1 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: Hello everyone, ed here. I'm delighted to share with you 2 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: as a very special sneak peak, the first episode of 3 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: another brand new podcast I executive produced. It's called Broomgate. 4 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: Over the course of six episodes, semi professional curler and 5 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 1: fully professional comedian, the amazing John Cullen is exposing the unbelievable, 6 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: never before told, true story of a scandal that rocked 7 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: the sport of curling. Yes, curling, ladies and gentlemen, this 8 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: story has all the intrigue and edge of your seatness 9 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: of a Hollywood blockbuster, and it's wildly funny because well, 10 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's about brooms, which 11 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 1: is a type of sporting equipment in the sport of curling. 12 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: You get it. You can find Broomgate wherever you get 13 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: your podcasts starting May sixth, but for now here is 14 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: Broomgate Episode one. 15 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 2: Content warning. The following podcast contains mentions of brooms and 16 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 2: graphic depictions of curling. It's Thursday, September tenth, twenty fifteen, 17 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 2: and my phone is blowing up. My friends are all 18 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 2: texting me, John, are you seeing what's happening right now? 19 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 2: They tell me it's an emergency and I have to 20 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 2: turn on the TV. 21 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 3: It is the Enti's Grand Slam of Curling on Sports 22 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 3: that and they are fired up for the first event 23 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 3: of two thy fifteen twenty sixteen, it's the Tour Challenge 24 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 3: in Paradise, duber Lamb and Labrador. 25 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 2: Walking onto the ice is a man named Brad Gujou. 26 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 2: Ask most anyone in Canada to name a curler, and 27 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 2: whether you're into the Gamer not, they'll have heard of Brad. 28 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 2: If Brad isn't the Michael Jordan of curling, he might 29 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 2: be the Lebron James, the best curler of this generation 30 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 2: and someone who is innovating the sport on and off 31 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 2: the ice. 32 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: The twelve time New Fland Men's champion, three time Grand 33 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: Slam champion, two thousand and six Olympic gold medalists from 34 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: Saint John's nupoun Land. 35 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 2: Seen the texts from my friends who are elite curlers 36 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 2: and broadcasters from around the world are telling me that 37 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 2: Brad is trying something that no one has ever seen before. 38 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 2: They can't figure out what the hell is going on, 39 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 2: and once I turn the TV on, neither can I. 40 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 3: I'm sensing there's a favorite in the house. Maybe maybe not. 41 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 2: All curling teams consist of four players. The skip is 42 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 2: in charge of the strategy for the team. The team's boss. 43 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 2: Brad Gugue is the skip of his team, and like 44 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 2: lots of bosses, he does an awful lot of yelling. 45 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 4: Har fr as Brad Gushu was yelling hurry Now they're 46 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 4: using a theory. You're trying out a theory of where 47 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 4: what sweeper should sweep and on what kind of side 48 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 4: of the sliding surface. 49 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 2: What Gugu is doing is he is using just one sweeper, 50 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 2: one sweeper this approach. That's what my friends were blowing 51 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 2: up my phone about. Curling teams always used two sweepers, 52 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 2: but during this game there's only one and we didn't 53 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 2: know why. 54 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 4: So they were trying to hold that rock straighter by 55 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 4: having one sweeper on the outside sweeping card the other one. 56 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 3: Not. 57 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 2: What I'm seeing is Brad's team mate, Brat Gallant sweeping 58 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 2: the rock up the ice and him alone. The other 59 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 2: team was looking on in confusion, and so was I 60 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 2: sitting at home on the cow which I thought to myself, 61 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 2: what possible benefit could this have? It looked really strange. 62 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 2: While Brett madly swept in front of the rock as 63 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 2: it traveled down the ice. His sweeping partner, who would 64 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 2: normally be brushing along with him, was just kind of 65 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 2: walking beside the rock doing nothing, like he had just 66 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 2: given up. 67 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:19,919 Speaker 4: What do you think it of, Kevin. 68 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 5: Well? I think the inside sweeper certainly shouldn't be on 69 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 5: the inside of the. 70 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 6: Curve of the rock. 71 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 2: Twenty ten Olympic gold medalist Kevin Martin was in the 72 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 2: broadcast booth that day. 73 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,359 Speaker 1: To not have the other person out front cleaning in 74 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: a frosty situation doesn't make a lot of sense. 75 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 7: I don't think. 76 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: But we'll see how it goes as the game progresses. 77 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:45,679 Speaker 5: But it may be a theory that maybe shared that Charlotte. 78 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 2: But Kevin was wrong. Within weeks, every competitive curling team 79 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 2: on the planet would switch to using one sweeper. It 80 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 2: wasn't because they were lazy, It wasn't because the rocks 81 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 2: or the ice changed. It was because of one thing, 82 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 2: and one thing only, a. 83 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 5: Broom, a new super broom made of a mysterious material 84 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 5: never used before, and that broom, combined with the one 85 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 5: sweeper technique, would lead to the biggest scandal in curling history. 86 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 5: This is Broomgate, the story of how a broom almost 87 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 5: killed curling. When I say the word broomgate, what does 88 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 5: that mean to you? 89 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 6: That's when that tight knit fabric amongst the top competitive 90 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 6: teams started to be ripped apart. 91 00:05:58,080 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 5: I think some. 92 00:05:58,680 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 8: Friendships were ended. 93 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 9: This is a mess, very stressful, a lot of sleepless nights. 94 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 2: It felt super personal because it was being held a. 95 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,359 Speaker 10: Cheater when your first went out the door. 96 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 6: Because you're gonna get bloody, people are gonna come. 97 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 7: After you like it was just toxic. 98 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 2: It was so toxic. 99 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 11: Her very stressful, traumatic curling season, my least fun curling 100 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 11: season of my entire career. 101 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 7: It was the It was a year I'd like to forget. 102 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 2: While some people might have wanted to forget about broomgate, 103 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 2: there was no way not once the controversy hit late 104 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 2: night TV. 105 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 12: Folks, this is one sports controversy you can't just sweep 106 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 12: under the rug. I bristle left the idea. I try 107 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 12: to brush off the allegations all you want, but this 108 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 12: sort of thing doesn't happen in a vacuum. 109 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 2: It took just two months for this scandal to move 110 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 2: beyond the world of curling. By November of t twenty fifteen, 111 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 2: The New York Times, CNN and The Washington Post had 112 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 2: picked up on the story. Stephen Colbert did a full 113 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 2: six minute segment on it. 114 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 8: The point is, I'm a curling purist. As far as 115 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 8: I'm concerned, it's all gone downhill ever since they started 116 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 8: playing indoors. I prefer the original sixteenth century Scottish rules. 117 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 8: Just a group of guys on a frozen pond, hurling 118 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 8: flat bottom river stones and probably falling through the ice. 119 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 12: Whoever doesn't die wins. Now that's a sport. 120 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 2: My name is John Cullen. If you're the kind of 121 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 2: curling sicco who knows who finished second at the twenty 122 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 2: fifteen British Columbia Curling Championships, well then you might have 123 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 2: heard of me. I was what's commonly referred to as 124 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 2: a Tier two curler. My team went a handful of 125 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 2: World Curling Tour events, a modest amount of cash, and 126 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 2: peaked at number thirty in the world. I have seven 127 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 2: provincial medals to my name, and none of them are gold. 128 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 2: I started curling when I was twelve. I had always 129 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 2: been intrigued by seeing it on TV, and when my 130 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 2: grade seven teacher took our class to a curling rink 131 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 2: one day. I loved it. The physicality of the sport 132 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 2: appealed to me as a lifelong hockey player, and the 133 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 2: strategic aspect of the sport appealed to me has a 134 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 2: lifelong nerd. Soon enough, curling became my main thing. In 135 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 2: high school, I practiced so much that the icemaker of 136 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 2: my local curling club gave me a set of keys. 137 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 2: As an adult, I spent all my time off of 138 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 2: work going to curling tournaments. Look my email address was 139 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 2: culinthecurler at hotmail dot com. For twenty years, the sport 140 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 2: was my life, and I loved every minute of it. 141 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 2: Well except for one year. It was twenty fifteen, the 142 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 2: year of Broomegate. It was a complete disaster. All my 143 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 2: friends were fighting with each other, people were screaming at 144 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 2: me online. Would have been previously described as a gentleman's 145 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 2: game was anything but. And now eight years later, no 146 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 2: one talks about it. The full story has never been told, 147 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 2: So I'm gonna tell it. I love curling, always have. 148 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 2: I don't want this to happen again, so maybe if 149 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 2: we talk about it, it won't. 150 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 10: Curling, like love, is a disease of the mind. 151 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 8: One needs a cardigan, a comfortable cap, rubbers, a broom, 152 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 8: and stones stones a broom. 153 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 2: If you're just catching up, Ah yeah, a broom. It's 154 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 2: the most important piece of equipment in curling. 155 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 13: Fundamentals of a good curling delivery don't change the position 156 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 13: of the head, shoulders, or body, except to elevate them 157 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 13: by straightening the knees. 158 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:54,199 Speaker 2: This sweet, very Canadian film from nineteen sixty three shows 159 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:58,079 Speaker 2: us one fundamental thing about curling. Very little has changed. 160 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 2: Curling is actually considered to be one of the oldest 161 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 2: team sports known to man. A stone was found in 162 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 2: Scotland with the date fifteen eleven inscribed on it. 163 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 13: Oh sure, keep your foot in the hack, use it 164 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:11,719 Speaker 13: to push off. 165 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 2: The basic rules haven't changed in hundreds of years. The 166 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 2: key is to have more stones stay in the bull's 167 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 2: eye known as the house at the end of the 168 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 2: game than your opponents. To do that, every member of 169 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 2: the team gets their turn at being the shooter and 170 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 2: moving the rock down the ice. But once that rock 171 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 2: is let go, it's in the sweeper's hands to make 172 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 2: it perfect. 173 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 4: Slide the stone easily. Let the weight of the stone 174 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 4: work for you. 175 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:41,839 Speaker 8: Keep your eye on the broom I've got it easy enough. 176 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 2: For most of my career, I was considered a pretty 177 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 2: good sweeper, and for nearly a decade, Jay Wakefield was 178 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 2: my sweeping partner. 179 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 7: I'm an introverted person, so like having less people to 180 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 7: interact with. This is always a better thing. 181 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 3: For me. 182 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 2: To talk to Jay about the ripple effect of the 183 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 2: one sweeper technique and our years sweeping together. 184 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 7: I've always just played with my best friends. I've never 185 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 7: I've only had a handful of teams where, you know, 186 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 7: maybe me and another guy on the team didn't really 187 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 7: get along. 188 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 2: But to be clear, I wasn't one of the guys 189 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 2: you didn't like. 190 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 10: You were not. 191 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 7: No, It's hard to go ten years playing with the 192 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 7: same guy if you don't like you don't like them. 193 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 2: This is very true, and it's especially true when it 194 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 2: comes to me and Jay. 195 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 7: So obviously not just that you spend a lot of 196 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 7: time together, but you spend a lot of time on 197 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 7: the ice together. You spend every shot in each other's face, 198 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 7: talking to each other. It is just a lot of 199 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:44,319 Speaker 7: constant communication. 200 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 2: My wife once told Jay that when she watches us 201 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 2: sweep together, it looks like we're kissing. Maybe subconsciously we 202 00:11:52,480 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 2: wanted to who knows, but what do you remember or 203 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 2: about the switch to one sweeper. 204 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 7: I remember I was out doing something I can't remember what, 205 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 7: and my phone started to blow up with all my 206 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 7: curling friends being like you watching this. So I got 207 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,319 Speaker 7: home and I looked, and I'm like, what the hell's 208 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:23,959 Speaker 7: going on here? And it was all this kind of chaos. 209 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 7: For lack of a better word, we had absolutely no 210 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 7: idea really what the one sweeper thing was all about, 211 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 7: and like how to actually try to make it do 212 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 7: what they were doing. 213 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 2: It took us a while to catch up, but like 214 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 2: every other competitive team at the time, we made the switch. 215 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 7: Do you think. 216 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 2: Curling like lost something a little bit when all of 217 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 2: a sudden, only one guy's now sweeping at a time. 218 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 2: Was some of that art kind of lost? 219 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 7: Yeah? I think I did. I think at the time, 220 00:12:54,200 --> 00:13:00,679 Speaker 7: being a competitive sweeper, I felt like my job was 221 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 7: less sacred. I guess like some of the art was 222 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 7: gone and some of the skill was gone because all 223 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 7: of a sudden I could just like do whatever with 224 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 7: the broom and make the shot right. 225 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 2: I feel that way too. It wasn't like the one 226 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 2: sweeper method took away all the skill I had developed 227 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 2: over two decades. Jay and I were still a team 228 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 2: within a team, but sweeping had become less of a 229 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 2: sacred bond between two teammates. And as I make my 230 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 2: way through this story, I do feel a sense of loss. 231 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 2: I think a lot of us did. But it wasn't 232 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 2: just the one sweeper technique that made us feel like 233 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 2: something had shifted. The reason we were all sweeping differently 234 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 2: was because of a broom. Over time, curling brooms have evolved. Originally, 235 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 2: they were like the brooms you'd find in your house 236 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 2: or with a witch's costume, made of corn or straw, 237 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 2: and mostly meant to remove debris from the ice. As 238 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 2: technology improved, they moved from corn to hair to what 239 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 2: we use today, something that looks like a swiffer, but 240 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 2: with a specialized fabric head. Over the last two decades, 241 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 2: broom manufacturers have experimented with different fabrics with varying results, 242 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,959 Speaker 2: but no one started paying attention to broom technology until 243 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 2: two brothers, Archie and haratchman Avian, came along with a 244 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 2: broomhead that would change the game forever. 245 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 13: Who's the older brother. 246 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 6: Archie, I'm the little I'm ten years younger. Even though 247 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 6: I look ten years older, I'm ten years younger. That's 248 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 6: what happens when you work with them, you know. 249 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 2: My producer Kathleen goldhar and I meet Archie and haratchman 250 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 2: Avian at the headquarters of Hardline, one of the world's 251 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 2: largest curling broom manufacturers. It's tucked away in a suburb 252 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 2: of Montreal, not far from the airport. Hardline's office belies 253 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 2: status is one of curling's big dogs. It's in a 254 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 2: one story building in the corner of an industrial park. 255 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 2: This is decidedly not the Nike World headquarters. Archie and 256 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 2: Harratch sit together behind one desk. It's cluttered with invoices, 257 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 2: loose sticky notes, and office equipment. Behind the brothers, the 258 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 2: wall is covered from top to bottom with team photos, 259 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 2: men and women holding their brooms, wearing t shirts with 260 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 2: Hardline emblazoned on them and metals around their necks, or 261 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 2: holding up trophies. There's no pretense with the brothers. They're 262 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 2: kind of rough speak. Their minds could even be intimidating 263 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 2: on initial meeting, but their warmth is contagious and the 264 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 2: love they have for each other is very close to 265 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 2: the surface. 266 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 10: I don't know if i'd call myself a bully, but 267 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 10: this is Archie. Let's just say he grew up and 268 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 10: not taking my shit. 269 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 2: He was a very good older brother. 270 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 6: He showed me life, you know, showed me the ropes, 271 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 6: and he was always there, always had my back in 272 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 6: a lot of ways. And you know, I'm very grateful 273 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 6: to have an older brother like that. He basically, you know, 274 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 6: took care of me. I mean, we both lost our 275 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 6: dads when I was really young, so he was the 276 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 6: guy that made sure that I was on the right path. 277 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 2: Her ats was sixteen, Archie twenty six when their dad 278 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 2: died in a car accident while on vacation in Armenia. 279 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 7: It was sixteen. 280 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 6: I remember I was in secondary four, which is what 281 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 6: tenth grade. I had final exams two weeks later after that, 282 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 6: and my brother was young too, so he was twenty 283 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 6: six and he had to go there and you know, 284 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 6: bring him back. Our mother was in the same car accident, 285 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 6: so we had to take care of her too at 286 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 6: the same time. So we grew up pretty fast. 287 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 7: It's life. 288 00:16:53,360 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 13: It happens, aren't professional curlers, right? How did you find 289 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 13: your way to hardline. 290 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 9: Only in our heads. 291 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 10: We're professional. 292 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 9: We're professional armchair curlers, basically is what we are. Friend 293 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 9: of mine that I played ball with begged me for 294 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 9: ten years to go try it out. And I used 295 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 9: to tell him, you know, come on, man, it's for 296 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 9: old people. And I used to brush him off all 297 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 9: the time. In this one year I caved. I said, 298 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:25,959 Speaker 9: you know what, just to shut you up, I'm going 299 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 9: to go in there and I'm going to try it 300 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 9: and then leave me alone. He said, no problem, and 301 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 9: I walked in the door, fell in love with the game, 302 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 9: and the rest is history. 303 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 2: But before he discovered curling, Archie's life was all over 304 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 2: the place. 305 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 9: I was on the path to become a ski bumb 306 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:48,719 Speaker 9: Actually I was living in a Whistler and just enjoying life. 307 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 9: And came back and my father used to own a 308 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 9: small business and worked with him for a bit and 309 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 9: didn't like that. Then I went to work for a 310 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 9: friend of mine at a food company and really like 311 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 9: that too much. 312 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 10: And I'm the kind of guy that needs to be outside. 313 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 10: I can't be indoors. 314 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 2: So Archie found a job that took him outside. 315 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 9: I was a what do you call it, a an 316 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 9: information distribution engineer, what does that mean. 317 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 10: I was a mailman. 318 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 9: He was a mailman for the Postal Service, and I 319 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 9: loved my job. It was a great job. It was 320 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 9: starting to wear on me, but it was never a 321 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 9: fact of I have to find something else. 322 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 2: Their mother wasn't too excited about the way Archie's life 323 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 2: was going, and so she put pressure on her hatch 324 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 2: to make something of himself. 325 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:53,360 Speaker 10: She put her foot down with her hatch and made 326 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:54,360 Speaker 10: him hit the books. 327 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 9: And he actually made something of himself by getting an MBA, 328 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 9: going to work on Wall Street for fifteen years, and 329 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 9: he took on the big boys in. 330 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 2: One so before Hardline was born, Archie the Mailman was 331 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 2: just a local curler who loved to hang with his 332 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 2: buddies after work and play a few games, then shoot 333 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 2: the shit over a beer, and her hatch was working 334 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 2: on Wall Street. The inspiration for Hardline came to Archie 335 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 2: in two thousand and nine when he was at a 336 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 2: bond Spiel, a fancy name for a curling tournament in 337 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 2: Charlotte Walquebec. 338 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 9: There's a bond Spiel that everyone should attend once in 339 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 9: their lifetime, about an hour and a half outside Quebec city. 340 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 2: At the bond Spiel, a curling legend named Randy Ferbey 341 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 2: and his team caught Archie's eye. 342 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:39,959 Speaker 9: They had these custom rooms, and our eyes were popping 343 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 9: out of our heads. We got the brilliant idea of 344 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 9: coming out with custom rooms at the time, and we 345 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 9: were on a high all weekend. 346 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 2: And Archie would return home from Charlevois just buzzing, which 347 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 2: is funny because the broom he's talking about doesn't have 348 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 2: anything to do with performance, but rather just a custom 349 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 2: paint job done on an eg existing broom. And he 350 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:05,679 Speaker 2: wasn't even imagining starting a custom curling broom empire. He 351 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 2: was just excited about the idea of making a bunch 352 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 2: of brooms for his team. But he very quickly hit 353 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 2: a snag. 354 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 9: The ebrush artist told me it was going to be 355 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 9: roughly one hundred dollars. 356 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 2: Of broom, so that would be too expensive. 357 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 9: It was on a bit of a downer for a 358 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 9: week or two and I met a friend of mine 359 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 9: and he says, ah, you know, you look a little 360 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 9: bit down. And I told him the entire story, and 361 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 9: he said, well, what are these booms made of? And 362 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 9: I said, well, a carbon fiber And he tells me 363 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 9: he's got a friend of the carbon fiber business. 364 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:34,400 Speaker 10: You know, why don't you give him a call. 365 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 2: The good news was that this guy could make the 366 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 2: brooms for cheaper. The bad news was that he'd have 367 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 2: to make a bulk order. So he called one of 368 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 2: his curling buddies, Stan Pong with a proposal. 369 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 9: Listen, we should really try this out. You know, we'll 370 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 9: make a few hundred brooms and if they sell, they sell, 371 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 9: and if they don't, well, it is what it is. 372 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 9: And so we basically got I think at that time 373 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 9: it was seven guys to pitch and five hundred dollars, 374 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 9: and uh hardline was born. 375 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 2: Archie had unintentionally launched a curling broom company, but so 376 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 2: far all he had were broom handles. A broom is 377 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 2: nothing without its head. When it comes to curling, the 378 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 2: head is crazy important. It's what helps to control the 379 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 2: rock as it travels down the ice. Sweeping reduces the 380 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 2: friction between the rock and the ice, allowing it to 381 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 2: travel further and straighter. While curling had evolved to synthetic 382 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 2: fabric broomheads, there were always issues with the fabric wearing 383 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 2: down and with the repeated use in the gathering of 384 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 2: frost on the head. A lot of brooms weren't nearly 385 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 2: as effective as they could have been, so Archie started 386 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 2: to shop around for the best head he could find 387 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 2: to put on his carbon fiber handles. He could have 388 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 2: just licensed a broomhead from an existing manufacturer, but that's 389 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 2: not the Archie way. 390 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 9: At that time, we were getting handed lots of heads 391 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 9: to try out, saying, man, it was the best head 392 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 9: on the market, and I had told them that, you 393 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 9: know what, I'm gonna try give it a and give 394 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 9: you a review on it. And basically they weren't really 395 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 9: that good. 396 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 2: Archie kept turning down broomheads presented to him. That's until 397 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 2: he met with a mysterious inventor who showed Archie something 398 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 2: a little bit different. 399 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 9: The ice pad was basically put into my hands and 400 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 9: they said, like, you got to try this, So I 401 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 9: tried it. The ease of sweeping of the ice pad 402 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 9: and the fact that the fabric you could clean it, 403 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 9: whereas the other pads on the market once they got 404 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 9: dirty you have to change them because they're useless. I said, 405 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 9: this is going to be like really really good. And 406 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 9: I said, well, listen, if you were to give me 407 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 9: worldwide exclusivity on selling this. I think we can make 408 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 9: this work and he said sure, and that's how it 409 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 9: all started. 410 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 2: Archie named his new head the ice pad, A new 411 00:22:55,359 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 2: broomhead made of an unidentified fabric by an unidentified inventor. 412 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 13: Who handed you the ice pad? 413 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 9: Well, the inventor? Who's that the inventor? 414 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 7: Why won't you tell us that is? 415 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 5: No? I think it's not. 416 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,120 Speaker 13: I don't understand why we want to keep his name secret. 417 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 10: Well, why do you want to know the name, because. 418 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 13: He invented this great thing. I want to talk to 419 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 13: him about what he invented and what do you did? 420 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 10: Well, you can look it up. 421 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 2: We did look it up. We couldn't find the inventor. 422 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 2: As you might imagine, information on inventors who specialize in 423 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 2: finding the best possible fabric for a curling broom is 424 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 2: not so readily available. But what we do know is 425 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 2: that this broom material is incredibly versatile, strong, and water proof. 426 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 2: It makes sweeping feel easy, a little too easy, so 427 00:23:50,800 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 2: easy that you only need one sweeper. This now brings 428 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 2: us back to the twenty fifteen to sixteen season, Me 429 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 2: sitting on the couch with my phone going crazy watching 430 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,199 Speaker 2: that Grand Slam in Newfoundland where Brad Guju and his 431 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 2: team stepped out onto the ice and changed the game forever. 432 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 2: But it wasn't just the one sweeper technique they were 433 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 2: showing off for the first time. It was the powerful 434 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 2: magic of Hardlines broom. 435 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 11: All you got to do is put the broom in 436 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 11: front of the rock, and the rock starts going whatever 437 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 11: direction you want. Brad Guju, if everybody can't figure it out, 438 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 11: they're idiots. But we're not going to tell everybody, but 439 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 11: we're gonna show you. We're going to show you the 440 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 11: impact that these could have. 441 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 2: The broom could take the rock in quote whatever direction 442 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 2: you want. And Hardline sponsored players had been using the 443 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 2: broom for a couple of years now, and the curling 444 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,959 Speaker 2: community started to wonder was it giving them an unfair advantage. 445 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,880 Speaker 6: The problem is there's a whole lack of trust now 446 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 6: among the players. There was a great camaraderie among the 447 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 6: players out here on the tour, and there's a it's 448 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 6: a big divisor now and that's kind of sad for 449 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 6: the sport to be. 450 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:09,959 Speaker 2: Frank Quickly, suspicions around this broom started to tear at 451 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 2: the very fabric of my community. You know the problem 452 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 2: between the teams that you know, guys that were friends, 453 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 2: uh recently, they're not talking. 454 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 7: To each other. 455 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 2: Is this sport becoming cutthroat? Is money changing this sport? 456 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 2: But here's the thing, there's something I haven't told you. 457 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 2: Years before, Brad showed the world what this broom could do. 458 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 2: I was one of the first curlers to use a 459 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 2: Hardline broom and I loved it. I told all my 460 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 2: curling friends about it. And so when Hardline wanted some 461 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,719 Speaker 2: star power, I convinced one of my friends, who just 462 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 2: so happened to be one of the best curlers in 463 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 2: the world, to use the broom And little did I 464 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 2: know what would happen next. Call it what you want, 465 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 2: call it the butterfly effect, call me patient zero. The 466 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 2: first domino that I'm here to tell you I might 467 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 2: have caused broomgate this season. On broom Gate, was there 468 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 2: ever a thought in your mind that they were cheating? 469 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 11: The thought crossed our mind where they were aware of 470 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 11: this and they hit it. 471 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 12: This type of technology is going to ruin the sport. 472 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 7: So hard to deal with that because we wanted the 473 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 7: technology race to stop. 474 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 11: It was awful. 475 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 9: It was so unpleasant to be at trailing events, which 476 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 9: is usually I just said, it's my favorite part of 477 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 9: the game. 478 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 10: He goes, this is these brooms, this is what we're 479 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 10: dealing with. 480 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 7: You can manipulate this rock that gets on a Joystad. 481 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 7: We feel like we're bringing a knife to a gunfight. 482 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 9: And that's when I said, these guys want a war, 483 00:26:58,200 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 9: I'm gonna give them a war. 484 00:26:59,160 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 10: They're never gonna forget. 485 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 2: Broogate is a production of USG Audio and CBC in 486 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 2: association with Pacific Electric and Kelly and Kelly. 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