeah, 1214 01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,040 Speaker 1: and and TV man shout out to t V he 1215 01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:34,640 Speaker 1: retired to man, just being around him, he always helped 1216 01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:39,440 Speaker 1: me to a standard everywhere. And it wasn't a dull moment, 1217 01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:42,480 Speaker 1: not not even in practice. You know, we were talking ship. 1218 01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:45,200 Speaker 1: We was doing it all like brother, fuck you, fuck 1219 01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:47,640 Speaker 1: you too with ship, all right, ship, that's how we're rocking. 1220 01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:49,840 Speaker 1: And then as soon as you know, we break it down. 1221 01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:51,840 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Man, how how your wife? Man? 1222 01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:54,160 Speaker 1: How the kids talk out of that? It's just how 1223 01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:56,920 Speaker 1: it was, you know what I'm saying. And people. And 1224 01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,360 Speaker 1: then also that year that was when I had got 1225 01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:02,120 Speaker 1: to fighting with Josh. You know what I mean. But 1226 01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:06,920 Speaker 1: that's just how our team was in those lines. We 1227 01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:11,080 Speaker 1: were so competitive. We were so competitive and you need 1228 01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:14,520 Speaker 1: that because practices is everything. We tried to make practice 1229 01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:16,520 Speaker 1: game like. So by the time we got into the game, 1230 01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:18,720 Speaker 1: you know, it was what it was, you know what 1231 01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:20,640 Speaker 1: I'm saying. But you know, a lot of folks look 1232 01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:22,800 Speaker 1: at me and they look at the aesthetic. You know 1233 01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,040 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, back to the aesthetic in the funchway. 1234 01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:33,360 Speaker 1: They think it's sweet. Make no mistake about it, bro, Like, look, man, 1235 01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:36,880 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I'm stamped and approved, man, 1236 01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:40,760 Speaker 1: But you know, for for me, do not This is 1237 01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:45,080 Speaker 1: not a press sel Bro. This is not as you 1238 01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:47,280 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, But it's just all in the 1239 01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:50,000 Speaker 1: love of of of of winning, man, and I want 1240 01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,640 Speaker 1: to win that all calls so that run. You guys 1241 01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:56,680 Speaker 1: beat the Cardinals in the second round Seattle. On the 1242 01:02:56,800 --> 01:03:01,040 Speaker 1: NFC title game, you face another tough ass defense, uh 1243 01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:04,320 Speaker 1: in the different broncles. You guys in the Super Bowl, 1244 01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:07,040 Speaker 1: what was your first taste being in that Super Bowl? Like, 1245 01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:08,919 Speaker 1: especially coming off the season you came off or where 1246 01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:10,480 Speaker 1: you went in the m v P and you know, 1247 01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:14,440 Speaker 1: you guys, record is what it is, Man, it was 1248 01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:19,720 Speaker 1: I just remember, man, I was tired as fun, like 1249 01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:25,640 Speaker 1: just tired, like mentally drained coming off of that season. 1250 01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:29,840 Speaker 1: It was a long season. And then like just the 1251 01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:32,840 Speaker 1: startom that came with being in the Super Bowl going 1252 01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:36,480 Speaker 1: into you know, different interviews, going into another interview, going 1253 01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:38,600 Speaker 1: into so by the time you get to the game, 1254 01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:41,919 Speaker 1: it's just like, oh my god, like we do got 1255 01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:45,000 Speaker 1: to play a football game, you know, and it's not 1256 01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:47,120 Speaker 1: going the way that you that you wanted it and 1257 01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:51,160 Speaker 1: getting so scrutinous sport. It was just like, wow, okay, 1258 01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:53,280 Speaker 1: I see how I see how to maneuver you know 1259 01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:56,440 Speaker 1: what I'm saying now, Um, But looking back at it, man, 1260 01:03:56,480 --> 01:04:00,680 Speaker 1: it was just a life lesson. I appreciate you all 1261 01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:03,160 Speaker 1: the life lessons that I went through because it made 1262 01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:05,600 Speaker 1: me the man that I am right now, you know 1263 01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:10,640 Speaker 1: what I mean knowing that you know, people have jobs 1264 01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:12,880 Speaker 1: to do. You know, I used to hate the media 1265 01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:15,720 Speaker 1: still you know, in some way shape for him, still 1266 01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:18,200 Speaker 1: do because they don't tell you. They don't they don't 1267 01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:20,560 Speaker 1: show the side or the person that you really are, 1268 01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:24,960 Speaker 1: that you genuinely are. But you know, they got their favorites. 1269 01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:27,120 Speaker 1: But the thing that I respect about it is they 1270 01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:29,360 Speaker 1: got jobs to do. That's how they feed their family, 1271 01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:30,959 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And when you started looking 1272 01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,800 Speaker 1: at it like that, you know, you just know like 1273 01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:35,760 Speaker 1: you gotta be a professional, you gotta be a pro. 1274 01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:39,240 Speaker 1: So I think that was really the sign where I 1275 01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:41,040 Speaker 1: was like, man, you know, you just can't have a 1276 01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:43,680 Speaker 1: good without the bad. But more or less like being 1277 01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:46,200 Speaker 1: a man about it, like looking at lying eyeball, the 1278 01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:48,960 Speaker 1: eyeball and saying, look, dog, look this is what it is. 1279 01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:52,760 Speaker 1: I failed. I'm coming back stronger, And you know, life 1280 01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:55,000 Speaker 1: is not necessarily about wins and losses, but more or 1281 01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:58,160 Speaker 1: less how you deal with those wins and losses and 1282 01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:09,320 Speaker 1: keep moving forward. The ability to handle adversity, you know, 1283 01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:12,640 Speaker 1: obviously it's been well documented, you know, your postgame interview 1284 01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:15,000 Speaker 1: with the situation, but it's it's just interesting to hear. 1285 01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:18,080 Speaker 1: You know, you step back after you came back, you know, 1286 01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:20,680 Speaker 1: a few days later after the initial interview, and kind 1287 01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:23,400 Speaker 1: of cleaned it up. But I feel you because it's 1288 01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:26,560 Speaker 1: never really about showing who you are as a person, 1289 01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,040 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's it's it's about there 1290 01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:30,960 Speaker 1: laying in what they're trying to get out of it. 1291 01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:33,200 Speaker 1: And I think that's why, you know, Jack and I 1292 01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:35,400 Speaker 1: have been successful. Like we touched on being in the show, 1293 01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:39,040 Speaker 1: is it's never there's no you know, there's no preconceived 1294 01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:40,680 Speaker 1: notion of what we're trying to get out of you 1295 01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:42,280 Speaker 1: or any kind of clip thing like we want to 1296 01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:45,080 Speaker 1: have that conversation. And unfortunately, on on a certain level, 1297 01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:47,600 Speaker 1: that's all their job is. If there's if there's a 1298 01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:49,520 Speaker 1: little bit of blood and water, let's tear that hole 1299 01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:52,280 Speaker 1: all the way open. But I can do with it. 1300 01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:55,400 Speaker 1: I was going into it with a different mentality, bro 1301 01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:57,880 Speaker 1: I was. I was angry in those meetings, you know 1302 01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:00,200 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I feel like, you know, I have 1303 01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:02,080 Speaker 1: brought that hood, you know what I'm saying inside that 1304 01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:04,880 Speaker 1: college fox out. They were like, Bro, stop sucking trying me. Bro, 1305 01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:06,400 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, that's what you really want 1306 01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:08,000 Speaker 1: to say, but you can't really say it like that, 1307 01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:10,400 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like come on dog like. 1308 01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:13,040 Speaker 1: But when they asked questions like Cam, why did you 1309 01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:15,240 Speaker 1: fail in the Super Bowl? Just just man, keep it, 1310 01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:17,600 Speaker 1: keep it professional. Man. Listen, man, you know the better 1311 01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:20,320 Speaker 1: team one and you know we'll look out chops and 1312 01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:22,480 Speaker 1: just come back better next year, you see, you know, 1313 01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:25,040 Speaker 1: but not going through that. You know, you just on 1314 01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:28,160 Speaker 1: this high all year. You know, you're dabbing on folks, everybody, 1315 01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:30,840 Speaker 1: making them mind. This was we was. We were celebrating 1316 01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:34,959 Speaker 1: before crating, wasn't you know what I'm saying? And then 1317 01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:38,600 Speaker 1: you know, you know, me having the influence that I 1318 01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:42,360 Speaker 1: did have, Bro, it was just like I don't know, 1319 01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,760 Speaker 1: I was on the hot so you know when when 1320 01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:48,160 Speaker 1: when when somebody took the stupor out from up front 1321 01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:50,000 Speaker 1: of me, it was like, damn, now what you do? 1322 01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:52,680 Speaker 1: And you know, did I handle it the best way? 1323 01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:55,600 Speaker 1: I know how? You know, but I'm human and I'm 1324 01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:57,640 Speaker 1: able to say that now. It's just like, bro, it 1325 01:06:57,720 --> 01:06:59,440 Speaker 1: is what it is. Dog. I learned from it. I 1326 01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:02,480 Speaker 1: made my ma stakes. But you know, now having children, 1327 01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:05,760 Speaker 1: now having you know, the younger generation looked to me. 1328 01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:08,280 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying for answers, it's like you're 1329 01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:11,840 Speaker 1: able to relate to them because everything my whole transition 1330 01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:15,160 Speaker 1: to who I am, Bro, I didn't have a silver spoon, 1331 01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:18,040 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I made I'm a self 1332 01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:19,960 Speaker 1: made person with a lot of help with a lot 1333 01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:23,240 Speaker 1: of people. And when you learn that, you'll be good. 1334 01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:24,720 Speaker 1: But I knew it was toughing. Like I said, I 1335 01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:26,440 Speaker 1: was there when you first came out there, and to 1336 01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:29,880 Speaker 1: be the face of a franchise as as big as 1337 01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:32,720 Speaker 1: you was, Bro, the eyes and lows. I was dealing 1338 01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:34,080 Speaker 1: with that because, like I said, because I was there 1339 01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:36,280 Speaker 1: and I've seen it. But you know, going being and 1340 01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:38,160 Speaker 1: being at the top of then going through the ups 1341 01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:40,360 Speaker 1: and downs. Talk to talk to me about that a 1342 01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:44,400 Speaker 1: little bit, like how dealing with that man Going to Charlotte, 1343 01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:48,680 Speaker 1: which was a very conservative city. You know, it wasn't 1344 01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:51,000 Speaker 1: a big market it was. It was perfect for me 1345 01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:54,120 Speaker 1: because it was close enough to Atlanta for me to 1346 01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:56,800 Speaker 1: get back if I had any emergencies, but further enough 1347 01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:59,600 Speaker 1: for somebody to have to call to before they come, 1348 01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:02,800 Speaker 1: you know. Mean, you know you can't just do that now, 1349 01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:04,880 Speaker 1: you know, you gotta call and be like, hey, bro, 1350 01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:06,760 Speaker 1: I'm about to pull up on you that hold on, dog, 1351 01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:09,240 Speaker 1: it ain't it ain't the right time or whatever. But 1352 01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:12,000 Speaker 1: Charlotte was great to me. Charlotte was great to me. 1353 01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:14,760 Speaker 1: It was it was for me too. I grew up 1354 01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:18,800 Speaker 1: into a grown man then and seeing where it is 1355 01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:22,240 Speaker 1: now today and for me to have my my my 1356 01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:25,880 Speaker 1: footprint or my legacy, you know in the seven or 1357 01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:28,200 Speaker 1: four man, it's something that I never forget, you know 1358 01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:29,639 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, for the rest of my life. They 1359 01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:32,760 Speaker 1: open they welcome me with open arms, allowed me to 1360 01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:35,479 Speaker 1: be myself, and that's the only thing that you can 1361 01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:37,559 Speaker 1: ask for for people, you know what I'm saying. I 1362 01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:40,240 Speaker 1: know I was just this this black dude you know 1363 01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:44,160 Speaker 1: that has this big personality and you know, we don't 1364 01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:46,920 Speaker 1: know what to expect, you know, but I can honestly say, 1365 01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:48,960 Speaker 1: you know, for me, and my my pop would always 1366 01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:51,519 Speaker 1: tell me, it's like, man, you repay people by you know, 1367 01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:54,120 Speaker 1: doing right by the people who are living vicariously through you, 1368 01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:56,880 Speaker 1: and make sure that if you can't play this game 1369 01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:59,680 Speaker 1: no more. It's because you're just sorry as hell. It's 1370 01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:02,599 Speaker 1: not the because you don't slap somebody. It ain't because 1371 01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:05,200 Speaker 1: you drunk driving. It ain't because you know, you made 1372 01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:07,760 Speaker 1: a stupid mistake that you gotta you know, have an 1373 01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:10,639 Speaker 1: open apology about. You know, it's because you're just you're 1374 01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:12,240 Speaker 1: not good no more. So you know what I'm saying. 1375 01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:14,519 Speaker 1: And I just received that, and I can honestly I 1376 01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:16,479 Speaker 1: ain't never got in trouble, and I'm knocking on wood 1377 01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:18,799 Speaker 1: saying it. But you know, but that's just a testament 1378 01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:20,920 Speaker 1: to the people that I have hanging around me, you 1379 01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:23,519 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So, you know, I just know 1380 01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:26,080 Speaker 1: my time in Charlotte was just a okay dog And 1381 01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:28,600 Speaker 1: you know, it was some memories that I take to 1382 01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:31,479 Speaker 1: my grave of of of just the happiness, you know, 1383 01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:34,360 Speaker 1: being able to put smiles on so many different people faces, 1384 01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:38,160 Speaker 1: to give people hope, you know, because because the Panthers 1385 01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:40,960 Speaker 1: never really was a contender, you know what I'm saying. 1386 01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:43,679 Speaker 1: And and to to have the help of the Thomas 1387 01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:46,720 Speaker 1: davis Is, the Luke's, the Ryan Khalil's, you know, the 1388 01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:50,560 Speaker 1: trade Turners, the the Michael Ors, you know, the Greg Olsen's, 1389 01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:53,880 Speaker 1: you know, the guys Jonathan Stewart, you know those guys 1390 01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:57,479 Speaker 1: who really you know, embodied you know, team and I 1391 01:09:57,560 --> 01:09:59,840 Speaker 1: was just the recipient of of of a lot of 1392 01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:02,559 Speaker 1: a tention, some of it undue attention because we was 1393 01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:09,519 Speaker 1: just winning during this span of yours. I think the 1394 01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:12,280 Speaker 1: world saw, but you you started speaking to it. The 1395 01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:15,280 Speaker 1: referees were almost allowed an open season on you. Whether 1396 01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:17,840 Speaker 1: it's low shot shots that you knee, shots at your heads, 1397 01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:22,599 Speaker 1: you weren't getting any calls. How frustrating was that to you? 1398 01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:24,680 Speaker 1: I mean one ref even told you wasn't old enough 1399 01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:26,639 Speaker 1: to get a call, like like I didn't know age 1400 01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:31,120 Speaker 1: anything lost it. Talk to us about how frustrating that 1401 01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:34,400 Speaker 1: was and how you had to express it. But still understand. 1402 01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:36,160 Speaker 1: I can't go too deep off the end because these 1403 01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:40,120 Speaker 1: motherfucker's are still blowing whistles going against me. But you 1404 01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:42,719 Speaker 1: you have to understand too. Just like you said about 1405 01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:45,559 Speaker 1: Michael Vick. You know, when I first came into the league, 1406 01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:49,040 Speaker 1: they've they've seen a dual threat quarterback, but they didn't 1407 01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:52,640 Speaker 1: necessarily see a dual threat quarterback that that's comfortable with 1408 01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:56,080 Speaker 1: running anywhere. You know what I'm saying and and and 1409 01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:59,200 Speaker 1: being the hammer and not necessarily the nail. So now 1410 01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:02,000 Speaker 1: when I get when I give myself up too and 1411 01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:05,600 Speaker 1: almost to to be protected, that was kind of like 1412 01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:08,800 Speaker 1: everything it's like, well, it's almost felt like the shock rule. 1413 01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:11,120 Speaker 1: It's like, well the hack and shack, Like when we 1414 01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:13,960 Speaker 1: touch him, it don't impact him the same as if 1415 01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:16,080 Speaker 1: we really, you know what I'm saying, touch him the 1416 01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:18,639 Speaker 1: right way. So it took some time, you know, but 1417 01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:20,920 Speaker 1: you know, it's still it's still it's still a process. 1418 01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:23,960 Speaker 1: You know. When I first when I first started recognizing 1419 01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:26,400 Speaker 1: those things, it was just like damn, like well, if 1420 01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:28,040 Speaker 1: I was this person, I would have got that call, 1421 01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:31,160 Speaker 1: you know. And it's not necessarily about lineage or or 1422 01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:33,960 Speaker 1: or a tenure. It's just about making you know the 1423 01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:37,240 Speaker 1: right call. But you know, you live, you you learn, 1424 01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:40,439 Speaker 1: you learn from it, and you know, it just is 1425 01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:46,320 Speaker 1: what it is. Thoughts on this police brutality and the 1426 01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:50,479 Speaker 1: me that Cap took in seventeen and what that meant 1427 01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:53,520 Speaker 1: to you as a black man, as a black quarterback, 1428 01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:57,400 Speaker 1: as a black father, as a black business owner. Um 1429 01:11:57,439 --> 01:12:02,200 Speaker 1: in America. Man, It's it's tough because you know, when 1430 01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:07,680 Speaker 1: you have these conversations with your kids. They're oblivious to 1431 01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:10,880 Speaker 1: to the talks. You know what I'm saying. It's it's 1432 01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:14,680 Speaker 1: almost like it's crazy to to to think that men, 1433 01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:18,280 Speaker 1: my kids. They It's like if I pull up to 1434 01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:20,080 Speaker 1: a light and the police pulls up to the light, 1435 01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:23,960 Speaker 1: nobody says nothing in the car, you know, because they're afraid. 1436 01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:26,160 Speaker 1: You know, they hear about it. They hear about the 1437 01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:28,720 Speaker 1: George Floyd and I know the impact that you had, 1438 01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:31,040 Speaker 1: stack of my hat goes off to you. You know. 1439 01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:35,640 Speaker 1: But in all cases, this is not nothing new. You know, 1440 01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:39,439 Speaker 1: we just got the technology to expose what's happening now, 1441 01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:42,360 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, to hold people accountable for 1442 01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:45,960 Speaker 1: you know, the situations that that that that take place, 1443 01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:48,920 Speaker 1: and you know, it's very disgusting to to even think 1444 01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:51,479 Speaker 1: about it, even talk about. But it needs to it 1445 01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:54,240 Speaker 1: needs to happen because I don't think I don't think 1446 01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:59,160 Speaker 1: racism is the key to the hatred. I really think 1447 01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:03,640 Speaker 1: that it's the uh, the not being familiar with cultures 1448 01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:07,360 Speaker 1: is the reason, because lack of understanding, the lack of 1449 01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:10,879 Speaker 1: understanding you know what, you don't know. Man, It's almost 1450 01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:12,880 Speaker 1: like we just talked about it and coaching. You know, 1451 01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:14,559 Speaker 1: if you don't know how to coach this kid that's 1452 01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:17,120 Speaker 1: that's that's from Compton, this kid that's from you know, 1453 01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:21,320 Speaker 1: boring Homes. This kid that's from Atlanta, Georgia, Louisiana, Miami. 1454 01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:24,120 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Houston, Texas, you know, fourth 1455 01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:26,200 Speaker 1: or fifth War. You know what I mean. It's it's 1456 01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:29,599 Speaker 1: it's really rough and it's not gonna ever get through 1457 01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:32,360 Speaker 1: to them of how to communicate with that person. You 1458 01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:35,120 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So you know it's it's that's 1459 01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:38,960 Speaker 1: really what the issue is. It's understanding what or how 1460 01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:40,960 Speaker 1: to go about it. You know what I'm saying. Because 1461 01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:44,000 Speaker 1: if you say shut up food to some people, it's 1462 01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:46,479 Speaker 1: not gonna hit the same. But you know, you say 1463 01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:48,800 Speaker 1: shut up food to a certain people like man and ship, 1464 01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:50,960 Speaker 1: that's fighting words. But I don't give if you're the 1465 01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:52,880 Speaker 1: damn mayor, I don't care. If you were the police officer, 1466 01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:54,920 Speaker 1: I don't care. You my teacher. You know what I'm saying. 1467 01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:56,479 Speaker 1: You don't talk to me like that. And it's just 1468 01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:59,320 Speaker 1: all about respect. So and it's not a one way 1469 01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:01,920 Speaker 1: streat either. And I say that, you know from the 1470 01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:06,040 Speaker 1: white man's perspective trying to cope with the black culture. 1471 01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:08,760 Speaker 1: But it's also the responsibility of the black culture to 1472 01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:11,679 Speaker 1: understand white culture too, you know what I'm saying. So 1473 01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:14,680 Speaker 1: I'm a big opponent of of of of you know, 1474 01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:18,080 Speaker 1: becoming aware of of of what history is and also 1475 01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:22,040 Speaker 1: what your surroundings is. Because if you're not able to 1476 01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:25,120 Speaker 1: to to quote a country music lyric or or or 1477 01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:28,479 Speaker 1: uh contemporary music like bro, you gotta be sheltered. And 1478 01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:30,599 Speaker 1: I spoke on it on my on my social media, 1479 01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:33,719 Speaker 1: you know, just to be cultured, bro, on all fronts, 1480 01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:39,160 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, From Chinese Americans to Asian Americans, 1481 01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:45,439 Speaker 1: to Caucasian Americans and African Americans to Hispanic Americans, everything everything, 1482 01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:48,320 Speaker 1: So you know, don't just judge a book by you 1483 01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:51,719 Speaker 1: know what they look like. Just be intrigued enough or 1484 01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:54,679 Speaker 1: you know, curious enough to find out about them. Everything 1485 01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:57,160 Speaker 1: is just a conversation a lot of a lot of people, 1486 01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:00,960 Speaker 1: they speak to be heard their own world. They don't 1487 01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:02,880 Speaker 1: want to listen, They just want to get their point across. 1488 01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:05,160 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, And and and what I 1489 01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:08,679 Speaker 1: understood was, you know, just like you said, uh, well, 1490 01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:10,479 Speaker 1: one of my my best friend. You wouldn't know nothing 1491 01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:12,200 Speaker 1: about me if it wasn't for a Jewish kid named 1492 01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:14,519 Speaker 1: Josh Pastner who is not not a head coach at 1493 01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:17,160 Speaker 1: Georgia Tech. And everything is just a conversation, you know 1494 01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:18,599 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. A lot of times people don't want 1495 01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:20,960 Speaker 1: to just have a conversation. That's how you get understanding. 1496 01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:22,719 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. But I be able to 1497 01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:24,760 Speaker 1: listen to somebody but also be able to give you 1498 01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:26,960 Speaker 1: a point of view. And that's that's a lot of 1499 01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:28,559 Speaker 1: problems with this where and when we, like you said, 1500 01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:30,439 Speaker 1: we talked about the cops and all that, but we 1501 01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:32,439 Speaker 1: got a high chance to get killed by our own kind. 1502 01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:34,960 Speaker 1: And that's the conversation of people. That's the conversation people 1503 01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:36,479 Speaker 1: don't want to have, you know what I mean. So 1504 01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:38,599 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I'm always I'm always a realist, 1505 01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:39,760 Speaker 1: and I think I think that's why I get a 1506 01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:43,160 Speaker 1: lot of expect because I know, you know, I'm real 1507 01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:45,280 Speaker 1: with everything I say, and I know what's really going 1508 01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:47,799 Speaker 1: on out here, and uh, and I try to address 1509 01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:50,559 Speaker 1: all those things without being judgment or any race. Your 1510 01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:52,760 Speaker 1: God's gift ability to obviously you work your ass off 1511 01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:55,320 Speaker 1: to be able to run and jump and throw and 1512 01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:57,240 Speaker 1: do what you've been able to do. But it's always 1513 01:15:57,320 --> 01:16:00,200 Speaker 1: been effortless, the way you would sling the ball down 1514 01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:02,600 Speaker 1: the field, the way you would run thirty yards and 1515 01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:06,320 Speaker 1: then skate out of bounds when needed. You start getting injured. 1516 01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:10,320 Speaker 1: In seventeen, you have a shoulder surgery, then you have 1517 01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:13,320 Speaker 1: a foot surgery. What was that like for the first 1518 01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:15,080 Speaker 1: time in your career where it's night you know, I 1519 01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:17,479 Speaker 1: mean your nickname was Superman, super Cam. What was it 1520 01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:21,920 Speaker 1: like going through these injuries? Uh, mentally, but then still 1521 01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:25,960 Speaker 1: having to play physically when you're not really yourself? Man, bro, 1522 01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:28,760 Speaker 1: it's it's mean, y'all know, Brad as an athlete, you're 1523 01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:32,320 Speaker 1: never really a hundred oh man, that's it. That's a 1524 01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:35,760 Speaker 1: section in its own self. You feel me. But you know, 1525 01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:38,800 Speaker 1: for me, man, that's when doubt starts to creep in. 1526 01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:45,160 Speaker 1: And you know, for me, this year it was the 1527 01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:47,920 Speaker 1: first year I ain't never really had surgery and I'm 1528 01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:50,479 Speaker 1: and I'm blessed to say that even coming off last year, 1529 01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:53,320 Speaker 1: I had a foot procedure. You know that that that 1530 01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:57,439 Speaker 1: kind of took me aback. But you know, to be 1531 01:16:57,560 --> 01:16:59,599 Speaker 1: able to be healthy. It's like, man, I don't went 1532 01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:03,120 Speaker 1: through every type of emotion as an athlete, Oh my god, 1533 01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:08,360 Speaker 1: dog like damn, you know, being the face of a franchise, 1534 01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:10,320 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, knocking the sports world off 1535 01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:13,840 Speaker 1: of their feet, you know, and also being a batter 1536 01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:17,400 Speaker 1: batter you know, lying in the in the jungle. I'm 1537 01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:19,880 Speaker 1: going through all that and I went through going still 1538 01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:21,800 Speaker 1: going through you know what I'm saying, and stuff like that, 1539 01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:24,280 Speaker 1: and not just embrace at all, bro, because you know, 1540 01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:28,320 Speaker 1: there's no teacher like life, you know what I'm saying, 1541 01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:31,680 Speaker 1: And I'm going through it and and welcoming it with 1542 01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:35,360 Speaker 1: open arms. At some point, you gotta you gotta learn, 1543 01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:38,120 Speaker 1: you know, especially as athletes, we learned how to enjoy 1544 01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:39,840 Speaker 1: the good time just as much as we're gonna enjoy 1545 01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:42,000 Speaker 1: the bad times, you know what I mean. And and 1546 01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:43,519 Speaker 1: that and that, and that's what gets us through, and 1547 01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:46,040 Speaker 1: that's what make us so tough too, because because we've 1548 01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:48,400 Speaker 1: been through so much, experience has always been the best teacher. 1549 01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:51,680 Speaker 1: And and and you've been through a lot browing and 1550 01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:54,120 Speaker 1: to see, you know, like I said, from me being 1551 01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:56,040 Speaker 1: ever from the beginning season to seeing what you went 1552 01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:57,479 Speaker 1: through to make it to the super Bowl, to the 1553 01:17:57,479 --> 01:17:59,759 Speaker 1: engine all that, and to see how you just blossom today. 1554 01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:01,760 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, I take my hat off 1555 01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:03,040 Speaker 1: to you because, like I said, I know you know 1556 01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:04,680 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I know a lot of people that 1557 01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:07,000 Speaker 1: was going through that that didn't come out of a camp. 1558 01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:08,920 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, that they know where to 1559 01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:11,320 Speaker 1: be found. They folded Russ. So's to see you come 1560 01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:13,160 Speaker 1: out of that, I gotta salute you. But I because 1561 01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:15,519 Speaker 1: I already knew you was bill for it, and yeah, bro, man, 1562 01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:18,680 Speaker 1: it's just it's so much man that athletes kind of 1563 01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:23,200 Speaker 1: go through, and it's like an unspoken word. You're away 1564 01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:27,280 Speaker 1: from your family, you're away from your kids. You'll just 1565 01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:30,479 Speaker 1: the sacrifices that you make. I don't have the luxury 1566 01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:32,320 Speaker 1: to take my kids to day care. I don't have 1567 01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:34,720 Speaker 1: the luxury to to to eat with my children face 1568 01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:38,040 Speaker 1: to face, you know, in a timely manner where it's 1569 01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:39,639 Speaker 1: just like, all right, what we're gonna do in the morning. 1570 01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:41,840 Speaker 1: You know, next time I come back home, it's just 1571 01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:44,040 Speaker 1: gonna be probably for a couple of hours, about twenty 1572 01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:46,360 Speaker 1: four hours, and be ready to get back somewhere else, 1573 01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:49,040 Speaker 1: you know. So you know, while I have that that 1574 01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:51,400 Speaker 1: that that that chance, man, I gotta make the most 1575 01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:53,000 Speaker 1: of it. But at the same time, you just gotta 1576 01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:56,280 Speaker 1: compartmentalize your life and you know, live with it, you know. 1577 01:18:56,360 --> 01:18:59,799 Speaker 1: So you know, and y'all, y'all played eighty two games. 1578 01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:02,400 Speaker 1: When you know whether y'all go eighty two and oh 1579 01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:04,400 Speaker 1: or or an eighty two, you know what I'm saying, 1580 01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:06,720 Speaker 1: It just is what it is. So you know, for us, 1581 01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:09,799 Speaker 1: the sacrifices that you make from waking up at five am, 1582 01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:12,920 Speaker 1: going to bed at eleven PM, to get right back 1583 01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:15,920 Speaker 1: up and doing all over again, you know, making sure 1584 01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:18,400 Speaker 1: that you put the right things into your body, making 1585 01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:20,120 Speaker 1: sure that you've got the right people around you that 1586 01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:22,599 Speaker 1: keep you fresh, and making sure that you're taking care 1587 01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:24,800 Speaker 1: of your body, making sure that you're in the right 1588 01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:28,120 Speaker 1: state frame of mind, and and everything. It's so many 1589 01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:32,360 Speaker 1: underlying things that makes an athlete an athlete. That man, 1590 01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:34,160 Speaker 1: we don't even got a lot of time to even 1591 01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:36,600 Speaker 1: mention it, let alone you know, to live through it. 1592 01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:40,519 Speaker 1: So two thousand nineteen UM after coming to the league, 1593 01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:44,040 Speaker 1: the number one picking two thousand eleven, growing up, becoming 1594 01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:48,920 Speaker 1: a man, as a Panther. How tough was it um 1595 01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:51,200 Speaker 1: when they decided to release you at nineteen? What was 1596 01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:53,080 Speaker 1: your thoughts on the process and how it all ended, 1597 01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:57,000 Speaker 1: considering you gave everything you absolutely have that franchise. Yeah, 1598 01:19:57,280 --> 01:19:59,760 Speaker 1: it was tough. It's still tough. It's still tough. But 1599 01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:03,920 Speaker 1: when when you see a difference in ownership, when you 1600 01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:06,720 Speaker 1: see a difference in head coaching, when you see a 1601 01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:10,720 Speaker 1: difference in management, you know, it's it's it's only a 1602 01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:12,720 Speaker 1: matter of time. But you could be you could be 1603 01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:15,120 Speaker 1: optimistic all you want, but you know what I'm saying, 1604 01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:17,320 Speaker 1: sooner or later that that hacks gonna come on you. 1605 01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:20,559 Speaker 1: So you know, man, the city of Charlotte has been 1606 01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:23,320 Speaker 1: good to me and my loyal to will always be there, 1607 01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:25,439 Speaker 1: you know. But at the end of the day, man, 1608 01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:31,360 Speaker 1: it's still a business. And the day you get drafted, 1609 01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:35,240 Speaker 1: the next day they they're looking for your replacement, you 1610 01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:37,400 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So if you're not getting the 1611 01:20:37,479 --> 01:20:40,320 Speaker 1: job done, bro, it's gonna be what it's gonna be. 1612 01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:42,760 Speaker 1: Joining the pages, I mean, you know, going going into 1613 01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:44,720 Speaker 1: the organization, you know, you know, you know what it 1614 01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:48,519 Speaker 1: was like, Tom Brady Championship organization, dealing with one of 1615 01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:51,400 Speaker 1: the the goat, Bill Belichick. You know what was that 1616 01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:53,280 Speaker 1: like going there? Like, what were you thinking? Man? It 1617 01:20:53,439 --> 01:21:00,800 Speaker 1: was it's it's everything. Everything is that that's advertised, you know. Uh, 1618 01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:04,160 Speaker 1: you know Bill Belichick is you know, the coach that 1619 01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:05,800 Speaker 1: you would expect him to be. You know, you got 1620 01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:09,120 Speaker 1: the opportunity to play with Papovich, So you know, you 1621 01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:13,080 Speaker 1: know what why certain coaches are who they are because 1622 01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:15,639 Speaker 1: of the morals that they have and and the coaches 1623 01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:17,800 Speaker 1: that they got up unto them. You know, Josh McDaniels 1624 01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:20,280 Speaker 1: is a person man that I got in high regard. 1625 01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:23,680 Speaker 1: You know, even the players like they know how to 1626 01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:26,880 Speaker 1: move and maneuver. So when I came on board, man, 1627 01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:29,080 Speaker 1: it was just almost like I wouldn't say a culture 1628 01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:32,559 Speaker 1: shop because I always used to working. You know, being 1629 01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:36,080 Speaker 1: a black quarterback, you don't necessarily always get labeled as 1630 01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:39,320 Speaker 1: you know, a person that's gonna work extra hours, are 1631 01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:41,840 Speaker 1: doing certain things just because that's what the that's what 1632 01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:44,200 Speaker 1: the stigma is. But that doesn't mean that you're you're 1633 01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:47,679 Speaker 1: not well and capable of doing certain things. But yet 1634 01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:50,240 Speaker 1: that experience and I'm still living in it, it was 1635 01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:53,840 Speaker 1: something that you know, I embraced because it was It 1636 01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:56,479 Speaker 1: wasn't something that I was new to. You know, these 1637 01:21:56,600 --> 01:21:59,760 Speaker 1: these you know the people and and uh New England. Man, 1638 01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:04,000 Speaker 1: are they used to championships and whatever lead you can 1639 01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:09,920 Speaker 1: go to NHL, MLB, NBA, NFL. You know what I'm saying, 1640 01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:14,480 Speaker 1: Uh MLS. You know they used to win a championship. 1641 01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:18,880 Speaker 1: So everything is competition and I would not have wanted 1642 01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:20,680 Speaker 1: it any other way. Yeah, that's that's one of the 1643 01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:22,760 Speaker 1: first things I saw when you when you got to 1644 01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:24,960 Speaker 1: the wing. That's the first thing Bill better Check say, 1645 01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:27,120 Speaker 1: like what I would I love about camp? And he's 1646 01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:28,920 Speaker 1: the first one that he's the first one hand the 1647 01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:31,200 Speaker 1: last one to leave and and and that goes to 1648 01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:34,160 Speaker 1: testing what you said. They understand how hard you worked 1649 01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:36,400 Speaker 1: and how and how you land the team. But for 1650 01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:38,320 Speaker 1: Bill better Check to say that, you know, that's that's 1651 01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:42,280 Speaker 1: an ultimate compliment, compliment coming from him. Yeah, like for 1652 01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:46,320 Speaker 1: for real, bro, Like, man, I've been battle tested for 1653 01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:50,840 Speaker 1: so many different you know, ways of life and not 1654 01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:54,360 Speaker 1: only professional So man, I got O g S. Man. 1655 01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:57,040 Speaker 1: That kind of put me up on game the show. Like, Bro, man, 1656 01:22:57,040 --> 01:22:59,160 Speaker 1: you gotta do this, you gotta do that. You ain't 1657 01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:01,559 Speaker 1: you ain't You don't have the luxury to move like 1658 01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:05,320 Speaker 1: we moved because you're a quarterback. And I understood that, 1659 01:23:05,439 --> 01:23:07,639 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, So you know how how 1660 01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:10,840 Speaker 1: I moved. Still to this day, it's always cognizant of 1661 01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:14,519 Speaker 1: of of you know, what the brand is, what I'm 1662 01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:16,920 Speaker 1: supposed to like, what is that person that's on the 1663 01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:19,920 Speaker 1: other side of the room thinking, you know about what 1664 01:23:19,960 --> 01:23:23,600 Speaker 1: I'm doing, you know, because perception is reality, you know 1665 01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:26,240 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So you know for me, man, I'm 1666 01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:29,960 Speaker 1: I'm always in tune to you know what I need 1667 01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:32,240 Speaker 1: to do and what has to be done. You and 1668 01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:35,360 Speaker 1: you you're in a special fraternity of black quarterbacks. And 1669 01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:39,080 Speaker 1: it's continued to grow. Uh, Doug Williams, Warren Moon around 1670 01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:41,759 Speaker 1: the kind of hand Michael Vick, Steve mcnaill, Donovan McNab, 1671 01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:44,280 Speaker 1: Dansay called people. How does how does it feel being 1672 01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:46,120 Speaker 1: in that? Being in and uh and it talks with 1673 01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:51,840 Speaker 1: those great quarterbacks. It's still it's still like wowing. But 1674 01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:56,479 Speaker 1: now you know, I came into the league where Michael 1675 01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:59,599 Speaker 1: Vick was still there, Donovan men nabb was still there, 1676 01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:04,200 Speaker 1: and that was it. You know what I'm saying now, 1677 01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:07,519 Speaker 1: the white quarterback is the minority quarterback. Now you know 1678 01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:11,160 Speaker 1: what I mean. And that's just that's just what it is. 1679 01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:13,040 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. If you're not able to 1680 01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:16,559 Speaker 1: to to to be athletic, you know, even even even 1681 01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:19,320 Speaker 1: the guys that when you look at like Ryan tanner Hill, 1682 01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:22,080 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, He he's athletic. You know 1683 01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:27,200 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, the two tongueablore like, he's athletic. You know, Uh, 1684 01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:30,880 Speaker 1: Chucks Brady is athletic. And Rodgers been athletic. You know 1685 01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:33,439 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Those those just dropped back and throw it, 1686 01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:37,439 Speaker 1: Josh Allen. You know those guys are real, are real 1687 01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:41,839 Speaker 1: like you know, mechanics of making the play and extending 1688 01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:44,160 Speaker 1: the plays. And that's what this this game is turned into. 1689 01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:46,680 Speaker 1: As a quarterback, you can run for the yards, you 1690 01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:48,560 Speaker 1: gotta come back and know the play, know where to 1691 01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:50,800 Speaker 1: play going until you still got to be metally and 1692 01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:55,280 Speaker 1: statement slide slide of protection and know who the mic 1693 01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:58,400 Speaker 1: call is, Knowing what the defenses is trying to roll to, 1694 01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:01,720 Speaker 1: knowing what your hot is on, where your outlet is, 1695 01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:04,719 Speaker 1: you know, making sure and have it forbid somebody don't 1696 01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:07,200 Speaker 1: line up wrong. You gotta be able to you know, 1697 01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:09,160 Speaker 1: eight dog dog, you gotta come over here, you know 1698 01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:12,160 Speaker 1: in all of forty seconds. You know what I'm saying. 1699 01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:16,439 Speaker 1: So I remember claim Mathew, you have to lie claim 1700 01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:19,400 Speaker 1: Matthews called out the plate like oh even if watching film, 1701 01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:22,879 Speaker 1: well watch this, watch this. I got something for you. 1702 01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:25,680 Speaker 1: You throw the touchdown with camp like that's how you 1703 01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:27,479 Speaker 1: know they would study you Like, Okay, you studying, but 1704 01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:30,720 Speaker 1: I'm studying a little harder than you. Yeah. Yeah, man, 1705 01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:36,160 Speaker 1: that's that's like, you know, we're we as. I don't 1706 01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:38,000 Speaker 1: want to say it like that, but I just keep 1707 01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:40,800 Speaker 1: it a buck. You know, being an athletic quarterback, you 1708 01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:44,080 Speaker 1: don't always get your just do by being a cerebral player, 1709 01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:47,120 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. They just expect you to 1710 01:25:47,240 --> 01:25:49,439 Speaker 1: just go out there and be a batter and ram 1711 01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:51,479 Speaker 1: and say, you know, you can run fast or you're 1712 01:25:51,479 --> 01:25:54,200 Speaker 1: bigger than everybody. So that's been your outlet. But you 1713 01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:59,720 Speaker 1: don't get to the professional level by just being one 1714 01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:02,400 Speaker 1: to you know, you know what I'm saying. So you know, 1715 01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:07,640 Speaker 1: having having having people to to to put you in 1716 01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:09,920 Speaker 1: in the mental work that you're gonna need to get 1717 01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:14,040 Speaker 1: prepared for Sunday's performances is extremely pivotal, not pivoting into 1718 01:26:14,160 --> 01:26:19,680 Speaker 1: something a little more fun. Where did your fashion and 1719 01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:23,760 Speaker 1: your expression come from? I read something that you're not 1720 01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:27,680 Speaker 1: buying the name brands no more. You're gonna start recycling 1721 01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:30,720 Speaker 1: everything in the closet, giving it a third or four 1722 01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:33,080 Speaker 1: spin for once. But where did where did all that fashion? 1723 01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:38,880 Speaker 1: You know that the headphones? Where the where all that 1724 01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:42,040 Speaker 1: come from? Man? Look dog, look, I'm from Atlanta, Georgia. 1725 01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:44,639 Speaker 1: Bro Like, we're all that like in my in my eyes. 1726 01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:47,640 Speaker 1: If it if you know, jay Z said, if you 1727 01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:49,639 Speaker 1: can make it in New York, you can make it anywhere. 1728 01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:53,280 Speaker 1: If it pop in Atlanta, It's gonna pop anywhere, you 1729 01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:55,840 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So, you know, with me buying 1730 01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:59,080 Speaker 1: high fashion and me you know, kind of stepping back 1731 01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:02,240 Speaker 1: from that, you know, it makes you open up your 1732 01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:05,200 Speaker 1: creativity a little bit more. You know, I never was 1733 01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:07,560 Speaker 1: a mannequin dresser, you know what I mean. I was 1734 01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:09,640 Speaker 1: gonna put this with that, that with this, you know, 1735 01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:13,000 Speaker 1: add the you know bamboushka, add the you know the 1736 01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:16,480 Speaker 1: ribbon or the feather or you know, the hat, the fedora, 1737 01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:20,519 Speaker 1: and and that being a way to express myself with 1738 01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:22,640 Speaker 1: how I'm feeling in that particular point in day. And 1739 01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:25,880 Speaker 1: anybody who knows me, no, like I dress up every 1740 01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:28,479 Speaker 1: single day, every single day. It ain't it ain't the 1741 01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:30,360 Speaker 1: day that goes by if I'm stepping out of my 1742 01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:32,360 Speaker 1: house that I'm not dressed to the nons. And that's 1743 01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:34,240 Speaker 1: just the mentality that I've always said. I grew up 1744 01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:36,120 Speaker 1: in the church where you know, like I said, with 1745 01:27:36,160 --> 01:27:39,280 Speaker 1: my grandmother, my mother as well as my father. Like 1746 01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:41,840 Speaker 1: you know, even though the Bible says come as you are, 1747 01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:44,240 Speaker 1: I didn't have that luxury to just wear gym shorts 1748 01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:47,160 Speaker 1: and some some some flip flops, you know what I'm saying. 1749 01:27:47,160 --> 01:27:50,120 Speaker 1: The church, we had to iron our slacks, wear socks, 1750 01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:53,880 Speaker 1: polish our shoes. Uh, you know how to tie tied, 1751 01:27:54,040 --> 01:27:56,639 Speaker 1: know how to tipe bow tie, those different things, those 1752 01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:59,960 Speaker 1: key centrals in life. So you know, on Sundays, get 1753 01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:02,360 Speaker 1: it up. You know that y'all may see is like, 1754 01:28:02,479 --> 01:28:05,960 Speaker 1: you know, whatever, that's just my everyday life because I'm comfortable, 1755 01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:08,800 Speaker 1: you know, wearing different type of fabrics. And now as 1756 01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:13,080 Speaker 1: you kind of dive into creating brands and creating different 1757 01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:15,479 Speaker 1: things or different aesthetics that you want to put your 1758 01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:19,760 Speaker 1: name on. It's easy because you've always been having this 1759 01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:23,000 Speaker 1: artistic mind to say, all right, well you wear your 1760 01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:25,080 Speaker 1: shirt like that, let me see where it is a 1761 01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:27,920 Speaker 1: different type of weight. And this all season me trying 1762 01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:31,080 Speaker 1: to dive into, you know, really kind of you know, 1763 01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:34,080 Speaker 1: the fashion world and anybody who's willing to teach me, 1764 01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:37,360 Speaker 1: you know, how to create something, because that's what it's 1765 01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:41,280 Speaker 1: all about. You know. I'm always enchanted by like the 1766 01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:44,639 Speaker 1: Louis Vatans and the Guccis and the easy. My hat 1767 01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:48,120 Speaker 1: goes off to Kanye West, because man, he's the culture, 1768 01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:50,320 Speaker 1: He's the vibe. You know. I was looking at the 1769 01:28:50,439 --> 01:28:53,280 Speaker 1: article yesterday where we've really had a topic of discussion 1770 01:28:53,320 --> 01:28:56,559 Speaker 1: of him wearing the Nike socks with some Adidas shoes, 1771 01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:58,760 Speaker 1: and it's like, man, what man, folks been doing that 1772 01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:03,120 Speaker 1: for years? You know what we're really talking about. This 1773 01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:05,400 Speaker 1: that's something that you know, that's what you're supposed to do. 1774 01:29:05,479 --> 01:29:08,160 Speaker 1: That's the thing now. But yet you know, we don't know, 1775 01:29:08,439 --> 01:29:12,840 Speaker 1: we don't give ourselves enough credit for you know, people 1776 01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:16,760 Speaker 1: biting off our staff, you know, the whole man, the 1777 01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:20,680 Speaker 1: whole I swell, we do, I swe we do so 1778 01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:23,439 Speaker 1: for me man being able to express myself with with 1779 01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:26,760 Speaker 1: clothing and fabric is it's something that's just that's just 1780 01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:28,680 Speaker 1: my niche, you know what I mean. And I want 1781 01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:30,679 Speaker 1: to I want to be able to give a person, 1782 01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:34,400 Speaker 1: you know, a a different outlook on things where it's like, 1783 01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:37,840 Speaker 1: I'm not the urban dresser. I don't necessarily look down 1784 01:29:37,880 --> 01:29:40,320 Speaker 1: on people who you know, who wear the Virgil of blues, 1785 01:29:40,360 --> 01:29:42,559 Speaker 1: the off whites, you know what I'm saying to things 1786 01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:44,719 Speaker 1: like that, to stand in line of where the Jordans 1787 01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:46,479 Speaker 1: and things like that. But you know that's not me. 1788 01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:49,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna wear the slacks, the shirt, the details of 1789 01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:53,120 Speaker 1: everything from the lapel pin to the pocket square to 1790 01:29:53,640 --> 01:29:55,760 Speaker 1: you know, making sure my cuff links are are are 1791 01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:58,720 Speaker 1: showing just as much as it's supposed to show, and 1792 01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:01,439 Speaker 1: things like that. So me looking at life, you know 1793 01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:03,559 Speaker 1: through a third or two year old lands. You know, 1794 01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:06,200 Speaker 1: I always looked at guys that were more older than me, 1795 01:30:06,520 --> 01:30:09,120 Speaker 1: you know that lived in the eighties and the seventies, 1796 01:30:09,160 --> 01:30:12,320 Speaker 1: in the in the nineties, that really was like when 1797 01:30:12,360 --> 01:30:15,519 Speaker 1: they stepped bro they stepped the right way. Smiths, they 1798 01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:18,240 Speaker 1: smell good, you know what I'm saying that nails filed. 1799 01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:20,920 Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Like they really they're really 1800 01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:23,639 Speaker 1: pulling up with suppressions. So you know what I mean. 1801 01:30:24,200 --> 01:30:27,559 Speaker 1: My dad, My dad is in his sixties and he 1802 01:30:27,640 --> 01:30:30,080 Speaker 1: still got these nastiest little black boot with a little 1803 01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:32,519 Speaker 1: heel on the back from like dad, the ship went 1804 01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:35,360 Speaker 1: out thirty motherfucker years ago and he's still when he 1805 01:30:35,479 --> 01:30:37,519 Speaker 1: dressed up and put on some jeans, a little collar 1806 01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:41,680 Speaker 1: shirt in his little boots. Are you wearing right now? 1807 01:30:42,240 --> 01:30:43,840 Speaker 1: He used to kill him back in the day. Though, 1808 01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:46,840 Speaker 1: Boy man, we were talking, we were talking about this 1809 01:30:46,920 --> 01:30:50,479 Speaker 1: earlier and uh on my on my U segment of 1810 01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:54,920 Speaker 1: Sipping Smoke Man, we had uh Steve Harvey shout out 1811 01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:59,000 Speaker 1: to Steve there. He came in there with some Baill 1812 01:30:59,160 --> 01:31:02,920 Speaker 1: bottoms on, with some Chelsea boots. I said, I got 1813 01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:05,320 Speaker 1: to wear that, man. You know. I hit my tailor up. 1814 01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:07,640 Speaker 1: I hit my tailor up, and I'm like, bro, we 1815 01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:09,639 Speaker 1: got to bring this back, you know what I'm saying. 1816 01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:11,559 Speaker 1: But to be it ain't even it ain't even what 1817 01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:14,040 Speaker 1: you got on. It's what's in you. It's how you step, 1818 01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:16,360 Speaker 1: It's how you it's how you move and maneuver. You 1819 01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:18,439 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It's the whole aesthetic of doing 1820 01:31:18,520 --> 01:31:21,840 Speaker 1: like Bro. You know, I smoked ciguards for for for 1821 01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:24,439 Speaker 1: for for the feeling and the how it makes me feel, 1822 01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:26,840 Speaker 1: but the whole overall asteatic. You know, I kicked my 1823 01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:31,080 Speaker 1: leg up just to the understand a little better. You 1824 01:31:31,080 --> 01:31:32,880 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That's that, That's that I mean. 1825 01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:35,479 Speaker 1: I can't hear you. You know what I'm saying when 1826 01:31:35,479 --> 01:31:40,200 Speaker 1: you're saying not young, But you know that's what it is, Bro. 1827 01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:42,720 Speaker 1: You know I always had an offer that and and 1828 01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:46,400 Speaker 1: even going back to you know, my mentors, Tim Jackson, 1829 01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:51,840 Speaker 1: you know, always see people. I wouldn't always necessarily tell 1830 01:31:51,880 --> 01:31:54,960 Speaker 1: them that I'm watching them. I would just watch them 1831 01:31:55,040 --> 01:31:57,760 Speaker 1: and seeing how they maneuver, seeing how they move. Even 1832 01:31:57,800 --> 01:32:00,479 Speaker 1: going to Texas, I was like everybody around here where 1833 01:32:00,520 --> 01:32:03,200 Speaker 1: cowboy boots. You know what I'm saying. And I don't 1834 01:32:03,240 --> 01:32:09,360 Speaker 1: start starts everything the third too, you know what I'm saying. 1835 01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:12,240 Speaker 1: With the cowboy had you feel me that whole vibe 1836 01:32:12,280 --> 01:32:13,960 Speaker 1: and not you know, I took a liken in all 1837 01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:16,439 Speaker 1: that stuff too. But you know, if it ain't, if 1838 01:32:16,479 --> 01:32:19,000 Speaker 1: it ain't the Louis, if it ain't you know what 1839 01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:21,880 Speaker 1: I'm saying, the red bottoms. People think, man, you ain't 1840 01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:23,800 Speaker 1: spend a good check up on them, and I'll start 1841 01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:26,120 Speaker 1: looking at the prices of them them custom boots. Man, 1842 01:32:26,120 --> 01:32:30,639 Speaker 1: Oh my god, Man, come on, brotherm things it's up there, bro. 1843 01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:34,360 Speaker 1: So you know, I'm I'm big on expressing myself in 1844 01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:36,920 Speaker 1: many ways and just opening my mouth. Man. I just 1845 01:32:36,960 --> 01:32:39,960 Speaker 1: want a person to feel my my presence and and 1846 01:32:39,960 --> 01:32:43,000 Speaker 1: and have a vibrant or about myself. Whether the idea 1847 01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:45,439 Speaker 1: of sipping smoke come from, since we're talking about it, 1848 01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:49,320 Speaker 1: where did that come from? You know, I I spoke 1849 01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:51,840 Speaker 1: on it, you know, offline. But you know for me 1850 01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:54,639 Speaker 1: as football players, but we don't, we don't. We don't 1851 01:32:54,680 --> 01:32:58,160 Speaker 1: get the opportunities as most most sports figures would get 1852 01:32:58,680 --> 01:33:02,880 Speaker 1: because we're playing a mad um profession. You know, if 1853 01:33:02,920 --> 01:33:08,000 Speaker 1: you don't know who o'dale is, or Tom Brady or 1854 01:33:08,120 --> 01:33:11,519 Speaker 1: Cam Newton or a DK Metcalf for Russell Wilson is, 1855 01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:14,200 Speaker 1: you know, you know, the natural person be like damn, 1856 01:33:14,240 --> 01:33:16,920 Speaker 1: like that's a big gass dude. He gotta play you know, 1857 01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:20,120 Speaker 1: basketball or football or something like that. You know, y'all 1858 01:33:20,160 --> 01:33:23,799 Speaker 1: play in the sport where you know that's Matt Barnes, right, there. Oh, 1859 01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:25,840 Speaker 1: that's Jack right there. That's this that I've seen him 1860 01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:28,639 Speaker 1: on the court. Now we gotta take our helmet off 1861 01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:31,639 Speaker 1: to show ourselves and now you know we we may 1862 01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:34,280 Speaker 1: heaven forbid if we wear advise or whatever. People really 1863 01:33:34,280 --> 01:33:36,800 Speaker 1: wouldn't even know, you know what I'm saying, outside of 1864 01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:40,160 Speaker 1: the stature that you have. So there's so many different 1865 01:33:40,160 --> 01:33:44,200 Speaker 1: things that that I'm into. And I went to school. 1866 01:33:44,240 --> 01:33:47,280 Speaker 1: I studied sociology, got my sociology degree and that kind 1867 01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:50,719 Speaker 1: of really pushed me towards finding out or being eager 1868 01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:53,439 Speaker 1: to know about people that to talk, so as far 1869 01:33:53,479 --> 01:33:56,160 Speaker 1: as spitting game and you know, putting people up on 1870 01:33:56,320 --> 01:33:58,720 Speaker 1: game and just talking to chat. And that's the thing 1871 01:33:58,840 --> 01:34:01,720 Speaker 1: that that comes to me now actually, and I just 1872 01:34:01,840 --> 01:34:04,160 Speaker 1: love to to to really sit down and chop it 1873 01:34:04,240 --> 01:34:07,160 Speaker 1: up with a person and to have the opportunity to 1874 01:34:07,200 --> 01:34:10,439 Speaker 1: get paid to do it, man, Like that's where it 1875 01:34:10,479 --> 01:34:13,320 Speaker 1: came from. So you know, I really love, you know, 1876 01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:16,680 Speaker 1: smoking cigars. I really love drinking wine. And those are 1877 01:34:16,680 --> 01:34:19,320 Speaker 1: the purest conversations, you know what I'm saying. When you 1878 01:34:19,400 --> 01:34:21,200 Speaker 1: really you know, when a person is not checking the 1879 01:34:21,240 --> 01:34:23,479 Speaker 1: clock to to to get somewhere, man, when the person 1880 01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:26,559 Speaker 1: has time to really dive into. Man, you hit certain 1881 01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:29,200 Speaker 1: topics that you didn't even know you know, was even 1882 01:34:29,200 --> 01:34:32,880 Speaker 1: a topic, current events, sports, you know. It's almost like 1883 01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:35,800 Speaker 1: having that uh, that barbershop talk, you know what I'm 1884 01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:38,920 Speaker 1: saying in the essence of you know what I'm saying, Uh, 1885 01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:41,240 Speaker 1: just a chair and to sit down. We got the 1886 01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:44,559 Speaker 1: home stretch before we get to these quick hitters. I 1887 01:34:44,680 --> 01:34:47,760 Speaker 1: always wanted to know how long does the fucking take 1888 01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:50,720 Speaker 1: you to write your captions on your Instagram page? You 1889 01:34:50,840 --> 01:34:54,920 Speaker 1: we have, Man, it's in the squiggles and h oh 1890 01:34:55,080 --> 01:34:57,680 Speaker 1: is it okay? I didn't know because I looked. Bro. 1891 01:34:57,760 --> 01:34:59,519 Speaker 1: I looked one day, I'm like, yeah, what how the 1892 01:34:59,560 --> 01:35:04,360 Speaker 1: fund you do this? Ship? It's an app, man, It's 1893 01:35:04,360 --> 01:35:07,240 Speaker 1: an app. It's called I Post My Way and you 1894 01:35:07,240 --> 01:35:11,000 Speaker 1: can download it on the Apple or Android and it 1895 01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:13,880 Speaker 1: allows you to create your own keyboard. So I've been 1896 01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:16,280 Speaker 1: getting that for years. But it's almost like, Bro, I'm 1897 01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:19,000 Speaker 1: not changing the way I text. We don't all write 1898 01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:22,240 Speaker 1: the same, so what we gotta text the same? Every 1899 01:35:22,280 --> 01:35:24,080 Speaker 1: time I see your post, I'll look at the post 1900 01:35:24,160 --> 01:35:25,599 Speaker 1: or whatever you got, but I want to read your 1901 01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:28,120 Speaker 1: caption to see if I can figure that ship right 1902 01:35:29,200 --> 01:35:32,240 Speaker 1: taking right this ship. You know. The thing is it 1903 01:35:32,360 --> 01:35:37,280 Speaker 1: started because I was I was typing or texting the person. 1904 01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:39,880 Speaker 1: And then when I didn't even know the keyboard could 1905 01:35:39,920 --> 01:35:42,680 Speaker 1: do these different things, and I started texting like that. 1906 01:35:42,760 --> 01:35:46,599 Speaker 1: It really makes people focus on what you're saying. It's like, hold, 1907 01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:50,400 Speaker 1: like what are you saying? Where are you? Then the 1908 01:35:50,439 --> 01:35:51,880 Speaker 1: thought you know that you really got to do it. 1909 01:35:51,920 --> 01:35:54,240 Speaker 1: You know you can't be driving while you're doing it. 1910 01:35:55,640 --> 01:35:58,400 Speaker 1: You gotta really focus. But yeah, it's a but it's 1911 01:35:58,400 --> 01:36:02,400 Speaker 1: an app and uh always I always wanted that. All right, man, 1912 01:36:02,439 --> 01:36:04,360 Speaker 1: we're on the quick hitters. Here's the first thing to 1913 01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:06,599 Speaker 1: kind of mind. Let us know one moment you can 1914 01:36:06,640 --> 01:36:11,559 Speaker 1: relive on the football field. Super Bowl Five favorite artists 1915 01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:25,280 Speaker 1: Jay z Uh, Beyonce, UM, John Mayor, UM, Whitney Houston, UM. 1916 01:36:25,320 --> 01:36:30,559 Speaker 1: And I'll say, uh, William Murphy. Uh, he's a he's 1917 01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:32,599 Speaker 1: a gospel singer. I could do. I could have said, 1918 01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:37,120 Speaker 1: Kirk Franklin, Donna McClerkin, Jaqualin Carr all of him. Man, 1919 01:36:37,160 --> 01:36:41,519 Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm very in depth with with my musical genre. Man, 1920 01:36:41,600 --> 01:36:43,840 Speaker 1: I can I can go all day. There's some versatility 1921 01:36:43,880 --> 01:36:45,920 Speaker 1: in there. I'm gonna ask you two questions back to 1922 01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:49,200 Speaker 1: back real quick. Actually, Jack, you asked this one go ahead, 1923 01:36:49,400 --> 01:36:52,240 Speaker 1: one message on the billboard for the world to see. 1924 01:36:52,400 --> 01:36:54,920 Speaker 1: What would it be protect your piece at all costs 1925 01:36:55,240 --> 01:36:58,360 Speaker 1: and simple to protect your piece at all cars that's dope. 1926 01:36:58,640 --> 01:37:02,320 Speaker 1: And I say is the one. The one a to 1927 01:37:02,439 --> 01:37:06,280 Speaker 1: that is if it costs you your sanity, it's too expensive. 1928 01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:08,519 Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna ask you two questions in a 1929 01:37:08,640 --> 01:37:12,280 Speaker 1: rowal quick. Uh. Dream guests for sipping smoke. Mike Tyson, 1930 01:37:12,720 --> 01:37:15,679 Speaker 1: Oh god, oh yeah, Mike's on our list. Two five 1931 01:37:15,720 --> 01:37:24,040 Speaker 1: dinner guests dead or alive, Wilke Chamberlain, Magic Johnson, Um, 1932 01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:31,800 Speaker 1: Derek Jeter, mhm um. I gotta throw Michael Jordan in there. 1933 01:37:31,920 --> 01:37:35,040 Speaker 1: Tiger Woods. Great, that's a dope. That's a dope. Five 1934 01:37:35,160 --> 01:37:37,559 Speaker 1: right there. Yeah, that's a greatness. That's a whole bunch 1935 01:37:37,560 --> 01:37:40,280 Speaker 1: of money. Man. We gotta say, we gotta have a 1936 01:37:40,280 --> 01:37:43,759 Speaker 1: lot of beano for that and a lot of us 1937 01:37:44,160 --> 01:37:48,000 Speaker 1: on that table. I know they got some stories that 1938 01:37:48,040 --> 01:37:50,120 Speaker 1: they just be like bro one time, Bro, I had 1939 01:37:50,720 --> 01:37:53,559 Speaker 1: what you know what, like no folks man, they was living, 1940 01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:55,719 Speaker 1: they was doing it the right way. And the fact 1941 01:37:55,760 --> 01:38:02,679 Speaker 1: that Derek Jeter. Derek is for living in the market 1942 01:38:02,680 --> 01:38:06,439 Speaker 1: that he was living in and never being caught. And 1943 01:38:06,520 --> 01:38:10,040 Speaker 1: he was a stone cold player on and off that time, 1944 01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:14,639 Speaker 1: a killer sniper with it too. I mean, he already 1945 01:38:14,720 --> 01:38:17,080 Speaker 1: knew what it was. And this was pre this was 1946 01:38:17,160 --> 01:38:20,200 Speaker 1: pre social media. This was a man. This dude knew 1947 01:38:20,240 --> 01:38:24,400 Speaker 1: how to move and moving with the best in both leagues. 1948 01:38:24,760 --> 01:38:27,040 Speaker 1: And a lot of those guys hang out in real life. 1949 01:38:27,640 --> 01:38:31,800 Speaker 1: M hm, Tiger. There they hang out in real life. 1950 01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:35,439 Speaker 1: And it's not by coincidence though, not at all, not 1951 01:38:35,560 --> 01:38:38,960 Speaker 1: at all. All Right, We're gonna finish up with this, bro. 1952 01:38:39,880 --> 01:38:41,559 Speaker 1: Who do you want to see on All the Smoke? 1953 01:38:42,400 --> 01:38:44,639 Speaker 1: And before you answer, you have to help us get 1954 01:38:44,720 --> 01:38:47,240 Speaker 1: your answer on our show. If you know the person, 1955 01:38:47,240 --> 01:38:50,559 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure he do what we're talking to we're 1956 01:38:50,560 --> 01:38:53,519 Speaker 1: talking to I think, and I'm and this is coming 1957 01:38:53,600 --> 01:38:59,559 Speaker 1: from the the the tutor. You know what I'm saying. 1958 01:38:59,560 --> 01:39:02,680 Speaker 1: The person and that you know has done it is 1959 01:39:02,720 --> 01:39:06,160 Speaker 1: doing it. I think he could help a lot of people. 1960 01:39:07,120 --> 01:39:14,160 Speaker 1: Johnny Manziel, M Johnny Manzel was looking at it. I 1961 01:39:14,240 --> 01:39:18,679 Speaker 1: was looking at a a interview that he was doing. Man, 1962 01:39:19,120 --> 01:39:23,400 Speaker 1: and I just think, man, the dude was a rock star. 1963 01:39:24,439 --> 01:39:26,800 Speaker 1: Dude was a rock star. But I think he can 1964 01:39:26,840 --> 01:39:30,439 Speaker 1: help so many people by sharing his story, you know, 1965 01:39:30,520 --> 01:39:34,559 Speaker 1: and being on being given his story to people like you, 1966 01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:39,719 Speaker 1: your yourselves, Would you know, open up the minds of 1967 01:39:39,800 --> 01:39:43,160 Speaker 1: this high school phenom that's coming into a world that 1968 01:39:43,240 --> 01:39:46,439 Speaker 1: he doesn't even know even exists. You know what I'm saying, 1969 01:39:46,880 --> 01:39:51,400 Speaker 1: And yeah, Johnny Mack, okay, man, we appreciate your time. 1970 01:39:51,439 --> 01:39:53,640 Speaker 1: I knew this interview, whether we can keep talking, I 1971 01:39:53,640 --> 01:39:56,080 Speaker 1: feel like this vibe is endless. But I knew having 1972 01:39:56,080 --> 01:39:58,479 Speaker 1: this conversation with you, man, that it was you know, 1973 01:39:58,520 --> 01:40:00,439 Speaker 1: to me, I've just always been a fan of who 1974 01:40:00,479 --> 01:40:02,760 Speaker 1: you were on the field and who you represented as 1975 01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:04,760 Speaker 1: a person. I never listened and Jack and I both 1976 01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:07,320 Speaker 1: we never listened to the bullshit because there's always misconceptions 1977 01:40:07,320 --> 01:40:09,040 Speaker 1: about us. So I'm glad I got a chance to 1978 01:40:09,840 --> 01:40:11,320 Speaker 1: sit down and get to know you're a little bit 1979 01:40:11,320 --> 01:40:12,920 Speaker 1: better today and you spend the day with us, man, 1980 01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:16,040 Speaker 1: So we wanted to thank you for coming on the show. 1981 01:40:16,160 --> 01:40:19,320 Speaker 1: God blessed, stay healthy. Already what it is, and that's 1982 01:40:19,360 --> 01:40:23,480 Speaker 1: always say the end things man. One finger, one pinky, 1983 01:40:23,680 --> 01:40:28,320 Speaker 1: one thumb, one love Man, appreciate you guys man appreciate. 1984 01:40:28,680 --> 01:40:31,360 Speaker 1: But that's a rap jack. Great show. You can catch 1985 01:40:31,479 --> 01:40:35,320 Speaker 1: all the smoke on Showtime Basketball, YouTube, and the I 1986 01:40:35,479 --> 01:40:38,080 Speaker 1: Heart platform Black Effect. We'll see you all next week. 1987 01:40:38,320 --> 01:40:40,760 Speaker 1: This is all a Smoke, a production of The Black 1988 01:40:40,800 --> 01:40:43,880 Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime