WEBVTT - Holiday Special: Ready to Rock & Roll? 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:07.560 The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:07.600 --> 0:00:18.960 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys, 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:22.360 screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:37.080 Star in Frisco. Saw Let's go Today, Star Theory, Merry 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:41.960 Christmas Eve, everybody. It's a brand new edition of Dallas 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:47.120 Cowboys dot Com podcast. It's not Talking Cowboys presented by Geico. Instead, 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:50.840 We've got ourselves an all star crew. We've got Nate Newton, 0:00:51.360 --> 0:00:55.080 Barry Church, and we've got a special guest, Jesse Holly. 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:56.680 It's the first time I've gotten to work with Jesse 0:00:56.840 --> 0:00:59.840 Holly on a podcast before. So an all star crew. 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:03.200 Three guys out of the four have played significant time 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:05.000 for the Dallas Cowboys, and I let all of you 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:07.600 guys at home decipher who is the odd man out 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:12.040 in that scenario. Just driving the bus today and and 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:14.400 just happy to be along with you guys. I mean, 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:18.280 I love working with Barry and Nate on pregame Live 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:21.319 and on everything that we've been on through Dallas Cowboys 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:23.640 dot Com. And you know, Jesse, it's been a it's 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:25.760 been a long time coming, you and I getting to 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:27.840 be on a podcast together. But I know you're you're 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:30.160 ready to rock and roll with your I've been good 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:33.399 Santa Hat rolling in that that bottom left hand corner. 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:36.040 How you been. I'm good man, I'm excited to be 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:38.520 You're right. Like I played with Barry, I work with Nate. 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:41.399 I've never worked with two. So I think this is finally, 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:44.200 you know, the stars aligning for us to work together. 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:46.000 Now we got to make it a good one or 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:48.840 you know, the bosses will see this and go Jesse, 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:55.160 you and Kyle no longer will be a part of that. Yeah, 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:58.600 Nate knows how that goes. He we worked together one 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:00.480 time and he went back up to the boss. He's like, 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:02.920 I don't think I should work with Kyle anymore. I 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:09.200 heard anyway. Anyways, name you never said that they will 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:12.280 throw you under the bus, though, be careful. Maybe he 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:15.200 will throw you under a big eighteen wheel of bus. 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:21.160 Is this true? The most Yeah? I tell you like 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:26.520 this here man, Uh, I know now that it's been 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:31.560 a pleasure working with you, Jesse, because we had the 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:39.040 big church to get on with us. Man's that's that's 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:43.840 going down out here. Huh Look church, boom boom boom. 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:46.760 He throw you under that bus early in the morning. Bad. 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:49.639 I'm just all under the tire tread right now. It's 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:54.359 all good, that's awesome. I'm upset because I'm the only 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:57.160 one on the entire show that one hasn't played for 0:02:57.240 --> 0:03:00.560 the Cowboys and two doesn't have a nice hat to 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:03.040 go along with it. So I'm kind of here. But 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:08.720 that's okay. Everybody's looking great and we're ready. Cowboys. You 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:11.120 played for the Cowboys, because all you gotta do is 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:13.839 say I believe the Cowboys. They're doing nothing. You're doing nothing. 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:20.440 So so so that's the earlier gonna get into early 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:24.680 in this show. I like. I like that, oh man. 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:28.840 So let's let's get started talking about a storyline that 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:31.760 kind of popped up yesterday. And this is something that 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:35.400 we didn't really anticipate popping up, and it happened early 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:37.240 in the morning. And I know you guys would probably 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:40.480 hit on it at least a little bit throughout your 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:45.520 shows yesterday. But Kellen Moore, offensive coordinator and of course 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:47.920 the young boy genius, I know it's like you guys 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:50.160 like to call it on hanging with the Boys previously, 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:53.160 but of course, in his second year as the Cowboys 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:57.440 offensive coordinator now being considered or at least rumored around 0:03:57.520 --> 0:04:01.600 the Boise State job. So my question to you is, 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:04.360 if Kellen Moore, who of course is a Boise State 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:07.360 graduate and a legend from the Broncos program up there 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:11.360 in Idaho, if he were to go, would you be 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:13.960 okay with that? Jesse? Do you think that you would 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:17.240 rather see Kellen Moore stay and grow as an offensive coordinator? 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:19.800 Because I don't really think there's any question he would 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:22.520 be back in twenty twenty one if if as long 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:25.560 as he didn't get another job elsewhere. But would you 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:27.920 like to see him back or has he done enough 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:32.839 to say, okay, go off and take that Boise Stage job. Well, 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:37.240 I maybe in the minority because I was never one 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:41.560 who was on the Kellen Moore boy genius bandwagon when 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:45.680 he first got here as the Cowboys OC. So with 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:50.119 that being said, I would be more than elated. In fact, 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:53.720 I have a prayer group that I'm gathering so that 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:56.640 we can get this up to the football guy, so 0:04:56.800 --> 0:05:00.200 that Boise offers him the head coaching job, so he 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:03.800 can go back to his ALBUMA Mata, his historic program 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:07.320 where he's like the all time leading everything at Boise 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:11.520 State and take the head coaching job and just kind 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:13.800 of just go do his thing up there. And now 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:18.479 we can have Freaky Mike do what we called him 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:21.280 to do. We called Freaky Mike to come in here 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:24.680 and be a offensive genius, an offensive play caller. I 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:27.800 for one, have never I've never been on board with 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:32.040 the Kellen Moore as the OC. So I wish him 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:35.520 nothing but the best. I pray for his success, but 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:39.640 I hope that his success takes him to Boise, Idaho, 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:42.320 especially being this this is actually the last year that 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:44.920 he has on his contract, doesn't He doesn't have a 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:47.520 contract for twenty twenty one, So it's kind of like 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:50.400 maybe things are lining up for him to go take 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:55.520 that job at Boise State. So and I think that's 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:59.520 why the rumors are so grounded, Like that's why it's 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:02.040 something that is significant in the fact that it is 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:04.000 the last year of his contract. I think that plays 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:06.840 a big throws a big wrench into this because if 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:08.640 it wasn't the last year of his contract, I feel 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:10.919 like it might get a little bit more tricky. But Barry, 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:13.640 do you feel the same way as there an ounce 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:16.120 of view that says Kella Moore can go ahead and 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:20.520 leave in this Cowboys organization may actually be better for it. Yeah, 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:24.440 I'm one hundred percent behind Holly on this one. I 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:27.680 was never I was never a great like you know, 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:30.520 Kella Moore, He's just boy genius. When you said boy genius, 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:32.119 I was like, whoa hold on, I wait a second. 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:36.200 But I didn't done in that urn, I promise. But 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:38.159 I've never been like a huge fan. I mean, there 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:40.880 was just too many instances this year where it was 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:43.240 just head scratch head scratching calls. I mean, we can 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:45.200 go back to the fourth and inches when we decided 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:47.760 to throw a hitch to Cede Lamb instead of giving 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:49.640 the ball to our ninety million dollars running back. I mean, 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:52.560 it's just a plethora of things that this season hass 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:55.120 has caused me to scratch my head. So for me, 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:58.120 I would love to see Kella Moore get an opportunity 0:06:58.200 --> 0:06:59.960 to be to hit the head guy and boys stay. 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:02.880 I'm hoping that Jerry doesn't throw the bag at him 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:04.800 and say, hey, come on back down here. We need 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:08.400 your your offenses pedigree down here with our offense. But 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:11.320 I hope he goes to Boise State, not for myself, 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:13.000 but mostly for him. I mean, look, this is this 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:14.640 is a stepping stool for him. He can go to 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:18.000 Boise State. I mean this college, that college program is 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:20.240 Taylor made for his offense. Everybody likes to throw the 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:22.600 ball all over the place. They don't play great defense 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:24.800 in the Mountain West. So I think he would thrive 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:27.360 there and then eventually, if he wanted to, he might 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:29.560 be able to get back to the league. But overall, 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:31.400 for me, I hope we don't throw him the bag. 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:33.560 Go ahead and go to Boise State and get a 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:38.200 cracking down there, a big dog. What do you think 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:42.960 you know? When Jason Garrett was in his final year, 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:46.920 Jesse'll tell you all that ever scream was, it's smart, 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:50.440 it's Jason supposed to be. And all the degrees that 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:53.960 he had, why would he go into his final year 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:58.640 letting a puppy call his plays? And he went through 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:02.720 that whole year letting this puppy call his plays, and 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:07.000 it cost him a job. Now we have coach McCarthy 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:10.960 who said I would never give up my play calling duties, duties, 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:13.520 and with one and with one week of putting his 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:16.680 name on the dotted line, he came back and say, 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:20.480 I'll be glad to get Kellen Moore my play calling duties. 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:23.280 And I asked that question then, and I asked that 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:26.560 question now, why did we hire coach McCarthy. Why didn't 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:29.480 we go get a defensive, defensive minded coach if we 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:32.840 wasn't gonna let coach McCarthy call the plays. And I'll 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:36.520 just leave it right there now. And that's a valid 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:40.920 point because whenever Mike McCarthy came in, the first thought was, oh, 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:42.960 I guess Kellen Moore is not calling the plays, right, 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:45.480 I mean, that was what we thought. We thought Mike 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:49.120 McCarthy would call the plays. But I don't know. I'm 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:51.199 kind of interested to see that all three of the 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:53.679 guys are quote unquote in the minority, which I don't 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:55.760 think is really that much of the minority, and the 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:59.640 fact that people would be okay with with Kellen Moore 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:02.480 leaving and taking this Boise State job. The only thing 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:06.640 that I have paused about is the potential change with 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:08.760 so much talent on this offense. I mean, you talk 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:11.679 about the guys that they have in terms of Zeke 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:15.839 and Anamari and Michael and CD that have had some 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:18.840 success under Kellen Moore. I don't know about Zeke. Zeke 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:21.559 might be the one that might benefit from a change, 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:26.079 that offensive coordinator more than anybody. But why would you 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:28.520 make a change like this whenever there has been success 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:33.480 in the past. Do you feel strongly, Isaiah or excuse me, Barry, 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:37.680 that there is an offensive coordinator out there, a veteran 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:41.640 offensive coordinator that could come in and make an immediate impact. Yes, 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:45.160 Mike McCarthy, but you said, Mike McCarthy, Yeah, I mean 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:47.760 ate they had. Yeah, yes, Mike, see, I don't understand 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:54.760 you directed that, Barry, but some things, Kyle. Yes, it 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:59.400 is a veteran offensive coordinator called Mike McCarthy that helped 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:02.920 a young Aaron Rodgers blossom. And then when when, when 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:05.840 the when the when the student became equal or better 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:08.400 than the master they sign him packing. Well, we don't 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:11.400 have nobody's equal to Mike right now. So let's let's 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:14.600 get Dak or whoever they're gonna sign at quarterback. Let's 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:17.080 see he equal the mass, and then we'll get We'll 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:19.960 call kell him back in four years. Are we sure 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:23.719 Mike's this genius? Though? Are we sure Mike's this offensive? Same? 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:30.319 Mike McCarthy right. I think you know, I think he is. 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:34.400 I think, if I said this and I repeat it, 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:39.439 if he can run this team himself, if if if 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:42.640 it wasn't, if it ain't no joint deal, if it's 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:45.320 just like Mike, what do you want and let him 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:48.079 run it? I think he can be. I think when 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:51.679 the players know that everything stops and starts with your head, coach, 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:56.640 I think he can. Because here's my thing, Fellas, what 0:10:56.840 --> 0:10:59.560 did we bring Mike McCarthy here for. If we didn't 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:04.040 bring him him here for his offensive mindset and his 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:08.319 offensive quote unquote genius and his ability to develop quarterbacks 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:12.199 and his ability to get prolific offenses on the football field, 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:15.840 why is he here? If we wanted a stand around coach, 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:18.720 we could have extend. We could have extended Jason Garrett 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:22.199 and brought in another offensive coordinator. You brought him here 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:26.800 simply because of his pedigree as a quarterback developer and 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:30.040 an offensive play caller. That's why you brought him here. 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:33.800 Don't don't That's like don't don't don't bring a chef 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:37.599 in to cook, to cook this five star meal, and 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:39.480 all of a sudden, you say, you know what I want? 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:41.880 Oodles and noodles. Don't don't do that. We're not. We're not. 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:44.080 We're not. We're not trying to make oodles and noodles anymore. 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:46.160 We're trying to let this guy go ahead and do 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:49.199 what he do. And if it's not, if what we 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:52.000 think he's supposed to be doing is it what he's doing, 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:56.360 then we failed. But don't handicap him. I had a 0:11:56.440 --> 0:12:01.559 conversation with with James Slater about, you know, Mike McCarthy 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:03.559 and being on the sideline, and I said, you know, 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:05.280 I said, you know why some of the things happen 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:07.640 for guys like Mike McCarthy this year with some of 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:10.720 the game management stuff, because Mike is looking for stuff 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:14.000 to do. His whole career, he's been so engaged in 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:18.120 the play calling of a game and being that aspect 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:20.240 of it that he's engaged. But now he's just a 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:23.240 stand around head coach. You start trying to find stuff 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:24.959 to do because it's like, what do I do with 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:27.719 my hands? I have to find something to do. He 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:30.120 has nothing to do on game day because I'm not 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:34.800 calling plays. I'm not defensive minded, I'm not special teams minded. 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:38.680 So if you take the one thing that makes me whole, 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:41.400 and the one thing that makes me who I am, 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:44.079 how I cut my teeth in this league. If you 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:48.040 take that away from me, now I'm just another guy 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:51.400 who has a pair of headsets on the sideline. Let 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:53.959 him do what he does, and if that's not what 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:56.920 he's good at anymore, then we failed and we move 0:12:57.000 --> 0:12:59.839 on to the next guy. But all this whole, you know, 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:02.040 let this guy do this, Let this guy do this. No, 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:07.280 you signed Mike McCarthy simply because of his past history 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:11.000 of being a quarterback developer and an offensive play caller. 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:16.040 Let the man do what he do well, and he 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:19.079 was forced to call plays Kellen Moore being right, I 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:22.200 mean this is a front office thing from the get go, correct, Jesse. 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:24.720 I mean, there's really no other way around it, because 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:27.800 with everything you're saying, Mike McCarthy has the opportunity to 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:31.120 veto that unless it's a free front office thing. So 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:33.640 why why is Kellen Moore still calling the plays? If 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:36.240 Mike McCarthy, if that was specifically what he was called 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:39.280 in to be. I said this yesterday on the show, 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:42.199 and listen. I could be far fetched sometimes I get 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:45.480 way out there with some of my theories, but coming 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:49.000 into the last year of Kellen Moore's contract, and there 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:52.280 could have been a competition between between Jerry and Mike McCarthy, 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:55.480 and if you fire Mike, if you fire Kellen Moore, 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:58.160 now whatever he's making, you got to pay that, right. 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:00.360 You don't get a chance to that doesn't go to 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:02.679 the post, you know, post Jude one cuts where you 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:04.760 can kind of get this kind on that you gotta 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:07.520 pay him that. So I thought maybe Jerry was like listening, 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:09.800 He's in his last year of his contract. Let's see 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:11.720 if you guys can work this thing out by letting 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:14.280 him call players this first year. If it doesn't work out, 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:17.120 we won't renew his contract, will give you the responsibilities 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:19.800 back next year, and we'll continue to move forward. I 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:23.560 do think that Kelly Moore is a Jerry Jones kind 0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:29.400 of uh. It's he's trying to build this. This is 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:31.760 a continuation of what he tried to build with Jason Garrett. 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:34.640 When Jason Garrett back in two thousand and seven, eight 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:37.440 and nine was like supposed to be the new genius, 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:40.440 hot shot offensive play caller, and he paid him five 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:43.040 million dollars equal to what he paid Wade Phillips to 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:45.160 be the OC so that he wouldn't go to Baltimore, 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:48.800 or that he wouldn't go to, uh, you know, other places. 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:51.800 I think Jerry's still trying to still trying to put 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:55.200 his hand on I created something. If I can't create 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:57.600 a super Bowl winning team, I wouldn't be able to 0:14:57.640 --> 0:15:01.360 say I created the next Cow Shanahan. I created the 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:04.880 next uh, you know, the next hot shot across the league, 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:07.520 and he came from my tree. And again, I think, 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:11.360 like like Jason Garrett, Jerry might be striking out again 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:14.960 on this one. Barry, what do you think about that? 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:17.280 I just, you know, I just don't go understan. If 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:19.800 we're going by that premise that you know who, we 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:21.720 wanted to give Kellyn one more shot to try to 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:24.200 try to make this offense complete and try to make 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:26.800 the next Kellyn or Kyle Shanahan. I go back to 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:29.200 Nate's premise. And I just don't understand why we even 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:31.400 hired Mike in the first place. If we're gonna give 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:33.640 you know, Keller Morti this shot to be this OC, 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:36.840 this great, this great game caller, we should have went 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:38.880 and got a defensive coach, because I mean, we know 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:41.040 how bad our defenses has been struggling. So yeah, I 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:44.160 still don't understand why we kept Kelly Moore along. If 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:47.320 we hired Mike specifically to be this offensive guru and 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:49.880 let him call the plays, why is Kelly Moore still here? 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:51.960 I don't understand that one. That's the question I'd like 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:55.440 to pose to you guys. And the thing that the 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:59.520 thing that gets me fellas in and Jesse's always rolled 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:02.360 me hard because I've always said, sooner or later, y'all, 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:04.840 we're gonna have to play defense. Sooner or later, y'all. 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:06.640 We're gonna have to have somebody to turn the ball 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:10.840 over sooner or later. And just think, we had a 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:14.160 shot at at the defensive player this year last year, 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:17.120 and we pick Ceedee Lamb and it's for great as 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:20.600 Ceedee Lamb has been and for the potential that we 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:23.560 see him being the top bulldog in the year. So 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:27.840 that's how bad our defense is. Just think, and this 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:33.360 year's draft it's totally against us because there's no top 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:36.760 ten defensive players out there. So we're gonna wind up 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:42.280 again getting another offensive player. And listen, if we don't 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:46.280 have the right coordinator to Kyle, what up, Let's go Kyle, 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:53.760 right coordinator to try to help control the game if 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:56.480 we would have started out this season trying to control 0:16:56.680 --> 0:17:01.320 clock along with scores, which we couldn't because my mate 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:16.400 to the ball. So there you have it, ladies and gentlemen, 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:19.080 we've we've solved everything. The Cowboys are gonna draft an 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:22.000 offensive tight end uh in the first round in Kyle Pitts, 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:25.520 and then we're gonna turn The reason for the five 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:28.200 and nine start is fumbles early in the season from Zeke. 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:30.680 So that's the kind of content you came here for 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:34.760 on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. 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There's a player's lounge in 0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:18.920 here though, unfortunately, so back here on Dallas Cowboys dot com. 0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:22.000 Glad you're with us, everybody. Kyle Yoma's Jesse Holly, Nate 0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:25.600 Newton and Barry Church. Chris being back at his home 0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:29.680 office running things at the point today. But whenever you 0:20:29.760 --> 0:20:32.840 guys look at this week in the Dallas Cowboys going 0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:36.280 up against the Philadelphia Eagles, they're two completely different teams, gentlemen. 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:40.240 I mean, that's pretty out there, pretty obvious for either 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:44.159 one of these teams. Whatever you talk about. The Cowboys 0:20:44.600 --> 0:20:47.879 no Benda Duci back at quarterback going up against the 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:50.600 Eagles like they had back in Week eight. Then you 0:20:50.720 --> 0:20:53.399 turn around and you've got Andy Dalton and going up 0:20:53.440 --> 0:20:56.879 against Jalen Hurts, which is something that we didn't necessarily 0:20:57.280 --> 0:21:01.760 see going into Week sixteen happening either. But Jesse, whenever 0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:04.680 it comes to Jalen Hurts, what does he bring that's 0:21:05.080 --> 0:21:07.680 gonna be tough against this Cowboys defense because it's not 0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:10.159 gonna be an easy task for a defense that has 0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:14.439 struggled against mobile quarterbacks who can somehow find a way 0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:17.240 to throw the football like Jalen Hurts is done over 0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:22.280 the last couple of weeks. Yeah, he brings a headache, 0:21:22.640 --> 0:21:25.480 that's what he brings. He brings you a significant headache, 0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:29.480 especially for a team that will probably be without You're 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:33.639 starting defensive tackle and Antoine Woods, you're starting little linebacker, 0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:37.640 and Layton Vanderish and you're starting safety Xavier Woods will 0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:40.240 all probably be out of his game and his team 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:43.440 has already had issues with the run game up the 0:21:43.520 --> 0:21:48.320 middle and being able to corral athletic quarterbacks. And the 0:21:48.400 --> 0:21:51.280 way Jalen Hurts plays is yes, he wants to deliver 0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:53.920 the ball from the pocket, but make no mistakes about it. 0:21:54.040 --> 0:21:57.000 When that's not there and the play breaks down, you 0:21:57.600 --> 0:22:00.160 and this is a team who Tech Cowboys defense who 0:22:00.240 --> 0:22:03.840 have not been alignment assignment sound all year long. When 0:22:03.920 --> 0:22:06.359 that play breaks down and that pocket begins to collap, 0:22:07.760 --> 0:22:10.800 Jalen Hurts now becomes a threat as a runner, and 0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:13.400 not a runner who's looking to slide or who's looking 0:22:13.480 --> 0:22:15.879 to kind of tiptoe. No, he's looking to run with 0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:18.720 ni with some force. He has some wiggle. So not 0:22:18.880 --> 0:22:20.920 only is he looking to deliver the ball down the field, 0:22:20.920 --> 0:22:23.880 which he can, but when it breaks down on third 0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:26.560 and seven and third and eight, now all the linebackers 0:22:26.600 --> 0:22:29.720 have dropped back in coverage, and linebackers who may not 0:22:29.840 --> 0:22:32.199 have played a lot this season will play a lot 0:22:32.320 --> 0:22:35.080 more snaps because of the appsence of Laton vander Esh 0:22:35.280 --> 0:22:38.879