1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,640 Speaker 1: Welcome bird Gang. On today's show, we examined the secondary 2 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: with a big and that's putting it mildly emphasis on cornerback. 3 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: It may be the one position group that we can 4 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 1: definitely say must be addressed in both free agency and 5 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,319 Speaker 1: the draft. In other words, a lot of work needs 6 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:26,479 Speaker 1: to be done first. Though, was Kyler Murray a top 7 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: ten quarterback in twenty twenty? The answer straight ahead. It's 8 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:35,639 Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two, episode three ninety four, and it starts now. 9 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two with Craig grigolew and Mike Jarecki. 10 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of 11 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts. Visit asy 12 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: Cardinals dot com Slash podcasts. Murray rolls to the right, 13 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,319 Speaker 1: throws near site of fence. Bob pts into the ends 14 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: off to the touchdown. Here's Craig Griolu and Mike Jarecki 15 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 1: by the way. Glad to see we all survived our 16 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:11,119 Speaker 1: first non football weekend in quite some time. Still, some 17 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: football news and I found this interest in mj NFL 18 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: dot Com ranked the fifty nine starting quarterbacks of the 19 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: twenty twenty season. Now you're asking fifty nine, I had 20 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,119 Speaker 1: the same question in my own mind. Yes, fifty nine 21 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 1: different quarterbacks started at least one game in twenty twenty. 22 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: And no, we are not counting Kendall Hinton, the Broncos 23 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: wide receiver off the practice squad, had to start a 24 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 1: game earlier this season because of COVID nineteen restrictions. No, 25 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: he did not make this list, but the NFL dot 26 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: com writing staff ranked the best quarterbacks regular season and 27 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: postseason included quoting past performances and future projections were not 28 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: taken into accounts. Rather, this list is meant to reflect 29 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: each quarterback stood in a twenty twenty campaign alone. Of course, 30 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: Cardinal fans asking did Kyler Murray make the list? Yes, 31 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: the question is where where would you hope to see? 32 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: Without giving it away just yet, where would you hope 33 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty Kyler Murray would rank among the fifty 34 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: nine quarterbacks overall top twelve to top fifteen. And you know, 35 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: if you go back, and we didn't think it was 36 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: realistic when it came to the MVP, but he was 37 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 1: in the MVP conversation when his team was five and 38 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: two and six and three, and he was that dual threat, 39 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: and he was on pace to throw for over four 40 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,119 Speaker 1: thousand yards. He was on pace to rush for over 41 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: a thousand yards. You know, you look at him scoring 42 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 1: a rushing touchdown and a throwing a touchdown. I mean, 43 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: he said NFL records. So I would think twelve to fifteen. 44 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: Unfortunately doesn't include the playoffs as you mentioned, but I 45 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 1: would think twelve to fifteen because you know, we had 46 00:02:57,639 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 1: fourteen teams to make the playoffs. Now, not every quarter 47 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: back was great down the stretch summer, relied on some 48 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: of their defense. But I would say twelve to fifteen 49 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: if I had a guest top fifteen, that's fair, and 50 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: I think that's where we all anticipate because, as you mentioned, 51 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: the Cardinals did not make the postseason. Well, here let's 52 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: give me the top ten first of all, and the 53 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 1: first five Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, Deshaun Watson, 54 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: Josh Allen. Four of those five quarterbacks made the postseason. 55 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: Watson did not, but statistically speaking, he was just off 56 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: the charts. So those are the first five quarterbacks. Any 57 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: disagreement with those first five not at all, And you 58 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: could make the case, if Watson won more games, he 59 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,839 Speaker 1: would have been in the MVP conversation. Josh Allen, he 60 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: was in the conversation. Unfortunately, Aaron Rodgers had a great 61 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: year and then he'd thrown Patrick Mahomes his quarterback to 62 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: touchdown the interception ratio in the wins. These all five 63 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: of these guys are all worthy. And again we're talking 64 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: regular season and postseason, all right, The next five Russell Wilson, 65 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: Mar Jackson, Ryan Tannehill, justin Herbert's and checking in at 66 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: number ten, Kyler Murray. According to the riding staff at 67 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: NFL dot com, Kyler Murray twenty twenty was a top 68 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: ten quarterback. Wow, I'm looking. I want to go through 69 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson because according to the list, we're looking at 70 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: weeks one through five nineteen over three touchdown interception ratio, 71 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 1: seventy three percent close to nine yards per play, quarterback 72 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: rating one twenty nine point eight. Fast forward weeks seven 73 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: to eighteen, it was twenty three over eleven completion percentage 74 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 1: down quarterback ratings. So I would have put him a 75 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: little bit lower. I know it's the body of work 76 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 1: he started off grade, but they did not play well 77 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 1: down the stretching. I guess you can make the case 78 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: from Murray, but I would have Wilson a little bit 79 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: lower than number six. And justin Herbert again his first 80 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,679 Speaker 1: season with the Chargers, but a very good first season. 81 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: And maybe if you're Kyla Murray and you're yes, you're 82 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl selection, you want to be ranked ahead 83 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: of Herbert. But I just think statistically speaking, as far 84 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 1: as a drop back quarterback and a passing quarterback, Herbert 85 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,239 Speaker 1: I think maybe shown a little bit more this past 86 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 1: season than Kyler Murray has. But again top ten for 87 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray and just ahead of Baker Mayfield, Derek Carr, 88 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford, Matt Ryan, and Kirk Cousins. Those were the 89 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: next five quarterbacks behind Kyler Murray. And this was what 90 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: was written on Kyler Murray coming in at number ten 91 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: in year two. Kyler really showed us what he can 92 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: do with his legs. The guy just moves differently, but 93 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: he still has plenty of room for improvement as a 94 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: traditional passer. This is a tantalizing, terrifying thought depending on 95 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: your routine interests. Two sentences that I think aptly describe 96 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: what we all anticipate with the Cardinals drafted number one 97 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: overall a couple of years ago, with his ability to 98 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: throw from the pockets and then also scramble and then 99 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: run for ten fifteen yards or in this past season 100 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: of course, eleven touchdowns. Yeah, and you know Dak Prescott's 101 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: on the list. We know he was injured. You look 102 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: at Drew Brees. I mean, Drew Brees had a good year, 103 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: twenty seven touchdowns, missed some games, nine interceptions. He looked 104 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: at Ben Roethlisberger obviously, you know they go as Ben goes, 105 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: and we know that they had a little bit of 106 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: trouble down the stretch and they weren't able to, you know, 107 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: go deep into the playoffs. Ryan Fitzpatrick did a nice job. 108 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: Jeric Goff, you know, towards the end they obviously wanted 109 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: to bench him, and now he's on another team. So 110 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: interesting how the list is performed. Again, I would have 111 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: thought maybe Drew Brees would be a little bit higher 112 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,559 Speaker 1: Dak Prescott if he played this year, he would because 113 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 1: I believe it or not, he had better numbers as 114 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: some of these quarterbacks that started, and he only played 115 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: a handful of games. So I would think Prescott would 116 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: be in the top ten. But the interesting thing about 117 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 1: Murray and Justin Herbert is back to back Rookies of 118 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 1: the Year And you know, I feel about the afc 119 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: CO quarterbacks under twenty six and under in the NFC 120 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: that it's not as much. But I like the fact that, 121 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: you know, even though he throws the ball, you know, 122 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: and doesn't run as much, you can still win different ways. 123 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: And obviously I'm I think that you know, MIMU may 124 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: be having second thoughts about two of versus Justin Herbert. 125 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: Two seasons of Kyler Murray a lot to like, but 126 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: there is also a lot to look forward to. As 127 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: far as that jump now from year two to year three, 128 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: I think we all anticipate to see growth out of 129 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray and maybe it was unfair to think that 130 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: we could see it from year one to year two 131 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: like we saw out of Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson. 132 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: Still there is an upward trajectory for Kyler Murray as 133 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: a quarterback. But to their point on what they wrote 134 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: as far as a quote traditional passer, yes he can 135 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: make all the throws, but can you do it in 136 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: the pocket? Can you do it on the run? And 137 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: that latter point is something that you have brought up often. Yeah, 138 00:07:56,320 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: and you know sometimes it takes time. But he would 139 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: think with his background in baseball, and he really was 140 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: only a one year starter in college even though he 141 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: bounced around, but he got a chance to play at Oklahoma. 142 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: Is throwing on the run. And you know, Aaron Rodgers, 143 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: obviously he's going to be a future Hall of Famer. 144 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: He's a lot older, He's been in a lot of 145 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: different systems. But you look at Patrick Mahomes, you look 146 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: at Josh Allen this year throwing on the run. I 147 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: think Lamar Jackson's got to do a better job with that. 148 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow when he was in there, Baker Mayfield. I mean, 149 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: those guys are not fleet of foot. So I would 150 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: hope that Murray with that baseball background, because what you 151 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: don't want to do do is get out to the outside 152 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 1: of the pocket and then have to stop and make 153 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: a throw. It's got to be it's gotta be fluid, 154 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: it's gotta be in sync to where you see a 155 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: guy either coming back to the ball or going through 156 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 1: the sidelines where you make that throw on the run. 157 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: So and we know that Cliff works with him about 158 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 1: protecting the ball in the pocket and rolling out and 159 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:56,719 Speaker 1: making sure he's on the balls of his feet when 160 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: he's in the pocket so he could step and look 161 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: both ways. Kind of had on a swivel. But I 162 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:03,719 Speaker 1: want to see him run. I want to see him, 163 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: you know, kind of tease the run and then throw 164 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 1: it on the run. And again with his baseball background, 165 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: I think it's possible. It's they got to work on 166 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: it and that's the next step and the developments of 167 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: a young quarterback and these rankings, by the way Bird Gang, 168 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: this is what the off season is mostly about, outside 169 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,079 Speaker 1: of free agency and the draft and whether we get 170 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: any off season programs as far as mini camp, training 171 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: camp and all of this is something that we are 172 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: left to wait and wonder about. But we know that 173 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: there are going to be predictions. There's going to be prognostications, 174 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,079 Speaker 1: and of course there are going to be rankings and poles, 175 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: and when we deem it necessary, we will bring it 176 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: to you here on Cardinals Cover two, presented by Hunday 177 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 1: Proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. Yeah. I mean, I 178 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: think when you get to the off season, we enjoy lists, 179 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:56,359 Speaker 1: but for someone to put out a power ranking today 180 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: without free agency in the draft, I will even read it. 181 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: I mean, let's let's get to the offseason a little 182 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: bit here, because you're basing it on what they did 183 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: last year, and then the Cardinals have twenty eight free agents, 184 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: so how do you gauge with the roster is going 185 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: to look like in September. So I understand it's for clicks, 186 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: and you know, if you if your team's in the 187 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: top ten, you're excited. But at the end of the day, 188 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 1: it's not played on paper. It's played during this season. 189 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: So I look at them, but when it comes out 190 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: in January and early February, I have a hard time 191 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: putting any stock into it. Craig, I just I mean, 192 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: what do you base it on. I mean, you're basing 193 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: it on you know, guys obviously making progress. I get it. 194 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: If you have let's hypothetical would be like the you know, 195 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 1: maybe that maybe the Buccaneers aren't a good example because 196 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: they got a lot of free agents. But if you 197 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: have eighteen starters come back, I understand why you're going 198 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: to be higher. But we know in this league you 199 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: can go from worse to first, and we know that. 200 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: You know, obviously, um you know, you can be a 201 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:02,599 Speaker 1: five seed like the Buccaneers and make it run to 202 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: the super Bowl. So I don't I'm not begrudging people 203 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 1: to look at it because you kind of want to 204 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: know where your team is and with the media things, 205 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: but it's just I don't know how you can put 206 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: out a power ranking this early in the offseason. Well, 207 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: it's like what we'll do and the month of May, 208 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: when the schedule comes out, we all go through and 209 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: all right, this is a win, this is a loss. Hey, 210 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: they've won three in a row going into this prime 211 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: time game and we're sitting here wall, well, free agencies happen, 212 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: the draft has happened. Yeah, we haven't seen this team 213 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: on the field. Look, we're all guilty of it. I'll 214 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: raise my hand right here, MJ and say, yes, that's 215 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 1: what we do when the schedule comes out, because that 216 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: is just a part of the National Football League experience. Well, 217 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 1: I mean the shoes on the other foot when this 218 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: team been as ten and six and eleven and five, 219 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: and you know, everyone was excited about that twenty fifteen season, rightfully. 220 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: So I mean they go thirteen and three and didn't 221 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: you didn't have to look so far down. I just 222 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: it's not that I would get discouraged because to me, 223 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, those power rankings, I 224 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: mean absolutely nothing is what you do on the field, 225 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: and if you want to make a jump, you know, 226 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: fly under the raider. I get it. But we know 227 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 1: this team has to make progress. You go from five 228 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: to eight wins, it's got to get better. And we 229 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: know that they've got to be more consistent. And it 230 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: starts with the coaching staff and the players. And you know, 231 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,199 Speaker 1: obviously now's the job with the front office to go 232 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: out and get better players and make this team more 233 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: consistent and a better team in the future. We continue 234 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: here on this Tuesday edition of Cardinals Cover two. 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And let's 243 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 1: continue our position by a position look heading into the 244 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 1: new league year March seventeenth, right around the corner, in fact, 245 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 1: one month away, one month and one day to be specific, 246 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: we covered the running back position, and our last show. 247 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: This show, we're going to focus on the secondary, and 248 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: typically I think we would divide it up into cornerbacks 249 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: and safeties. But correct me if I'm wrong. I look 250 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:25,439 Speaker 1: at this unit as okay. Corner Yes, there are some 251 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: questions that need to be answered. Safety on the other hand, 252 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: though for me MJ and maybe that's just me looking 253 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 1: through it through rose colored glasses or cardinal colored glasses. 254 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: I like the safety room right now with Buddha Baker 255 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: coming back, Jalen Thompson, Deontay Thompson. Yes, the Thompson twins 256 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: need to stay healthy and beyond the field, specifically Jalen Thompson. 257 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:51,439 Speaker 1: But safety position, I think they're okay right now as 258 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: we speak. Yeah, I mean when it comes to the 259 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: starters healthy Jalen Thompson and Buddha Baker, I like that pairing. 260 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: Deontay tom is a little bit bigger, at least taller 261 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: six ninety five or Jalen's about five eleven one ninety. 262 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 1: I think you need some depth there. Um. The fact 263 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: is that Chris Banjols and understricted the free agent. He 264 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: did start four games. He's more of a special teams player. 265 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: So I like the starters, but we know that you know, 266 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: whether it's injuries and Jalen Thompson and got hurt early 267 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: in the season, and you know, maybe he's playing catch up. 268 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: And then you know, anytime that you're you're not getting 269 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: a multiple playing times, you got to kind of hit 270 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: the reset button and then you get back on the 271 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: practice field and so you make progress and then you 272 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: take a step back. So I like the starter starters, 273 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: but I think they need some depth there. And that 274 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: could be, you know, a guy that you know, like 275 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: Chris Banjo was or you know, I think that would 276 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: be more of a veteran guy because if somebody goes down, 277 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: you have so much youth between Baker and the Thompson twins. Yeah, 278 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: and I think and free agency, and it wouldn't be 279 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: the first wave or the second wave. Maybe it's the third, fourth, 280 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: fifth wave to get a veteran in there. And whether 281 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: that's Banjio coming back or not, because I thought he 282 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: filled in very nicely because Jalen Thompson was in and 283 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: out of the lineup. And then when you look at 284 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: the draft, just a couple of names. Then my limited 285 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: search as far as the top safeties. Now, whether Cardinals 286 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: would address it with the sixteenth overall pick, I don't 287 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: know because it's not for me anyway a huge need. 288 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: But two the better safeties out there, Javon Holland onto Oregon. 289 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: He opted out of the twenty seasons, so there are 290 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: some debate on how you rank him and compare him 291 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: to the other positions or the other players at his position. 292 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: And then Tryvann Murray out of TCU, the Jim Thorpe 293 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: Award winner in twenty twenty, the best defensive back distinction. 294 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: So those are the two names. But I'm like, UMJ 295 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: that if you're going to add a safety to the 296 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: Thompson twins and Buddha Baker, it is going to be 297 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: a veteran and it's going to be later in the offseason. Yeah, 298 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: And that could be one of those situations where you know, 299 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: I was looking and we talked about this, but we'll 300 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: probably get more into detail when I say veterans are 301 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: going to get squeezed so look for a lot of 302 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: guys to sign one year deals because the salary cap 303 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: with a new TV contract expected to be signed for 304 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: the next ten years, you're going to see a lot 305 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: more money when it comes to the salary cap. So 306 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: you can find a guy on a one year deal, 307 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: prove a deal, and then obviously plays well, you can 308 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: extend him. If not, he goes out in free agency. 309 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: So I do think there'll be a market out there 310 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: for some veteran safeties that are looking just to get 311 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: on a roster, to get on film and then try 312 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: to cash in the following year. And I wonder how 313 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: many of these players, not talking safety specific, but these 314 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: veteran players that do get squeezed out and then all 315 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: of a sudden, you know, we're sitting here talking about, Hey, 316 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: it's not going to be you know, early on in 317 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: free agency, it's going to be later. But how quickly 318 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: the money dries up? Are we wrong in thinking that, hey, 319 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: there might be some veterans signing not big contracts, but 320 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: maybe one year deals just to say they have a 321 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: job and get off the market, as opposed to waiting, 322 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: because I think this offseason, the longer you wait, the 323 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: not that there won't be an opportunity. The money is 324 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: just not going to be there. Yeah, I mean when 325 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 1: when you look at the top, you know, top twelve, 326 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: top fifteen free agents, I mean some of these guys 327 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 1: are gonna get tagged. Usually good teams don't let their 328 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:31,479 Speaker 1: core players hit free agency. So I would think if 329 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: you're a guy in your twenty six to twenty eight, 330 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: you're looking for a multi year deal and there are 331 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: four or five teams that have over sixty million in 332 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 1: cap space, now the majority are you gonna They're gonna 333 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 1: have to You're gonna have to have and have nots. 334 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 1: You're gonna have you know, ten players making the majority 335 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: of the cap, and then you're gonna have forty five 336 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 1: players making a league minimum with incentives. So I would 337 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: think if you know early on, you're gonna see you know, 338 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: some teams that give out longer term deals. But if 339 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 1: you're a team like the Cardinals, you know they definitely 340 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: want to retain a son, ready to take him a 341 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: one year deal for X amount of dollars Marcus Golden. 342 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: Golden has been trying to get paid over the last 343 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 1: couple of years, So I think we'll see a fluctuation. 344 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: But the teams that are going to make commitments to 345 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: players and the teams that have overre fifty or sixty million, 346 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: you're going to see multi year deals. But I think 347 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 1: some of the veterans are gonna worry about getting squeeze, 348 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: so they're gonna have to take a one year deal. 349 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: Last point on the Cardinals safeties, and you talk about commitment, 350 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: the Cardinals made a commitment to Buddha Baker in training 351 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:38,199 Speaker 1: camp last offseason or a should say last year as 352 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 1: far as signing him to a long term contract, and 353 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: he did not disappoint First team All Pro, tied for 354 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:47,199 Speaker 1: the league lead among defensive backs with one hundred and 355 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: eighteen tackles, including eighty four solo stops, which led all dbs. 356 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 1: He had his first career interception, came up with two interceptions, 357 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 1: two sacks, six passes defense. What's next for you as 358 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 1: far as what you want to see out of Buddha Baker, 359 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 1: And he was asked that question at the end of 360 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: the season. He talked about leadership, but from a player's 361 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: dandpoint on the field, what's the next step for a 362 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 1: Buddha Baker who is already among the better if not 363 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,120 Speaker 1: the best safety in the league. Yeah, I mean he's 364 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,199 Speaker 1: he's been voted in the last couple of years now. 365 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: He does have a little competition with Jamal Adams in Seattle, 366 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: but they both were all pro. I just think, um, 367 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: more impact plays. We know he's around the ball, and 368 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,400 Speaker 1: you know there are opportunities will you know, Van jose 369 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: will bring him off the edge. More impact plays, but 370 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 1: you know he's so young and he hasn't reached the ceiling. 371 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: He's training in the right direction. You know, it's little things, 372 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 1: you know, communicating leadership that's going to go a long way, 373 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:49,959 Speaker 1: because when you have one of your best players and 374 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,360 Speaker 1: he's talking to someone else, you listen. I mean, it's 375 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: not like he's he's a he's a fringe guy or 376 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 1: rotation guy, and he's out there telling you what to do. 377 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: So I think just maybe more polished as a leader 378 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: and more impact plays where he can change a game 379 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 1: around like Chandler Jones has done. And we've heard the 380 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 1: coaches say, whether it's Cliff Kingsbury or Avance Joseph, if 381 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 1: we can have eleven Buddha bakers on the defense or 382 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: fifty three Buddha bakers on our roster will be an 383 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: excellent team. And you can say that about a handful 384 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,360 Speaker 1: of players throughout the league, and the Cardinals do have 385 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: one of those players, and Buddha Baker. Now we just 386 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: need to keep seeing it time in and time again. 387 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: But that's one player I don't worry about at all. No, 388 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: And as you started this topic in our conversation about 389 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 1: the safety position, it's going to be quite the contrary 390 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: when we get the corner again. You can never have 391 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: enough debt. But I do like the top three guys. 392 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: And again, the Thompson Twins got to stay healthy obviously 393 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 1: get a more grasp of the defense, but they've shown 394 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: flashes win in there. Now the question mark at cornerback, 395 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 1: there is a lot of question marks, and this is 396 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: going to be a position I think that not only 397 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: is the Cardinals front office going to address it in 398 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 1: free agency, they will address it in the draft. And 399 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 1: I don't know how many different positions you can say 400 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: that honestly about. And don't forget the Cardinals only have 401 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 1: five draft picks, but the cornerback position, let's get into 402 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 1: it here on Cardinals Cover two presented by Hunday Probab 403 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: partner of the Arizona Cardinals. The big question mark is 404 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: who is going to come back? Does Patrick Peterson return? 405 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: What about Drake Kerpack, Jonathan Joseph, Kevin Peterson? Those four 406 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: are all unrestricted free agents. Once the new league year hits, 407 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: Cardinals will have Byron Murphy, Robert Alford returning. And then 408 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: they got a couple of players on futures contracts, including 409 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 1: Jase Whittaker, who did play in four games this past 410 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: season and one of those players that was protected twelve 411 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 1: different times during the course of the season. But when 412 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: we talk about the cornerback position, you can't go any further. 413 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: And then is there addressing this position or evaluating in 414 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: this position? Then answering this question p. Two, what happens 415 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 1: here in twenty twenty one? Yeah, it's a it's a 416 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 1: great question. And you know the fact that you know, 417 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: he's an eight time pro bowler, but let's be honest, 418 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: over the last couple of years, maybe before the suspension 419 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: or after the suspension, he hasn't just been the same 420 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: player from you know, fleet of foot and foot speed, 421 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: and he's admitted that, you know, when this team is 422 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: playing man to man, it's difficult sometimes to cover the 423 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,479 Speaker 1: slants and across and routes. You know, I've maintained this 424 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 1: throughout the off season. I think the Cardinals will let 425 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson go out there and see what he's worth. 426 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,479 Speaker 1: And it only takes one team. I think the Cardinals 427 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 1: are willing to pay him. I don't know if they're 428 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: willing to pay him the salary he's making right now. 429 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: We know Patrick raising his family here. But it only 430 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: takes one team, and so I'm curious to see. But 431 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: you know, nothing against Robert Alford. I thought they finally 432 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 1: found a number two corner. I was intrigued with him, 433 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 1: and I haven't you know, it's just the fact that 434 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 1: he hasn't been a healthy and to me, you know, 435 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: he's under contract for one more year at nine million. 436 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 1: The Cardinals would say seven point five million. I have 437 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 1: no issue bringing him back, but it's got to be 438 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 1: on a lower rate. He just he hasn't been able 439 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: to play. And I really liked with him, and Peterson 440 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 1: looked like he brings them competitive, He's got some juices 441 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: in him. He plays with a little physicality. I was 442 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 1: intrigued when he was in training camp with Patrick Peterson 443 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: and then both of those guys worked out last year 444 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: in the offseason. They were chisels, they were ready to go. 445 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 1: Unfortunately didn't happen, So I'll bring him back at a 446 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: lower rate. You know, drake er Patrick he started nine games, 447 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 1: as you pointed out, you know, I thought he settled 448 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: that position down. Jonathan Joseph was a little bit older. 449 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: Kevin Peterson's an understricted free agency, and Chase Whittaker's more 450 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: of a slot guy. So you know, you do have 451 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: some depth behind Byron Murphy. I don't know if you 452 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: want to line him out on the outside. So you know, 453 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 1: we can look at wide receiver in cornerback and you know, 454 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: teams and games are won in the trenches. But if 455 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 1: you had to make a preference, I mean this is huge. 456 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: I mean you're basically saying you may only have a 457 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: couple of corners on the roster. I mean this so 458 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: free agency in the draft is something they're gonna have 459 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: to address. Yeah, you only have two under contract, and 460 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: I'm not counting the guys that are on features deals, 461 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: but Bayern Murphy and Robert Afford are the only ones 462 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 1: that you can count on. And you can't really count 463 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 1: on Robert Alford if we're being honest with ourselves, considering 464 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 1: he has not played a single game, a single snap 465 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: in each of the past two seasons because of injuries. 466 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 1: So I do like your take as far as you 467 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 1: want him back, but certainly not at the rates that 468 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: you're paying him. Now, how does he feel about that? 469 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, but that's something that I'm sure is 470 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 1: going to be addressed, if it hasn't already been addressed 471 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,199 Speaker 1: at all already, just because I'm sure he would like 472 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: to play and he gets it. It's a business, and 473 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 1: so far the Cardinals have not received what they paid 474 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 1: for this well as if yet excuse me, and he 475 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,439 Speaker 1: made a choice to sign before for you correct, they 476 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: showed that much interest. I mean a three year contract 477 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 1: on February eighth. I mean, so he would I've already 478 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: been on a contract it was worth twenty two point 479 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,640 Speaker 1: five including a four or five signing bonus. Now again, 480 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 1: how can he demand a long term deal when he 481 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 1: hasn't played in a couple of years another one year deal? 482 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 1: I mean, and he can prove that, I'm still you know, 483 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: we know corners can play thirty two thirty three. You know, 484 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 1: if you're a veteran guy. Maybe you're the third corner 485 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 1: versus the second corner, but there's not going to be 486 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,120 Speaker 1: a market out for him to get a ton of money. 487 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: It's all it takes is one team, I say, but 488 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 1: why not bring him back on a one year deal? 489 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: And I would feel the same way about bringing back 490 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson on a one year deal or even a 491 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,880 Speaker 1: multi year deal, depending on what the terms are. Again, 492 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: it's not my money, but this is one of those 493 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 1: divisive issues. If you will, you're either four or against. 494 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 1: There doesn't seem to be any middle ground when you 495 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: talk to fans about Patrick Peterson. Is he that all 496 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: pro corner that he was once? No, he's not. But 497 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 1: an argument can be made, and I'll make it here 498 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 1: that he is still among the better corners in this league. 499 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: And I'll take you back to something that Banch Joseph 500 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,439 Speaker 1: said at the end of twenty twenty December thirty first, 501 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: his last time addressing the media. He was asked about 502 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson and in Joseph's words, quote Peterson is our 503 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 1: ace corner. And then he added that there is no 504 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: such thing, in his opinion of a lockdown corner in 505 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,239 Speaker 1: the league anymore given than amount of passing that has 506 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: done now. Jalen Ramsey, sure he's a lockdown corner, but 507 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 1: I don't think a few. I don't think there's thirty 508 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 1: two of those. I don't think each team has one. No, 509 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: But the guys we talked about Patrick Peterson when he 510 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: came out lockdown corner, You're talking about guys that are 511 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: twenty three, twenty four, twenty five, twenty seven. I mean, 512 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure in the next couple of years, 513 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 1: Stephan Gilmour is going to say that he lost a step. 514 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 1: It's just it's a young man's game. But he still 515 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: can cover and he's still the best corner on the roster. 516 00:26:55,960 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 1: I know. You know, for fans, you're right, he's lightning 517 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: route and it didn't help when he asked for a 518 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 1: trade and obviously the suspension, so there are factors involved here. 519 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: But have him in the secondary, and I don't know 520 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: if he would sign a one year deal, I mean, 521 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 1: and again the market is going to dictate that. I 522 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 1: would think he wants a couple of years because he 523 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,159 Speaker 1: says he wants to play to these thirty five, but 524 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 1: he's gonna have to play up up to par to 525 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 1: get that kind of contract, So I would like to 526 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: see him come back. But you know, I just think it, 527 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: you know, if they're going to play man to man, 528 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: I think he's better suited for his own defense. I 529 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: think the Cardinals are willing that. This is just me 530 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 1: guessing all eleven million a year um? Is it on 531 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: a two year deal? What's the bonus money? But you're 532 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: starting to see him possibly get two years for twenty 533 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: five with a fifteen million dollars guarantee. So I don't 534 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: know if the Cardinals are willing to go down that road. Obviously, 535 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: negotiations are part of it, so it's gonna be interesting. 536 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 1: But whether you whether you think he's lost a step 537 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: or not, he's still one of the better corners in 538 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 1: the division. And the grass isn't always greener. So I 539 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 1: understand he hasn't played up to part to where you 540 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: see you can replace him not so fast. Well, and 541 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,400 Speaker 1: that's the flip side of this, all right. If you 542 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 1: do say all right, we're going to replace him, then 543 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: it's okay, Well who you're replacing him with. It's easy 544 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,679 Speaker 1: to say, well, get rid of that player. You can 545 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: always get better. Are you really sure about that? Because 546 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: sometimes it's better to have someone that you know of one, 547 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: knows your system, two and has been around as opposed 548 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: to going out and looking at the free agent market. 549 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: Here are a couple of names for you, and just 550 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: within the Cardinals division the NFC West, Richard Sherman's going 551 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: to be an unrestricted free agent. Quentin Dunbar Shaquille Griffin 552 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 1: out of the Seahawks. Those two players, do they resign 553 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: or do they hit the open market? Troy Hill from 554 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: the Rams. Those are just some of the corners within 555 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: the NFC West that much like Patrick Peterson, are going 556 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: to hit the open market. So how much dollars are 557 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: out there available to these players? And then is it 558 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 1: better to maybe take less because you are comfortable in 559 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: your surroundings. I et Patrick Peterson with the Arizona Cardinals. Again, 560 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. Peterson has talked very well about the 561 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: organization and the city and the community over recent weeks. Yes, 562 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: he's been honest with himself and us as far as 563 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: how much he needs to improve and work on this 564 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: offseason because he knows he's not among the elite corners 565 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: anymore yet. I'm just not quick like everyone else seems 566 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 1: to be said, I just you know, push him inside. 567 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: Let's move on from Patrick Peterson and go with Byron 568 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: Murphy and someone else, someone else, someone else. Listen, you 569 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: put him in the right defense in advance. I mean, 570 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 1: he's got to do what's best for the team. I mean, 571 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: the whole idea when they signed off for was man 572 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: and man press across the board. That never materialized because 573 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: of injuries. Maybe this team's better to play zone, and 574 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: if you put him in his zone, I think he's 575 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: gonna be fine. I mean again, I understand the fact 576 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: that he doesn't look the same on the field, but 577 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 1: he's more. He's savvy, he's a veteran, he knows how 578 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: to cover guys. You know, the physicality has never been 579 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: a strong suit, even though he's done a better job 580 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: coming up and tackling this year. I mean Richard Sherman, 581 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: he's thirty two. He got picked down and he missed 582 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: a lot of time last year. You know, Dunbar's twenty eight, 583 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: Griffin's twenty five, Troy Hill I'm intrigued with, maybe because 584 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 1: he played well against the Cardinals twenty nine. Desmond King 585 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: is twenty six, Ronald Darby twenty seven. So I'm sure 586 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: all these guys that are in their twenties want to 587 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: get long term deals. I just don't know if it's 588 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: going to happen. So I do think the I think 589 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: corner is a viable option for the Cardinals in the 590 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: first round. Obviously the best available player, Trey Down get 591 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: more picks, and I think they're gonna have to sign 592 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: a well, I definitely think they're gonna have to sign 593 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: a free agent or two, like a Drake Kirkpatrick, like 594 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: a Jonathan Joseph, maybe a guy that's gonna come in 595 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: here before training camp and get a one year deal, 596 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: but draft in free agency, because right now they don't 597 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 1: have a whole lot of depth if they lose Patrick Peterson, 598 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: as we debates as far as the future of Patrick 599 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 1: Peterson and with respects to what's already on the roster 600 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: and specifically Byron Murphy, is Murphy now ready to take 601 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: that next step himself and be not a number one 602 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: corner because I don't think he's there yet. He might 603 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: not never be there, but two years into his pro career, 604 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: he's played a lot of slot and that's kind of 605 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: where this team envisions him being at. Well, in that case, 606 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: then the Cardinals need to go out and sign or 607 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: draft two corners, and you put that pressure on a 608 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 1: college player out of the gate, that's a lot to handle. 609 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: With respects to Byron Murphy and this cornerback position, how 610 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: much does Murphy's future weigh into this, whether he can 611 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: be a number two corner like he was his rookie 612 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: year when he was thrown into the fire. Well, he's 613 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: seen the difference I'm playing on the outside to playing 614 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: in the inside. Now, you know, if teams are going 615 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 1: three and four wide, he's he's a full time player. 616 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 1: Sometimes a teams are going with twelve personnel, you want 617 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: to get your bigs on on the field. They made 618 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: it very clear last year that him playing inside is 619 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: his natural position. So I don't know if you want 620 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,479 Speaker 1: to move him. I get the physicality, I get the size, 621 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: five eleven, one ninety. Um, he has speed. Uh, he's 622 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: he had a really good past defenses, past defense last year. 623 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: But um, it seems like in this in this day 624 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: and age, when teams going three and four wide, your 625 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: second corner, it just has to be as good as 626 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: your slot corner. And right now that I don't think 627 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: the Cardinals if they lose Patrick Peterson you know, Murphy 628 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 1: to me is a perfect slot guy, especially with these 629 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: these these routes. These guys are running and you're going 630 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: to gets not so much small guys, any more physical receivers, 631 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: So you'd hate to move him around, But you know, 632 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: I got to trust their judgment when it comes to 633 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. Well, when you talk about a 634 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: slock corner, it's not like some one that's going to 635 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: come off the bench. You're playing and you're starting three 636 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 1: cornerbacks more times than not. So it is a position 637 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: that is certainly very well utilized and extremely important. But 638 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: when you take someone in the second round, like a 639 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: Byron Murphy, there's an expectation is that a slot guy 640 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 1: or is that a number one or a number two guy? 641 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: I would think at this point in the game that 642 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,719 Speaker 1: slot corner. Okay, it's not as great a need as 643 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 1: number one and number two, but it's still up there. 644 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 1: It's you know, you're rivaling edge rusher and and you know, 645 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: wide receiver. As far as being able to defend all 646 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 1: of these pass catchers, whether it's a wide receiver or 647 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 1: a tied end or even a running back. You need 648 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: cornerbacks and not just two. You need three, four, and 649 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: sometimes five. Yeah, especially have to have position because you know, 650 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 1: if you're the second corner and you're really you're three, 651 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: and you're playing the two, they're gonna they're gonna pick 652 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 1: on you, They're gonna go after you. I really think, 653 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 1: you know, even if they sign a a corner in 654 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: free agency, I still think you've got a draft a corner. 655 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 1: And again, you know, if you're at sixteen, how many 656 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 1: corners are off the board. I don't get fixated on 657 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: that because I know in previous years the Cardinals had 658 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 1: certain players ranked higher than with the mock drafts are 659 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,320 Speaker 1: out there, So I don't third corner, fourth corners to 660 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: fit your system and you know what's his upside and 661 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 1: you're projecting what he's gonna do with the next level. 662 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 1: So I think cornerback is on the board at number 663 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 1: sixteen or the first round. I don't think there's any 664 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,759 Speaker 1: question that depending on how things shake out ahead of 665 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 1: the Cardinals and Bird Gang. The more you hear quarterback talk, 666 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,319 Speaker 1: the more push four guys to be drafted ahead of 667 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,319 Speaker 1: the Cardinals at number sixteen, because then that pushes one 668 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 1: or two players down to where if you look at it, 669 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 1: if four quarterbacks go off the board in the first 670 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,280 Speaker 1: five or ten picks. Now you're looking at okay, quarterback aside, 671 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:57,759 Speaker 1: you're getting top ten talents at number sixteen, And is 672 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: that a cornerback? A couple of names out there, Caleb 673 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: Farley out of Virginia Tech, JC Horn, South Carolina, Asante 674 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: Samuel Junior Florida States, and Patrick Certain the second out 675 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,280 Speaker 1: of Alabama. Now, the interesting thing about Horne, Samuel Entertain, 676 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 1: those are all second generation players. Their father's all very 677 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 1: good NFL players, so it's in their DNA, so to speak. 678 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: And then Farley is one of those players that I've 679 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,319 Speaker 1: seen a lot as far as being mocked to the 680 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 1: Cardinals at number sixteen. The question mark, and there are 681 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 1: a couple of them. One he did not play at 682 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 1: all in twenty seventeen because of a torn acl and 683 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,240 Speaker 1: missed last season. He decided to opt out of twenty twenty. 684 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: It's his prerogative to concentrate on the drafts and the 685 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 1: National Football League. Yet, what are you getting compared to 686 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 1: the other players who did play in twenty twenty, specifically Certain, 687 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 1: who was very good at Alabama. Yeah, I mean, in 688 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,799 Speaker 1: the perfect world, Patricks's team would be the pick. But 689 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: I just don't think he's gonna, you know, drop there. 690 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 1: I guess we'll wait and see. Nobody knows an officially 691 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 1: with Team Sports look like you know, you look at 692 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 1: Caleb fairly, fairly twenty two years old. I like the size. 693 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: You don't see corner six foot two. I mean that's 694 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 1: long arms, and that means you can get you know, 695 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: press covers at the line of scrimmage. Um, if they're 696 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,320 Speaker 1: gonna run that out route, you get your you know, 697 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,279 Speaker 1: you get your alligator arms out there. You look at 698 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 1: Horns six one, Sante Samuel's five ten, first team All 699 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 1: acc as you pointed out Greg So, but I do 700 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 1: think you know you're gonna get picked on. But if 701 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 1: you have a number one corner opposite of you, I 702 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: think it helps. And then if you get a pass rush, 703 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: you know, and you put teams in situations where they're 704 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 1: gonna have to pass it, that will help. But I 705 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,359 Speaker 1: definitely think they got to build that corner position if 706 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,879 Speaker 1: they lose Patrick Peterson, regardless of they don't lose them, 707 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: they're still gonna need depth there. You need three top 708 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 1: corners and you need a couple backups. I think that 709 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 1: you hit right there. As even if Peterson does return, 710 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 1: cornerback still has to be a focal point in the draft. 711 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 1: And if you want to if Alford's ruling, come back 712 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 1: on a one year deal. Obviously, you know they've paid 713 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,239 Speaker 1: him a ton of money. I don't know if there's 714 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,919 Speaker 1: loyalty there. I know you know he wanted to play 715 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 1: with Patrick. They also know it's a business. So now, 716 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, if he could stay healthy, then 717 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 1: you draft a corner and all of a sudden, there's 718 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 1: not a huge drop off. You know, you got your 719 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,399 Speaker 1: number one, depending on what happens, But I do think 720 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,840 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to adjust the corner of his position 721 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,239 Speaker 1: in free agency and the draft. I believe that regardless 722 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,880 Speaker 1: of Patrick Peterson comes back, now, Murphy was forced into action. 723 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,879 Speaker 1: They would have preferred to slow play him when he 724 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 1: was in his first year, but Peterson's suspension, Alford's injury, 725 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, Murphy had to play a 726 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,360 Speaker 1: lot more. As far as the outside is concerning covering 727 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 1: guys like Julio Jones exactly, it was certainly baptism by fire, 728 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 1: But I think he's better for it going into year 729 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,640 Speaker 1: or three. He's still getting picked on. He's still giving 730 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 1: up his year of catches. But I'll go back to 731 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 1: Week one at San Francisco and then later on the 732 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,799 Speaker 1: season against Philadelphia, he had two huge pass breakups that 733 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 1: helped seal win. So I think, much like we talked 734 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 1: earlier in the show about Kyler Murray, in that tradectory 735 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 1: going up, there is one, maybe not as steep with Murphy, 736 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 1: but there is one with Byron Murphy. Yeah, I don't 737 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,320 Speaker 1: think the game's too big for him. And he was 738 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,840 Speaker 1: throwing the fire as you mentioned, and you know that's 739 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 1: a situation and sometimes your position flexibility does help you 740 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,440 Speaker 1: get out of the field a little bit quicker. But 741 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,840 Speaker 1: when you just hear him in interviews, he knows he 742 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,960 Speaker 1: can play at this level. His physical he works hard 743 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,319 Speaker 1: in the offseason and get into shape. He's a good 744 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,319 Speaker 1: open field tackler. I think he you know, some of 745 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,920 Speaker 1: those pass defense even from week one until the end 746 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,319 Speaker 1: of the season, helped his team keep him in games. 747 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,879 Speaker 1: So and Kyler Murray already came out and said he's 748 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,359 Speaker 1: he's expecting big things from Bibern Murphy. It doesn't mean 749 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,320 Speaker 1: he was because of they're in the same draft class. 750 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,920 Speaker 1: But it's a point to where you know, um, you 751 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,200 Speaker 1: know the field the Cardinals feel like when they look 752 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 1: at it from that standpoint, you know these are your 753 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:02,880 Speaker 1: core moving forward. When you draft a guy in the 754 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,839 Speaker 1: first and second round, third round, you got to hope 755 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,799 Speaker 1: those guys pan out and you know, fourth, fifth and 756 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,160 Speaker 1: sixth round or more depth. And doesn't mean a guy 757 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,480 Speaker 1: can start. I mean, we haven't even talked about Evan Weaver. 758 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,719 Speaker 1: I'm curious to see what he can do. I know 759 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,880 Speaker 1: they were excited with him, and he's under size and 760 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 1: he was a PAC twelve Player of the Year at CAL. 761 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,840 Speaker 1: I think he can earn a spot on special teams 762 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,560 Speaker 1: so year one to two and three, but I'm not 763 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,440 Speaker 1: I have no concern with Bayern Murphy as long as 764 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,240 Speaker 1: he's on the trajectory to where he's still working hard 765 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,359 Speaker 1: and he doesn't feel like he's arrived, and I don't 766 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,400 Speaker 1: think that's the case. He's part of the solution at cornerback, 767 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,399 Speaker 1: and I say part because he is going to need 768 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,480 Speaker 1: help and I would expect that that position to be 769 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 1: addressed early in free agency, at least to get an 770 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:53,440 Speaker 1: answer about Patrick Pearson. That first week, first two weeks 771 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,799 Speaker 1: I would think because the Cardinals in their own projection 772 00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,480 Speaker 1: and getting better, you can't wait either, be because if 773 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,959 Speaker 1: guys start coming off the board or certain positions start 774 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,000 Speaker 1: to fill up and you're looking and go, we've got 775 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,919 Speaker 1: to do something. And I'm talking about free agency. There 776 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:10,520 Speaker 1: is going to be a little bit of a foot 777 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 1: race here as far as how teams decide to attack 778 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,439 Speaker 1: their own free agents and then other teams free agent. Well, 779 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:20,080 Speaker 1: I mean legal tampering starts on the fifteenth, and I 780 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 1: think we're gonna have a wave of signings on the seventeenth. Now, 781 00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,400 Speaker 1: the guys that aren't getting the money, and you mentioned earlier, 782 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,919 Speaker 1: the money dries up quick. When he's I talk about 783 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 1: teams having forty to fifty sixty million dollars, they're going 784 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 1: to go after heavery ticket items. So that's going to 785 00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,160 Speaker 1: come off the board quick. Yeah. I mean, if somebody's 786 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,480 Speaker 1: offering a multi year deal versus a one year deal, 787 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,160 Speaker 1: I gotta think player A is going to take the 788 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 1: two year deal. Cardinals need to address this position just because, 789 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,400 Speaker 1: as we like to say, it is a passing league. 790 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,839 Speaker 1: And look no for further than the Tampa Bay Buccaneers 791 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,200 Speaker 1: and their secondary It was we chronicled earlier during the 792 00:40:56,239 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 1: playoff run that they've got all four including corners and safeties. 793 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,439 Speaker 1: They're all at the end of the age of twenty five, 794 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 1: and they've drafted very well. And not to say that 795 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,760 Speaker 1: the Cardinals haven't drafted very well at the cornerback position. 796 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,400 Speaker 1: It's just a position that in the draft they haven't 797 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,280 Speaker 1: looked to in the last several years outside of Byron Murphy. 798 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,719 Speaker 1: But I do think they have to address it this 799 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,840 Speaker 1: year and next year because even if Peterson does return, 800 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,000 Speaker 1: he's not getting any younger. Yeah, I mean, you can 801 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 1: have a great pass rush, but if he can't cover 802 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,319 Speaker 1: in the back, and I you know, we always talk 803 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,480 Speaker 1: about the front seven and if the secondary can cover, 804 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,239 Speaker 1: they should be able to get to the quarterback. But 805 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,879 Speaker 1: if guys are running free. You know, quarterbacks have done 806 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,680 Speaker 1: a really good job getting rid of the ball earlier 807 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:44,400 Speaker 1: than in prior time. You know, sometimes if you go 808 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,600 Speaker 1: three and four wide, you can't get the same pressure 809 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,960 Speaker 1: because you've got to cover the field. So, yeah, this 810 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,359 Speaker 1: is one of those situations where I just look at 811 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:56,319 Speaker 1: it from you know, a cardinal standpoint that you know 812 00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,960 Speaker 1: last year. Let's go ahead, what I said I thought 813 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,520 Speaker 1: the secondary was a strength to the team because Robert, Alfred, 814 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,480 Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson, the Jailing twins and Buddha Baker, and I 815 00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:08,160 Speaker 1: believe that that wasn't the case. So you got they 816 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,040 Speaker 1: got to build up this secondary again because you know, 817 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,000 Speaker 1: having a great pass rush, if you can't cover on 818 00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,080 Speaker 1: the back end, they don't. It doesn't equal to where 819 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,800 Speaker 1: success is going to happen between the front seven and 820 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,200 Speaker 1: the back end. It all works on a strength to 821 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,080 Speaker 1: your your analogy as far as you've got to have 822 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,680 Speaker 1: a good pass rush to help the secondary, and a 823 00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,799 Speaker 1: strong secondary will make sure the pass rush is better 824 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,600 Speaker 1: because then you get the quarterback to hang on the 825 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,280 Speaker 1: ball a lot longer, no doubt about it. And that's 826 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,440 Speaker 1: something that they're going to have to address in the offseason. 827 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:41,400 Speaker 1: It's just they just don't mean again Alfred healthy. I 828 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,680 Speaker 1: look forward to see him if that's the case. Patrick 829 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,880 Speaker 1: will wait and see and if they're able to retain 830 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:48,880 Speaker 1: these guys all of a sudden, now you don't have 831 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,560 Speaker 1: to go out and worry about so much depth. The 832 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,680 Speaker 1: fact is they got to stay healthy and be productive 833 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,280 Speaker 1: if you're gonna go with these A couple of corners 834 00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,720 Speaker 1: that they have they have more intell on Patrick Peterson, 835 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,560 Speaker 1: Rob Rudolford. Then they have some others in free agency, 836 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:03,960 Speaker 1: and that doesn't mean they're not going to sign a 837 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,480 Speaker 1: guy though. For me, MJ. Cornerback is the number one 838 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,200 Speaker 1: position of need the Cardinals have to address and address 839 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:15,680 Speaker 1: probably quite often this offseason. Yeah, and then there's undrafted 840 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,160 Speaker 1: free agents, and you know these guys that opted out, 841 00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:19,640 Speaker 1: I mean, they got to go back to the film. 842 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,680 Speaker 1: You know, I think teams are allowed to do zoom 843 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,880 Speaker 1: meetings right now. You know, some teams are having pro days, 844 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,080 Speaker 1: so you know, we don't we're not going to hear 845 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,799 Speaker 1: about you know this guy, team visited this guy because 846 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,400 Speaker 1: they're not allowing that. But I know that teams are 847 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,000 Speaker 1: allowed to do zoom meetings. Position coaches start talking to 848 00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,960 Speaker 1: these draft picks, and I'm curious to see when a 849 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,600 Speaker 1: guy opts out, what kind of shape? What have you 850 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,680 Speaker 1: been doing for the last six months? Yeah, and how 851 00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,359 Speaker 1: does that play into the evaluation versus looking back at 852 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,480 Speaker 1: not last year's film, but the year before, and then 853 00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,799 Speaker 1: comparing twenty nineteen film with a guy who played in 854 00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,239 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen and twenty twenty. Yeah, and you're gonna have 855 00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,279 Speaker 1: to go back to the film and I'm sure they're 856 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,160 Speaker 1: all in great shape, but there's there's a thing in 857 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,000 Speaker 1: football you've got to stop and run okay, meaning it's 858 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,560 Speaker 1: not just running forty yard dashes, it's not lifting two 859 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,880 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five pounds. You have to adjust to 860 00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,319 Speaker 1: the speed of the game and on a dime, you 861 00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,960 Speaker 1: have to change directions. So you know they can work 862 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,560 Speaker 1: out and look good and all that other staff you know, 863 00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,600 Speaker 1: look past the eye test, but football has played above 864 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,120 Speaker 1: the shoulders. Sometimes it's between the years and it's about 865 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:28,919 Speaker 1: knowing your role in technique. So I don't think they're 866 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:30,759 Speaker 1: going to hold it against these guys that opted out. 867 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,360 Speaker 1: Obviously they made a decision for that best in their family. 868 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,960 Speaker 1: But you better make sure that these guys they've been 869 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,200 Speaker 1: in the straight and arrow for the last six months 870 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,640 Speaker 1: to where they're they want to be in the NFL, 871 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:42,439 Speaker 1: and you have to put the work in to do it. 872 00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,680 Speaker 1: Bird Gang, if you haven't already, update to the lettest 873 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,800 Speaker 1: version of the Cardinals mobile app today. 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Much more on the position 882 00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,839 Speaker 1: as the team makes moves and free agency, and then 883 00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:25,400 Speaker 1: of course and the draft special thanks as always to 884 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:29,319 Speaker 1: our executive producer Jim ma'mahundro for Mike Jarecki. I'm Gregaria Lou. 885 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,160 Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next time, Aaron Cardinals Cover two