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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Sanny and Samantha and welcome to stuff.

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Speaker 1: And I never told your prediction by her radio.

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Speaker 2: And for this month's book Club of October, we are

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Speaker 2: coming in with a horror fiction for our spooky time

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Speaker 2: of the month. I feel like, yeah, and of the

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Speaker 2: year whatever, all the years, all the months, this season,

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Speaker 2: it's just spooky right. This is written by Malaysian author

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Speaker 2: Cassandra Ka and the title is nothing but Blackened Teeth,

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Speaker 2: which I know is a very strong Asian folklore. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if it's Japanese alone, because I've definitely seen

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Speaker 2: Korean versions of this, Chinese versions of this, Filipino versions

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Speaker 2: of this, so like obviously, but like this is set

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Speaker 2: in Japan. Just an FYI, have you heard of this before?

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Speaker 2: We talked about this legend before.

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Speaker 1: We did talk about this legend before. It was a

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Speaker 1: long time ago, though.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you come back and visit some of these legends.

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Speaker 2: And just a quick reminder, yes, this was released in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, So spoilers ahead because we're going to

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Speaker 2: talk everything about it. Because this is a very short book.

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Speaker 2: So if you want to take a second, take a

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Speaker 2: couple hours, read pause here and come back. So This

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Speaker 2: book was released in twenty twenty one, and a lot

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Speaker 2: of professionals praise this book. We got like Stephen King

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Speaker 2: and so many others. But I will say there seems

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Speaker 2: comes to like peer reviews, and I think it has

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Speaker 2: something to do with it being a novella. What do

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Speaker 1: I think it's that, and I think it's also and

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about this. I really enjoyed it, but the

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Speaker 1: ending is quite abrupt, at least that's how I felt like.

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Speaker 1: It was like, oh, Okay, that's the end. And you know,

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Speaker 1: you know a lot of people really like a good Yeah,

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Speaker 1: here's the ending, it's closed, and this was sort of, hey,

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Speaker 1: what I That's what I'll say. I would also say

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Speaker 1: which I understand. But I think I had a lot

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Speaker 1: of horrors like that where you're kind of a little

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Speaker 1: it's meant to be a little confusing or unsorrying, or

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Speaker 1: you don't know for sure what's happening or what's reality.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right, and we're gonna we're gonna

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Speaker 2: give a review at the end of the book. And

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Speaker 2: it is a lot, but it is very short. It

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Speaker 2: is very short novella. The writer herself is not new

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Speaker 2: to this horror life. She has several several books that

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Speaker 2: I think there were like several narrative driven horror that

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Speaker 2: just so you know. But yes, so this is a

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Speaker 2: novella that puts a lot in a very small book,

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Speaker 2: very few amount of pages. So let's go ahead and

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Speaker 2: jump into it. So we meet the main protagonist, Kat, who,

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Speaker 2: along with several high school friends, come together to see

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Speaker 2: the e littlement of Talia and FaZe at a haunted

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Speaker 2: whose dream has been to get married in a haunted place.

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Speaker 2: And I feel like Japan is appropriate because it's scarce

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Speaker 1: Yes, it also made me laugh when I read that,

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Speaker 2: Is your dream to go get married?

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Speaker 1: But I just think that's a I can see people

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Speaker 2: Well, let's do this. The four have come together through

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Speaker 2: some tumultuous times. They all were involved together somehow very

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Speaker 2: intustuous group. Cat dated Phase in a high school but

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Speaker 2: had relations with both Kat and Talia, and at one

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Speaker 2: Yeah for sure, just saying later, Lynn joins the party.

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Speaker 2: tell one hundred scary stories and blow out a candle

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Speaker 2: but she runs and Faz and Philip follow behind. Lynn

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Speaker 2: And all the while they wait and suddenly Talia pops

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Speaker 2: Philip was supposed to getting them married. I can't tell

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Speaker 1: I thought he was pretending to be a priest. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that felt a little like your ears over selling this

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Speaker 2: Too much, a little too death does protest too much.

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Speaker 2: to parents, to everyone. They drank too much. The house

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Speaker 2: So what was your review of this book.

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Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it. It wasn't at all what I

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Speaker 1: was interesting, and the imagery was very I thought, very disturbing.

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Speaker 2: I enjoyed it. I think it's very short. It is

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Speaker 2: but like is this real? Isn't real? Is she seeing

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Speaker 2: structure of the house was interesting. The Japanese conversations that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, this wedding situation, you imported cheeses?

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Speaker 2: But then also like yes, the obvious distand between Talia

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Speaker 1: Usually in a nice like finery or something. Yeah, which

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Speaker 2: It is. The book is really like the cover is

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Speaker 2: a few, Like, she's done a few of these things.

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Speaker 2: So genre, this genre is up her ally, it's her thing.

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Speaker 2: Would be interested that she's got several other books. So

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Speaker 2: even though she had already written several books beforehand that

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Speaker 2: also was nominated. I think she actually won for Best

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Speaker 2: Fiction Collection for Breakable Things that just released a couple

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Speaker 2: of years ago. So we should add some of those

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Speaker 1: We should, we should, And I read a lot of

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Speaker 1: reviews that did say this is very reminiscent of us

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Speaker 1: if that's your thing, I highly recommend it. It's very

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Speaker 1: it is very short. It's like a creepy haunted house story.

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Speaker 1: If you're looking for it that this is for you. Yeah, yes,

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