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Speaker 1: for every hunt first like go farther, stay longer. All right,

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Speaker 1: everybody joined today by a number of esteemed guests, but

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Speaker 1: the most esteemed of all, Jay Scott Colburn and Scott Outfitters.

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Speaker 1: Do you guys still go by that name rods getting

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Speaker 1: people asking about recommended guides and whatnot. Uh, I can't

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Speaker 1: I feel like you have to be if someone's going

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Speaker 1: like very careful, uh not on mean value like trying

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Speaker 1: of the money being spent. It's probably because you don't

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Speaker 1: have any Um, there's no desperation about you. Well, we

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Speaker 1: have a great team. So I'm surrounded by really good

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Speaker 1: hunters coming. Maybe you're too high. Um. And so what

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Speaker 1: we just finished our twenty six season in Mexico, and um,

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Speaker 1: it's been an unbelievable ride. It's hard to even believe

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Speaker 1: And we do cups and Gould's hunts down there, goolds turkeys, um,

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Speaker 1: Felps and I were talking about this, Um, it's like

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Speaker 1: and it's Pelts. So have you got anything to say

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Speaker 1: unhooked that Mike. It's like wasting that Mike's waste electricity. Uh, Phil,

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Speaker 1: HF Gear I'm here second time on the show. Second

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Speaker 1: the bag. This is right, this is this is core

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Speaker 1: f HF Core Stephen Ranella organizational items. It's a hamster holder.

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Speaker 1: But definitely let's keep less tension on the sling itself

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. Actually, while you guys were

422
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 1: in Mexico, and uh, folks were talking about like old

423
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: hockey movies, and I had purchased a bottle of Newman's

424
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: own salad dressing for the trip Paul Newman's and a

425
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 1: famous old hockey movie. Um oh yeah yeah and movie

426
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: a long time ago was what the heck is it?

427
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:16,400
Speaker 1: I can't remember very uh grapes. Anyway, we'll figure it out.

428
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 1: But he like slap Shot. I couldn't. I was I yeah,

429
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 1: slap shot. He thought it was slap shot? What was

430
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 1: his what was his search? Can you tell me what

431
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: I feel like? I feel like he didn't. I thought

432
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: he typed in Paul Newman hockey movie shown. Yes, absolutely,

433
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 1: I'll give it to you guys on um that anyway,

434
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 1: just an example of like something uh in one's past

435
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: that was apparently broadly socially acceptable at the time, type

436
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 1: a humor that is like like, you cannot, it's hard

437
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: to make it through that movie. At this point you

438
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: went a little bit yeah, big time, big time. And

439
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: then you know Newman's own foundation all profits go to

440
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,719
Speaker 1: philanthropic deals, and you're like this guy on the salad

441
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: dressing once said this in a movie. Yeah, someday, the

442
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: wrong person is gonna watch Slapshot, and Paul Newman's whole

443
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: thing is gonna be over many Steve I got a

444
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: question for you real fast. I see you keep popping

445
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,640
Speaker 1: those designer glasses on. I've got a solution for you.

446
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 1: What Lasik eye surgery Because it doesn't work for reading.

447
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,919
Speaker 1: I just got it done just for reading, well, so

448
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: I don't have an eye problem. Besides reading, I couldn't

449
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: sit on the couch and read the golf scores on

450
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 1: the TV or the football or whatever on the TV.

451
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: Now I can sit and read them perfectly. Have you

452
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 1: always to read Royal coachman over there on that thing?

453
00:26:54,920 --> 00:27:00,160
Speaker 1: But have you always needed glasses? So the last couple

454
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 1: of years, my eyes have gotten worse and worse and

455
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: worse um at night, especially low light. And I went

456
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: in and got lay sick, and they said one downside,

457
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: as you might not be able to like read your phone.

458
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: So I got it done eight am. The next morning

459
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 1: I was and I can read my phone and my

460
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: computer screen really, so you might have it checked because

461
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: I got an eye exam coming up to find out what.

462
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 1: But I mean, this has been happened since I was

463
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: forty five, Just like slowly, it just gets worse and worse.

464
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 1: So I use these these readers can see it. I

465
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: could I actually do it. I just had to make

466
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 1: a weird face, tip my head at a weird angle

467
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 1: and get back. Can you see at a distance? I mean,

468
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: can you see a buck out there? Extremely? Well? Okay,

469
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: so your distance is fine. My distance was my last

470
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: eye exam. They told me that my distance stuff is

471
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: still spot on. It was just reading fine print is

472
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: I'm going down. We're gonna get down to the bottom

473
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: of I bought these on Amazon. I bought five for

474
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: ten bucks. What power twos? You know, I was gonna

475
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: tell you when you brought that up the last time.

476
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: My my buddy Kyler's dad passed away, right, and we

477
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: used a bunch of communal stuff for horse packing and

478
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 1: and things like that, And every every item that we

479
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 1: touched of his had a pair of reading glasses in it,

480
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: the little fold up ones that you know that that

481
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: fold out. So I just went to that strategy. I

482
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: was trying to do the thing where you have a

483
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 1: pair everywhere that she doesn't work. Now I have a

484
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: pair of everywhere, so funny saddle bags, old duffel bags,

485
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: the jockey box in his truck, the glove compartment in

486
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: his truck. That I mean, they were just everywhere. Yeah,

487
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: So that's way you gotta do it. Here here's some serious,

488
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: more serious questions. What was my favorite episode from part two?

489
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: Indisputably the show we do with Kimmy Me and Callan

490
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: Kimmy Warner. What are you thinking that itels all that

491
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: hurts Phelps because Phelps and me did a episode together. Yeah, listen, Felts,

492
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: that was not a hit against you. Man to say,

493
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: um that, to say, uh, Felts, I'll give you some

494
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: money later. Listen, you just gotta do your next l

495
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: count while holding your breath under water. That was a

496
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: great episode. That was a great episode. We had a

497
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: good time, loved it. But um, I just like I said, man,

498
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: I feel like I wasted my life by not being

499
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: a spear fisherman. It's not my fault because where I

500
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: was born. I wasted my life and if I could

501
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: redo it all over again, that's all I would do.

502
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: I can tell you from a viewer standpoint, I really

503
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: enjoy the spear fishing stuff and some of the stuff

504
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: on your social media. It's yeah, it's something that even

505
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: though you're from Arizona. Well, I'm fascinated by it. I've

506
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: never done it, but it's kind of gotten meat to

507
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: thinking of doing it. It's hard all the other cool stuff,

508
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: especially at this point in life. I think it'd be

509
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: very different, Uh if if you started out of the

510
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: gate being able to hunt on land and hunt in

511
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: the water. But at this point in life, he is

512
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: literally being dropped into another world and it's hard to

513
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: recreate that experience elsewhere. Right, So like that's kind of

514
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: what you're up against. It's super new, So it's fun, right,

515
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: it brings back like the kidding you that's the steep

516
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: part of the learning curve, right, Yeah, exactly, you've done

517
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: it quite a bit too, right, trying trying, Yeah, yeah,

518
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 1: the efforts there, we might lose Kale to spear fishing.

519
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: I mean, like he's gonna die because he had a

520
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: tricky squeeze and bled out his nose and then he's

521
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: got a problem where he comes up and kind of

522
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,719
Speaker 1: like gets a little fainty. Well that is one question

523
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: I had, like can you and just kind of surface

524
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: fish or do you technically you have to dive. Spent

525
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: many years just surface fishing so you can just enjoy spots.

526
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: But then I then I really but the people that

527
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: are serious about it, they're like they kind of like

528
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: mostly regard themselves as free divers. But we would go

529
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: to the Bahamas and and you know you're like the

530
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: deep as you go as eight feet right and did

531
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: all that, but it's it's you're just does it become

532
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: a point where like you gotta get to the depths

533
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: to get where the bigger fish are. And I think

534
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: that if if I could get where I could comfortably fish,

535
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: if I could get where I could spend a minute

536
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: at seventy ft um free diving, if I could go

537
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: down and lay on the bottom for a minute at

538
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: seventy ft, I would be very happy with myself. So

539
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: how long would you say, Like, I would sign that

540
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: contract right now. Yeah, And that's that's your max. I

541
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: would say if I could have a down to like

542
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: a minute laying on the bottom of seventy ft of water,

543
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: if someone said like I'll give you that, but you'll

544
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: never have more, that's as deep as you can go, Yep,

545
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: you can will sign it right now. You can spend

546
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: a minute at seventy ft. You'll never get another thing,

547
00:31:58,320 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: but I'll give it to you right now. I would

548
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: sign in that contract. Yeah, yeah, I mean that that's like,

549
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: that's that's probably like a little bit more than what

550
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: you really need. In most most places, you do a

551
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: hell of a lot of fishing, hell of a lot

552
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: of fishing. When when you say that, though, Steve, how

553
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: how long does it take you? Because I'm thinking about

554
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: this in terms of just holding your breath, how long

555
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: does it take you to get down there and back up?

556
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: It would be a two minute downtime, two minutes down underwater,

557
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: to be underwater two minutes total total? Yeah, because, uh,

558
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: you might have a max breath hold Jill. The max

559
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: static breath hold is what type that? In Phil It's

560
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: it's like like nine minutes max. Like that. That's not

561
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: exerting yourself, right, So if a free diver, like if

562
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: if you're talking to a good spirit like take like

563
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: Greg Fons, okay, um, and I might I might mutilate

564
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: his numbers. Apologies Greg. But let's say Greg Fonts has

565
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: a downtime. His like, his known downtime is three minutes,

566
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: meaning he can go down for three minutes, not a problem.

567
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: Most of his dives are gonna be ninety seconds because

568
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: when you come to the surface, your recovery needs to

569
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: be twice as long as how long you were down,

570
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: so it takes away how responsive you can be to

571
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: what you saw while you were down right. Also, you

572
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: can run into trouble, meaning like let's say Greg is

573
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: spearing oil rigs. You go down, everything's going fine, you

574
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: shoot a fish. The fish shoots through one of the

575
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: support columns and kind of rats around your leg a

576
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: little bit. Now, if you've already overstayed, if you're downtime's

577
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: three minutes, and you're like, oh, I'm at two minutes

578
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: thirty seconds, because it's only gonna take me thirty minute,

579
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: thirty seconds to get to the top, and then you

580
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: do something like that, not what happens to you. So

581
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: they'll they'll just do like ninety second dived dive, three

582
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: minute recovery time, ninety second dive, three minute recovery time,

583
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: and they're just and they developed that Caiten, So it's

584
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: not always about it's not always about like what can

585
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: you maximum get away with, you know, And so they'll

586
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: if they're comfortable at three, they're probably up at ninety seconds.

587
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,919
Speaker 1: And then if something crazy happens, like you're down there

588
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: and then you see something, you still have something you

589
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: reserve to go make it happen. But they're not down

590
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: there like pushing limits all the time. The world record

591
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: was set in team by a Spanish free diver at

592
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: twenty four minutes and three seconds static breath hold, No way,

593
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: no way, was he breathing out his nose. Article on

594
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: how like scientifically it's done, But I haven't. You have

595
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: got to be kidding me. I think it's like cold water,

596
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: certain depths. There's some things to it. Um that's somebody

597
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: gets some fish that doesn't do anything right. That's like

598
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: there's no exertion because any bit of exertion sucks up oxygen.

599
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: Even Kimmy Werner was saying on this spearfishing episode we

600
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: did were me and cal are kind of expose our

601
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: expose our beginnernus. And you know, Kimmey's a pro, like

602
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: literally has been a professional spear fisher woman and recaptured

603
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 1: like the what we captured on film that like shows

604
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: off Kimmy's capabilities is like the tip of the spirit

605
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: for like it's it's incredible. No, she wasn't feeling very good,

606
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: uh and talking about exertion um cocking a three prong

607
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 1: that like they're so in tune, like the good free

608
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: divers are so in tune with their own physiology that

609
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: she'll notice the impact on her downtime of having a

610
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: three prong cocked because you're putting grip on something and

611
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: that burns oxygen, like when Greg gets up. Like they

612
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 1: don't drink. They're like monastic in there on dive days.

613
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: And I've gone with them. They're they're they're they're like monks,

614
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: you know, like they're watching. They don't want to drink

615
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: the night before. If you're really trying to perform peak,

616
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: like you don't want to drink the night before. There's

617
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: a guy that cuts out dairy days before for any

618
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: kind of clare like mut like mucus build up in

619
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: your head. No coffee. Super careful about any medications you take,

620
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: very careful about food you eat, avoid acids. It's a

621
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: deep dark hole, which is but it's about like knowing

622
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: yourself and your capabilities, which I want to swing back

623
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: to um the issues that that I've been having. And

624
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 1: you know, I worked on like a lot of breath

625
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 1: hold charts and did a lot of training UM and

626
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: and really did make giant leaps and improvements and in

627
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: my abilities. And and the reality is, like I think

628
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: I'm always going to be susceptible to the mistakes I've

629
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: been making. Uh, But it's it's a training and repetition

630
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: thing and and certainly a mental thing of knowing like

631
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 1: the safe way to push your boundaries and improve and

632
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,280
Speaker 1: and sticking to that, you know. So it's it's awesome,

633
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 1: Like I just absolutely love it. Wasted my life, wasting

634
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: my life, and you're getting old. It's over now. I

635
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: still had fun with Felps. Here's a question Felps from

636
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: a listener. What what were your backpack setups on the

637
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: Elk episode. I had a x O Mountain year, which

638
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: I like, a whole bunch and then what you have

639
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: for and then explain your arrow set up because I

640
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: mimicked felps Ero set up. So I was running a

641
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 1: Cafar forty four mag on that sob in um pack

642
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 1: on that one, and then a similar we had similar size,

643
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: similar size. We knew we were only gonna be you know,

644
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 1: three to five days, so it was a perfect size

645
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: without a bunch of extra room. Um, we still have

646
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: the ability as soon as we killed to take you know,

647
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: a quarter out on that first low. It's a really

648
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: good setups in that that you know, four thousand and

649
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: five thousand range. But as far as the arrow setups, um,

650
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: we didn't go completely ashby. We just went with, you know,

651
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 1: a semi micro diameter arrow from Black Eagle, and we

652
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: put a lot of weight on the in the insert.

653
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 1: So I think we were both shooting at grains on

654
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: the insert and then we were both shooting a hundred

655
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: grain iron will broadheads. Um, so kind of not in

656
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: my my specific set up. I don't know where you

657
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: ended up. I have a longer arrow, a little bit

658
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:34,919
Speaker 1: heavier arrow. I was it like grains um total arrow? Yeah,

659
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, you're I think you're probably in

660
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: the low fives. I just wanted to switch everything up,

661
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: so I asked Felts that I should use, and that's

662
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 1: what Felps told me I should do. So I got

663
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: exactly the arrows and exactly the broadheads he said, and

664
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: had that like pretty close range frontal shot. That bull

665
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: took two steps and it looked like a garden holes

666
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: coming out of his brisket. Yeah. It fell over dead. Yeah,

667
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: like somebody watched it fall over dead. Yeah. I mean,

668
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: if you were to fill you know, Allen jug up

669
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: with some you know, water with some red food coloring

670
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: and you just drilled that and just watched it explode basically.

671
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: I mean it's it was like just a Yeah, I

672
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: heard Phelps bull go down and that was I was

673
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: twenty yards away from him and I heard it hit

674
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: the day. Yeah, very very short blood trails on those

675
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:25,240
Speaker 1: with the very controversial frontal shot. Um. There's a question

676
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: farrell goat hunting in Hawaii. Is there a process for

677
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,399
Speaker 1: Farrell goat hunting in Hawaii? There isn't. There isn't. We

678
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: were hunting on a private ranch, big ranch north of

679
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:38,720
Speaker 1: wai Kaloa. That charge like there's like a trespass fee.

680
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: There's a trespass fee, and then I think for different

681
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: species there's trophy fees as well. So it's like if

682
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: you kill something really big um that they're trying to

683
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 1: keep around, there's there's something. But I think there's a

684
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: lot of folks that you could call over there. And

685
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: then then the locals hunt. Just the locals just hunt

686
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: up in the mountains for goat and sheep, like just

687
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: local meat hunters go up and hunt the mountains. But

688
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: they're not gonna tell you. They're not gonna be like, oh, yeah,

689
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: I go here, No way, no way. If you're going

690
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,760
Speaker 1: through all the hassle like to get over to Hawaii

691
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: and all that, um, and you want to go do it?

692
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:18,439
Speaker 1: I mean that's what we did. Yeah. I think it's

693
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 1: a great first step at least, and for all the

694
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: activities that there are over there, it would be a

695
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: very efficient use of your time too. So um, someone

696
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: asked like, how Kimmy, what how deep was Kimmy going

697
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 1: under the water? Like, so we're talking about that seventy

698
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: ft thing. Kimmy can very comfortably fish at seventy feet.

699
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: She can fish over a hundred feet deep. I don't

700
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: know what her deepest dive is, but I mean she

701
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: can fish it a hundred and over a hundred feet

702
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: of water. Yeah. Um, yeah, she she did tell us that.

703
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: I mean it is it's she may have done like

704
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: one thirty for a minute and thirty. It's some something

705
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: very similar to that. I you know, after we were

706
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: done filming, we went fishing for a few days and

707
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: I didn't you know, witness I swam with Kimmy on

708
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 1: her birthday And that was like the day that she

709
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: must have been feeling very good and just decided to

710
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: not uh deal with me. I was there just trying

711
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: to keep up and watch the scene, and the depth

712
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: didn't stick out to me. But just the comfort of

713
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: being underwater underneath big boulders, underneath caves for long periods

714
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: of time with with you know, your your running line

715
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: from that attaches your spear to your gun, you know,

716
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: going all over the place through fish They're wrapping up

717
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: on things and from the top side looking down like

718
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: my heart was going because I was like, oh God,

719
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,240
Speaker 1: that the is not She's been down there a long time.

720
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: It seems like a dangerous situation or a potentially dangerous situation,

721
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: and but you're you're watching a person who is completely

722
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: confident and completely relaxed, Like there is no difference than heard, uh,

723
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 1: you know, untangling her fly line on the bank versus

724
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: untangling this line underneath. It's like Steve would say, would

725
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: be very like do do do do do do. I

726
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: went back with my wife and kids between Christmas and

727
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: New Year's The spearfish is Kimmy again and I'm so jealous. Man,

728
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: waste my life. I'll tell you that helps multiple times.

729
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: What was the tastiest fishy eight in Hawaii? Oh, we're

730
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 1: the camera operators using scuba or free diving free diving.

731
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: Kimmy's husband is a phenomenal Justin a phenomenal underwater photographer.

732
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: He shot Kimmy's husband. Justin shot a lot of the

733
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: underwater stuff. You're looking at the dirt shot out of it.

734
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: Dirt's comfortable in the water. Yeah. Rick Smith is a

735
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: Rick shot. Yeah. Some of the highly like some of

736
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: the real doozies were Justin Justin on the deep stuff.

737
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 1: And we we we actually uh yeah, and we'll probably

738
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,959
Speaker 1: we'll probably use him again. I'm hoping to use him again.

739
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: Oh definitely. I mean we talked about on on the

740
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: podcast that we did in Hawaii, but watching Kimmy do

741
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: her thing incredibly impressive. And then Justin is there, you

742
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: know basically driving uh, like an old portable television underwater

743
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: would be like a similar like you know, like a

744
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: fifteen inch old portable television for those of you old

745
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 1: enough to remember something like that. That's like what he

746
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: is pushing ahead of him in the water doing, you know,

747
00:43:54,160 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: very very similar. Yeah, and it's it's unreal. So we

748
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: did an episode about Ibex. Have you ever done the

749
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: Ibex hunt? Jack In New Mexico. I drew uh like

750
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: a the way the tags were because they have a

751
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,399
Speaker 1: once in a lifetime tag where you can hunt any

752
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: ibex and then get a big male and they got

753
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: what I don't know for horns are insane. I had

754
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 1: a tag this good for a female or immature billy.

755
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 1: So the horns gonna be like sub fourteen. And we

756
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: did an episode about this. This This is a great spot

757
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: and they they hang out in the Florida mountains and

758
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: someone asked, why don't they just strike off and why like,

759
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: why do they stay in the Florida's um. It's surrounded

760
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: by I'll start by saying they don't desert flats, but

761
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: it's surrounded by desert flats. So this this is a

762
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: mountain dwelling cliff dwelling. Credit. When I say cliff dwelling,

763
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: I mean they dwell on cliffs, vertical cliff faces. They

764
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: are quite at home hanging out on vertical cliff face.

765
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: So that's they're like, that's their refuge, vertical cliff faces. UM.

766
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: And this thing sits out there's like an island mountain chain.

767
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: It's like if you imagine a flat sea with a

768
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: rocky island on it. That's kind of like the flat

769
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: sea being the surrounding desert, and then you have this

770
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: rock pile. People even call the mountain range like the

771
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: rock so it's full of rattlesnakes. There's a lot of rattlesnakes. Ye.

772
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: When they get you know there, they just hang out

773
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: on the cliff faces to avoid predators. So he's got

774
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: to like give up that that desire to leave, and

775
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 1: they do leave. But the way they run it is

776
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: the state is comfortable with them being in the Floridas

777
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: where they were introduced. The state's not comfortable with them

778
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: being out of the Floridas. You can at any time,

779
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,760
Speaker 1: a new Mexican resident can any time buying ibex, tag

780
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: and shoot any ibex they see that's not in the

781
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: Florida Mountains, and they do strike off. And um our

782
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 1: friend on there, Jeremy Romero with Wildlife Federation. He uh,

783
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: fantastic human being. Yeah, probably one of the best Phelps

784
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: is gonna get offended by this. The best person on

785
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: the planet, Jeremy Romeo. I just come out and saying

786
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: the best person on the planet Jeremy Romeo, followed closely

787
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 1: by my children. Um uh, he's got friends and he's

788
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: they know people that have now and then like been

789
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 1: out doing something and one of the surrounding mountain chains

790
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: and be like, oh my god, and I bex and

791
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: you run down and get a tag and it's all yours.

792
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: And that's how they keep them from spreading out, which

793
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: is very similar to how do they're running to how

794
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 1: New Mexico is running the um Orcx situation where um

795
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 1: orracs were introduced down to the White Sands Missile Range.

796
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: They have a robust population there, it's very hard to

797
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: draw the tag. And then around White Sands they're running. Uh.

798
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: I think it's eleven seasons a year. Each season is

799
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: a month long. I drew that too, so you pick

800
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: your month when you apply, and like each seasons a

801
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: month long. So outside of the White Sands Missile Range

802
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 1: they're being hunted upper two hundred. I don't know what

803
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: the hell it is. I can't do the math very good.

804
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 1: Three days is it one month or two months? They

805
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: don't hunt them down there. I used to be twelve

806
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: months a year. I think it's ten months a year.

807
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 1: They're hunting them three hundred days a year off base,

808
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: and it's like when you get a tag it's on

809
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:36,240
Speaker 1: range off range, and they're just gradually getting them whittled

810
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: away where they're confined only to that missile range and anything. Basically,

811
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: it's not a free for all, but basically anything that

812
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:49,399
Speaker 1: disperses across that fence line is is basically up for grabs. UM.

813
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: And you'll see that most people that kill one when

814
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: you draw the off range, most orcs to get killed

815
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: or killed within five miles of defense. Anyways, people aren't

816
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: now and then they do. It's not like people are

817
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: finding them a hundred miles away. You know, they're kind

818
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: of getting them. They're getting the ones that flirt with

819
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: the border. Uh, this is one for ja. This is

820
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: what this is. This is I'm gonna have you field

821
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: this one. Because of where you live. When you head

822
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 1: into rattlesnake territory, do you wear anything different or carry

823
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: anything for extra protection? Being in Arizona, genuine Arizona. A

824
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: lot of guys wear snake shaps. I don't want to

825
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: say don't do it, but I don't. UM had a

826
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: lot of close encounters, but you just got to be

827
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 1: really aware of constantly watching the ground, constantly watching where

828
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: I'm putting my hands, my feet anything. You just stay

829
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 1: you stay vigilante. Can you can you answer for me

830
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: while we're on the subject, why in Sonora hunting COO's dear,

831
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,879
Speaker 1: why do you just not see rattlesnakes? So we've seen

832
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: a few um in twenty six years, so I don't

833
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: want to say you don't, but there becomes a point

834
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: in time when it's cold enough at night that most

835
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 1: of them den up because blow freezing every night. Yeah. Interesting.

836
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: We have a ranch in Chihuahua that we punted three

837
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: years in a row now and we found a snake

838
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: den and it's right up against this cliff face and

839
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: where you kind of have to walk to get up

840
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: on top to glass. You got it. The way the

841
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: angle of the hill is, you actually have to get

842
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: really close, like from here to the wall of this den.

843
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: And the first year the guys found it, you know,

844
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,479
Speaker 1: they came back that night and they were like, yeah,

845
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: we were, you know, walking along this cliff face, and

846
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 1: we heard one rattle and then we started looking in

847
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: and it was just full of snakes. And then one

848
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 1: of my guides, Nate, actually got down on all fours

849
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: and was looking in the hole, and one of the

850
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: other guys said, Nate, don't move, and in the grass

851
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: he was kind of down on all fours looking in.

852
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: I mean, it's pretty cool. I saw it this year.

853
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: There was a snake coiled right next to his left

854
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: hand and probably fifteen inches from his face. But it

855
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: was old, so he just kind of backed away. Um.

856
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: But they will get on those south facing slopes in

857
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,439
Speaker 1: their dens, and sometimes when it warms up, they will

858
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 1: just kind of ease out a little bit just to

859
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: get the warm soak it up a little bit. Um.

860
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: But the reason you don't see them as primarily they're

861
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: denned up when we're hunting. No, I no, I didn't

862
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: bother me. But on the New Mexico, Sam or a

863
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 1: producer about got it. Yeah. Well it's funny is there's,

864
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, like a great abundance of grasshoppers, you

865
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: know when they jump, Oh yeah, but you got hundreds

866
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: of them. So it's a constant noise of it grasshoppers

867
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 1: and we're walking along. And also there's like a like

868
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: a different cadence. And I don't even think Sam put

869
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 1: it together, no, but I like heard like a a

870
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: grasshoppers and she'd walk very It doesn't matter what time

871
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: of year it is for me When you you know,

872
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: you step on like dead grass or something and you

873
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: hear that noise, you know, when you get scared enough,

874
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: like initially you literally feel like your heart like I

875
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 1: just lost twenty minutes off my life when I still

876
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: hear grasshoppers click or or leaves or branches that just

877
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: have that sound of I've been around enough snakes that

878
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, I'm convinced I've probably taken a

879
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 1: month off my life when you add up all the

880
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: times that it wasn't a snake. But you've never been hit, no,

881
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: never been struck. Um oh, here's a question that came

882
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: in thermal imaging. We discussed thermal imaging on a recent podcast. Uh,

883
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: like Utah band thermal imaging, thermal night vision, which is

884
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: really like taking over though coyote. It's like firmly ingrained

885
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 1: into hog hunting. It's really impacting kyote hunting. Um Utah

886
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: bandit because I know that people are using the scout

887
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: right you follow her it all night long. Uh. And

888
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: he's asked, what about game recovery? In my view, I

889
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: don't understand that. I don't really understand the reasoning behind,

890
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: let's take away the enforcement aspect. Okay, like meaning this,

891
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: Let's say a state like Utah says okay, no thermal

892
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: imaging UM, and they just say you just can't use

893
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: thermal night vision equipment. It's probably because it's then it

894
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 1: winds up being that you have no reason to have

895
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: it with you in someone if you were allowed to

896
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: use it for game recovery, then he'd be like, oh no,

897
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: I just have it for game recovery. And it just

898
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: makes enforcement heart So if you never mind that complexity,

899
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 1: I don't see the reason. I don't see any reason

900
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: to do anything that that makes any rules that make

901
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: game recovery harder. I I think the laws that mean

902
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: you that say you can't use a leashed dog for

903
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 1: game recovery is stupid. It's already hit like let the

904
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: person find it. I think the and this is always

905
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 1: the issue, right, is like the where the intent gets misused.

906
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: So um in theory, is this going to uh make

907
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: that small fraction of the hunting population take a poorer shot,

908
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 1: try to force an opportunity that isn't really there because

909
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: they know they are. Their confidence lies in their game

910
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 1: recovery technology, Like my dog will find it. My dog

911
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,359
Speaker 1: will find you. Just gotta get a piece of it, Yeah,

912
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: get you know. Yeah, And so do you think do

913
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 1: you think that do you think that that would happen? Yeah? Absolutely?

914
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 1: I mean, but you know, what is the Venn diagram

915
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: of the overlap of the folks who don't even buy

916
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: a license or a tag and are out there hunting

917
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 1: with the folks who are like just just hack away

918
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: at it. We got thermal imaging in the trick. We'll

919
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 1: find it. Because the thing too a dog. You gotta

920
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: if you're using the blood tracking dog and it's on

921
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:02,879
Speaker 1: a leash um or you're using thermal imaging, the things

922
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:10,320
Speaker 1: as be dead. Well okay with the leash dog, Well no,

923
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 1: you're right, because it could be hold up under a

924
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: tree and you could jump it back up again. Yeah,

925
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 1: and then that, yeah, I get it. If there was

926
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 1: like a magical box that you know, it was like

927
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 1: break glass in case of right, I'd be like, yeah,

928
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 1: I have your thermal imaging in there, your blood trailing dog,

929
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: you're you know whatever, drone in the sky. Because I

930
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: don't like the idea wasted meat or or an animal

931
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 1: that's gonna suffer needlessly or whatever, Right, so it's it's

932
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: a tough one. Wasn't that the argument against iluminox. You

933
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 1: know it's like, you know you're gonna hunt too late

934
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: in the night, and I think you just other people

935
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: are like, well, no, it just helps with recovery, right,

936
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: So it's just kind of like a slippery slope that

937
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 1: I agree. Man, I think if you're just using it

938
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: for recovery, like let's say people are totally honest and

939
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 1: not dumb, then I would say the other side is too. Man.

940
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: With like thermal imaging, the investment level you have to

941
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 1: go to to then go break the law, you know,

942
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: like you just got to imagine it's not like throwing,

943
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: you know, a spotlight in your backpack and you're like, oh,

944
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go night hunt. Now. It's like that

945
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: that level of investment that's required around thermal imaging. I

946
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 1: just don't see those folks want to go out there

947
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 1: and then like try to find something in then they

948
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: can shoot it. I think too, there's a thing where

949
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: people that don't understand the technology are always sort of

950
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 1: it would be like this, Let's say someone sitting in

951
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: Colorado and they're gonna sign a thing that says you

952
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: can't hunt lions with dogs, and their minds like, what's

953
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:52,320
Speaker 1: a challenge? You know, they just understand that the challenge

954
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,879
Speaker 1: is incredible, right. It's it's like, if you want to talk,

955
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,280
Speaker 1: what was the challenge? It's a lot harder than shooting

956
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 1: deer out of a cornfield? Yea, if we're gonna if

957
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 1: everything's like, what's the challenge? Like, that's extraordinary. It's extremely challenging.

958
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: You have to know a lot to pull that off.

959
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 1: But I think that people look at technologies that didn't understand.

960
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,839
Speaker 1: They're also like they don't imagine being like this, um

961
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 1: they image being like it just simplifies everything. But we

962
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,959
Speaker 1: had the experience where we got from. We we got

963
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: some renter loner night vision equipment from this place called

964
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 1: Ultimate night Vision to mess around with it. And dude,

965
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: it's not like you just walk out and also you're like,

966
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 1: oh ah, right, you know we were blowing a predator

967
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,399
Speaker 1: call at night. That stuff. There's a learning curveage. It's

968
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: it's not that all of a sudden, like the world

969
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 1: becomes easy, right you kind of we're sitting there, I

970
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 1: don't know, is it an orangutang? You just see a

971
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: little no it's a little baby mouse five ft. For me,

972
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 1: it's either like a it's either a dear way out

973
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 1: or it's a little baby mouse nibbling on my toe.

974
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: I can't tell because I'm divorced from all spatial. Yeah,

975
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 1: you don't have any spatial. This uh. This guy came

976
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,760
Speaker 1: and visiting me a Javier for with Wounded Warrior Outdoors

977
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: and we went out with that thermal going after coyotes

978
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh g He's like, we got a

979
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 1: cout coming in. It's coming into the call and he's

980
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: getting all amp and I'm like, I just do not

981
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 1: because I was looking through thermal, like I do not

982
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: see this kylet and I'm like you sure, And he's

983
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 1: like yeah, I can see his xagg into us, and

984
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, god, dang, you know, so I just like

985
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: all I can see is that baboon. So I like

986
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 1: I pulled my eye out of the scope right because

987
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 1: we're like right next to each other. And I looked

988
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 1: and his a R is pointed like I'm not kidding you,

989
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 1: like fifteen feet in front of him and he's looking

990
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 1: down and look and it was a mouse. And he's

991
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: watching this mouse from back and forth right, but like

992
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: that spatial awareness because he couldn't see the train, you know,

993
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: and the stubble field looked like hills to him. That

994
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: was a Kyle running in and it was a mouse

995
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: at It's it's you know, I mean not even to

996
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: say like what anyone ought to do about just saying

997
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 1: you sort of get in your head that that there's

998
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: certain things that do have certain magical capabilities, and then

999
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 1: you messle and you're like, I'm guessing you could get there.

1000
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: Like if you're in the military and you train for

1001
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: years and years and years using this stuff, you probably

1002
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: get Really then you're probably it does become magical. But

1003
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:03,919
Speaker 1: just to open up a box and throw those things

1004
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: on or look through a scope, you're like more confused

1005
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: and you would be wandering around the dark at first.

1006
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 1: I do want to say, like in H. Garrett's UH

1007
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: point about the investment, like how many people that UH

1008
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 1: would weed out from wrongdoing. I was interviewing a game

1009
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: warden years ago and he had told me He's like,

1010
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: you know, I don't care that much about the fines.

1011
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: He's like, I don't go for big fines. It's like

1012
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 1: what I go for is stuff. He's like I sees

1013
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 1: the toys. That's how you hurt these guys. He's like

1014
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: custom rifles. He's like, these folks have a laundry list

1015
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: of fines and things that they're already not paying child

1016
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 1: support that they're already h He's like, but you want

1017
00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 1: to see somebody have a come to Jesus moment. He's like,

1018
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: you see that custom rifle that they're so proud of.

1019
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: There is five thousand dollar thermal scope UM and bald.

1020
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 1: You have you got any insight into that at all? No, definitely,

1021
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: we we saw that where it was like you said

1022
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 1: that typically the folks who are out doing that are

1023
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 1: exactly that they're already not paying the fines, already not

1024
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 1: doing any of that stuff. And yeah, it's the physical

1025
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 1: possessions that they're worried about losing. Um. You know, I'd

1026
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: used thermals and and and night vision both in law enforcement,

1027
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 1: and that I have to agree. It's that's why the

1028
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 1: like the Navy Seals have the four two goggles versus

1029
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 1: a you know, minocular that you're gonna see, you know,

1030
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: in the civilian market, depth perception, and it's it's tough.

1031
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: You have a hard time, you know it takes a

1032
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: lot of practice shooting with that stuff and uma, it's

1033
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 1: just a whole different world. But I agree as well

1034
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 1: that the like like you said before, that the um

1035
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 1: there are a small number of people out there who

1036
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: if they have it with them, if they have that

1037
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 1: break glass in case of emergency situation, that would be great.

1038
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 1: But there's often to a lot of people out there

1039
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 1: that are going to be well, I brought it for this,

1040
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 1: but it's gonna help me find it, so I'm just

1041
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 1: gonna use it now and then tell them I didn't

1042
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: you know until I brought it with me. For the others.

1043
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 1: I'll tell you one application for me for thermal imaging,

1044
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 1: which I've never used, but all my buddies were thinking, oh,

1045
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: you could find a big bowl or a big buck

1046
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: or whatever. I thought about turkeys roosted in a tree

1047
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 1: being a turkey hunter. How many times do you roost

1048
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 1: birds at night but you don't know exactly where they're at.

1049
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 1: You go in in the morning and you're like, do

1050
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 1: I shock them and wake them up? And then I

1051
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,919
Speaker 1: got to move a little closer and then they might

1052
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: hear me, see me whatever. And the application I thought

1053
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 1: of it would be like I know they're pretty close.

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01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 1: Oh there they are, Okay, I need to move up

1055
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 1: a little bit closer. You don't have to make any noise.

1056
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 1: Then you can just let them wake up and know

1057
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: that man go at one of the more because if

1058
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 1: you say, like no, find him at one in the

1059
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 1: morning and make a way point, because if you made

1060
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 1: him a little nervous at four in the morning, five

1061
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 1: of the morning, they'll be like all settled back down

1062
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 1: and it'll be like, whatever happened happened. But when the

1063
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 1: thermal imaging thing over the last couple of years has

1064
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 1: gotten big and we're just talking about big Bucks, I'm

1065
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 1: thinking about turkeys, I'm like, what an awesome opportunity to

1066
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 1: just be able to know exactly where they're at because

1067
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 1: I'm always in the morning going God, I don't really

1068
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 1: want to shock him because then I wake him up.

1069
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 1: Okay them? May I ask you this now? Yeah? Would

1070
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 1: you do it? I don't know, because here's the here's

1071
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 1: the question, and this is like the basis of this, right,

1072
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 1: is the gobbler you got that way as good as

1073
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 1: on a purity, the same gobbler that you made the

1074
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 1: wrong call to shock. You had to move they got nervous.

1075
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 1: They went the other way, and you had to come

1076
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 1: back the next morning, screwed it up again, But the

1077
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 1: third morning you got him. I think I think I've

1078
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 1: screwed up so much that I might if it was legal.

1079
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if it actually is, but I think

1080
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 1: I might do it to just be able to be

1081
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 1: in position, know that I'm set up, um to have

1082
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 1: an interaction. I don't know, but I thought of turkeys.

1083
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 1: Everyone else is thinking a big box. I'm thinking about turkeys. Yeah,

1084
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 1: it's a it's a real. Um. There's a Pandora's box

1085
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 1: man hiding at thermal scope box. Uh would you? Here's

1086
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 1: the guy rolling in this good one. I don't really

1087
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 1: get this. Did you read this cow? The guys saying that, um,

1088
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 1: what state is this? In Central Virginia? Does a guy

1089
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 1: raising none? Okay? He has a local Oh my god,

1090
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 1: it's so confusing to me. There's a new animal product

1091
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 1: being offered by a farm in my area. He goes

1092
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 1: on to say, in a partnership with another farm that

1093
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 1: is committed to sustainable egg practices. One of my local

1094
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 1: producers is offering local non GMO. That's like, okay, but no,

1095
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 1: I guess that doesn't. Yeah, there's no such thing as

1096
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 1: the gmo rainbow trout available to anyone, but they could

1097
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 1: be fed a non gmo corn. I suppose, so he's

1098
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 1: offering local, non gmo, no antibiotic rainbow trout raised and

1099
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 1: low capacity pens in a river. They're feeding him on

1100
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 1: wild venison. How is that true? The trout feed is

1101
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 1: described as not the normal GMO grains and antibiotics and

1102
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 1: a dirty, tight capacity system. This is still quoting. They

1103
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 1: have a survival rate, which goes to show what a

1104
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 1: great setup it is for the fish. This is some

1105
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 1: of the only, some of the only ethically raised fish

1106
01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 1: in the country that's okay. Feeding the us in is

1107
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 1: a double win as it thins the overpopulation of deer

1108
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 1: and gives the rainbow trout an excellent non gmo food.

1109
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 1: First off, wild deer not non gmo, especially in Virginia,

1110
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 1: because they're eating in gmo fields probably every night. But

1111
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:23,959
Speaker 1: what are they talking about? It could be that these

1112
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 1: are road kill, would be my That would be the

1113
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 1: easy answer. So then if the cars are thinning the population,

1114
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:33,439
Speaker 1: it's the cars that are thin the population. You gotta

1115
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 1: keep in mind, like the big Sorry, I want to

1116
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 1: use the word battle because but it happens on a

1117
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 1: lot of the national monuments over there that are battle

1118
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 1: fields where you have these crazy spikes and white tail population.

1119
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 1: They're getting them from sharpshooters who are could be some

1120
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 1: of that. Um, So that would be like the sourcing part.

1121
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 1: But the question of like would you eat that eats

1122
01:04:56,400 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 1: this that's surprising is like yeah, of course, because you

1123
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 1: have no idea what a wild turkey has consumed in

1124
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 1: Virginia's non GMO is just not true. It's just not

1125
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 1: not true. Yeah, Um, the and you know, like what

1126
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 1: what a beef for pig or chicken eats before it

1127
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 1: gets to your plate, Like I think you'd get surprised

1128
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 1: on what at least or at least that's a closed system.

1129
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you can you can tell what you know.

1130
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 1: But there's a question in there of like would you

1131
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 1: eat rainbow trout that eat deer? Wild rainbow uh anywhere

1132
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 1: in the country or wild brown trout a cutthroat. They're

1133
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 1: all eating, they're normal things and then they're trying out

1134
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 1: some odd things. Um, and you have no clue what

1135
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 1: you're going to find in that stomach. Really, like, for instance,

1136
01:05:56,680 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 1: like that I caught last year was I always do

1137
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 1: a little stomach contents check, and you know it's like

1138
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 1: I have a pretty good idea what they eat. But

1139
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 1: this guy's gout had several rounds of what without testing

1140
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 1: is a wild gas, but I would describe as cheddar

1141
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 1: brought elk sausage. They had a distinct look of wild game,

1142
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 1: and I think you could attracted back to a local processors.

1143
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I I'd much rather eat a fish to

1144
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 1: eat deer than like worms. Like the deer seems like

1145
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 1: a lot better option the in and of itself. If

1146
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 1: someone told me that there's a great fish and it

1147
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 1: eats deer, I wouldn't care. I just like I guess

1148
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 1: I'm not able to really focus in on his question.

1149
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 1: I'm more the details that leave me with a lot

1150
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 1: of questions that he even goes need to say. I'll

1151
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 1: keep the names of the farm operations out of this email.

1152
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:57,600
Speaker 1: Here's a good one. We're getting around it. We're gonna

1153
01:06:57,600 --> 01:06:59,040
Speaker 1: get We're getting into cow's deer in a minute. Here,

1154
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 1: here's no one they gotta knew. Uh, everybody knows, like

1155
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 1: the COVID vaccine was an m r NA vaccine, um man,

1156
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 1: these guys at Yale got one worked out for lime disease.

1157
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 1: Very fascinating because it doesn't uh let me, let me

1158
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 1: put it to this way. So, the m r NA

1159
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 1: vaccine targets the antigens found in ticks aliva and alerts

1160
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 1: individuals to tick bites by triggering an immune response at

1161
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 1: the site of the bite. The vaccine also prevents the

1162
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 1: tick from feeding correctly, so it will quickly fall off

1163
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 1: the host, thereby reducing its ability to transmit pathogens and

1164
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 1: providing partial protection against the tick causing bacteria. Which is

1165
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 1: is I mean, I'd I'd sign up for that. I mean,

1166
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 1: I'm thinking right now about turkeys, and was talking to

1167
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:57,480
Speaker 1: a friend of mine in Tennessee about going to get turkeys,

1168
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:02,040
Speaker 1: and I mean, you you just get covered in tacks

1169
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:05,760
Speaker 1: and they're the tiny one, you know. The I wonder

1170
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 1: if this one will become highly politicized. Well, no one's

1171
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:10,800
Speaker 1: gonna come and tell you you have to get it,

1172
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 1: so it might not become politicized. If it's just like

1173
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 1: a thing. If if you want to go get it, it

1174
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:18,439
Speaker 1: it probably won't be political. Yeah, if someone says, by God,

1175
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:23,639
Speaker 1: by Monday, it's a creepy deal man. I man, Yeah,

1176
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 1: the TICK experience I had with UM, limes disease and

1177
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:31,720
Speaker 1: UM and you know the journey that you went through

1178
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 1: as well, Steve, Like, that's scary stuff. Man, I don't

1179
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:40,040
Speaker 1: For our next close calls, UM, for our next Close

1180
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 1: Calls series, I'm gonna tell the Tick story. That's a

1181
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:44,840
Speaker 1: good one. I'm gonna have Jimmy sit down on it too.

1182
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 1: You me and my boy are gonna tell our lime

1183
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:49,640
Speaker 1: disease story, the heartbreaking Yeah, we haven't done it yet,

1184
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 1: but I'm looking forward to telling it. Close call. Uh speak,

1185
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 1: Here's here's one for you. J speaking of being blind

1186
01:08:57,360 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 1: going blind? No, seriously. So, we cover a lot of

1187
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 1: in the Close Calls series. We talked about this too.

1188
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:09,480
Speaker 1: We cover a lot of situations where UM hunters mistakenly

1189
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 1: identify a hunter for game, okay, shoot people on shooting

1190
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 1: other hunters an accident. An eye doctor writes in He's

1191
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 1: got a very interesting point that I hadn't considered in

1192
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 1: all these discussions we've had UM. He says, as an optometrist,

1193
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:29,879
Speaker 1: I'm curious as to what type of vision the hunters

1194
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 1: have that mistakenly shot another hunter thinking there were some

1195
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:37,120
Speaker 1: big game animal I'm stereotyping here. This is him the

1196
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 1: eye doctor talking. I'm stereotyping here, but slightly far sighted

1197
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:48,599
Speaker 1: middle age males for years of age. Which middle aged

1198
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:52,559
Speaker 1: males that age. That's a lot of hunters, right. Most

1199
01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 1: of them that have never worn glasses before, eventually lose

1200
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 1: their distance clarity in the same age as mentioned before.

1201
01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:03,240
Speaker 1: And most of the time they say they see just fine.

1202
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 1: But he goes on to say, not according to my

1203
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 1: visual acuity charts. I wonder if they see a blurry

1204
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 1: ma million blob because they see quote just fine and

1205
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 1: decided and decided to shoot. Sometimes, putting a new pair

1206
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 1: of distance prescription glasses on a dude that thinks they

1207
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 1: can see, it's like putting distance prescription on a kid

1208
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 1: who truly has never seen clearly before. They're like wow.

1209
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:37,799
Speaker 1: So he goes on to say, if you're a hunter, uh,

1210
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 1: maybe there is cause for you now, and then get

1211
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 1: your eye exam. There could be someone who's spent their

1212
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 1: whole life thinking they see everything just great, and it's

1213
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:51,880
Speaker 1: the decline is so gradual that pretty soon they see

1214
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:53,600
Speaker 1: a movement and they feel like, well, how would I

1215
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 1: make that mistake? But they're just not seeing the way

1216
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 1: they were seeing. I am that guy five years ago,

1217
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:01,880
Speaker 1: ten years ago, and you're not meaning to do anything wrong,

1218
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 1: but you think you have capabilities you don't. This year

1219
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:07,680
Speaker 1: in the fall at the Odd six Ranch Hunter, we

1220
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:12,599
Speaker 1: were actually drive into a spot in elk. Some milk

1221
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 1: ran out and he goes check out that bowl and

1222
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:15,720
Speaker 1: I could tell it was a bull just because of

1223
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:17,559
Speaker 1: his body. And I could tell it was a bull.

1224
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:22,559
Speaker 1: He's like he's got a little kicker without popping up

1225
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:25,720
Speaker 1: my binos. I mean, he's twenty six years old and

1226
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:28,800
Speaker 1: can see it like that at two yards and I

1227
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:32,760
Speaker 1: used to be able to. I just saw an elk,

1228
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:34,800
Speaker 1: could tell it was a bull, but I had to

1229
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 1: pop my bino was up to even see what he

1230
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 1: was talking about. To me, that was kind of the

1231
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:41,559
Speaker 1: straw of like, hey, I need to go get surgery.

1232
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:47,639
Speaker 1: And now it's amazing how driving, you know, I mean,

1233
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:50,439
Speaker 1: I'm even thinking like this summer, like rowing my raft

1234
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 1: and stuff. How blurry I was actually seen not being

1235
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 1: able to see you know what I was missing? Yeah? Interesting, Yeah,

1236
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 1: And it was just kind of a blurry blob. You

1237
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 1: can still see it, but you can't define it. That

1238
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:09,000
Speaker 1: makes sense. I'm curious though, with these accidents, if it's

1239
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:13,680
Speaker 1: a like, do you imagine that this guy was like

1240
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:15,559
Speaker 1: looking at it and was like, I can't really tell

1241
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 1: what it is on his shoot and it's like this

1242
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 1: calm or like is it a site issue or a

1243
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 1: judgment excitement issue? But let's play let's play the optometris.

1244
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 1: Let's play he's not saying he doesn't know for sure,

1245
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:26,800
Speaker 1: he's sound. It's a thing to wonder about, but let's

1246
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:29,840
Speaker 1: let's like take that as a thing. It would be

1247
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:33,880
Speaker 1: that you've hunted your whole life and you've learned to

1248
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 1: like really trust your vision, but you don't realize that

1249
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 1: it's gone down and you're operating on a cockiness that

1250
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 1: came from that you developed over years of seeing very well.

1251
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:48,559
Speaker 1: I like it's a reasonable thing to bring up, but

1252
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:52,639
Speaker 1: I think it goes back to I mean, everyone needs

1253
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:55,479
Speaker 1: to pull up their buyos and do a check and

1254
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 1: say what am I shooting at? And I am not

1255
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:03,479
Speaker 1: in any way excusing shooting people. I feel this guy's

1256
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:05,760
Speaker 1: I feel this guy's got like a couple of open

1257
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:08,760
Speaker 1: slots and his like his schedule and he's trying to

1258
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:13,439
Speaker 1: fill them. Let's let's I can't fathom, even if my

1259
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 1: eyesight it was going bad, how you would ever get

1260
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:20,360
Speaker 1: to the point of let's just say regard let's take

1261
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:23,439
Speaker 1: people out of it. A black bear versus an both

1262
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 1: walk on four feet, Like, how do you ever get

1263
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:28,840
Speaker 1: to the point where you mistakenly to me, that means

1264
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:33,040
Speaker 1: you're replacing an entire animal color characteristics, You've made the

1265
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:34,720
Speaker 1: decision to pull the trigger on what you think is

1266
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:40,519
Speaker 1: behind the shoulder, Like, I'm not buying it. I'm just

1267
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:44,440
Speaker 1: saying that I don't think that would ever be even maybe, uh,

1268
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:48,599
Speaker 1: you know, in all the cases where a hunter has

1269
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 1: shot another hunter, you don't think that poor vision I

1270
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:55,960
Speaker 1: might have something to do with some of it. I

1271
01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:58,640
Speaker 1: think it could start it. But at the end of it,

1272
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 1: there's got to be a judgment. Fact. I mean, you

1273
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:04,640
Speaker 1: have to end up everything. There's a judgment. I know

1274
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Similar to Jay's example where he right

1275
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:09,760
Speaker 1: off the bat he was off. But then there's the progressions.

1276
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:11,639
Speaker 1: There's that decision tree where you're gonna get a better look,

1277
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 1: You're gonna figure out if that's the animal you want

1278
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 1: to shoot, where are you going to shoot it? Like

1279
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 1: there's like seven more stops, like the initial eyesight might

1280
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:20,840
Speaker 1: have got you going down the wrong track, but yeah,

1281
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:23,640
Speaker 1: I know, I'm with you. You might you might have

1282
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:26,640
Speaker 1: been like, oh, oh, here's something, but then there's like

1283
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:28,719
Speaker 1: six things that need to happen and you somehow skip

1284
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:31,120
Speaker 1: them all. Yeah. That's when when someone shoots a person

1285
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 1: hunting and I was like, holmet, so you thought you

1286
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 1: were aiming behind its front shoulder or where like you'd

1287
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 1: picked your spot. I would argue though, that almost every

1288
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:45,800
Speaker 1: single accident involved someone shooting without pulling up their binals

1289
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:49,640
Speaker 1: to check what they're shooting at. Are you with me

1290
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:53,080
Speaker 1: on that? Yeah? No, you know what if the time

1291
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:57,040
Speaker 1: and the finals, I think it would eliminate every almost

1292
01:14:57,080 --> 01:15:00,639
Speaker 1: every um. What would it be false? That'd be interesting

1293
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:02,439
Speaker 1: thing to look at is if if you could have

1294
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:04,280
Speaker 1: a if you could have sat down and done like

1295
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 1: exhaustive interviews with everyone who's done a mistake and identity shooting,

1296
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:09,320
Speaker 1: would you ever find someone who would say like, oh no, no,

1297
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:13,040
Speaker 1: I even put my spot in scope on it? No way? Yeah? Right,

1298
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:15,599
Speaker 1: I mean, and I think a lot of these cases

1299
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 1: come out of areas where there's not a lot of

1300
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:23,840
Speaker 1: bino use period, Right, they don't have kind of a

1301
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:26,320
Speaker 1: site shot. You know, you hear something and you're so

1302
01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 1: lamped to get something. The turkey accidents, right, it's like that,

1303
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:34,880
Speaker 1: like the highly um advertised incident in Colorado of this year,

1304
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 1: you know, open site muzzleloaders, so they're just you know,

1305
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:40,960
Speaker 1: optics are probably never being brought into the situation. Did

1306
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:43,479
Speaker 1: you hear the episode we did with the turkey guy

1307
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:47,720
Speaker 1: that got shot turkey hunting twice in the same place. What, yeah,

1308
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:52,439
Speaker 1: and had to he got you, Preston Pittman. It's been

1309
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:54,639
Speaker 1: shot twice turkey hunting. He's a great in the same

1310
01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:58,160
Speaker 1: place or like in the same spot hunting spot and

1311
01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:01,840
Speaker 1: and had two very different attitudes him the shooters. One

1312
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:06,320
Speaker 1: shooter was uh so distraught and apologetic that he quit

1313
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:09,599
Speaker 1: hunting and Preston Pittman had to gradually get him back

1314
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 1: into hunting. And the other guy was mad at Preston. Well,

1315
01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:19,200
Speaker 1: Preston sounds exactly like a turkey, so he probably called

1316
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:22,200
Speaker 1: him right, and he was blaming the guy that shot

1317
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 1: up was blaming him. Well you shouldn't, you know, you're

1318
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:30,240
Speaker 1: kind so so it's my fault that you just shot

1319
01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:32,840
Speaker 1: me with the shotgun. That is one thing that I

1320
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:35,640
Speaker 1: always tell people, like, if you're calling no matter what

1321
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:38,439
Speaker 1: animal it is, and you start hearing other hunters come

1322
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:40,479
Speaker 1: your way, A lot of guys think it's fun to

1323
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 1: call in other hunters and you're like, oh, I called

1324
01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:46,880
Speaker 1: I called Jay Scott in you know where, right called

1325
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:49,639
Speaker 1: Phelps in? Like they would would be like, oh, look

1326
01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:52,559
Speaker 1: what I did. I always say, listen, if you start

1327
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:55,880
Speaker 1: hearing other hunters call back to you, like I would

1328
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:58,160
Speaker 1: not be the first one to just jump up say

1329
01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:02,519
Speaker 1: hey hunter, like it's not worth calling him in nice

1330
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:06,400
Speaker 1: and clothes, don't mess with it. Yeah, you don't wait

1331
01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:11,160
Speaker 1: till he's trying to plug your Yeah. One number nine

1332
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 1: shot t s sanges things a lot Abernathy, I can't

1333
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:20,560
Speaker 1: remember what shot size. He was saying he shouldn't be

1334
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:23,640
Speaker 1: able to use. This So funny because Robert Abernathy's like,

1335
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 1: maybe someone had fives. I don't tell he had. And

1336
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 1: he's like, man, I don't think you should be able

1337
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:34,599
Speaker 1: to use those. That hurts what he's talking about because

1338
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:37,600
Speaker 1: he'd been shot, He's been shot by someone using that.

1339
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:41,320
Speaker 1: He doesn't think it's a good turkey load. He put

1340
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:42,720
Speaker 1: I think I told us, did I tell the story

1341
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:45,880
Speaker 1: about him. He put his He was sitting there listening

1342
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 1: to a bird calling, listening to a guy. They're just

1343
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:49,680
Speaker 1: trying to think about where it was and how he's

1344
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 1: gonna get over there. And he puts his foot up

1345
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:57,840
Speaker 1: on the stump. Byam, the guy shoots him in the leg.

1346
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:04,000
Speaker 1: In conversation with the shooter, the shooter explained, when you

1347
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:08,320
Speaker 1: put your foot on that stump, it looked just like

1348
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:13,799
Speaker 1: a time going into full strut on real I exam,

1349
01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:21,879
Speaker 1: I exam, and you can get all sorts of Abernathy

1350
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:26,720
Speaker 1: fix on Season ten, a one in a million. I

1351
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:28,240
Speaker 1: don't want to say he's the best guy on the

1352
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:35,200
Speaker 1: planet because Jeremy Romeo, but he's close. Wonderful man, wonderful man.

1353
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:37,960
Speaker 1: Love the guy an American treasure. If you haven't seen

1354
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:40,800
Speaker 1: season town, it's live on Netflix right now. Check it

1355
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:43,599
Speaker 1: out and put a bunch of work into it. Cal's

1356
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:47,479
Speaker 1: and two episodes. I what percent is two out of five?

1357
01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:55,040
Speaker 1: Phelpst Cal's and of the episodes, which that's a lot bald,

1358
01:18:55,080 --> 01:19:02,439
Speaker 1: white little head, shelter turtle, see that, uh, A bunch

1359
01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:05,920
Speaker 1: of other awesome stuff. And can we say that we're

1360
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:11,839
Speaker 1: in the midst of working hard new episodes, new episodes

1361
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:15,599
Speaker 1: which would be not season ten, Part three but season

1362
01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:28,400
Speaker 1: eleven DVD DVD. Here's what we're gonna start talking about

1363
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:33,280
Speaker 1: COO's Deer. Um. Your hip to the fact that that

1364
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:37,160
Speaker 1: that the esteemed biologist James Halflefinger has once and for

1365
01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:40,360
Speaker 1: all put to rest. Not what the deer is called,

1366
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:49,120
Speaker 1: but like how that man pronounced his name. I've heard rumor. Yeah, um,

1367
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:51,960
Speaker 1: did you know that our our mutual acquaintance, Chris Denim

1368
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:55,160
Speaker 1: I think, has now said he's going to switch to cows. Yeah,

1369
01:19:56,680 --> 01:20:00,559
Speaker 1: I would. I would tell you that I don't know

1370
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:04,320
Speaker 1: anyone that uses cows deer other than Jim Heffelfinger. Well, now,

1371
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:07,720
Speaker 1: Chris Denham supposedly I know Chris. Do you see his

1372
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:09,360
Speaker 1: little stickers? I was gonna give you what I did.

1373
01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:13,400
Speaker 1: You actually sent me one one of your team, Kylie

1374
01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:17,880
Speaker 1: uh butcher the deer and not the name cows. But

1375
01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:21,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna keep calling him cous deer for sure, me too.

1376
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:24,280
Speaker 1: Do you think that there's um Do you feel that

1377
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:30,600
Speaker 1: you're the most you gotta be? You have to be

1378
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:32,840
Speaker 1: the most experienced Cou's deer hunter on the hunter on

1379
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:34,760
Speaker 1: the planet. I don't think, so who would be more?

1380
01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:38,120
Speaker 1: I don't know who would be more. I mean there's

1381
01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:41,040
Speaker 1: lots of guys that have more days in the field

1382
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:46,679
Speaker 1: than I do. Probably, yeah, I mean I have a lot,

1383
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:49,080
Speaker 1: but I don't bet there's no one that's seen more

1384
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:53,599
Speaker 1: than you. I mean I've definitely seen a lot for sure.

1385
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:56,720
Speaker 1: Think years, don't don't be don't be modest, but think

1386
01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 1: about it seriously for a second. Who can you think

1387
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:02,040
Speaker 1: of that might have seen more than you through a

1388
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:04,479
Speaker 1: pair of an actors. Well, I think one of the

1389
01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:06,879
Speaker 1: benefits that I do have as I go to Mexico

1390
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:09,760
Speaker 1: and have for twenty six years, and so your opportunity

1391
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 1: of getting to see a lot of bucks is big.

1392
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:14,800
Speaker 1: I had one of my guides acts actually asked me,

1393
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:16,679
Speaker 1: it's like, how many bucks do you think you've seen

1394
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:18,559
Speaker 1: in your life? And I was like, I never even

1395
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:21,920
Speaker 1: thought of it. And he's like, well, you've been going

1396
01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:24,080
Speaker 1: to Mexico for twenty six years, how many do you

1397
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:27,320
Speaker 1: see in a year? And I was like, probably a

1398
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:32,360
Speaker 1: hundred at least. He's like, that's twenty bucks. I've never

1399
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:35,720
Speaker 1: thought of it, but I you know, it's hard to

1400
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 1: believe I'll be forty nine this month. You know that

1401
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:41,200
Speaker 1: aspect alone, it's hard to believe I've been doing it

1402
01:21:41,240 --> 01:21:45,000
Speaker 1: for twenty six years. You know, it feels like you know,

1403
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:47,640
Speaker 1: I misfired up today about custar as I was the

1404
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:51,799
Speaker 1: first day I went out. Yeah, there's nothing. There's nothing

1405
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:55,880
Speaker 1: in me that has waned um with cous dear. I'm

1406
01:21:55,880 --> 01:21:58,960
Speaker 1: as excited to go. I'm as fired up to go

1407
01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:01,639
Speaker 1: when I see big deer. I get as excited as

1408
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:05,479
Speaker 1: I first did. Um, did you know, Felts, what age

1409
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:06,960
Speaker 1: was it that you were going to allow yourself to

1410
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:08,840
Speaker 1: shoot a white tail? I was gonna start white til

1411
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:11,679
Speaker 1: hunting at the age of seventy. So as much hunted

1412
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 1: as this guy has done, which is like like a lot.

1413
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:19,439
Speaker 1: He had never ever shot well until this year, had

1414
01:22:19,479 --> 01:22:23,160
Speaker 1: never shot a duck, had never shot a white tail

1415
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:26,519
Speaker 1: because he's so committed to Camille. Here is that any

1416
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:29,000
Speaker 1: type of white tail? No, I was reserving that for

1417
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:34,400
Speaker 1: the North American white tail, So I I the coup's dere.

1418
01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:38,400
Speaker 1: But now he broke like, how old you So you've

1419
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:40,559
Speaker 1: missed it by thirty two years. But I feel like

1420
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:43,080
Speaker 1: even though these just carry the name of white tail,

1421
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:47,080
Speaker 1: the hunting can't be considered white tail hunting. So you

1422
01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:49,200
Speaker 1: don't regret having gotten one. Oh, not at all. Like

1423
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:51,800
Speaker 1: I was telling j before the podcast, like I'm trying

1424
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:53,599
Speaker 1: to figure out how to go again next year. Yeah.

1425
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:55,360
Speaker 1: He was asking a lot of questions about your outfit,

1426
01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:59,080
Speaker 1: je because someone said something. Yeah, he said something like

1427
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:03,719
Speaker 1: jay'son as if you really want to go see some couzier,

1428
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:06,040
Speaker 1: you gotta go, like, you know, eight miles south of

1429
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:08,200
Speaker 1: the border. And we're like, now we're fine with our plays,

1430
01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:09,639
Speaker 1: Like we're gonna stick to our place. So the day

1431
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:17,519
Speaker 1: we die and Jason perk right up, he's like, sowhere now. Yeah,

1432
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 1: So you don't regret going and doing it. No, not

1433
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:22,960
Speaker 1: one break. It was extremely fun hunt, Like one of

1434
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:25,800
Speaker 1: the best deer hunts I've ever been on. What is it?

1435
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:28,840
Speaker 1: Why is it so fun? Man? It's hard to I

1436
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:30,200
Speaker 1: was trying to put it all together. I don't know

1437
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:32,400
Speaker 1: if it's like I was telling Jay a game before,

1438
01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 1: like the combination of you're seeing just enough deer. I mean,

1439
01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:38,040
Speaker 1: it's still hard. These things are hard to spot even

1440
01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:40,920
Speaker 1: when you know they're in your your optics, Um, you're

1441
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:43,320
Speaker 1: seeing enough bucks, you know, It's almost seems like it's

1442
01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:45,320
Speaker 1: a one to one buck the door ratio, so you're

1443
01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:47,920
Speaker 1: not just like glassing up eighty does a day to

1444
01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 1: see two bucks. So it's like a good balance. They're

1445
01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:52,880
Speaker 1: just sneaky and you know, do cuse deer stuff enough

1446
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:55,200
Speaker 1: to get away from you time and time again, so

1447
01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 1: when you do spot them, it's not a guarantee. And

1448
01:23:56,840 --> 01:24:00,000
Speaker 1: it's just that combination of you're probably gonna find success.

1449
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:02,880
Speaker 1: It's just how it's all gonna come together, which is

1450
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:04,640
Speaker 1: kind of like the perfect mix. And then you know

1451
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:08,040
Speaker 1: it's Jay mentioned earlier, just an off grid feel of it.

1452
01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:10,640
Speaker 1: You know, you've got the cowboys running around and you

1453
01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:14,080
Speaker 1: know doing you know, they basically work to live, and

1454
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:15,760
Speaker 1: it was just it was just something cool about it,

1455
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:18,840
Speaker 1: just you know, kind of untouched country. It seems like,

1456
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:21,640
Speaker 1: yeah it is, Um it's wanna kind of like my

1457
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:23,960
Speaker 1: favorite thing now is hunting Youth Deer Season, which is

1458
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:26,320
Speaker 1: two days long. I love hunting Youth your Season with

1459
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 1: my kids, but um, it sounds like a seasonal highlight.

1460
01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:37,840
Speaker 1: You just get so lost mentally. You know, there's enough

1461
01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:40,280
Speaker 1: going on. I thought about a bunch of times before,

1462
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:43,680
Speaker 1: but like for me, I have the most fun when

1463
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:47,240
Speaker 1: there's when something's detailed enough and hard enough, there's you

1464
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:50,439
Speaker 1: don't have other things to think about, and once you

1465
01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:53,200
Speaker 1: get up and get going on the day, there's enough

1466
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:58,920
Speaker 1: just like excitement and things happening and um like visual

1467
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:02,400
Speaker 1: st him you lie and this feeling of being like

1468
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:05,439
Speaker 1: in another land that until your until you go to bed,

1469
01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:06,920
Speaker 1: till you climb in your sleeping bag at night. It's like,

1470
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:08,840
Speaker 1: I don't think about anything what I'm doing. I just

1471
01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:11,160
Speaker 1: think about what I'm doing. I mean, we might have

1472
01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:12,960
Speaker 1: like a few laughs, you know, throughout the day, which

1473
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:14,599
Speaker 1: is just part of it, but for the most part

1474
01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:16,400
Speaker 1: you're just it's like this kind of time just to

1475
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:20,599
Speaker 1: really take whatever seven eight days and just focus on something.

1476
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:23,200
Speaker 1: I think one of the things too, it's like you said,

1477
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:27,240
Speaker 1: such a visual aspect with the glassing um and you know,

1478
01:25:27,320 --> 01:25:30,479
Speaker 1: we glass everything we hunt up here, and you know

1479
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:33,639
Speaker 1: the lower forty eight. But when you get to Mexico

1480
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:37,360
Speaker 1: and when you're specifically hunting coust here, it's so glass

1481
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:42,200
Speaker 1: ng intensive um and and you can have a big

1482
01:25:42,240 --> 01:25:44,040
Speaker 1: buck and he's running the dough and you can have

1483
01:25:44,120 --> 01:25:46,360
Speaker 1: him right in the center of your buyos and you

1484
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:49,400
Speaker 1: can literally start look away for a second, open your

1485
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:52,200
Speaker 1: pack to get your spotting scope out, and go back

1486
01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:55,840
Speaker 1: in your buyos and you're like, they're gone for the

1487
01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:58,559
Speaker 1: rest of the Where did they go? Where are they? What?

1488
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:03,800
Speaker 1: I just looked away for a second. Then sometimes they're

1489
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:07,000
Speaker 1: right there. They never moved, so you just looked for

1490
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:09,479
Speaker 1: you looked away, You look back in and you say

1491
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:12,920
Speaker 1: they're gone. Then you keep looking, keep looking, and they're

1492
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:16,599
Speaker 1: in the exact same spot. Okay. Then there's times when

1493
01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:18,920
Speaker 1: you do the same thing and you look and they

1494
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:22,120
Speaker 1: are gone, and I think, to me, that's what makes

1495
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:25,880
Speaker 1: acoustier so exciting is the fact that you know when

1496
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:29,040
Speaker 1: a bull ilkus down in there at yards and he's

1497
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:30,880
Speaker 1: in your buyos and you look away from your spinning

1498
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:32,559
Speaker 1: scipe most of the time, as soon as you pop

1499
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:37,120
Speaker 1: back in, he's right there. Acoustier could literally be standing

1500
01:26:37,479 --> 01:26:41,519
Speaker 1: with his face, you know, turned this way and rack

1501
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:44,760
Speaker 1: shining in the sun, and you're clearly focused. You look

1502
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:47,880
Speaker 1: away for a second, back in and it's like you

1503
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:50,920
Speaker 1: really have to look, and he's not changed his pose

1504
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:54,160
Speaker 1: at all. I had something very similar. We're I was

1505
01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:55,760
Speaker 1: walking to meet up with Yanni. Know, I was kind

1506
01:26:55,760 --> 01:27:00,200
Speaker 1: of done glass and the point um, and I look

1507
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:04,280
Speaker 1: and naked eye one it's it's two yards away. I

1508
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:06,280
Speaker 1: see what my naked eye and it's and I mark

1509
01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:08,240
Speaker 1: it because it's right. I just in my head, I

1510
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:10,680
Speaker 1: just realized it's at the sunline. The sun's coming up

1511
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:12,559
Speaker 1: and it's at that line of like shade meat sun

1512
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:16,040
Speaker 1: on the hillside. I see with my naked eye. I

1513
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:18,559
Speaker 1: put my braoculars up and I registered I to be like, oh,

1514
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:21,120
Speaker 1: it's a buck. And I go to sit down so

1515
01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:23,400
Speaker 1: I get a more stable look. And then I'm like,

1516
01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:26,720
Speaker 1: that's some bitch snuck away. And I knew where he was.

1517
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:28,679
Speaker 1: He's on the shade line. And I looked and looked,

1518
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:30,040
Speaker 1: and I'm starting to try to look to see where

1519
01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:31,719
Speaker 1: he might have gone. And I go back and I realized,

1520
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:34,479
Speaker 1: like you're saying he had moved, he's in the exact

1521
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:38,720
Speaker 1: same position, in the exact same shade line. And just

1522
01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:41,720
Speaker 1: like and to me, that's the entry that that's what

1523
01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:46,080
Speaker 1: really gets it for me. And then Big Deer to um,

1524
01:27:46,120 --> 01:27:48,559
Speaker 1: you know when you when you are fortunate to get

1525
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:52,000
Speaker 1: big deer in your hands, to me, they're so unique.

1526
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:54,439
Speaker 1: Every rack is different, and that's what I like about him.

1527
01:27:54,479 --> 01:27:56,519
Speaker 1: You know, there's really no cookie cutter. When you get

1528
01:27:56,520 --> 01:28:00,400
Speaker 1: big ones, there's really no cookie cutter racks. They're all different,

1529
01:28:00,479 --> 01:28:03,400
Speaker 1: they all are shaped different, you know, summer wide, summer tall,

1530
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:07,200
Speaker 1: heavy than whatever. It may be extra guards, but when

1531
01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:11,439
Speaker 1: you start getting big mature, CU's deer. To me, that's

1532
01:28:11,479 --> 01:28:14,880
Speaker 1: just like the icing on the cake. It's a cool crater. Man,

1533
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:17,799
Speaker 1: Yeah it is. Uh what would you take on a Garrett?

1534
01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:22,920
Speaker 1: I mean, man, yeah, um, I feel like but I

1535
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:25,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't even say that it was white tail hunting, Like

1536
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:29,320
Speaker 1: it's just it felt like a cross between white tail

1537
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:32,479
Speaker 1: and mule deer. And then like this element of black

1538
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:34,879
Speaker 1: bear hunting where you're like sitting and watching these fingers

1539
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:37,120
Speaker 1: and waiting for the sun to come around. And I

1540
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:40,760
Speaker 1: think what I liked about it was you knew there

1541
01:28:40,840 --> 01:28:42,280
Speaker 1: was Like you come to a face and you know

1542
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:44,080
Speaker 1: there's deer on this face. There's enough deer where you

1543
01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:46,960
Speaker 1: know there's gonna be deer on this face somewhere. You

1544
01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:49,000
Speaker 1: just have to find them. And so it's like the

1545
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:51,800
Speaker 1: most intense glassing session I've ever had in my life,

1546
01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:54,640
Speaker 1: because it's like you know it's there, like or you

1547
01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:56,679
Speaker 1: can even watch it walk into a little brush patch

1548
01:28:56,760 --> 01:28:58,240
Speaker 1: and you know there's a deer there, and now you

1549
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:01,920
Speaker 1: just got to spend your morning, your all day, in

1550
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:05,960
Speaker 1: Paul's case, all freaking day in one spot looking at

1551
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:09,840
Speaker 1: this like brush line, waiting to see this like a

1552
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:13,719
Speaker 1: little tiny I mean, they're like how many pounds hunter pounds?

1553
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:16,599
Speaker 1: So it's like painting your dog kind of brownish gray

1554
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:18,280
Speaker 1: and then trying to find him the woods. You know.

1555
01:29:18,360 --> 01:29:20,280
Speaker 1: It's like and I think to add to that too,

1556
01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:23,200
Speaker 1: is like when they go into that brush pile, you

1557
01:29:23,200 --> 01:29:25,080
Speaker 1: don't know if they went in there and they betted down,

1558
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:27,559
Speaker 1: or they went in there, they're gonna squirt back out.

1559
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:29,720
Speaker 1: And then you're watching the brush pile, and you may

1560
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:32,200
Speaker 1: watch it for an hour and you're like and then

1561
01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:34,400
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, like thirty yards to the left,

1562
01:29:34,439 --> 01:29:37,080
Speaker 1: You're like, I've been watching the whole time, and somehow

1563
01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:39,640
Speaker 1: that sucker squirted out from there over to here, and

1564
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:42,000
Speaker 1: I've literally been watching and now he's just standing there

1565
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:44,560
Speaker 1: in the wide open. You know what I mean. It's

1566
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:47,519
Speaker 1: the buck. The buck I got this year. Uh phelps

1567
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:49,960
Speaker 1: saw it saw go down into this little timbered hole

1568
01:29:50,520 --> 01:29:53,040
Speaker 1: rutting the door or just yeah, he pushed he wasn't

1569
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:55,559
Speaker 1: super interested. It just kind of followed her off. We

1570
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:58,479
Speaker 1: surrounded the area, and I was even telling you, I'm like,

1571
01:29:58,479 --> 01:30:00,960
Speaker 1: there's no way if I'm sitting there, there's no way

1572
01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:05,760
Speaker 1: he's gonna come east. And we're kind of watching. Yanni got,

1573
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:08,120
Speaker 1: where's no way he's going west. I got, there's no

1574
01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:10,479
Speaker 1: way he's going east. Both of us are gonna see

1575
01:30:10,479 --> 01:30:12,760
Speaker 1: it if he goes to the north. I don't know

1576
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:14,120
Speaker 1: if both of us to see if he went to

1577
01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:19,360
Speaker 1: the south. And there's one little like potential out the north,

1578
01:30:19,479 --> 01:30:21,800
Speaker 1: always the back door. Yeah, And we sit there all

1579
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:23,760
Speaker 1: morning and I just happened to at one point look

1580
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:25,880
Speaker 1: over and be like, well, he got out of the trap.

1581
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:27,720
Speaker 1: I mean I still got him, but it was like

1582
01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:31,240
Speaker 1: and way out of the trap. He was way out

1583
01:30:31,240 --> 01:30:33,160
Speaker 1: of the trap, but standing there and playing side to me.

1584
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:36,200
Speaker 1: Over any other animal that I hunt, they have a

1585
01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:38,280
Speaker 1: way of like we call it going then in the

1586
01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:42,080
Speaker 1: tunnel system, Like we're all sitting around, like you guys

1587
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:45,559
Speaker 1: were watching for that buck and somehow he slipped out

1588
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:48,160
Speaker 1: of there. And it's not like you're farting around, you know,

1589
01:30:48,240 --> 01:30:51,439
Speaker 1: digging around in the pack or you're doing whatever everybody's looking,

1590
01:30:52,280 --> 01:30:54,120
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, someone's like, hey, I

1591
01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:56,080
Speaker 1: got him. He's way over here, and you're thinking, how

1592
01:30:56,120 --> 01:30:58,400
Speaker 1: in the world did not even happen to me. They're

1593
01:30:58,439 --> 01:31:01,240
Speaker 1: the only animal that I hunt. They kind of have

1594
01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:04,639
Speaker 1: that element of like they're small enough and they're weary

1595
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:06,960
Speaker 1: enough that they just do that. I was really nervous

1596
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:09,400
Speaker 1: going into this because I don't have patients typically when

1597
01:31:09,439 --> 01:31:11,679
Speaker 1: I'm hunting. I you know, I'm like, I don't see anything.

1598
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:14,040
Speaker 1: Let's go see what's over the next ridge. And I

1599
01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:15,960
Speaker 1: didn't think I could sit there that long. But these

1600
01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:20,040
Speaker 1: quickly proved that you could sit there and just you

1601
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:23,160
Speaker 1: were always expecting to find something. You know it might

1602
01:31:23,160 --> 01:31:26,040
Speaker 1: take all day, but you just it kept your hopes up.

1603
01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:28,920
Speaker 1: I think all day just sitting there, like you'd glass

1604
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:31,160
Speaker 1: the same tree, the same bush, the same shadow, all

1605
01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:33,200
Speaker 1: day long, not seeing anything, and then all of a

1606
01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:35,320
Speaker 1: sudden there's one standing in the middle that you have

1607
01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:37,679
Speaker 1: no idea how he got there. Garrett made a comment,

1608
01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:40,960
Speaker 1: He's like, I don't want it to be I don't

1609
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:43,479
Speaker 1: need it to help me, but I would like when

1610
01:31:43,479 --> 01:31:45,519
Speaker 1: I finished glass in a spot and I won't take

1611
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:49,559
Speaker 1: any action. I would like a way to know how

1612
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:52,400
Speaker 1: many were there. Did I cover it? He's like, I'm not.

1613
01:31:52,479 --> 01:31:55,080
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go back. I'm not gonna exploit the information,

1614
01:31:55,160 --> 01:31:56,920
Speaker 1: but I would like when I'm all done, I would

1615
01:31:56,960 --> 01:32:00,840
Speaker 1: like someone to tell me, h, Garrett, you eight bucks

1616
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:06,040
Speaker 1: laying on that hillside, which might be just maddening to missing.

1617
01:32:06,520 --> 01:32:08,880
Speaker 1: I think one of the things too with coustre that

1618
01:32:09,040 --> 01:32:12,320
Speaker 1: that gets me so fired up is kind of the

1619
01:32:12,360 --> 01:32:16,920
Speaker 1: strategy and tactical standpoint of like, if you can consistently

1620
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:20,960
Speaker 1: be looking in the places where those deer are the most,

1621
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:25,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna see more. It sounds real elementary, but I

1622
01:32:25,040 --> 01:32:29,360
Speaker 1: have to be constantly, you know, on my podcast and Instagram,

1623
01:32:29,400 --> 01:32:31,800
Speaker 1: I askering answering a lot of questions, and that is,

1624
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:34,599
Speaker 1: you want to use the sun in the morning at

1625
01:32:34,600 --> 01:32:38,040
Speaker 1: your back, so you're using that sun to brighten and

1626
01:32:38,160 --> 01:32:44,000
Speaker 1: illuminate because they pop, but then you want to reverse that. Okay,

1627
01:32:44,200 --> 01:32:48,120
Speaker 1: as the sun is is, you know, getting till midday

1628
01:32:48,200 --> 01:32:51,040
Speaker 1: and afternoon, you want to be focused with the sun

1629
01:32:51,040 --> 01:32:54,120
Speaker 1: in your face, looking in the shade and if you

1630
01:32:54,160 --> 01:32:56,800
Speaker 1: can focus your afternoon glass and a lot of people

1631
01:32:56,840 --> 01:32:58,800
Speaker 1: like to use the same thing and let the sun

1632
01:32:59,000 --> 01:33:02,120
Speaker 1: shine in the after noon. Well, they are looking where

1633
01:33:02,120 --> 01:33:05,320
Speaker 1: ten of the deer are the other nine percent, or

1634
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:07,439
Speaker 1: on the other side of the aspect of the hill.

1635
01:33:07,479 --> 01:33:10,800
Speaker 1: They're on the shady side of the hill. Absolutely in

1636
01:33:10,840 --> 01:33:13,599
Speaker 1: the evening. So you want to be in the east,

1637
01:33:14,200 --> 01:33:16,720
Speaker 1: because I, if I had, if I I usually try

1638
01:33:16,760 --> 01:33:18,960
Speaker 1: to make a move to get where I'm looking at

1639
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:21,479
Speaker 1: the illuminated stuff in the evening. No, so if you

1640
01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:25,920
Speaker 1: do the opposite, I bet you'll see more dear than

1641
01:33:25,960 --> 01:33:28,360
Speaker 1: what you saw the night before. You're later you're waiting

1642
01:33:28,360 --> 01:33:30,920
Speaker 1: from to come out of the shade. So in the afternoon,

1643
01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:33,760
Speaker 1: I am I when I get to a property or

1644
01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:35,920
Speaker 1: I get to a new place where I'm hunting cus dear,

1645
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:40,559
Speaker 1: I say, where is the most predominant afternoon shade three

1646
01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:44,439
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty five days a year, which hillsides give

1647
01:33:44,479 --> 01:33:47,680
Speaker 1: those dear the most shade? Why do they want the

1648
01:33:47,680 --> 01:33:50,360
Speaker 1: most shade? Because it's most You know, you're there in

1649
01:33:50,520 --> 01:33:53,280
Speaker 1: January when it's cool, but most of the time in

1650
01:33:53,360 --> 01:33:57,519
Speaker 1: Mexico it's very hot. So those animals learn to find

1651
01:33:58,240 --> 01:34:01,760
Speaker 1: on all those ranches the hillsides that give them the

1652
01:34:01,800 --> 01:34:06,000
Speaker 1: coolest spot to lay. So if you focus your attention

1653
01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:09,920
Speaker 1: in the morning with the sun helping you, which ironically

1654
01:34:10,479 --> 01:34:12,719
Speaker 1: it's the same side of the hill, so you don't

1655
01:34:12,760 --> 01:34:15,479
Speaker 1: really have to shift much. So that's going to tell

1656
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:18,120
Speaker 1: you that those deer are gonna be on those east

1657
01:34:18,160 --> 01:34:22,200
Speaker 1: facing slopes. Those north facing slopes a lot, they come

1658
01:34:22,240 --> 01:34:24,080
Speaker 1: over to the south chase a little bit, but they

1659
01:34:24,200 --> 01:34:27,479
Speaker 1: very rarely will bet on those south facing slopes. They're

1660
01:34:27,560 --> 01:34:31,200
Speaker 1: in the thick brush. And so in the afternoon when

1661
01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:35,280
Speaker 1: when I started, you know, helping people try and focus,

1662
01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:38,439
Speaker 1: it would be no different than you, Jason helping them

1663
01:34:38,479 --> 01:34:41,679
Speaker 1: with an elk tactic. Focus on the shade. In the afternoon,

1664
01:34:41,720 --> 01:34:44,479
Speaker 1: you're gonna see way more bucks and you're gonna find

1665
01:34:44,479 --> 01:34:48,719
Speaker 1: more mature bucks. H percent. It's like something I'm Adam

1666
01:34:48,720 --> 01:34:52,479
Speaker 1: and about glass into the shade in the afternoon, and

1667
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:57,400
Speaker 1: I think I think mule deer hunters could take it too, because, um,

1668
01:34:57,520 --> 01:34:59,439
Speaker 1: you know a lot of the arid places where mule

1669
01:34:59,479 --> 01:35:02,920
Speaker 1: deer are they seek shade. You know, elk do too,

1670
01:35:03,400 --> 01:35:05,200
Speaker 1: So in the in the morning you want to look

1671
01:35:05,240 --> 01:35:08,719
Speaker 1: with the sun and flip around and just seek shades.

1672
01:35:08,760 --> 01:35:12,000
Speaker 1: So down there, like what exposure is it? So you're

1673
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:17,719
Speaker 1: looking at east facing slopes. Okay, because the sun generally,

1674
01:35:17,720 --> 01:35:20,200
Speaker 1: you're generally always gonna want to east facer. I'm east

1675
01:35:20,439 --> 01:35:24,880
Speaker 1: and north north north, excuse me. East, north and northeast

1676
01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:30,000
Speaker 1: facing slopes, you will find more cou's deer bucks. The does,

1677
01:35:31,400 --> 01:35:34,280
Speaker 1: I would say, frequent the south facing slopes more than

1678
01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:37,519
Speaker 1: the bucks do. So when you do have running, you

1679
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:40,000
Speaker 1: do have those does on the south facing slopes. Box

1680
01:35:40,040 --> 01:35:42,280
Speaker 1: will come over, but a lot of times they'll push

1681
01:35:42,280 --> 01:35:46,599
Speaker 1: those doughs over and find a shade pocket. So if

1682
01:35:46,640 --> 01:35:49,599
Speaker 1: you if you're looking in the afternoon using the sun

1683
01:35:49,640 --> 01:35:52,200
Speaker 1: to your advantage, you are looking where only ten percent

1684
01:35:52,280 --> 01:35:57,000
Speaker 1: of the deer are. Can you explain for everybody how like,

1685
01:35:57,280 --> 01:36:01,840
Speaker 1: how does dear management work in Mexico? And how is

1686
01:36:01,880 --> 01:36:07,120
Speaker 1: dear management just different than the way it works in there.

1687
01:36:07,360 --> 01:36:10,599
Speaker 1: So I don't know the exact percentage, but I would

1688
01:36:10,600 --> 01:36:16,880
Speaker 1: say of property in Mexico is private land. Uh. Those

1689
01:36:16,880 --> 01:36:20,439
Speaker 1: private land, most of those ranches are active and working

1690
01:36:20,520 --> 01:36:25,120
Speaker 1: cattle ranches. Uh. In order to register your ranch, you

1691
01:36:25,200 --> 01:36:29,000
Speaker 1: have to get a survey done from a quote unquote

1692
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:32,800
Speaker 1: wildlife biologists, which would be a Mexican wildlife biologist who

1693
01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:35,920
Speaker 1: works for the state who works for the state or

1694
01:36:36,400 --> 01:36:39,439
Speaker 1: not sure if it's better state. They come out and

1695
01:36:39,479 --> 01:36:42,760
Speaker 1: they do their surveys at night with a spotlight. They

1696
01:36:42,840 --> 01:36:46,519
Speaker 1: drive down the road and they count ice. Then they

1697
01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:50,400
Speaker 1: look at the number of hectarias, which is for acres

1698
01:36:51,240 --> 01:36:53,280
Speaker 1: um that the property is, and they kind of have

1699
01:36:53,400 --> 01:36:57,040
Speaker 1: a well we saw, you know, forty two eyeballs and

1700
01:36:57,320 --> 01:37:00,040
Speaker 1: this amount of time, and it's this mini hectoria is

1701
01:37:00,200 --> 01:37:03,720
Speaker 1: so we'll give you eight tacks. And they're they're very conservative.

1702
01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:06,320
Speaker 1: I would you find you would you agree with that?

1703
01:37:06,560 --> 01:37:11,560
Speaker 1: So a general rule of thumb from an outfitters perspective,

1704
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:14,599
Speaker 1: if the ranch has twelve tags, I would say it's

1705
01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:17,839
Speaker 1: good to harvest six if it If it gets eighteen,

1706
01:37:18,240 --> 01:37:20,400
Speaker 1: it would be nine. If it gets six, it would

1707
01:37:20,400 --> 01:37:22,600
Speaker 1: be three. I always like to really I thought like,

1708
01:37:22,640 --> 01:37:24,920
Speaker 1: when you look at the massive size of those places,

1709
01:37:24,920 --> 01:37:27,320
Speaker 1: then you see the number of tags the issue, I'm like, man,

1710
01:37:27,320 --> 01:37:31,720
Speaker 1: they're being pretty conservatives. Well in my opinion though, so

1711
01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:35,360
Speaker 1: hundred inch bucks and bigger as you know you've hunted

1712
01:37:35,400 --> 01:37:38,639
Speaker 1: down there, what seven eight years or so, um, they're

1713
01:37:38,680 --> 01:37:41,360
Speaker 1: hard to find because they're the older they're the four

1714
01:37:41,479 --> 01:37:45,479
Speaker 1: or five, six seven year old deer will they You know,

1715
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:48,840
Speaker 1: coyotes are after him, lions are after him, poachers are

1716
01:37:48,920 --> 01:37:53,559
Speaker 1: after him. I look at Mexico. In my opinion, when

1717
01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:55,880
Speaker 1: the ranchers get their tags, I always like to cut

1718
01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:58,720
Speaker 1: them in half. If they get twelve tags and they

1719
01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:01,519
Speaker 1: killed twelve year him, my opinion to three or four years,

1720
01:38:01,960 --> 01:38:05,320
Speaker 1: there won't be any four year old bucks left. I mean,

1721
01:38:05,360 --> 01:38:07,360
Speaker 1: if you got like high test hunters in there who

1722
01:38:07,400 --> 01:38:09,920
Speaker 1: are looking for big books, right, and but then you

1723
01:38:10,040 --> 01:38:13,160
Speaker 1: have properties that are high density and low density, and

1724
01:38:13,240 --> 01:38:18,880
Speaker 1: I would say that the survey method isn't exactly the

1725
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:22,200
Speaker 1: most scientific. Counting eyeballs with a spotlight for a couple

1726
01:38:22,280 --> 01:38:24,640
Speaker 1: hours or a couple of nights in a row, I

1727
01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:27,080
Speaker 1: don't think you could get a real I think you

1728
01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:29,479
Speaker 1: could ask a group of like you guys hunted there

1729
01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:32,080
Speaker 1: for seven days, how many deer on the property. I

1730
01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:34,479
Speaker 1: think you could come closer than someone driving around with

1731
01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:39,600
Speaker 1: the spotlight. Um. But so they register the ranch, and

1732
01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:42,920
Speaker 1: then the rancher, the owner of the property, is issued

1733
01:38:42,960 --> 01:38:45,240
Speaker 1: those tags. It would be like in some of these

1734
01:38:45,240 --> 01:38:49,160
Speaker 1: states where there are quote unquote landowner tags. Then they're

1735
01:38:49,280 --> 01:38:52,240
Speaker 1: free to do what they want with those tags. But

1736
01:38:52,280 --> 01:38:57,479
Speaker 1: when they're cowboys shoot a deer. If they do, there's

1737
01:38:57,479 --> 01:39:00,880
Speaker 1: no way people putting tags they And so that's the

1738
01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:04,559
Speaker 1: element from an outfitters perspective that I always have to

1739
01:39:04,600 --> 01:39:10,519
Speaker 1: manage is our cowboys shooting deer. Because there's some ranches

1740
01:39:10,600 --> 01:39:15,759
Speaker 1: that ranchers um maybe haven't had their property out or

1741
01:39:16,160 --> 01:39:20,360
Speaker 1: registered and gotten their UMA registration, so they don't place

1742
01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:24,360
Speaker 1: a value on those deer. So from an outfitters perspective,

1743
01:39:24,560 --> 01:39:27,280
Speaker 1: I try and shy away from those properties. If I

1744
01:39:27,320 --> 01:39:29,479
Speaker 1: show up and there's deer legs all over and there's

1745
01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:33,000
Speaker 1: hanging racks all over, that's a really good indication that, hey,

1746
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:37,680
Speaker 1: these cowboys are shooting shooting deer completely outside of the

1747
01:39:37,720 --> 01:39:40,320
Speaker 1: system of like outside of the tag. So you've got

1748
01:39:40,360 --> 01:39:42,439
Speaker 1: the tag system, and then you've just got hey, we're

1749
01:39:42,439 --> 01:39:45,479
Speaker 1: gonna shoot a deer. The deer that you know they

1750
01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:48,600
Speaker 1: just shoot to eat. Those obviously don't get tagged. But

1751
01:39:48,760 --> 01:39:52,400
Speaker 1: you have to watch um and I try and look

1752
01:39:52,439 --> 01:39:56,760
Speaker 1: for owners that place value on their wildlife. By not

1753
01:39:56,920 --> 01:40:01,960
Speaker 1: letting the cowboys shoot their deer. That makes UM and

1754
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:07,240
Speaker 1: then once they see a value in those deer, they

1755
01:40:07,320 --> 01:40:10,800
Speaker 1: really start to understand management more and more. One of

1756
01:40:10,800 --> 01:40:14,679
Speaker 1: the struggles that I have is trying to explain to owners, yes,

1757
01:40:14,760 --> 01:40:18,040
Speaker 1: you get twelve tags, but if we shot twelve year

1758
01:40:18,160 --> 01:40:21,559
Speaker 1: this year, none of these American guys would want to

1759
01:40:21,600 --> 01:40:25,040
Speaker 1: come back next year because we've basically shot every mature

1760
01:40:25,160 --> 01:40:29,120
Speaker 1: dear on the property. And certainly if you did that

1761
01:40:29,240 --> 01:40:31,760
Speaker 1: for a couple of years, then you would just have

1762
01:40:31,800 --> 01:40:34,240
Speaker 1: two and three year old year running around. Have you

1763
01:40:34,280 --> 01:40:37,240
Speaker 1: ever heard any ballpark as to um how many deer

1764
01:40:37,280 --> 01:40:40,000
Speaker 1: per square mile are down to? That kind of haven't.

1765
01:40:40,120 --> 01:40:45,120
Speaker 1: But the thing about Mexico that has always intrigued me,

1766
01:40:46,120 --> 01:40:49,920
Speaker 1: say more than Arizona, other than some of the things

1767
01:40:49,960 --> 01:40:52,080
Speaker 1: we've already talked about, is the fact that you tend

1768
01:40:52,120 --> 01:40:54,679
Speaker 1: to see more as many bucks as you do does.

1769
01:40:56,360 --> 01:40:59,439
Speaker 1: So we marveled about that, and that's the part that's

1770
01:40:59,439 --> 01:41:01,960
Speaker 1: so lost him is getting to see bucks. I mean,

1771
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:04,240
Speaker 1: that's what fires me when you see like when you're

1772
01:41:04,280 --> 01:41:05,840
Speaker 1: glassing along and all of a sudden you realize you

1773
01:41:05,840 --> 01:41:10,440
Speaker 1: saw a tail flick. I mean, like you know pretty good,

1774
01:41:10,640 --> 01:41:14,120
Speaker 1: like you're already you're like, I've probably right, and and

1775
01:41:14,160 --> 01:41:16,640
Speaker 1: if you hunt in Arizona, you know you could go

1776
01:41:16,760 --> 01:41:20,720
Speaker 1: and see fifty or sixty does and see three bucks. Well,

1777
01:41:20,760 --> 01:41:23,560
Speaker 1: if you see fifty or sixty deer in Mexico, probably

1778
01:41:23,640 --> 01:41:27,200
Speaker 1: twenty of them thirty of them are bocks. That's the difference.

1779
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:31,280
Speaker 1: So it's it's almost like a target rich environment, you know,

1780
01:41:31,479 --> 01:41:34,320
Speaker 1: if from an aspect of I can't wait to see

1781
01:41:34,320 --> 01:41:37,720
Speaker 1: what the next buck I see is. That's what I

1782
01:41:37,800 --> 01:41:40,000
Speaker 1: just love about Mexico. I think that's what makes getting

1783
01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:41,960
Speaker 1: out of the sleeping bags so exciting down here. Man.

1784
01:41:42,160 --> 01:41:44,760
Speaker 1: You always just like, dude, today could be the day. Yeah.

1785
01:41:44,880 --> 01:41:48,640
Speaker 1: And and going to when they're running, um is a

1786
01:41:49,080 --> 01:41:51,640
Speaker 1: really cool thing because I feel like, you know, I

1787
01:41:51,680 --> 01:41:54,800
Speaker 1: spend all September at the six Ranch watching elk Rut

1788
01:41:55,280 --> 01:41:58,520
Speaker 1: and I've done that for a long long time. Um,

1789
01:41:58,560 --> 01:42:01,360
Speaker 1: But I feel like getting to watch accous deer truly

1790
01:42:01,479 --> 01:42:05,480
Speaker 1: running in their environment is a really neat thing. Uh.

1791
01:42:05,560 --> 01:42:07,360
Speaker 1: When we're down there, guys, we're always like, Man, if

1792
01:42:07,439 --> 01:42:09,360
Speaker 1: Jay was here, I'd ask him, what do you guys?

1793
01:42:10,240 --> 01:42:12,240
Speaker 1: I don't want to dominate the whole conversation here. I

1794
01:42:12,280 --> 01:42:14,800
Speaker 1: think the glass and thing was one of them. I

1795
01:42:14,840 --> 01:42:17,600
Speaker 1: feel like we were circling the mountain a lot, and

1796
01:42:17,680 --> 01:42:20,200
Speaker 1: probably at the wrong time of the day. I had

1797
01:42:20,360 --> 01:42:24,680
Speaker 1: listened in. It's Jay's fault. Until this moment, he has

1798
01:42:24,760 --> 01:42:26,599
Speaker 1: never in all the interactions I've had with the man,

1799
01:42:26,680 --> 01:42:30,880
Speaker 1: he has never explicitly told me that. So you just

1800
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:36,479
Speaker 1: remember this. You want a lot of I've cost you

1801
01:42:36,520 --> 01:42:39,600
Speaker 1: a lot of big books. When you go to a property,

1802
01:42:39,680 --> 01:42:42,840
Speaker 1: whether it's in Mexico or anywhere else, what you want

1803
01:42:42,880 --> 01:42:47,160
Speaker 1: to find is where is the most predominant afternoon shade

1804
01:42:47,240 --> 01:42:51,559
Speaker 1: on this mountain. That's where you start m HM day

1805
01:42:51,600 --> 01:42:54,040
Speaker 1: in and day out. Where if I wanted to get

1806
01:42:54,080 --> 01:42:56,360
Speaker 1: out of the sun, where would I go sit? That's

1807
01:42:56,479 --> 01:43:00,160
Speaker 1: another way to think of it. In other words, it's hot,

1808
01:43:00,240 --> 01:43:02,200
Speaker 1: where am I going? Well, if I get on that

1809
01:43:02,280 --> 01:43:04,559
Speaker 1: ridge and sit on that face, that's going to be

1810
01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:07,760
Speaker 1: the shadiest spot on this ranch. That's where you want

1811
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:11,120
Speaker 1: to go. And then you branch out from there and

1812
01:43:11,240 --> 01:43:15,000
Speaker 1: you always hit those shade pockets. Now I'm reviewing in

1813
01:43:15,040 --> 01:43:17,439
Speaker 1: the in the times we've hunted, the place we hunt,

1814
01:43:17,960 --> 01:43:22,720
Speaker 1: I'm reviewing all of our like known buck pockets. I

1815
01:43:22,760 --> 01:43:23,920
Speaker 1: need to go. I need to get on the map

1816
01:43:23,960 --> 01:43:26,120
Speaker 1: and go look and see if they can form well.

1817
01:43:26,160 --> 01:43:28,960
Speaker 1: And and the other thing is I get people. There's

1818
01:43:29,000 --> 01:43:32,519
Speaker 1: always exception to the rule. And there's always those thick

1819
01:43:32,600 --> 01:43:36,000
Speaker 1: patch of mesquite or oak that does provide shade that

1820
01:43:36,240 --> 01:43:38,960
Speaker 1: is on a south facing slope, but they know they

1821
01:43:38,960 --> 01:43:41,040
Speaker 1: can scurry their way up there, and they can lay

1822
01:43:41,040 --> 01:43:43,160
Speaker 1: there all day and they can get a nice breeze

1823
01:43:43,200 --> 01:43:45,479
Speaker 1: and they get shade. So I don't want to say

1824
01:43:45,520 --> 01:43:49,000
Speaker 1: that you can't find deer on west facing slopes. I'm

1825
01:43:49,000 --> 01:43:50,479
Speaker 1: not the kind of guy that's like, yeah, but what

1826
01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:52,960
Speaker 1: about Like I get what you're saying, but I would

1827
01:43:52,960 --> 01:43:56,080
Speaker 1: even tell you in Montana, if you focused your buck

1828
01:43:56,160 --> 01:43:59,760
Speaker 1: hunting on on shaded afternoon slopes, you're gonna find more

1829
01:43:59,800 --> 01:44:02,240
Speaker 1: meal their bucks. I got a question. I do know

1830
01:44:02,320 --> 01:44:06,080
Speaker 1: my question. So when we're looking at some of these

1831
01:44:06,120 --> 01:44:10,439
Speaker 1: bigger mountains out there, I found myself when you go

1832
01:44:10,520 --> 01:44:13,679
Speaker 1: elk hunting right and you're looking at this mountain, usually

1833
01:44:13,680 --> 01:44:14,960
Speaker 1: what I end up doing is I go to the

1834
01:44:15,000 --> 01:44:17,960
Speaker 1: tree line and I look like just below where the

1835
01:44:17,960 --> 01:44:20,599
Speaker 1: tree line is, and I kept wanting to do that

1836
01:44:21,680 --> 01:44:24,320
Speaker 1: with coups. Right, you'd like look at this rocky point

1837
01:44:24,360 --> 01:44:26,320
Speaker 1: and be like, God, the biggest buck on the ranch

1838
01:44:26,400 --> 01:44:29,120
Speaker 1: has to be right below that rocky point at the

1839
01:44:29,120 --> 01:44:32,080
Speaker 1: top of the mountain. Is that true or are they

1840
01:44:32,160 --> 01:44:34,960
Speaker 1: just like because the pressure just all up and down

1841
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:37,559
Speaker 1: the mountain doesn't matter. I would tell you I like

1842
01:44:37,720 --> 01:44:40,080
Speaker 1: to go to the top of the mountain and look down,

1843
01:44:41,560 --> 01:44:44,080
Speaker 1: whereas a lot of people like to go and look up.

1844
01:44:44,439 --> 01:44:47,600
Speaker 1: I feel like if you're up and looking across or

1845
01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:50,840
Speaker 1: down and across, you can see the grass is tall,

1846
01:44:51,240 --> 01:44:54,040
Speaker 1: so now you can see at the angle you're looking

1847
01:44:54,160 --> 01:44:56,320
Speaker 1: into the grass, rather than if the grass is here,

1848
01:44:56,360 --> 01:44:59,160
Speaker 1: you're looking up and you've got a very short angle

1849
01:44:59,280 --> 01:45:03,000
Speaker 1: window there. When you're up looking down, it increases your

1850
01:45:03,120 --> 01:45:07,920
Speaker 1: spectrum of like, I guess it's increasing your angle. Um.

1851
01:45:07,960 --> 01:45:10,599
Speaker 1: But as far as like where are big bucks in

1852
01:45:10,680 --> 01:45:13,320
Speaker 1: relation to the top or the middle or the bottom

1853
01:45:13,320 --> 01:45:16,040
Speaker 1: of the hill, I would tell you in Arizona, where

1854
01:45:16,080 --> 01:45:19,760
Speaker 1: they're getting pressured, the furthest away from roads, you can

1855
01:45:19,800 --> 01:45:23,559
Speaker 1: get the you know, the deep dark hidie holes, or

1856
01:45:23,600 --> 01:45:26,000
Speaker 1: even the top of the mountain where no one's getting

1857
01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:28,880
Speaker 1: that's where your older age class bucks are going to be.

1858
01:45:29,160 --> 01:45:33,400
Speaker 1: In Mexico, it doesn't really translate because no one's hunting them.

1859
01:45:33,800 --> 01:45:36,320
Speaker 1: You're you know, so they It's not like, oh yeah,

1860
01:45:36,560 --> 01:45:38,960
Speaker 1: six groups have already gone through here. They've killed all

1861
01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:41,840
Speaker 1: the easy stuff. Let's go to the top. But what

1862
01:45:41,880 --> 01:45:44,639
Speaker 1: I like to do is like hour before light hiking

1863
01:45:44,640 --> 01:45:48,680
Speaker 1: with a flashlight, headlamp, get to the top. I like

1864
01:45:48,920 --> 01:45:52,959
Speaker 1: cone peaks because I can get up there and very quickly.

1865
01:45:53,560 --> 01:45:56,480
Speaker 1: You know, those cone peaks are very rarely like as

1866
01:45:56,479 --> 01:45:58,600
Speaker 1: small as this table. They're more like this room or

1867
01:45:58,600 --> 01:46:01,439
Speaker 1: twice the size of this room. You can bounce there

1868
01:46:01,520 --> 01:46:05,840
Speaker 1: and cover a bunch of different country, like glassing the

1869
01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:08,640
Speaker 1: peak you're on. I'm on the peak looking at the

1870
01:46:08,680 --> 01:46:12,200
Speaker 1: other country. So I like to go to cone knob

1871
01:46:12,280 --> 01:46:16,000
Speaker 1: peaks where I can just glass for thirty minutes here,

1872
01:46:16,160 --> 01:46:18,599
Speaker 1: bounce to the other side, glass for thirty minutes, bounce

1873
01:46:18,680 --> 01:46:21,519
Speaker 1: over here to the north side, class and cover be

1874
01:46:21,560 --> 01:46:23,599
Speaker 1: on the highest thing around, the highest thing around, and

1875
01:46:23,680 --> 01:46:26,880
Speaker 1: cover basically all of the country in a six hour

1876
01:46:27,040 --> 01:46:30,439
Speaker 1: period and look at a ton more country. That makes

1877
01:46:30,439 --> 01:46:33,519
Speaker 1: sense because you can very easily just bop around. It's

1878
01:46:33,600 --> 01:46:36,800
Speaker 1: much like walking a ridgeline where you can look left

1879
01:46:36,800 --> 01:46:39,040
Speaker 1: and look right as you're going up a ridge line

1880
01:46:39,080 --> 01:46:41,040
Speaker 1: or down a ridge line. That gives me twice as

1881
01:46:41,120 --> 01:46:46,840
Speaker 1: much country to look at. Mega glass. I was wondering, Yeah,

1882
01:46:46,920 --> 01:46:48,439
Speaker 1: I was one on this trip. Yet it's a place

1883
01:46:48,479 --> 01:46:50,680
Speaker 1: that you had marked for us Mega glass that no

1884
01:46:50,680 --> 01:46:53,080
Speaker 1: one's ever glass from. Yeah, we always laugh about the

1885
01:46:53,080 --> 01:46:55,680
Speaker 1: place called Mega glass. That's where That's where i'd go

1886
01:46:56,520 --> 01:47:00,200
Speaker 1: really because I'm Here's what we laugh about going so

1887
01:47:00,280 --> 01:47:05,800
Speaker 1: much is um stick. Yeah, We're like, whoever uh put

1888
01:47:05,840 --> 01:47:07,679
Speaker 1: this there? They found it on the top of map.

1889
01:47:10,120 --> 01:47:13,599
Speaker 1: Janice has asked me about Mega glass before. For whatever reason,

1890
01:47:13,640 --> 01:47:18,600
Speaker 1: that canyon where Mega glasses I just envision. Listen, we

1891
01:47:18,680 --> 01:47:20,479
Speaker 1: have to piss out of that area. But we just

1892
01:47:20,479 --> 01:47:22,519
Speaker 1: don't want it for Mega glass because you have to

1893
01:47:22,520 --> 01:47:25,760
Speaker 1: bring like some repelling equipment. I want to be on

1894
01:47:25,880 --> 01:47:31,040
Speaker 1: the highest knob that I can get to most every time.

1895
01:47:32,400 --> 01:47:35,280
Speaker 1: Glass that we always laugh about. That's our primary landmark,

1896
01:47:35,320 --> 01:47:38,960
Speaker 1: Mega Glass. And then it brings into big glass too.

1897
01:47:39,000 --> 01:47:43,320
Speaker 1: I like using you know, I've had you know, I've

1898
01:47:43,320 --> 01:47:47,120
Speaker 1: had basically every pair of big binos made. You know.

1899
01:47:50,320 --> 01:47:53,320
Speaker 1: I like using big glass as well and there, but

1900
01:47:53,439 --> 01:47:55,720
Speaker 1: I also like glass in two fifteen. I also like

1901
01:47:55,800 --> 01:47:58,080
Speaker 1: glass and through tens close stuff. But then I also

1902
01:47:58,160 --> 01:48:00,760
Speaker 1: like really reaching out there and you know, looking into

1903
01:48:00,800 --> 01:48:03,280
Speaker 1: those shaded slopes. I have a question for you, j

1904
01:48:03,479 --> 01:48:05,960
Speaker 1: as far as how long do you invest in the

1905
01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:08,080
Speaker 1: area to like dig up a big buck, you know,

1906
01:48:08,120 --> 01:48:10,439
Speaker 1: like a blacktail. I might hunt the same area for

1907
01:48:10,479 --> 01:48:12,280
Speaker 1: thirty days and never see him again, or see him

1908
01:48:12,320 --> 01:48:14,519
Speaker 1: at night or on a camera where it seems like

1909
01:48:14,840 --> 01:48:16,599
Speaker 1: when we did find a book, we would see him

1910
01:48:16,640 --> 01:48:19,519
Speaker 1: again and again in that area like heavy eight um,

1911
01:48:19,560 --> 01:48:21,479
Speaker 1: you know the buck that Garrett ended up shooting, like

1912
01:48:21,479 --> 01:48:23,599
Speaker 1: they were bucks that we had seen in that area again,

1913
01:48:23,680 --> 01:48:26,280
Speaker 1: Paul's buck, we've seen him there, were able to find

1914
01:48:26,360 --> 01:48:29,200
Speaker 1: him again. So if I know they're there, I won't leave.

1915
01:48:29,760 --> 01:48:32,040
Speaker 1: If if if I if I know there's a big

1916
01:48:32,080 --> 01:48:35,519
Speaker 1: buck there, um, you know, if if someone had seen

1917
01:48:35,560 --> 01:48:39,000
Speaker 1: a big buck, Um, I know that that deer likely

1918
01:48:39,160 --> 01:48:43,439
Speaker 1: is within five hundred yards of where someone saw him. Yeah,

1919
01:48:43,560 --> 01:48:46,000
Speaker 1: they run a realt so when they rut, they the

1920
01:48:46,080 --> 01:48:50,280
Speaker 1: bucks cover a lot of country. Um, but does pretty

1921
01:48:50,360 --> 01:48:53,639
Speaker 1: much live within an eight hundred It's proven. Richard Awkins

1922
01:48:53,640 --> 01:48:56,200
Speaker 1: fell study you should. I don't think he's alive anymore,

1923
01:48:56,200 --> 01:48:58,759
Speaker 1: but airs on the game of fish. Ricard Richard Hawkins

1924
01:48:58,760 --> 01:49:03,960
Speaker 1: felt collared up on your deer and studied buck and

1925
01:49:04,080 --> 01:49:07,080
Speaker 1: dough and how they travel. Hefl finger probably knows all

1926
01:49:07,120 --> 01:49:11,719
Speaker 1: about it. Um. And they say that uh CU's deer

1927
01:49:11,840 --> 01:49:17,920
Speaker 1: dough spends her whole life within an eight circle, no

1928
01:49:18,120 --> 01:49:21,840
Speaker 1: kid man. Yeah, so that that goes to show like

1929
01:49:21,920 --> 01:49:25,479
Speaker 1: where where those bucks are? They're gonna go find those Doughes.

1930
01:49:25,600 --> 01:49:29,400
Speaker 1: But they're so homebodied and so habitual that like, if

1931
01:49:29,439 --> 01:49:32,120
Speaker 1: if I knew that there was a big buck in

1932
01:49:32,160 --> 01:49:35,599
Speaker 1: the canyon, I probably would bounce around and get different

1933
01:49:35,640 --> 01:49:38,280
Speaker 1: angles in the canyon. But if I know he's there,

1934
01:49:38,280 --> 01:49:41,519
Speaker 1: I'm not leaving. So all right, So let's flip the

1935
01:49:41,600 --> 01:49:43,439
Speaker 1: question a little bit. Say your glass and you feel

1936
01:49:43,479 --> 01:49:45,040
Speaker 1: like you're doing a really good job, You've given it.

1937
01:49:45,080 --> 01:49:47,960
Speaker 1: You're all like, are you giving a good bucky looking area?

1938
01:49:48,040 --> 01:49:49,519
Speaker 1: Like two days and then you're gonna go find a

1939
01:49:49,560 --> 01:49:52,599
Speaker 1: new area or every spot is different and it's kind

1940
01:49:52,600 --> 01:49:54,960
Speaker 1: of a gut thing and you just have to the

1941
01:49:55,000 --> 01:49:56,960
Speaker 1: worst thing you can do when you're glassing is be

1942
01:49:57,080 --> 01:49:59,080
Speaker 1: second guessing. And I do it all the time. You're

1943
01:49:59,120 --> 01:50:02,639
Speaker 1: second guessing him. I'm wasting my time. So you have

1944
01:50:02,760 --> 01:50:06,920
Speaker 1: to kind of bridge that gap of like I have

1945
01:50:07,000 --> 01:50:09,640
Speaker 1: to invest the time and I have to literally know

1946
01:50:09,720 --> 01:50:12,479
Speaker 1: that this deer may only stand up ten minutes of daylight,

1947
01:50:12,560 --> 01:50:14,519
Speaker 1: and I've got to catch him when he's standing up

1948
01:50:14,520 --> 01:50:17,439
Speaker 1: in those ten minutes. Okay, that's one train of thought.

1949
01:50:18,200 --> 01:50:20,760
Speaker 1: You've got to watch that your mind wanders going. The

1950
01:50:20,760 --> 01:50:23,280
Speaker 1: buck isn't here. You've been looking for three days. I

1951
01:50:23,320 --> 01:50:25,840
Speaker 1: can't tell you how many times that darn I have

1952
01:50:25,920 --> 01:50:29,920
Speaker 1: pounded over a country looking and just covering different angles,

1953
01:50:29,960 --> 01:50:32,080
Speaker 1: looking in the same spot, and five days later the

1954
01:50:32,120 --> 01:50:35,559
Speaker 1: buck stands up and he's there the whole time. I

1955
01:50:35,600 --> 01:50:38,720
Speaker 1: think one of the biggest mistakes whose deer hunters make

1956
01:50:38,840 --> 01:50:40,840
Speaker 1: is when they find a big buck, they take their

1957
01:50:40,840 --> 01:50:44,120
Speaker 1: eye off it. That's a whole another subject, but I

1958
01:50:44,160 --> 01:50:48,640
Speaker 1: always tell people, if you find a big buck, do not,

1959
01:50:48,880 --> 01:50:51,280
Speaker 1: for any reason take your eye off it. I don't

1960
01:50:51,280 --> 01:50:55,799
Speaker 1: care whether you're using hand signals, whether you're using radios,

1961
01:50:55,880 --> 01:50:59,680
Speaker 1: whatever your comfort of of communication, whatever you want to do,

1962
01:50:59,800 --> 01:51:03,479
Speaker 1: but if you're trying to kill big bucks, keep your eye.

1963
01:51:03,720 --> 01:51:07,000
Speaker 1: Someone has to watch that deer at all times too,

1964
01:51:07,280 --> 01:51:11,160
Speaker 1: to an extent of like darn I always laugh. Uh,

1965
01:51:12,040 --> 01:51:16,439
Speaker 1: I know that if Darr finds a big buck, I

1966
01:51:16,560 --> 01:51:19,200
Speaker 1: know that he's not taking his eye off If he

1967
01:51:19,240 --> 01:51:21,679
Speaker 1: has to go to the bathroom, it doesn't if he

1968
01:51:21,680 --> 01:51:24,120
Speaker 1: he he will not take his eyes out of those

1969
01:51:24,160 --> 01:51:27,040
Speaker 1: binos on that big buck. And that's how we have

1970
01:51:27,120 --> 01:51:30,760
Speaker 1: been very successful in killing big bucks, is that when

1971
01:51:30,800 --> 01:51:33,479
Speaker 1: you hunt with guys that do not take their eye

1972
01:51:33,520 --> 01:51:36,920
Speaker 1: off the deer, the chances of that deer getting away

1973
01:51:37,000 --> 01:51:40,479
Speaker 1: are go way down. If you dig your lunch out

1974
01:51:40,479 --> 01:51:41,880
Speaker 1: of your pack and you get up and you take

1975
01:51:41,880 --> 01:51:44,280
Speaker 1: a leak and you stretch, and he could have just

1976
01:51:44,360 --> 01:51:47,799
Speaker 1: popped over the hill. Now you're looking in a canyon.

1977
01:51:47,840 --> 01:51:49,479
Speaker 1: That all you'd have to do is just know that

1978
01:51:49,520 --> 01:51:52,519
Speaker 1: he popped up thirty yards. You don't even know that

1979
01:51:52,560 --> 01:51:55,880
Speaker 1: because you took your eye off. I mean, it's it's

1980
01:51:56,000 --> 01:51:59,240
Speaker 1: it's not rocket science, but it's it's funny how I

1981
01:51:59,280 --> 01:52:00,840
Speaker 1: talked to a lot of people and they're like, yeah,

1982
01:52:00,840 --> 01:52:02,800
Speaker 1: I had this big buck and I had him, and

1983
01:52:02,840 --> 01:52:04,720
Speaker 1: he was running this dough and he was chasing her

1984
01:52:04,720 --> 01:52:07,439
Speaker 1: all around and I needed to get closer. I said, well,

1985
01:52:07,479 --> 01:52:10,200
Speaker 1: wait a minute, who was watching Who was watching it?

1986
01:52:10,200 --> 01:52:12,280
Speaker 1: He goes, well, I I was alone. I said, well,

1987
01:52:13,280 --> 01:52:15,559
Speaker 1: you didn't watch it till it bedded down, till it

1988
01:52:15,680 --> 01:52:17,640
Speaker 1: was hot, till you knew that the deer had a

1989
01:52:17,720 --> 01:52:20,320
Speaker 1: chance to probably lay for at least an hour, where

1990
01:52:20,360 --> 01:52:22,720
Speaker 1: then you could move and get in position. Well, no,

1991
01:52:22,840 --> 01:52:24,840
Speaker 1: it was first thing in the morning, it was first light,

1992
01:52:25,120 --> 01:52:27,000
Speaker 1: and he was chasing the stow and he was just

1993
01:52:27,040 --> 01:52:30,519
Speaker 1: a sitting duck. I said, well, yeah, but he's running

1994
01:52:30,560 --> 01:52:32,840
Speaker 1: around chasing the dough and now you don't know where

1995
01:52:32,840 --> 01:52:35,960
Speaker 1: he is. So what I try and do is tell

1996
01:52:36,000 --> 01:52:40,080
Speaker 1: people like, watch the buck, keep your eye on him,

1997
01:52:40,720 --> 01:52:43,599
Speaker 1: bed them down, try and stay thirty minutes to make

1998
01:52:43,640 --> 01:52:45,320
Speaker 1: because a lot of times they'll bed down. They do

1999
01:52:45,400 --> 01:52:48,120
Speaker 1: this all the time. They'll come in, run around, they'll

2000
01:52:48,200 --> 01:52:52,400
Speaker 1: lay down twenty minutes, they get up and change beds.

2001
01:52:53,400 --> 01:52:56,200
Speaker 1: They don't like where they're laying. So I watched for

2002
01:52:56,280 --> 01:52:58,680
Speaker 1: like thirty minutes. Yep, he's not moving, and then I

2003
01:52:58,760 --> 01:53:02,200
Speaker 1: make my move. And then one other tip. And I

2004
01:53:02,200 --> 01:53:04,920
Speaker 1: don't know why I've turned this into like you know,

2005
01:53:05,120 --> 01:53:11,880
Speaker 1: Jay's tips, but um always mark the landmark where you

2006
01:53:11,920 --> 01:53:14,479
Speaker 1: saw the buck, the dead oak tree with the limb

2007
01:53:14,479 --> 01:53:16,439
Speaker 1: that points out to the ride or the white rock

2008
01:53:16,600 --> 01:53:19,080
Speaker 1: or whatever it may be. Even take your phone out

2009
01:53:19,080 --> 01:53:23,719
Speaker 1: and take a picture, because when you across the canyon,

2010
01:53:23,720 --> 01:53:25,640
Speaker 1: get up on another knob, you get over there and

2011
01:53:25,680 --> 01:53:29,479
Speaker 1: it always looks different. Always. I think that's a good

2012
01:53:29,520 --> 01:53:32,040
Speaker 1: That's the thing I've always harpened to people about is

2013
01:53:32,040 --> 01:53:34,320
Speaker 1: it just you got in your head that it's like

2014
01:53:35,920 --> 01:53:37,920
Speaker 1: a little peek and there's a ridge coming off and

2015
01:53:37,920 --> 01:53:39,960
Speaker 1: you get over there and it's just not it changed,

2016
01:53:40,160 --> 01:53:42,800
Speaker 1: you know, the perspective that the angle change and it

2017
01:53:42,880 --> 01:53:45,320
Speaker 1: looks different. How many times have you got over and

2018
01:53:45,360 --> 01:53:47,479
Speaker 1: you're like, I've been watching this steer for three hours

2019
01:53:47,960 --> 01:53:50,559
Speaker 1: and you're like, where is he? Oh, there's the rocket's

2020
01:53:50,600 --> 01:53:52,320
Speaker 1: way down here. I thought it was more of a

2021
01:53:52,360 --> 01:53:54,160
Speaker 1: perspective that it was up here. Well, when I got

2022
01:53:54,160 --> 01:53:57,880
Speaker 1: over on this point, it's now lower. Um, those are

2023
01:53:57,960 --> 01:54:00,920
Speaker 1: all little tricks that you know. I've just I've learned

2024
01:54:00,960 --> 01:54:02,920
Speaker 1: so many times the hard way and those deaer have

2025
01:54:03,000 --> 01:54:05,320
Speaker 1: gotten away that I kind of have a system that

2026
01:54:05,400 --> 01:54:08,080
Speaker 1: I go about hunting them. I want to get to

2027
01:54:08,120 --> 01:54:11,880
Speaker 1: the biggest, like the thing that comes up most when

2028
01:54:11,920 --> 01:54:16,280
Speaker 1: talking about hunting the border country in Mexico. Give me

2029
01:54:16,400 --> 01:54:19,400
Speaker 1: your like what is your perspective on like the security risk?

2030
01:54:19,920 --> 01:54:23,120
Speaker 1: So I mean like you can't tell me it's absolutely zero.

2031
01:54:23,240 --> 01:54:26,160
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's not zero. I mean, like, what's giving

2032
01:54:26,200 --> 01:54:29,000
Speaker 1: your sort of after all these years, like where you

2033
01:54:29,000 --> 01:54:32,960
Speaker 1: add on it? So I don't think there's anybody in

2034
01:54:33,000 --> 01:54:35,360
Speaker 1: the world that would deny that there's stuff going on

2035
01:54:35,680 --> 01:54:40,120
Speaker 1: within of the border on either side that that would

2036
01:54:40,120 --> 01:54:45,200
Speaker 1: blow our mind. Um I would argue that that there's

2037
01:54:45,280 --> 01:54:48,360
Speaker 1: probably worse things going on on the U. S side,

2038
01:54:48,440 --> 01:54:52,600
Speaker 1: because now whatever is going on is really illegal, and

2039
01:54:52,640 --> 01:54:56,520
Speaker 1: they're trying to get whether it be drugs or you know,

2040
01:54:57,040 --> 01:54:59,600
Speaker 1: people trafficking or whatever, they're trying to get them to

2041
01:54:59,800 --> 01:55:06,400
Speaker 1: the destination. Whereas in Mexico, UM, I, other than being

2042
01:55:06,400 --> 01:55:09,200
Speaker 1: able to call the authorities, if you will, call the

2043
01:55:09,240 --> 01:55:13,600
Speaker 1: Border Patrol, call FBI, whoever you made, police, whateverever you

2044
01:55:13,640 --> 01:55:17,920
Speaker 1: may call. I feel like in Mexico it's actually safer

2045
01:55:19,200 --> 01:55:24,040
Speaker 1: because there's designed routes and and and things that you know,

2046
01:55:24,160 --> 01:55:29,400
Speaker 1: those those people want to push things through, and certainly

2047
01:55:29,560 --> 01:55:32,600
Speaker 1: that we've all heard stories of ranches where oh yeah,

2048
01:55:32,640 --> 01:55:36,000
Speaker 1: we had you know, traffickers just trafficking through. We just

2049
01:55:36,040 --> 01:55:38,840
Speaker 1: don't hunt there. We're not. I'm not gonna put me

2050
01:55:39,480 --> 01:55:42,280
Speaker 1: or anybody else in a situation where I knowingly have

2051
01:55:42,360 --> 01:55:46,120
Speaker 1: a situation where things like that are going on. So

2052
01:55:46,280 --> 01:55:52,000
Speaker 1: you'll see activity thirty miles south of the border. So,

2053
01:55:53,920 --> 01:55:56,120
Speaker 1: but what needs to happen there, Like I do understand

2054
01:55:56,240 --> 01:55:58,440
Speaker 1: there's a lot of staging and there's a lot of

2055
01:55:58,480 --> 01:56:01,880
Speaker 1: different things travel out. So you know, it's not like

2056
01:56:01,920 --> 01:56:04,080
Speaker 1: I'm an expert. I'm just speculating. I've watched a Narcos

2057
01:56:04,200 --> 01:56:08,360
Speaker 1: Mexico like everybody else. But you know, they're bringing product

2058
01:56:08,440 --> 01:56:11,600
Speaker 1: in from other countries, and they're bringing it in through

2059
01:56:11,640 --> 01:56:14,040
Speaker 1: the ports, They're bringing it in through boats in the ocean,

2060
01:56:14,080 --> 01:56:18,360
Speaker 1: They're bringing it in uh via airplanes. And they have

2061
01:56:18,480 --> 01:56:20,320
Speaker 1: to have a place to stage, and then they have

2062
01:56:20,400 --> 01:56:22,320
Speaker 1: to have a place to be able to get stuff

2063
01:56:22,800 --> 01:56:27,680
Speaker 1: driven from there from point A to point um. So

2064
01:56:27,880 --> 01:56:29,760
Speaker 1: I was thinking more like foot traffic, but you mean

2065
01:56:29,800 --> 01:56:33,160
Speaker 1: like just like like infrastructure for narco traffic. Yeah, And

2066
01:56:33,240 --> 01:56:35,880
Speaker 1: so like the foot traffic, the people crossing things, I

2067
01:56:35,880 --> 01:56:39,520
Speaker 1: mean they literally drive them up within five of the

2068
01:56:39,560 --> 01:56:43,880
Speaker 1: border and they crossed um and and that's a whole

2069
01:56:43,880 --> 01:56:46,480
Speaker 1: another story. I used to have guys that that work

2070
01:56:46,560 --> 01:56:48,840
Speaker 1: for me. I'm I'm I'm a real estate investor and

2071
01:56:48,880 --> 01:56:51,680
Speaker 1: constantly kind of improving properties and building stuff. And I've

2072
01:56:52,160 --> 01:56:54,960
Speaker 1: used a lot of guys from Mexico to build all

2073
01:56:55,040 --> 01:56:57,560
Speaker 1: kinds of stuff. Incredibly talented. But they would tell me

2074
01:56:57,600 --> 01:57:00,920
Speaker 1: stories like, hey, it's Christmas, time. Uh, we're gonna go

2075
01:57:00,960 --> 01:57:02,920
Speaker 1: home for a while. We'll be back in about a month.

2076
01:57:03,800 --> 01:57:06,720
Speaker 1: So when they get back, I'd be like, so, how

2077
01:57:06,880 --> 01:57:09,560
Speaker 1: was it we had to walk like fifty miles? It

2078
01:57:09,680 --> 01:57:12,840
Speaker 1: was fine. Um. You know then stories of oh we

2079
01:57:12,880 --> 01:57:15,400
Speaker 1: had to walk and we ran into some bad guys

2080
01:57:15,400 --> 01:57:19,040
Speaker 1: and they took our shoes. Hm. You know, like if

2081
01:57:19,080 --> 01:57:22,000
Speaker 1: you don't use a certain traffic or I guess a

2082
01:57:22,080 --> 01:57:25,400
Speaker 1: coyote and you're with someone else, or you're on your

2083
01:57:25,400 --> 01:57:29,520
Speaker 1: own just crossing the border walking back in, they're gonna

2084
01:57:29,560 --> 01:57:31,480
Speaker 1: take your shoes because you didn't use them, you didn't

2085
01:57:31,480 --> 01:57:34,720
Speaker 1: pay them. So you know, hear stories like that. But

2086
01:57:34,760 --> 01:57:38,440
Speaker 1: as far as safety, um, when I'm outfitting the Cou's

2087
01:57:38,480 --> 01:57:41,480
Speaker 1: deer and the Gould's turkey, it's always my number one thing.

2088
01:57:41,720 --> 01:57:44,480
Speaker 1: I want to hunt properties that we're that are not

2089
01:57:44,640 --> 01:57:47,720
Speaker 1: around that kind of stuff. So I try and limit

2090
01:57:48,520 --> 01:57:52,880
Speaker 1: the exposure to that stuff because it does go on. Um,

2091
01:57:53,440 --> 01:57:55,880
Speaker 1: I can tell you in twenty six years, like you

2092
01:57:55,920 --> 01:57:58,520
Speaker 1: know the stories of like, oh, our group of cars

2093
01:57:58,600 --> 01:58:00,840
Speaker 1: got stopped by a care a van with guys with

2094
01:58:00,920 --> 01:58:04,240
Speaker 1: machine guns. It's never happened. Now, I've never seen that.

2095
01:58:04,600 --> 01:58:07,360
Speaker 1: I never lost a hunter I know people. I know

2096
01:58:07,480 --> 01:58:11,600
Speaker 1: people that that's happened to UM. But a lot of

2097
01:58:11,600 --> 01:58:15,160
Speaker 1: it is, you know, taking care of of hunting on

2098
01:58:15,240 --> 01:58:17,720
Speaker 1: ranches that that's not going on, hunting in areas where

2099
01:58:17,720 --> 01:58:21,000
Speaker 1: that's not going on. And then we don't travel at night.

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01:58:21,600 --> 01:58:24,080
Speaker 1: We travel within the ranch locked gates at night. But

2101
01:58:24,120 --> 01:58:27,840
Speaker 1: we make it a point highways, whatever roads, you just

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01:58:27,880 --> 01:58:30,280
Speaker 1: don't travel in Mexico at night. It's a good rule

2103
01:58:30,280 --> 01:58:32,800
Speaker 1: of thumb for safety. Have I done it? Sure, I've

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01:58:32,880 --> 01:58:36,720
Speaker 1: traveled at night, mostly by myself. Would I do it

2105
01:58:36,760 --> 01:58:39,120
Speaker 1: with people? Know? Do I make it a practice to know?

2106
01:58:39,760 --> 01:58:42,200
Speaker 1: Have I done it a few times? Yes? We use

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01:58:42,320 --> 01:58:45,920
Speaker 1: when we cross, we Jay has a network of people

2108
01:58:46,000 --> 01:58:49,720
Speaker 1: he knows, bilingual people he knows and trusts who live

2109
01:58:49,760 --> 01:58:53,520
Speaker 1: on the Mexico side. And when we cross, we use

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01:58:53,560 --> 01:58:58,040
Speaker 1: one of Jay's guys who drives escorts us. We have

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01:58:58,040 --> 01:59:00,400
Speaker 1: a little two or three car caravan. Like this year

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01:59:00,400 --> 01:59:02,680
Speaker 1: we had in my truck we had a can m

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01:59:02,760 --> 01:59:05,800
Speaker 1: on a trailer, which was the first year you guys

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01:59:05,800 --> 01:59:08,400
Speaker 1: have brought that, did you really? It was awesome? Changed

2115
01:59:08,800 --> 01:59:12,160
Speaker 1: everything be able to get around it changed everything. Yeah,

2116
01:59:13,040 --> 01:59:15,480
Speaker 1: we brought down I brought down a UM. I have

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01:59:15,520 --> 01:59:18,520
Speaker 1: a four door canam side by side. You could get

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01:59:18,560 --> 01:59:21,640
Speaker 1: everywhere changed And I had and I had my f

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01:59:21,760 --> 01:59:24,040
Speaker 1: one and you could do it quickly. Yeah, I got

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01:59:24,080 --> 01:59:27,240
Speaker 1: my phone fifty. It's got like a you know, two

2121
01:59:27,280 --> 01:59:30,080
Speaker 1: inch lift on the front, air bags on the back,

2122
01:59:30,280 --> 01:59:34,280
Speaker 1: good tires. Right. Um, we could drive that anywhere, drive

2123
01:59:34,360 --> 01:59:36,440
Speaker 1: the can m everywhere. We got everywhere we wanted to go.

2124
01:59:36,680 --> 01:59:38,920
Speaker 1: It changed everything. They're trying to limp around and like

2125
01:59:38,960 --> 01:59:42,200
Speaker 1: rented minivans changed everything. Yeah, I mean we had a

2126
01:59:42,200 --> 01:59:43,880
Speaker 1: great year. We had our best year ever. And we're

2127
01:59:43,920 --> 01:59:45,360
Speaker 1: kind of like, why was it our best year ever?

2128
01:59:45,600 --> 01:59:47,200
Speaker 1: And yeahn't need to We were like, why was our

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01:59:47,200 --> 01:59:50,000
Speaker 1: best year ever? Like the transportation thing has to be

2130
01:59:50,000 --> 01:59:53,960
Speaker 1: a huge Yeah, you guys have been renting trucks and

2131
01:59:53,960 --> 01:59:58,960
Speaker 1: and driving around and these roads across the boarding on

2132
01:59:59,000 --> 02:00:01,920
Speaker 1: these Mexican ranches is because of the monsoon rains. The

2133
02:00:02,000 --> 02:00:05,320
Speaker 1: roads get washed out very very easily, very very quickly. Um.

2134
02:00:05,360 --> 02:00:08,200
Speaker 1: Pretty much with you know, any u TV, any quad,

2135
02:00:08,280 --> 02:00:10,200
Speaker 1: you can get around and kind of rock crawl and

2136
02:00:10,240 --> 02:00:13,920
Speaker 1: do what you'll do. When trucks you're fairly limited. Um.

2137
02:00:14,000 --> 02:00:16,000
Speaker 1: One thing I'll point out and then we can get

2138
02:00:16,040 --> 02:00:18,400
Speaker 1: back to the people that help you know, crossing the

2139
02:00:19,320 --> 02:00:22,240
Speaker 1: UM is for anybody listening. If you're doing a d

2140
02:00:22,360 --> 02:00:25,120
Speaker 1: I Y hunt, UH, that you need to know that

2141
02:00:25,480 --> 02:00:28,480
Speaker 1: you need the truck, the trailer, and the u TV

2142
02:00:28,800 --> 02:00:31,920
Speaker 1: all to be in the driver's name. In other words, Steve,

2143
02:00:32,080 --> 02:00:38,040
Speaker 1: you couldn't and Garrett's quad. You can't mix ownership. They

2144
02:00:38,040 --> 02:00:40,760
Speaker 1: want to see Steve ron Ella, Steve Bronella, Steve Ronella

2145
02:00:40,920 --> 02:00:44,880
Speaker 1: on truck, trailer and u TV or quad. You can't

2146
02:00:44,920 --> 02:00:47,480
Speaker 1: put Jason's quad on your trailer. It would have to

2147
02:00:47,560 --> 02:00:51,320
Speaker 1: all match your name. You get a vehicle transportation permit

2148
02:00:51,920 --> 02:00:54,840
Speaker 1: UM when you go a certain distance south of the

2149
02:00:54,880 --> 02:00:58,440
Speaker 1: border UM. And then there are some quote unquote travel

2150
02:00:58,480 --> 02:01:00,600
Speaker 1: free zones that you don't have to get permit, but

2151
02:01:01,040 --> 02:01:03,360
Speaker 1: most of my ranches you have to get a vehicle permit.

2152
02:01:03,600 --> 02:01:07,480
Speaker 1: And that's just something that everyone has to have a passport. Uh,

2153
02:01:07,560 --> 02:01:12,600
Speaker 1: everyone has to get that transportation permit. Yeah. So we

2154
02:01:12,760 --> 02:01:15,200
Speaker 1: use and we cross. We use someone to come help

2155
02:01:15,280 --> 02:01:19,040
Speaker 1: us with the paperwork, which doesn't can be or doesn't

2156
02:01:19,080 --> 02:01:21,040
Speaker 1: need to be the same person that we use to

2157
02:01:21,360 --> 02:01:23,840
Speaker 1: escort us. I think it's important to have that translator.

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02:01:24,040 --> 02:01:26,520
Speaker 1: You know, you have someone who knows the process, because

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02:01:26,600 --> 02:01:29,000
Speaker 1: right there at the border, you know, you get your gun,

2160
02:01:29,160 --> 02:01:32,160
Speaker 1: you get your transportation permits, you get your gun permits

2161
02:01:32,240 --> 02:01:35,120
Speaker 1: checked at the police. You know, you're basically doing all

2162
02:01:35,160 --> 02:01:37,839
Speaker 1: your border stuff. Then you travel about a mile away

2163
02:01:37,880 --> 02:01:41,720
Speaker 1: to the military, where then that person helps you get

2164
02:01:41,800 --> 02:01:45,040
Speaker 1: your guns crossed at the military. And a long time ago,

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02:01:45,080 --> 02:01:48,080
Speaker 1: I figured out that it made crossings a lot smoother

2166
02:01:48,200 --> 02:01:51,240
Speaker 1: if I had one of my people there that understands

2167
02:01:51,280 --> 02:01:55,320
Speaker 1: the process, and any little things that come up, uh,

2168
02:01:55,360 --> 02:01:58,480
Speaker 1: they can handle and talk to who they need to

2169
02:01:58,480 --> 02:02:03,280
Speaker 1: talk to to get everything okay. If you are the place,

2170
02:02:03,320 --> 02:02:06,400
Speaker 1: were only, like as the crow flys, only fifteen miles

2171
02:02:06,400 --> 02:02:09,920
Speaker 1: in the borders. But on those thirty minute drive we

2172
02:02:10,000 --> 02:02:12,200
Speaker 1: came to one a National Guard check station they had

2173
02:02:12,240 --> 02:02:16,240
Speaker 1: set up, and our and our escort we become friends

2174
02:02:16,240 --> 02:02:18,840
Speaker 1: with over the years. He spoke to the guys and

2175
02:02:18,840 --> 02:02:20,720
Speaker 1: then it waved us all through. Yeah, we already had

2176
02:02:20,760 --> 02:02:22,280
Speaker 1: to have an interaction, and then we get all to

2177
02:02:22,280 --> 02:02:24,400
Speaker 1: our place. And then, like you said, when we're talking

2178
02:02:24,400 --> 02:02:26,480
Speaker 1: about like your hundred years back at the time, we

2179
02:02:26,480 --> 02:02:28,600
Speaker 1: get all to our place, unload our food in a

2180
02:02:28,680 --> 02:02:31,080
Speaker 1: ranch house, and then it's like all that ship is

2181
02:02:31,120 --> 02:02:34,320
Speaker 1: just gone. Yeah, it's just gone. It's a nice feeling

2182
02:02:34,360 --> 02:02:36,160
Speaker 1: to kind of be able to wash that away. Now,

2183
02:02:36,200 --> 02:02:38,440
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. Like on the ranch you guys have,

2184
02:02:38,520 --> 02:02:40,360
Speaker 1: there's a few hills that you can go up and boom,

2185
02:02:40,400 --> 02:02:42,400
Speaker 1: you get cell service, you can check in, so it

2186
02:02:42,440 --> 02:02:46,520
Speaker 1: makes it kind of nice. Um. But and and and

2187
02:02:46,560 --> 02:02:48,600
Speaker 1: people ask me all the time, they're like, will we

2188
02:02:48,640 --> 02:02:52,120
Speaker 1: see checkpoints? I say, listen, when you're on the highway

2189
02:02:52,120 --> 02:02:55,280
Speaker 1: and you come across a military or police checkpoint, it's

2190
02:02:55,280 --> 02:02:57,480
Speaker 1: a good thing. They're like, how is that a good thing?

2191
02:02:58,400 --> 02:03:02,800
Speaker 1: And I say, well, they are actually monitoring the roadways,

2192
02:03:03,120 --> 02:03:08,080
Speaker 1: they're keeping it safe. So by actually having a checkpoint,

2193
02:03:09,120 --> 02:03:12,200
Speaker 1: they're keeping it safer than if there was no checkpoint.

2194
02:03:12,240 --> 02:03:15,440
Speaker 1: And it's just willy nilly out there all right. Man,

2195
02:03:15,480 --> 02:03:18,040
Speaker 1: So you like, you don't do any d I Y

2196
02:03:18,160 --> 02:03:20,960
Speaker 1: Gould stuff. All your Gould stuff is guided. Yeah. So

2197
02:03:21,080 --> 02:03:24,720
Speaker 1: this will be my thirteen season doing Gould's. Um, I

2198
02:03:24,800 --> 02:03:27,200
Speaker 1: believe I had you down there, and maybe my first

2199
02:03:27,280 --> 02:03:30,839
Speaker 1: or second season. I feel like my Gould's Turkey operation

2200
02:03:30,960 --> 02:03:35,720
Speaker 1: is really blossomed. We've got a lot of phenomenal properties.

2201
02:03:35,840 --> 02:03:38,000
Speaker 1: Now why don't because you let guys, So not let

2202
02:03:38,280 --> 02:03:40,360
Speaker 1: you have guided cous deer hunts where you do you

2203
02:03:40,400 --> 02:03:42,720
Speaker 1: get you got you guys, and you have like you

2204
02:03:42,760 --> 02:03:45,800
Speaker 1: do for us where you arrange Yes, so I have

2205
02:03:45,880 --> 02:03:48,840
Speaker 1: d I, y COU'SE. You range like a property range,

2206
02:03:48,840 --> 02:03:51,760
Speaker 1: the tag system help everybody hunting and they're on their own.

2207
02:03:51,880 --> 02:03:53,200
Speaker 1: How can you not doing Why don't you do that

2208
02:03:53,240 --> 02:03:57,000
Speaker 1: for Goulds? You know, I've thought about it. Um, it's

2209
02:03:57,000 --> 02:03:59,760
Speaker 1: a good question. I've thought about it and thought, you know,

2210
02:04:00,000 --> 02:04:02,960
Speaker 1: I've kind of run through the different scenarios and I

2211
02:04:03,000 --> 02:04:06,919
Speaker 1: just always keep coming back to guided Goulds is probably

2212
02:04:06,960 --> 02:04:11,480
Speaker 1: a better scenario. Um, you know details. I don't really

2213
02:04:11,520 --> 02:04:13,400
Speaker 1: know why. It just seems like maybe we'll do some

2214
02:04:13,480 --> 02:04:16,240
Speaker 1: in the future. But feeling yeah, because me and Yanni

2215
02:04:16,240 --> 02:04:18,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk you into letting us do it. Well,

2216
02:04:19,240 --> 02:04:21,480
Speaker 1: I could definitely arrange you guys to come and do it.

2217
02:04:22,000 --> 02:04:24,120
Speaker 1: And uh, how how far into the future are you

2218
02:04:24,120 --> 02:04:28,040
Speaker 1: booked up for Goulds or for so I'm booking right

2219
02:04:28,040 --> 02:04:31,840
Speaker 1: now for next January. Um, and and a lot of

2220
02:04:31,880 --> 02:04:35,280
Speaker 1: guys like to really book you know. I try not

2221
02:04:35,360 --> 02:04:37,440
Speaker 1: to get too far over my skis. I just try,

2222
02:04:37,480 --> 02:04:42,120
Speaker 1: and you know, suit all all book for three even

2223
02:04:42,160 --> 02:04:45,040
Speaker 1: before I go in two. But I right now, when

2224
02:04:45,080 --> 02:04:49,000
Speaker 1: we just finished the January season, I don't really like

2225
02:04:49,040 --> 02:04:52,800
Speaker 1: booking six. I just prefer to kind of stay out

2226
02:04:52,840 --> 02:04:56,720
Speaker 1: twenty three. Um, you know, I've got a great schedule

2227
02:04:56,800 --> 02:05:00,720
Speaker 1: lined up for Gould's Turkey. Still have some opportunity for

2228
02:05:00,760 --> 02:05:05,400
Speaker 1: this the spring coming up any thing, because like you

2229
02:05:05,400 --> 02:05:08,600
Speaker 1: get like like guys like me, who I'm um if

2230
02:05:08,640 --> 02:05:11,360
Speaker 1: I I might become a World's Lamb holder, But the

2231
02:05:11,400 --> 02:05:16,280
Speaker 1: Super Slam Turkey thing, you need to get that Google's Turkey. Yeah,

2232
02:05:16,360 --> 02:05:20,440
Speaker 1: that's hard. I get so many people. Most everyone that

2233
02:05:20,520 --> 02:05:24,040
Speaker 1: comes for Goulds is basically wanting to check Google's Turkey

2234
02:05:24,080 --> 02:05:27,000
Speaker 1: off the list. It's funny though, when they come down

2235
02:05:27,480 --> 02:05:31,080
Speaker 1: you've seen Goulds, they're just amazing bird. Um how they

2236
02:05:31,120 --> 02:05:33,320
Speaker 1: become a person that wanted to check it off the list.

2237
02:05:33,360 --> 02:05:35,480
Speaker 1: But then now they've come three, four or five years

2238
02:05:35,480 --> 02:05:38,000
Speaker 1: in a row because of the hunting is so good.

2239
02:05:38,960 --> 02:05:40,960
Speaker 1: I got a hot tip of people on the if

2240
02:05:40,960 --> 02:05:45,640
Speaker 1: you're doing the d I y uh kushans with Jay,

2241
02:05:46,360 --> 02:05:48,120
Speaker 1: if you got a friend, like, what does it want

2242
02:05:48,160 --> 02:05:50,440
Speaker 1: to be? Like? A ranch has got three tags, four tags,

2243
02:05:50,440 --> 02:05:53,040
Speaker 1: six tags, whatever the hell you put together a group

2244
02:05:53,040 --> 02:05:56,880
Speaker 1: of guys, right, man, if you just to enhance you

2245
02:05:56,880 --> 02:05:59,160
Speaker 1: you don't need to, but to enhance the experience. If

2246
02:05:59,160 --> 02:06:01,880
Speaker 1: you've got someone who's like pretty checked out on Spanish

2247
02:06:02,440 --> 02:06:06,560
Speaker 1: so you can talk to the cowboys. Yeah, we had

2248
02:06:06,560 --> 02:06:10,080
Speaker 1: two guys this year. Yanni's getting pretty good. Ross Copperman

2249
02:06:10,120 --> 02:06:12,880
Speaker 1: from First Light was with us. He's pretty good, real

2250
02:06:12,960 --> 02:06:15,280
Speaker 1: good man. Yeah, because it wantes it being like you

2251
02:06:15,400 --> 02:06:18,280
Speaker 1: see some things that you it kills you that you

2252
02:06:18,320 --> 02:06:22,600
Speaker 1: can't ask like like what is with whatever? Yeah? Why

2253
02:06:22,680 --> 02:06:25,000
Speaker 1: is it like this? Yeah? Or like or like where

2254
02:06:25,120 --> 02:06:28,920
Speaker 1: like some giant drop antler? Where like where did that

2255
02:06:28,960 --> 02:06:31,400
Speaker 1: come from? Yeah? Yeah, it's so nice if someone could

2256
02:06:31,440 --> 02:06:35,000
Speaker 1: go and hack their way through with the cowboys they're

2257
02:06:35,000 --> 02:06:37,800
Speaker 1: out riding around. Yeah, it's real healthful. One thing you

2258
02:06:37,840 --> 02:06:41,080
Speaker 1: do have to watch with cowboys, it's it's just human nature.

2259
02:06:41,160 --> 02:06:43,120
Speaker 1: Is you know there's some that oh yeah, there's big

2260
02:06:43,120 --> 02:06:45,840
Speaker 1: bucks everywhere and they're pointing the mountains and stuff. You

2261
02:06:45,920 --> 02:06:47,880
Speaker 1: kind of got to learn which ones. You know what

2262
02:06:47,960 --> 02:06:50,520
Speaker 1: a big our main body down there at our place.

2263
02:06:50,880 --> 02:06:53,120
Speaker 1: There's no buck you can bring in that he won't

2264
02:06:53,360 --> 02:06:54,720
Speaker 1: be like oh no, no no, no, yeah, that's not a

2265
02:06:54,760 --> 02:06:57,080
Speaker 1: big what are you doing? And then we're like where

2266
02:06:57,080 --> 02:06:58,720
Speaker 1: and he just points like he's like, yeah, kind of

2267
02:06:58,760 --> 02:07:04,240
Speaker 1: they're they're everywhere. He said that there's bucks bigger than

2268
02:07:04,280 --> 02:07:06,880
Speaker 1: Steve's everywhere on that place. Yeah, And I mean that's

2269
02:07:06,960 --> 02:07:09,920
Speaker 1: common that. The other common thing is that there's two things.

2270
02:07:10,360 --> 02:07:12,880
Speaker 1: I say, how many points twelve every It doesn't matter

2271
02:07:12,960 --> 02:07:16,240
Speaker 1: which if I'm in Chihuahua or Sonora, whatever state I'm in.

2272
02:07:16,760 --> 02:07:19,280
Speaker 1: You asked the cowboy, what's the biggest buck on the ranch?

2273
02:07:19,360 --> 02:07:21,520
Speaker 1: It's a twelve pointer? You know, I've never seen a

2274
02:07:21,520 --> 02:07:24,080
Speaker 1: twelve pointer in my life. And every ranch you go

2275
02:07:24,200 --> 02:07:27,320
Speaker 1: to do say and and then the other one is

2276
02:07:28,120 --> 02:07:31,600
Speaker 1: they have nicknames for him. Oh, it's the same nickname.

2277
02:07:32,760 --> 02:07:37,440
Speaker 1: They call him El Negro because their cape is dark. Oh,

2278
02:07:37,560 --> 02:07:40,080
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what ranch you go to. There like

2279
02:07:40,640 --> 02:07:44,600
Speaker 1: a grande buck named El Negro lives on that here.

2280
02:07:44,760 --> 02:07:48,320
Speaker 1: You know what his name is, it's old mossy Horns. Yeah,

2281
02:07:48,360 --> 02:07:51,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's funny to me how it

2282
02:07:51,680 --> 02:07:54,480
Speaker 1: doesn't matter where you're at, they're all the big ones

2283
02:07:54,600 --> 02:07:56,960
Speaker 1: are El Negro because and when you do kill a

2284
02:07:56,960 --> 02:07:59,200
Speaker 1: big mature buck a lot of times their cape is

2285
02:07:59,280 --> 02:08:02,920
Speaker 1: a lot darker, a lot darker. Yeah. Uh, we're gonna

2286
02:08:02,960 --> 02:08:06,000
Speaker 1: wrap up, but tell people how to find you. Probably

2287
02:08:06,040 --> 02:08:07,680
Speaker 1: the best way is to send me an email at

2288
02:08:07,760 --> 02:08:11,600
Speaker 1: Jay Scott Outdoors at gmail dot com, My Instagram, Jay

2289
02:08:11,600 --> 02:08:17,440
Speaker 1: Scott Outdoors, um Colburn and Scott Outfitters on Instagram. I

2290
02:08:17,560 --> 02:08:21,400
Speaker 1: answer my direct your past so I have to credit

2291
02:08:21,440 --> 02:08:25,840
Speaker 1: you and YAWNI My podcast will be seven years old,

2292
02:08:26,720 --> 02:08:30,960
Speaker 1: uh in about two weeks. I started very quickly after

2293
02:08:31,000 --> 02:08:33,520
Speaker 1: I remember you and Joannie sent me your pilot episode

2294
02:08:33,560 --> 02:08:36,720
Speaker 1: and I said, well, what's a podcast? I started and

2295
02:08:36,760 --> 02:08:40,920
Speaker 1: it's Um, my podcast is much more boring than your podcast.

2296
02:08:41,040 --> 02:08:45,520
Speaker 1: It's real informational, real educational. Puts a lot of people

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Speaker 1: to sleep. But it's been tactics and a lot of texts,

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Speaker 1: a lot of tactics and strategy on all sorts of

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Speaker 1: big game. Jay Scott Outdoors podcast. Um, and you said

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02:08:54,600 --> 02:08:56,360
Speaker 1: how people to find if they want a book, Yep,

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02:08:56,880 --> 02:08:59,480
Speaker 1: just Jay Scott Outdoors dot com. I mean there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of just hype in Jay Scott Outdoors and Google

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02:09:01,680 --> 02:09:03,560
Speaker 1: and you'll find me. Yeah. We've been doing sulf with

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02:09:03,640 --> 02:09:06,680
Speaker 1: j for honestly, like we've been doing stuff with you

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Speaker 1: for a decade. I think it's ten years and again

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02:09:09,920 --> 02:09:14,720
Speaker 1: Turkey and Buffalo again have just I've said a bunch

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02:09:14,720 --> 02:09:20,520
Speaker 1: of times, have just been throughout every interaction, just always

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02:09:20,520 --> 02:09:23,160
Speaker 1: impressed with how you run your program. Well, I appreciate it,

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02:09:23,800 --> 02:09:30,280
Speaker 1: just like no just clean, clear, no bullshit, honest dealing,

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Speaker 1: highest ethics. It's like it's just been a pleasure to

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02:09:35,200 --> 02:09:37,920
Speaker 1: to do all that, to range all those cool hunts

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02:09:37,920 --> 02:09:39,720
Speaker 1: with you over the years. Well, I appreciate. I I

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02:09:39,760 --> 02:09:43,200
Speaker 1: really value my reputation and and I never want anyone

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02:09:43,240 --> 02:09:45,360
Speaker 1: to have a bad experience or a bad hunt. So

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02:09:45,880 --> 02:09:48,320
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like sometimes I take it to heart,

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02:09:48,360 --> 02:09:51,720
Speaker 1: maybe even more than I should. Sometimes that sounds kind

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02:09:51,720 --> 02:09:54,040
Speaker 1: of bad, but that's that's the bullet taken out. So

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Speaker 1: I really I really want people to have a smile

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02:09:58,200 --> 02:10:00,760
Speaker 1: and really want him to love Mexico. I do, and

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Speaker 1: you know it's it's it's important to me. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: I hope you keep at a man. We all had

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02:10:05,080 --> 02:10:09,000
Speaker 1: a great time. Um. I'm always waiting for my text

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02:10:09,040 --> 02:10:12,480
Speaker 1: message from you saying it's time to commit. I need

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02:10:12,520 --> 02:10:14,480
Speaker 1: you to get you back down for Goold's Turkey. I

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02:10:14,480 --> 02:10:18,400
Speaker 1: feel like you did it ten years ago, so I

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02:10:18,400 --> 02:10:20,480
Speaker 1: can go down to watch him. I feel like to

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02:10:20,760 --> 02:10:25,960
Speaker 1: like in your Turkey hunting life spectrum, when you hunted Gould's,

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02:10:26,120 --> 02:10:29,080
Speaker 1: I feel like you were a little bit new, and

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02:10:29,120 --> 02:10:32,440
Speaker 1: I feel like you might appreciate it even more now

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Speaker 1: that you've hadn't seen I haven't seen as much, nearly

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02:10:36,160 --> 02:10:38,640
Speaker 1: as much at that time. As if the birds are amazing,

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02:10:38,680 --> 02:10:41,080
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of them that gobble and strut. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they're just phenomenal. I'll do it, I'll do it. You're

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02:10:45,240 --> 02:10:49,640
Speaker 1: gonna gould S felps. You probably anti Turkey. No, he's

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02:10:49,680 --> 02:10:53,120
Speaker 1: anti White Tels, but he's not. He's pro Turkey, pro Turkey.

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Speaker 1: The Goulds are on the list. Oh they are. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: got any concluding thoughts, Paul, just give me like thumbs

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02:11:00,320 --> 02:11:02,720
Speaker 1: up your thumbs down on Mexico. I loved it. It

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02:11:03,080 --> 02:11:05,840
Speaker 1: was a good trip, the whole thing, Like Steve said,

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02:11:05,880 --> 02:11:08,640
Speaker 1: the whole experience was a blast. Did you get some

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02:11:08,680 --> 02:11:11,040
Speaker 1: good food too? I didn't ask you guys that that's

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02:11:11,080 --> 02:11:14,640
Speaker 1: some of the best lots of good food by day seven, though,

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Speaker 1: You're like, I don't know if I want to see

2344
02:11:16,120 --> 02:11:20,160
Speaker 1: any rate. The main thing is we just laughed our

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Speaker 1: asses off. We uh one thing before we closed, Steve Jason,

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Speaker 1: I got your little present. Yeah, coming out of Mexico.

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Speaker 1: We know that you were very self conscious about a

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Speaker 1: certain pair of shoes because you didn't want to be

2349
02:11:36,280 --> 02:11:39,440
Speaker 1: a poser. So I got you a pair of hay dudes.

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Speaker 1: Oh so you're in. You don't think I'm gonna be

2351
02:11:42,280 --> 02:11:45,640
Speaker 1: a poser? Well no, because now now, now if somebody

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02:11:45,640 --> 02:11:49,080
Speaker 1: sees if somebody sees you and heyes, you asked you

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02:11:49,120 --> 02:11:51,640
Speaker 1: what my shoes size was? Oh yeah, so you lied.

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02:11:51,720 --> 02:11:54,040
Speaker 1: I did, yeah, and I was just lying about why

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Speaker 1: he needed to know. I asked Katie and then she's like,

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Speaker 1: I think eleven. But then she never got so we

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02:11:58,520 --> 02:12:02,600
Speaker 1: went a different route. I'm always admiring uh amways admiring

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02:12:02,640 --> 02:12:05,640
Speaker 1: Phelps is hey, dude, loafers. But he was telling me

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Speaker 1: that ropers wear them, and I don't want to. I

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Speaker 1: thought that if I would be like if I got

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02:12:08,440 --> 02:12:11,240
Speaker 1: a ten gallon hat and he said, no, you can

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Speaker 1: pull it off. I'll had no cattle. Yeah, he said,

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Speaker 1: like an old dad type guy like me could wards.

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Speaker 1: The way we figure is now now you can be

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02:12:19,200 --> 02:12:21,960
Speaker 1: like uh if someone's like, oh yeah, Hey, dudes, you're like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: my buddy's got him for me, but you don't have

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02:12:23,680 --> 02:12:27,840
Speaker 1: to like eat. Yeah, you shouldn't have those Like my

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02:12:27,880 --> 02:12:30,000
Speaker 1: buddy's got him, I gotta wear him every once someone

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Speaker 1: pull my hotass boot off and putting this thing out,

2370
02:12:34,760 --> 02:12:39,640
Speaker 1: it might change your life. Yeah, it's like crocks, but

2371
02:12:39,720 --> 02:12:43,240
Speaker 1: not made out of rubber. I have one little closing thought.

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Speaker 1: While you're trying your shoes on, look at that, um,

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Speaker 1: I said, I am since time a guy that wants

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Speaker 1: to go back to Mexico and Cou's hunt, and let's

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02:12:54,360 --> 02:12:56,760
Speaker 1: not like only talk about how fun it was and

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02:12:56,840 --> 02:12:59,480
Speaker 1: all the good stuff I wanted to focus on, like

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Speaker 1: the thorn RNs and the cactus Like, yeah, no, I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm just joking with this Jay, not not de turring

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02:13:07,320 --> 02:13:09,720
Speaker 1: anybody from go to going to Mexico. It was amazing,

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02:13:09,720 --> 02:13:11,560
Speaker 1: but you shouldn't go to Mexico just to make sure.

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Speaker 1: There's the number one you should have in your pack

2382
02:13:14,800 --> 02:13:17,480
Speaker 1: is tweezers. Yeah, yeah, it's a great idea. I had

2383
02:13:17,480 --> 02:13:19,480
Speaker 1: my wife digging one out of my finger the other day.

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02:13:19,680 --> 02:13:21,000
Speaker 1: We got with you too much for me to handle,

2385
02:13:21,080 --> 02:13:23,960
Speaker 1: so she dug it out for me. Yeah, my wife says,

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02:13:24,000 --> 02:13:26,160
Speaker 1: you're on your own, even though I'm gonna even though

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave her over the ski situation, and still

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02:13:29,080 --> 02:13:30,920
Speaker 1: she still did me a good turn on. She still

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Speaker 1: did me a good turn on my slipper picking. All right, man,

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Speaker 1: we gotta wrap it up. Jay Scott, thank you so much,

2391
02:13:36,160 --> 02:13:38,320
Speaker 1: thanks for having me. Don't screw us on our place.

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02:13:38,600 --> 02:13:42,320
Speaker 1: I'll try not to. We're coming back. You got a

2393
02:13:42,320 --> 02:13:47,520
Speaker 1: lifelong customer and Phelps, don't screw it up. I'll do

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02:13:47,600 --> 02:13:50,040
Speaker 1: my best. Thank you very much. Man. All right, Jay Scott,

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Speaker 1: Jay Scott Outdoors, Jay Scott Podcasts, Colburn and Scott Outfitters. Right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that covers it, okay. In the meantime, Phelps Phelps game calls.

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Speaker 1: I'd just hit him up for some turkey calls for

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Speaker 1: the spring and uh Paul with f h F Gear

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Speaker 1: at f h F gear dot com. That's alright, guys,

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Speaker 1: Thanks a lot,