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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 2: Come on to you Happy Friday or FRIDAYA, depending on

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Speaker 2: where you are and how you pronounce it. Sadan Patrick Show,

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Speaker 3: To talk about.

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Speaker 2: Dan Byer alongside. So it's my trustee, our trusty producer,

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Speaker 2: Jason Stewart and Iowa Sam, who is sulking because the

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Speaker 2: Hawkeyes were lambasted last night by the Hoosiers. And by

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Speaker 2: that I mean women's basketball. Uh to which, like of

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Speaker 2: which or whatever. I can't say that I ever remember,

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Speaker 2: ever recall actually score watching a regular season random Big

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Speaker 2: ten women's game. But true story, Dan, I was my

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Speaker 2: so I picked up my son for we were doing

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Speaker 2: we had hoops practice last night and we had to

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Speaker 2: push it back. We had a little gym issue whatever,

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Speaker 2: and I was like, hey man, you want to grab

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Speaker 2: some wings. Yeah, so I want to grab some wings.

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Speaker 2: And we're watching a couple of college again, the men's

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Speaker 2: college games, and then Suns MAVs, which, by the way,

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Speaker 2: Luca was incredible. What do you have forty one?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Eleven or nine? Yeah? Not bad?

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Speaker 2: And He's like, Dad, Caitlin Clark's team's getting blown out,

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Speaker 2: And I was like where, And now, look, it wasn't

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Speaker 2: on main TV, wasn't like but it was on. And again,

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Speaker 2: like normally when you line up the at Buffalo Wild Wings,

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Speaker 2: you line up the all the televisions the first night

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Speaker 2: the NBA's back, and there's college games glure and there

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Speaker 2: was hockey going. No one has a women's game, let

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Speaker 2: alone one on. I think it was Big ten Network.

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Speaker 3: Me, yeah, mate, he was at a peacock is one

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Speaker 3: of the two.

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Speaker 2: Regardless the idea that's even on or that we check

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Speaker 2: it or that we'd care. I kind of feel like

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Speaker 2: that says it all. But we'll get back to that upcoming.

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Speaker 2: The Lakers lose in their return to play to the

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Speaker 2: Golden State Warriors. I guess buried in it is Klay Thompson.

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Speaker 2: It's you know, everyone's gonna point out man the thirty

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Speaker 2: five points he had coming out the bench. I think

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Speaker 2: it was the first night he was coming out the

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Speaker 2: bench before the break. He had three last night, and

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Speaker 2: he looked like a guy like man Clay who tough

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Speaker 2: to age in a contract here. But then curiously absent

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Speaker 2: was Lebron James, and he had an ankle issue that

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Speaker 2: was so bad he's expected to play tonight. And look,

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Speaker 2: I think we can all be reasonable Dan and say,

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Speaker 2: like Lebron j if anyone's earned an extra day off,

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Speaker 2: it's Lebron James. You know, no one's earned an extra

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Speaker 2: day off. It's Lebron James. Dude's been a stud in

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Speaker 2: the NBA for twenty years and we're coming off the

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Speaker 2: All Star break, and like, look, I talked to a

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Speaker 2: bunch of these NBA guys. You're like, you know, guys

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Speaker 2: like Lebron. They get done playing their last game before

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Speaker 2: the break, they fly immediately to All Stars. They do

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Speaker 2: all kinds of they do. They have to do some

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Speaker 2: media stuff, but most of it is just kind of

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Speaker 2: business stuff, like the business of the NBA. Then they

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Speaker 2: go and you know, they go to the Saturday night

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Speaker 2: show and then they go out and have a good

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Speaker 2: night out. Then they play the game and then they

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Speaker 2: try and get like a day or two away before

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Speaker 2: getting back after it.

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Speaker 4: Honestly, it's a bad job by the NBA to put

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Speaker 4: Lakers Warriors on that Thursday for all of the reasons

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Speaker 4: of like coming back in I know you want to

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Speaker 4: grab the momentum of the.

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Speaker 3: All Star Game.

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Speaker 2: That's the idea.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but the momentum that they had not so great.

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Speaker 2: No so, but and like, look, we want to sit

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Speaker 2: there and go okay, well that's you know, like, how

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Speaker 2: do you have that level of game? Oklahoma City played

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Speaker 2: the Clippers last night. By the way, Oklahoma City blew

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Speaker 2: out the Clippers. We point out now Suns maps, like

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Speaker 2: that's a big time game. So they lined up with,

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Speaker 2: like you said, football season's over, we just had our

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Speaker 2: All Star game. Let's build on some momentum the second

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Speaker 2: half the season. And again, I'm not questioning Lebron James

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Speaker 2: for sitting out a game, but I'm questioning Lebron James

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Speaker 2: for sitting out a game just because it allows anyone's

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Speaker 2: perception to be come on, really, like that's the one

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Speaker 2: you take off. Take off the Spurs night and we

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Speaker 2: could do the conspiracy theory thing.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: Then, Friday night games are ESPN, the Thursday night games

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Speaker 2: are TNT. The league is negotiating a new TV deal,

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Speaker 2: and do they want to have are they more likely

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Speaker 2: to re sign with ESPN? And then and then Adam

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Speaker 2: Silver has told Lebron James. If he gets the new

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Speaker 2: TV deal done with the ESPN, that's the number. Then

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Speaker 2: he gets his team Las Vegas conspiracy derry check.

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Speaker 4: It probably isn't too far off either. But he also

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Speaker 4: missed the game before the All Star Game, and I

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Speaker 4: even believe this, honestly, to the NBA's worth him sitting

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Speaker 4: out a regular season game, and this one happened to

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Speaker 4: be against the Warriors, so it's a little different because

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Speaker 4: of where they are in the in the standings of

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Speaker 4: the West. But if the All Star Game was worth anything,

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Speaker 4: it's worth Lebron playing in the All Star Game and

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Speaker 4: maybe missing a regular season game because then he can

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Speaker 4: get his rest, he can exert his energy to that point.

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Speaker 4: He could have had a week off if he didn't

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Speaker 4: play in that garbage on Sunday, Like you wouldn't.

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Speaker 2: Only played like ten minutes in the game.

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Speaker 4: Sure, but still, I mean, just the fact of if

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Speaker 4: you're resting an ankle or you're doing whatever you're doing.

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Speaker 4: I didn't have a problem with him missing last night.

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Speaker 4: It's just the point of what we say, maybe put

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Speaker 4: the Spurs game the Thursday night in the Warriors game Friday.

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Speaker 4: They cater so much to Lebron. Anyway, why wouldn't you

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Speaker 4: have done it in that situation?

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Speaker 2: It's not a bad I mean, I'm guessing it's TNT

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Speaker 2: had the choice, and you know that they were like, look,

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Speaker 2: come out and was the ALSAR game on TNT was

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Speaker 2: the also game on ESPN, right TNT. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 2: that's why all this happens is generally generally because because

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Speaker 2: TV wanted it such and they they pay the bills.

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Speaker 2: But this also is one of the things about the

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Speaker 2: All Star Game, which you know, I think the players

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Speaker 2: aren't appreciating, which is you're in a contract negotiation. Anyone

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Speaker 2: who's ever in a contract negotiation, I'll say, like, that's

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Speaker 2: the time to be on your best behavior. If you're

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Speaker 2: a show up at five minutes before work, guy, now

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Speaker 2: you got to show up ten minutes before, right, you

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Speaker 2: do every little thing and the and it's almost as

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Speaker 2: if with that All Star Game, it was like we

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Speaker 2: There's no question that there's high level meetings going on

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Speaker 2: with all the TV entities and that you know, the

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Speaker 2: the two real lifebloods of the NBA, actually the three

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Speaker 2: probably where do they make most of their money. Well,

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Speaker 2: they're going to make it through the TV. The TV revenue,

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Speaker 2: they'll make it through, Like probably the biggest sponsor for

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Speaker 2: all of sports in the short term and probably long

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Speaker 2: term is gambling companies. H And then the last way

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Speaker 2: and it's not the place they make the biggest revenue,

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Speaker 2: but it's a gigantic revenue stream is their home attendance.

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Speaker 2: And I mean, think of the things that are hurt

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Speaker 2: when there's a perception and frankly reality that I don't

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Speaker 2: want to play every night. You know, I want to

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Speaker 2: play as I want to do as little as possible

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Speaker 2: and get paid as much as possible. Right, Well, then

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Speaker 2: a TV company is like, how are we supposed to

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Speaker 2: expect a rating if we have no idea who's gonna play?

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Speaker 2: And all we do is promote these stars, and the

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Speaker 2: stars are the ones that are now taking games off.

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Speaker 2: It's really hard to gamble on sporting events where you

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Speaker 2: not only don't know, like you've never really known how

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Speaker 2: hard somebody's gonna play, and now you don't even know

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Speaker 2: if they're gonna play. And then again like in terms

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Speaker 2: of attendance, we can brush it aside and it's gonna

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Speaker 2: be always be a challenge, especially now that you can

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Speaker 2: get any game you want without it, and forget about

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Speaker 2: without leaving your home. You could take it with you

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Speaker 2: anything you want to do. You'll be able to watch it.

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Speaker 2: You find a way. And why would I go to

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Speaker 2: an arena, pay all that money park dinner tickets, you know,

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Speaker 2: down in my seat and I'm like, yeah, sweet Warriors, Like, oh,

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Speaker 2: he's not playing.

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Speaker 4: And we'd heard it for a week, right, ye, like

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Speaker 4: like this was this was the probably not gonna play.

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Speaker 4: I think it was the first thing that did Wednesday morning.

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Speaker 4: It was Lebron Thursday night out against Golden State.

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Speaker 2: And look, again, Lebron's probably a bad example. Okay, he's

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Speaker 2: probably a bad example in that at his age, if

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Speaker 2: they said, look, we'll give you a you're gonna take

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Speaker 2: a game off before the All Star break, take a

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Speaker 2: game off after the All Star Break extended, like, I

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Speaker 2: get it.

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Speaker 5: I do.

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Speaker 2: On the other hand, he's the perfect example because like,

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Speaker 2: if this is what happens when you're the face of.

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Speaker 3: The league.

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Speaker 2: And we're just we're so slow to react, like the Warriors,

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Speaker 2: Steph is still amazing but that Warriors thing, it's really

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Speaker 2: two years ago now that the best we met you.

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Speaker 2: You pointed out Luca's how well Luca played? How about

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Speaker 2: Yo Kicch last night? Sure pitched a perfect game, didn't

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Speaker 2: miss a shot, triple double. Like the truth is, like

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Speaker 2: the five best players in the league are not named

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Speaker 2: Steph and not named Lebron. And honestly, I love Kevin Durant.

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Speaker 2: He's the best scorer of this generation. I know Lebron

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Speaker 2: has more points, but he's not. He has passed his prime,

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Speaker 2: past his prime. So we're doing on dated information. But

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Speaker 2: I mean, we all know the narrative that's out there,

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Speaker 2: and much of it's true. And then you're like, is

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Speaker 2: this the game you're missing the first one back?

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Speaker 4: Come on, man, it's funny because you just mentioned the

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Speaker 4: Warriors two years ago. I mean, we are just when

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Speaker 4: they won the title over Boston in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 4: There was this thought process of all right, back on track,

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Speaker 4: this is where this train continues to roll. And then

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Speaker 4: you just bring up Klay Thompson, which even last time,

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Speaker 4: just in watching and watching him and I caught the

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Speaker 4: second half of the game of gist of all right,

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Speaker 4: so what is next, like, would it be okay to

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Speaker 4: ride off into the sunset? Would it be okay if

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Speaker 4: that was, if that was what you wanted to do.

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Speaker 2: You mean for Clay to not play anymore after the shirt, Just.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if that was, if that was, if that was

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Speaker 4: like the the extreme to where you are and what

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Speaker 4: you've done, is there is there any shame in any

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Speaker 4: of that? And I don't think that there is at

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Speaker 4: all zero percent. But it's also just to the point

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Speaker 4: of Doug of this is Jack Nicholas. Their title two

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Speaker 4: years ago was Jack Nicholas in nineteen eighty six. It

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Speaker 4: was Tiger Woods in twenty nineteen winning the Masters, and

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Speaker 4: Jack obviously winning the Masters in eighty six. Maybe you

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Speaker 4: fooled yourself at that time that Tiger was going to

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Speaker 4: go and chase down Jack's record again.

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Speaker 3: No, it was the one off.

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Speaker 4: It was they got it back together, they got the

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Speaker 4: magic the one last time, and now life after those

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Speaker 2: You know, there's a new documentary out and I think

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Speaker 8: saying before, I give Belichick a lot of credit for

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Speaker 8: not leaking out why he benched Malcolm Butler, and he

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Speaker 8: very well could be doing Butler a solid by not

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Speaker 8: revealing his motivations. And you know, something may have happened here,

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Speaker 8: and Belichick has never ever, from what I can tell,

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Speaker 8: leaked out to anyone what his true motivation was that day.

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Speaker 8: So I'm surprised that the mystery has persisted and that

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Speaker 8: really there's only one person on this planet who I

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Speaker 8: think truly knows what's happened, and that's Bill Belichick. Malcolm

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Speaker 8: Butler doesn't know. I don't know if Robert Kraft knows,

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Speaker 8: Tom Brady, the players, No one really knows, Ben Ben Ben.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna gently correct you. There's no doubt

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Speaker 2: that Malcolm Butler knows. He may not agree with it,

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Speaker 2: but he knows you're not gonna not sit a guy

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Speaker 2: and be like, yo, he never told me what's up?

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Speaker 8: Like, come on, man, Okay, okay, I'll give you that one, Doug.

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Speaker 8: Malcolm Butler probably knows he sells it well that he

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Speaker 8: doesn't know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think he can sell it because he

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Speaker 4: knows Bill Belichick's not going to say it a sat point.

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Speaker 3: Great point.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's tell a little football here. What do you

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Speaker 2: think the Patriots do in the draft.

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Speaker 8: That's a great question. We were talking to Daniel Jeremiah yesterday,

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Speaker 8: the you know, the combine guru for the NFL network,

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Speaker 8: and I asked him that, I said, you know, do

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Speaker 8: you just take the quarterback that fall to or you know,

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Speaker 8: I think they should seriously consider Marvin Harrison at number three,

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Speaker 8: you know, get the get the talent now and then

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Speaker 8: kind of figure out the quarterback later. But you know,

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Speaker 8: his point was, you know, if you're the Patriots, you

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Speaker 8: don't know you're if you're going to be drafting this

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Speaker 8: high again. Although where the Patriots are right now, this

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Speaker 8: might be a multi year rebuilt coming up. But they

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Speaker 8: haven't drafted number three in thirty years, and you have

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Speaker 8: a chance to get a Jadon Daniels or a Drake

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Speaker 8: May most likely at number three. He thinks this, and

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Speaker 8: I think it makes a lot of sense. I think

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Speaker 8: the Patriots just have to pull the trigger on the quarterback.

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Speaker 8: You know, it's a new day for the Patriots. Belichick's

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Speaker 8: going and his kind of weird drafting ways, and it's

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Speaker 8: now Elliott Wolf in charge, the son of Hall of

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Speaker 8: Fame front office GM ron Wolf, and I think you're

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Speaker 8: going to see him a more typical draft for the Patriots,

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Speaker 8: filling obvious needs. That's all on offense. They need quarterback,

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Speaker 8: they need receiver. You know, Jayden Daniels would bring such

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Speaker 8: a jolt of excitement to the Patriots that you know,

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Speaker 8: I'd be a little worried that you're just taking the

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Speaker 8: third best quarterback and the one that drops to you

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Speaker 8: and you're not exactly making a play for any guy.

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Speaker 8: But you know, I love Drake May I think with

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Speaker 8: his size and he's kind of the prototypical quarterback that

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Speaker 8: I think maybe in a vacuum the Patriots might prefer.

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Speaker 8: But if you can get Jaden Daniels Heisman Trophy winner,

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Speaker 8: an electric playmaker that the Patriots haven't had around here

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Speaker 8: for a while, I think that's probably.

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Speaker 7: Where they go.

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Speaker 4: I know it's only been like five or six weeks,

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Speaker 4: but is there a tangible difference to the girod Mao

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Speaker 4: era compared to the twenty years of Bill Belichick.

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Speaker 8: Yeah. I mean he's nicer, he's a friendlier and you know,

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Speaker 8: he did a press conference the other day and it

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Speaker 8: was rapid fire questions one act or another. He gave

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Speaker 8: the sinct answers, you know, answered them straightforward, didn't fill

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Speaker 8: a buster, didn't talk around all that stuff. So, you know,

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Speaker 8: the Patriots have done a good job of letting us

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Speaker 8: meet the new assistant coaches and all that, and that's great.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I love the fact that they're being more

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Speaker 8: open now. But the fans really don't necessarily care about that.

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Speaker 8: And that's all I heard about on social media, it's like, wow,

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Speaker 8: he won the press conference. Great, you know, Kenny coach

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Speaker 8: football and so we'll see about the direction of this program.

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Speaker 8: I'd be a little concerned for the Patriots right now.

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Speaker 8: They have a lot of guys in big positions that

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Speaker 8: have never done them before. Girod Mayo doesn't have a

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Speaker 8: whole lot of coaching experience. He's now the head coach.

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Speaker 8: You know, Alex vand pealthy. Offensive coordinator has only called

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Speaker 8: plays once in his life, and that was back in

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Speaker 8: two thousand and nine. The defensive coordinator has never been

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Speaker 8: a defensive coordinator before. Elliott Wolf, the GM has never

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Speaker 8: been a GM before. There's just a lot of new,

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Speaker 8: experienced people there. And look, maybe they found a young,

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Speaker 8: hungry staff that's ready to go. But the Patriots, certainly,

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Speaker 8: you have a lot of people doing their jobs for

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Speaker 8: the first time this year.

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Speaker 2: Don't worry that the Jets, Bills and Dolphins will take

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Speaker 2: it easy on them, because you know they're very concerned

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Speaker 2: with the Patriots getting that thing back going. Ben Vullen

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Speaker 2: our guests. Of course, he writes for The Boston Globe.

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Speaker 2: He not just covers Patriots, covers the entire nation football League.

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Speaker 2: He joins us here on The Dan Patrick Show with

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Speaker 2: Dan Byrom Doug Gottlieb here in the tyrack dot Com studios. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so Ben, what about the Bears. Justin Field's unfollows the

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Speaker 2: Bears on social media seems like the telltale sign of

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Speaker 2: something's going down, and we're supposed to find out in

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Speaker 2: the coming days what the Bears plans are. What do

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Speaker 2: you know?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean they're a lynch pin of the entire

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Speaker 8: NFL offseason. I think everyone wants to see what they

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Speaker 8: end up doing. I think the the obvious solution for

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Speaker 8: them is just to take Caleb Williams. I mean, the

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Speaker 8: kid is you're starting to hear now some people haven't

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Speaker 8: created as the highest prospect since Andrew Luck and that

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Speaker 8: includes guys like you know, Joe Burrow. So I think

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Speaker 8: there's a lot of excitement for Caleb Williams. You know,

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Speaker 8: if you're the Bears, you got to be careful. There

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Speaker 8: are these whispers out there that Caleb Williams doesn't want

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Speaker 8: to go to Chicago And do you know, could this

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Speaker 8: be another Eli Manning situation with the Chargers where maybe

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Speaker 8: the Bears draft him And I don't know, I think

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Speaker 8: we're a long way off from that, but those whispers

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Speaker 8: are out there and they need to seriously consider that.

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Speaker 8: And you know, they could potentially just get a haul

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Speaker 8: for that pick. I mean, maybe they swapped with Washington

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Speaker 8: and just dropped down to number two and maybe they

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Speaker 8: take Drake may. You know, I think the Fields experiment

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Speaker 8: has done just because of where his contract is. He's

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Speaker 8: cheap for one more year, but then he's got the

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Speaker 8: fifth year option and then the free agency decision. So

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Speaker 8: I think the for the Bears is definitely to trade

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Speaker 8: Fields and look maybe at Pittsburgh, Atlanta, Las Vegas, those

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Speaker 8: teams that'd be a good bridge option for them because

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Speaker 8: they're probably not going to get one of those top quarterbacks.

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Speaker 8: But for the Bears, I think, you know, CAYLEB. Williams

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Speaker 8: is the obvious pick for them, but really they do

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Speaker 8: have to consider those whispers that maybe he doesn't want

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Speaker 8: to play.

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Speaker 4: There is Russell Wilson the second Domino or is he

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Speaker 4: fallen off that much that we don't even consider him

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Speaker 4: a second Domino?

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Speaker 3: And looking at these offseason quarterbacks.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think Frankly, I put Fields ahead of Russell Wilson,

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Speaker 8: and I put Kirk Cousins ahead of Russell Wilson as well.

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Speaker 8: I think, you know, Russell at least put up some

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Speaker 8: decent numbers and did show improvement for Sean Payton last year.

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Speaker 8: And you do have to like that he's going to

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Speaker 8: be cheap for whichever team comes and gets him. You know,

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Speaker 8: the Broncos are probably releasing Russell Wilson even though they

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Speaker 8: owe him thirty nine million fully guaranteed next year, and

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Speaker 8: that comes with off offset, so the you know, the

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Speaker 8: new team can pay Russell Wilson three million and the

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Speaker 8: Broncos are still on the hook for thirty six. And

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Speaker 8: if Russell Wilson wants to prove the Bronco's wrong and

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Speaker 8: prove that he still has it at age thirty five,

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Speaker 8: then he's gonna play for cheap and go try to

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Speaker 8: prove it with another team. But when you're bringing in

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Speaker 8: Russell Wilson, I mean, I likeing it to what happened

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Speaker 8: to Cam Newton with the Patriots, Like once he got released,

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Speaker 8: Cam Newton was a tough guy to bring in if

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Speaker 8: you're not sure that he's your surefire starter, just because

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Speaker 8: he's such a big personality. And I think Russell Wilson

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Speaker 8: is kind of the same thing. You know, if you're

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Speaker 8: gonna build your team around Wilson for the year, then fine.

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Speaker 8: But if he's just coming in to be one of

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Speaker 8: the guys, that might be tough for someone who's got

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Speaker 8: as big of an aur and a personality as Russell

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Speaker 8: Wilson does. So, considering how much money he's got coming

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Speaker 8: to him from the Broncos this year, no matter what,

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Speaker 8: it'll be interesting to see if if Wilson decides to

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Speaker 8: play and what kind of offers will get out there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that whole thing is fascinating because the public persona

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Speaker 2: that he's tried to put out there for so long. All.

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Speaker 2: You know, when he was in Seattle, the legion of

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Speaker 2: boom was never into him, and then he was in

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Speaker 2: in Denver, obviously year one was a mess, and then

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Speaker 2: year two Sean Payton. You know, if all it's not

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Speaker 2: even reading between the lines, it was like this guy's

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Speaker 2: a pain in the ass, you know. And then it's

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Speaker 2: like you said, like the statistical performance was fine, and

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Speaker 2: they're still going to pay him thirty nine million to

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Speaker 2: go away. We can talk all we want about what

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Speaker 2: you know, salary cap or whatever, but the truth is

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Speaker 2: that if if Sean Payton thought he was good enough,

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Speaker 2: he'd be on the Broncos right.

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Speaker 8: No question. And the Broncos are willing to wreck their

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Speaker 8: salary cap and pay this guy a huge check to

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Speaker 8: make him go away in all likelihood, which means that

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Speaker 8: the Broncos will be looking for, you know, probably a

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Speaker 8: quarterback in the second or third round. Maybe they make

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Speaker 8: a play in the draft, and I think that it's

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Speaker 8: gonna be tough for them. And then the guy I

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Speaker 8: look for is Jameis Winston. We know that Sean Payton

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Speaker 8: likes Jamis a lot. Jamis says he wants to be

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Speaker 8: a starter that could be a good, low cost kind

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Speaker 8: of bridge option for the Broncos. So yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 8: if you know, the easy play for the Broncos, considering

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Speaker 8: how much money they're paying Russell Wilson is to keep him.

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Speaker 8: But it just goes to show you how ready they

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Speaker 8: are to move on from him.

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Speaker 2: Ben Villin, Ben, you're the best man. Have a great weekend.

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Speaker 2: Really appreciate you.

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Speaker 8: Join us all right, guys, thanks a lot.

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Speaker 2: a Tari Khaliko vision guy. I don't know if he

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Speaker 2: got a Sega Genesis or Nintendo sixty four or do

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Speaker 2: you guys remember the Sony Dreamcast?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, could could pull because I didn't remember it up

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Speaker 9: until you said it, right, So I mean, like, if

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Speaker 9: you name a system, I've had it and I've played it.

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Speaker 2: Like the greatest thing about having a son is that

657
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Speaker 2: they still played Madden and they're gonna be better than

658
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Speaker 2: you very very quickly. Like any video game you like,

659
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Speaker 2: your kid is going to be better than you added

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Speaker 2: really quickly. And oh yeah, by the way, like Madden

661
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Speaker 2: is the one kind of universal everybody plays and we

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Speaker 2: all played, so at least we can function Like I

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Speaker 2: remember playing video games my dad, Like, let me say

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Speaker 2: that thing. How does this work? You know? Why do

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Speaker 2: you guys always want the secret worlds on on on

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00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 2: souper on on Mario Brothers. Who is Zelda? Right? I

667
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 2: don't know who Zelda is? Dad, just go with it.

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Speaker 2: He just it was like a foreign contraption. We're now

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Speaker 2: like the MUD's a little different maybe whatever, so ea

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Speaker 2: sports and like again our age everybody's like man Tech

671
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Speaker 2: Mobil was the best. Tech Mobil was the best. But

672
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Speaker 2: EA Sports is coming back out with the College Football

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Speaker 2: Game next year, and then the truth is, like I'll

674
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 2: just the football game was never at the level of Madden.

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Speaker 2: But why we all had it was one personally, you

676
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 2: could run option football, right, that was yes, you couldn't

677
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 2: do option in the NFL. You could do option in

678
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Speaker 2: the college football game. And then you had the fight songs,

679
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 2: you had the schools right, it was kind of it

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Speaker 2: was kind of cool.

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Speaker 4: And in the in the advanced versions, not the Sega Genesis,

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Speaker 4: but in the advanced versions, recruiting, yeah, you could have

683
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Speaker 4: dynasties or and just keep on playing.

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Speaker 2: So are they gonna have nil budgets and all that

685
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Speaker 2: other stuff they're gonna have you buy out of your contract?

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Speaker 3: They should.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna have the crazy booster who like promises that

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00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 2: they're gonna buy a quarterback you and then the quarterback

689
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 2: plays poorly two or three weeks in they stop paying them,

690
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Speaker 2: So then the quarterback won't show up to practice. He's

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Speaker 2: not getting paid.

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you what I know that Like ESPN has

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00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 4: got their prints all over, it's all their voices, but

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Speaker 4: you could put different Networks. You could put Fox, you

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00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 4: could put Gus and Joel Klatt on.

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Speaker 3: There if you wanted to.

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Speaker 2: Uh you can, yeah, you can. And And by the way,

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Speaker 2: I having I have friends that that that do several

699
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 2: of those games and different voices, and they'll all say like, man,

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Speaker 2: it's all it's actually a lot of work, but it's

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00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,240
Speaker 2: really cool. And they don't pay a ton. It's again

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00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 2: more of the honor of that's your voice. The still

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00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 2: get paid, sure, but they get paid. And if you

704
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 2: knew how much work it goes into calling every single

705
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 2: possible option, saying every possible word that could be said

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00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 2: in a video game, you'd be like, yeah, I'm not.

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Speaker 3: Sure I do that. AI could change that. That's true

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Speaker 3: next few years.

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00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 2: That's true.

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00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, very true, very true.

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Speaker 2: The College Football Players Association, what is the College Wall

712
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 2: Players Association? By the way, it's a union that doesn't

713
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 2: actually have members whatever anyway, which in the past has

714
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 2: urged players to reject the offer, issued a statement on

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Speaker 2: x in response to this news. So the news is

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Speaker 2: that EA Sports has offered six hundred dollars to all

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Speaker 2: college fall players to use their name, image, and likeness

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Speaker 2: on the game. Oh yeah, and we're gonna throw in

719
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Speaker 2: a video game. The CFB players get a video game

720
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Speaker 2: instead of royalties. The athletes of the second most popular

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Speaker 2: sport in America are being treated like children video games

722
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Speaker 2: instead of cash. Now, first of all, if we're honest,

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Speaker 2: college football is I do not believe anybody would consider

724
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Speaker 2: it the second most popular sport. Don't get me wrong.

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00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 2: The ratings for the championship games have been high, and

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Speaker 2: they'll with the new College wall Playoff. I'm sure they'll

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00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: those games, but it's not considered. There's not a metric

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Speaker 2: that's outside of Hey, if you just pool one game

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Speaker 2: versus one NBA playoff game, whatever, it's not more popular

730
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Speaker 2: than the NBA. And you know, again, it's all about

731
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Speaker 2: how you skew the numbers. But the point is that

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Speaker 2: they're like, this is a child's wage. I don't think

733
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Speaker 2: people understand how these things work, right. This is real name,

734
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Speaker 2: image and likeness. This is what happens when you pull

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Speaker 2: it all together. It's the same thing, by the way,

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Speaker 2: that happens in a real union. Right. The people that

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Speaker 2: don't really have value get more than their worth, and

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Speaker 2: the people that have some value get a little bit

739
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Speaker 2: less than their worth. But I just I'll just ask you, Dan,

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Speaker 2: you're a huge college football fan, gigantic, big Ohio State

741
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Speaker 2: fan from the state of Wisconsin. Just giving people who

742
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Speaker 2: don't Okay, good, okay, how many college fall player for

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Speaker 2: next year?

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Speaker 4: Can you name probably about ten just off the top

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Speaker 4: of my head?

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Speaker 2: How may the play for Ohio State?

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Speaker 3: Right? Fair enough?

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Speaker 2: Like I can name the quarterback of Mile Monter because

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Speaker 2: he's coming back, I think for a seventh year, the

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Speaker 2: quarterback of Texas. And that's about it. Because I don't

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Speaker 2: know where anybody is going to be or what uniform

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Speaker 2: they're wearing. You know, most of them, I believe are

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Speaker 2: transferring to Ohio State or coaching for Ohao State. That's

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Speaker 2: all I know. Like they people, they think they legitimately

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Speaker 2: have value on their own.

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Speaker 4: And this is what the market actually looks like. This

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Speaker 4: is the other part of it is. I don't think

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Speaker 4: that they were were given the game Doug as value.

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Speaker 4: I think they were given the game to be like,

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Speaker 4: you know what, you're in the game. Guess what here

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Speaker 4: is your game? Yes, if you want to put that

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Speaker 4: in a plaque, if you want to put that, you

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Speaker 4: know on your mantle. Would you rather have the seventy

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Speaker 4: dollars that you know that six hundred and seventy dollars

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Speaker 4: and not get a game. They're doing it for value.

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Speaker 4: They're saying, thanks for being a part of this. This

767
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 4: is yours right right, and you know you do.

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Speaker 2: And you're like, well, they should get a direct Like

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Speaker 2: that's not what a direct cut is. Why should they

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Speaker 2: get a They're not going to get a revenue share?

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Speaker 1: Just not.

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Speaker 2: By the way, do you know the biggest expense for

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Speaker 2: that video game, it's not even obviously development and those

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Speaker 2: computers and all the game developers have to get paid

775
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Speaker 2: and the marketing has to be done. Although we market

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Speaker 2: for them right now, we're marketing for the game.

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Speaker 3: You're welcome.

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Speaker 2: The bags suspense so is they have to pay the

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Speaker 2: universities for their logos and fight songs just, by the way,

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Speaker 2: have more value.

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Speaker 4: Twenty years ago, payers would have played, the players would

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Speaker 4: have paid to get in the game.

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Speaker 2: Yes, look, I'm on there's an NCAA March Madness game.

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Speaker 2: I'm on it. My skin tone is wrong, but I'll

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Speaker 2: take it. And it's a lot like me. Would I

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Speaker 2: love to have my name on the game? Sure? Did

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Speaker 2: I think I I But it's like an honor, kind

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Speaker 2: of like the All Star Game, though we don't really

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Speaker 2: know how to take honors anymore. We don't feel honored

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Speaker 2: by honors. I'm Dog Gottliebees, Dan Byer. We're in for

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Speaker 2: Dan to dan Etes an interesting story in the NFL.

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