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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 2: Thursday edition of The Play Travis and Buck Sexton Show

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Speaker 2: kicks off right now. Everybody, Thank you for being here

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Speaker 2: with us. As always, just a little guest preview, Eric Hovedy,

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Speaker 2: who is running for a critical Senate seat in Wisconsin.

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Speaker 2: He'll be with us in the second hour of the program.

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Speaker 2: He's a businessman, a philanthropist, and I think he's got

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Speaker 2: a really good shot of taking on the Democrat incumbent.

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Speaker 2: We shall discuss that, and also a lot going on

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Speaker 2: with the economy right now. People are starting to feel

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Speaker 2: more and more not just the pinch of high prices,

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Speaker 2: but the reality and the anxiety of this isn't going

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Speaker 2: to change anytime soon.

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Speaker 3: In fact, it's likely to get worse.

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Speaker 2: I think Biden's got some big problems on the economy,

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Speaker 2: even with all the games they're going to try to

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Speaker 2: play with Ray cuts and the rest of it. Certainly

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Speaker 2: something we'll get into battlefield Arizona. After that state Supreme

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Speaker 2: Court decision on an eighteen sixty four abortion law essentially

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Speaker 2: legally resurrected in the aftermath of Roe v. Wade, Democrats

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Speaker 2: are already trying to flood the airwaves with scare tactics there,

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Speaker 2: and they think Arizona is now trending in their direction.

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Speaker 2: We'll get back into that discussion and talk about it.

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Speaker 2: But the big, the big breaking news that has hit

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Speaker 2: all over the place in just the last hour or

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Speaker 2: so is that OJ Simpson. It's very interesting to see

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Speaker 2: how people are covering this given what happened.

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Speaker 3: What he did?

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Speaker 2: You know, OJ Simpson? How are they going to describe

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Speaker 2: this fellow in the headlines depends on where you go.

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Speaker 2: He has passed away from cancer. So OJ Simpson is

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Speaker 2: dead and this is for a lot of people bringing

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Speaker 2: back a whole bunch of memories. I remember this play

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Speaker 2: as the OJ Trial. Was the first time I had

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Speaker 2: ever paid attention to a criminal trial. I think I

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Speaker 2: was in the seventh or eighth grade. I can't even

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Speaker 2: remember now. It was on all the time. It really

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Speaker 2: felt like, in a lot of ways, the beginning of

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Speaker 2: court TV as its own phenomenon or as a national obsession,

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Speaker 2: because it was the biggest thing for a while. I

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Speaker 2: remember watching live. I believe it was the Knicks against

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Speaker 2: the Houston Rockets. When I used to watch the NBA

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Speaker 2: and they cut from the game to show the White

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Speaker 2: Bronco the Ford Bronco chase on the Highway, And this

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Speaker 2: brings back a lot of a lot of memories for people,

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Speaker 2: and also a reminder of how toxic and evil race

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Speaker 2: politics can be, because this was the first time, certainly

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Speaker 2: in my lifetime, that I can remember somebody getting away

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Speaker 2: with something so incredibly heinous. Because essentially they said, this

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Speaker 2: is the argument that was made, was, well, there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of racism in this country, so let's just have

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Speaker 2: this as kind of a makeup call, if you will.

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Speaker 2: And two innocent people, one entirely unrelated to OJ in

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Speaker 2: any context whatsoever, a bystander effectively brutally murdered Clay. I

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Speaker 2: know you're on Fox talking about this, and it's going

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Speaker 2: to dominate the headlines. I think for a portion of today.

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Speaker 2: It feels quite strange to me. You remember when Abu

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Speaker 2: Baker albag Daddy died and the New York Times described

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Speaker 2: him as a austere religious scholar. Yes, I'm seeing a

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Speaker 2: little bit of that, and I know that he just died,

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Speaker 2: and we usually don't want to speak.

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Speaker 3: Ill of the dead is this thing that we have.

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Speaker 2: But people got upset about the austere religious scholar. Also

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Speaker 2: the psychopathic terrorist, murderer and rapist Abu Baka al Buk

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Speaker 2: Dottie being described that way OJ's legacy. When they talk

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Speaker 2: about OJ's legacy, I feel like they've got to lead

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Speaker 3: Here or else.

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Speaker 2: They're part of a rewriting of history. I believe in

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Speaker 2: forgiveness and redemption. OJ never asked for either. He's a killer,

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Speaker 2: I believe based on all the evidence, and frankly, I

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Speaker 2: think he should rot in hell. And I don't feel

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Speaker 2: any compunction or necessity to tiptoe up to this.

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Speaker 1: He never accepted responsibility for killing Nicole Brown Simpson and

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Speaker 1: even by violent murder standards. And then he became I think,

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Speaker 1: and I tweeted this the forerunner of identity politics as

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Speaker 1: that America had a racist history and the Los Angeles

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Speaker 1: be responsible for what happened. And in fact that they

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Speaker 3: I think O. J.

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Speaker 1: Simpson traded on true racism that I acknowledge existed in

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Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties and nineteen sixties, innocent people who were

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Speaker 1: going to avoid punishment because of my race. And I

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Speaker 2: And Coulter had a line in one of her columns

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Speaker 2: for a while meant that the liberal white guilt bank

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Speaker 2: was closed, that you could no longer get away with

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Speaker 2: the same kinds of of you know, in treaties, arguments

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Speaker 2: based on racial politics and racial positioning, because there was

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know what it was like in

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Speaker 2: your school. I remember this very clearly.

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Speaker 3: In my school. I was at a Catholic.

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Speaker 2: there were there were some and a few of them.

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Speaker 2: We all listened on the only time anything like this

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Speaker 2: administrators didn't they everybody was just show shocked by There

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Speaker 2: was no punishment for this. I mean, they just kind

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Speaker 2: it was considered acceptable. It was such a toxic moment

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Speaker 2: of race politics in this country. It is so grotesque

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Speaker 2: that there was, finally, I think, a national reckoning from

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Speaker 2: all people of all ethnicities who act in good faith

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Speaker 2: and believe in the justice system that this kind of

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Speaker 2: thing cannot be allowed or cannot be celebrated, cannot be allowed.

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Speaker 2: I remember the uh you mentioned this? You so you

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Speaker 2: read the People Versus OJ so fabulous book.

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Speaker 1: And if you are today to Jeffrey Tuban, he's actually

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Speaker 1: a really talented writer may may not be able to

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Speaker 1: avoid masturbating in front of female employees while working at

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Speaker 1: the New Yorker.

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Speaker 3: I believe it was.

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Speaker 1: But he is a really talented writer, and it's a

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Speaker 1: great book. And if you want to go into the

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Speaker 1: specific details of that case, I know they turned into

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Speaker 1: a television show, which you watched, So.

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Speaker 2: You and I can trade on this one because I

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Speaker 2: saw the show. I didn't read that book. I didn't

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Speaker 2: even know there was a book written by Jeffrey Tuban

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Speaker 2: on this The show was on FX. Cuba Gooding Junior

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Speaker 2: plays OJ. I thought the show was fantastic. Did the

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Speaker 2: show let me ask you this. The book, Tuban is quite.

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Speaker 1: Confident that OJ is guilty, and he lays it out

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Speaker 1: like the I don't know. The television show made that

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Speaker 2: One of the terrible things is that it was so

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Speaker 2: early in DNA analysis that they were able to report

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Speaker 2: a new tech. People forget this. It was news technology

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Speaker 2: right now. It would be even it was an open

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Speaker 3: But I remember this. This was a.

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Speaker 2: Because I followed the trial. I was a young kid.

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Speaker 2: I followed the trial and I remember parts of it.

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Speaker 2: I told you what it was like when the verdicant. Now,

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Speaker 2: I remember feeling like it was a gut punch because

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Speaker 2: we're still America, and we don't want innocent people being killed,

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Speaker 2: no matter how imperfect this country is. We all agree,

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Speaker 2: and in that moment it wasn't true. In that moment,

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Speaker 2: there was from some people, there was so much animosity

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Speaker 2: toward whatever they perceive as the injustice of the system

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Speaker 2: or the other, that they celebrated the massacre of two

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Speaker 3: And we all knew what. No one really believed that

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Speaker 2: Looking for the real killers. Clay he wrote a book.

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Speaker 2: He was going to publish a book. If I did it,

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Speaker 2: we know you know it's not This should be no

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Speaker 2: around and talk about how, oh, he's innocent. But there's

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Speaker 2: a scene in The People versus O. J. Simpson that

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Speaker 2: I thought was the most powerful scene of the whole

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Speaker 2: when Marcia Clark sits down with Ron Goldman's dad and

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Speaker 2: the and the celebrity affair. He's like, my son is

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Speaker 2: an innocent guy, didn't do anything in this lunatic try

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Speaker 3: Just a guy standing there. Yeah. Yeah, it's brutal and

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Speaker 1: We talked about it because we were discussing the Princess

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Speaker 1: Luther King. There were lots of black kids celebrating, like

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Speaker 1: had gotten off because it had turned into a referendum

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Speaker 1: on blackness in some way, OJ, which is which is

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Speaker 1: what they spend a lot of time on. OJ used

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Speaker 1: to say all the time, I'm not black, I'm OJ.

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Speaker 1: OJ turned his back to a large extent on the

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Speaker 1: black community to become a huge celebrity. And then the

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Speaker 1: the the the wild thing about it is as soon

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Speaker 1: We're going to be joined by Eric Hovdy from Wisconsin,

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Speaker 5: Because of Donald Trump, millions of women lost the fundamental

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Speaker 2: I think Republicans are way too much on the back

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Speaker 2: Where's the counter messaging for? You know, the other side

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Speaker 1: And my concern is just that Democrats don't want to

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Speaker 3: Bidenomics has fallen on its face. The border.

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Speaker 1: He's going to try, potentially, I'm sure you've been reading

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Speaker 1: to maybe he's going to try to say that he's

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Speaker 1: executed some sort of executive authority that he could have

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Speaker 1: used years ago. He's not going to solve anything at

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Speaker 1: the border. Crime rates are at twenty first century highs,

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Speaker 1: and a violent crime is at all time highs in

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Speaker 1: many different cities. And if it's not in an all

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Speaker 1: time high, it's down a minuscule amount, it's.

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Speaker 3: Up substantially everywhere.

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Speaker 1: Since twenty twenty, we've got double wars in the Middle

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Speaker 1: East and in Europe that are unlikely to be totally resolved.

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Speaker 3: So he's going to run on abortion.

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Speaker 1: I think he's kind of cut his legs out from

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Speaker 1: underneath him on the democracy as at stake. That might

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Speaker 1: still motivate some people, but I think what you saw

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Speaker 1: and what you just heard from that advertisement, this is

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Speaker 1: ultimately going to be all he's got.

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Speaker 3: And so my.

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Speaker 1: Concern is in a state like Arizona, that might be

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Speaker 1: enough for him to win Arizona and if he does,

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Speaker 1: he's probably gonna win the presidency in twenty four. I

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Speaker 1: don't see the math working out very well where Trump

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Speaker 1: can lose Arizona and win the election. That's where people

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Speaker 1: is like, oh, you're suddenly pessimistic. Yeah, this is a

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Speaker 1: big deal, and I think people need to recognize it

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Speaker 1: as a big deal. The math becomes very difficult for

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Speaker 1: Trump if he doesn't win Arizona.

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Speaker 2: The legislature is lively in the state of Arizona over

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Speaker 2: this issue. We have a clip from it. This is

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Speaker 2: cut twenty nine. Play this is Arizona State legislature on

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Speaker 2: this abortion issue.

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Speaker 3: Play so you get the idea.

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Speaker 2: They're shouting shame. This issue is very is very contentious.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's a part of me that just feels

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Speaker 2: sad for a country that, even in a place where

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Speaker 2: what the presidency could theoretically be delivered to Joe Biden

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Speaker 2: for four more years, because so many basically because so

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Speaker 2: many young women or you know, women of childbearing age,

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Speaker 2: have been convinced that the right to abort their baby

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Speaker 2: is more important than safety on the streets, the economy,

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Speaker 2: the price of groceries, immigration, you know, you know, it's

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Speaker 2: a very tragic place for the country to be.

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Speaker 3: It is where the country unfortunately sits right now.

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Speaker 2: I agree with you that at Arizona there's going to

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Speaker 2: be a problem Democrats don't they They don't want to

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Speaker 2: fix this because what would that even mean. I think

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Speaker 2: that also, this is going to be a long This

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Speaker 2: is going to be a long battle. And that's why

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Speaker 2: the people that are advocating for this, like like I do,

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Speaker 2: and have been and ran Paul. At the state level,

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Speaker 2: the goal is the twenty one states that are more

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Speaker 2: restrictive than row people foster a culture of life, and

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Speaker 2: in other states they see that. It turns out, you know,

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Speaker 2: the Tennessee approach is better than the California approach that

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Speaker 2: you know, preserving life to the greatest degree, to the

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Speaker 2: greatest degree possible on whatever that's going to mean in

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Speaker 2: some of these states will be interesting. You know, is

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Speaker 2: it life of the mother at rape incest only?

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Speaker 3: Is there? Is it six weeks? Is it twelve? It

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Speaker 3: was six weeks in Florida?

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Speaker 2: Right, This will play out the ideas that over time,

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Speaker 2: more and more of the country will embrace a culture

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Speaker 2: of life. And that's why trying to come over the

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Speaker 2: top politically with the federal law. This is what Ran

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Speaker 2: Paul was saying yesterday. It's it's problematic politically, and I

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Speaker 2: think it's also problematic constitutionally. And then what you just

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Speaker 2: create is Okay, well, we're gonna have a seesaw back

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Speaker 2: and forth. The federal law says twelve months or twelve weeks.

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Speaker 2: The federal law says six weeks. The federal you know,

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Speaker 2: that's that's going to be where the fight is. And

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Speaker 2: I think that it's better left to the states over

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Speaker 2: the long term. Now, in the short term, I think

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Speaker 2: this puts Arizona in a very prepared Two things make

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Speaker 2: Arizona difficult, by the way, the Republicans who did not

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Speaker 2: vote for Carrie Lake the last time around because of

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Speaker 2: the John McCain yep, you know, respect for Trump as

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Speaker 2: well for Trump. And this is just folks, this is

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Speaker 2: just a reality. We can see the party registrations, we

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Speaker 2: can see how the vote, we can see how the

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Speaker 2: votes piled up. They did not react well to Carrie

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Speaker 2: Lake saying if you voted for John McCain, I don't

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Speaker 2: care if you vote for me.

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Speaker 3: That was not a smart thing. She knows that.

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Speaker 2: Now she's she's trying to make amends with McCain camp,

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Speaker 2: so to speak. And now the abortion iss you play

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Speaker 2: this is I'm with you. I'm not worried about Georgia,

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Speaker 2: for Trump or for the Republicans in general. Arizona this

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Speaker 2: is concerning right now. This is a challenge, Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: it needs to get resolved.

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Speaker 1: And then the other part of this that's the challenge

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Speaker 1: is I don't think Democrats want to fix it. I

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Speaker 1: also think there are some Republicans that don't want to

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Speaker 1: committed to they agree with the eighteen sixty four policy.

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Speaker 1: And so that becomes a challenge too, because there are

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Speaker 1: some I.

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Speaker 2: Don't want to see the if they think the law

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Speaker 2: is the right law, it's tough to get them to say.

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Speaker 2: And from their perspective, it's how many lives will be

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Speaker 2: saved in the state of Arizona if we dig in

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Speaker 2: on this, and what's the value, what's the value of

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Speaker 2: that versus the value politically. Look, these are very tough,

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Speaker 2: contentious because you are you're blending uh you know, you're

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Speaker 2: you're you're doing a balancing act of saving life immediately

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Speaker 3: And you know this is not easy. I can't.

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Speaker 2: This is why you have Republicans are split on the

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Speaker 2: best way to approach this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's why I think it's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: complicated factor. And again I would just say basic math,

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Speaker 1: it's almost impossible for Trump to be elected president if

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Speaker 1: he doesn't win Arizona. And you could sketch sketch one together, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, he could sweep Pennsylvania, Michigan, in Wisconsin, or

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Speaker 1: the math can be messed with, I think, and the

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Speaker 1: challenge becomes very very You're fighting a massive uphill battle

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Speaker 1: if you don't win Arizona, because I think the likelihood

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Speaker 3: No, I haven't even seen it.

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Speaker 2: Many bullets fired by cops.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he shot at them eleven times. Listened to his

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Speaker 6: It just bumped his little car three days before there

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Speaker 6: he said, mom, rat and they killed him.

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Speaker 1: They killed him, and then she faints. It looks like

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Speaker 1: They're suing Chicago.

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Speaker 2: Hold on a second, I mean, right, like, no matter

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Speaker 3: Play you can speak to this. We're working on it.

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Speaker 2: But no matter who you are, if you lose a child,

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Speaker 3: And and that's.

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Speaker 2: Just of course, but the media coverage of the mom

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Speaker 2: We don't know why he did not want to comply.

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Speaker 2: It's all on video.

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Speaker 3: You can see it as clear as day. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 3: well I'm a parent.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't say like they he was just

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Speaker 1: eleven shots, I know, but.

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Speaker 2: Of course you'd be very. You know, you're very. You're

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Speaker 1: And it also is a clear attempt to try to

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Speaker 2: and Buck. We'll take some calls on this.

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00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 3: The OJ OJ verdict good Heaven see death of OJ Simpson.

680
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 3: Perhaps he awaits God's verdict here, it's already happened.

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00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 2: I suppose whereas he upstairs or downstairs, if you catch

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Speaker 2: them adrift, I would not want to be OJ facing

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Speaker 2: my creator.

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00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 3: I can tell you that we're gonna take some of

685
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 3: your calls on that one.

686
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 2: Also, we just discussed this play that that Washington Post

687
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 2: headline that is that is recklessly dishonest, it's vicious.

688
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 3: Yes, these cops.

689
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 2: Are going to be targeted now by lunatics, and they're

690
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 2: going to be getting death threats to their families and

691
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 2: all this stuff in part because they are presenting this

692
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 2: case of the shooting in Chicago. This was a lawful

693
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 2: shoot in any context.

694
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 3: They didn't.

695
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter if there are cops or not. If

696
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 2: someone starts shooting at you, you have a god given right,

697
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 2: a god given right to defend yourself. No person is

698
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 2: required under any circumstances. Oh well, you know there's a

699
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 2: history of injustice, so you know you can kill me now.

700
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 2: Absolutely not, and the Washington go ahead. It's not just

701
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 2: a Washington Post I was gonna build on what you're saying.

702
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 2: I'm looking it up because I did see this the

703
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 2: Associated Press, who was supposed to be the least biased

704
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 2: news organization out there, their headline on this buck is

705
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 2: deadly Chicago traffic stop where police fired ninety six shots.

706
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 2: Raises serious questions about use of force. With a picture

707
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 2: of the guy who was shot from his high school

708
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 2: graduation eight years ago. He's the graduation photo. This is

709
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 2: the old Mike Brown thing too. Whatever they want to

710
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 2: uh foment a narrative and get people worked up and

711
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 2: create rage out there from those who are unfortunately easily misled,

712
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:53,280
Speaker 2: they use the In a case of a black individual

713
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 2: killed by police, they always use a graduation photo. They

714
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 2: did this with Mike Brown. Yes, with the Mike Brown

715
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 2: grad they didn't use use as much the still shots

716
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 2: of him physically assaulting and robbing somebody right before his

717
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 2: encounter with the officer in Saint Louis. But they also

718
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 2: did this with with Trayvon Martin. If I recall, I

719
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 2: remember that the photo they kept showing of Trayvon Martin.

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Speaker 3: Glad you remember this. He's about twelve.

721
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 2: The Trayvon Martin who actually got into a fight with

722
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 2: George Zimmerman and tried to bash his head into the concrete.

723
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,919
Speaker 2: Was eighteen years old and weighed one hundred and seventy

724
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 2: pounds or one hundred and sixty pounds, give or take.

725
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 2: But the photo that they were presenting everybody was of

726
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 2: a twelve year old, you know, an angelic looking twelve

727
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 2: year old. This stuff is, This is Soviet in its propaganda.

728
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 2: The Washington Post should be ashamed. It's a disgrace as

729
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 2: an organization. They are defaming by their actions, these officers

730
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 2: creating the perception that there was some racist intent or

731
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 2: racist motive here. I'm gonna be at the gun range, well,

732
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 2: not tomorrow, this weekend, and I can.

733
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 3: Tell you.

734
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 2: Know, when you are under stress, under pressure, first of all,

735
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 2: you're going to fire a lot more rounds than you

736
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 2: think you will. And of course I haven't been in

737
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 2: a lethal shootout like this, but even just in training,

738
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 2: if you're trying to go at speed, you can fire

739
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 2: a lot more rounds you think when you're when you're

740
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 2: endorphins are up, it's very easy to rattle off fifteen

741
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 2: rounds from a a clock nineteen or any number of

742
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 2: different side arms that you can carry in a matter

743
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 2: of seconds, and Clay, you're moving to avoid getting shot

744
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 2: while you're shooting.

745
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 3: Right.

746
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this this they love to do, this thing

747
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 2: of oh all the bullets that were fired.

748
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 3: How many bullets are.

749
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 2: You supposed to fire when someone's trying to kill you?

750
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 2: As many as you have to do to stop the

751
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 2: threat is the only acceptable answer.

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00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again he fired at eleven shy And this

753
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 1: is one where I would say body camera is important

754
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: because think about this. If the body camera didn't exist,

755
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: they would lives that they fired first lives and they

756
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: would try to put them in prison. That would be

757
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 1: the case. Instead. You can watch for yourself. You can

758
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: go see the video of this. You can see him

759
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 1: refuse to comply. This is something that is really important.

760
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: Officers deserve a service medal, that's the truth. They deserve

761
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: a commendation for bravery on the job. Someone tried to

762
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: kill them and they return fire. That is the reality

763
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: of how law enforcement works, and that's how they But

764
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 1: instead we're getting oh, you know, the too many rounds

765
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: fired and he was just out for a drive. This

766
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: is what I want every parent and every grandparent out

767
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: there to listen closely on because we hear none of

768
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: this publicly. I've never heard anybody else with a substantial

769
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: audience argue it. I set down with my kids, and

770
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:45,959
Speaker 1: I would encourage you to sit down with your kids,

771
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: or your grandkids, or your nieces or your nephews, cousins,

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00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 1: whoever is close to you, regardless of their race, comply

773
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: with the demands of police officers.

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00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 3: I'm a lawyer. If somebody does.

775
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: An unreasonable search of your kid, or if somebody does

776
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: something that is inappropriate under the law, you can challenge

777
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: that in the future. All of these incidents, all of them.

778
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 1: If when you get pulled over, if you put your

779
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: hands on the steering wheel and you do exactly what

780
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,240
Speaker 1: the officer says, none of this would have ever happened.

781
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: So if you are out there and you've got a

782
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,720
Speaker 1: sixteen year old like I do, who has just started

783
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 1: to drive, just listen to police officers.

784
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, but everybody, everybody who's listening to you knows that

785
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. This is This isn't like maybe,

786
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 2: this isn't like somebody got a little scar play. This

787
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 2: isn't like somebody got a little scared and they hit

788
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 2: the accelerator and they tried to get away or something.

789
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 2: This someone drew down and tried to murder a cop, right,

790
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 2: but every reason you can tell them to comply as

791
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 2: much as you want. Someone who's willing to shoot a

792
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 2: cops doesn't care about.

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Speaker 3: You, sa I bet I bet this.

794
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: I bet this mom never told her son if you

795
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: ever get pulled over by a police officer, comply with

796
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,240
Speaker 1: every single thing that an officer says.

797
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 3: I bet you did.

798
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 2: But it's it's it's a little bit like telling a

799
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 2: you know, a mass murderer, like, hey, don't buy that

800
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 2: gun illegally before you go and shoot everybody.

801
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 3: I mean, you were way beyond, We're way beyond.

802
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: The problem is we've got a culture that believes you

803
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 1: shouldn't believe what a police officer says, and it's making

804
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: dangerous situations for police officers and for the people they

805
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 1: pull over way worse. And I don't remember that existing.

806
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you, I don't remember that A

807
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: saying to.

808
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 2: Me, Clay, this is that's that's a it's a compelling

809
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 2: point or you know, it's important people to hear that

810
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,879
Speaker 2: in an excessive use of force situation where cops are

811
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 2: like wrestling someone to the ground, and you know that's

812
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 2: a compliance. This guy pulled the gun out and tried

813
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 2: to kill the officers. You know what I'm saying, That's

814
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 2: not something you do.

815
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 3: Because if you watch the video, all he had to do.

816
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: I mean, in other words, yes, he accelerated this, but

817
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: they gave him time to just unlock the car door,

818
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: get out, give your driver's license, right, like he was

819
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: the eccelerant here. Almost always refusing to comply with the

820
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: initial comment of a police officer is the accelerant that

821
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:08,760
Speaker 1: leads to violence.

822
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 3: Right. All you have to do is comply.

823
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 1: And I don't hear anybody ever say if you get

824
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: pulled over by a police officer, just comply.

825
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 3: I've never heard an athlete say.

826
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 2: Everybody wants to grabbing your gun and trying to kill

827
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 2: the cop because they said roll down your window. That's

828
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 2: like a world away from just comply, you know what

829
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 2: I mean, Like that's that you're in a whole other stratosphere.

830
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: Correct, And the story of why this guy wants to

831
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: shoot at police officers is its whole another story. Maybe

832
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: we'll never get the honest truth. Most people who get

833
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 1: pulled over don't think I'm going to get my gun

834
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: and shoot police officers, right. But I mean, but a

835
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: lot of these accelerates happened because somebody just doesn't listen

836
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: to the commands of a police officer, including this one.

837
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 3: I mean, the guy just rolls down his window and

838
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 3: gets out of a car.

839
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 2: Everything's fine, of course, And and you know this is

840
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 2: the compliance would make almost all of these law enforcement

841
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 2: involved shootings not happen across the board, not just with

842
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 2: a black either perpetrator or victy binding on the situation anybody,

843
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 2: because because this is one thing that's true about cops

844
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 2: and we have you know, we're very honored we have

845
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 2: such a large law enforcement audience. Live of the lives

846
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 2: of the officers forever change careers, altered, lives altered, they're

847
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 2: gonna lose, uh, even in a completely lawful shoot. I mean, look,

848
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 2: go go talk to anybody who's had to use lethal force,

849
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 2: even in the military. This stuff is hard to process,

850
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 2: hard to handle. Nobody wants to go out as a

851
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 2: law enforcement officer and kill somebody just because I mean,

852
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 2: if they do, they're a psychopath and they belong in

853
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,479
Speaker 2: prison for the rest of their lives. That's incredibly, incredibly rare.

854
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 2: It's rare than it is in the general population. And uh,

855
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 2: these officers don't want to be involved in something like

856
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 2: this at all. But I just think it's interesting that,

857
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 2: you know, absent this narrative. You know, generally speaking, if

858
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 2: an officer defends himself, defends the other officers there on

859
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 2: the scene against a lethal threat, it's a it's a

860
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 2: point of common day. And instead we're having this conversation

861
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 2: now about whether it's excessive force. And based on what

862
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 2: if this is excessive force, Clay, we expect law enforcement

863
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 2: officers to get killed on the job and do nothing

864
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 2: about it. We might as well disarm all cops and

865
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 2: let the criminal element in our society kill cops at will,

866
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 2: because we are saying they're not allowed to defend themselves.

867
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 2: This could not have been This is like in that

868
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 2: same category. Remember with the officer who shot the young

869
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,439
Speaker 2: black woman who was trying to stab the other young

870
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Speaker 2: black Cleveland, Yeah, in Cleveland, and Lebron was like your

871
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 2: next or whatever about this thing. You know, it was

872
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 2: a horrible he saved someone's life. The cop clearly saved

873
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 2: the other young woman's life.

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Speaker 3: And the same.

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Speaker 2: Voices, oh police brutality, it's just this reflexive and just

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Speaker 2: idiotic anti police sentiment that now, unfortunately is a real

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Speaker 2: commonplace in our society.

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Speaker 1: And if you were trying to be honest as a journalist,

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Speaker 1: how could you have a headline that doesn't include the

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Speaker 1: fact that they were returning fire if you were just

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Speaker 1: you know, like, look, people screw up headlines. I run

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Speaker 1: a media company. Sometimes people screw up headlines. The idea

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Speaker 1: that you would say officers who were shot at by

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Speaker 1: eleven times and I think it's like three or four

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Speaker 1: officers returning fire.

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Speaker 3: The guys try to kill police officers.

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Speaker 1: What would the appropriate number of times you could shoot

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Speaker 1: back at someone trying to kill you? Be right? I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you were just making an error, this is not

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Speaker 1: the headline that the error would be.

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Speaker 2: What you're doing, yes, trying to rip open racial psychological wounds,

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Speaker 2: because they are zealots and they want to divide America

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Speaker 2: in the Washington Post, the New York Times along racial lines,

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Speaker 2: and they think that makes for a better country. And

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Speaker 2: as we know from whether it's the OJ verdict or this,

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Speaker 2: dividing us along racial lines is poison. It is a

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Speaker 2: poison in our society, always is, and it always will be,

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Speaker 2: and this is one of the fundamental premises. I think

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Speaker 2: that the left will just continue to get wrong. I

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Speaker 2: mean they're kind of addicted to racial grievance for the

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Speaker 2: reasons of power, but also because of the vanity that

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Speaker 2: allows people. Oh yeah, I care so much about BLM.

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Speaker 2: I put a BLM square up on my Instagram. I

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Speaker 2: care about racial justice, Clay. I know people who live

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Speaker 2: in entirely white neighborhoods, who go to entirely white country

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Speaker 4: You know him as conservative radio hosts. Now just get

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Speaker 1: Find it in their podcast feed on the iHeartRadio app

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Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. Wander back in play

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Speaker 1: Travis buck Sexton show. He's running for the Senate in Wisconsin.

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Speaker 1: He could be one of the seats that flips to

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Speaker 1: give Republicans control of the Senate. He is a fourth

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Speaker 1: generation Wisconsin height Is that the right phrase? We'll find out.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: And he lives right now in Madison. Uh.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I think I'm gonna try to get

952
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Speaker 1: up to watch the Alabama Wisconsin game in Madison in September.

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Speaker 1: It should be a pretty awesome scene. I bet you

954
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Speaker 1: will be there as part of the campaign. Eric Hoveny

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Speaker 1: joins us, Now, what is it going to be like?

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Speaker 3: What do you think?

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Speaker 1: And when Alabama rolls into your hometown of Madison, that's

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Speaker 1: a pretty big game.

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Speaker 7: It's gonna be rocky. Camp Randall is one of the

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Speaker 7: best spots to watch a college football game. And I'm

961
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Speaker 7: I'm being totally serious about that. I'm not just talking

962
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Speaker 7: my school up. But it's in a community instead of

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Speaker 7: surrounded by a giant parking lot. You've got Regent Street,

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Speaker 7: all the bars, You've got people that's set up with

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Speaker 7: selling broughtwursts and beer. I've had season tickets there for geez,

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Speaker 7: thirty plus years, right on the forty five yard line.

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Speaker 7: My dad had them before me since the early sixties.

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Speaker 7: It's a ball and when Alabama comes running out, people

969
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Speaker 7: will be screaming and yelling. It's gonna be a hell

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Speaker 7: of a great game.

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Speaker 3: All right, I agree with you.

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Speaker 1: I'm actually curious though, So you had season tickets for

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Speaker 1: years and years, you're right there near midfield. You're going

974
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Speaker 1: to be all in on the Badgers. How do you

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Speaker 1: balance campaigning when you also really really care about the

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Speaker 1: game that's going on.

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Speaker 7: Uh, that's gonna be tough, But there's no way I'm

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Speaker 7: going to miss Alabama running out on the Camp Randle

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Speaker 7: Stadium onto the field. So and there's gonna be some

980
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Speaker 7: great Packer games because I'm so hyped up about the

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Speaker 7: Packers this year. You know, we're the favorite right now

982
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Speaker 7: in Vegas odds to win the Super Bowl. So look,

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Speaker 7: I'm just gonna have to schedule around it. Will I

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Speaker 7: be able to go to every game? No, but you

985
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Speaker 7: know there's a couple I just gotta you know, X

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Speaker 7: out and you know I'll be shaking hands and seeing

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Speaker 7: people and all the rest and having a couple of

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Speaker 7: Bruce Skis along with.

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Speaker 3: It, No doubt. Sounds awesome already.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Eric, it's it's Buck. Tell us why you're gonna

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Speaker 2: be able to beat Tammy Baldwin, the incumbent Democrat this

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Speaker 2: time around, and just give us a sense as to

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Speaker 2: how you'll represent the great people of Wisconsin differently from

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Speaker 2: what she has aligned herself with.

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Speaker 7: Look, Kemmy Baldwin is a career politician, thirty eight years

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Speaker 7: in politics. He literally came out of school, ran for

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Speaker 7: not city council, county council, then went on to the Assembly,

998
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Speaker 7: then the Congress, and then the Senate. Everything she votes

999
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Speaker 7: for is wrong. You know, she voted for everything that

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Speaker 7: Joe Biden wanted. She in facts she votes with him

1001
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Speaker 7: ninety five point five percent of the time. Think of

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Speaker 7: how crazy that is. You know, I love my wife,

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Speaker 7: We've been together for over thirty years. We don't agree

1004
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Speaker 7: on everything ninety five point five percent of the time,

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Speaker 7: and they're sure couldn't see how anybody would even agree

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Speaker 7: with Joe Biden ten percent at the time. So I'm

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Speaker 7: just going to point out the facts of you know,

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Speaker 7: she voted for you know, four point seven trillion dollars

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Speaker 7: of additional government spending that helped ignite inflation. You know,

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Speaker 7: she she has and wrong on the border. I have

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Speaker 7: an add up right now on the border, and our

1012
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Speaker 7: state is really being affected now by what's happening over

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Speaker 7: the border on multiple different levels. She actually not only

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Speaker 7: supported Obama when he did is Iranian deal, but when

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Speaker 7: Joe Biden went to double down on a really bad thing,

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Speaker 7: because we know the negative consequences of that first deal,

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Speaker 7: how isis and all the parism that exploded after he

1018
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Speaker 7: gave Iran all that catch Biden goes doubles down on

1019
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Speaker 7: that same thing, as Tammy Baldwin's there to support that.

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Speaker 7: So she's a career politician. She knows nothing about the economy,

1021
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Speaker 7: how the economy works. She's totally bought off by special interests.

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Speaker 7: Her Senate office as a revolving door of lobbyists, and

1023
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Speaker 7: she takes all the special interest money. She actually earmarked

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Speaker 7: in the last budget four hundred thousand dollars for a

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Speaker 7: transgender affirming clinic that doesn't even tell parents that they're

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Speaker 7: doing that with their own kids. Now, think of that.

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Speaker 7: I mean, this is how far out there she is.

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Speaker 7: Now she runs in our states. You know, I'm moderate

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Speaker 7: and tries to position herself that way, but she's one

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Speaker 7: of the three most progressive senators. And if I can

1031
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Speaker 7: win this seat, not only will that assure that, you know,

1032
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Speaker 7: the Senate will flip for the next two years, but

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Speaker 7: it's really the next four to six years because the

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Speaker 7: next couple election cycles are more difficult for Republicans. So

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Speaker 7: this is such a critical seat to pull back for

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Speaker 7: you know, common sense approach to government.

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Speaker 1: What do you your race is not the same as

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's race, but you are going to be connected

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Speaker 1: to a certain extent. Ron Johnson won in twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 1: six years more as a senator, so certainly people are

1041
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Speaker 1: receptive to what he argues. How do you see a

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Speaker 1: presidential election year, certainly turnout is going to be up

1043
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Speaker 1: impacting the overall pathway for you to take back the

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Speaker 1: Senate through this win.

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Speaker 7: Yeah right now, well, let's back up. In twenty twenty,

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Speaker 7: Donald Trump lost the election by twenty thousand vote out,

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Speaker 7: if we'll call it, three million voters that will show

1048
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Speaker 7: up them vote. So it was a hair by a hair.

1049
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Speaker 7: But we have six of our eight congressional seats are Republican.

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Speaker 7: Our state Senate's the supermajority republic in our state Assembly

1051
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Speaker 7: is almost a supermajority. So there was about sixty thousand

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Speaker 7: voters that would vote for a Republican state senator or

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Speaker 7: congressional officer assemblymen that didn't vote for Donald Trump, two

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Speaker 7: thirds of more women, a third of mar college educated men.

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Speaker 7: So you know, look, I'm going to be talking to

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Speaker 7: everybody in our state because I believe in Ronald Reagan's

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Speaker 7: broad end strategy. But I will also be messaging to

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Speaker 7: those people and you know, talking about the issues that

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Speaker 7: hopefully mattered to them to get them to vote for

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Speaker 7: me like they did for other Republican congressional and state

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Speaker 7: Senate races. The other thing I'm doing is a lot

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Speaker 7: of times Republicans just go about you know, turning out

1063
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Speaker 7: their own base. I believe we got to push the

1064
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Speaker 7: map like Reagan did. I've been in the minority communities,

1065
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Speaker 7: both the black community and the Hispanic community, talking to them.

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Speaker 7: I'm telling you there's a major ship going on there

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Speaker 7: because these people had been hammered by the inflation and

1068
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Speaker 7: the open borders and immigration and what's happening there. I'm taught.

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Speaker 7: I'm fighting in Madison. You know, I was born there,

1070
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Speaker 7: raised there, had a business there for twenty five years.

1071
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Speaker 7: You know, that is my home. That's where I live,

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Speaker 7: and I've given to more charities than all but a

1073
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Speaker 7: handful of people in the Madison market. So I'm going

1074
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Speaker 7: to compete there, but I'm going to talk to everybody

1075
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Speaker 7: across the state because our country is in trouble. Look,

1076
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Speaker 7: we're losing the American dream for far to many people,

1077
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Speaker 7: and it's scary how much of damage the Left has

1078
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Speaker 7: done to our country in such a short amount of time.

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Speaker 7: And we're speaking and we have to take back this country.

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Speaker 2: We're speaking to Eric Hovedy. He's running for the US

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Speaker 2: Senate seat that is currently held by Tammy Baldwin and Wisconsin.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be a very important race. Just one

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Speaker 3: more for you. Eric.

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Speaker 2: My understanding is, you know, when you think of Wisconsin

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Speaker 2: as a border state, most people would think, well, yeah,

1086
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Speaker 2: I guess you know Canada. But you are a border

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Speaker 2: state in more ways too, because there are people that

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Speaker 2: are being these illegal immigrants that are coming into the

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Speaker 2: country are being moved by the federal government into your state,

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Speaker 2: including into some small towns.

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Speaker 3: Can you tell us what's going on with that.

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Speaker 7: It's happening in small towns all over. I'll give you

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Speaker 7: an example. Whitewater, Wisconsin's the town of about thirteen thousand citizens.

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Speaker 7: They dropped one thousand illegal immigrants overnight there. So what's happened.

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Speaker 7: Where do you house these people? They don't have the

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Speaker 7: housing for them, so they're putting them all over the place.

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Speaker 7: Access to healthcare, This is a real crisis in our country.

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Speaker 7: People are struggling to get access to healthcare even before

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Speaker 7: this immigration wave, and now it's made it really acute.

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Speaker 7: It's blown up the Whitewater's budget. I mean almost immediately.

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Speaker 7: How does the city that now has to take care

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Speaker 7: of another thousand people that isn't generating revenue for them

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Speaker 7: any taxes. It's just a big cought. So their budgets

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Speaker 7: upside down literally immediately, where before their budget was in

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Speaker 7: a good position. But this is happening in small towns

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Speaker 7: all over. I was just talking to somebody who said

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Speaker 7: this was happening in another even smaller town in northern

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Speaker 7: Wisconsin where all these Nicaraguans came in. Nobody knows how

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Speaker 7: to speak to them. They don't worre to put housing.

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Speaker 7: Where do you get them into schools? You don't even

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Speaker 7: have the teachers to the school of them. So we've

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Speaker 7: got a crisis on our hand. And you know the

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Speaker 7: other thing, Wisconsin has been very impacted, like all over

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Speaker 7: our country about the fentanyl and opiate crisis. You know,

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Speaker 7: we lost what is it, one hundred and twelve thousand

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Speaker 7: Americans last year to this crisis. Most of them are young.

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Speaker 7: It's a leading cause of death for Americans between the

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Speaker 7: ages of eighteen and forty five. And all those drugs

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Speaker 7: pour over our southern quarter. So on every single level,

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Speaker 7: this has been negative to our country, to the people

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Speaker 7: of Wisconsin, and it needs to be shut down and stopped.

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Speaker 2: Eric Hovedy, everybody, Eric, what's your website? Because you're going

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Speaker 2: to need some help to beat tam Tammy Baldwin.

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Speaker 7: Eric E, Ric hubbd ho v is in victory, d

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Speaker 7: isn't David E is An Edwards erichovde dot com. I

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Speaker 7: appreciate anybody and everybody's involvement because look, we got to

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Speaker 7: take back our country. We got to save America. Thank

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Speaker 7: you both of you guys. It's great being on your show.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Eric, appreciate it.

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Speaker 6: You.

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Speaker 2: We're going to be rooting for you and talking to

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Speaker 2: you more as it gets closer. You know, we discuss

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Speaker 2: here because it's in the news. It's so important.

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Speaker 3: Right now.

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Speaker 2: People are getting behind on their credit card bills. It's

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Speaker 2: a big problem because groceries are what thirty percent more expensive?

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Speaker 3: Thanks Biden, Well, what can you do about it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, we have to be aware of this and

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Speaker 2: we want to change things politically. But in the meantime,

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Speaker 2: these bills are piling up. It's where American financing can help.

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Speaker 2: Interest rates have dropped into the fives, the lowest they've

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Speaker 2: out high interest credit card debt. Compare the percentage rate

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