WEBVTT - Episode 441: What Is Even Left To Say About The 2026 Mariners?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey guys, just a reminder to all you. This Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to be doing a live podcast taping over

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<v Speaker 1>with our friends at queen Am Beer Hall in collaboration

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<v Speaker 1>with our friends at Corona as well. So after the

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<v Speaker 1>Mariners Yankees game on Tuesday, likely tomorrow, when you're listening

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<v Speaker 1>to this, we'll be taping our podcast. You can plan

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<v Speaker 1>for around seven pm. It'll be thirty to forty five

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<v Speaker 1>minutes after the conclusion of the Mariners Yankees game on Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 1>So come on out and hang out with us. Whether

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<v Speaker 1>you're just stopping buy for dinner and some drinks and

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<v Speaker 1>want to hang out with your friends and want to

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<v Speaker 1>talk baseball with us, there's a lot to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>these days. You can come hang out because we'll be

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<v Speaker 1>at the hall watching a little bit of the game,

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<v Speaker 1>at least the back end of it, and then we'll

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<v Speaker 1>be recording. We'll be around to hang out with you guys. Afterwards,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll have a bunch of giveaways to hand out with

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<v Speaker 1>our friends at Corona. So come on out again this

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<v Speaker 1>Tuesday tomorrow. It'll be August the eleventh, over at queen

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<v Speaker 2>Well in to episode number four, forty one of the

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<v Speaker 2>Marine Layer Podcast, The Mariners get swept by the Rays

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<v Speaker 2>on fiftieth anniversary weekend, and well, I feel like the

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<v Speaker 2>stories just right themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they do all right. A reminder of you, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get it rolling, and we welcome you to this

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<v Speaker 2>episode of the Marine Layer Podcast, part of the Just

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<v Speaker 2>Baseball podcast network, recording here on Sunday evening, August ninth.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm tired, lyle I'm tired of it?

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hm, who is it is? Anybody still sitting there

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<v Speaker 1>saying like this has been awesome? Everybody's tired of it?

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody it It.

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<v Speaker 2>Just keeps getting worse. You're telling me of all the

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<v Speaker 2>things this week, Like you get into this scuffle with

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<v Speaker 2>the Tigers, you have all these legends coming back into

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<v Speaker 2>town to like give you like of the bits and

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<v Speaker 2>pieces of Mariner's history that's been successful to try and

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<v Speaker 2>take something from that and use it as fuel to

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<v Speaker 2>have yourself play better and score more than four runs

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<v Speaker 2>over the entire weekend. Like you would think you'd see something,

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<v Speaker 2>but no, no, we didn't see anything.

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<v Speaker 1>No, absolutely not. I mean, aside from an unbelievable Saturday

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<v Speaker 1>night from Josh Naylor, there was no offense throughout the

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<v Speaker 1>weekend and it was non existent. And it's just so

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<v Speaker 1>on brand too, I mean. And here's the craziest part.

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<v Speaker 1>I had a friend of ours text me over the

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<v Speaker 1>weekend and he said, I am gonna remember this day

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<v Speaker 1>against the I think, yeah, the Rays, right, No, no, no, no, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>He sent me a text on Friday night. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>There's been a lot of bad games, but as an

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<v Speaker 1>overall day, today will stick with me as potentially the

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<v Speaker 1>end of our season physically and mentally. This is Friday

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<v Speaker 1>after the loss against the Raids. I said to him, brother,

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna get worse, Like you have every right to

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<v Speaker 1>feel that way, because they were playing terrible baseball up

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<v Speaker 1>to that point, and they played terrible baseball the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of the weekend. The meat of this August schedule hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>even kicked in yet. This road trip hasn't started yet.

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<v Speaker 1>They haven't gone and played the Yankees and the Bronx

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<v Speaker 1>and the Brewers in Milwaukee and the Astros in Houston,

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<v Speaker 1>who continue to win ball games, like the Raids are

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<v Speaker 1>a really good team. They're the best team in the

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<v Speaker 1>American League. But the true meat of this thing has

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<v Speaker 1>not kicked in yet. There's seven games under five hundred,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're talking about how it can and likely will

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<v Speaker 1>get worse.

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<v Speaker 2>The Astros win tonight and on Sunday Night baseball, the

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<v Speaker 2>Mariners will be five games back in the worst division

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<v Speaker 2>in baseball, three and a half games out of the

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<v Speaker 2>playoff spot to bad teams in front of you. But

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't matter because at this point the Mariners are

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<v Speaker 2>a bad team. They're right where they should be.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and they're telling you that they're not a good

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<v Speaker 1>baseball team. No, we're at the ninth of August recording this.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not even a mediocre baseball team right now. They're

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<v Speaker 1>a talented baseball team on paper who cannot put it

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<v Speaker 1>together for a variety of different reasons. They cannot put

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<v Speaker 1>this thing together, and they're proving to everybody that despite

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<v Speaker 1>the ridiculously high preseason expectations, they're not a good baseball team.

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<v Speaker 1>Like they're a talented team, but they're not a fundamentally

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<v Speaker 1>sound successful ball club. Unless something drastic changes in the

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<v Speaker 1>next few weeks, the story is going to remain that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Unless the story changes here in the month of August

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<v Speaker 1>and they really write this ship, they're telling you who

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<v Speaker 1>they are, which is not a good baseball team.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even want to sit here and joke about

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<v Speaker 2>the irony of the Mariners having their low point new

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<v Speaker 2>low point of the first fifty low points of the

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<v Speaker 2>seas in fifty seasons that they're having here in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty six was this weekend. But like ironically, the Mariners

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<v Speaker 2>had a pretty fitting fiftieth anniversary weekend for this franchise,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's unfortunate for all the hard working people who

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<v Speaker 2>put together this amazing weekend. From a marketing perspective, I

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<v Speaker 2>thought Saturday's celebration was super cool, getting to see all

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<v Speaker 2>those names and those old highlights and Riz getting inducted

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<v Speaker 2>into the or probably he's going to get inducted into

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<v Speaker 2>the Mariners Hall of Fame next year, which will be

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<v Speaker 2>super cool. That was all perfect, but unfortunately the play

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<v Speaker 2>on the field perfectly encapsulates the Mariners franchise through fifty seasons,

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<v Speaker 2>always letting you down, and he sucks. I wish I

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<v Speaker 2>could say something different, because the marketing and the baseball

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<v Speaker 2>are total two totally different things, and you try and

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<v Speaker 2>do something super cool for the fans who clearly appreciated

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<v Speaker 2>the celebration, but then the baseball is just flat and

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<v Speaker 2>disappointing and very fitting for the Seattle Mariners.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you said it in your social media reaction.

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<v Speaker 1>It's always the fans left holding the bag, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Every fans are the ones who have to keep showing

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<v Speaker 2>up to the park and paying for tickets and buying

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<v Speaker 2>TV subscriptions when there are these seasons where we're saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>we're we got this, We're gonna we're gonna win the

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<v Speaker 2>World Series, and at the end of the day, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure people in the Mariners organization are very frustrated

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<v Speaker 2>and very mad, but at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 2>it is always the fans left holding that bag.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the players all get paid no matter what front office,

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<v Speaker 2>they all get paid coaches, they all get paid owners,

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<v Speaker 2>They make they've given the break a profit, which it's

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<v Speaker 2>very profitable. It seems they all make money. The fans

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<v Speaker 2>of the one are always the ones left holding the bag.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's I think that's what's sunk in the most

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<v Speaker 2>to me here on Sunday, as the Mariners are careering

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<v Speaker 2>towards another loss on a just truly tragic homestand that

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<v Speaker 2>they had against two non playoff teams and then one

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<v Speaker 2>of the best teams in the American League, will they

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<v Speaker 2>finish three and six? And they're stirring at a road

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<v Speaker 2>trip where there really is no hope. There's none, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Mean unless a legitimate miracle happens, unless Angels in the

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<v Speaker 1>outfield is reincarnated with the twenty twenty six Seattle Mariners. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you can all see what's in front of you.

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<v Speaker 1>And even more so to your point about fans holding

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<v Speaker 1>the bag, not only in the current state are they

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<v Speaker 1>holding the bag with Like you said, players get paid,

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<v Speaker 1>coaches get paid billionaires or billionaires, and they keep turning

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<v Speaker 1>profits well even as time goes on. Players retire, front

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<v Speaker 1>office people off and retire or find new jobs. Coaches

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<v Speaker 1>move on. Fans don't. You're just stuck here and in

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<v Speaker 1>fifty seasons they have made the World Series zero times.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wait, well, actually surely they made it last year,

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<v Speaker 1>right am? I is my mind blanking? They went to

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<v Speaker 1>the World Series against the Dodgers last year.

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<v Speaker 2>Right they did not?

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't. No, I swore they did.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, No, I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>They I thought they I could have sworn they went

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<v Speaker 1>to the World Series against the Dodgers.

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<v Speaker 2>Now bizarre of came in and pitched.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh right, Dan Wilson didn't put munos in the game

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<v Speaker 1>in the seventh inning. Right, No, they didn't go to

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<v Speaker 1>the World Series. So fifty seasons no World.

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<v Speaker 2>Series, right yeah, And the fans are left here having

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<v Speaker 2>to show up again next season when everyone says, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I know this season's bad, just wait for next year.

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<v Speaker 2>But like some of us are just tired, tired of

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<v Speaker 2>next season. And we'll continue this conversation later on. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a larger point to all of this that we brought

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<v Speaker 2>up over and over again, and it's gonna come back

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<v Speaker 2>up as the Mariner's head on a road and the

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<v Speaker 2>fact there's an off day tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>But like.

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<v Speaker 2>Going forward, the Mariners are gonna need to answer the

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<v Speaker 2>question like they bought at the deadline, not a hard buy,

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<v Speaker 2>but they bought. Is twenty twenty six still the season

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<v Speaker 2>where you could make the playoffs? Or is the season over?

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<v Speaker 2>I think Tuesday's gonna tell us that by the time

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<v Speaker 2>they get to Tuesday, has anything changed. And when I

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<v Speaker 2>say anything, I mean literally anything. It can be whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever you think might change the Mariner's trajectory going forward.

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<v Speaker 2>If they get to Tuesday and nothing has changed, then

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<v Speaker 2>I think to me that signals there's no belief in

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<v Speaker 2>this team. M hm, well, the team might spin it, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>that means we believe in our guys a lot. I

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<v Speaker 2>actually think it means the exact opposite, that this team

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<v Speaker 2>is not worth changing anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Further, for sure, totally fair. By the way, we'll get

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<v Speaker 1>into some potential changes that they could go through. But

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<v Speaker 1>while we're sitting here, before we do that, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>watching on YouTube, drop a comment what you think some

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<v Speaker 1>action moves could be. And if you're listening, send us

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<v Speaker 1>a DM like what do you think the Mariners could

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<v Speaker 1>or should do in the next forty eight hours and

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<v Speaker 1>take some action? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>talk about any more. Lyle about why is this part

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<v Speaker 2>of the roster underperforming? Why is this part of the

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<v Speaker 2>roster underperforming? Why is Dan Wilson underperforming. Why are the

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<v Speaker 2>hitting coaches underperforming? Why are Jerry and Justin underperforming? There's

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<v Speaker 2>no more why, it's how are the Mariners going to

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<v Speaker 2>fix this? If they still believe the twenty twenty six

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<v Speaker 2>season season is salvagable. So if they get to New

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<v Speaker 2>York on Tuesday and nothing else has changed, then to me,

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<v Speaker 2>that signals a white flag on the season, because not

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<v Speaker 2>changing anything, I believe rights the destiny of this team

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<v Speaker 2>is missing the playoffs and that they'll end August ten

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<v Speaker 2>to fifteen games below five hundred, that not even a

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<v Speaker 2>soft September schedule can save for them. So the only

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<v Speaker 2>way that is not the case is if they change

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<v Speaker 2>something by Tuesday. Is that fair?

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's totally fair. But for the people who

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<v Speaker 1>might want a further elaboration, why did this home series

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<v Speaker 1>doing in for you? Where you say now you have

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<v Speaker 1>to make an action move or it's done. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think you're wrong. I just think it would be interesting

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<v Speaker 1>to hear your elaborate on.

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<v Speaker 2>It, because you're staring down the barrel of a one

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<v Speaker 2>in eight or two and seven road trip. If you

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<v Speaker 2>don't m h, I mean season's over if you do.

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<v Speaker 1>That, right, I mean We're already on the brink of it.

0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:24.640
<v Speaker 1>We joked season over all the time, we are actually

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<v Speaker 1>on the brink of it right now. They go and

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<v Speaker 1>get boat raced on this road trip. You're not coming

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<v Speaker 1>back from that.

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<v Speaker 2>If you get if you go two and seven on

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<v Speaker 2>this road trip, meaning like you win, you win one

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<v Speaker 2>of three and two of the series and gets swept

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<v Speaker 2>in another one, that puts you twelve games below five

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<v Speaker 2>hundred with what a week and a half left to

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<v Speaker 2>go in August? Yeah, how are you coming back from that?

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<v Speaker 1>So that would be how many games? Because as we

0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:54.800
<v Speaker 1>sit here today, as the Mariners lost, the Mariners sit

0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:58.720
<v Speaker 1>it sixty three and fifty six, So that is one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and nine games into the year. Nine more games

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<v Speaker 1>is one hundred and eighteen, so remaining, you would have

0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:11.800
<v Speaker 1>forty four games left on your schedule, and you would

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<v Speaker 1>be what nine games under five hundred? Ten No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>because there's six under right now or seven or seven hunder.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you go two and seven on this road trip,

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<v Speaker 1>you're twelve under with forty four games to go. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>how in the world do you dig yourselves out of that?

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<v Speaker 1>You would have to go? I don't know. You'd have

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<v Speaker 1>to win thirty five of your final forty four, and

0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:36.040
<v Speaker 1>you'd still have the Cubs and the Phillies and the

0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:38.760
<v Speaker 1>Red Sox left, and you still have the Astros in

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<v Speaker 1>another series in September.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, exactly exactly, so like you cannot get to Tuesday

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<v Speaker 2>if you still believe twenty twenty six is salvagable with

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<v Speaker 2>everything intact, coaches, players and front office like all of them.

0:13:57.160 --> 0:14:02.240
<v Speaker 2>People get pissed when you start asking if change is possible,

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm not sure if what else is possible at

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<v Speaker 2>this point that the Mariners care about the outcome of

0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:12.840
<v Speaker 2>this twenty twenty sixth season. Keeping it the same clearly

0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:16.240
<v Speaker 2>has not worked. People have said for weeks, just got

0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:20.080
<v Speaker 2>to believe, just gotta believe, just gotta believe. Alvin Davis

0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:23.600
<v Speaker 2>this week and said, just gotta believe. That's not right.

0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:29.120
<v Speaker 2>It's not right anymore. It's not and it's really unfair

0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:33.440
<v Speaker 2>to the fans to just keep telling them to believe. Well,

0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:38.600
<v Speaker 2>everything else says the opposite. You keep telling everyone to believe,

0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:42.000
<v Speaker 2>and then you end August fifteen games below five hundred,

0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:43.960
<v Speaker 2>insulting to fans.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, of course it is. And Alvin Davis is

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<v Speaker 1>the ultimate nice guy, raw ra guy. Of course he's

0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:52.240
<v Speaker 1>gonna try and fire people up. I don't try Alvin

0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:56.120
<v Speaker 1>for doing that. I know you don't either. But when

0:14:56.160 --> 0:14:58.840
<v Speaker 1>that can't even get you going, and the scuffle with

0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:01.280
<v Speaker 1>the Tigers can't get you go, and the trade deadline

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<v Speaker 1>can't get you going, I don't know what's going to

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<v Speaker 1>So let me follow up on this again. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think you're wrong when you say that action needs to

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<v Speaker 1>be taken in some form of another before they start

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<v Speaker 1>Game one in New York on Tuesday. The only thing

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<v Speaker 1>I'll say is, if there's action taken, does it change anything,

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<v Speaker 1>because I think we're still in the same boat of

0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:27.160
<v Speaker 1>if your stars continue to play like this, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if anything matters.

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<v Speaker 2>That's totally right. But if it all comes back to

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<v Speaker 2>if you still believe you can win in twenty twenty six,

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<v Speaker 2>which given the state of the American League, anything is possible.

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<v Speaker 2>But here's one thing. You do know what you currently

0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:51.120
<v Speaker 2>have does not work right, That's true. Yeah, so you

0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:55.880
<v Speaker 2>can't keep doing the same thing. You cannot, even if

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<v Speaker 2>it's not logical. Even if going into this weekend you

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<v Speaker 2>didn't think something like that would make sense. You have

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<v Speaker 2>to try something because if not, you're telling us that

0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:08.400
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty six doesn't matter anymore, and you need to

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<v Speaker 2>start focusing on twenty twenty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>If people want to look Last Half full, because I

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<v Speaker 1>know this is for every good reason been a very,

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<v Speaker 1>very down in the dumps negative podcast, and has to

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<v Speaker 1>be with how they've played to this point in the year,

0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:24.320
<v Speaker 1>and it has to be with how they played this weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you want to look Last Half fall, and

0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:28.680
<v Speaker 1>if you want to jump on TJ's back and get

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<v Speaker 1>on board with his take, which is totally valid in

0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:33.640
<v Speaker 1>the sense of serious action, needs to be taken in

0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:35.960
<v Speaker 1>some form before Tuesday's game. If you want to try

0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:39.240
<v Speaker 1>to write the ship of this season, there are small

0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:43.120
<v Speaker 1>little signs that your stars are starting to come out

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<v Speaker 1>of this a little bit. Well cal I don't know, man,

0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:49.640
<v Speaker 1>that's that feels like a whole different rabbit hole to

0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:52.000
<v Speaker 1>dive into, I mean dive down. And I don't know

0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:53.840
<v Speaker 1>if his season is salvageable at this point. I mean,

0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:57.160
<v Speaker 1>it continues to just look brutal. But if you want

0:16:57.160 --> 0:17:01.040
<v Speaker 1>to look elsewhere, Julio's last seven to ten games, he's

0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:03.200
<v Speaker 1>starting to do the August Julio thing a little bit.

0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:06.720
<v Speaker 1>Julio's last seven games he's opsing ten forty eight and

0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:09.760
<v Speaker 1>hitting three sixty. Like you're starting to see Julio really

0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:13.959
<v Speaker 1>lock in. Josh Naylor's last fifteen games were things buoyed

0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:16.120
<v Speaker 1>a little bit by his great game on Saturday. Sure,

0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:19.520
<v Speaker 1>but his last fifteen games he's hitting two seventy eight

0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:22.040
<v Speaker 1>and his ops is over eight hundred. So if you

0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:24.160
<v Speaker 1>want to jump on board with TJ's take and say

0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:27.200
<v Speaker 1>this season is still salvageable if they try to change

0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:30.760
<v Speaker 1>some things around here, and you believe that, oh maybe

0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:33.879
<v Speaker 1>maybe Julio and Naylor are starting to break out of

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<v Speaker 1>this thing and they can lead the charge and they

0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:38.680
<v Speaker 1>can get this whole thing going along with Randy, along

0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:42.479
<v Speaker 1>with Dom, along with Cole Young. Then yet you do

0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:45.119
<v Speaker 1>have to do something right now, because this is the

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<v Speaker 1>breaking point of the season where if you don't fix

0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:49.800
<v Speaker 1>it now, it's done. You come back from this road

0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:52.480
<v Speaker 1>trip two and seven, Hell, you come back three and six,

0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:56.360
<v Speaker 1>you're probably done because right now you're seven games under.

0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:58.600
<v Speaker 1>If you lose three more games aground on this road

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<v Speaker 1>trip against teams that you are not going to be

0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:07.080
<v Speaker 1>favored against You're talking ten under with forty four games left. Man,

0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:08.959
<v Speaker 1>that is a rabbit hole. I mean that is a

0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:10.119
<v Speaker 1>big hole to climb out of.

0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:14.680
<v Speaker 2>Even with Julio and Naylor turning things around while they're

0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:17.200
<v Speaker 2>not scoring right, even with.

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<v Speaker 1>That, I'm trying to get people some little glass half

0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:23.040
<v Speaker 1>fall perspective of can your stars start to drive this?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, look, I'm not sitting here believing I know

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<v Speaker 1>what's coming up in August. We've talked about this, but

0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:30.920
<v Speaker 1>if people want to try and look lass half fall,

0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:32.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to give them a reason to do so,

0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:35.320
<v Speaker 1>which is Julio Naylor are starting to show some signs

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<v Speaker 1>of life.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, sure, but the cold hard facts are that

0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:43.760
<v Speaker 2>even with that, even with those guys starting to heat up.

0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:45.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean, Naylor for the last month has been getting

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<v Speaker 2>on base and hitting totally fine. There's just been no power.

0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:52.480
<v Speaker 2>And yet Julio's recent week week plus has been good.

0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:55.560
<v Speaker 2>If you go back like two weeks, the Mariners are

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<v Speaker 2>twenty ninth in baseball and runs score only the Angels

0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:02.680
<v Speaker 2>are worse. It just it's so hard to find any

0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:05.639
<v Speaker 2>sort of glass half full thing with this team, and

0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:07.120
<v Speaker 2>now they're going to go out on the road where

0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:14.520
<v Speaker 2>they've really, really, really really struggled this season. Really yeah, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>let's run down the list of things the Mariners could

0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:19.399
<v Speaker 2>possibly do here on this off day on Monday. And

0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:21.960
<v Speaker 2>the off day is big because off days give everyone

0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:26.960
<v Speaker 2>plenty of time to sit and think about the state

0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:27.639
<v Speaker 2>of this roster.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Let's let's do this in an interesting way. Let's

0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:34.480
<v Speaker 1>go back and forth. You throw it at you throw

0:19:34.520 --> 0:19:36.560
<v Speaker 1>out an idea, I'll throw out an idea, You can

0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:38.720
<v Speaker 1>throw out an idea, et cetera.

0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:43.199
<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's start with the players. Can you give me

0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:45.840
<v Speaker 2>a reason why Michael Arroyo and Las Montes shouldn't be

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<v Speaker 2>on the roster on Tuesday.

0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:51.160
<v Speaker 1>I do not think Las Montes is a big league ready.

0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:53.560
<v Speaker 1>He's still not hitting lefties, his strikeout rate is still

0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:57.359
<v Speaker 1>too high in Tacoma. But Michael Arroyo, yes, he should

0:19:57.359 --> 0:19:57.680
<v Speaker 1>be here.

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<v Speaker 2>You're probably right on Las. But but your point on

0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:07.919
<v Speaker 2>him is going to be a theme with like some

0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:10.400
<v Speaker 2>of the decisions that will be made up to Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 2>I know front officers always think in the long term.

0:20:15.760 --> 0:20:15.920
<v Speaker 1>But.

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<v Speaker 2>My thing is, like I just can't hear the words

0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:27.720
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty seven at all. This week when thinking about

0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:30.760
<v Speaker 2>this team, I can't I can't do it. I can't

0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:36.960
<v Speaker 2>have like all of this preseason hype, all of this

0:20:37.960 --> 0:20:40.800
<v Speaker 2>it's our time to win the World Series. I can't

0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:42.960
<v Speaker 2>have it. And then we've reached not even the middle

0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:46.560
<v Speaker 2>of August, and everyone's already focused on next season. And

0:20:46.640 --> 0:20:50.520
<v Speaker 2>while I understand and you're totally logically right on Las

0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:55.160
<v Speaker 2>Montes and him potentially not being ready for the big

0:20:55.240 --> 0:20:59.040
<v Speaker 2>leagues right now, one thing you definitely do need is

0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:02.719
<v Speaker 2>more power and not got enough power the guy. If

0:21:02.760 --> 0:21:05.040
<v Speaker 2>there's one thing you know he'll do when he comes

0:21:05.080 --> 0:21:08.080
<v Speaker 2>up here, two things strikeout or three things strikeout, walk

0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:10.520
<v Speaker 2>and hit home runs, we know he's gonna do that.

0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:12.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't care about the defense. I don't care about

0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:14.800
<v Speaker 2>anything else. And I'm not even saying it makes a

0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:20.760
<v Speaker 2>whole lot of sense. But if I it decisions that

0:21:20.840 --> 0:21:23.159
<v Speaker 2>come on Tuesday. If you're saying we didn't do this

0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:27.840
<v Speaker 2>because twenty twenty seven, I think it's backwards.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, but there still has to be some process that

0:21:30.680 --> 0:21:33.000
<v Speaker 1>you take in player development. Are you calling up Felmin

0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:34.560
<v Speaker 1>Sellison and Johnny Barmelo two?

0:21:36.000 --> 0:21:39.480
<v Speaker 2>Okay, but that's different. Those guys are multiple levels away

0:21:39.480 --> 0:21:40.720
<v Speaker 2>from the big leagues.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yes, but Las hasn't been in TRIPA that long.

0:21:47.960 --> 0:21:53.400
<v Speaker 2>It's still more logical than the other two. And also like, yes,

0:21:53.480 --> 0:21:56.040
<v Speaker 2>you wouldn't have a center fielder a backup centerfielder for

0:21:56.119 --> 0:22:00.480
<v Speaker 2>Julio at Victor was Victor Robliss is the example of

0:22:00.640 --> 0:22:03.720
<v Speaker 2>who's the spot Laz would take, right, he would take

0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:07.560
<v Speaker 2>Robless to spot because Roblest barely plays anymore. It doesn't

0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:09.320
<v Speaker 2>even seem they trust him that much at the plate,

0:22:10.280 --> 0:22:13.800
<v Speaker 2>So that's where like Laz would be in there. But

0:22:14.200 --> 0:22:16.639
<v Speaker 2>like the team need does need if they're trying to

0:22:16.640 --> 0:22:19.280
<v Speaker 2>score more runs, like that's one way to do it.

0:22:19.280 --> 0:22:22.879
<v Speaker 2>It might not be pretty. But if you're starting to

0:22:22.880 --> 0:22:25.840
<v Speaker 2>throw stuff at the wall just to try and again

0:22:26.080 --> 0:22:30.280
<v Speaker 2>salvage something out of this season, what's currently there is

0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:34.480
<v Speaker 2>not working mm hm, So you gotta you gotta try,

0:22:34.600 --> 0:22:37.040
<v Speaker 2>even if it sounds insane, you might have to try it.

0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:39.879
<v Speaker 2>But I see no, I see no good argument that

0:22:39.920 --> 0:22:41.440
<v Speaker 2>at least one of those two shouldn't be up on

0:22:41.520 --> 0:22:43.760
<v Speaker 2>the roster on Tuesday. And if you're telling me, I

0:22:43.800 --> 0:22:45.879
<v Speaker 2>saw this idea floated out there this week that they

0:22:45.920 --> 0:22:49.480
<v Speaker 2>want to protect those guys, so next year they can

0:22:49.560 --> 0:22:52.800
<v Speaker 2>play games while the lockout's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Miss me with that, I mean, yeah, I mean that's

0:22:57.960 --> 0:23:01.280
<v Speaker 1>totally fine. I'm with you. I don't think you should

0:23:01.280 --> 0:23:05.280
<v Speaker 1>just keep Michael Arroyo down because of a potential lockout

0:23:05.320 --> 0:23:08.040
<v Speaker 1>next year so you can keep playing. Because again, if

0:23:08.320 --> 0:23:10.080
<v Speaker 1>that's the case, then it's back to your point that

0:23:10.119 --> 0:23:12.760
<v Speaker 1>you started this whole thing with, which is you're punning

0:23:12.840 --> 0:23:16.199
<v Speaker 1>this season, right, you're not doing everything possible to make

0:23:16.200 --> 0:23:17.520
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty six a priority.

0:23:19.280 --> 0:23:22.640
<v Speaker 2>It if this if you view the twenty twenty sixth

0:23:22.680 --> 0:23:28.359
<v Speaker 2>season as incomplete, as as a lost cause unfortunately, Like

0:23:28.680 --> 0:23:30.320
<v Speaker 2>why should the fans have to show up to the

0:23:30.359 --> 0:23:32.399
<v Speaker 2>park the rest of the season If that's the case,

0:23:34.280 --> 0:23:35.080
<v Speaker 2>it's a good question.

0:23:35.800 --> 0:23:38.879
<v Speaker 1>Also, don't las In Arroyo have to be put on

0:23:38.920 --> 0:23:40.520
<v Speaker 1>the forty man next year? Are they not? Yeah?

0:23:40.560 --> 0:23:41.200
<v Speaker 2>I think they do.

0:23:41.560 --> 0:23:44.320
<v Speaker 1>So for whoever said that online, I don't even think

0:23:44.320 --> 0:23:46.879
<v Speaker 1>that logic checks out because those guys aren't gonna be

0:23:46.920 --> 0:23:49.080
<v Speaker 1>able to play next year anyway. The Mariners are gonna

0:23:49.119 --> 0:23:50.800
<v Speaker 1>have to put those guys on the forty man in

0:23:50.800 --> 0:23:53.640
<v Speaker 1>the winner because you're not gonna let them get Rule

0:23:53.680 --> 0:23:56.680
<v Speaker 1>five Obviously, and if you're on the forty man, that's

0:23:56.720 --> 0:23:59.320
<v Speaker 1>what qualifies into the lockout. So if there's a lockout

0:23:59.359 --> 0:24:03.400
<v Speaker 1>next year, Laz and Arroyo are a plan. Anyway, Farmelo

0:24:03.400 --> 0:24:06.160
<v Speaker 1>will be playing, and Salaston will be playing, and Luke

0:24:06.160 --> 0:24:08.320
<v Speaker 1>Stevenson will be playning and some of those other guys,

0:24:08.320 --> 0:24:11.679
<v Speaker 1>but not Kade, not Sloan. Well, actually it depends what

0:24:11.720 --> 0:24:13.080
<v Speaker 1>those guys and what they do. We'll get to them

0:24:13.119 --> 0:24:16.440
<v Speaker 1>in a minute. But Laz and Arroyo, I think you

0:24:16.480 --> 0:24:20.119
<v Speaker 1>got to put on the forty man. So yes, I

0:24:20.119 --> 0:24:23.000
<v Speaker 1>would not do it with Laz yet. Maybe in September.

0:24:23.119 --> 0:24:24.960
<v Speaker 1>We'll see how he looks over the next month and

0:24:24.960 --> 0:24:27.760
<v Speaker 1>you can make a decision then Arroyo. Yeah, And if

0:24:27.760 --> 0:24:29.640
<v Speaker 1>you want to even go deeper than that in Tacoma,

0:24:29.720 --> 0:24:32.280
<v Speaker 1>here's the first idea I'll throw out there. You can

0:24:32.280 --> 0:24:35.439
<v Speaker 1>bring Ryan Bliss up too. You could take Michael Arroyo,

0:24:35.600 --> 0:24:39.440
<v Speaker 1>Ryan Bliss, bring him up, and you could send down

0:24:39.800 --> 0:24:42.280
<v Speaker 1>West and Wilson and Leo Ribas.

0:24:42.400 --> 0:24:47.399
<v Speaker 2>Right, perfectly logical, No, no good reason for that not

0:24:47.560 --> 0:24:52.720
<v Speaker 2>to happen on Tuesday. Sure, try something. Well, can you

0:24:52.760 --> 0:24:54.720
<v Speaker 2>name me a good reason why, Ryan, Sloan and Kate

0:24:54.800 --> 0:24:58.080
<v Speaker 2>Anderson shouldn't be up pitching on this Mariner's staff, either

0:24:58.080 --> 0:25:00.160
<v Speaker 2>in the bullpen or in the rotation on Tuesday.

0:25:02.119 --> 0:25:03.919
<v Speaker 1>Be quite a move of Jerry to go back on

0:25:03.960 --> 0:25:05.679
<v Speaker 1>his word from four days ago to say we're not

0:25:05.720 --> 0:25:07.879
<v Speaker 1>putting Kate in the bullpen too. Well, now we're putting

0:25:07.920 --> 0:25:10.520
<v Speaker 1>Kate in the bullpen. Be kind of funny. Optics, I'll say.

0:25:10.320 --> 0:25:15.040
<v Speaker 2>That, screw the optics. Do you want to win? I mean, yes,

0:25:15.240 --> 0:25:20.880
<v Speaker 2>I do, right exactly. It all comes back to that, right,

0:25:21.359 --> 0:25:24.120
<v Speaker 2>So Jerry would tell us again. It could be perfectly

0:25:24.160 --> 0:25:27.480
<v Speaker 2>logical for a front office in any situation besides this one,

0:25:27.520 --> 0:25:29.720
<v Speaker 2>to say, well, we don't want to ruin the development

0:25:29.760 --> 0:25:33.560
<v Speaker 2>of our prospects. It's like, okay, but like once you

0:25:33.680 --> 0:25:37.680
<v Speaker 2>tell us that this season doesn't matter as much, then

0:25:37.720 --> 0:25:38.560
<v Speaker 2>we have a problem.

0:25:39.280 --> 0:25:42.520
<v Speaker 1>Sure, I will do the same thing with Laz and

0:25:42.640 --> 0:25:45.800
<v Speaker 1>Arroyo that I'll do with Kate and Sloan. Here, you

0:25:45.800 --> 0:25:48.679
<v Speaker 1>can absolutely have me buying in to Kate Anderson being

0:25:48.800 --> 0:25:51.680
<v Speaker 1>up on the big leagu grosster. You could, because he's

0:25:51.720 --> 0:25:53.479
<v Speaker 1>a big league arm pitching in the miners. He's too

0:25:53.480 --> 0:25:55.200
<v Speaker 1>good for the minor leagues. We know that he just

0:25:55.280 --> 0:26:00.200
<v Speaker 1>had another great start this weekend Sloan, I would hump

0:26:00.240 --> 0:26:02.800
<v Speaker 1>the brakes a little bit. He is not even at

0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:06.359
<v Speaker 1>the innings total of last year's Ryan Sloane innings, so

0:26:07.080 --> 0:26:09.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how putting him in the bullpen does

0:26:09.320 --> 0:26:11.760
<v Speaker 1>much for him at twenty years old. That would really

0:26:11.800 --> 0:26:14.840
<v Speaker 1>be stunning some development. I know you say you don't

0:26:14.840 --> 0:26:17.000
<v Speaker 1>care about that. There is a level I'm willing to

0:26:17.040 --> 0:26:19.320
<v Speaker 1>go with this where when Ryan Sloan is the chance

0:26:19.320 --> 0:26:21.000
<v Speaker 1>to be the ace of your staff in a couple

0:26:21.040 --> 0:26:24.200
<v Speaker 1>of years, and you could be yanking him up into

0:26:24.200 --> 0:26:26.320
<v Speaker 1>a bullpen to not even meet his inning limit on

0:26:26.359 --> 0:26:29.199
<v Speaker 1>a roster that may not make the playoffs anyway, I

0:26:29.240 --> 0:26:30.840
<v Speaker 1>think I'm gonna pump the brakes on that.

0:26:34.000 --> 0:26:37.760
<v Speaker 2>Totally logical, totally logical. But you know he would make

0:26:37.800 --> 0:26:38.480
<v Speaker 2>you better.

0:26:39.560 --> 0:26:45.479
<v Speaker 1>Probably, But there is a again, this goes back to

0:26:45.520 --> 0:26:47.720
<v Speaker 1>Then this goes back to the whole idea of well

0:26:47.720 --> 0:26:50.400
<v Speaker 1>then just call up Johnny Farmelo and felnin Celliston too.

0:26:51.080 --> 0:26:53.440
<v Speaker 1>Sloan is also multiple levels away.

0:26:53.840 --> 0:26:56.719
<v Speaker 2>But you couldn't. You can't really make a case that

0:26:56.760 --> 0:26:59.879
<v Speaker 2>Felonin or Johnny could compete at the big league level today,

0:27:00.160 --> 0:27:02.280
<v Speaker 2>But you can for the four guys I mentioned.

0:27:02.200 --> 0:27:05.560
<v Speaker 1>You can, But again I think it's you're getting really

0:27:05.680 --> 0:27:09.920
<v Speaker 1>really pushy with Sloan now if they call up Caid

0:27:10.280 --> 0:27:12.520
<v Speaker 1>and he comes up and helps, and then in September

0:27:12.560 --> 0:27:14.240
<v Speaker 1>they found their way back into it and they go

0:27:14.320 --> 0:27:16.680
<v Speaker 1>back on the plan that they talked about earlier in

0:27:16.720 --> 0:27:19.119
<v Speaker 1>the season where they want to bring Sloan up later.

0:27:20.000 --> 0:27:24.280
<v Speaker 1>All right, yeah, buy into that. But right now on

0:27:24.640 --> 0:27:28.960
<v Speaker 1>August tenth, eh feels a little crazy.

0:27:29.080 --> 0:27:31.640
<v Speaker 2>The Marrors have reached a point though, where they can't

0:27:31.680 --> 0:27:34.400
<v Speaker 2>just stay on schedule if the season still matters.

0:27:35.640 --> 0:27:37.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that's there.

0:27:37.320 --> 0:27:38.520
<v Speaker 2>It's the tough reality.

0:27:39.080 --> 0:27:39.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:27:39.359 --> 0:27:41.399
<v Speaker 2>So that's all the player stuff I can think of.

0:27:41.520 --> 0:27:43.280
<v Speaker 2>Is there any other player stuff I'm missing?

0:27:44.040 --> 0:27:45.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean not unless you want to try to go

0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:48.720
<v Speaker 1>fish down that waiver route and look toward guys that

0:27:48.760 --> 0:27:51.359
<v Speaker 1>have been DF eight. I mean, if you wanted to

0:27:51.480 --> 0:27:53.920
<v Speaker 1>try and bring Jorge Soilari in. I mean I guess

0:27:53.960 --> 0:27:58.119
<v Speaker 1>he could. He hasn't signed anywhere. But when the trade

0:27:58.119 --> 0:28:01.160
<v Speaker 1>deadline ends, everybody kind of just sits back. You can't

0:28:01.200 --> 0:28:04.600
<v Speaker 1>do much. It's just, hey, here's your team go. The

0:28:04.640 --> 0:28:07.119
<v Speaker 1>only things they can do in terms of player roster

0:28:07.240 --> 0:28:10.280
<v Speaker 1>moves is bringing guys up from the minor leagues or

0:28:10.480 --> 0:28:15.399
<v Speaker 1>fishing down that dfa waiverryer, and maybe they'd look toward that.

0:28:15.520 --> 0:28:19.920
<v Speaker 1>But there's a reason Jorge Hilaire was DFAD this year, right,

0:28:20.560 --> 0:28:22.879
<v Speaker 1>So I'd say that is about it. On the player side,

0:28:22.960 --> 0:28:24.800
<v Speaker 1>if you wanted to throw out some other names, you can,

0:28:24.880 --> 0:28:26.920
<v Speaker 1>And again, if you think we're leaving names out, you

0:28:26.960 --> 0:28:29.280
<v Speaker 1>can drop him in the comments or dm us could

0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:32.880
<v Speaker 1>they look it? I mean, like Brendan Davis is still hurt,

0:28:32.920 --> 0:28:35.480
<v Speaker 1>so that one wouldn't work. Could you look at brock

0:28:35.600 --> 0:28:39.360
<v Speaker 1>Rodden or could you look at Spencer Packard healthy? I mean,

0:28:39.360 --> 0:28:43.000
<v Speaker 1>that's another name you could throw out there, but it's

0:28:43.080 --> 0:28:47.480
<v Speaker 1>not anything that's gonna exactly inject crazy life into the team.

0:28:47.920 --> 0:28:52.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like, for example, brock Rodden is a he'd

0:28:52.080 --> 0:28:53.760
<v Speaker 1>be a utility player in the big leagues. He's not

0:28:53.760 --> 0:28:58.680
<v Speaker 1>gonna fix the offense. Spencer Packard as we sit see, No,

0:28:58.880 --> 0:29:01.120
<v Speaker 1>he's active. Oh yeah, Like, I mean that could be

0:29:01.160 --> 0:29:03.560
<v Speaker 1>another name. He's twenty eight years old. Like that's somebody

0:29:03.600 --> 0:29:06.520
<v Speaker 1>that isn't gonna have much minor league development left. Sure,

0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:08.320
<v Speaker 1>like you could try it. I don't know how much

0:29:08.360 --> 0:29:10.640
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna do. But that's about all the names left.

0:29:12.080 --> 0:29:14.800
<v Speaker 2>So then we move on to other people. Lyle's let's

0:29:14.840 --> 0:29:16.760
<v Speaker 2>move away from the players and everyone else. And I'm

0:29:16.760 --> 0:29:18.800
<v Speaker 2>gonna start by saying this. I don't I don't want

0:29:18.840 --> 0:29:21.440
<v Speaker 2>to call for people's jobs, and it's not my decision

0:29:21.520 --> 0:29:24.760
<v Speaker 2>to decide whether or not people are employed. But the

0:29:24.800 --> 0:29:27.160
<v Speaker 2>facts or the facts with this Mariner's team is that

0:29:27.200 --> 0:29:30.720
<v Speaker 2>they are drastically underperforming across the board. And rarely in

0:29:30.800 --> 0:29:34.200
<v Speaker 2>any business do you underperform to this magnitude that the

0:29:34.240 --> 0:29:37.560
<v Speaker 2>Mariners are currently at. And there's no accountability. The only

0:29:37.560 --> 0:29:41.160
<v Speaker 2>accountability we've seen all season long is Bobby maggianis losing

0:29:41.160 --> 0:29:44.320
<v Speaker 2>his job and the Mariner's offense has been worse since

0:29:44.360 --> 0:29:50.040
<v Speaker 2>they fired him. So that leaves us with two different sectors,

0:29:50.200 --> 0:29:55.640
<v Speaker 2>coaches and the front office entering Tuesday. That's that's where

0:29:55.640 --> 0:29:59.000
<v Speaker 2>we're at. It could happen to anybody at this point,

0:29:59.400 --> 0:30:03.160
<v Speaker 2>and I on a wouldn't be surprised. Like the cas

0:30:03.240 --> 0:30:06.000
<v Speaker 2>is for everyone. You have the coaches, whether you want

0:30:06.040 --> 0:30:08.760
<v Speaker 2>to be Kevin Siitz or the hitting coach, Edgar Martinez

0:30:08.760 --> 0:30:11.080
<v Speaker 2>the director of hitting, or Dan Wilson the manager, where

0:30:11.080 --> 0:30:14.280
<v Speaker 2>they just the players have underperformed to such a drastic

0:30:14.400 --> 0:30:17.320
<v Speaker 2>measure that at some point that is a reflection on

0:30:17.400 --> 0:30:20.840
<v Speaker 2>the coaching staff, and that's how they're held accountable. Or

0:30:20.880 --> 0:30:23.160
<v Speaker 2>you look up to the front office where you're sitting

0:30:23.200 --> 0:30:27.560
<v Speaker 2>in year eleven, and your trajectory is downwards. As much

0:30:27.600 --> 0:30:30.400
<v Speaker 2>as you like to pump up the farm system, the

0:30:30.480 --> 0:30:34.080
<v Speaker 2>trajectory of the major league team is down in year eleven.

0:30:34.160 --> 0:30:38.400
<v Speaker 2>And usually when that happens, people lose their jobs, unfortunately,

0:30:39.000 --> 0:30:42.280
<v Speaker 2>and it sounds but that's just how life works.

0:30:43.400 --> 0:30:45.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean. I'll dig into a couple more tweets in

0:30:45.400 --> 0:30:48.000
<v Speaker 1>the social media realm just to add some context. One

0:30:48.120 --> 0:30:50.760
<v Speaker 1>is from Softie on KJR, who tweeted this after the

0:30:50.840 --> 0:30:54.840
<v Speaker 1>loss today. But Softie said this team is totally void

0:30:54.920 --> 0:30:58.400
<v Speaker 1>of any leadership. Nobody besides an occasional media gathering with

0:30:58.520 --> 0:31:00.960
<v Speaker 1>Jerry is speaking for the team, and Jerry doesn't do

0:31:01.000 --> 0:31:03.080
<v Speaker 1>many of those. He's done one maybe two of them

0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:06.360
<v Speaker 1>this year. It's rare. To continue Softy's tweet, he says

0:31:06.600 --> 0:31:09.560
<v Speaker 1>the manager seems lost. The owner, outside of addressing the

0:31:09.560 --> 0:31:12.480
<v Speaker 1>accomplishments of the past, is a wall. The ship is

0:31:12.520 --> 0:31:15.120
<v Speaker 1>sinking and they can't get to the lifeboats fast enough,

0:31:15.680 --> 0:31:17.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean seems about right.

0:31:18.200 --> 0:31:21.200
<v Speaker 2>Yep, Softy's had a lot of good tweets this week,

0:31:21.240 --> 0:31:21.800
<v Speaker 2>I'll say that.

0:31:22.040 --> 0:31:24.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. He also mentioned that we haven't really heard from

0:31:24.480 --> 0:31:27.000
<v Speaker 1>many of the stars postgame a whole lot. I mean,

0:31:27.880 --> 0:31:30.440
<v Speaker 1>Naylor really never talks like, you don't really hear anything

0:31:30.440 --> 0:31:33.520
<v Speaker 1>from Naylor. Same thing with Randy. Cow's talked a little bit.

0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:36.120
<v Speaker 1>Julio certainly hasn't talked in a while. You know, there's

0:31:36.120 --> 0:31:38.680
<v Speaker 1>always a couple of times in the year where Julio

0:31:39.080 --> 0:31:41.560
<v Speaker 1>kind of step up and say something. Feels like he

0:31:41.600 --> 0:31:45.160
<v Speaker 1>hasn't said anything in a long while now, right, So

0:31:46.000 --> 0:31:49.080
<v Speaker 1>there's that and that. So that's more of the coaches

0:31:49.240 --> 0:31:53.120
<v Speaker 1>leadership side of it. Softie's more talking about the accountability

0:31:53.200 --> 0:31:54.920
<v Speaker 1>if you want to go to the front office side

0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:58.560
<v Speaker 1>of it. Our friend Jage on Twitter does make a

0:31:58.600 --> 0:32:01.800
<v Speaker 1>point here with the following He said, the four longest

0:32:01.800 --> 0:32:04.520
<v Speaker 1>tenured president of baseball ops in Major League Baseball are

0:32:05.120 --> 0:32:08.280
<v Speaker 1>Brian Cashman, who's had twenty eight years of employment. He's

0:32:08.280 --> 0:32:11.160
<v Speaker 1>made the playoffs twenty three times, four World Series and

0:32:11.200 --> 0:32:14.160
<v Speaker 1>seven penance and by the way, Yankees fan still don't

0:32:14.240 --> 0:32:17.880
<v Speaker 1>like Brian Cashman. R read that again twenty eight years,

0:32:17.920 --> 0:32:21.080
<v Speaker 1>playoffs twenty three times, four World Series, seven penance, and

0:32:21.200 --> 0:32:25.480
<v Speaker 1>Yankees fans still call for that guy's job constantly. Yes,

0:32:26.200 --> 0:32:29.640
<v Speaker 1>that's him AJ Preller, who is a lightning rod in

0:32:29.680 --> 0:32:32.080
<v Speaker 1>his own right. He is very polarizing. He is a

0:32:32.440 --> 0:32:36.600
<v Speaker 1>very very video game fantasy baseball type GM. He just

0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:39.680
<v Speaker 1>is because like he just does crazy things. He doesn't

0:32:39.720 --> 0:32:45.160
<v Speaker 1>operate like anybody else. But AJ Preller twelve years, four

0:32:45.200 --> 0:32:48.880
<v Speaker 1>playoff appearances, no World Series, no penance, and people still,

0:32:49.760 --> 0:32:51.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, often wonder if A J. Preller's jobs in

0:32:51.760 --> 0:32:54.160
<v Speaker 1>jeopardy right, But he's been there twelve years and has

0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:57.120
<v Speaker 1>made the playoffs four times. Then you get to Mark

0:32:57.160 --> 0:33:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Shapiro of the Blue Jays, who, by the way, is

0:33:00.160 --> 0:33:02.760
<v Speaker 1>more it's like the president of the team. Now. I'm

0:33:02.760 --> 0:33:07.520
<v Speaker 1>sure he's still involved with baseball, but the way Toronto's

0:33:08.400 --> 0:33:12.040
<v Speaker 1>leadership is structured is different where Shapiro's got a bit

0:33:12.080 --> 0:33:13.760
<v Speaker 1>of a different role. Now, if I have that right,

0:33:14.960 --> 0:33:15.880
<v Speaker 1>I believe.

0:33:16.360 --> 0:33:19.160
<v Speaker 2>Probably the wrong people to be talk about that. We

0:33:19.200 --> 0:33:21.840
<v Speaker 2>maybe should ask our friends at Gate fourteen what exactly

0:33:21.880 --> 0:33:25.000
<v Speaker 2>the breakdown and responsibilities and a Blue Jay's front office

0:33:25.120 --> 0:33:26.520
<v Speaker 2>is right, but at the very.

0:33:26.520 --> 0:33:29.120
<v Speaker 1>Least, he's obviously not the GM, it's Ross Atkins. But

0:33:29.320 --> 0:33:31.160
<v Speaker 1>if you want to talk about Shapiro, who is in

0:33:31.240 --> 0:33:34.160
<v Speaker 1>a higher up role from a GM at this point,

0:33:34.640 --> 0:33:41.320
<v Speaker 1>eleven years, five playoff appearances, no world series titles, one pennant, so.

0:33:41.560 --> 0:33:44.960
<v Speaker 2>Right, and very nearly had one last year right.

0:33:45.600 --> 0:33:49.880
<v Speaker 1>Out's away Miguel Rojas Homer away. Eleven years, five playoffs,

0:33:49.880 --> 0:33:52.400
<v Speaker 1>so half nearly half the time they've made the playoffs

0:33:53.040 --> 0:33:55.680
<v Speaker 1>and in fourth or tied for third, I should say out.

0:33:55.720 --> 0:33:59.680
<v Speaker 1>Also at eleven years Jared, Yeah, tied for fourth. Also

0:33:59.680 --> 0:34:01.880
<v Speaker 1>at eleven years, Jerry, Oh my god, I can't even talk.

0:34:01.960 --> 0:34:06.800
<v Speaker 1>Not tied for fourth, tied for third Jerry Depoto eleven years,

0:34:07.200 --> 0:34:10.880
<v Speaker 1>two playoff appearances, no world series titles, no penance.

0:34:12.280 --> 0:34:14.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I want to fall up with a couple

0:34:14.440 --> 0:34:18.239
<v Speaker 2>other things. Jage tweeted, because he's when Jage gets on one,

0:34:18.320 --> 0:34:20.800
<v Speaker 2>I think he is really really I think he's spot

0:34:20.840 --> 0:34:24.960
<v Speaker 2>on with a lot of this stuff, like you can

0:34:25.040 --> 0:34:29.920
<v Speaker 2>always look at you can always look at like prospect

0:34:30.000 --> 0:34:32.680
<v Speaker 2>rankings as the health of an organization, and clearly those

0:34:32.719 --> 0:34:36.200
<v Speaker 2>are valuable, but if those don't translate to the thing

0:34:36.200 --> 0:34:40.360
<v Speaker 2>that ultimately matters, which is winning your division, winning the Pennant,

0:34:40.400 --> 0:34:43.560
<v Speaker 2>and winning a World Series, then what's the point. You

0:34:43.600 --> 0:34:45.920
<v Speaker 2>could always have a good farm system, but if you

0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:48.920
<v Speaker 2>don't win jack shit, then it does not matter.

0:34:49.920 --> 0:34:53.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's exactly what Jage said. He said the following

0:34:53.000 --> 0:34:59.120
<v Speaker 1>in another tweet, he said, Fangrafts Baseball America MLB farm

0:34:59.160 --> 0:35:02.879
<v Speaker 1>system rankings don't mean shit. Banners do. And this front

0:35:02.880 --> 0:35:05.560
<v Speaker 1>office has one meaningful banner in ten plus years.

0:35:06.040 --> 0:35:08.040
<v Speaker 2>Right, it's not wrong. And then to summarize it, I

0:35:08.080 --> 0:35:11.520
<v Speaker 2>think he summarizes perfectly right below that it says, whatever

0:35:11.560 --> 0:35:14.560
<v Speaker 2>you decide you're gonna do with your coaching staff, is

0:35:14.600 --> 0:35:16.839
<v Speaker 2>this gonna Is this gonna help the team better? If

0:35:16.840 --> 0:35:18.960
<v Speaker 2>you're firing the hitting coach, firing the manager, or getting

0:35:19.000 --> 0:35:20.479
<v Speaker 2>rid of someone in the front office, Is it gonna

0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:23.000
<v Speaker 2>help the team hit better? Who knows? But you know

0:35:23.040 --> 0:35:26.239
<v Speaker 2>what won't help that doing the same thing that you've

0:35:26.280 --> 0:35:28.040
<v Speaker 2>currently been doing for the next seven weeks.

0:35:29.000 --> 0:35:33.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because it's clear this is not working. Like you said,

0:35:33.440 --> 0:35:35.920
<v Speaker 1>nothing at the trade deadline was really gonna alter the

0:35:35.960 --> 0:35:40.719
<v Speaker 1>reality of this team. Taylor Ward seems fine. I mean,

0:35:40.760 --> 0:35:43.640
<v Speaker 1>he squared up a ball nicely here on Sunday tripled

0:35:43.640 --> 0:35:48.080
<v Speaker 1>earlier in the game. But sure, Anthony Domingez hasn't looked

0:35:48.080 --> 0:35:50.719
<v Speaker 1>all that sharp obviously, and that's it. That's all you

0:35:50.760 --> 0:35:52.640
<v Speaker 1>have to your new roster, right.

0:35:54.040 --> 0:35:57.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm just frustrated, man, I'm frustrated. I'm a little depressed

0:35:57.360 --> 0:36:01.920
<v Speaker 2>at this point that this season has gone down the toilet.

0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:05.160
<v Speaker 2>And I know I'm gonna hear someone in the Mariners

0:36:05.200 --> 0:36:08.440
<v Speaker 2>talk about twenty twenty seven as a reason to not

0:36:08.920 --> 0:36:13.279
<v Speaker 2>try and make their team better in desperation. Uh and

0:36:13.480 --> 0:36:15.759
<v Speaker 2>within this week, and it's gonna piss me off.

0:36:16.320 --> 0:36:19.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh because it's oh, oh, sorry, twenty twenty seven. You

0:36:19.400 --> 0:36:20.960
<v Speaker 1>mean the year there's gonna.

0:36:20.760 --> 0:36:25.160
<v Speaker 2>Be a lockout, correct, right? Because at some point Mariners

0:36:25.239 --> 0:36:30.680
<v Speaker 2>fans can't keep getting told next year. We can't start

0:36:30.719 --> 0:36:32.880
<v Speaker 2>the season with World Series and end the season with

0:36:32.960 --> 0:36:39.160
<v Speaker 2>next year anymore. I'm done. Yes, the team needs, the

0:36:39.160 --> 0:36:40.400
<v Speaker 2>team needs to operate like that.

0:36:41.719 --> 0:36:46.440
<v Speaker 1>Facts, it's been way, way, way too long of asking

0:36:46.440 --> 0:36:50.080
<v Speaker 1>fans to wait around fifty years is way too long

0:36:50.320 --> 0:36:54.799
<v Speaker 1>for any fan base, any franchise, any sport. And you've

0:36:54.920 --> 0:36:59.160
<v Speaker 1>never made the World Series. The New York Jets might

0:36:59.200 --> 0:37:02.240
<v Speaker 1>be the most inep franchise in all of sports. Once

0:37:02.320 --> 0:37:04.640
<v Speaker 1>upon a time. It's hard to believe. I know, the

0:37:04.719 --> 0:37:08.840
<v Speaker 1>Jets won a Super Bowl. The Mariners are still honoring

0:37:08.880 --> 0:37:13.120
<v Speaker 1>a season where they lost in the semi finals. Yeah,

0:37:13.200 --> 0:37:16.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean, look, the fiftieth weekend was great. It was

0:37:16.680 --> 0:37:19.000
<v Speaker 1>It was very cool. The marketing team crushed it. The

0:37:19.040 --> 0:37:21.400
<v Speaker 1>people on the business side of the Mariners crushed that

0:37:21.440 --> 0:37:25.400
<v Speaker 1>whole weekend. But when the biggest thing you have to

0:37:25.440 --> 0:37:28.120
<v Speaker 1>hang your hat on is a season thirty years later

0:37:28.520 --> 0:37:32.920
<v Speaker 1>where you lost in the ALCS in six games, what

0:37:32.960 --> 0:37:36.080
<v Speaker 1>are we doing? There are franchises that don't still do

0:37:36.200 --> 0:37:40.120
<v Speaker 1>World Series promotional nights. Thirty years later, we're still talking

0:37:40.120 --> 0:37:45.600
<v Speaker 1>about ALCS. Fifty years is far too long.

0:37:47.480 --> 0:37:49.800
<v Speaker 2>And I don't want to hear anyone reference nineteen ninety

0:37:49.800 --> 0:37:52.080
<v Speaker 2>five as a reason this team's going to turn it around.

0:37:52.239 --> 0:37:55.760
<v Speaker 2>I just don't want to hear it. I don't whether

0:37:56.000 --> 0:37:57.200
<v Speaker 2>you're talking to with that.

0:37:57.600 --> 0:38:00.239
<v Speaker 1>Isn't it a little bit? Isn't it a little little

0:38:00.280 --> 0:38:03.239
<v Speaker 1>bit of a unique time to be telling a man

0:38:03.280 --> 0:38:06.320
<v Speaker 1>and Rick Rez who just got inducted into the Maridith

0:38:06.400 --> 0:38:06.759
<v Speaker 1>Hall of Fame.

0:38:07.280 --> 0:38:10.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm not even trying to take personal shots, but like,

0:38:10.040 --> 0:38:15.600
<v Speaker 2>like again, like you can be like a beacon of positivity.

0:38:15.760 --> 0:38:19.160
<v Speaker 2>But like, like I'm I'm not alone on this island.

0:38:19.640 --> 0:38:21.359
<v Speaker 1>I know you're not because I'm in the same boat

0:38:21.400 --> 0:38:23.800
<v Speaker 1>as you. I'm just laughing at hearing you say it.

0:38:23.800 --> 0:38:27.959
<v Speaker 2>It just it just can't be. It cannot be. At

0:38:28.000 --> 0:38:31.719
<v Speaker 2>some point the money that the fans invest into this

0:38:31.800 --> 0:38:33.040
<v Speaker 2>team needs to pay off.

0:38:34.600 --> 0:38:36.480
<v Speaker 1>Well in fifty seasons, it has.

0:38:36.360 --> 0:38:40.680
<v Speaker 2>Not correct at some point, and I'm tired of getting

0:38:40.680 --> 0:38:44.520
<v Speaker 2>on here, especially this season. It seems like every Sunday

0:38:44.800 --> 0:38:49.080
<v Speaker 2>and we're so downer, and we're so negative about this team,

0:38:49.600 --> 0:38:51.600
<v Speaker 2>and then we have people ask us why we're being

0:38:51.640 --> 0:38:54.520
<v Speaker 2>so negative about the team. Why don't we cheer up?

0:38:54.560 --> 0:38:58.239
<v Speaker 2>Why aren't we more optimistic? Well, I just want a

0:38:58.280 --> 0:39:00.880
<v Speaker 2>reason to be. Last year gave us a great reason

0:39:00.960 --> 0:39:04.600
<v Speaker 2>to be. Things worked great, but then we get the

0:39:04.600 --> 0:39:07.080
<v Speaker 2>total other side of the coin this year. And the

0:39:07.080 --> 0:39:10.680
<v Speaker 2>Mariners last year, by the way, took drastic steps to

0:39:10.719 --> 0:39:14.799
<v Speaker 2>make that happen, to make that team what it was.

0:39:15.640 --> 0:39:18.280
<v Speaker 2>They were willing to do things they hadn't done before

0:39:18.760 --> 0:39:24.440
<v Speaker 2>to make that happen. I'd love for the same thing

0:39:24.480 --> 0:39:26.360
<v Speaker 2>to happen this year, but unfortunately it's gonna have to

0:39:26.400 --> 0:39:27.400
<v Speaker 2>be in the opposite direction.

0:39:28.920 --> 0:39:30.799
<v Speaker 1>People should go back and look at all the things

0:39:30.840 --> 0:39:34.040
<v Speaker 1>we were talking about in posting last October. For anybody

0:39:34.040 --> 0:39:37.960
<v Speaker 1>that says we'll try being optimistic, TJ did multiple videos

0:39:38.040 --> 0:39:40.239
<v Speaker 1>last year during the playoffs when the Mariners got to

0:39:40.280 --> 0:39:43.040
<v Speaker 1>Game five against the Tigers and Game seven against the

0:39:43.040 --> 0:39:45.359
<v Speaker 1>Blue Jays, and he's like, the Mariners season is not

0:39:45.440 --> 0:39:48.040
<v Speaker 1>allowed to end tonight, and he highlights every reason why

0:39:48.080 --> 0:39:50.799
<v Speaker 1>this can't end here. It worked once, It didn't work

0:39:50.840 --> 0:39:53.120
<v Speaker 1>the second time because Dan Wilson decided to blow the

0:39:53.160 --> 0:39:56.200
<v Speaker 1>season by not putting Munno's in the game. But TJ

0:39:56.440 --> 0:39:59.680
<v Speaker 1>made two separate videos on that, And those are just

0:39:59.719 --> 0:40:03.279
<v Speaker 1>two of hundreds of optimistic videos we did around the

0:40:03.280 --> 0:40:06.400
<v Speaker 1>postseason and around August and September and on when they

0:40:06.400 --> 0:40:09.719
<v Speaker 1>were just lighting it up. Like when the team plays well,

0:40:09.800 --> 0:40:12.279
<v Speaker 1>nobody's more optimistic than us. But we're not gonna sit

0:40:12.320 --> 0:40:15.240
<v Speaker 1>here and tell you well, like you just gotta believe

0:40:15.320 --> 0:40:17.480
<v Speaker 1>these guys will figure it out. You gotta remember in

0:40:17.560 --> 0:40:20.880
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety five when they were fourteen games back, like

0:40:21.719 --> 0:40:24.200
<v Speaker 1>no man, like this has been one of the worst

0:40:24.200 --> 0:40:27.760
<v Speaker 1>offenses in baseball all year. This team doesn't play good defense.

0:40:28.320 --> 0:40:33.280
<v Speaker 1>The manager makes blunders at every turn. The fundamental baseball

0:40:33.400 --> 0:40:36.640
<v Speaker 1>is awful. The bullpen's had problem. You couldn't make sound

0:40:36.640 --> 0:40:39.480
<v Speaker 1>decisions on your rotation all year. You didn't do enough

0:40:39.520 --> 0:40:43.120
<v Speaker 1>at the trade deadline. We're not gonna sit here and

0:40:43.520 --> 0:40:46.480
<v Speaker 1>pull the wall over people's eyes. Everything I just highlighted

0:40:46.480 --> 0:40:47.680
<v Speaker 1>out has happened this year.

0:40:49.320 --> 0:40:52.399
<v Speaker 2>No one like we benefit from the team being good

0:40:52.440 --> 0:40:55.080
<v Speaker 2>as much as everyone else. We have no reason to

0:40:55.160 --> 0:40:57.239
<v Speaker 2>want the team to be bad or to play bad.

0:40:58.360 --> 0:41:00.839
<v Speaker 2>But that's that's just how it sounds now because that's

0:41:00.880 --> 0:41:04.440
<v Speaker 2>what the team has given us. And they're staring down

0:41:04.480 --> 0:41:06.200
<v Speaker 2>the barrel of a stretch that I don't think they're

0:41:06.200 --> 0:41:09.359
<v Speaker 2>going to get through. And if they still care about

0:41:09.360 --> 0:41:13.000
<v Speaker 2>this season, then they got to change something. So they

0:41:13.760 --> 0:41:17.239
<v Speaker 2>need to do something because what's currently happening on this

0:41:17.320 --> 0:41:20.560
<v Speaker 2>team does not work, and they've proven to us over

0:41:20.640 --> 0:41:21.760
<v Speaker 2>and over again that it doesn't.

0:41:22.560 --> 0:41:26.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and by the way, just to start with this

0:41:26.200 --> 0:41:29.560
<v Speaker 1>series in New York, the Mariners get two lefties, including

0:41:29.600 --> 0:41:32.840
<v Speaker 1>Max Screed in the finale. Now you miss Schlitzler and

0:41:32.880 --> 0:41:34.799
<v Speaker 1>Cole if you want to look glass half full, but

0:41:35.400 --> 0:41:37.760
<v Speaker 1>glass half MD is you get two lefties including Max

0:41:37.760 --> 0:41:40.480
<v Speaker 1>Freed in New York where the Mariners have not played well,

0:41:41.200 --> 0:41:44.160
<v Speaker 1>and Brian wu is going to start the first game

0:41:44.280 --> 0:41:46.959
<v Speaker 1>and we unfortunately know how his road outings have gone

0:41:46.960 --> 0:41:47.359
<v Speaker 1>this year.

0:41:48.320 --> 0:41:50.040
<v Speaker 2>They've won one series in New York in like the

0:41:50.120 --> 0:41:51.280
<v Speaker 2>last twenty years.

0:41:51.800 --> 0:41:54.680
<v Speaker 1>Yep, they haven't won a series in Boston and forever.

0:41:55.239 --> 0:41:57.520
<v Speaker 1>And like we said on Friday with Tyan Colby, they're

0:41:57.520 --> 0:41:59.960
<v Speaker 1>probably getting missed in the Brewers series if everything's shake

0:42:00.200 --> 0:42:07.080
<v Speaker 1>out to how it's supposed tough. Yeah, we're not going

0:42:07.120 --> 0:42:08.960
<v Speaker 1>to go an hour today. There's just there's just not

0:42:09.120 --> 0:42:12.799
<v Speaker 1>enough to keep going down the rabbit hole about. There's

0:42:12.840 --> 0:42:15.879
<v Speaker 1>just not like this is where we're at. We don't

0:42:15.880 --> 0:42:18.600
<v Speaker 1>want to. We don't want to. Yeah, everybody's tired. We

0:42:18.600 --> 0:42:22.200
<v Speaker 1>don't want to force anybody into more dragged out Mariners

0:42:22.239 --> 0:42:25.640
<v Speaker 1>talk with the state of this current team. But yeah,

0:42:26.160 --> 0:42:28.520
<v Speaker 1>this is this is where we're at. This is the

0:42:28.760 --> 0:42:30.719
<v Speaker 1>this is the reality. We wish we were sitting here

0:42:30.719 --> 0:42:33.280
<v Speaker 1>being positive, but we're sitting here talking about the reality

0:42:33.320 --> 0:42:35.000
<v Speaker 1>because that's what we do. We're realists.

0:42:35.880 --> 0:42:37.600
<v Speaker 2>And we'll see how much we have to talk about

0:42:37.920 --> 0:42:40.719
<v Speaker 2>at our podcast taping on Tuesday at queen Ane Beer Hole.

0:42:40.760 --> 0:42:42.680
<v Speaker 2>Maybe we'll have a lot to talk about, or maybe

0:42:43.040 --> 0:42:45.759
<v Speaker 2>we'll just be more of the same, but come through

0:42:45.800 --> 0:42:46.279
<v Speaker 2>to find out.

0:42:46.840 --> 0:42:49.560
<v Speaker 1>We'd still love to hang out with you guys. Season aside,

0:42:49.719 --> 0:42:52.000
<v Speaker 1>we always love to talk baseball with people. We saw

0:42:52.080 --> 0:42:53.880
<v Speaker 1>so many people at the ballpark this weekend, which is

0:42:53.920 --> 0:42:56.520
<v Speaker 1>always a blast. We always see people at the events,

0:42:56.560 --> 0:42:58.759
<v Speaker 1>which is great. Like, we love to come and hang

0:42:58.760 --> 0:43:00.799
<v Speaker 1>out with you guys this we So if you're around

0:43:00.840 --> 0:43:04.440
<v Speaker 1>Tuesday night about seven pm, come on out to Queen

0:43:04.440 --> 0:43:06.359
<v Speaker 1>anber Hall will be there even a little before seven

0:43:06.360 --> 0:43:09.080
<v Speaker 1>because we'll be watching a bit of the game, probably

0:43:09.080 --> 0:43:11.720
<v Speaker 1>like the latter half of the game, and also setting

0:43:11.800 --> 0:43:14.399
<v Speaker 1>up too, So you want to come out, come on out.

0:43:14.440 --> 0:43:16.640
<v Speaker 1>We'd love to see you guys, seriously, and that's real.

0:43:17.160 --> 0:43:19.560
<v Speaker 1>I will say one final thing before we wrap this up,

0:43:20.719 --> 0:43:22.799
<v Speaker 1>because we've spent a lot of time talking about it.

0:43:23.480 --> 0:43:27.080
<v Speaker 1>Shout out to every Mariners fan or just about every

0:43:27.080 --> 0:43:30.239
<v Speaker 1>Mariners fan in the building on Saturday night who gave

0:43:30.280 --> 0:43:34.600
<v Speaker 1>a rod the recognition that he one hundred percent deserved.

0:43:34.840 --> 0:43:38.680
<v Speaker 1>Were there a few booze, Yeah, can't please everybody that

0:43:38.840 --> 0:43:41.880
<v Speaker 1>was ninety five percent cheers for Alex Rodriguez, and that

0:43:42.040 --> 0:43:43.960
<v Speaker 1>my friends, is how it should be.

0:43:45.239 --> 0:43:47.200
<v Speaker 2>It was one of the louder ovations too, among the

0:43:47.280 --> 0:43:52.719
<v Speaker 2>guys who came out, like of the of the dugouts,

0:43:52.760 --> 0:43:56.480
<v Speaker 2>essentially like he got among the loudest ovation. Then they

0:43:56.480 --> 0:43:59.000
<v Speaker 2>had the four Hall of Famers come in from center field, which,

0:43:59.160 --> 0:44:03.040
<v Speaker 2>as expected, go the biggest round of applause. But among

0:44:03.120 --> 0:44:06.120
<v Speaker 2>the guys who came in before that, I mean, a

0:44:06.280 --> 0:44:08.759
<v Speaker 2>Rod got a pretty loud ovation. I was I was

0:44:08.800 --> 0:44:11.160
<v Speaker 2>pretty happy to see that, and good on him. He came,

0:44:11.239 --> 0:44:15.120
<v Speaker 2>he showed up, he was there, and thank goodness.

0:44:15.520 --> 0:44:18.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Mayor's Hall of Fame. Next, that's the next step.

0:44:19.040 --> 0:44:23.640
<v Speaker 2>Maybe I meant, Look, it's the first step back into

0:44:23.920 --> 0:44:26.600
<v Speaker 2>recognition by an organization. They deemed him one of the

0:44:26.600 --> 0:44:30.160
<v Speaker 2>thirty fifty greatest Mariners, and now that connection is back.

0:44:30.200 --> 0:44:33.719
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's impossible. No, it's probably way later

0:44:33.800 --> 0:44:37.040
<v Speaker 2>than it should but I don't think it's impossible, you know.

0:44:37.120 --> 0:44:39.600
<v Speaker 1>What, better late than ever. It is way later than

0:44:39.600 --> 0:44:43.200
<v Speaker 1>it should have been, but it seems like enough times

0:44:43.239 --> 0:44:46.000
<v Speaker 1>pass where enough fans can really just let bygones be

0:44:46.000 --> 0:44:48.239
<v Speaker 1>bygones and remember the good stuff. I don't know if

0:44:48.280 --> 0:44:51.080
<v Speaker 1>all the public conversation about the a Rod stuff helped.

0:44:51.280 --> 0:44:52.960
<v Speaker 1>I'd like to think it helped a little bit from

0:44:53.000 --> 0:44:54.640
<v Speaker 1>all the people, not just us, but there were other

0:44:54.640 --> 0:44:57.759
<v Speaker 1>people talking about Yeah, man like cheer for a Rod

0:44:58.560 --> 0:45:01.120
<v Speaker 1>and people say you have gotten the message because that

0:45:01.200 --> 0:45:03.600
<v Speaker 1>was a very very cool ovation that he got. And

0:45:03.600 --> 0:45:07.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad it was not boo birds and fake money

0:45:07.440 --> 0:45:10.640
<v Speaker 1>being thrown again like it was, no, we remember the

0:45:10.640 --> 0:45:13.840
<v Speaker 1>good years of a Rod. That was cool because again,

0:45:13.880 --> 0:45:16.719
<v Speaker 1>at his peak, he may be the greatest player that's

0:45:16.760 --> 0:45:19.120
<v Speaker 1>ever put on this jersey. You can argue, like not

0:45:19.560 --> 0:45:21.319
<v Speaker 1>career as a whole, he wasn't here as long as

0:45:21.360 --> 0:45:26.960
<v Speaker 1>the Mariners Hall of Famers, but peak, there's a real

0:45:27.080 --> 0:45:28.560
<v Speaker 1>argument he's the best player to ever put on a

0:45:28.560 --> 0:45:31.920
<v Speaker 1>Mariners jersey. So I'm very glad he got the recognition.

0:45:32.440 --> 0:45:34.640
<v Speaker 1>Shout out Arod. This is the pro Arod podcast, as

0:45:34.640 --> 0:45:38.440
<v Speaker 1>you guys know by now. So yeah, all right, that

0:45:38.560 --> 0:45:41.000
<v Speaker 1>just about wraps up this edition of the Marine Layer podcast.

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