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Speaker 1: It's a recording and progress, ah, recording is in progress. Okay, well, everybody,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the renew Subcenters podcast. And I'm joined by

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Speaker 1: my usual cohort, Caitlin Thompson. Because I am still in Australia. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I know people are wondering have I moved back permanently?

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Speaker 1: And let me tell you something. With what's going on

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Speaker 1: in the United States, my passport back here is looking

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Speaker 1: pretty good. I'm gonna I'm not gonna lie. And it's

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Speaker 1: been good to be here throughout it all. And every

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Speaker 1: now and again something comes up on my computer, on

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Speaker 1: my phone or with the people that i'm my best

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Speaker 1: friend who I'm staying with, her husband comes up and says,

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Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, your ages. You see what happened today? Anyway,

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Speaker 1: Joined by Caitlin Thompson. Caitlin, good day, mate, gooday.

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Speaker 2: I've also been on the road a little bit and

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Speaker 2: I have managed to leave the country and I thought

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Speaker 3: And I have to say I contemplated it for a minute.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure I did. Anyway, It's it's scary what's happening

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Speaker 1: the fact that the president might himself the president today

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Speaker 1: of the Kennedy Center just because he can. Is hilarious

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Speaker 1: to make.

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Speaker 2: Bud is we can uh just do whatever we want now.

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Speaker 2: So you want to call it the Gulf of America,

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Speaker 2: I think we should call it the Golf of Tennis.

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Speaker 3: Mom.

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Speaker 2: Also the president of Kennedy Center, re Nice Stubs, is

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Speaker 2: now the president of Tennis.

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Speaker 3: Like we can just get it. No, we do whatever

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Speaker 3: we want now.

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Speaker 2: Great, I'm not paying a taxes and I'm going to

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Speaker 2: be the chancellor of sport.

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Speaker 1: Chancellor sports? What would I be?

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Speaker 3: Vice Chancellor of sport?

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Speaker 1: What the president?

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Speaker 3: Because I thought of it. We have so much to

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Speaker 2: Australian Open has only been done for a few days

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Speaker 2: and we've already had tournaments few weeks over the last

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Speaker 2: week or two. We had a tournament in Dallas. This

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Speaker 2: was phenomenally entertaining. We had a tournament in two in

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Speaker 3: Going on, talk us through some of the stuff that

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Speaker 3: you've been seeing.

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Speaker 2: Carlitos al Karaz got his first tittle of the seasons.

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Speaker 2: Love came back, Beatsala does love Chapeau coming back?

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Speaker 3: Man, what a great comeback.

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Speaker 1: Give me your thoughts on it, because I'll be honest,

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Speaker 1: I didn't watch a lot of it, just because you know,

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Speaker 1: while I'm Australia. While I'm here in Australia, I try

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Speaker 1: Even though I have the Renae Substams podcast. I'm more

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Speaker 1: inclined to talk about our listeners writing into us today

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Speaker 1: on the old Socials. But I want your thoughts on

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Speaker 1: basically what you saw from those guys, especially Carlos. I

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Speaker 1: That's got to even give him a ton of common EID.

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Speaker 1: It's going into these big tournaments in Indian Wells.

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Speaker 2: And Miami totally and you know, obviously he's on hard court.

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Speaker 2: We saw him win the Surface Slams last year.

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Speaker 3: Little known fact.

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Speaker 2: I think Carlos's first title came indoors on hardcourt, did

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Speaker 2: I love that he's wearing a nose strip. You know, listen,

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Speaker 2: So it was like that classic matchup that I just

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Speaker 1: Look, he's always had the talent. We know that he's

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Speaker 3: And I hope, I hope that's true. I love it.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, it's kind of hard to imagine.

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Speaker 2: I necessarily disagree with anything you said, but I think

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Speaker 2: like that bears being said and that's all true, full stop.

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Speaker 2: The four game thing feels like, what are we doing here?

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Speaker 3: Do you want to? Should we just like do tiddleywinks?

436
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Speaker 3: Or you know, why don't we just.

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: I kind of understand the qualities week.

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Speaker 2: In the sense that you know, when you go to

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Speaker 2: some of these matches in the second week of a Slam,

441
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Speaker 2: it's the best players at this event and there's nobody

442
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Speaker 2: watching them, and that sucks. It sucks for the tournament,

443
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Speaker 2: It sucks for the players, and it sucks for the

444
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Speaker 2: fans who could or would be there but probably can't

445
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Speaker 2: afford the finals or don't want to, aren't fervent enough

446
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Speaker 2: fans to uh you know, show up for anything but

447
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Speaker 2: the finals of the singles, right, Because they tend to

448
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Speaker 2: put the singles in the doubles on the same day,

449
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Speaker 2: on the same ticket, right, it doesn't help with the

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Speaker 2: point that I think you also made when we were

451
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Speaker 2: talking about this a little earlier, which is like, the

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Speaker 2: one of the reasons they do this is one of

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Speaker 2: the reasons they keep doubles and mixed and all the

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Speaker 2: other events to the legends, the Whillies, the juniors to

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Speaker 2: the second week is as the tournament field and singles

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Speaker 2: gets thinned out. There's just like simply not enough matches

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Speaker 2: to justify like the grounds and the entirety of the stadium. Right,

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Speaker 2: if there's only one thing going on in the stadium,

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Speaker 2: then what are we doing here? You're gonna come all

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Speaker 2: the way to Queen's for one match? So yeah, this

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Speaker 2: doesn't solve that. I do sort of feel for the

462
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Speaker 2: tournaments who are trying very hard to make money. Obviously

463
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Speaker 2: the Slams need the least a person.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, calm, the farm makes so much freakin' money.

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Speaker 1: They make more money on honeyduces than you and I

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Speaker 1: will make in our fucking lifetime.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely true.

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Speaker 2: That said, they were trying to market the game and

469
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Speaker 2: make sure that it's reaching people and top of funnel fans.

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Speaker 2: I don't mind the experimentation. And here comes my controversial opinion.

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Speaker 2: I love doubles. You love doubles. I love watching doubles.

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Speaker 2: Playing doubles doubles is important. It's important to me, and

473
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Speaker 2: I actually go to these matches and I watched them

474
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Speaker 2: on TV because I care about them. I do think

475
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Speaker 2: that we it is a long time since you played

476
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Speaker 2: doubles with Stephan Graff and you know John Mcap.

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Speaker 1: Of course, the top players don't play doubles anymore. And yes,

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Speaker 1: I mean I was beating. So when my Grandslam titles

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Speaker 1: the likes of Kim Clyiks and Martina Hingis.

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Speaker 3: You played the Williams sisters and.

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Speaker 1: William Yeah, of course I played all the top.

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Speaker 2: The single, probably most exciting match I've ever sat at

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Speaker 2: in my whole life was when center court Wimbledon, Andy

484
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Speaker 2: Murray and Serena Williams.

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Speaker 3: Come out to play mixed doubles. It was so cool.

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Speaker 2: The stadium lost its mind, and I didn't really care

487
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Speaker 2: about anything else that was going on in the tournament,

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Speaker 2: certainly not singles, because I was watching Andy Murray and

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Speaker 2: Serena Willing played mixed doubles together. So I do think

490
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Speaker 2: there does need to be a little bit of a rejiggering,

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Speaker 2: you know. Riley o'poka a couple of years ago suggested

492
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Speaker 2: a very controversial idea that might have some.

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Speaker 3: Legs, which is like, if you are in.

494
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Speaker 2: The singles field, if you qualified to be in a

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Speaker 2: singles field, do you get an automatic entry into the

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Speaker 2: doubles or should you perhaps bump double specialists. I'm not

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Speaker 2: saying I believe in that, but I think it was

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Speaker 2: an interesting idea.

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Speaker 1: I'm not opposed to that. I this is going to

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Speaker 1: be a controversial take from me because people are going

501
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Speaker 1: to be like, you should be protecting the doubles players.

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Speaker 1: I've said for a long time, if you're not in

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Speaker 1: the top twenty or thirty at least playing doubles only,

504
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Speaker 1: you're not a very good tennis player, right.

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Speaker 3: I have said that. You've said that, and.

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Speaker 1: It's like, if you're playing doubles only, you should be

507
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Speaker 1: schooling people in doubles. You should be, you know, the best.

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Speaker 3: In the world. You know.

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Speaker 1: There wasn't a time I don't believe in like the

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Speaker 1: last fifteen years of my career, I wasn't in the

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Speaker 1: top ten and doubles. I mean, that's what you should

512
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Speaker 1: be if you're concentrating only, I'm playing doubles only, and

513
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Speaker 1: there are not enough singles players playing doubles. There's no

514
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Speaker 1: question about that. Doubles has become a little bit There

515
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Speaker 1: are some doubles only specialist players out there that I'm like, ah,

516
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Speaker 1: really like this is not a great look, you know,

517
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Speaker 1: and they're making and they are making so much money, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean. I was asked recently by the girl I've

519
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Speaker 1: been helping a little bit, Elan Perez, you know what

520
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Speaker 1: was the most money you ever made in a year,

521
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Speaker 1: And I said, ah, I think close to eight hundred thousand, which, hey,

522
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Speaker 1: I'm not that's a lot of money. I'm not complaining

523
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Speaker 1: about that. But that year I won two Grand Slam

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Speaker 1: doubles titles, two Grand Slam Mixed doubles titles, and the

525
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Speaker 1: WTA finals, along with like five other tournaments. And I

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Speaker 1: only won eight hundred thousand. If I did that now,

527
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Speaker 1: I'd be making two million dollars. So I'm like, don't

528
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Speaker 1: complain about it. Make yourself better. If you're top fifty,

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Speaker 1: it's not good enough. So I'm okay with like having

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Speaker 1: top players play in these events and making it a

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Speaker 1: little bit more, But to make it best, to make

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Speaker 1: it to four games, that's a joke. That's just making

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Speaker 1: fun of the event and trying to make it. It's

534
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Speaker 1: an exhibition. It's an exhibition. Let's just fuck it is.

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Speaker 3: It is definitely an exhibition.

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Speaker 1: It's a mixed doubles exhibition before the US Open, and

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Speaker 1: we're to crown and winner and we're going to put

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Speaker 1: it on slap it on the winner of the two

539
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Speaker 1: thousand and twenty five US Open Mixed doubles along with

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Speaker 1: all the other former champions was this team and that's it,

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Speaker 1: And so will it change? I don't know. Will we

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Speaker 1: get top players singles players playing mixed doubles maybe? I

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Speaker 1: don't know. But they're trying to do what Indian Wells did,

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Speaker 1: which is have that little exhibition thing before the tournament.

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Speaker 1: And I think they had something before the US Open

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Speaker 1: last year on one night. Ye make sense, Like they're

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Speaker 1: obviously trying to do something like that, but don't dumb

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Speaker 1: it down to top to best of four games like

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Speaker 1: first to four or whatever. That's that's where I draw

550
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Speaker 1: the line. It's a joke anyway, to be contented.

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Speaker 2: I feel like we might have some more chew over

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Speaker 2: on this as as more details merge to be continued.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so order in the court love that name. On

554
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Speaker 1: any thoughts on whether Janick Sinner getting a lengthy suspension

555
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Speaker 1: from CASS would prompt the powers that be intended to

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Speaker 1: take a stand with wider and finally say enough is

557
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Speaker 1: enough with blindly applying rules just for the sake of

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Speaker 1: the rules. Now, I don't think it's casts that are

559
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Speaker 1: doing this, that it's wider that they're trying to give

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Speaker 1: him a extended stay at home. Let's put it that way.

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Speaker 1: But my thing on this is I've said it before,

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Speaker 1: so I don't want to get into it too long today.

563
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Speaker 1: But last year, why are you moving the goalpost? It's

564
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Speaker 1: just wholeseshit. If the it IA has decided that he

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Speaker 1: was not at fault and now you want to change

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Speaker 1: the rules and say, oh, we've got to make sure

567
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Speaker 1: the team are at fault as well, and you've got

568
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Speaker 1: to pay the price for that, and like, meanwhile, this

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Speaker 1: is like almost a year later and he's won two

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Speaker 1: Grand Slam Since are we What are we doing here?

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Speaker 2: My thoughts can best be summed up about a lot

572
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Speaker 2: of this and a lot of things, and tell us

573
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Speaker 2: is just what are we doing here?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? What are we doing here? That's going to be

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Speaker 1: the name answers what I know, I've already picked the

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Speaker 1: name of the pod. What are we doing here?

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Speaker 3: Sometimes it just jumps out of here.

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Speaker 1: It's a joke, But I think the player What I

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Speaker 1: thought you were going to say is that we need

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Speaker 1: a stronger player union to make sure that you know

581
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Speaker 1: that I agree that we do, all right, Caviti Cat says,

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Speaker 1: can you explain why the yon X racket suits Madison

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Speaker 1: Keys more than the Wilson she had been using? Is

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Speaker 1: it lighter, balanced differently as a pro does the racket

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Speaker 1: make that much difference? And just because her explanation was

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Speaker 1: the X is a unique squareish shape, does that really

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Speaker 1: make a difference? Have you tested them out? Well, I'll

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Speaker 1: take this one first, and Caitlin, I know that you

589
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Speaker 1: like the YONYX rackets as well. I think it was

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Speaker 1: the bottom line is this racket gave her more power? Okay,

591
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Speaker 1: and you're probably thinking wide in Madison Keys need more power. Well,

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Speaker 1: she doesn't feel like she's got to absolutely redline the

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Speaker 1: racket to get the power. And also, you know she

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Speaker 1: did change the strings about a year ago to go

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Speaker 1: to all polly, which gives her more control on the ball.

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Speaker 1: So she took out the gut, which if anyone that's

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Speaker 1: played with gut knows, which I have as well, sometimes

598
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Speaker 1: you lose control when you get a bit nervous, so

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00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: the ball flies on you. So it's just a little

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Speaker 1: bit lighter. It's giving her a lot more power without

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Speaker 1: her having to red line everything, and I think just

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Speaker 1: the combination of everything has just been so good for

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Speaker 1: her clearly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 2: I don't have much to add. I actually am sort

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Speaker 2: of surprised at this move. I've played with Berth theon

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Speaker 2: X and Wilson rackets. Wilson rackets are balanced more heavily

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Speaker 2: typically in the head, which given her long swing, actually

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Speaker 2: kind of makes sense to me. But the UNIX because

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Speaker 2: it's sweet spot, is like larger because that unique head shape.

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Speaker 2: As Caviti cat noted, you know, I think we're seeing

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Speaker 2: her play with like more margin and more power.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, obviously it's a great fit.

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Speaker 2: It's not a great look to lose your like longtime

615
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Speaker 2: athlete to a rival and then like the first thing

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Speaker 2: they do after twenty years of playing with your rockets

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Speaker 2: is when their first Grand Slam with a competing product. So,

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Speaker 2: you know, Wilson, I don't know, maybe they're like on notice,

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Speaker 2: maybe I don't care.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, but yeah, it's well, they should care.

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Speaker 3: They should care.

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Speaker 2: It seems like after you know, losing Fed, losing Serena,

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Speaker 2: they don't have a ton of players on the men's side.

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Speaker 2: You were playing with their rackets and outside of Arena soublanca,

625
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Speaker 2: which is hard to argue with from a results standpoint,

626
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Speaker 2: But outside of arena, you know, the ranks are getting

627
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Speaker 2: pretty thin on a good old team Wilson, So I

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Speaker 2: don't know.

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Speaker 1: I remember Lisa Raimond, Myle Dobs partner. She played with

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Speaker 1: the classic Prince grap for Evan loved it, and I

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Speaker 1: remember her. I remember her telling me a couple of

632
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Speaker 1: years ago she started using that red YONEX. She's like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, this is the best racket I've ever used,

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Speaker 1: and which I found really unique because of the waste

635
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Speaker 1: she plays. And I've hit with the X record as well,

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Speaker 1: And I think the bottom line is they just are

637
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Speaker 1: so good at getting products made so well, the Japanese,

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Speaker 1: they are just so good at it. And I think,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, they've got to be so pumped about

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00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: this conversation that is round Madison Keys and her racket change.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when a racket is so closely associated with a

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Speaker 2: player the way that that was with with Maddie, and

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Speaker 2: then a change happens, and then a result of this,

644
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Speaker 2: like it's so striking and you don't even have to

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Speaker 2: be like a die heard tennis fan. I think to

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Speaker 2: notice to notice this, but yeah, it was. It is

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Speaker 2: sort of notable.

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Speaker 1: Love it, good question, Love it? Okay? Jill counts the

649
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: beck says why did the bulk of tennis media gloss

650
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: over zverevg curios? How come ESPN protects them both and

651
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: in one case pays them for commentary. Also thoughts on

652
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: Hallip's legacy. Oh we just you're getting two for one,

653
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: aren't you, Jill.

654
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 2: Woll Jill just ask all the hard questions.

655
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 3: Huh.

656
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: First of all, Jill, if you followed our podcast, you

657
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: would know exactly that this media, me and Caitlin and

658
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: everyone in between on this call has never glossed over Zverev.

659
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: We have talked about him at nauseum. Caitlin even had

660
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: a very big story in her magazine a few years

661
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: ago that was quite controversial, and she's had to deal

662
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: with that through the years. But we don't gloss over it.

663
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: But what do you want us to do about it?

664
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: I mean, we don't have a.

665
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 2: Great question aim it at the Athletic, the Tennis channel,

666
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 2: Sky Sports, BBC, Eurosport. Actually, Eurosport is probably the worst

667
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 2: defender because they employ his brother and seem to be

668
00:32:53,880 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 2: very very keen on glassing over any let's say, Pecadilla's

669
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 2: around the discussion. So yeah, I think it sort of

670
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 2: depends on where you look. As for curious. You know, again,

671
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 2: this podcast has been pretty clear about, uh, you know

672
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 2: what grit Nick is great at, which used to be tennis,

673
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 2: and what he is currently great at, which is playing himself.

674
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 2: And I think we can probably leave it at that.

675
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: Hey, I mean, it's very difficult for me to like

676
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: sit here and rip on Maks. Uh, you know, would

677
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: be really stupid for me to do. But at the

678
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: same time, and I've said this many times about Nick,

679
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: he is an amazing analyst, Like he is actually really

680
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: fucking good at analyzing tennis, which is a shame because

681
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: everything else he does is ridiculous. And I think, you know,

682
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: the stuff that he puts out on the social media's,

683
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: particularly this fight with about and with Thinner, is ridiculous

684
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: and it's not a good look. And I've said many

685
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: many times the Nick chuse himself in the foot and

686
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: it's not for me. I don't pay the checks and

687
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: I don't employ the people on television, So it's aimed

688
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: at other people, don't aim it at us. We do

689
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: not gloss over what we think of these two and

690
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: how a Lott's legacy. We talked about it last week

691
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: with Sam. Look, I think she'll go down as one

692
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 1: of the great fighters in tennis. She's, you know, this

693
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 1: tiny little girl from Romania became an incredible tennis player,

694
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: and her legacy is somebody that I will always respect

695
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: her as a tennis player. I will always respect her

696
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: work ethic, her fight, her emotional ups and downs and

697
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 1: working her way through those and finally getting a couple

698
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: of Grand Slain Belt titles under a belt. And to me,

699
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: she'll always be that person.

700
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 2: To me.

701
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 3: Great.

702
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 2: I think she's that with a little bit of an

703
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 2: astress for me, and I'll kind of leave it.

704
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: Of course, of course, there'll always be the asterisk, and

705
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: that is you know, and let me tell you something.

706
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: If she was, in her eyes innocent and it was

707
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: given to her and she didn't know it and all

708
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff by her team, I feel really

709
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: badly for her, because you never want to have that

710
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: asterisk next to your name. She will go into the

711
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. They've already the Hall of Fame have

712
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: already set that precedent by putting Maria Sharapo over in there,

713
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: so Hallott will go in and if they don't put

714
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: a halipin then you're like, well, what the fuck? So

715
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 1: Helup's going into the Hall of Fame. And so it's

716
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: just a shame that if she is completely innocent of

717
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: it and it was given to her by her team,

718
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: I feel really bad for her. On the other hand,

719
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: if she didn't know about it, then you know, two

720
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 1: thumbs down.

721
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 3: But two thumbs still.

722
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: We'll never know, all right. Buffy Burford said, what is

723
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: your thoughts about tournaments using different brand balls and complaints

724
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: that some brands are inferior and might be causing injuries

725
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 1: from overhitting flat balls. Well, first of all, Buffy love

726
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: the name. There's no such thing as a flat ball.

727
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: If it's flat, it gets thrown right back to the

728
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: umpire and told to change it out. But there are

729
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: different brands. There's Dunlop obviously that's been a little bit

730
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: of controversial side. There's Wilson, there's Pens, there's all kinds

731
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: of things. Here's the difference and here's the problem here,

732
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: and where the problem lies money money mone When the

733
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: tournament gets balls given to them for free because they

734
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: are a sponsor. They take that because the amount of

735
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: tennis balls that get used as a tournament are enormously

736
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: there's a lot, so you have to understand that the

737
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: tournament is taking a sponsor, and the sponsor is free

738
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,280
Speaker 1: tennis balls and sometimes some money given to the tournament

739
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: to use those balls. So it's never going to change

740
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: until we have a uniformed ball in tennis, and the

741
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: tournaments and the Grand Slams and you know, all get

742
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,439
Speaker 1: together and say this is going to be our one ball.

743
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: For example, in the NBA, it's Wilson, right, they use

744
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: a Wilson basketball. That's not going to change.

745
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 2: American Chancellor of Sport is ready to rule, are really

746
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 2: and one ball and one ball only?

747
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think that would be great.

748
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 3: Caitlin for and Slazenger, that's it.

749
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: Lazenger, are you out of your fing mind?

750
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 2: I didn't add that's no questions at this time?

751
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: Wow, Well, what are you Trump? You're just like unilaterally

752
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: just changing the shit.

753
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 2: This is what we do. I'm a chancellor. I didn't

754
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 2: say I was the president. This isn't that a diplomacy,

755
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 2: This is that a democracy.

756
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: I just like I'm the president of the Ken Kennedy

757
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: center the.

758
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 2: Lateral decision, making my bile pick as Chancellor Slazenger.

759
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: Next question, all right, well here we go. All right,

760
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: Pop fails. What do you think of this proposal to

761
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: get more top players playing doubles? Double the prize money

762
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: for people who play both. If you lose first round,

763
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: you get double what you would have gotten. Still, I

764
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: can't find a flaw in it other than the cost. Well,

765
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: I will say Pop fails. We sort of touched upon

766
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: it already. We do want more top players playing. And

767
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why I believe that top players

768
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: don't play doubles anymore like they did in the old

769
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: days is because the prize money is so enormous in

770
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 1: singles they don't need to play doubles. You know, when

771
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 1: I played back in the seventeen seventies, you know, the

772
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: prize money to win a singles event might have been

773
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars to win a huge event, and

774
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: you thought, Okay, that's a lot of money, and you're

775
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: winning doubles. I mean, I remember winning Miami and Miami

776
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: and Indian Wells, two huge tournaments that pay way over

777
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars to win the doubles. Now I

778
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: was winning that to win Grand Slams, and I was

779
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: winning maybe twenty five thousand to win those tournaments, which

780
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: again I'm not you know, there's a lot of people

781
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: out there going, oh, fuck are you that's a lot

782
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: of money. But now they're winning well over one hundred

783
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 1: for those tournaments. The top singles players don't need to

784
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,399
Speaker 1: play doubles for money anymore because they're winning so much

785
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: money in bingles. So yes, is it an idea to

786
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: put more double money into doubles. I think there's one

787
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: thing about the US Open. They make the draw a

788
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: little bit you know less, But then again, the problem

789
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: is you won't have the top players playing, so I

790
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: can understand why they're trying to do this. But we'll

791
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: see if if any of the top players play in

792
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: this mixed doubles event, and that will answer our questions,

793
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: I guess, and how much well TV show it, because

794
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: the ESPN does show the week before the US Open.

795
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:08,399
Speaker 1: We are on ESPN Plus, so I don't know. We'll see,

796
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: But I like your idea, pop Fils, It's not a

797
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: bad one. You've got nothing.

798
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 2: My answer is wrapped up in a larger structural change

799
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 2: but you join the swams. You join the slams into

800
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,760
Speaker 2: a consortium with a few masters one thousands, you probably

801
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 2: get rid of the tours. You have on one side

802
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 2: the tournaments. On the other side of the players, they

803
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 2: split the entire PI fifty to fifty. They come together

804
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 2: in an annual meeting. They have a union. On one side,

805
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 2: they have the ownership on the other. They negotiate rule changes, updates,

806
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 2: schedule blah blah blah. Fewer events, all mandatory, all big deals,

807
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 2: all in cool places. We can't agree on which places

808
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 2: they are, but you know we'll table that. And then

809
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 2: you have everybody agreeing that for these fewer amounts of tournaments,

810
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 2: they will play all the events, and they will play

811
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 2: all the events because that is and you know, everybody

812
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 2: pays into the system. You get a base salary, the

813
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 2: tour takes care of, you know, the bottom type the top.

814
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 2: You know, are subsidizing a little bit the bottom. But

815
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 2: also make sure that ecosyism healthy. Then you don't have

816
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 2: crazy ideas like it next. So turn it at the beginning,

817
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 2: because if I can't see colors Acaaz play in week

818
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 2: two of a Slam because he lost in the second

819
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 2: round I can still see him play deep because mixed

820
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 2: doubles and doubles doesn't start until week two, So I

821
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 2: wonder maybe that's it.

822
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: I wonder if Corlins the Akaraz will play with Radakanu

823
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 1: in the mixed doubles.

824
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 3: Let's talk about RADICANU. Please ask that question now?

825
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: Oh well, I have to go back. Let's let's all

826
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: right fine. Someone asked me if I would consider coaching Radakanu,

827
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Speaker 1: what's the first thing you would do with her? I

828
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: would consider it, of course, yes, her game. I'll never

829
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 1: say no to an opportunity of working with the Grand

830
00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:01,399
Speaker 1: Slam champion. Oh god, there's what would I work on? Well?

831
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 1: I think the first thing I would do is sit

832
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: her down and ask what she wants. And I think

833
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 1: that's the key. You have to know what your player wants.

834
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 2: It does seem like maybe nobody's done that.

835
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 1: Yes, I think they all come in thinking, oh, I'm

836
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: going to tweak this, and I'm going to tweak that.

837
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to do this, and that's a very I

838
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: would sit her down and say, what, let's be honest here,

839
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: what do you want? How do you want to approach this?

840
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: And then I'm going to tell you exactly what I think,

841
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: and then we go from there, and it's a bit

842
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: of a sit down and come to Jesus moment and

843
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: be honest with her about what I feel like her

844
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 1: her top level is and where she can get to

845
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: and not try and be like, yeah, we can win

846
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: another Slam tomorrow, because that's just, you know, unlikely at

847
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: this point. So what is it? What are her goals realistically,

848
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: and then what can we do to work to get there?

849
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: So a lot of people think, you know, it's coming

850
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 1: in and tweaking, like, you know, if I were to

851
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,399
Speaker 1: work with Coco, obviously there's things that I would work

852
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: on structurally in her, in her game as far as

853
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: her technique is concerned. There are little things that I

854
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: really believe in. But you know, because you don't need

855
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: to work on Coco, what do you want? You know

856
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: what Coco wants. She wants to win every single tournament.

857
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: She has the ability to win every tournament in every

858
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: Grand Slam, but there's a few technical things that definitely

859
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 1: need to change, and she's working on them and she's

860
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,720
Speaker 1: trying to but she lost again in the first round

861
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: in Doha, so there's some question marks about how coco

862
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: is going right now, but anyway, all right, So that's

863
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,720
Speaker 1: that's how I thought It's on Emma Radakanu. I mean, listen,

864
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: you've got to know how they feel before you can

865
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: change a lot of things. All right, rain or Shine

866
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: ninety nine, I have a few questions. Well, Rain or Shine,

867
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: we can't answer them.

868
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 3: All.

869
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: Why aren't there more women coaching women? Well, we've already

870
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: answered that question a few times. There's a few reasons. One,

871
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 1: a lot of the women like, let's say myself, I

872
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: can't hit the ball as well as some dude that

873
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 1: you know is thirty years of age and can hit

874
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: a ball better than me now, and so they use

875
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: these cheaper guys that can hit balls with them also

876
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 1: tell them a little bit what to do, and you know,

877
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: they think that that's better, and so sometimes that's part

878
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: of it. Sometimes it's women have families, don't want to

879
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: travel very much, so that's that situation. And there's also

880
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: the stigma attached to can a woman coach me, which

881
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: is we know, horseshit. Of course they can look at

882
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: Marta Kotchuk what she's been able to do over the

883
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: last twelve months, just beating cocoa, goff herself this week

884
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: and her coach is a female. Conchiita Martinaz has done

885
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,760
Speaker 1: a great job with many players through the years. Clearly,

886
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: I feel like I've done a good job with everybody

887
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: I've worked with.

888
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 3: So also, it doesn't just extended tennis. Jalen Hurts has

889
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 3: an all female management team.

890
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: Come on, hell yeah, how good was that?

891
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 3: Amazing?

892
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 2: So not to derailium, but yes, I the reasons they're

893
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 2: economic and logistical, hopefully not perceptionaliz.

894
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: Yes, and someone else as the same question, Rayna Shane,

895
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 1: what the best way to see archive matches besides YouTube?

896
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anyway.

897
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 2: No, you know, I think we should start a letter

898
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 2: writing campaign to HBO loose in this country because they

899
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 2: sit on all of the archives of Wimbledon, for example,

900
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 2: they own years and years and years of archives when

901
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 2: they used to be the broadcast partner. They're sitting on

902
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 2: gold mines with no real sense of how to storytell.

903
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 2: I'm sure ESPN has a bunch of old ones. I

904
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 2: would love, love, love for somebody in broadcast to resurrect them.

905
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:35,959
Speaker 2: It'll turn them into stuff or steal them exactly we see.

906
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,280
Speaker 1: Well now that yeah, a good question.

907
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 3: Well, that's a good ood question. Yeah, I think it's

908
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 3: I think the answer is YouTube.

909
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: Caitlin would love that, all right, somebody else. Tracy also

910
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,240
Speaker 1: asked about the thoughts on the US Open mixed doubles.

911
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: It really does. It's really a question that came up

912
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: quite often from people, so I think you will know

913
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: exactly how we feel about it now, el got it. No,

914
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: not good.

915
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 2: Well, I was just going to read one counterpoint to

916
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 2: what we discussed. In the spirit of change. A friend

917
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 2: of mine who's a tennis coach in Brooklyn said, shout

918
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 2: out to the USCA, and he was open for making

919
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 2: moves and switching up the mix steps. I love the

920
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 2: changing format and I love that the change in timing.

921
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 3: The ability to.

922
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 2: Have men and women compete together is one of the

923
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 2: things that makes tennis unique. It deserves participation and viewership.

924
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 2: Happy they're resurrecting the event. I don't know if I

925
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 2: would characterize it as a record's resurrection, but it I

926
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 2: just want to say there are some people who are

927
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,919
Speaker 2: seeing this as a win because it seems like more

928
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 2: fans and eyeballs and maybe prominent players will participate in it.

929
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 2: If that's true, I don't know the players are about it.

930
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 2: Sarahani is famously not having about it, so you know again,

931
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 2: that's why I was sort of like, I have a

932
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 2: feeling will not this will not be the last time

933
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 2: we talked about this.

934
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 1: I think my issue is, and I've stated already, is

935
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: that to play the four is a joke.

936
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 3: It's an exod that is stupid, indefensible.

937
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I will say I've spoke to Sam's

938
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: dooty yesterday and Sam's was like, uh, what the fuck

939
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: you have to hold serve one time? Like what are

940
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,439
Speaker 1: we doing here? You know what I mean? I said,

941
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: what you're thinking about making a comeback?

942
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 3: You know?

943
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think the best of you know, the

944
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: first of fourth the set being four games is just

945
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's a travesty. Just make it.

946
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,240
Speaker 1: If you want to do the tournament the week before

947
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: and have it be part of fan week and you

948
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: want top singles players to play, have it been what

949
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 1: it is, best to two sets. You've already cut it

950
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 1: down to best of two sets and a match tiebreak.

951
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: Just keep it at that for fuck's sake. It's only

952
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: like an hour and fifteen minute match anyway, yeah, what

953
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: are we playing. We don't have ads. You don't have

954
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: ad ads, so it's like, you know, juice, next point wins,

955
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: and then you're going to make it to four.

956
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 3: Like it does feel a little teddlywink.

957
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,320
Speaker 1: Ish, italy winkish.

958
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 3: There you go, tedderwinkish. That's feel free to use that.

959
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 2: I won't use that as an episode total because we

960
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 2: already figured it out.

961
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: Yes, well. K Low On the other the other unnameless

962
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: social media site, asked about sits to pass any hope

963
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,760
Speaker 1: question mark, that's just a real, just straight up there question.

964
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 3: I love Tessa Pats. I will go down defending this guy.

965
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 2: Maybe it's past the point in a return for him,

966
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 2: but until he keeps swinging a racket, I will still

967
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 2: root for this guy and almost every kind of I

968
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 2: just love his game. I love his game. I love

969
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 2: his game. I love his weird emos soul, I love

970
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 2: his fake quotes on social media.

971
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:34,760
Speaker 3: I love the whole package.

972
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 2: He's just a weirdo who I love and I will

973
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 2: fight to the death.

974
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 1: I wish he hadn't said the things that he said

975
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: about certain things a couple of years ago, when he

976
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: was just like basically putting women as second class citizens essentially.

977
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: So I'm just like, dude, wake up. We're in the

978
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: twentieth century anyway. So another question from Ellie Welch, what

979
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,280
Speaker 1: are your thoughts on this idea, Caitlin. She didn't say, Caitlin,

980
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: but I'm saying to you that has all three surfaces.

981
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 1: Higher sees get to choose the surface they play on.

982
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 2: Yes, really the Pirate Slam love it the okay, well

983
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 2: we'll play it in international waters.

984
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, a lot of people on X and on

985
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: Blue Sky and all that sort of stuff. One of

986
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: the major questions they kept asking is was about Vukov

987
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: We've already talked about, and of course about the mixed double.

988
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 1: So those are the two biggest questions. One phil Nowinn

989
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: who asked, what do you think Alex Dimanon needs to

990
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: do to beat Sinner?

991
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 2: Uh?

992
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: Pray and hope Janick Sinner gets injured because he literally

993
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: is playing himself. Who's better, who has bigger serve, bigger forehand,

994
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 1: bigger backhand, just as quick, not not a quick, not

995
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: a quick, but pretty quick. He basically he's playing him.

996
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: It's like he's playing himself as a junior. It's like

997
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: Inner the man is playing Yanick Sinner the junior so

998
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: and that is no slight against him.

999
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 3: He's a gofer golfer.

1000
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's got fat, he's great to watch, he's entertaining,

1001
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 2: he's fast, He's got other shots, just not one Zegger weapon.

1002
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: Yes, Paula Castro said, what do you think of the

1003
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 1: Seeds losing today, specifically Arena and Coco, And my answer

1004
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: to that is, that's why I believe that Mattie keys

1005
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: Is made a fantastic move. And I will say I

1006
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: did chat to her husband Beyond after she won the

1007
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: Australian Open, and I'm not taking credit for this, but

1008
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 1: I did say one of the things that Sam Stows

1009
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: had told me after she won the US openers, she

1010
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: wished she hadn't gone and played in Asia right after that,

1011
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: because you have to be ready and prepared, as Sam

1012
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: said last week, to still put the work in. Just

1013
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: because she won the Australian Open does not guarantee you

1014
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: winning your next match, and so you have to be

1015
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 1: prepared to put the work in, to be mentally prepared

1016
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: to be out there, to be mentally prepared to be

1017
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: at a tournament. So I think that you know Coco's

1018
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: one thing. Coco probably can go there, but there's something

1019
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: to be said about playing a tournament of that size

1020
00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 1: not long after flying back from Australia, flying to the

1021
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: Middle Ace. It's a lot and so I think Maddy

1022
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 1: Keys has done a really smart job with not going

1023
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: to the Middle Ace and that great land. That question anyway, Kitlin,

1024
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: is there anything more you would like to talk to

1025
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: our trusty fans about.

1026
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 2: I just want to give it a shout out to

1027
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 2: the Cuban national team with whom I got to train

1028
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 2: and visit this past weekend. Truly, truly, truly one of

1029
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,919
Speaker 2: the highlights of my life to go to Havana, meet

1030
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 2: a bunch of teens, all of whom are now watsapping

1031
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 2: me and represent the most talent in the country. And

1032
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 2: the legendary coach Belle Case Rodriguez, who's who's coaching them

1033
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 2: all and who was in and o her own right,

1034
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 2: a phenomenal international player, having made several FED Cup then

1035
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 2: called fed Cup now called BJK Cup appearances for a

1036
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 2: country that not very many people have their eye on.

1037
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 3: For tennas.

1038
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 2: So just like a super super super special time, I'll

1039
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 2: be writing about it for our summer issue. And yeah,

1040
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 2: just like any of those kids who might be paying

1041
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 2: attention to thank thank for having me. It was a

1042
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 2: total total posture.

1043
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: Oh look at you. That is really nice to see

1044
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,720
Speaker 1: and here anyway, Well, we love tennis, we love everything

1045
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: about it. I am still in Australia, as I talked about,

1046
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 1: I'm heading back to New York in a couple of days.

1047
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 1: I'm missing. Yes, I'm heading back on Saturday, so you'll

1048
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: see me Saturday. I'm coming back to the cold. It's

1049
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:24,399
Speaker 1: just been beautiful here in Australia, and I have to say,

1050
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,439
Speaker 1: having my head in the sand literally at Bondo Beach

1051
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: and away from the mess and craziness of the United

1052
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: States with what the f is happening back there, is

1053
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: just it's been a godsend, I will say. So, I'm

1054
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: about to get heads stuck right into all the bs

1055
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 1: that I'm going to be dealing with, and I'm glad

1056
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: I've got my strain passport.

1057
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 3: Still let me just say that smart move all right.

1058
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: On that note, we have your Canadian passport.

1059
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 3: Believe it. My whole family does.

1060
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:49,919
Speaker 1: Oh look at you. So you can go up north

1061
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: and I can go down south, and we can just

1062
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: leave if we have to. Commonwealth forever, Commonwealth forever. Alright anyway,

1063
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: all right, well Caitlin, it's good to see you again

1064
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: and I'll see you back in New York.

1065
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm everyone again.

1066
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,320
Speaker 1: As I say all the time, Please like and subscribe,

1067
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 1: give us a good little rating. We do love you

1068
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 1: guys for listening to us every single week and appreciate

1069
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 1: this one was a little bit late, but hey, we

1070
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:16,439
Speaker 1: got it done.

1071
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 2: Thanks for don Bye bye, Thanks mate. I gotta make dinner, okay,

1072
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 2: but he's out.