1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the Best of the Herd podcast. 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,319 Speaker 1: Sports Radio in noon to three Eastern nine am to 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: noon Pacific. Find your local station for The Herd at 5 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every 6 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 1: day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio 7 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: or FSR. 8 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 2: This is the Best of the Herd with Colin cowher 9 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 2: on Fox Sports Radio. 10 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: Here we go. It is a Thursday. Man, we got 11 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: a good shot. I'm in Chicago, where the weather is perfect. 12 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: It's beautiful at seventy degrees. Jmack, how's the weather in 13 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: Los Angeles this morning? 14 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 3: We got some rain this morning for a time in 15 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 3: six months. LA is panicking College. 16 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 4: Looks fun. 17 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. 18 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: So I was thinking about this this morning. I was 19 00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: thinking about the Tush push, and so Adam Scheff wrote 20 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: a story yesterday like people are gonna get rid of 21 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: the tushpush, and I was thinking about this. Stuff changes 22 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: all the time in sports because of the way it looks, 23 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 1: and because this takes a while. It's ugly, it's hard 24 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: to officiate. You unpile people. It's not great television. I mean, 25 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: the NBA got rid of the hack of shack. Hack 26 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: a shack was brilliant strategy by Mike Dunlevy. They didn't 27 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: like the way it looked shack clankin free throws. Baseball 28 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,119 Speaker 1: got rid of the defensive shift. It was great strategy, 29 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: but they wanted more runners on the bases, more of 30 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: their stars on the bases. It was great strategy, both 31 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: the hack of shack and the defensive shift, and I 32 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,479 Speaker 1: don't like it. The tush push is great strategy. I mean. 33 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:49,559 Speaker 1: The NFL got rid of the or changed the catch rule. 34 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: They thought players were making these dramatic catches. Fantasy football 35 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: fans were like, yeah, that doesn't count, and it was 36 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: like that's a It was a buzzkill. So they changed 37 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: the catch rule. So if you're bobbling it, eh, well 38 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: you've got control of it. It's like I say with 39 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,559 Speaker 1: my iPhone, if I'm clutching it, I clearly have my iPhone. 40 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: But even when I let it just sit on my 41 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: hand that it can move a little, I still have 42 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: control of my iPhone. It's still in my possession. And 43 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: that's what the NFL did with the catch. You still 44 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: possess it even if the ball moves a little within 45 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: your grasp and it was the right route move. But 46 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,679 Speaker 1: I do think there's a legitimate three reasons maybe four, 47 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: to legitimately keep the Tousch push. Number One, it is 48 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: a football play. I watch football games, and that's a 49 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: play during the games. It's not rugby. It is a 50 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 1: play during a football game. It's a football play. Second, 51 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: if it was just about the offensive line, the Lions 52 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: would do it. The Lions have a great offensive line, 53 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: so do the Broncos. You ever see Bow next two 54 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: weeks ago try his version of the Toush push. It 55 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 1: was a disaster. And by the way, Jared Goff can't 56 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: do it. It's only about Jalen Hurtz, his all pro 57 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: center left. They're better out at the show. They do 58 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: it more this year. It's about Jalen Hurts his number 59 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: one asset. He's the strongest quarterback probably in league history, 60 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: pound for pound. We don't tell Lamar Jackson to run less, 61 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 1: we don't tell Mahomes not to throw side arm or 62 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: left handed. Why take away the number one asset for 63 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: one of the star quarterbacks in the league. And so 64 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: there are reasons to keep it, But I think this 65 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 1: is what's happening, and this is the problem. They're using 66 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: it too much. The defensive shift. Had Joe Madden used 67 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: it once a series against the dead pull hitter, you 68 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: could have it. He started using it all the time. 69 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: The NBA doesn't mind the three point shot, but when 70 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: the Knicks and the Celtics meet and shoot ninety seven 71 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: in a playoff game, it's bad television, and Adam Silver 72 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: says we may have to change it. Remember the IRS 73 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: changes tax laws and tax codes all the time when 74 00:03:55,200 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: they think something's being manipulated or used to hurt other people. 75 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: And I think that's the problem this year. Think about this. 76 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts has attempted the tush push more than balls 77 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: thrown down the field ten plus yards, and sixty percent 78 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: of league revenues come from television. They're over using it. 79 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 1: I contend if you had one kickoff a game, they 80 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: wouldn't have changed the rules. But when you have eight 81 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: or nine concussions, numbers go up again. Even speeding on 82 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 1: the freeway, you can go six to seven miles an 83 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: hour over the speed limit. It's not called anything other 84 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:40,359 Speaker 1: than the speed limit, and yet law enforcement allows you 85 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: to go seven miles an hour over it. Ten fifteen 86 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: twenty trouble, so this thing would be allowed the defensive 87 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: shift if shack hack a shack could happen once. But 88 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: when it becomes protocol, the NFL is like, okay, you're 89 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: doing it now more than you throw the ball down 90 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,919 Speaker 1: the field. I think that is going to end it. 91 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: I mean, the last time it went up for a vote, 92 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: it passed. So there's a strong belief that they created it, 93 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: they won a Super Bowl with it, they're great at it, 94 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: and they're the only team doing it. I mean, Josh 95 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 1: Allen tried it, most talented quarterback in the league. He 96 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: can't do it. Though Nicks tried it two weeks ago 97 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: with a great old line. He can't do it. Jared 98 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: Goff can't do it with a great old Linone Herbert 99 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: can't do it. One guy can do it. Why punish 100 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: him because he's doing it too often? That's it. Adam 101 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: Silver doesn't mind the three. He doesn't want the Nicks 102 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 1: and Celtics shooting ninety seven of them. Here's Nick Sirianni 103 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: on his best play that may be taken away. 104 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 5: I think it's an exciting play. I mean, obviously there's 105 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 5: been a lot of discussion about it. And I think 106 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 5: you know, when you bring more discussion about a play, 107 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 5: it brings more attention to football. I always think there's 108 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,119 Speaker 5: a beauty too, and like everyone knows what you're gonna 109 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 5: run and you can still get the I mean, it 110 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 5: isn't that football. 111 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 1: Yes, to a large degree, it is. But there's a 112 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 1: lot of things in life. You know, Golf is a 113 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: lot of fun. But if I was doing it six 114 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 1: days a week and wasn't doing my fair share at 115 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,799 Speaker 1: the house, and would probably say I want to scale 116 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: back on golf. But I do it this summer twice 117 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 1: a week. I don't come home exhausted or drunk. Guy 118 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: hit golf balls for a couple hours. I'm back. So 119 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: golf is fun. There's a limit to everything, all right. 120 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 1: This is we have ourselves in an issue in Chicago, 121 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: Cowboys Bears this weekend on Fox Must Watch. Bears are 122 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: worse than we thought, Dallas better than we thought. So 123 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 1: Ben Johnson said this yesterday. I'm going to read it 124 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: slowly about the Bears practice habits. I'm going to read this. 125 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: We talk about it all the time. We should be 126 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 1: going at football very hardish hard. Our offensive players, their 127 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: fundamentals are finished our technique. They need to show up 128 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: on the practice field. That's how it shows up on 129 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: game day. Simple things like how do we properly block, 130 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: how do we catch a ball? How do we block 131 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: after the catch? Ball? Security, things like that, that stuff 132 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: you should know in youth league. Okay, now think about this. 133 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: He's not criticizing defense that just gave up fifty plus points. 134 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: He's not criticizing special teams. He's criticizing the offense. Who's 135 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: the leader of the offense, Caleb Williams. So he's also 136 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:38,679 Speaker 1: criticizing the lack of fundamentals. He said, quote here little 137 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: things that you learn in youth league, you know, like 138 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: blocking and tackling and finishing plays hard. And I mention 139 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: this because that's Caleb's number one problem. It's not horsepower, 140 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: arm strength, mobility, it's footwork, it's mechanics, it's pre snap, 141 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: it's the basics. And I want to take you I 142 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: don't think this is a small thing. There have been 143 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: two times Ben Johnson has said things about the backup 144 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: Tyson Beagen. Here's the first. Listen closely. 145 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 6: I've really been blown away by his approach from the 146 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 6: spring to the start of camp to where we are now. 147 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 6: He does a tremendous job knowing what to do, how 148 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 6: to do it, and getting it done. 149 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:30,679 Speaker 1: Basically, he's saying he's really good with the fundamentals, which 150 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: is what he's criticizing with the current offense, only with 151 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: this quarterback. So when he said, oh, I really like 152 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: Tyson beaging, it wasn't horsepower, it was fundamentals, the exact 153 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: thing he's criticizing now. But here's another one. This is 154 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: even more damning from Ben Johnson. 155 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 4: He and I are probably wired very similar, just. 156 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 6: The danners of room. 157 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 4: He's usually all business. 158 00:08:57,920 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 6: We try to loosen him up so because he I mean, 159 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 6: he's so serious about his job. He wants to do 160 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 6: so well, and he wants a team to do well. 161 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 6: That he's always locked in. So we I can appreciate 162 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 6: that about him because I can relate. 163 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: I gotta be honest. I mean, if you said that 164 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 1: to your wife, you know I really I work with Cindy. 165 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: We have a lot in common. We really relate. Like, 166 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: I totally get what she's saying. She's so sharp. Yeah, 167 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: don't let your husband go to a Coldplay concert. Okay, 168 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 1: Like you got a problem coming. You may want to 169 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: get a hold of a divorce attorney. You don't have 170 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 1: to be a marriage counselor for thirty five years to 171 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: figure this out. He talks about how much he loved 172 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 1: Fundamentals with Tyson Bagent. Now he's criticizing the lack of fundamentals. 173 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: You know, we have a lot in common. I mean, 174 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 1: our brains work the same way. Yeah, maybe that business trip. 175 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: Try to talk your husband out of it, like something 176 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: here is not good. I mean to say all this 177 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: stuff publicly about the backup. He's sharp, great with fundamentals. Man, 178 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: we think the same way. That's what I've complained about 179 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: Caleb and Ben Johnson, not the lack of talent, the 180 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: lack of symmetry, the lack of chemistry, the lack of stylistically, esthetically, optically. 181 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: They're just different. One guy is all about stacking and 182 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: system and timing and rhythm, and the other guys just 183 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: this artist who paste the fingernails, ad libs huge arm momentum, 184 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 1: plays little hero Ball. They're just different cats, just different dudes. 185 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: So I don't think those bites. I mean when I 186 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: read that this morning, complaining about fundamentals, my first thought is, 187 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: that's what you loved about the backup a month ago. 188 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: He kept going on about so sharp, the pre snap 189 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: stuff of the fundamentals, because just like Kyle Shanahan, Ben 190 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: Johnson at his core designs a play and wants you 191 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: to follow it, and he knows it's a complicated play 192 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: and it's got to be fundamentally strong. Get the pre 193 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: snap down. Let's get the operations down. You can hear 194 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: a ball at twice three times a game, but run 195 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: my play. 196 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 4: I don't know. 197 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: I'm trying to be positive here. I at least our 198 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: weather is good, but the stuff is jumping out to me. 199 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: Greg Cosel fifty minutes from now, can't wait for today. 200 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: Jamac urban Meyer stops by as well. You and I 201 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: talk a lot. We talk about bets. We like a lot. 202 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,839 Speaker 1: I have the Blazing five. You have Tomorrow's headlines to 203 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: have you put in the Blazing five, Colin, I've got 204 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: I always have seven on Thursday six, Tomorrow Morning show. 205 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 4: I drop one. 206 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 3: Because you open with the Eagles and the tush push. 207 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 3: We saw the way the refs were talking to the Chargers. 208 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,559 Speaker 3: They flag the Chargers Monday night for a toush push attempt, 209 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 3: and it was like, wait, well, let's going that's never flagged. 210 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 3: Mcveigh's talking about it. Hey, maybe I need to go 211 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 3: to the league office, Colin if all of a sudden 212 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 3: the toush push is removed. 213 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: And that the referees are going to referee it differently. 214 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 3: I think this hurts the Eagles Honestly, I'd be careful 215 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 3: backing them this weekend against We're gonna see at least 216 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 3: one flag for sure against the Eagles. 217 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 4: For the toush push. They're gonna they're gonna do something. 218 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's there is a way to manipulate officiating. 219 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 1: Not all officiating crews are the same. Phil Jackson used 220 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: to talk about that in the NBA. Some guys allow 221 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: stuff Herm Edwards, Bill Belichick, Brady's talked about that before. 222 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: Some officiating crews call more holding than others. 223 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 3: Uh. 224 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:49,559 Speaker 1: Some officiating crews let defensive backs hand the with wide 225 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: receivers down the field. So I think, what what will 226 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:56,199 Speaker 1: happen is I think all eyes you're seeing all these discussions, 227 00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: all eyes will be on the offensive line leaving early. 228 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: So Philadelphia will have to be on their best behavior, 229 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: toush push or not. I think the Rams actually match 230 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: up with Philadelphia Philadelphia is not throwing the ball down 231 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: the field at all. Secondly, the Rams, Puka Naku and 232 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: Devonte Adams. One of those is going to be open 233 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 1: against the Eagles secondary because right now they're struggling at 234 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: one of their corner spots, so it's a good matchup. 235 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: It's in Philly that matters. You know, there's a reason 236 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: their favorites. 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They could 256 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: have I mean, they just basically forgot how to play football, 257 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: forgot basic rules at home against Seattle, and then they 258 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: had a ball that should have been a touchdown or 259 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: receiver made a mistake, it got tipped in interception to 260 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: intercepted in the end zone. Seattle I thought was the 261 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: better team going in. I had talked about that, but 262 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: I did think Pittsburgh could have served itself much better 263 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: in the second half. So now New England comes up, 264 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: and here's Aaron talking about next game up. 265 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 8: I don't like getting too binary, but winning that's a 266 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 8: good response. But we can't get attached to the binary 267 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 8: system that our league is judged on, necessarily because it 268 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 8: is a seventeen game season and the process has to 269 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 8: be great. So he's dig into the details in the process, 270 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 8: enjoy it, practice well, and then let game day take 271 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 8: care of itself. 272 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 4: Yeah. 273 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: I don't know about the whole binary system, but winning 274 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: cures everything in the NFL, and sometimes you get lucky 275 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: in the next four weeks. Who here's who. The Steelers 276 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: are playing a franchise with six Super Bowls, so I 277 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: hold you to a higher level. They're playing Drake May, 278 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: Carson Wentz, Joe Flacco, and Jake Browning, So if they 279 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: don't go four to oh, we got problems. Regardless of 280 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: what binary system you're dealing with. Joe Burrow, Pittsburgh's gotten 281 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: very lucky. Joe Burrow gets hurt and he won't play 282 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: the two times Pittsburgh's gonna face him. If you look 283 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: at the schedule, they face Miami week fifteen, Miami could 284 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:05,359 Speaker 1: be in full tank mode. It's after the trade deadline. 285 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: They may sell off players for picks, and they may 286 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: have an interim coach, and then they play the Ravens 287 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: in week eighteen, and I think it's realistic to think 288 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: the Ravens are gonna win this now without Joe Burrow 289 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: going away and will be resting starters. So you get 290 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: two Jake Brownings, a Miami team that I would bet 291 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: at the trade deadline is moving off players, and a 292 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: Ravens team resting starters in the final regular season week. 293 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: So not all ten and sevens are equal, because the 294 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: problem for the Steelers in the last decade has not 295 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: been that they don't win, it's that they don't beat 296 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: good teams and great quarterbacks. So all I care about 297 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: with the Steelers this year is five games in the 298 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: regular season. Week eight Green Bay and Jordan Love, Week ten, 299 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: Justin Herbert and the Chargers, Week thirteen, Josh Allen at 300 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: home Bills, Week fourteen at Lamar Jackson, and then Week 301 00:16:56,320 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: sixteen Jared Goff and the Lions personnel. That's the season. 302 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: I don't care about the Falcons or beating Jake Browning. Well, Colin, 303 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: that's not fair. You've got six trophies. I judged Georgia 304 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 1: football different than Purdue. Okay, you got six trophies. So 305 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: there's a lot of breaks teams get and playing Jake 306 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 1: Browning over Joe Burrow twice, getting a tanking Miami after 307 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 1: the trade deadline, Ravens in the final week, resting starters 308 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: are breaks. And if you think I'm being hard, remember 309 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: last year the Steelers were ten and three at one point, woo. 310 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: I was getting a lot of heat from Steeler Nation. 311 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: Then they lost five straight. Lookie here. Who are the 312 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: quarterbacks Lamar Jackson twice, Mahomes, Hurtz and Joe Burrow. Oh 313 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: they lost all those games. Yeah, suddenly, apparently the internet 314 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: went out in Pittsburgh. Never got any feedback after that, 315 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:59,479 Speaker 1: certainly no pushback. So I'm going to judge Pittsburgh whatever 316 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: buy an airy system it is. I'm judging them on 317 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: wins over good teams. And in the next month you 318 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 1: get young Drake may a rebuilding Patriot team. Yes they 319 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 1: still are, Joe Flacco, Carson Wentz, and Jake Browning. You 320 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 1: got to go four to Oh. 321 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 322 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 2: and noone Easter nin a em Pacific. 323 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 1: There we go, hour two. It's a Thursday, Bills Dolphins 324 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: Tonight Live. It's The Herd wherever you may be, however 325 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of 326 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 1: your day fifteen minutes. We all get smarter every week. 327 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 1: Jay Macha was talking about favorites this year and the 328 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: disappearing middle class in the NFL, which we've been on 329 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 1: for three years. So big favorites this season meaning you're 330 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: favored by four points or more. I think a big 331 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: favorite six six and a half or more. But team 332 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: is favored by four plus points or more. Are not 333 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 1: only twelve to ozho they're winning by twelve and a 334 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: half points. They're averaging twenty nine points a game and 335 00:18:56,200 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: allowing seventeen, meaning you get more blowouts. So you're getting 336 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: more blowouts because there's a bigger gap in the schedule 337 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: now tonight. I think it's going to be one of 338 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 1: those blowouts. I mean games that I'm almost guaranteed are 339 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 1: going to be close. Rams Eagles will be really really close. Yep, 340 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 1: Texans Jags will be close. I'd be surprised if Steelers, Patriots, Colts, 341 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: Titans aren't close. Denver Chargers will be very competitive. 342 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 4: It's the NFL. 343 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: Every game feels close. I will say this, I do 344 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: not get the Bears and the Cowboys is basically a 345 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,120 Speaker 1: pickham that I don't get. 346 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 3: You have it touched on Falcons Panthers. That's a good 347 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 3: game on Fox. I'm loaded up on one side in 348 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 3: that one. 349 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 4: I think we'll be talking about it on Friday. 350 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 1: I'm sure the audience is waiting with painted breath. Hey, 351 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: come on listen. 352 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 3: Atlanta's good Atlanta, or by the way, is Atlanta in 353 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 3: your upper class or are they middle class? 354 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 1: Well, let's let Penix have ten stars. I think these 355 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:56,360 Speaker 1: barely has enough starts and. 356 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 4: You put him in the upper crust. 357 00:19:58,119 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 1: Who's at bo next? 358 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 4: He's been awful so far. 359 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: He has twenty NFL starts and he made the playoffs 360 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: as a rookie in the division with Herbert and Mahomes. 361 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: He's fine, He's Chargers this week? That how about? 362 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 4: How good is that game. 363 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 1: In the division? Very good? Forty six years. NFL films 364 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: joined us twenty five times a year minimum at this time. Okay, 365 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: you know it's interesting. A lot of times coaches send messages. 366 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: They go to the podium every week on Wednesday and 367 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: they you know, they have a message for the team. 368 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 1: And Ben Johnson this week is saying I am seeing 369 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: a lot of improvement with Caleb Williams. I didn't see it. What, 370 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,199 Speaker 1: mister Kosel, what did the film say that? Do you 371 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: see a progressive growth with Caleb Williams week one to 372 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 1: week two? 373 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 9: You know, I thought in the first half Colin that 374 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 9: there was that he was better because the key thing 375 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 9: is being decisive. They want him to drop back and 376 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,199 Speaker 9: get rid of the football. They don't want him to 377 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 9: get stuck in the pocket. So I thought in the 378 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 9: first half, when theoretically it was still somewhat of a game, 379 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 9: I thought that he was much more decisive in what 380 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 9: he saw and he delivered the football as the game progressed. 381 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 9: And unfortunately, you never want to be in this situation 382 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 9: with a young quarterback, and certainly not Caleb Williams at 383 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 9: this point in his growth. He had to drop back 384 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 9: and throw on every snap. And that's where you know, 385 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 9: some of the warts that he has right now come out. 386 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 4: And you know, one of the things is in the. 387 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 9: NFL, and we've talked about this, and the more you throw, 388 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 9: the more it shows up. Is for quarterbacks who are 389 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 9: not used to the NFL and pressure, what's pressure and 390 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 9: what's not pressure in the NFL, they start to move 391 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 9: when they don't need to move. They move prematurely, and 392 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 9: they move unnecessarily. And that's true. I've noticed that with 393 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 9: Caleb Williams at times. It's true with cam Ward. It's 394 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 9: just something you have to learn by playing as to 395 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 9: what really is pressure and what's really not pressure by 396 00:21:58,119 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 9: NFL standards. 397 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy is young, fewer starts than Caleb banged up again. 398 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: I think he feels a little overwhelmed. I've said before 399 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 1: Michael Pennix, I don't have a lot of starts, but boy, 400 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 1: he looks comfortable, gets the ball, gets rid of it. 401 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 1: JJ looks hesitant. Seven of eight quarters I've watched him, 402 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 1: he looks a bit overwhelmed. What does the film say? 403 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: Are there open receivers? He's not seeing? What's it say? 404 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, I'm always leary after two games, this 405 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 9: is what I would expect from JJ McCarthy. I don't 406 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 9: know how you felt about him coming out. I mean 407 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 9: I studied him in detail at Michigan. I personally, in 408 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 9: my evaluation did not feel he was a first round 409 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 9: type quarterback. So I'm not surprised that it would take 410 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 9: him more time. I know for a fact that they 411 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 9: had to rework a lot of his footwork and a 412 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 9: lot on his drop, which was not very good at Michigan. 413 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,919 Speaker 9: It was a problem that he had, and then you 414 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 9: wonder can that be fixed. I think they're working on 415 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 9: that and it's a work in progress, so he needs 416 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 9: a lot more time. And then, don't forget a lot 417 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 9: of young quarterbacks, then it becomes a function of team 418 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 9: as well. Can they run the ball, can they manage 419 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 9: him to an extent where they can be proactive, and 420 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 9: how they use him as opposed to having to be reactive, 421 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 9: in other words, having have to throw too many times 422 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 9: in given games. 423 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 4: So it'll take some time With. 424 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 9: JJ McCarthy, obviously he'll be out for who knows how long. 425 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 9: But I mean, I think they're pretty much committed to him. 426 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 9: It's not as if they're not going to play him 427 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 9: when he gets healthy. 428 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,880 Speaker 1: I want to ask you about to Miami right now 429 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 1: has some cultural issues, some personnel issues, and who knows 430 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: what's going to happen. But they've moved off coaches, they 431 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: moved off Brian Flores, they'd move off Mike McDaniel. They 432 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: always say, you can lose games, don't lose the locker room, 433 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: and they're certainly an argument the latter is happening. If 434 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 1: somebody took over the Miami Dolphins and put in the 435 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 1: tape on Tua and you didn't know anything about Tua, 436 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: you knew they was a little smaller, didn't have a 437 00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 1: huge arm. Is his lack of higher level success? Is 438 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: it lack of online protection? Personnel issues? When you put 439 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: in the tape on Tua. Is there a comp what 440 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 1: do you see? 441 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 4: There's no mystery to what Tua is Colin. 442 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,719 Speaker 9: Everybody knows he's a pure timing and rhythm player that 443 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 9: is extremely accurate. So everything about the way in which 444 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 9: he plays has to be based on that. He's narrow 445 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 9: in that regard. He can't do much beyond that. 446 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 4: So when it. 447 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 9: Looks good, depending on who the opponent is, depending on 448 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,360 Speaker 9: a number of factors, he can look really really good 449 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 9: and their offense can be really explosive. And by the way, 450 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 9: that can happen against any given opponent. So you know, 451 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 9: obviously they're playing tonight against a good Bills team, the 452 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 9: assumption is they'll get blown out. But any given opponent 453 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 9: where he can play with timing and rhythm and get 454 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 9: the ball out in windows, he's a very good window thrower. 455 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,239 Speaker 9: Between the numbers. That's his game. But that's all his 456 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 9: game is. There's not much more or beyond that, so 457 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 9: you have to decide. Look last week, two things really 458 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 9: stood out in the tape. Number one thirty seven dropbacks 459 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 9: twelve carries for backs. They can't play that way. Tua 460 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 9: needs a run game to be the foundation. And Mike 461 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,360 Speaker 9: Rayball on that staff in New England. They played him 462 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 9: to what he is. They only rushed five two times 463 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 9: on his thirty seven dropbacks because they wanted seven in 464 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 9: coverage to minimize the windows. That's what you have to 465 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 9: do when you play Tua. You've got to minimize the windows. 466 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 1: We look at tonight, the Bills are favored by a 467 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: couple of touchdowns and should be. We look at Buffalo 468 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: and you said this last week. You said their run 469 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 1: game is more fundamentally important and better than people give 470 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: it credit for. So tell me when you watch film. 471 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 1: You said that, And so I looked for this past week, 472 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 1: even though it was a blowout early. What does the 473 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: run game provide to Josh Allen that without a run game, 474 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 1: what are the advantages he gains from it? 475 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 9: Well, every quarterback game is from a run game. And 476 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 9: then now you're getting into multiple issues. What personnel do 477 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 9: you put out on the field. They like to put 478 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 9: out a lot of base personnel groupings. They did that 479 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 9: this past week, and they are a very multiple run 480 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 9: game as well. And James Cook, despite his size, is 481 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 9: actually a very tough, physical inside runner. He gets hard 482 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 9: earned yards. So a run game is critical, you know, 483 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 9: it's funny. I watched that tape and I came away 484 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 9: thinking to myself, this was a great game for Josh 485 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 9: Allen because he plays in four days and it didn't 486 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 9: seem like he exerted any energy in that game. 487 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 4: It didn't seem like he had much to do. 488 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,959 Speaker 9: So, you know, a run game always helps a quarterback. 489 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,199 Speaker 9: So I think, look, we know Josh Allen when necessary, 490 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 9: Ken put on the Superman cape, as he did Week 491 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 9: one in the fourth quarter of that game against Baltimore. 492 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,959 Speaker 9: But the way they played last week, and granted they 493 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 9: got ahead early and there was clearly a sense they 494 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:58,439 Speaker 9: were going to control the game, which they did, but 495 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 9: I think they want to play with a run game. 496 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 9: They don't want to just be a passing team. And 497 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 9: it's funny. I said watching that tape to one of 498 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 9: my guys in the office day, I said, you know, 499 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 9: Josh Allen, he's not really a gunslinger anymore unless the 500 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 9: game demands it. You know, he doesn't play that way 501 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 9: as his natural state, which is the way he sort 502 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 9: of played three four years ago. Now, he's very much 503 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 9: a piece of an offense, and if demanded, he can 504 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 9: do special things, but he doesn't play like that as 505 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 9: his natural state. 506 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. So one of the reasons I picked the Seahawks 507 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: to make the playoffs and I thought Sam Darnold would 508 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 1: work is that when Sam has a run game and 509 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: can throw it twenty eight times or fewer and does 510 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: not have to get into track meets, and I think 511 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: this team's defensive structure, I said, Sam is going to 512 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 1: be asked to do two or three wow plays, and 513 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 1: he's really talented. But I think and I think that's 514 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: really the key. That's why in Minnesota with Brian Flores, 515 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: he didn't have to win a shootout every week. In 516 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: New York, when you're safe being the franchise, he's like Gina, Yeah, 517 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,159 Speaker 1: Jimmie times, you're gonna get two or three picks. So 518 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,959 Speaker 1: what does the tape say so far with Sam? I 519 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 1: think Seattle fits his strengths. 520 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,920 Speaker 9: Well, it's funny you say that because what they did 521 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 9: and it's only two weeks, so you don't know if 522 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 9: this is something that will be a trend or not. 523 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 9: But what they did last week against Pittsburgh was something 524 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 9: I haven't seen very much in the league. They had 525 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 9: sixty four offensive snaps Colin forty five of them came 526 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 9: at a base personnel. 527 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 4: They did not play many snaps with. 528 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 9: Three wide receivers on the field at all, so they 529 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 9: had a lot of tight formations. They tried to run 530 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 9: the ball, Walker had some good success. Charmon they didn't 531 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 9: have any success. But that's I think the way they 532 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 9: want to play under Clint Kubiac. 533 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 4: They know what Darnold is. 534 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,959 Speaker 9: They love the fact that he was so efficient in 535 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 9: the play action pass game under center a year ago 536 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 9: in Minnesota. 537 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 4: They liked their offense to look like that. And I 538 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 4: agree with you. 539 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 9: And by the way, how many quarterbacks do you think 540 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 9: realistically can line up and throw it forty forty five 541 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 9: times a week and really be good. 542 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 4: That's a hard thing to do in this league. 543 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 9: And by the way, it's very hard on your old line, 544 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 9: no matter how good it is. 545 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, there's a number with Dak who's going 546 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: to have, with three different coaches, be highly productive. If 547 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: he throw us over forty times, Dak's numbers plummet, his 548 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: win percentage plummets. It's the reality is, at any given 549 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 1: time in my life, there's about three quarterbacks maybe four, 550 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: that you feel comfortable throwing forty times a game. It's really, 551 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: really hard. 552 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 4: Okay, it's hard to do. 553 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, Eagles Chiefs, listen, we know Kansas City's issues. They're 554 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: not very gifted. Until Xavier Worthy and Rashid Rice get 555 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: back on the perimeter, there's a way you can defend them. Now, 556 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: did Philadelphia use any secret sauce, any deception or was 557 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 1: it just Mono amano? We have better defensive players than 558 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: you do offensive players. 559 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 9: Well, it's funny because about a quarter in to that tape, 560 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 9: I said to myself, Wow, Vick Fangio has taken a 561 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 9: totally different approach than he did in the super Bowl. 562 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 4: In the super Bowl. 563 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 9: They did not rush five one time, and they literally 564 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 9: played zone in a quarter structure four across on the 565 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 9: back end on almost every play in this game. 566 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 4: Last week they blitzed. 567 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 9: Quite a bit a high percentage for Vic Fangio, and 568 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 9: they played a lot. 569 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 4: More man coverage. 570 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 9: So he came with a totally different defensive tactical approach. 571 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 4: So it's not one thing. 572 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 9: But I will say this, I think there is a sense, 573 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 9: and it could be a function of the receivers, but 574 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 9: I think there's a sense right now among teams that 575 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 9: what you want to do with Patrick Mahomes and the 576 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 9: pass game is really clog the middle of the field 577 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 9: and make him work outside. Now he's capable, obviously he's 578 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 9: capable of making any throw, that's not the point. But 579 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 9: he doesn't make a lot of throws outside the numbers 580 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 9: unless it's vertical throws. So they're going to have to 581 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 9: figure out a way Andy Reid, Kofka, They're gonna have 582 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 9: to figure out, not Kofka, Matt Nagy, they're gonna have 583 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 9: to figure out a way to work outside the numbers 584 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 9: in kind of a short to intermediate pass game. 585 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting. It feels like the tush push 586 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: means even more this year. Through two games, Jalen Hurts 587 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: has attempted more tush pushes than throws of ten yards 588 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: plus down the field. They're not throwing the ball down 589 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: the field. 590 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 4: I don't know, they're not. 591 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: They're not like and I think to myself, how sustainable 592 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: is it? But it does? I mean, I mean, I 593 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: look at it. What they are I said this Monday 594 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: on the show. In my life, there has never been 595 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 1: a quarterback and a team that is better at getting one, 596 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: two or three yards they are now. They don't throw 597 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 1: over the top. There's things they're not great at but 598 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 1: if you need one, two or three yards, that's as good. 599 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: That's as good as the Chiefs in their dynasty, the 600 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: Niners in their dynasty, the Steelers in their dynasty. Does 601 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,040 Speaker 1: the offense concern you because it just doesn't throw the 602 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: ball down the field at all? 603 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 4: Yes, now it does. I think they will. 604 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 9: But I think the larger point about the tush push, 605 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 9: because there's been so much talk about it obviously this week, 606 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 9: is not the tush push itself. It's the fact how 607 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 9: many times they're in situations to deploy the tush push. 608 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the larger question. 609 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 9: That's the big deal because, and we've discussed this, when 610 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 9: it's third and seven or third and eight for the 611 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 9: Eagles offense, they don't necessarily have to throw the ball column, 612 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 9: And now it changes the way defenses have to play 613 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 9: because in the NFL, third and seven is one hundred 614 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 9: percent pretty much a passing down, correct, But the Eagles 615 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 9: don't view it that way because if they get to 616 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 9: fourth and two and they're at the fifty yard line 617 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 9: going in, they're going to go for it. So it's 618 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 9: how often they get to those short yarded situations that 619 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,959 Speaker 9: they're able to go for it. That's really the bigger 620 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 9: issue than the fact that they convert on the tush push. 621 00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: Okay, So I want to go back. I asked you 622 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: about Caleb and JJ. Now I want to go to 623 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: that quarterback that's got far more starts than JJ. I 624 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 1: want to talk Drake May because they host the Steelers 625 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: this week and they won a big game last week. 626 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: So I think both of us. Like Drake May out 627 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 1: of college, I did a lot. I know he was 628 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: a less polished justin Herbert. He hadn't started as many games. Yeah, 629 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: I thought he was justin Herbert, but probably a year 630 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: and a half to two years behind him in terms 631 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: of snaps and polish. Okay, So he wins a game. 632 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: It's Miami in September. That's always been tough on Belichick 633 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: and Brady struggled down early in the season. Are you 634 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: seeing a jump from last year this year from Drake May? 635 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 4: Yeah. 636 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 9: And I think one thing you really want to keep 637 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 9: seeing he did it last week is just the ball placement. 638 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 4: When he places the ball, well, he's really really good. 639 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 9: And I think it's another example, and we've talked about 640 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 9: this of scheme and play calling helping him early in 641 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 9: that game, they called some plays that were really scheme, 642 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 9: really strong from a scheme perspective. They had a drag 643 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 9: wheel throwback to Hooper. They had a great third down 644 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 9: call because they knew they were going to get man 645 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,839 Speaker 9: coverage where he hit Henderson on a wheel route out 646 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 9: of the backfield. 647 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 4: To the right. 648 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 9: They're really helping him with what they're calling to define 649 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 9: reads and throws for him. But the one thing that 650 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 9: really stands out to me as well, he's very poised 651 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 9: and very calm in the way in which he plays. 652 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 4: There's not no freneticism to him. 653 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 9: And he's got you know, he's obviously got athleticism to him. 654 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 9: It's funny you mentioned the size comparing him to her, 655 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 9: But I got a chance to stand next to him 656 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 9: at the combine and he's a big dude now. And 657 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 9: you know, you almost lose sight of how big some 658 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 9: of these quarterbacks are because there's a lot more smaller quarterbacks. 659 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 9: But I stood next to Caleb Williams and Drake May. 660 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 9: Caleb Williams looked like a high school kid and Drake 661 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 9: May looked like a really big dude. 662 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, okay, I want to get in I have 663 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 1: said the first two weeks of the year that the 664 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 1: Packers are the best team I've seen. I'm trusting my eyes. 665 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,359 Speaker 1: I think they're the fastest team Offensively. I think they're 666 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 1: so fast. Everybody love the running back, the tight ends. Yeah, 667 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 1: the receivers. They got eight and nine guys that can 668 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 1: really run. But it's interesting with their defense. I compared 669 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: it to when you were in college and you had 670 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: a really big, strong football player buddy youoas felt a 671 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,880 Speaker 1: little more courage go into the bar and have enough flirting. 672 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 1: There is something about Micah that has elevated his teammates. 673 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 1: It's almost as if his teammates know they're going to 674 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: get more space, that he's going to create disruptions. I 675 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 1: feel like he's elevating other players on the defense. Maybe 676 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 1: they're playing with more energy. Maybe it's because they have 677 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 1: fewer snaps. The offense is more productive. But there is 678 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 1: something when I watch the Packers, I'm like, they're more 679 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,840 Speaker 1: aggressive than last year, and they feel more eggassive. What 680 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 1: does a film say. 681 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,759 Speaker 9: Well, it's funny you say that because in this last game, 682 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 9: which was Thursday night last week, so it feels like 683 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 9: a long time ago, you know, they're getting Edgar and 684 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 9: Cooper now more involved in their rushes, so they're showing 685 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 9: some more five man fronts. And when you show a 686 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 9: five man front, the way offense is almost always protect 687 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 9: is what they call five to zero protection, meaning five 688 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 9: on five. So that gives Micah theoretically a one on one. 689 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,839 Speaker 9: So they're going to do more and more of that 690 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,920 Speaker 9: and then see how offenses react to that. 691 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 4: They had a sack last week. 692 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 9: It was a Cooper and Parson split sack where they 693 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 9: did just that and they stunted away from Micah with 694 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:29,840 Speaker 9: the loop and then he was one on one with 695 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 9: the right tackle, Connor Lee, and he just ate him up. 696 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 9: But they're also so good Halflee, and this to me 697 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 9: is coaching. He is so good with his late coverage rotation. 698 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,840 Speaker 9: In other words, he changes the picture pre snap to 699 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 9: post snap. And he's not just moving one or two 700 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,720 Speaker 9: guys Colin, he's moving five guys on defense. That's coaching, 701 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 9: because if one guy makes a mistake, you know what happens. 702 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 9: So they are really good now with their pressure schemes, 703 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 9: and they're really good on the back end with all 704 00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,320 Speaker 9: this late coverage rotation changing the picture. 705 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 1: Jordan Love First of all, you kind of taught me 706 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 1: this traits. His traits size, arm strength, athletic ability, toughness. 707 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 1: His traits are excellent. But you look at film and 708 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 1: you look at beyond traits pre snap, how is he 709 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 1: handling deux packages? You know what I look at He 710 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,839 Speaker 1: just looks very comfortable. That's what my eyes tell me. Now, 711 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,400 Speaker 1: some of it could be good coaching and lots of weapons, 712 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:29,839 Speaker 1: but what does the film say? 713 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 9: Yeah, and I think that that happens over time. You know, 714 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 9: we spoke about Josh Allen a little earlier, how he's 715 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,840 Speaker 9: not really a gunslinger in the way he plays. I 716 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,280 Speaker 9: think you see that every once in a while, still 717 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 9: with love. That's just kind of who he is. But 718 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 9: I think as he plays more, you'll see less of that, 719 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 9: and he'll play the game within the. 720 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 4: Game, so to speak. 721 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,240 Speaker 9: But also, I think Lafleur does such a good job 722 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 9: with how they construct that offense and how he goes 723 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 9: about you know, he comes from the Shanahan school, so 724 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,799 Speaker 9: for him, it's not just individual plays, Colin, it's how 725 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 9: you put plays together. What you do in the first quarter, 726 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 9: how that affects the second quarter, in the third quarter, 727 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 9: in the fourth quarter. And there was an unbelievable example 728 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 9: of that in the game against Washington last week. And 729 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 9: these were back to back plays, and on one play 730 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,480 Speaker 9: they come out with what we call thirteen personnel, one back, 731 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 9: three tight ends, so they saw exactly how the commanders 732 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,719 Speaker 9: responded to that with their personnel. Okay, and then on 733 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,359 Speaker 9: the very next play they came out in the same 734 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 9: thirteen personnel and that's our big play if we want 735 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 9: to go to it right now, because this is really 736 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:34,279 Speaker 9: the way to. 737 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 4: Go, let's go it, go with it. 738 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 9: This was the Craft fifty seven yard completion. And that's 739 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 9: what they did is they basically showed thirteen personnel saw 740 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,400 Speaker 9: what they were going to get from a defensive personnel perspective, 741 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,719 Speaker 9: and then Lafleur called this play and we're going to 742 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 9: break it down here because this is really really good stuff. 743 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,280 Speaker 9: I mean, this is this is why I love watching 744 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,200 Speaker 9: tape Colin. This is a lot of fun. So you're 745 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:02,279 Speaker 9: going to see this is third personnel, three tight ends. 746 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 9: There's Craft because he's the guy who catches the ball. 747 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,080 Speaker 9: So what did they get? They got three linebackers base 748 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,600 Speaker 9: personnel on the defense. But not only that, they got 749 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,840 Speaker 9: three safeties okay. So there's only going to be one 750 00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,360 Speaker 9: corner on the field, and that corner is down below 751 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 9: at the bottom of the screen. So they got three 752 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,440 Speaker 9: linebackers and three safeties versus their thirteen personnel, which they 753 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,800 Speaker 9: knew they were going to get from the play before. 754 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,480 Speaker 9: So they put the rookie SAVI you on, Williams now 755 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,240 Speaker 9: in motion across the formation. 756 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,520 Speaker 4: So what does that lead to. It's something that we call. 757 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 9: Four strong, meaning four receivers to one side of the formation. 758 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 4: That's what you're going to get here. As we freeze it. 759 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,920 Speaker 9: When Williams gets over there, there's now four receivers to 760 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,919 Speaker 9: one side. But remember the corner didn't go with them, 761 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:51,760 Speaker 9: so the corners all the way. 762 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:52,920 Speaker 4: On the other side of the field. 763 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,560 Speaker 9: So now you're going to run four routes Colin four 764 00:39:55,640 --> 00:40:00,200 Speaker 9: routes okay against two linebackers and two safeties. 765 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:01,680 Speaker 4: This is exactly what you want. 766 00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:05,560 Speaker 9: These guys are not great coverage people, okay, particularly the linebackers, 767 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,279 Speaker 9: and what they're going to run now is a three 768 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,839 Speaker 9: man vertical concept. That's the route concept here. It's going 769 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,440 Speaker 9: to be a three man vertical concept. You're going to 770 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,440 Speaker 9: see Williams run deep on the outside. You're going to 771 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 9: see that's actually Musgrave, the other tight end there on 772 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,400 Speaker 9: that side. He's going to run the deep over in 773 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 9: the middle of the field, and then Craft is going 774 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,240 Speaker 9: to run the seam, So now. 775 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:29,720 Speaker 4: You get three vertical routes. 776 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 9: There's no corner involved in this coverage at all, so 777 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,880 Speaker 9: here's what you get. So now you're going to see 778 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 9: that's Bobby Wagner. He's probably a Hall of Famer, so 779 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,799 Speaker 9: he now gets his eyes on Craft. But let's see 780 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,280 Speaker 9: how all this really plays out, because this is really 781 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,759 Speaker 9: good stuff. You're going to see Williams, he's going to 782 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 9: lift the safety to the top of the screen. You're 783 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,520 Speaker 9: going to see Musgrave run right at the deep safety, 784 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,719 Speaker 9: and you're going to see now the back expands into 785 00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,560 Speaker 9: the flat, so the other linebacker goes with him. 786 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:01,640 Speaker 4: What do you end up with? You end up with 787 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 4: Wagner who has to match Craft. 788 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,120 Speaker 9: But Wagner is uncertain of what to do, and he's 789 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,360 Speaker 9: a veteran, as I said, probably a Hall of Famer, 790 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,040 Speaker 9: so he gets lost. So you end up with just 791 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,239 Speaker 9: a great concept. Colin, you probably could have made that throw. 792 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,920 Speaker 9: The concept was so good, So you know, that's what 793 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,160 Speaker 9: you get This is what play calling is all about 794 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:20,440 Speaker 9: to me. 795 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,120 Speaker 4: And this is how you structure an offense. 796 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,800 Speaker 9: And you structure with the use of personnel formations, motion, 797 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,320 Speaker 9: and you create This is what I mean when I 798 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,440 Speaker 9: always say you define a read and a throw for 799 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:32,160 Speaker 9: a quarterback. 800 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:33,680 Speaker 4: You can't do it any better than that. 801 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. And they also have so much speed offensively that 802 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,160 Speaker 1: when they get you in space, they're a problem even 803 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,160 Speaker 1: if you do read the play. And at that point 804 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,480 Speaker 1: the commanders did not great co sell on a Thursday. 805 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 1: Is always good seeing. 806 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,439 Speaker 4: You, Thanks Colin, appreciate it. Yeah. 807 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:52,360 Speaker 1: And Green Bay's got everything humming, play design, speed, everybody 808 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:56,840 Speaker 1: can run and defensively and again we know head coaches matter. 809 00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 1: Jeff Hafley. How many times have we talked about their 810 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:03,919 Speaker 1: defensive coordinate coordinators? Met Robert Sahalin. The Niners defense last 811 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,880 Speaker 1: year was a mess. They lose green Law Hufunga. They're better. 812 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,280 Speaker 1: Why it just matters. It's like having a good mentor 813 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:15,240 Speaker 1: a good professor, a good high school teacher. The quality matters. 814 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,239 Speaker 1: And Green Bay right now the best team I've seen 815 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,320 Speaker 1: in the league. Both sides, coaching staff, run it, throw it, 816 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,880 Speaker 1: play and they're built to play from behind. I just 817 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,920 Speaker 1: don't think they're gonna have to. I mean, that's one thing. 818 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,239 Speaker 1: I don't think Philadelphia is built to play from ten 819 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:36,280 Speaker 1: points down seven minutes left. Green Bay is That's another 820 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:37,839 Speaker 1: reason why I think right now to the best team 821 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:38,280 Speaker 1: in the league.