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Speaker 2: Well in to episode number four, forty one of the
Speaker 2: Marine Layer Podcast, The Mariners get swept by the Rays
Speaker 2: on fiftieth anniversary weekend, and well, I feel like the
Speaker 2: stories just right themselves.
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Speaker 2: Let's get it rolling, and we welcome you to this
Speaker 2: episode of the Marine Layer Podcast, part of the Just
Speaker 2: Baseball podcast network, recording here on Sunday evening, August ninth.
Speaker 2: I'm tired, lyle I'm tired of it?
Speaker 1: Mm hm, who is it is? Anybody still sitting there
Speaker 1: saying like this has been awesome? Everybody's tired of it?
Speaker 1: Everybody it It.
Speaker 2: Just keeps getting worse. You're telling me of all the
Speaker 2: things this week, Like you get into this scuffle with
Speaker 2: the Tigers, you have all these legends coming back into
Speaker 2: town to like give you like of the bits and
Speaker 2: pieces of Mariner's history that's been successful to try and
Speaker 2: take something from that and use it as fuel to
Speaker 2: have yourself play better and score more than four runs
Speaker 2: over the entire weekend. Like you would think you'd see something,
Speaker 2: but no, no, we didn't see anything.
Speaker 1: No, absolutely not. I mean, aside from an unbelievable Saturday
Speaker 1: night from Josh Naylor, there was no offense throughout the
Speaker 1: weekend and it was non existent. And it's just so
Speaker 1: on brand too, I mean. And here's the craziest part.
Speaker 1: I had a friend of ours text me over the
Speaker 1: weekend and he said, I am gonna remember this day
Speaker 1: against the I think, yeah, the Rays, right, No, no, no, no, yeah.
Speaker 1: He sent me a text on Friday night. He said,
Speaker 1: There's been a lot of bad games, but as an
Speaker 1: overall day, today will stick with me as potentially the
Speaker 1: end of our season physically and mentally. This is Friday
Speaker 1: after the loss against the Raids. I said to him, brother,
Speaker 1: it's gonna get worse, Like you have every right to
Speaker 1: feel that way, because they were playing terrible baseball up
Speaker 1: to that point, and they played terrible baseball the rest
Speaker 1: of the weekend. The meat of this August schedule hasn't
Speaker 1: even kicked in yet. This road trip hasn't started yet.
Speaker 1: They haven't gone and played the Yankees and the Bronx
Speaker 1: and the Brewers in Milwaukee and the Astros in Houston,
Speaker 1: who continue to win ball games, like the Raids are
Speaker 1: a really good team. They're the best team in the
Speaker 1: American League. But the true meat of this thing has
Speaker 1: not kicked in yet. There's seven games under five hundred,
Speaker 1: and we're talking about how it can and likely will
Speaker 1: get worse.
Speaker 2: The Astros win tonight and on Sunday Night baseball, the
Speaker 2: Mariners will be five games back in the worst division
Speaker 2: in baseball, three and a half games out of the
Speaker 2: playoff spot to bad teams in front of you. But
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter because at this point the Mariners are
Speaker 2: a bad team. They're right where they should be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're telling you that they're not a good
Speaker 1: baseball team. No, we're at the ninth of August recording this.
Speaker 1: They're not even a mediocre baseball team right now. They're
Speaker 1: a talented baseball team on paper who cannot put it
Speaker 1: together for a variety of different reasons. They cannot put
Speaker 1: this thing together, and they're proving to everybody that despite
Speaker 1: the ridiculously high preseason expectations, they're not a good baseball team.
Speaker 1: Like they're a talented team, but they're not a fundamentally
Speaker 1: sound successful ball club. Unless something drastic changes in the
Speaker 1: next few weeks, the story is going to remain that way.
Speaker 1: Unless the story changes here in the month of August
Speaker 1: and they really write this ship, they're telling you who
Speaker 1: they are, which is not a good baseball team.
Speaker 2: I don't even want to sit here and joke about
Speaker 2: the irony of the Mariners having their low point new
Speaker 2: low point of the first fifty low points of the
Speaker 2: seas in fifty seasons that they're having here in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty six was this weekend. But like ironically, the Mariners
Speaker 2: had a pretty fitting fiftieth anniversary weekend for this franchise,
Speaker 2: and it's unfortunate for all the hard working people who
Speaker 2: put together this amazing weekend. From a marketing perspective, I
Speaker 2: thought Saturday's celebration was super cool, getting to see all
Speaker 2: those names and those old highlights and Riz getting inducted
Speaker 2: into the or probably he's going to get inducted into
Speaker 2: the Mariners Hall of Fame next year, which will be
Speaker 2: super cool. That was all perfect, but unfortunately the play
Speaker 2: on the field perfectly encapsulates the Mariners franchise through fifty seasons,
Speaker 2: always letting you down, and he sucks. I wish I
Speaker 2: could say something different, because the marketing and the baseball
Speaker 2: are total two totally different things, and you try and
Speaker 2: do something super cool for the fans who clearly appreciated
Speaker 2: the celebration, but then the baseball is just flat and
Speaker 2: disappointing and very fitting for the Seattle Mariners.
Speaker 1: I mean, you said it in your social media reaction.
Speaker 1: It's always the fans left holding the bag, right.
Speaker 2: Every fans are the ones who have to keep showing
Speaker 2: up to the park and paying for tickets and buying
Speaker 2: TV subscriptions when there are these seasons where we're saying, hey,
Speaker 2: we're we got this, We're gonna we're gonna win the
Speaker 2: World Series, and at the end of the day, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm sure people in the Mariners organization are very frustrated
Speaker 2: and very mad, but at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: it is always the fans left holding that bag.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Like the players all get paid no matter what front office,
Speaker 2: they all get paid coaches, they all get paid owners,
Speaker 2: They make they've given the break a profit, which it's
Speaker 2: very profitable. It seems they all make money. The fans
Speaker 2: of the one are always the ones left holding the bag.
Speaker 2: And that's I think that's what's sunk in the most
Speaker 2: to me here on Sunday, as the Mariners are careering
Speaker 2: towards another loss on a just truly tragic homestand that
Speaker 2: they had against two non playoff teams and then one
Speaker 2: of the best teams in the American League, will they
Speaker 2: finish three and six? And they're stirring at a road
Speaker 2: trip where there really is no hope. There's none, I.
Speaker 1: Mean unless a legitimate miracle happens, unless Angels in the
Speaker 1: outfield is reincarnated with the twenty twenty six Seattle Mariners. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you can all see what's in front of you.
Speaker 1: And even more so to your point about fans holding
Speaker 1: the bag, not only in the current state are they
Speaker 1: holding the bag with Like you said, players get paid,
Speaker 1: coaches get paid billionaires or billionaires, and they keep turning
Speaker 1: profits well even as time goes on. Players retire, front
Speaker 1: office people off and retire or find new jobs. Coaches
Speaker 1: move on. Fans don't. You're just stuck here and in
Speaker 1: fifty seasons they have made the World Series zero times.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, well, actually surely they made it last year,
Speaker 1: right am? I is my mind blanking? They went to
Speaker 1: the World Series against the Dodgers last year.
Speaker 2: Right they did not?
Speaker 1: They didn't. No, I swore they did.
Speaker 2: No, No, No, I didn't.
Speaker 1: They I thought they I could have sworn they went
Speaker 1: to the World Series against the Dodgers.
Speaker 2: Now bizarre of came in and pitched.
Speaker 1: Oh right, Dan Wilson didn't put munos in the game
Speaker 1: in the seventh inning. Right, No, they didn't go to
Speaker 1: the World Series. So fifty seasons no World.
Speaker 2: Series, right yeah, And the fans are left here having
Speaker 2: to show up again next season when everyone says, Okay,
Speaker 2: I know this season's bad, just wait for next year.
Speaker 2: But like some of us are just tired, tired of
Speaker 2: next season. And we'll continue this conversation later on. There's
Speaker 2: a larger point to all of this that we brought
Speaker 2: up over and over again, and it's gonna come back
Speaker 2: up as the Mariner's head on a road and the
Speaker 2: fact there's an off day tomorrow.
Speaker 1: But like.
Speaker 2: Going forward, the Mariners are gonna need to answer the
Speaker 2: question like they bought at the deadline, not a hard buy,
Speaker 2: but they bought. Is twenty twenty six still the season
Speaker 2: where you could make the playoffs? Or is the season over?
Speaker 2: I think Tuesday's gonna tell us that by the time
Speaker 2: they get to Tuesday, has anything changed. And when I
Speaker 2: say anything, I mean literally anything. It can be whatever,
Speaker 2: whatever you think might change the Mariner's trajectory going forward.
Speaker 2: If they get to Tuesday and nothing has changed, then
Speaker 2: I think to me that signals there's no belief in
Speaker 2: this team. M hm, well, the team might spin it, Hey,
Speaker 2: that means we believe in our guys a lot. I
Speaker 2: actually think it means the exact opposite, that this team
Speaker 2: is not worth changing anything.
Speaker 1: Further, for sure, totally fair. By the way, we'll get
Speaker 1: into some potential changes that they could go through. But
Speaker 1: while we're sitting here, before we do that, if you're
Speaker 1: watching on YouTube, drop a comment what you think some
Speaker 1: action moves could be. And if you're listening, send us
Speaker 1: a DM like what do you think the Mariners could
Speaker 1: or should do in the next forty eight hours and
Speaker 1: take some action? Right?
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Speaker 2: talk about any more. Lyle about why is this part
Speaker 2: of the roster underperforming? Why is this part of the
Speaker 2: roster underperforming? Why is Dan Wilson underperforming. Why are the
Speaker 2: hitting coaches underperforming? Why are Jerry and Justin underperforming? There's
Speaker 2: no more why, it's how are the Mariners going to
Speaker 2: fix this? If they still believe the twenty twenty six
Speaker 2: season season is salvagable. So if they get to New
Speaker 2: York on Tuesday and nothing else has changed, then to me,
Speaker 2: that signals a white flag on the season, because not
Speaker 2: changing anything, I believe rights the destiny of this team
Speaker 2: is missing the playoffs and that they'll end August ten
Speaker 2: to fifteen games below five hundred, that not even a
Speaker 2: soft September schedule can save for them. So the only
Speaker 2: way that is not the case is if they change
Speaker 2: something by Tuesday. Is that fair?
Speaker 1: I think it's totally fair. But for the people who
Speaker 1: might want a further elaboration, why did this home series
Speaker 1: doing in for you? Where you say now you have
Speaker 1: to make an action move or it's done. I don't
Speaker 1: think you're wrong. I just think it would be interesting
Speaker 1: to hear your elaborate on.
Speaker 2: It, because you're staring down the barrel of a one
Speaker 2: in eight or two and seven road trip. If you
Speaker 2: don't m h, I mean season's over if you do.
Speaker 1: That, right, I mean We're already on the brink of it.
Speaker 1: We joked season over all the time, we are actually
Speaker 1: on the brink of it right now. They go and
Speaker 1: get boat raced on this road trip. You're not coming
Speaker 1: back from that.
Speaker 2: If you get if you go two and seven on
Speaker 2: this road trip, meaning like you win, you win one
Speaker 2: of three and two of the series and gets swept
Speaker 2: in another one, that puts you twelve games below five
Speaker 2: hundred with what a week and a half left to
Speaker 2: go in August? Yeah, how are you coming back from that?
Speaker 1: So that would be how many games? Because as we
Speaker 1: sit here today, as the Mariners lost, the Mariners sit
Speaker 1: it sixty three and fifty six, So that is one
Speaker 1: hundred and nine games into the year. Nine more games
Speaker 1: is one hundred and eighteen, so remaining, you would have
Speaker 1: forty four games left on your schedule, and you would
Speaker 1: be what nine games under five hundred? Ten No, no, no,
Speaker 1: because there's six under right now or seven or seven hunder.
Speaker 1: So if you go two and seven on this road trip,
Speaker 1: you're twelve under with forty four games to go. I mean,
Speaker 1: how in the world do you dig yourselves out of that?
Speaker 1: You would have to go? I don't know. You'd have
Speaker 1: to win thirty five of your final forty four, and
Speaker 1: you'd still have the Cubs and the Phillies and the
Speaker 1: Red Sox left, and you still have the Astros in
Speaker 1: another series in September.
Speaker 2: Yep, exactly exactly, so like you cannot get to Tuesday
Speaker 2: if you still believe twenty twenty six is salvagable with
Speaker 2: everything intact, coaches, players and front office like all of them.
Speaker 2: People get pissed when you start asking if change is possible,
Speaker 2: But I'm not sure if what else is possible at
Speaker 2: this point that the Mariners care about the outcome of
Speaker 2: this twenty twenty sixth season. Keeping it the same clearly
Speaker 2: has not worked. People have said for weeks, just got
Speaker 2: to believe, just gotta believe, just gotta believe. Alvin Davis
Speaker 2: this week and said, just gotta believe. That's not right.
Speaker 2: It's not right anymore. It's not and it's really unfair
Speaker 2: to the fans to just keep telling them to believe. Well,
Speaker 2: everything else says the opposite. You keep telling everyone to believe,
Speaker 2: and then you end August fifteen games below five hundred,
Speaker 2: insulting to fans.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, of course it is. And Alvin Davis is
Speaker 1: the ultimate nice guy, raw ra guy. Of course he's
Speaker 1: gonna try and fire people up. I don't try Alvin
Speaker 1: for doing that. I know you don't either. But when
Speaker 1: that can't even get you going, and the scuffle with
Speaker 1: the Tigers can't get you go, and the trade deadline
Speaker 1: can't get you going, I don't know what's going to
Speaker 1: So let me follow up on this again. I don't
Speaker 1: think you're wrong when you say that action needs to
Speaker 1: be taken in some form of another before they start
Speaker 1: Game one in New York on Tuesday. The only thing
Speaker 1: I'll say is, if there's action taken, does it change anything,
Speaker 1: because I think we're still in the same boat of
Speaker 1: if your stars continue to play like this, I don't
Speaker 1: know if anything matters.
Speaker 2: That's totally right. But if it all comes back to
Speaker 2: if you still believe you can win in twenty twenty six,
Speaker 2: which given the state of the American League, anything is possible.
Speaker 2: But here's one thing. You do know what you currently
Speaker 2: have does not work right, That's true. Yeah, so you
Speaker 2: can't keep doing the same thing. You cannot, even if
Speaker 2: it's not logical. Even if going into this weekend you
Speaker 2: didn't think something like that would make sense. You have
Speaker 2: to try something because if not, you're telling us that
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six doesn't matter anymore, and you need to
Speaker 2: start focusing on twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 1: If people want to look Last Half full, because I
Speaker 1: know this is for every good reason been a very,
Speaker 1: very down in the dumps negative podcast, and has to
Speaker 1: be with how they've played to this point in the year,
Speaker 1: and it has to be with how they played this weekend.
Speaker 1: But if you want to look Last Half fall, and
Speaker 1: if you want to jump on TJ's back and get
Speaker 1: on board with his take, which is totally valid in
Speaker 1: the sense of serious action, needs to be taken in
Speaker 1: some form before Tuesday's game. If you want to try
Speaker 1: to write the ship of this season, there are small
Speaker 1: little signs that your stars are starting to come out
Speaker 1: of this a little bit. Well cal I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: that's that feels like a whole different rabbit hole to
Speaker 1: dive into, I mean dive down. And I don't know
Speaker 1: if his season is salvageable at this point. I mean,
Speaker 1: it continues to just look brutal. But if you want
Speaker 1: to look elsewhere, Julio's last seven to ten games, he's
Speaker 1: starting to do the August Julio thing a little bit.
Speaker 1: Julio's last seven games he's opsing ten forty eight and
Speaker 1: hitting three sixty. Like you're starting to see Julio really
Speaker 1: lock in. Josh Naylor's last fifteen games were things buoyed
Speaker 1: a little bit by his great game on Saturday. Sure,
Speaker 1: but his last fifteen games he's hitting two seventy eight
Speaker 1: and his ops is over eight hundred. So if you
Speaker 1: want to jump on board with TJ's take and say
Speaker 1: this season is still salvageable if they try to change
Speaker 1: some things around here, and you believe that, oh maybe
Speaker 1: maybe Julio and Naylor are starting to break out of
Speaker 1: this thing and they can lead the charge and they
Speaker 1: can get this whole thing going along with Randy, along
Speaker 1: with Dom, along with Cole Young. Then yet you do
Speaker 1: have to do something right now, because this is the
Speaker 1: breaking point of the season where if you don't fix
Speaker 1: it now, it's done. You come back from this road
Speaker 1: trip two and seven, Hell, you come back three and six,
Speaker 1: you're probably done because right now you're seven games under.
Speaker 1: If you lose three more games aground on this road
Speaker 1: trip against teams that you are not going to be
Speaker 1: favored against You're talking ten under with forty four games left. Man,
Speaker 1: that is a rabbit hole. I mean that is a
Speaker 1: big hole to climb out of.
Speaker 2: Even with Julio and Naylor turning things around while they're
Speaker 2: not scoring right, even with.
Speaker 1: That, I'm trying to get people some little glass half
Speaker 1: fall perspective of can your stars start to drive this?
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I'm not sitting here believing I know
Speaker 1: what's coming up in August. We've talked about this, but
Speaker 1: if people want to try and look lass half fall,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to give them a reason to do so,
Speaker 1: which is Julio Naylor are starting to show some signs
Speaker 1: of life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, sure, but the cold hard facts are that
Speaker 2: even with that, even with those guys starting to heat up.
Speaker 2: I mean, Naylor for the last month has been getting
Speaker 2: on base and hitting totally fine. There's just been no power.
Speaker 2: And yet Julio's recent week week plus has been good.
Speaker 2: If you go back like two weeks, the Mariners are
Speaker 2: twenty ninth in baseball and runs score only the Angels
Speaker 2: are worse. It just it's so hard to find any
Speaker 2: sort of glass half full thing with this team, and
Speaker 2: now they're going to go out on the road where
Speaker 2: they've really, really, really really struggled this season. Really yeah, Okay,
Speaker 2: let's run down the list of things the Mariners could
Speaker 2: possibly do here on this off day on Monday. And
Speaker 2: the off day is big because off days give everyone
Speaker 2: plenty of time to sit and think about the state
Speaker 2: of this roster.
Speaker 1: Right, Let's let's do this in an interesting way. Let's
Speaker 1: go back and forth. You throw it at you throw
Speaker 1: out an idea, I'll throw out an idea, You can
Speaker 1: throw out an idea, et cetera.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's start with the players. Can you give me
Speaker 2: a reason why Michael Arroyo and Las Montes shouldn't be
Speaker 2: on the roster on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: I do not think Las Montes is a big league ready.
Speaker 1: He's still not hitting lefties, his strikeout rate is still
Speaker 1: too high in Tacoma. But Michael Arroyo, yes, he should
Speaker 1: be here.
Speaker 2: You're probably right on Las. But but your point on
Speaker 2: him is going to be a theme with like some
Speaker 2: of the decisions that will be made up to Tuesday.
Speaker 2: I know front officers always think in the long term.
Speaker 1: But.
Speaker 2: My thing is, like I just can't hear the words
Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven at all. This week when thinking about
Speaker 2: this team, I can't I can't do it. I can't
Speaker 2: have like all of this preseason hype, all of this
Speaker 2: it's our time to win the World Series. I can't
Speaker 2: have it. And then we've reached not even the middle
Speaker 2: of August, and everyone's already focused on next season. And
Speaker 2: while I understand and you're totally logically right on Las
Speaker 2: Montes and him potentially not being ready for the big
Speaker 2: leagues right now, one thing you definitely do need is
Speaker 2: more power and not got enough power the guy. If
Speaker 2: there's one thing you know he'll do when he comes
Speaker 2: up here, two things strikeout or three things strikeout, walk
Speaker 2: and hit home runs, we know he's gonna do that.
Speaker 2: I don't care about the defense. I don't care about
Speaker 2: anything else. And I'm not even saying it makes a
Speaker 2: whole lot of sense. But if I it decisions that
Speaker 2: come on Tuesday. If you're saying we didn't do this
Speaker 2: because twenty twenty seven, I think it's backwards.
Speaker 1: Okay, but there still has to be some process that
Speaker 1: you take in player development. Are you calling up Felmin
Speaker 1: Sellison and Johnny Barmelo two?
Speaker 2: Okay, but that's different. Those guys are multiple levels away
Speaker 2: from the big leagues.
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, but Las hasn't been in TRIPA that long.
Speaker 2: It's still more logical than the other two. And also like, yes,
Speaker 2: you wouldn't have a center fielder a backup centerfielder for
Speaker 2: Julio at Victor was Victor Robliss is the example of
Speaker 2: who's the spot Laz would take, right, he would take
Speaker 2: Robless to spot because Roblest barely plays anymore. It doesn't
Speaker 2: even seem they trust him that much at the plate,
Speaker 2: So that's where like Laz would be in there. But
Speaker 2: like the team need does need if they're trying to
Speaker 2: score more runs, like that's one way to do it.
Speaker 2: It might not be pretty. But if you're starting to
Speaker 2: throw stuff at the wall just to try and again
Speaker 2: salvage something out of this season, what's currently there is
Speaker 2: not working mm hm, So you gotta you gotta try,
Speaker 2: even if it sounds insane, you might have to try it.
Speaker 2: But I see no, I see no good argument that
Speaker 2: at least one of those two shouldn't be up on
Speaker 2: the roster on Tuesday. And if you're telling me, I
Speaker 2: saw this idea floated out there this week that they
Speaker 2: want to protect those guys, so next year they can
Speaker 2: play games while the lockout's going on.
Speaker 1: Miss me with that, I mean, yeah, I mean that's
Speaker 1: totally fine. I'm with you. I don't think you should
Speaker 1: just keep Michael Arroyo down because of a potential lockout
Speaker 1: next year so you can keep playing. Because again, if
Speaker 1: that's the case, then it's back to your point that
Speaker 1: you started this whole thing with, which is you're punning
Speaker 1: this season, right, you're not doing everything possible to make
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six a priority.
Speaker 2: It if this if you view the twenty twenty sixth
Speaker 2: season as incomplete, as as a lost cause unfortunately, Like
Speaker 2: why should the fans have to show up to the
Speaker 2: park the rest of the season If that's the case,
Speaker 2: it's a good question.
Speaker 1: Also, don't las In Arroyo have to be put on
Speaker 1: the forty man next year? Are they not? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think they do.
Speaker 1: So for whoever said that online, I don't even think
Speaker 1: that logic checks out because those guys aren't gonna be
Speaker 1: able to play next year anyway. The Mariners are gonna
Speaker 1: have to put those guys on the forty man in
Speaker 1: the winner because you're not gonna let them get Rule
Speaker 1: five Obviously, and if you're on the forty man, that's
Speaker 1: what qualifies into the lockout. So if there's a lockout
Speaker 1: next year, Laz and Arroyo are a plan. Anyway, Farmelo
Speaker 1: will be playing, and Salaston will be playing, and Luke
Speaker 1: Stevenson will be playning and some of those other guys,
Speaker 1: but not Kade, not Sloan. Well, actually it depends what
Speaker 1: those guys and what they do. We'll get to them
Speaker 1: in a minute. But Laz and Arroyo, I think you
Speaker 1: got to put on the forty man. So yes, I
Speaker 1: would not do it with Laz yet. Maybe in September.
Speaker 1: We'll see how he looks over the next month and
Speaker 1: you can make a decision then Arroyo. Yeah, And if
Speaker 1: you want to even go deeper than that in Tacoma,
Speaker 1: here's the first idea I'll throw out there. You can
Speaker 1: bring Ryan Bliss up too. You could take Michael Arroyo,
Speaker 1: Ryan Bliss, bring him up, and you could send down
Speaker 1: West and Wilson and Leo Ribas.
Speaker 2: Right, perfectly logical, No, no good reason for that not
Speaker 2: to happen on Tuesday. Sure, try something. Well, can you
Speaker 2: name me a good reason why, Ryan, Sloan and Kate
Speaker 2: Anderson shouldn't be up pitching on this Mariner's staff, either
Speaker 2: in the bullpen or in the rotation on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Be quite a move of Jerry to go back on
Speaker 1: his word from four days ago to say we're not
Speaker 1: putting Kate in the bullpen too. Well, now we're putting
Speaker 1: Kate in the bullpen. Be kind of funny. Optics, I'll say.
Speaker 2: That, screw the optics. Do you want to win? I mean, yes,
Speaker 2: I do, right exactly. It all comes back to that, right,
Speaker 2: So Jerry would tell us again. It could be perfectly
Speaker 2: logical for a front office in any situation besides this one,
Speaker 2: to say, well, we don't want to ruin the development
Speaker 2: of our prospects. It's like, okay, but like once you
Speaker 2: tell us that this season doesn't matter as much, then
Speaker 2: we have a problem.
Speaker 1: Sure, I will do the same thing with Laz and
Speaker 1: Arroyo that I'll do with Kate and Sloan. Here, you
Speaker 1: can absolutely have me buying in to Kate Anderson being
Speaker 1: up on the big leagu grosster. You could, because he's
Speaker 1: a big league arm pitching in the miners. He's too
Speaker 1: good for the minor leagues. We know that he just
Speaker 1: had another great start this weekend Sloan, I would hump
Speaker 1: the brakes a little bit. He is not even at
Speaker 1: the innings total of last year's Ryan Sloane innings, so
Speaker 1: I don't know how putting him in the bullpen does
Speaker 1: much for him at twenty years old. That would really
Speaker 1: be stunning some development. I know you say you don't
Speaker 1: care about that. There is a level I'm willing to
Speaker 1: go with this where when Ryan Sloan is the chance
Speaker 1: to be the ace of your staff in a couple
Speaker 1: of years, and you could be yanking him up into
Speaker 1: a bullpen to not even meet his inning limit on
Speaker 1: a roster that may not make the playoffs anyway, I
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna pump the brakes on that.
Speaker 2: Totally logical, totally logical. But you know he would make
Speaker 2: you better.
Speaker 1: Probably, But there is a again, this goes back to
Speaker 1: Then this goes back to the whole idea of well
Speaker 1: then just call up Johnny Farmelo and felnin Celliston too.
Speaker 1: Sloan is also multiple levels away.
Speaker 2: But you couldn't. You can't really make a case that
Speaker 2: Felonin or Johnny could compete at the big league level today,
Speaker 2: But you can for the four guys I mentioned.
Speaker 1: You can, But again I think it's you're getting really
Speaker 1: really pushy with Sloan now if they call up Caid
Speaker 1: and he comes up and helps, and then in September
Speaker 1: they found their way back into it and they go
Speaker 1: back on the plan that they talked about earlier in
Speaker 1: the season where they want to bring Sloan up later.
Speaker 1: All right, yeah, buy into that. But right now on
Speaker 1: August tenth, eh feels a little crazy.
Speaker 2: The Marrors have reached a point though, where they can't
Speaker 2: just stay on schedule if the season still matters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's there.
Speaker 2: It's the tough reality.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So that's all the player stuff I can think of.
Speaker 2: Is there any other player stuff I'm missing?
Speaker 1: I mean not unless you want to try to go
Speaker 1: fish down that waiver route and look toward guys that
Speaker 1: have been DF eight. I mean, if you wanted to
Speaker 1: try and bring Jorge Soilari in. I mean I guess
Speaker 1: he could. He hasn't signed anywhere. But when the trade
Speaker 1: deadline ends, everybody kind of just sits back. You can't
Speaker 1: do much. It's just, hey, here's your team go. The
Speaker 1: only things they can do in terms of player roster
Speaker 1: moves is bringing guys up from the minor leagues or
Speaker 1: fishing down that dfa waiverryer, and maybe they'd look toward that.
Speaker 1: But there's a reason Jorge Hilaire was DFAD this year, right,
Speaker 1: So I'd say that is about it. On the player side,
Speaker 1: if you wanted to throw out some other names, you can,
Speaker 1: And again, if you think we're leaving names out, you
Speaker 1: can drop him in the comments or dm us could
Speaker 1: they look it? I mean, like Brendan Davis is still hurt,
Speaker 1: so that one wouldn't work. Could you look at brock
Speaker 1: Rodden or could you look at Spencer Packard healthy? I mean,
Speaker 1: that's another name you could throw out there, but it's
Speaker 1: not anything that's gonna exactly inject crazy life into the team.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, for example, brock Rodden is a he'd
Speaker 1: be a utility player in the big leagues. He's not
Speaker 1: gonna fix the offense. Spencer Packard as we sit see, No,
Speaker 1: he's active. Oh yeah, Like, I mean that could be
Speaker 1: another name. He's twenty eight years old. Like that's somebody
Speaker 1: that isn't gonna have much minor league development left. Sure,
Speaker 1: like you could try it. I don't know how much
Speaker 1: it's gonna do. But that's about all the names left.
Speaker 2: So then we move on to other people. Lyle's let's
Speaker 2: move away from the players and everyone else. And I'm
Speaker 2: gonna start by saying this. I don't I don't want
Speaker 2: to call for people's jobs, and it's not my decision
Speaker 2: to decide whether or not people are employed. But the
Speaker 2: facts or the facts with this Mariner's team is that
Speaker 2: they are drastically underperforming across the board. And rarely in
Speaker 2: any business do you underperform to this magnitude that the
Speaker 2: Mariners are currently at. And there's no accountability. The only
Speaker 2: accountability we've seen all season long is Bobby maggianis losing
Speaker 2: his job and the Mariner's offense has been worse since
Speaker 2: they fired him. So that leaves us with two different sectors,
Speaker 2: coaches and the front office entering Tuesday. That's that's where
Speaker 2: we're at. It could happen to anybody at this point,
Speaker 2: and I on a wouldn't be surprised. Like the cas
Speaker 2: is for everyone. You have the coaches, whether you want
Speaker 2: to be Kevin Siitz or the hitting coach, Edgar Martinez
Speaker 2: the director of hitting, or Dan Wilson the manager, where
Speaker 2: they just the players have underperformed to such a drastic
Speaker 2: measure that at some point that is a reflection on
Speaker 2: the coaching staff, and that's how they're held accountable. Or
Speaker 2: you look up to the front office where you're sitting
Speaker 2: in year eleven, and your trajectory is downwards. As much
Speaker 2: as you like to pump up the farm system, the
Speaker 2: trajectory of the major league team is down in year eleven.
Speaker 2: And usually when that happens, people lose their jobs, unfortunately,
Speaker 2: and it sounds but that's just how life works.
Speaker 1: I mean. I'll dig into a couple more tweets in
Speaker 1: the social media realm just to add some context. One
Speaker 1: is from Softie on KJR, who tweeted this after the
Speaker 1: loss today. But Softie said this team is totally void
Speaker 1: of any leadership. Nobody besides an occasional media gathering with
Speaker 1: Jerry is speaking for the team, and Jerry doesn't do
Speaker 1: many of those. He's done one maybe two of them
Speaker 1: this year. It's rare. To continue Softy's tweet, he says
Speaker 1: the manager seems lost. The owner, outside of addressing the
Speaker 1: accomplishments of the past, is a wall. The ship is
Speaker 1: sinking and they can't get to the lifeboats fast enough,
Speaker 1: I mean seems about right.
Speaker 2: Yep, Softy's had a lot of good tweets this week,
Speaker 2: I'll say that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He also mentioned that we haven't really heard from
Speaker 1: many of the stars postgame a whole lot. I mean,
Speaker 1: Naylor really never talks like, you don't really hear anything
Speaker 1: from Naylor. Same thing with Randy. Cow's talked a little bit.
Speaker 1: Julio certainly hasn't talked in a while. You know, there's
Speaker 1: always a couple of times in the year where Julio
Speaker 1: kind of step up and say something. Feels like he
Speaker 1: hasn't said anything in a long while now, right, So
Speaker 1: there's that and that. So that's more of the coaches
Speaker 1: leadership side of it. Softie's more talking about the accountability
Speaker 1: if you want to go to the front office side
Speaker 1: of it. Our friend Jage on Twitter does make a
Speaker 1: point here with the following He said, the four longest
Speaker 1: tenured president of baseball ops in Major League Baseball are
Speaker 1: Brian Cashman, who's had twenty eight years of employment. He's
Speaker 1: made the playoffs twenty three times, four World Series and
Speaker 1: seven penance and by the way, Yankees fan still don't
Speaker 1: like Brian Cashman. R read that again twenty eight years,
Speaker 1: playoffs twenty three times, four World Series, seven penance, and
Speaker 1: Yankees fans still call for that guy's job constantly. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's him AJ Preller, who is a lightning rod in
Speaker 1: his own right. He is very polarizing. He is a
Speaker 1: very very video game fantasy baseball type GM. He just
Speaker 1: is because like he just does crazy things. He doesn't
Speaker 1: operate like anybody else. But AJ Preller twelve years, four
Speaker 1: playoff appearances, no World Series, no penance, and people still,
Speaker 1: you know, often wonder if A J. Preller's jobs in
Speaker 1: jeopardy right, But he's been there twelve years and has
Speaker 1: made the playoffs four times. Then you get to Mark
Speaker 1: Shapiro of the Blue Jays, who, by the way, is
Speaker 1: more it's like the president of the team. Now. I'm
Speaker 1: sure he's still involved with baseball, but the way Toronto's
Speaker 1: leadership is structured is different where Shapiro's got a bit
Speaker 1: of a different role. Now, if I have that right,
Speaker 1: I believe.
Speaker 2: Probably the wrong people to be talk about that. We
Speaker 2: maybe should ask our friends at Gate fourteen what exactly
Speaker 2: the breakdown and responsibilities and a Blue Jay's front office
Speaker 2: is right, but at the very.
Speaker 1: Least, he's obviously not the GM, it's Ross Atkins. But
Speaker 1: if you want to talk about Shapiro, who is in
Speaker 1: a higher up role from a GM at this point,
Speaker 1: eleven years, five playoff appearances, no world series titles, one pennant, so.
Speaker 2: Right, and very nearly had one last year right.
Speaker 1: Out's away Miguel Rojas Homer away. Eleven years, five playoffs,
Speaker 1: so half nearly half the time they've made the playoffs
Speaker 1: and in fourth or tied for third, I should say out.
Speaker 1: Also at eleven years Jared, Yeah, tied for fourth. Also
Speaker 1: at eleven years, Jerry, Oh my god, I can't even talk.
Speaker 1: Not tied for fourth, tied for third Jerry Depoto eleven years,
Speaker 1: two playoff appearances, no world series titles, no penance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I want to fall up with a couple
Speaker 2: other things. Jage tweeted, because he's when Jage gets on one,
Speaker 2: I think he is really really I think he's spot
Speaker 2: on with a lot of this stuff, like you can
Speaker 2: always look at you can always look at like prospect
Speaker 2: rankings as the health of an organization, and clearly those
Speaker 2: are valuable, but if those don't translate to the thing
Speaker 2: that ultimately matters, which is winning your division, winning the Pennant,
Speaker 2: and winning a World Series, then what's the point. You
Speaker 2: could always have a good farm system, but if you
Speaker 2: don't win jack shit, then it does not matter.
Speaker 1: Well, that's exactly what Jage said. He said the following
Speaker 1: in another tweet, he said, Fangrafts Baseball America MLB farm
Speaker 1: system rankings don't mean shit. Banners do. And this front
Speaker 1: office has one meaningful banner in ten plus years.
Speaker 2: Right, it's not wrong. And then to summarize it, I
Speaker 2: think he summarizes perfectly right below that it says, whatever
Speaker 2: you decide you're gonna do with your coaching staff, is
Speaker 2: this gonna Is this gonna help the team better? If
Speaker 2: you're firing the hitting coach, firing the manager, or getting
Speaker 2: rid of someone in the front office, Is it gonna
Speaker 2: help the team hit better? Who knows? But you know
Speaker 2: what won't help that doing the same thing that you've
Speaker 2: currently been doing for the next seven weeks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's clear this is not working. Like you said,
Speaker 1: nothing at the trade deadline was really gonna alter the
Speaker 1: reality of this team. Taylor Ward seems fine. I mean,
Speaker 1: he squared up a ball nicely here on Sunday tripled
Speaker 1: earlier in the game. But sure, Anthony Domingez hasn't looked
Speaker 1: all that sharp obviously, and that's it. That's all you
Speaker 1: have to your new roster, right.
Speaker 2: I'm just frustrated, man, I'm frustrated. I'm a little depressed
Speaker 2: at this point that this season has gone down the toilet.
Speaker 2: And I know I'm gonna hear someone in the Mariners
Speaker 2: talk about twenty twenty seven as a reason to not
Speaker 2: try and make their team better in desperation. Uh and
Speaker 2: within this week, and it's gonna piss me off.
Speaker 1: Oh because it's oh, oh, sorry, twenty twenty seven. You
Speaker 1: mean the year there's gonna.
Speaker 2: Be a lockout, correct, right? Because at some point Mariners
Speaker 2: fans can't keep getting told next year. We can't start
Speaker 2: the season with World Series and end the season with
Speaker 2: next year anymore. I'm done. Yes, the team needs, the
Speaker 2: team needs to operate like that.
Speaker 1: Facts, it's been way, way, way too long of asking
Speaker 1: fans to wait around fifty years is way too long
Speaker 1: for any fan base, any franchise, any sport. And you've
Speaker 1: never made the World Series. The New York Jets might
Speaker 1: be the most inep franchise in all of sports. Once
Speaker 1: upon a time. It's hard to believe. I know, the
Speaker 1: Jets won a Super Bowl. The Mariners are still honoring
Speaker 1: a season where they lost in the semi finals. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, look, the fiftieth weekend was great. It was
Speaker 1: It was very cool. The marketing team crushed it. The
Speaker 1: people on the business side of the Mariners crushed that
Speaker 1: whole weekend. But when the biggest thing you have to
Speaker 1: hang your hat on is a season thirty years later
Speaker 1: where you lost in the ALCS in six games, what
Speaker 1: are we doing? There are franchises that don't still do
Speaker 1: World Series promotional nights. Thirty years later, we're still talking
Speaker 1: about ALCS. Fifty years is far too long.
Speaker 2: And I don't want to hear anyone reference nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: five as a reason this team's going to turn it around.
Speaker 2: I just don't want to hear it. I don't whether
Speaker 2: you're talking to with that.
Speaker 1: Isn't it a little bit? Isn't it a little little
Speaker 1: bit of a unique time to be telling a man
Speaker 1: and Rick Rez who just got inducted into the Maridith
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: I'm not even trying to take personal shots, but like,
Speaker 2: like again, like you can be like a beacon of positivity.
Speaker 2: But like, like I'm I'm not alone on this island.
Speaker 1: I know you're not because I'm in the same boat
Speaker 1: as you. I'm just laughing at hearing you say it.
Speaker 2: It just it just can't be. It cannot be. At
Speaker 2: some point the money that the fans invest into this
Speaker 2: team needs to pay off.
Speaker 1: Well in fifty seasons, it has.
Speaker 2: Not correct at some point, and I'm tired of getting
Speaker 2: on here, especially this season. It seems like every Sunday
Speaker 2: and we're so downer, and we're so negative about this team,
Speaker 2: and then we have people ask us why we're being
Speaker 2: so negative about the team. Why don't we cheer up?
Speaker 2: Why aren't we more optimistic? Well, I just want a
Speaker 2: reason to be. Last year gave us a great reason
Speaker 2: to be. Things worked great, but then we get the
Speaker 2: total other side of the coin this year. And the
Speaker 2: Mariners last year, by the way, took drastic steps to
Speaker 2: make that happen, to make that team what it was.
Speaker 2: They were willing to do things they hadn't done before
Speaker 2: to make that happen. I'd love for the same thing
Speaker 2: to happen this year, but unfortunately it's gonna have to
Speaker 2: be in the opposite direction.
Speaker 1: People should go back and look at all the things
Speaker 1: we were talking about in posting last October. For anybody
Speaker 1: that says we'll try being optimistic, TJ did multiple videos
Speaker 1: last year during the playoffs when the Mariners got to
Speaker 1: Game five against the Tigers and Game seven against the
Speaker 1: Blue Jays, and he's like, the Mariners season is not
Speaker 1: allowed to end tonight, and he highlights every reason why
Speaker 1: this can't end here. It worked once, It didn't work
Speaker 1: the second time because Dan Wilson decided to blow the
Speaker 1: season by not putting Munno's in the game. But TJ
Speaker 1: made two separate videos on that, And those are just
Speaker 1: two of hundreds of optimistic videos we did around the
Speaker 1: postseason and around August and September and on when they
Speaker 1: were just lighting it up. Like when the team plays well,
Speaker 1: nobody's more optimistic than us. But we're not gonna sit
Speaker 1: here and tell you well, like you just gotta believe
Speaker 1: these guys will figure it out. You gotta remember in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety five when they were fourteen games back, like
Speaker 1: no man, like this has been one of the worst
Speaker 1: offenses in baseball all year. This team doesn't play good defense.
Speaker 1: The manager makes blunders at every turn. The fundamental baseball
Speaker 1: is awful. The bullpen's had problem. You couldn't make sound
Speaker 1: decisions on your rotation all year. You didn't do enough
Speaker 1: at the trade deadline. We're not gonna sit here and
Speaker 1: pull the wall over people's eyes. Everything I just highlighted
Speaker 1: out has happened this year.
Speaker 2: No one like we benefit from the team being good
Speaker 2: as much as everyone else. We have no reason to
Speaker 2: want the team to be bad or to play bad.
Speaker 2: But that's that's just how it sounds now because that's
Speaker 2: what the team has given us. And they're staring down
Speaker 2: the barrel of a stretch that I don't think they're
Speaker 2: going to get through. And if they still care about
Speaker 2: this season, then they got to change something. So they
Speaker 2: need to do something because what's currently happening on this
Speaker 2: team does not work, and they've proven to us over
Speaker 2: and over again that it doesn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and by the way, just to start with this
Speaker 1: series in New York, the Mariners get two lefties, including
Speaker 1: Max Screed in the finale. Now you miss Schlitzler and
Speaker 1: Cole if you want to look glass half full, but
Speaker 1: glass half MD is you get two lefties including Max
Speaker 1: Freed in New York where the Mariners have not played well,
Speaker 1: and Brian wu is going to start the first game
Speaker 1: and we unfortunately know how his road outings have gone
Speaker 1: this year.
Speaker 2: They've won one series in New York in like the
Speaker 2: last twenty years.
Speaker 1: Yep, they haven't won a series in Boston and forever.
Speaker 1: And like we said on Friday with Tyan Colby, they're
Speaker 1: probably getting missed in the Brewers series if everything's shake
Speaker 1: out to how it's supposed tough. Yeah, we're not going
Speaker 1: to go an hour today. There's just there's just not
Speaker 1: enough to keep going down the rabbit hole about. There's
Speaker 1: just not like this is where we're at. We don't
Speaker 1: want to. We don't want to. Yeah, everybody's tired. We
Speaker 1: don't want to force anybody into more dragged out Mariners
Speaker 1: talk with the state of this current team. But yeah,
Speaker 1: this is this is where we're at. This is the
Speaker 1: this is the reality. We wish we were sitting here
Speaker 1: being positive, but we're sitting here talking about the reality
Speaker 1: because that's what we do. We're realists.
Speaker 2: And we'll see how much we have to talk about
Speaker 2: at our podcast taping on Tuesday at queen Ane Beer Hole.
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll have a lot to talk about, or maybe
Speaker 2: we'll just be more of the same, but come through
Speaker 2: to find out.
Speaker 1: We'd still love to hang out with you guys. Season aside,
Speaker 1: we always love to talk baseball with people. We saw
Speaker 1: so many people at the ballpark this weekend, which is
Speaker 1: always a blast. We always see people at the events,
Speaker 1: which is great. Like, we love to come and hang
Speaker 1: out with you guys this we So if you're around
Speaker 1: Tuesday night about seven pm, come on out to Queen
Speaker 1: anber Hall will be there even a little before seven
Speaker 1: because we'll be watching a bit of the game, probably
Speaker 1: like the latter half of the game, and also setting
Speaker 1: up too, So you want to come out, come on out.
Speaker 1: We'd love to see you guys, seriously, and that's real.
Speaker 1: I will say one final thing before we wrap this up,
Speaker 1: because we've spent a lot of time talking about it.
Speaker 1: Shout out to every Mariners fan or just about every
Speaker 1: Mariners fan in the building on Saturday night who gave
Speaker 1: a rod the recognition that he one hundred percent deserved.
Speaker 1: Were there a few booze, Yeah, can't please everybody that
Speaker 1: was ninety five percent cheers for Alex Rodriguez, and that
Speaker 1: my friends, is how it should be.
Speaker 2: It was one of the louder ovations too, among the
Speaker 2: guys who came out, like of the of the dugouts,
Speaker 2: essentially like he got among the loudest ovation. Then they
Speaker 2: had the four Hall of Famers come in from center field, which,
Speaker 2: as expected, go the biggest round of applause. But among
Speaker 2: the guys who came in before that, I mean, a
Speaker 2: Rod got a pretty loud ovation. I was I was
Speaker 2: pretty happy to see that, and good on him. He came,
Speaker 2: he showed up, he was there, and thank goodness.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mayor's Hall of Fame. Next, that's the next step.
Speaker 2: Maybe I meant, Look, it's the first step back into
Speaker 2: recognition by an organization. They deemed him one of the
Speaker 2: thirty fifty greatest Mariners, and now that connection is back.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's impossible. No, it's probably way later
Speaker 2: than it should but I don't think it's impossible, you know.
Speaker 1: What, better late than ever. It is way later than
Speaker 1: it should have been, but it seems like enough times
Speaker 1: pass where enough fans can really just let bygones be
Speaker 1: bygones and remember the good stuff. I don't know if
Speaker 1: all the public conversation about the a Rod stuff helped.
Speaker 1: I'd like to think it helped a little bit from
Speaker 1: all the people, not just us, but there were other
Speaker 1: people talking about Yeah, man like cheer for a Rod
Speaker 1: and people say you have gotten the message because that
Speaker 1: was a very very cool ovation that he got. And
Speaker 1: I'm glad it was not boo birds and fake money
Speaker 1: being thrown again like it was, no, we remember the
Speaker 1: good years of a Rod. That was cool because again,
Speaker 1: at his peak, he may be the greatest player that's
Speaker 1: ever put on this jersey. You can argue, like not
Speaker 1: career as a whole, he wasn't here as long as
Speaker 1: the Mariners Hall of Famers, but peak, there's a real
Speaker 1: argument he's the best player to ever put on a
Speaker 1: Mariners jersey. So I'm very glad he got the recognition.
Speaker 1: Shout out Arod. This is the pro Arod podcast, as
Speaker 1: you guys know by now. So yeah, all right, that
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