1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:02,279 Speaker 1: Bodybags. 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 2: But Joseph's gotten more any of y'all that have listened 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 2: to body bags for anytime at all. You know that 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 2: I love babies, I truly do. I love holding babies. 5 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 2: I love taking care of babies. I miss those days 6 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 2: when my kids were tiny. I miss those days my 7 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 2: grandbabies were tiny. There's nothing quite like it, because you 8 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 2: know that they're in your arms swaddled. You've got this 9 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 2: fragile little gift. Today on body bags, Dave McK and 10 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 2: I are going to dig into a case that has 11 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 2: just suddenly burst on the radar for us, particularly as 12 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 2: of today, that is so dark and it's so very 13 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 2: evil that I don't know if I have the words 14 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 2: to describe the horror that is involved. But I can 15 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 2: tell you this, and I know this down in my heart. Science, 16 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 2: as in all matters of death, investigation is going to 17 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 2: point the way to the truth. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan 18 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 2: and this is body bags. Dave. When you reached out 19 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 2: to me today, I got to tell you I had 20 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 2: a vision in my mind of forking the road where 21 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 2: I'm thinking, do I want to go down this path? 22 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 2: Because looking down it, I see all kinds of sinister 23 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:54,559 Speaker 2: elements here that are so very troubling that I again, 24 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 2: words kind of fail me here. But we're going to 25 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 2: make it through this and we're going to take a 26 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 2: look at this case because people need to know. 27 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: You. You mentioned a fork in the road. Yeah, okay, 28 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:09,959 Speaker 1: you mentioned fork in the road, and it reminded me 29 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: of Yogi Berra, yea baseball player. Oh yeah. One of 30 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: his sayings was, when you come to a fork in 31 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: the road, take it. Now. The truth of it is 32 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 1: that to get to Yogi Berra's house, there truly was 33 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:29,239 Speaker 1: a fork in the road, and either way you went, 34 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: it became the driveway for his house. So something that 35 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 1: sounds weird was perfectly sensible to him. In this story, 36 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: we're going to talk to you about Rebecca K. Park. 37 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: She's twenty two years old and she is thirty eight 38 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: weeks pregnant. The last time she has seen is on 39 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: November third, leaving her mother's house. Now, there's a very 40 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: interesting part of the story that you have to know 41 00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: right off the bat. Rebecca Park was not raised by 42 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: her biological mother, Courtney Bartholomew, whether her children, whether Courtney 43 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: Bartholomew's children were taken from her, or whether they were 44 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: given up for adoption. Were not clear on that. We 45 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: just know that Rebecca and her sibling maybe plural, were 46 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 1: adopted out and raised by an adoptive family. And here 47 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: we are now, she's twenty two and thirty eight weeks pregnant, 48 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,839 Speaker 1: and her mother's back in the scene. We know very 49 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: little of their interaction, but it is not uncommon for 50 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: children that are adopted to find their way back to 51 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: a biological parent. Oftentimes it's the biological parent who tries 52 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: to reach back and establish contact. They feel bad about 53 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: what they've done in their life. They know for whatever reason. 54 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: I'm not putting words into anybody's mouth because while that 55 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: might be your situation, it is not this situation. So 56 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: when she goes missing, you know, and. 57 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 2: We've all got questions, right, I mean, we all have questions, 58 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 2: you know. And I'm kind of fleeing to the defense 59 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 2: here of people that have been adopted out because you 60 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 2: have questions about who you are from whence you came. 61 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 2: We talk a lot about genetics on this on this program, 62 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 2: and uh, you know, there's no need here for you know, 63 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,799 Speaker 2: I don't know for forensic genetic genealogy in this case 64 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 2: that you know, the information that we have forensically to 65 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 2: this point. Boy, when I say dark, it paints such 66 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 2: a dark picture from what we know at this point. 67 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 2: Now we've heard there's been information in the wind that's 68 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 2: kind of floated about, uh for about the past week. 69 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 2: But now I got to tell you you you pinged 70 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 2: me today, and BOYD do we have more information now? 71 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 2: And that's why we need to move forward with us. 72 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 1: When this story first happened a couple of weeks ago, 73 00:04:57,760 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: I remember you were on I don't know if this 74 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: Core TV or what channel what, I don't know what 75 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: network called you. But there's this missing woman, a twenty 76 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 1: two year old woman who is thirty eight weeks pregnant, 77 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 1: and she's missing. We've got to find her. And this 78 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 1: was It's crazy to think of somebody at that that's 79 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: that's your I mentioned this. My daughter Hannah was born 80 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: at thirty seven weeks gestation. We're a little bit early. Yeah, 81 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: so she's at thirty eight weeks, This baby can come 82 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: any minute, and she is missing. What kind of condition? 83 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: What physically can a woman at that stage of pregnancy 84 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 1: deal with if they're out in the woods. 85 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 2: Well particularly, and let's back up a second this is 86 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 2: a technician place in Michigan. Okay, So we've got a 87 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 2: young woman who is out there and let's face it, 88 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 2: Dave a thirty eight week pregnancy or gestational age. Let's 89 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 2: say that that it's that far down down down the 90 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 2: line with a pregnancy. They're the most vulnerable among us, 91 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 2: all right. I mean, because they're living for two at 92 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 2: this point in time. You have to wonder what kind 93 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 2: of care is she receiving because she kind of vanishes 94 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 2: off the radar. And I think that that's one of 95 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 2: the things that's very chilling about this. But she's got 96 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 2: kind of even though it's very distorted and muddled, she 97 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 2: does have a group of people that are in her world, 98 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 2: including a biological sister. Now, you had mentioned that she 99 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,919 Speaker 2: had been adopted out, but the biological sister had also 100 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 2: been adopted out as well. And I'm curious as to 101 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 2: and we don't have an answer to this, but I'm 102 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 2: just kind of throwing this out there. How did they 103 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 2: both go to the same family and they were both raised, 104 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 2: you know, what was the impetus behind them perhaps making 105 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 2: contact with their actual biological mother. I think that that's 106 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 2: an interesting dynamic here. But the sister in this case, 107 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 2: the biological sister does play a role in Rebecca's case. 108 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: Well, when the case was rolling out, Joe, and there 109 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: were searches, volunteers, and many times when people have been 110 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: out searching, and we've done so many crime related shows 111 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: where searches were under were being done, And I've always 112 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: wondered how prepared people are to take part in a search, 113 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: because it's not just going out to help look for somebody. 114 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: At a certain stage, you're not looking for a living being. 115 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: You're looking for the body of somebody. And I wonder 116 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: how prepared people really are, because well, yeah, there's no preparation, Joe. 117 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 2: No, there's not. And there's some parallels here between. It's 118 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 2: often been said that labor and delivery in a hospital 119 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 2: is literally the most ful place in the world. You know, 120 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 2: when you walk down the hallway in a labor delivery 121 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 2: ward and you can actually see those babies, you hear 122 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 2: laughter and happiness, h with the birth of a new life. 123 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 2: But brother, let me tell you something. When things go 124 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 2: dark on a labor and delivery ward, it gets really dark, 125 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 2: really quick. And what I mean by that is that 126 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 2: when you have a child that dies, when you have 127 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 2: a mother that has severe complications. Brother, it didn't get 128 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:37,079 Speaker 2: much darker than that. And you know, with with Rebecca, 129 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 2: we have a young woman who is this far along 130 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:46,839 Speaker 2: in her pregnancy. Dude, She's not surrounded by anybody that 131 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 2: can provide any kind of substantive care for her at all. 132 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 2: All we know is that she's missing, and she's out 133 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 2: there all alone in Michigan, in nova and she's at 134 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 2: full term. And again, that makes the most resilient among 135 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 2: us kind of shaking our boots a little bit. And 136 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 2: back to the idea that when you're on a search 137 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 2: team and you're looking for somebody, just like on the 138 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 2: obg Y n Ward, you're thinking you have hope. Right, 139 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 2: searchers have hope too. They're not going out, Dave, to 140 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 2: find a deceased person. There is that kernel of hope 141 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 2: that is within them where they're hoping that they're going 142 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 2: to find her safe and protected, that there is going 143 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 2: to be a celebration, if you will, that they have 144 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 2: found her securedor and Dave, that's just not the case here, brother. 145 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: You know, I'm so glad you pointed that out because 146 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: there was a show on It's on Netflix right now 147 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: and it's out of South Carolina. It's missing anyway, they 148 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: had they were doing an episode of a missing child, 149 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: and they sucked me in early, and based on how 150 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 1: the mother was acting in just the scene and everything, 151 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, this kid's gone, you know, and they're 152 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: searching in the woods, and it's like, I just they 153 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,719 Speaker 1: found this child. Okay, he's a toddler, And they did 154 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: find him out in the woods after a number of hours, 155 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: I mean, And it was a great feeling. I'm not 156 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: kidding as I was watching that, because I didn't think 157 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: they were going to find an actual child, because we 158 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: don't get those stories very often, and in this particular case, 159 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: there was hope at first that they would find her. 160 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: But you know what, Joe, you mentioned, it's cold. She's 161 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,559 Speaker 1: last scene at her mother's house getting into a car, 162 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: a dark colored car, And there was enough bad about 163 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: this that that was the tone. She's last scene getting 164 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: into a dark colored car on November three at her 165 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: mother's And I have to go back to this because 166 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: when they first reported her mother, I just assumed that, 167 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: like most people at her mother's house, the mother of 168 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: the raised her, you know, But that's not the case. No, 169 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: this mother that reported that she was last seen with 170 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: is actually a boy named Courtney Bartholomew. Courtney Bartholomew did 171 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: not raise Rebecca or her sister, and we don't know 172 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: when she came back into their life, but she was 173 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: the biological mother, but did not raise and they were 174 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: raised by adoptive parents. I want to point that out 175 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: because what's coming up next is, as Paul Harvey used 176 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: to say, the rest of the story. 177 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I can tell you this. This search party 178 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 2: that had been formed and they were feverishly looking for Rebecca. 179 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 2: They did find her, and unfortunately, when they found her 180 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 2: in this dark forested area, on that dirty forest floor, 181 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 2: the circumstances, it's not like she's found. How can I 182 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 2: say this intact, She's found three weeks downrange from the 183 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 2: point time when she was last seen, in a state 184 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 2: that we can only think is in decay. And the 185 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 2: baby that we're so hopeful for it's not there. It's 186 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 2: not there. All we have are the remains of Rebecca 187 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 2: laying on the ground. Her body, by all accounts at 188 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 2: this point, has been greatly traumatized, and the story that 189 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 2: her body reveals is the stuff of nightmares. Brother Dave 190 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 2: The story is so muddled here because there's so many actors. 191 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 2: You know, the shakespeare In comment about you know the 192 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 2: world is a stage, you know, and you've got these 193 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 2: actors that come back and forth. Boy, this is there's 194 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 2: quite a cast here, I have to say. And I 195 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 2: think that this all begins with this biological sister. Who 196 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 2: remind me of did you say that or isn't it 197 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 2: out there that the sister Rebecca is like twenty two 198 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 2: and the sisters twenty one on one? 199 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're very close in age. They were both adopted 200 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 1: by their biological mother is Courtney Bartholomew, who's forty years old. Now, 201 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:46,239 Speaker 1: Courtney Bartholomew did not raise her girls. An adoptive parents 202 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: took them and raised them. And now it is Courtney 203 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: Bartholime the viol that's who is last scene with Rebecca. 204 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: Her sister Kim is twenty one. Now I didn't want 205 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: to add one quick thing. Yeah, on this day, November three, 206 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: Rebecca had inherited two thousand dollars, so she had two 207 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: grand in cash with her and I'm wondering what that 208 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: may have come into play because she's got two grand. 209 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: Last person's caesar is the biological mother who did not 210 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: raise her, and she goes missing. The day she has 211 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: found on November twenty fifth by volunteers. Volunteers found the 212 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: body of Rebecca k. Park in the woods while they 213 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: were looking for her. But that day you and I 214 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: were on the phone, because on November twenty fifth, they arrested. 215 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: Police arrested her fiancee and her sister. Now, Rebecca's fiance 216 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: is a forty seven year old drug dealer. His name 217 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: is Richard. What's his age again? Forty three? 218 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's forty three and she's twenty two. 219 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: Right, And to be very very specific here, Richard Fowler 220 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: at forty three is older than Rebecca's biological mother, who's 221 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: only forty okay. Now, Kimberly Park twenty one, the little 222 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: sister of Rebecca. Again, Rebecca thirty eight weeks pregnant, gone 223 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: for three weeks. Her body is found in the woods 224 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: and there's no baby, and her fiance, her forty three 225 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: year old fiance, Richard Fowler, is arrested and her twenty 226 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: one year old little sister, Kimberly is arrested. Now this 227 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: is the interesting part, Joe. I remember I was on 228 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: the phone with you on November twenty fifth, when this happened, 229 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: and I said, hey, what do you think you know? 230 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: Because were they having a relationship? What was going on? 231 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: You know, try to figure this out. No, they arrest 232 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: Richard Fowler. He's a drug deal. He was arraigned on 233 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: two counts of delivering methamphetamine. He's got a million dollars bond. 234 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: That's not a little yeah, Kimberly Park. The victim's sister, 235 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: Rebecca is twenty two and dead. We don't know what 236 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: happened to her baby, and is charged with this Joe 237 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: tampering with evidence, okay, lying to a police officer, and 238 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: filing a false report. 239 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 2: He likes, Oh my lord, Okay. So it's at that point, 240 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 2: you know, because you and I have discussed this before, 241 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 2: and will I'll beat this drum until the day I 242 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 2: close my eyes in eternal sleep. You're more at risk 243 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 2: with the intimates in your life than you are with 244 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 2: total strangers, okay. And I think that anybody is potentially 245 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 2: capable of anything. I find it interesting also that you 246 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 2: put this element in here, of the two thousand dollars 247 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 2: that she suddenly come into at this point in time, 248 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 2: and you're talking about a man who has gotten her pregnant. 249 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 2: He's a drug deal I don't you know. I don't 250 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 2: know if he is a drug user. I would say 251 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:11,439 Speaker 2: if I were a betting man, that might be the case. 252 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 2: Money can really tempt people and drive people to do 253 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 2: incredible things. I'm not saying that he's necessarily involved. You'd 254 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 2: said that he's not charged in her disappearance at all. 255 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 2: But go back to this baby sister. She's charged with 256 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 2: filing a false police report right, lying to the police. 257 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: Right. 258 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 2: You know, I gotta tell you certain things are not 259 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 2: adding up here, but I can tell you this going 260 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 2: back to Rebecca when they found her in this wooded area. 261 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 2: You know, we had gotten information about this case. We've 262 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 2: kind of held off on talking about it, but I'll 263 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 2: go ahead and let the cat out of the back. 264 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 2: At this moment, there had been information that was floating 265 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 2: about that not only was the baby missing when she 266 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 2: was found, but Dave, there's some indication that when she 267 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 2: is initially observed, she sustained some kind of significant abdominal trauma. 268 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 2: And it has to be significant. And let me tell 269 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 2: you why. Because downrange we talk a lot about post 270 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 2: warum interval here and we've talked a lot about decomposition. 271 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 2: I think that we even did an entire episode we 272 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 2: voted to decomposition on body backs, and we probably will 273 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 2: revisit that again. If you're able at a scene to 274 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 2: delineate between decomposition of a body that's been down for 275 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 2: three weeks now maybe if we're using that date of 276 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:56,880 Speaker 2: November three, if you're able to delineate between decompositional artifact 277 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 2: and trauma, the trauma must be unimaginable. I can only imagine. 278 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 2: My heart goes out to these people that. Again I 279 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 2: go back to that word of hope. They're holding out 280 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 2: hope that they can actually save her in some way, 281 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 2: you know, return her to safety. That's not the case 282 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 2: here what they witnessed. And I cannot even begin to 283 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 2: fathom how the search party, and particularly the person that 284 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 2: put their eyes on her first, they're going to be 285 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 2: able to process this. This is something that will haunt 286 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 2: them the rest of their lives, because you know pregnant women, 287 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 2: you think about how vulnerable they are. You're hoping that 288 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 2: you can find them, and that's just not the case here. 289 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 2: What they found was a woman that had apparently been 290 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 2: severely traumatized and She's been left and discarded out in 291 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 2: these woods like garbage. 292 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: For three weeks. Joe, Now what's her body going to 293 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: be like in three weeks time? The areas that were injured, 294 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 1: you know, being stabbed, cut, whatever, aren't those areas going 295 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: to dec in that area quicker than other parts of 296 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: her body? 297 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,880 Speaker 2: Holy smokes, you've been listening to what I've been preaching 298 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 2: now for all this time. I feel, Okay, this is it. 299 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 2: My work here is done. Let's revisit this just for 300 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 2: a second. Anytime a body is traumatized in any way, 301 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 2: Let's say it's a cut or even a gunshot woman, 302 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 2: and I'd say a bludgeoning as well, particularly where the 303 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 2: tissue is open, and it accelerates this process of decomposition, 304 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 2: so over a three week period. And I don't know 305 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 2: environmentally what the attempts have been in Michigan at this point. 306 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 2: I know that I have friends that live in Michigan, 307 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 2: and I love going to Michigan, particularly you know, up 308 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 2: around Traverse City and all of this. I know that 309 00:20:54,080 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 2: they get snows in Michigan. They always measure when they 310 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 2: receive their first snowfall by Halloween. I've had friends that 311 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 2: are up there that said that they've trick or treated 312 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 2: in snow before whatever it is, you know, which for 313 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,679 Speaker 2: us down here in the South is something that's so odd. 314 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 2: But yeah, it's going to be you have to balance 315 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 2: that against you know, environmental temperatures. We know that heat 316 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 2: speeds things up. But if a body is traumatized already, Dave, 317 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 2: and it's left out, you know, it's subjected to the environment, 318 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:31,880 Speaker 2: it will rapidly accelerate. It's going to accelerate the process 319 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:36,919 Speaker 2: of decomposition, particularly when you're talking about any kind of 320 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 2: abdominal injury. Okay, you've already got little nasties that are existing, 321 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 2: you know, within our bowel. If that area, that space 322 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 2: has been compromised at all, it'll even further exacerbate the 323 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 2: process of decomposition. So I think that what we the 324 00:21:54,960 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 2: takeaway here is that they would have had to have 325 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 2: controlled that scene very carefully, because if she were to 326 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 2: have been killed in that location, you're not just looking 327 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 2: at decompositional artifact with things like we talked about decompetitial 328 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 2: fluids and all those sorts of things, David. If she 329 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 2: was killed in that spot, and I have to assume 330 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 2: that she was you're gonna have blood depositions surrounding that area. 331 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 2: So if you think about fallen leaves on a forest floor, 332 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 2: did you know that we can actually pick up on 333 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 2: blood droplets on leaves, But you have to be very 334 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 2: very careful. You have to control that space. Once you 335 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 2: find the body, it's like, thank you for your assistance, 336 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 2: Everybody back out. At this point in time, we're throwing 337 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 2: up a barricade of something you know, the yellow tape, 338 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 2: and only certain people are allowed in this case. In particular, 339 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 2: out there in that location would take such a protracted 340 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 2: period of time to process because you're dealing with a 341 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 2: lot of unknowns here. What we do know is that 342 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 2: we've got a woman that has previously been identified as 343 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 2: having been pregnant. You have to take that into consideration. 344 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 2: And you don't know the path that she came in on, 345 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 2: or that those that brought her to that location. We 346 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 2: don't know what path they use to approach the location 347 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 2: where she is killed. That's going to be very fragile. 348 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,719 Speaker 2: Then all of the blood deposition that is there surrounding 349 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 2: her body is going to be very fragile. We're talking 350 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 2: about footprints, which in a forested area where many times 351 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 2: you have that kind of I don't know, loamy kind 352 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 2: of soil. Impression evidence is going to be key here 353 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 2: as well. If she was killed in that location, we 354 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 2: have to assume and particularly if she's pregnant, she's going 355 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 2: to be lying down. You can actually pick up many times, Dave, 356 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 2: I've actually seen this where you can see where perpetrators 357 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 2: kneeled beside bodies. Wow, you can't say definitively that this 358 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 2: is the mark of a knee, but you can speculate 359 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 2: on that, you know, when you're trying to understand the 360 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 2: movements of potential perpetrator. So this area is just rife 361 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 2: with fragile evidence in here, and I'll be very curious 362 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 2: to see how they process this and is there any 363 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 2: way to tie back I think specific say impression evidence 364 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 2: related to footprints, movement. How many people were in this 365 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 2: party that took her out there. It's got to be 366 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 2: more than just one person. We've got a sister that's 367 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 2: already been charged. What kind of information did she know? 368 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 2: Was she physically present there when this happened? 369 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: Based on the charges, you kind of can lead that away. 370 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 1: And by the way, I did look up the temperatures 371 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: I wanted to know this because there was on average 372 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 1: about thirty four degrees in this in Wexford County where 373 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: this it took place in Michigan. But during the course 374 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: between November third and November twenty fifth, when every body 375 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 1: was found, they had the lowest temperature of the month 376 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 1: happened on the nineteenth and it was thirteen degrees. Wow, 377 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 1: the highest brid dread the month, and it was a 378 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: major anomaly. It was fifty six degrees on November fifteenth. 379 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: So in a four day window, you have a higher 380 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,719 Speaker 1: fifty six and the low of thirteen. And you know 381 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: that's pretty that's a big disparity of temperature. And yet 382 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 1: you've got really cool temperatures. What about Okay, we've got 383 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: to deal with rodents, animals. You're out in the woods. 384 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 1: What if the body was killed somewhere else and brought 385 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: to this place and dumped? 386 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 2: Well, if if she were to have been killed in 387 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 2: another location. I began to think about conveyances at that 388 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 2: point in tom Okay, because we've had cases where individuals 389 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 2: have been killed obviously I'm stating the obvious here, have 390 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 2: been killed in other locations and then dumped. But they've 391 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 2: got to tell you there's information that's kind of coming 392 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 2: to light that kind of sounds like that ain't the 393 00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 2: case here. But going back to conveyances, if you think 394 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 2: about motor vehicles, you mentioned at the top that we've 395 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 2: got this kind of mysterious vehicle that she's placed into, 396 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 2: or that she's maybe lured or compelled to get into 397 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 2: by threats. We don't really know, And she's now moved 398 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 2: out to that direction. I want to know what did 399 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 2: the sister know? When did she know it? It's kind 400 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 2: of interesting too, this quote unquote, and I'm using this 401 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 2: term very loosely, this father of the child, what did 402 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 2: he know? But it sounds as though that he I 403 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 2: don't know if he's he just happens to have been 404 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 2: kind of a peripheral character here. Did he actually have 405 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 2: knowledge of what was going on? But isn't it interesting 406 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 2: that they hooked him up on charges as well? Almost 407 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 2: can we say sopaneously. 408 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: Yes, At the day, the day that her body was found, 409 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: he's charged with two counts of well, first they weren't 410 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,120 Speaker 1: told that, we didn't tell us the charges. They put 411 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: him in jail and her sister in jail the same 412 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 1: day that she was found, and didn't have charges on 413 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,959 Speaker 1: him at first. The charges came later, and that's when 414 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 1: they hooked him up on two counts of delivering metamphetamine 415 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,719 Speaker 1: before the judge even set his bail at one million dollars. 416 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 1: Then Kimberly, the sister who's twenty one, was arranged the 417 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: same day on charges of tampering with evidence, lying to 418 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: a police officer, and filing a false report. Now it's 419 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 1: unclear if those charges are related to the case of 420 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 1: her sister who's dead and a baby that's missing, but Joe, 421 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 1: her bail is set at seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars. 422 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 2: Oh loose smokes. 423 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: The information that we have about who Rebecca was last with, 424 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 1: seen getting into a dark colored car comes from her 425 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 1: biological mother, who lo and behold was the reason I 426 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 1: called you today. 427 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 2: Let me hang on, let me hover over the sister 428 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 2: one more time? Would give me that number again. 429 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: The bail for her seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars, 430 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: and the charges are tampering with evidence, lying to a 431 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: police officer, and filing a false report. 432 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 2: Why fifty thou? Why that huge number? The only thing 433 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 2: I can think of is I don't know from and 434 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 2: again I'm not a prosecutor or a judge obviously don't 435 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 2: want to be, trust me. The word that comes to 436 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 2: mind is leverage. That is a huge number to hang 437 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 2: on a twenty one year old. I don't know if 438 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 2: she's got priors. I have no idea, but you know, 439 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 2: and yeah, I mean those charges are you know that 440 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 2: those things that she has been charged with are quite egregious. 441 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 2: But three quarters of a million dollars they're holding her 442 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 2: on at this point in time, I don't know. I 443 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 2: don't know if these people are people of means. I 444 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 2: would say probably not, because at least in Rebecca circle, 445 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 2: she's in an intimate relationship with a guy who is 446 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 2: essentially delivering meth and they've hooked him up on two charges. 447 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 2: I don't think that this guy has got you know, 448 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 2: like stashes of cash laying around necessarily, So what would 449 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 2: be the purpose of putting these astronomical numbers on them 450 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 2: other than the fact they're trying to get more information? 451 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 2: And I can tell you this, the police, as it 452 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 2: turns out, do have a virtual cornucopia of information that 453 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 2: is going to reveal something that is so dark and 454 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 2: so evil that I don't know that we can completely 455 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 2: describe it without breaking down tears. That brings us to today. Dave, Oh, 456 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 2: my lord, and I'll go ahead and let all of 457 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 2: our friends know you and I are speaking about this 458 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:29,239 Speaker 2: on December twenty twenty five. As of today, we've got 459 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 2: additional people that have been charged in this case, Brother Dave, 460 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,719 Speaker 2: let me have it. Let me know what we have got. Man. 461 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: You know, there is one person who's actually proud of 462 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 1: this broadcast today is because we didn't lead with what 463 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: we normally do. We actually carried it through. Because this 464 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: is the reason we're doing this story today. When Joe 465 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,719 Speaker 1: first brought this story up, it was because you were 466 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: being asked to talk about this missing pregnant woman, then 467 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: missing pregnant wom who's found in the woods. You know, well, 468 00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: now we have discovered Courtney Bartholomew, the forty year old 469 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: biological mother who did not raise Rebecca or her sister Kimberly, 470 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: but is the mother, and they keep referring to her 471 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 1: as the mother. She's now been charged, as has Bradley Bartholomew, 472 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: Courtney's husband, who's forty seven, and they keep referring to 473 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: Courtney and Bradley as the parents. They are not the 474 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 1: parents of Rebecca. Okay, Courtney is the biological mother. Today. 475 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: Both the biological mother and her husband were charged with 476 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: one count of first degree murder, one count of felony murder, 477 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: one count of torture, one count of conspiracy to commit torture, 478 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: one count of assault on a pregnant individual causing miscarriage 479 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: still birth, and one count of conspiracy to commit assault 480 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 1: on a pregnant individual causing miscarriage still birth. 481 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 2: My lord, that is a lot of information to digest. 482 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 2: There's also charged. 483 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: With They were also charged with one count of unlawful imprisonment. 484 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah, sorry, okay, let's just start with that charge, 485 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 2: unlawful imprisonment and you use the T word there, torture. Yeah, okay. 486 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 2: So the police have enough information at this point in 487 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 2: time to kind of paint a picture for us. The 488 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 2: one thing that look, I'm very interested in Rebecca, but Dave, 489 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 2: huh you mentioned it one of the big Kimberly. I'm sorry, 490 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 2: you mentioned Kimberly in the seven hundred fifty thousand dollars bond. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 491 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 2: she was the source. She has to have been. She 492 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 2: has to have been the source. She's the wellspring that 493 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 2: all of this comes from. The One thing I'm really 494 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 2: curious about is the baby, because to this point we 495 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 2: don't we don't have a child. At least that is 496 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 2: information that's coming out where we say we have a 497 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 2: body of an infant. They're not saying that now. They 498 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 2: are saying that this crime was perpetrated against a pregnant 499 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 2: woman and that she was assaulted in order to was 500 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 2: it induce was it what's the phraseology here in induce 501 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 2: a miscarriage or birth or what's going on with us? 502 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 1: It was they were the charge was committing assault on 503 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: a pregnant individual causing miscarriacter stillbirth, and it's the conspiracy 504 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: to commit assault and the pregnancy being ended through a 505 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: miscarriacter still birth is the result of that, you know, 506 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: the assault. But j let me share something with you 507 00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 1: that we shared in court today. The prosecutor for Wexford County, 508 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: her name is Joanna Carey. She told the judge in 509 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: trying laying out the case and asking for a huge bail, 510 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 1: they bring out a lot of information at these not 511 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 1: all of it, but enough. This is what the prosecutor 512 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 1: told the judge today. Mister Bartholomew brought Rebecca to their home. 513 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 1: He and Courtney forced her Rebecca into another vehicle and 514 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: took her into the woods where they stabbed her, forced 515 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: her to lie on the ground while they cut her 516 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 1: baby out, and ultimately caused her death and the death 517 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:51,359 Speaker 1: of the baby. Then they then left Rebecca in the woods. Joe, 518 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: she was alive while they were cutting the baby out. 519 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: They kept her alive. That's the torture. They were torturing 520 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,760 Speaker 1: her to try to steal the baby, keeping her alive 521 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: and to take the baby. They were trying to get 522 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 1: a live baby out of her. 523 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 2: Okay. So with that said, and thinking about what the 524 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,319 Speaker 2: prosecutor said in the statement that was made in court, 525 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 2: we can kind of put some things together here because 526 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 2: the first statement that she makes is that she was stabbed, 527 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 2: and that's to me, that sounds like menacing, Okay, because 528 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 2: the stabbing necessarily the way they kind of ordered their 529 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 2: comments here, It's like she stabbed, but it's a non 530 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:38,320 Speaker 2: lethal stab. Okay, it's a non lethal sharp force injury. 531 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 2: They're trying to compel her to get into the woods. 532 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 2: Can you imagine the terror here? I can't on any level. 533 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:52,840 Speaker 2: So she stabbed. She's compelled to go into this wooded area, 534 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 2: and oh my lord, you're talking about taking I don't 535 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 2: know the same instrument. Perhaps I doubt. Knowing what I 536 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,799 Speaker 2: know about having worked in the more for years and years, 537 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 2: I can guarantee you I don't think they had a 538 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 2: number two twenty. They had a number twenty two scalpel 539 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:15,960 Speaker 2: blade with you know, with retractors, wow, and forceps and 540 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,800 Speaker 2: everything else that you need in order to facilitate a 541 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 2: cesarean birth in a clinical environment. Oh my god, Dave, 542 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 2: this is so evil. 543 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,719 Speaker 1: So hey, Joe, there's another line in here that they 544 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 1: got to give you. You're ready. The prosecutor called it 545 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 1: a case of premeditated torture and murder, alleging that the 546 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: Bartholomew's created a plan and conducted research. 547 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 2: Okay, this harkens back to a case that I've talked 548 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:55,360 Speaker 2: about before, cases with the piked in Massacre. Been involved 549 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,279 Speaker 2: in that docuseries and the podcast we've covered. Dave and 550 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,720 Speaker 2: I have covered it, and that was where one family 551 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 2: killed another family on one night. They had four different 552 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 2: crime scenes, eight people dead. I've often wondered, how do 553 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 2: you get to this point just from dare I say 554 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 2: a morality standpoint where you're sitting around the kitchen table, 555 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 2: because Dave, you're talking about planning now and research to boot. 556 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 2: You're sitting around the kitchen table and you're saying, just 557 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 2: like they did in Piked, and this is what we're 558 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 2: going to do, and that this is what you come 559 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 2: up with. You're going to go out taking a pregnant 560 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 2: woman who is full term by the way, take her 561 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:40,759 Speaker 2: out there and torture her in order to extract a 562 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,880 Speaker 2: full term baby so that they can do what with 563 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 2: the baby. I have no idea, but you're leaving the 564 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 2: mother there again being tossed out. I think that one 565 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,480 Speaker 2: of the things that's going to be really interesting to 566 00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 2: follow here from a forensic standpoint is not just the 567 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,360 Speaker 2: level of decomposition and the PMI and all that stuff 568 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,800 Speaker 2: that we talk about, but also I want to understand 569 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,840 Speaker 2: the status of these injuries. Okay, because what was mentioned 570 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 2: here is that she has been stabbed. So going on 571 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 2: what the prosecutors saying, that stab wound obviously is going 572 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:22,719 Speaker 2: to have hemorrhage in the wound track, okay, and even 573 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,080 Speaker 2: in the state of decomposition, we can pick up on 574 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 2: that Okay, However, as we begin to move down her 575 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 2: body and we think about this insult that has taken 576 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 2: place in her abdominal region, on my Lord Dave, is 577 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,360 Speaker 2: their hemorrhage in that area? Because if there is hemorrhage 578 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,279 Speaker 2: in that area where this incision has been made with 579 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,439 Speaker 2: whatever kind of rudimentary tool that they have brought with them, 580 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 2: if there is hemorrhage in there, if they did not 581 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 2: wait for her to bleed out and die, and do 582 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,800 Speaker 2: this in a post warm state, this this reaches depths. 583 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 2: I was going to say, heights. This reaches depths that 584 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:05,920 Speaker 2: I don't know that you and I have really probed 585 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:10,280 Speaker 2: before here on body backs, because there will be distinct 586 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:15,520 Speaker 2: injuries if they are doing some kind of some kind 587 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,759 Speaker 2: of rudimentary cesarean incision on her where in that wound track, 588 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 2: as that blade is drug across the surface of her skin, 589 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,520 Speaker 2: where you will see focal areas of hemorrhage, she will 590 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,600 Speaker 2: have to be restrained. That's why this would have taken 591 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 2: more than one person. If she's found in say and okay, 592 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 2: and let me go back just a second. If she 593 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,839 Speaker 2: is found lying in a supine position, which means face up, 594 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,680 Speaker 2: my thought is someone would have to a minimum hold 595 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,240 Speaker 2: her shoulders down on the ground while the other person 596 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,719 Speaker 2: is wielding this instrument to drag across her abdomen. And 597 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 2: it's not just making a superficial cut day. We're talking 598 00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 2: about a cut that's going to go through the dermis. 599 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,719 Speaker 2: It's going to go through the subcy fat, through the 600 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:07,280 Speaker 2: fascia that's in there, to get down actually to the womb, 601 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 2: to open the womb, to get through the placenta, and 602 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,919 Speaker 2: then to extricate the baby. At that moment in time, 603 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:20,600 Speaker 2: I only pray, I only pray that she passed out 604 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,080 Speaker 2: as a result of blood loss, that she did not 605 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:28,600 Speaker 2: have an awareness that this was occurring. Because when this 606 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,520 Speaker 2: thing is presented in court and if we have an 607 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,400 Speaker 2: indication now, because it sounds like the prosecutor they have 608 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 2: a lot of data here, this is going to be 609 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:42,080 Speaker 2: a tail so dark that I can't imagine that this 610 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 2: would even be defensible. You cannot say. I don't think 611 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,920 Speaker 2: that any right thinking person can actually say, well, this 612 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,440 Speaker 2: was a case of temporary insanity. You know, no, no, no, no, 613 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 2: that's not going to work in this case. You've got 614 00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 2: two people that purposed in their life to rob this 615 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,399 Speaker 2: woman of her life and also, as it turns out, 616 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,359 Speaker 2: the life of her unborn child, who at this point 617 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,200 Speaker 2: she's thirty eight weeks dave. This baby is viable. But 618 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,920 Speaker 2: they're saying now, according to the charges, that this was 619 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,600 Speaker 2: apparently a still birth. Going back to the sister in 620 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,399 Speaker 2: this point of leverage, what did she know and when 621 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,040 Speaker 2: did she know it? Is this something? Was she present 622 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:31,400 Speaker 2: for this? Did she stand by and watch as her 623 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:38,279 Speaker 2: biological sibling is tortured and literally, I don't know how 624 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:43,600 Speaker 2: to say it, disemboweled there in that forest. Did she 625 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,440 Speaker 2: watch that or was this conveyed to her? You know? 626 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,520 Speaker 2: Did these two alleged perpetrators did they come back home 627 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:54,760 Speaker 2: and say, well, yeah, the baby didn't make it. Still 628 00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:59,520 Speaker 2: I have to say, where is the baby? You know, 629 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,719 Speaker 2: because they're talking about stillbirth. That tells me that the 630 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,279 Speaker 2: baby is deceased. So where is the baby? Was the 631 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,520 Speaker 2: baby at the scene? It sounds like the baby wasn't 632 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,279 Speaker 2: because they've said over and over again that you've got 633 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:17,920 Speaker 2: this young woman twenty two years old, Rebecca, who's found 634 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:23,320 Speaker 2: with her abdomen literally open and left in this forested area. 635 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,239 Speaker 2: Where did they take the baby and where did they 636 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,560 Speaker 2: deposit the baby? What's the status of the baby. Did 637 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,440 Speaker 2: the baby here's another question, Dave, did that baby ever 638 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:37,560 Speaker 2: draw breath? Okay, did that baby ever draw breath? Was 639 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:41,000 Speaker 2: that baby living outside of the womb at that point 640 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:45,040 Speaker 2: in time? How long did this event? I was going 641 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,839 Speaker 2: to say procedure, This is not a procedure. How long 642 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:52,520 Speaker 2: did this horror last? Did when mom died? Finally? Did 643 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,120 Speaker 2: the baby die in utero? Did they not get to 644 00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,040 Speaker 2: the baby in tom You know, we've covered other cases 645 00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,360 Speaker 2: like this. I recall a case out of the Judas. 646 00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,919 Speaker 2: There was another case in Chicago. There was a case 647 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:08,840 Speaker 2: where was it in Oklahoma or Kansas? Or in Kansas 648 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:09,920 Speaker 2: where this is. 649 00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,120 Speaker 1: Lisa Montgomery was just put to death over that one 650 00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,759 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago where she lured the woman 651 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:20,320 Speaker 1: over a dog, a pregnant woman and ended up choking 652 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,400 Speaker 1: around and taking the baby and the woman's die and 653 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,759 Speaker 1: she was convicted and sentenced to death, and they just 654 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:26,640 Speaker 1: it took years, but they finally did put her to 655 00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:30,040 Speaker 1: death with Joe. I think the charge, the charging here 656 00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:34,920 Speaker 1: actually tells us what happened to the baby. Both Courtney 657 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,839 Speaker 1: Bartholomew and her husband Bradley were charged with first degree murder, 658 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,000 Speaker 1: one kind of felony murder, one kind of torture, one 659 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:48,360 Speaker 1: kind of conspiracy to commit torture, one count of assault 660 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:58,439 Speaker 1: on a pregnant individual causing miscarriage, stillbirth, miscarriage and still 661 00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,319 Speaker 1: means the baby was not very thing, did not breathe, right. 662 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,120 Speaker 2: I would, yeah, I would. I would think so if 663 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:08,080 Speaker 2: they're if they're talking about this is not okay, this 664 00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:12,319 Speaker 2: is not a miscarriage. A miscarriage implies that that's that's 665 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,640 Speaker 2: kind of a natural event. You could say that she miscarried. 666 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:24,000 Speaker 1: That's the charge assault on a pregnant individual causing a miscarriage. Yeah, 667 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:24,680 Speaker 1: there are. 668 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,640 Speaker 2: Cases out there there, Yeah, there are there are cases 669 00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:32,880 Speaker 2: out there where you have pregnant, uh, pregnant women that 670 00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,160 Speaker 2: have been kicked in the abdomen and that results in 671 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:41,040 Speaker 2: a miscarriage. Okay, But to say still born, if you 672 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,640 Speaker 2: take that component of the law and the charge there, 673 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,440 Speaker 2: that gives you an indication that the baby was deceased 674 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:51,240 Speaker 2: at that point in Tom, I think here here's another 675 00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:57,520 Speaker 2: bit to this, because if I remember correctly, Scott Peterson, right, okay, 676 00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,560 Speaker 2: with him, they doubled up on him. Is there another 677 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,120 Speaker 2: charge to follow with this. Are they going to say 678 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,919 Speaker 2: that this is in fact a double homicide? In my worldview, yeah, 679 00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,239 Speaker 2: this is a double homicide here. So you're not just 680 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:17,560 Speaker 2: looking at Rebecca's murder, Okay, you're also looking at a 681 00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:22,799 Speaker 2: homicide a murder of this baby as well. I think 682 00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,239 Speaker 2: that there's probably we had to hop on and do this. 683 00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,560 Speaker 2: I think that there is going to be a lot 684 00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:33,040 Speaker 2: more to come information wise. I'm going to be very 685 00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,920 Speaker 2: interested in a couple of things here. I want to know, 686 00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,920 Speaker 2: First off, did they ply her with anything? Did she 687 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,040 Speaker 2: have any drugs on board at all? And I'm not 688 00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:48,520 Speaker 2: saying she was using drugs, I'm saying did they did 689 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:52,080 Speaker 2: they give her anything? Did they harm her in any way? 690 00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,800 Speaker 2: I want to know that relative to her toxicology. And 691 00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,800 Speaker 2: I want to know I want to know exactly what 692 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,239 Speaker 2: happened to this baby, where the baby wound up, and 693 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,879 Speaker 2: what was the motivation behind this. I don't know. More 694 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:13,120 Speaker 2: shall be revealed until then. We'll keep you abreast as 695 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:18,040 Speaker 2: further data comes out. I'm Joseph Scott Morton and this 696 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:20,040 Speaker 2: is body Bags