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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 3: My name is Matt, my name is Nolah.

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Speaker 4: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 4: super producer Alexis codenamed Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 4: are here and that makes this the Stuff they Don't

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Speaker 4: want you to Know. It's the top of the week,

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Speaker 4: which means it's time to explore some strange news. The

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Speaker 4: White House apparently is beefing a little bit with the sun.

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Speaker 4: There are possibly Olympics that do not have the same

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Speaker 4: rules and regulations as the current Olympics. Most importantly, the

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Speaker 4: WHO has released some new information about a substance they

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Speaker 4: consider carcinogenic.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, but first, we're going back to June thirteenth,

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Speaker 2: twenty eleven to tell you about a little video we

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Speaker 2: made called stuff they Don't Want You to Know Dash aspartame.

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Speaker 2: It was posted on the how Stuff Works YouTube channel,

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Speaker 2: and before that it was on iTunes video and Ben

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Speaker 2: I just posted the description there, do you want to

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Speaker 2: give us a read of the description of that video.

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Speaker 4: Oh gosh, we're traveling back in time. Aspartame is sweeter

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Speaker 4: than sugar and packed less of a caloric punch. Sounds cool, right,

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Speaker 4: So why has aspartain become one of the most controversial

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Speaker 4: food additives in history? Tune in to learn more about

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Speaker 4: aspartame conspiracy theories.

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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much for that, Ben, Then, guys,

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Speaker 2: on July fourth, twenty fourteen, we reposted that video on

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Speaker 2: our shiny new YouTube channel. I think we put the

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Speaker 2: same description in there, and we also added a little

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Speaker 2: something to the beginning of it. And I just want

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Speaker 2: to tell you about that. This is a statement from

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Speaker 2: Morando Sofriti, the scientific director of the Ramazi Center. He

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Speaker 2: made this statement in twenty eleven at a little thing

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Speaker 2: called the ald Seminar on Artificial Sweeteners in Brussels. Here's

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Speaker 2: the quote.

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Speaker 5: Aspartin should be considered a multiple size transpieces carcinogenic agency improadence,

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Speaker 5: a revaluation of the current regulation of aspartain remain in

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Speaker 5: our opinion.

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Speaker 2: Arch Okay, So that's twenty eleven, guys, statements being made

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Speaker 2: with a bunch of scientific experts around and one of

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Speaker 2: them going, yeah, we need to classify this substance aspartame,

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Speaker 2: as a carcinogenic substance in rats, right, just in rats.

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Speaker 3: But also, weren't they like just feeding them hella amounts

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Speaker 2: Yes, but there's more to it than that.

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Speaker 3: I know, I know, but that was always the thing

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Speaker 3: that I think some people left out when they were saying, oh,

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Speaker 3: sweet and Low give you cancer, and you sort of,

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Speaker 3: you know, forget that we're feeding these tiny creatures, you know,

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Speaker 3: insane doses of the stuff.

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Speaker 2: Well we are. Well, let's get into that really quickly.

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Speaker 2: According to the FDA's website, you would need to ingest

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Speaker 2: seventy five packets of the branded aspertain Nutra sweet or

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Speaker 2: Sweet and Low or all those other ones before it's

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Speaker 2: going to become even the level that you're allowed to

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Speaker 2: have during any twenty four hour period. Right, So, seventy

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Speaker 2: five packets seems like a whole bunch. I've never had

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Speaker 2: that much. But again, this is why this whole topic

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Speaker 2: is weird. This is why it's being spoken about so

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Speaker 2: much right now, This is why we're even covering it again,

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Speaker 2: because there's weirdness to this whole aspartame business. Let's pause

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Speaker 2: on the old coverage and let's go to the new story.

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Speaker 2: This was posted on July first, twenty twenty three, the

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Speaker 2: hottest day on record as of this recording ever literally

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Speaker 2: ever yees. The title is the who is about to

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Speaker 2: declare aspartame can cause cancer? Here's why you should listen.

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Speaker 2: And this is written by Karen Landman for Vox. I'm

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Speaker 2: just going to read directly from this a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I highly recommend you check out the article. In mid July,

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Speaker 2: the International Agency for Research on Cancer, a branch of

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Speaker 2: the World Health Organization, plans to release the results of

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Speaker 2: a fresh review of safety data on aspartame. According to Reuters,

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Speaker 2: the agency will declare that aspartame is quote possibly carcinogenic

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Speaker 2: to humans. So this is all reporting on some reporting

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Speaker 2: So, as we're sitting here and you know, discussing this

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Speaker 3: Sure, Matt, does this pertain the possibly portion of this

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Speaker 3: to these classifications that carcinogens are are kind of given.

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Speaker 2: this substance has been debated since its inception as a thing,

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Speaker 2: and the science is kind of still out on it

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Speaker 2: for a whole bunch of reasons. And if you continue

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Speaker 2: through this aretic, it gives you the history of aspartame

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Speaker 2: or nutri Suite as it was originally called by GD

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Speaker 2: I went back and watched our video again, guys, I

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Speaker 4: Let's do it.

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Speaker 2: Wish by the way, we talked about before in twenty

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Speaker 2: fourteen when we released our audio episode what Are You

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Speaker 2: to hear the Aspartame stories so badly. But let's go

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Speaker 2: over it right now. So, as you say in your

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Speaker 2: awesome voiceover Ben in that twenty eleven original video, Aspartame

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Speaker 2: or nutri Suite is discovered by a chemist working for

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Speaker 2: originally or this group of people you know, led by

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Speaker 4: I tried to find that person too when I was

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Speaker 3: But it happens to the public. Yeah, let's do it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And in this company, gd serle in company. It's a

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Speaker 2: they did get approval for Nutrius sweet as all and

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Speaker 2: And it started going out into products. But a lot

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Speaker 2: them were complaining out of fear and misattribution of ingesting

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Speaker 2: they're mis attributing the cancer that somebody got after they

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Speaker 2: it was called Nutris Suite at the time. It was

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Speaker 3: But I mean, as we talk about a lot in

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Speaker 3: our AstroTurf episode of recent time, it's really tough to

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Speaker 2: Yes, And reminder that those reports have been coming since

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Speaker 2: the late seventies early nineteen eighties. So then you, guys,

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Speaker 4: Hey, they have some sort of fund, some sort of

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Speaker 4: post grad experiment regimen which tends to indicate the preconceived

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it reminds me a lot too of the kinds

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Speaker 3: saying that's always what's happening, but anytime that a company

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Speaker 2: it's not neutral sweet anymore. It's a aspertam is in

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Speaker 3: Was it an escalation when it was made available as

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Speaker 4: But I don't know it came in terms of order

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Speaker 4: now we have created brand familiarity. Right now, Coca Cola,

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Speaker 4: diet Coca cola or whatever with aspartame is a cameo

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Speaker 4: right from one of your earlier friends. Now it's not

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Speaker 4: just a crazy chemical. It's a collab no, right, right,

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Speaker 4: that's what I'm saying now, it's a collaboration.

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Speaker 2: So exactly, speaking of collaboration, I'm going to give you

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Speaker 2: the conspiracy at the heart of the original video. I'm

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Speaker 2: The theory is that the FDA, the CDC, and several

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Speaker 3: That's all I'm saying relevant, But geez man, these machinations

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Speaker 3: And we're back with another piece of strange news. This

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Speaker 3: predicted this has been way back in I believe the eighties.

435
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Speaker 3: There is a I believe Kevin Neelan was the host

436
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 3: of sort of the fake News Show on SNL and

437
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 3: there is a segment on that about the drug Olympics.

438
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 3: Essentially an Olympics where any drug you could imagine is

439
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 3: fair game. So to answer your question, Ben, is this

440
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,880
Speaker 3: happening in theory, there is a fellow by the name

441
00:25:55,920 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 3: of Aaron Desuza aka mister A, who you may have

442
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 3: mainly heard associated with the collapse of Gawker Media by

443
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 3: billionaire Peter Diel, who essentially you know, along with mister

444
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 3: A or Aaron Desusa, toppled this news organization through a

445
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,919
Speaker 3: series of lawsuits. I think the real kicker was the

446
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 3: one involving invasion of privacy and Hulkgan and a sex

447
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 3: tape and all that. So this guy, serious legal powerhouse,

448
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 3: is an Australian citizen and the whole legal strategy behind

449
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 3: the Gawker annihilation was his idea by all accounts. Now

450
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 3: he is coming forward with this idea to start what

451
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 3: he is referring to as the Enhanced Olympics Enhanced Games.

452
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 3: In an Australian Associated Press article they referred to as

453
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 3: an audacious plan for sporting event without drug testing. And

454
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 3: in this guy Desusa wants to stage the first one

455
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 3: of these next year, and he's thinking about it in

456
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 3: a really interesting way. He is by a lot of

457
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 3: the detractors of this say, well, this isn't sports, this

458
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 3: is spectacle, and I would agree, but also what is

459
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 3: sports if not in its own right its own kind

460
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 3: of spectacle? And at what point do the two things,

461
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 3: you know, combine. I mean, the purists who are sporting

462
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 3: fans would argue that it's about, you know, pushing the

463
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 3: boundaries of the human form, you know, pushing the boundaries

464
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 3: of human ingenuity and perseverance and physicality or whatever. But

465
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 3: we also know throughout history people have been caught for

466
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 3: using these kinds of performance enhancing drugs. I saw a

467
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 3: really fascinating list of I believe the one hundred meter

468
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 3: dash in the Olympics, and the fastest time was by

469
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 3: Hussein Bolt in Berlin, the Berlin Olympics. The year is

470
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 3: escaping me at this exact moment, but almost every other

471
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 3: entry that were slightly slower than Hussein by like a

472
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 3: few milliseconds, had either been accused of or actually convicted

473
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 3: of whatever the term might be, you know, caught for

474
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 3: some form of performance enhancement. The interesting part of this

475
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 3: whole conversation is that the number one guy clean, completely clean.

476
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 3: So the question then becomes, if everyone is able to

477
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 3: use performance enhancing drugs, is it just kind of changing

478
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 3: the playing field and re leveling it and putting everyone

479
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 3: on an even playing field. And to Desus's point, he's like, well,

480
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 3: there's an interesting aspect of that too, because somebody could

481
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,479
Speaker 3: enter the competition and say I'm coming in clean and

482
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 3: I'm better than all of you mofos that are you know,

483
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 3: blood doping and and you know, juice in or whatever,

484
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 3: and then therefore it becomes this like almost man versus

485
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 3: a machine kind of kind of spectacle, you know, like

486
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 3: to the point of some of the folks that are

487
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 3: criticizing this, I don't know. He basically says, it's a

488
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 3: good television. This is what this is what De Susan says.

489
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 3: But also he has a real fulllosophy behind this, and

490
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 3: some of it is very interesting. There is a section

491
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 3: on this website or the website for this I guess

492
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 3: initiative called enhance dot org h and it is a

493
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 3: section called Inclusive Language, Language Matters. I'm going to read

494
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 3: straight from it. The use of enhanced and doping can

495
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 3: vary between different groups and generations. For some people, especially

496
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 3: those entrenched in an antiquated way of thinking, words like

497
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 3: enhance and doping have negative connotations because of their historical

498
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 3: use as discriminatory terms. These terms have been reclaimed in

499
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 3: recent years and are becoming increasingly used, particularly by younger

500
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 3: athletes as an empowering way of describing oneself. There's then

501
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 3: a section I'm going to read this and then we'll

502
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 3: move on on the colonialist origins of doping steeped in

503
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 3: racial prejudice. Doping and its variations are harmful words wielded

504
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 3: by sports federations to keep athletes from embracing science. The

505
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 3: term originates from the colonialist Dutch forces description of the

506
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 3: performance inhance svents used by the defending West African tribes.

507
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 3: The word was soon used to describe the medical enhancements

508
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 3: given to horses before being weaponized against the black population

509
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 3: in the nineteen eighties War on Drugs. So I guess

510
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 3: the term doping was really used more as like this

511
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 3: enhancement kind of thing from the Dutch origins, before it

512
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 3: was referring to dope fiends and dope addicts.

513
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 4: No, who's that author again, who's that journalist?

514
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 3: Yeah? Well, this is from the website of enhanced dot

515
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,479
Speaker 3: org is where I'm reading this, So it's not cited.

516
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 3: That's my point. I don't know exactly. I can't cross

517
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 3: reference all of this stuff specifically. I actually my point

518
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 3: I think is that some of this is a little murky,

519
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 3: But let's get through this and then we can talk

520
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 3: about it. Doping is a colonialist slur that reeks of

521
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 3: symbolic and historic violence against both the black and enhanced

522
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 3: populations and needs to be removed from our vocabulary.

523
00:30:55,920 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 2: Wow, well, but they sell shirts and stuff that say enhance.

524
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 2: I guess to reclaim it, that's the idea, and make

525
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 2: a profit.

526
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 3: I mean, the idea of reclaiming a slur is a

527
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 3: little that's you know, that to me belongs to words

528
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 3: like in the LGBTQ community, like you know, the Q word,

529
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 3: and like the N word, you know, and in the

530
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 3: black community. Those are words that those communities are allowed

531
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 3: to use to describe themselves, and they can do so

532
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 3: with however they see fit, but it is not for

533
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 3: others to use. Then it becomes a term of abuse.

534
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 3: That to me is what reclaiming means. This to me

535
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 3: is a little frivolous when you try to lump this

536
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 3: argument in with those arguments. But maybe not, and I'm

537
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 3: not familiar. Maybe Ben and Matt, maybe you're more familiar

538
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 3: with this colonialist origin of the term doping, but I

539
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 3: am not. To me, it seems a little propagandistic the

540
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 3: way this is sort of being spelled out here.

541
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tough because this movement, as you said, is

542
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 2: latching on to something that is actually happen where there

543
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 2: is reclaiming right and empowerment occurring. It's it's strange in

544
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 2: my opinion, to attach all of those things to the

545
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 2: choice to take you know, certain substances or not and

546
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 2: spinning it as science, you know, enhancement through science, which

547
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 2: it is in some way, but at the same time

548
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 2: it's going against the rules of a lot of you know,

549
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 2: these large sporting organizations. They agreed upon rules. So it's

550
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe I'm completely wrong, but it feels

551
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 2: like I agree with you. I don't know, it just

552
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 2: feels weird to me.

553
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 4: I can posit an answer for you. Met to Nole's

554
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 4: earlier question about the etymology of the phrase doping. Nol,

555
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 4: You're you're on the right track when you mentioned the

556
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 4: idea of the Dutch because during Dutch colonialism there was

557
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 4: a specific tribe that had a beverage consumed and really

558
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 4: just ceremonies as a stimulant. This was called by the colonists,

559
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 4: the colonizers. This was called dop, dop, and a lot

560
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 4: of times, you know, every time you get to the

561
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 4: origin stories of etymology and the origin stories of specific words,

562
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 4: you arrive at anecdotes, you arrive at murky gases. Right,

563
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 4: And so the origin of the word doping is still

564
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 4: under intense discussion. It sounds as though the sources you

565
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 4: are quoting are objecting to the use of the terminology

566
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 4: more so than the physical activity itself. However, for everybody

567
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 4: wants to be fun at parties, playing along at home,

568
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 4: doping does appear to have entered at some point the

569
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 4: English vernacular descended from colonial observations of religious practices of

570
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 4: earlier communities.

571
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then the question becomes like, I mean sure

572
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 3: that this is someone that these colonialist forces are looking

573
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 3: at as a problem, someone they are seeing as another

574
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,800
Speaker 3: who they want to quash. So therefore the term inherently

575
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 3: has a negative connotation, and they probably are using this

576
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 3: as some sort of like way of maligning these religious practices,

577
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 3: are saying that they're like heathens or something like that.

578
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 3: So perhaps the origins of the word yeah problematic. It

579
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 3: would seem this is news to me, and this is

580
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 3: very very interesting, and I would love to look more

581
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 3: into this. But no, to your point, Ben, it would

582
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 3: appear not only are they more concerned with the use

583
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,919
Speaker 3: of the word itself than the activity, they are very

584
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 3: pro the activity that they are saying that these athletes

585
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 3: are grown up. They should be able to put whatever

586
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 3: they want into their body, my body, my choice, and

587
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 3: all of that. And their main issue with this enhanced

588
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 3: movement is that the heads of the these sporting organizations

589
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 3: for example, specifically they're referring to the Olympic National Committee,

590
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 3: are very wealthy, receive all kinds of payouts and bonuses

591
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 3: and what have you, but that to be even a

592
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 3: gold medal winning Olympic athlete often comes not only at

593
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 3: a price to your life because you just have to

594
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 3: be so focused in borderline obsessed, if not just fully obsessed,

595
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 3: that a lot of these folks end up not wealthy

596
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 3: at all, even despite you know, working their entire lives

597
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 3: to reach this point and get these accolades. You know,

598
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 3: there's a lot of stories on the side of like

599
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 3: folks who have competed in Olympic competitions and have ended

600
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,959
Speaker 3: up like living out of their cars and stuff like that. Again,

601
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 3: there's definitely a bit of a perspective here, no question

602
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 3: about it. But the idea is that to level the

603
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 3: playing field and wipe away the rules that they would

604
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 3: argue this elite group have made is nothing but a

605
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 3: good thing. You are the enhanced movement. Together, we can

606
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 3: fix sports and defeat the corrupt International Olympic Committee. Is

607
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 3: sort of the catch phrase, you know, at the very

608
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 3: bottom of this website that's on every single page. So

609
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's fascinating. It truly is, you know,

610
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 3: I just stop exploitation. As a section on it that

611
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 3: says here, the president of the International Olympic Committee dines

612
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 3: with billionaires and dictators, jets around the world, and lives

613
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 3: in a luxurious six star hotel while American Olympians are

614
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 3: not even given a salary. There's truth to a lot

615
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 3: of this. What it has to do with performance enhancing drugs,

616
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,720
Speaker 3: I don't quite see the connection, but maybe I'm missing something.

617
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. I don't want to be cynical.

618
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 2: It feels like a way to start on a huge

619
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 2: event that you could have.

620
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 3: That's what it is.

621
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Speaker 2: You know, every year, every couple of years, and theoretically,

622
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 2: like the Olympic Committee make tons untils some money on.

623
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 3: It seems like someone has an act to grind against

624
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 3: the Olympic Committee too, and they're trying to come out

625
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 3: and you know, make them less relevant. But then there

626
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 3: was an article that I read, I believe it was

627
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 3: in the Telegraph that pointed out, if everyone's taking the

628
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 3: same performance enhancing drugs is that it's not cheating anymore,

629
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 3: and so it sort of misses the point, you know,

630
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 3: like if people are doping in the now, I'm starting

631
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 3: to feel weird about using the term. If people are

632
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 3: taking these performance enhancing drugs or using these performance and

633
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,879
Speaker 3: enhancing treatments and they're doing it secretly in the hopes

634
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 3: of not being caught, then that's cheating because that's against

635
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 3: the rules. But I still come back to this idea

636
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 3: of Hussain Bolt getting that best time in one hundred

637
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 3: meter and testing completely clean, and almost every other entrant

638
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 3: in the top ten of that event throughout history has

639
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 3: had some accusations of performance enhancement levied against them, if

640
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 3: not outright proven. So this that just goes to show that, like,

641
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 3: you don't have to do this to actually be the best.

642
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 3: And I think the idea of someone openly entering this

643
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 3: event and saying, no, I am coming in on my

644
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 3: own steam and I'm not taking any of this, Like

645
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 3: does that person give special special considerations or their handicaps like,

646
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 3: you know, like there isn't gulf like I just it's

647
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 3: fascinating and it really is been you nailed it in

648
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 3: that Harmontown chat. It does start to feel a little

649
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Speaker 3: bit more like a weird kind of you know, free

650
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Speaker 3: for all future event that is a little ichy. Maybe,

651
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Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm not a huge fan of the

652
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Speaker 3: Olympics either. You know, people stake their lives on that

653
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Speaker 3: stuff and then get injured horribly and then can't do

654
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Speaker 3: anything else because that's all they've They spent their whole lives,

655
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 3: you know, figuring out how to be the best person

656
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 3: that can jump the highest or the farthest or run

657
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Speaker 3: the fastest. And then when when that dream dies and

658
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 3: doesn't really provide for you or your family for the

659
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 3: rest of your life, where what are you left with?

660
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Speaker 3: Something think about? No, no, you guys have anything to add.

661
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 3: And I think probably spend enough time on this.

662
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Speaker 2: One part man, part robot, all Russian. I think that's

663
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Speaker 2: what was stated. Shout out to Spencer Crittenden, who was

664
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Speaker 2: the one who said we got to remove that ben

665
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 2: and you called it the genetically altered Olympics.

666
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Speaker 4: By the way, well you got to cover bases. Uh, yeah,

667
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 4: we're going look is a part uh part man, part truck.

668
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was all Russian.

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Speaker 4: We'll get there, We'll get there.

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Speaker 3: All right. We'll take a quick break. I have a

671
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Speaker 3: word from our sponsor, hopefully not the International Olympic Committee,

672
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Speaker 3: and then we'll be back with more strange news.

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Speaker 4: Check out our episode, by the way, or our earlier

674
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Speaker 4: conversations about the IOC, not to be confused with the AOC,

675
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Speaker 4: very different things. Have you guys ever heard about solar

676
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Speaker 4: radiation modification?

677
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Speaker 3: Yes? No, but you know, I like a good rhyme,

678
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 3: so I'm all in.

679
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,439
Speaker 4: I'm always kind of freestyling.

680
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Speaker 3: Matt.

681
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Speaker 4: You said you heard of it. Do you mean things

682
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 4: like sunscreen?

683
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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, that's what I'm talking about, stuff that'll protect

684
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Speaker 2: an individual skin from solar radiation.

685
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Speaker 4: No, no, until you check out our episode on sunscreen.

686
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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, oh god, we're here for you, folks. So

687
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 4: this evening real quick. Wanted to give you some strange news,

688
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 4: fellow conspiracy realists. Something that will mean a great deal

689
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Speaker 4: to entities like me and you and everybody else who

690
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Speaker 4: thinks the Sun is getting a little big for its

691
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Speaker 4: breeches these days on planet Earth. Before I say anything

692
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Speaker 4: about this story, I should outline the following axioms. One,

693
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Speaker 4: the Sun is the only reason life on Earth exists.

694
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Speaker 4: This brilliant, crazy star feeds the vast majority of ecosysms

695
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Speaker 4: on this planet. There are a couple of exceptions, like

696
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Speaker 4: deep sea vents, right, But those ecosystems, if you think

697
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 4: about it, also depend on the Sun. Maybe not for

698
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 4: the energy it provides as it burns so much as

699
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Speaker 4: for the gravitational attraction it exerts on the planet. A

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Speaker 4: living Earth produces ecosystems, and the Sun is the reason

701
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Speaker 4: that Earth is around. But if we are being honest,

702
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Speaker 4: the Sun's a real pain in the ass. And I

703
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Speaker 4: wanted to bring this story to us, to all of

704
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Speaker 4: us listening along tonight, because a long long time ago, Matt,

705
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Speaker 4: you and I were talking about how influential the Matrix

706
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Speaker 4: trilogy was. I think we were talking about this before

707
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 4: the third film dropped. And there's this moment in the

708
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Speaker 4: lore in the universe of the Matrix where the powers

709
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 4: that be are at war with what they call AI

710
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 4: or thinking machines however you prefer it. And as a result,

711
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 4: they know that these thinking machines are solar powered, they

712
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Speaker 4: decide to block out the sun. Matt what happens?

713
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Speaker 2: Oh? Just everything's it works?

714
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 3: You know?

715
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Speaker 4: And you remember this, right, Yeah, famous Buddy comedy of

716
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 4: the Matrix.

717
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, loved it, loved it. Yeah, there's a talking raccoon

718
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 3: at some point, I believe as well.

719
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Speaker 4: Right, you know what, Let's see what uh matrix for

720
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Speaker 4: brings us? I thought of everyone who everyone tuning in

721
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 4: tonight who is also not a day walker? When I

722
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Speaker 4: read something quite interesting from the United States presidential administration.

723
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Speaker 4: They have quite recently as of let's see, we're recording

724
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Speaker 4: on a Wednesday. It's July fifth, Happy birthday to my

725
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 4: old man. We are recording just days after the US

726
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 4: released a report about how they're trying to get a

727
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Speaker 4: handle on global warming, and kid you not, one of

728
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Speaker 4: the ideas is something called solar radiation modification. Why don't

729
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Speaker 4: we just block out the fucking sun. I heard a

730
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Speaker 4: weird echo on my end when I said that, Do

731
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Speaker 4: you guys hear any reverb?

732
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Speaker 3: I think it was the Sun being irritated and plotting

733
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Speaker 3: against you. Yeah.

734
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Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of people do. But the White House

735
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Speaker 4: has released this statement, and it comes from the Biden administration,

736
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Speaker 4: and they're studying with good faith the idea that altering

737
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 4: sunlight might help cool the planet at a faster pace

738
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Speaker 4: than would happen with the current attempts to mitigate global warming.

739
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Speaker 4: So the current attempts include things like reducing fossil fuel emissions, right,

740
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Speaker 4: that's one of the big ones, reducing the use of

741
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Speaker 4: machinery that can propagate fossil fuel emissions. This idea is

742
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 4: something totally different. It's saying, let's remove some portion of

743
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Speaker 4: the Sun's energy that reaches Earth's atmosphere. I don't know

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Speaker 4: how you would do it. And first, you know, we

745
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Speaker 4: have to ask, are they saying build a gigantic umbrella

746
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Speaker 4: between the Earth and the Sun. I don't think it's that.

747
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Speaker 4: They're trying to get the boffins of the world to

748
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Speaker 4: figure out a way to filter certain radiation coming from

749
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Speaker 4: the closest star. I don't know. I mean, does this

750
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Speaker 4: sound crazy?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds pretty crazy to me. I'm looking at

752
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Speaker 2: the research plan now, Ben. The White House put out,

753
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Speaker 2: just trying to wrap my head around it, Like, what

754
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Speaker 2: are they actually talking about?

755
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you'll want to go to page twenty four, Section

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Speaker 4: B Development of Scenarios for solar radiation modification.

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Speaker 3: I mean, are we talking some kind of filter? Are

758
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 3: there was there more than one way of doing this?

759
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 3: Like one thing to say block out the sun and

760
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 3: people immediately picture apocalyptic, you know, being plunged into permanent

761
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Speaker 3: darkness or whatever like that. But you would think, I mean,

762
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Speaker 3: isn't technically that with the ozone layer? Is there to

763
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Speaker 3: do the fact that there's a hole in the thing

764
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Speaker 3: sort of not doing its job so well anymore? So

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Speaker 3: why not focus more on fixing the hole in the

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Speaker 3: ozone layer or having some sort of deflector filter thing

767
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Speaker 3: that would have to be obviously massively huge. And I'm

768
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Speaker 3: no space scientists here, but it seems like it would

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Speaker 3: be a difficult thing logistically to accomplish. Maybe I'm sorry

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00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 3: if I missed it, Ben, Are there alternative ways that

771
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 3: are being proposed to someone come out and said, we've

772
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Speaker 3: got the solution, We've got the fix.

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Speaker 4: You've nailed some of the pertinent issues there, Noel, one

774
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Speaker 4: of which is the idea of a filter with uncharacteristic happiness.

775
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Speaker 4: Fellow conspiracy realists, we can report the ozone hole over

776
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 4: the South Pole has actually shrunk considerably in recent times.

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Speaker 4: It's good news for the rest of the world. In

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Speaker 4: terms of a filter, yes, how could you deploy a filter?

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00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 4: One idea is to multiply the amount of specific aerosol

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Speaker 4: disperses in the stratosphere, the idea being kind of like

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Speaker 4: cloud out seating facing out. If we can create the

782
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Speaker 4: right mix of substances and put them at the right

783
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Speaker 4: level of the atmosphere, then the idea is that these

784
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Speaker 4: substances may be able to somehow bounce back the bad

785
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 4: stuff from the Sun while allowing the good stuff in

786
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Speaker 4: to create essentially another filter on the atmosphere. Of course,

787
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Speaker 4: this sounds a little expensive, you might say, And this

788
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 4: is untrod ground, this is untrod air. Rather, no one

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Speaker 4: knows what will happen when you do this sort of stuff,

790
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 4: and science fiction, if it's good, is only fiction. For

791
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Speaker 4: a minute, we remember the lessons of the matrix. This,

792
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Speaker 4: this idea of modifying the amount of solar radiation that

793
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Speaker 4: reaches Earth reaches passed some part of the atmosphere onto

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00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 4: the ground and onto the life forms living there. It

795
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 4: feels dangerous. It feels like we're messing with something we

796
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 4: can't understand. But again, at the top of this strange

797
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 4: news segment, we already talked a little bit about how

798
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Speaker 4: the heat is rising, you know what I mean, Like,

799
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 4: these are the hottest days in recorded history. In desperation,

800
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 4: people find innovation, and sometimes in desperation people go to extremes.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, like, could this work? What will we do?

802
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 2: Sorry, I remember this. I don't know, Ben, I don't

803
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Speaker 2: know the answer to that question. I don't know what

804
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Speaker 2: we would do. We made an episode in twenty twenty

805
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 2: about stratospheric aerosol injections. Yeah, dude, that's what this plan

806
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 2: was back in twenty twenty, and they were talking about it.

807
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,760
Speaker 2: It's nuts to me that we're now in twenty twenty

808
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 2: three and the White House is saying, yeah, guys, we

809
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 2: need a plan, Like, how.

810
00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 3: Are we going to do this?

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Speaker 2: When can we do it? Let's go that's crazy.

812
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 4: That's just such a roll of the dice moment, right,

813
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 4: you know, one of the world's most dangerous governments is saying,

814
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 4: I don't know, you know, we sprayed some stuff up

815
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 4: there why not spray more stuff up there? Roll the

816
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 4: dice home of Las Vegas. Baby, So what what happens?

817
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 4: They're very cautious about this. The big, the big strange

818
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 4: news is that the official executive branch of the US

819
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Speaker 4: is releasing this in any sort of serious form. We

820
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 4: can see the caveats of plenty from far away. No, Matt,

821
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Speaker 4: We're uh, we're raising already very salient points. You know,

822
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 4: climate change is going to lead to very bad things

823
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Speaker 4: that we have. We have cited previously. However, what would

824
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:02,240
Speaker 4: you do if you if you found an aerosol that could, say,

825
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 4: reduce the amount of harmful heat getting through to the

826
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Speaker 4: world without hurting vulnerable life forms and crops and so on.

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Speaker 4: This wouldn't fix air pollution from fossil fuels, It wouldn't

828
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Speaker 4: fix ocean acidification. It would just turn the lights down

829
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 4: a little bit, right, with unknown consequences. I don't think

830
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Speaker 4: it's gonna happen.

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Speaker 2: It's so nuts. I'm gonna give you. This is not

832
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 2: an analogy. This is just a comparison that's happening in

833
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 2: my head when I'm thinking about this. Yeah, it's like

834
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Speaker 2: humanity's got a house right and attached to that house

835
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Speaker 2: is a garage, and we invented this thing called a car,

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Speaker 2: and we parked it in the garage and we turned

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Speaker 2: on the engine and the smoke is just, you know,

838
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:52,919
Speaker 2: kind of filling up the house and we're like, man,

839
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Speaker 2: that's weird. It's getting warm and here it's kind of

840
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 2: hard to breathe. That's kind of strange. Why I've really

841
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 2: liked the car though, So I guess let's just put

842
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 2: a filter on on the front of the door. We

843
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 2: can't close the garage door because there's no door there.

844
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Speaker 2: Let's just let's just put a filter system, or maybe

845
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Speaker 2: let's spray some more stuff in the air to make it,

846
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Speaker 2: you know, less bad. We like the car too much.

847
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Speaker 2: It's just too good.

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Speaker 4: That's the one, right, we like our like, that's that's

849
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 4: the thing. I love that you point that out. I

850
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 4: think that's brilliant because it's kind of like the United

851
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 4: States saying, well, we're not going to change ourselves, we

852
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 4: should change the galaxy. You know what I mean? Is

853
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 4: it us who's wrong? No, it's the solar system. So like,

854
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 4: let's focus on that. Also. You might you might be

855
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 4: tickled to find folks that the European Parliament and the

856
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 4: European Council. The EU basically said that they're down to clown.

857
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 4: They said, we can discuss internationally how human beings can

858
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 4: limit heating from the Sun. You can write to the

859
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Speaker 4: White House Press Office and you can, like me, not

860
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:15,439
Speaker 4: get a direct response on this, because I imagine they're

861
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 4: sort of busy. I don't know, you know, there's also

862
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 4: the valid criticism where someone would say, hey, wealth inequality

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Speaker 4: is spiking, people are in desperate times on the ground,

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Speaker 4: What is your weird sci fi plan about blocking the

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Speaker 4: sun do to help them in the next two weeks?

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Speaker 4: You know, I think that's always a valid question. It

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Speaker 4: reminds me a little bit of the excellent Mister Show

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Speaker 4: sketch where they decide to blow up the moon because

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Speaker 4: like as a flex science is there?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly how weird is that this is happening as

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Speaker 2: AI seems to be emerging, like actual AI seems to

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Speaker 2: be emerging over the next twenty years or whatever, while

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Speaker 2: the humans are attempting to maybe block out the Sun

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Speaker 2: a little bit. That's a little weird.

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Speaker 4: I thought you would like it, Come on, I thought

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Speaker 4: you like the matrix that was for you.

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Speaker 2: So it's not supposed to be real life, supposed to

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Speaker 2: be fantasy.

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Speaker 4: Well, we're going to call the Wachowskis and ask them

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Speaker 4: about this. Also, while this is accelerating, I want to

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Speaker 4: give a couple of statements from an Energy Department veteran

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Speaker 4: Suchi Tlati, was an official of the Energy Department DOE

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Speaker 4: under the Biden administration and is now the executive director

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Speaker 4: of something called You'll love this, guys, the Alliance for

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Speaker 4: just Deliberation on solar geoengineering.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the writers go on strike and this is

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Speaker 2: what we get.

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Speaker 3: Just maybe you want to watch the mister show sketch again.

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Speaker 3: That's for sure. It's a brilliant piece of writing. Like

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Speaker 3: it might be a while before we get any new

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Speaker 3: brilliant pieces of writing. Solidarity with the writers, by the.

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Speaker 4: Way, agreed, agreed, And solidarity with people who are pushing

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Speaker 4: beyond the bounds of conventional human physique in these unhinged

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Speaker 4: olympics on the way. Solidarity with everyone who has wanted

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Speaker 4: a diet coke and has thought about the bigger picture.

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Speaker 4: And also, you know what, solidarity with the boffins, with

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Speaker 4: solidarity with the nerds, everybody who is working on honest

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Speaker 4: rigorous research that is often used. That is often used

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Speaker 4: to make a big headline. I'd like to end with

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Speaker 4: the headline of the week, speaking of that found this

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