1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and. 3 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Coast to Coast George Norri with your 4 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 2: award winning filmmaker and UFO researcher Dean Aliotto with us 5 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 2: has produced numerous specials for A and E Bravo Discovery, 6 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 2: as well as consulting on successful James Fox UFO documentary 7 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 2: The Phenomenon. Dean was featured in the paramount and documentary 8 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 2: Unknown Decisions and the Story of Paranormal Activity as the 9 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 2: creator of the first ever found footage of the movie, 10 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 2: the McPherson tape in the upn TV movie Alien Abduction 11 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 2: Incident in Lake County. Dean recently completed a seven year 12 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 2: filmmaking journey spanning four countries and more than sixty interviews 13 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:49,599 Speaker 2: for his documentaries The Alien Perspective. In the newly released 14 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 2: Life Beyond Earth, Dean, welcome to the program. You're pretty prolific, 15 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 2: my friend. 16 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 3: Boy, George, thank you for having me. Just hearing that 17 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 3: has made me exhausted and I think I need to 18 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 3: check my blood pressure because your last guest was talking 19 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 3: about whe's sixty not good. So yeah, it's been a journey. 20 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 2: How many documentaries have you produced all kinds? 21 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I've done documentaries for A and E, Bravo Discovery, 22 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 3: like historical things, World War Two, Billy the Kid, Lizzie Borden, 23 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 3: and so this just felt like, all right, I want 24 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,199 Speaker 3: to take something that I'm really interested in and folded 25 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 3: into documentaries as well as the independent films that I made. 26 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 3: But I had no idea, zero idea that it would 27 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 3: end up being this seven year journey. 28 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 2: That's fantastic, And how you how's your perspective on your documentaries? 29 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 2: What was the theme? 30 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 3: Well, there have been so many documentaries on this that 31 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 3: sometimes the best thing to do, I know as a 32 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 3: filmmaker is to look at what everyone else is doing 33 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 3: and then run the opposite way. And so for me, 34 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 3: rather than look at this from the human's perspective, which 35 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 3: a lot of great docs have done, I wanted to 36 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 3: look at it, even as a hypothetical, from the alien's 37 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 3: point of view. And so because of that, and because 38 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 3: I'd done science documentaries before, I was able to pull 39 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 3: in people who normally don't talk about UFOs or aliens 40 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 3: as a hypothesis. It allowed me to get them, and 41 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 3: so that's how we got Mitchell Kalku. We got the 42 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 3: Nick Bostrom out of Oxford, the creator of the reality 43 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 3: hypothesis that we're living in a similated reality. Yeah, that's 44 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 3: kind of how that all created itself. It just kind 45 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 3: of grabbed me and said, here we go. 46 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 2: Well, it's very novel and unique and extremely clever. 47 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 3: Well done, thank you, thank you. Yeah. Well it was 48 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 3: funny because when I started out, I thought, well, I'm 49 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 3: going to do this in nine months and I'll do 50 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,519 Speaker 3: fifteen interviews and that'll be it. And so you know, 51 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 3: anytime you start with a doc, you want to have 52 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 3: the door and you want to be agnostic about whatever 53 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 3: subject that you're discussing or going into and delving into. 54 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 3: And so with this, I went into it. And then 55 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 3: it became like this virus where I went to NASA 56 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 3: and I said, hey, what happens when you find that planet? 57 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 3: And I'm talking to the deputy of the Test Program, 58 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 3: which was the next it was. It was right before 59 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 3: the James Web Telescope when they were looking for other 60 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 3: planets in the Goldilocks District area, and I said, hey, 61 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 3: what happens when you find that planet that maybe has 62 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 3: a dice in sphere around it or has a grid 63 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 3: of a city. What then, what is your plan once 64 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 3: you find that civilization that is intelligent and like us, 65 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 3: what happens? And she got the giggles and she said, 66 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 3: I don't know, we don't have a plan. And so 67 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 3: that started everything. From that point on, it was like, 68 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 3: all right, now I've got to figure out what we're doing, 69 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 3: and how does that factor in too being able to 70 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 3: eventually find out what their perspective would be and be 71 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 3: able to communicate with them again as a hypothetical. But 72 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 3: it just went on and on, and so I met SETI, 73 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 3: and then I met the Carl Sagan Institute, talking to 74 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 3: doctor Lisa Kaltenator, who's the new director of the Carl 75 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 3: Sagan Institute, and it just again it went from one 76 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 3: person to another, and here I am sixty seven interviews. 77 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 3: You know into it. 78 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 2: What did you learn that you did not know prior 79 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 2: to doing the documentaries? 80 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 3: Oh, that one's easy. I learned that I don't know anything. 81 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 3: I had preconceived ideas. And then it's kind of like 82 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 3: the Beatles. I'm a big fan of the Beatles. And 83 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 3: when you start out, usually you go right to George. 84 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 3: He's the kind of Gateway Drug to the Beatles, and 85 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 3: then you go to John and so I'm gonna call 86 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 3: I'm gonna call Paul, excuse me, Paul's the first when 87 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 3: you go to Paul, Paul is that they're from another planet. 88 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 3: And then you go to John and John is there 89 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 3: might be another from another dimension, and then you know, 90 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 3: then you go to George and George is like, well, 91 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 3: they could be from the future. And so all these 92 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 3: theories you keep jumping on and you chase those viciously 93 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 3: and you get as much as you can. And for me, 94 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 3: the biggest challenge of this documentary is I know that 95 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 3: it's going to be seen by people like me, and 96 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 3: I'm like, show me the money. I've seen all these 97 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 3: documentaries before, show me something I haven't seen before. But 98 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 3: at the same time, I want to pull people in 99 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 3: who are I like to buy UFO curious, who want 100 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 3: to be able to catch up with what we've been 101 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 3: doing for a long time. And so I had to 102 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 3: serve kind of two masters. And so each episode each 103 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 3: doc has a couple or a few mic drops, and 104 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 3: so along the way I would seek out to find those, 105 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 3: and I would find those. But it really took me 106 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 3: being removing rather everything that I thought that I knew 107 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 3: about the phenomenon and say okay, I know nothing, let's 108 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,919 Speaker 3: start from scratch. And helping me along the way was 109 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 3: everyone from you know, like I said, Mitchell Kalku, Leslie Kine, 110 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 3: David Chalmers, n YU philosophy professor, I mean, just a 111 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 3: whole litany of great minds, much much greater than mine. 112 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 2: It's almost like the History Channels ancient aliens in a 113 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 2: documentary form. 114 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, which you know again, there have been so 115 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 3: many great documentaries out there that have been done that 116 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 3: have hit these some of the same trail. You have 117 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 3: to work really hard to go off and to do that. 118 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 3: And so when I see something that's like, oh, we've 119 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 3: done that before, I run the other way. And so 120 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 3: you're going to see things that you haven't seen before. 121 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 3: But as an example, what I haven't seen before is 122 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 3: I've not seen the tic Tac incident, the one that 123 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 3: started at all, the one that the New York Times brought 124 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 3: out and reinvigorated the whole field. And when I look 125 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 3: at that footage, I don't know about you, but when 126 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 3: I first saw the footage, I looked at this little 127 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 3: hashmark moving back and forth, and the first thing I 128 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 3: thought was, I've seen this before. This is Atari's pong. 129 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 3: We have that little white thing. We'll be back and forth, 130 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 3: and I'm like, that's not going to work from my 131 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 3: slightly dyslexic brain. I need to visually see it. And 132 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 3: so because of that, I went and I reached out 133 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 3: to the guy who did the animation for the Oscar 134 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 3: winning film Searching for Sugarman, and I said, I need 135 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 3: you to put us in the cockpit of Commander Dave 136 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 3: Fraver's jet. I want to see it from perspectives I've 137 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 3: not seen before. And so with that animation done in 138 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 3: several different stories, whether it's the Sacaro, New Mexico, or 139 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 3: the tic Tech incident or the Renlscham forest, it brought 140 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 3: all of those cases to life because I was able 141 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 3: to look at it from a perspective that we've never 142 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 3: been able to look at it before, literally visually, and 143 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 3: so that uncovered a lot of things that were surprises 144 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 3: for me. 145 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 2: What did you think of the police officer Lonnie Zamora's 146 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 2: case on Sacoro, New Mexico, which you handled in the documentary. 147 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 3: There are a few cases that I point to whenever 148 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 3: someone says, really, is this actually going on? Lonnie Zamora's 149 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 3: case is right up there, like number one. That case 150 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 3: is great because I and I put in the documentary. 151 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 3: As you can see, the animation is done under Lonnie 152 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 3: Zamore's actual first interview that was on a local radio show. 153 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 3: In fact, after he tells his story, he's interrupted by 154 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 3: the military coming in and he says, I'm sorry, I 155 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 3: got to go. The military's here, and the host of 156 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 3: the radio show is going, please, please, can you promise 157 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 3: to come back and tell us what you learned? 158 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:01,959 Speaker 2: Fish? 159 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 3: He never did. You got to finish it. It's the 160 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 3: worst nightmare. But that case is terrific. Where you have 161 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 3: this very well respected police officer who's out there and 162 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 3: he's following this one car and then he sees something else, 163 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 3: and so he's pulled from what he would normally be doing. 164 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 3: It wasn't like he was seeking it. It wasn't like 165 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 3: he was in the UFOs or aliens really before then. 166 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 3: And he goes out and he sees this craft that's 167 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 3: already landed, and he sees these little people and as 168 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 3: he describes in his own voice, he says, you know, 169 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 3: these were small beings and these coveralls, and he says, 170 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 3: you saw these people. The radio host says, so you 171 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 3: saw these people, these three people, and he goes, I 172 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 3: wouldn't call them people. So, you know, a CoP's job 173 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 3: is to be able to have excellent recall. You know why, 174 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 3: because they've got to write those reports, which they hate, 175 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 3: and so they make sure they have everything down. And 176 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 3: everything that he wrote was insanely just fantastical. He sees 177 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 3: these three beans, they look at him, they get into 178 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 3: the craft and they take off and it has this 179 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 3: powerful surge as it pulls away, and then it's almost 180 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 3: like it kicks into some kind of anti gravity and 181 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 3: takes off. And he didn't want to see this. He 182 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 3: did not want to see this, and when we reported 183 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 3: it was begrudgingly done, and years later he was like, yeah, 184 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 3: I kind of wish I never did that. So that case, 185 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 3: I wanted to be with him on the bluff as 186 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 3: he's looking down and he's looking across and he's singing 187 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:38,839 Speaker 3: that UFO and what it looked like. And by the way, 188 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 3: a lot of people think the craft was kind of 189 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 3: like an egg, you know, and it's not vertical. It 190 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 3: was horizontal. In fact, there's a possibility. It could have 191 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 3: been more shaped like the tic. 192 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 2: Taclanie Zamora died sixteen years ago, but his story so 193 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 2: convinced doctor j Ellen Heinek, who was heading up Project 194 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 2: Blue Book at the time, that it turned him from 195 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 2: the non believer to a believer. It changed his life. 196 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 3: Completely. I mean the thing about Jalen Heineck and I 197 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 3: have his son in the uh Paul second documentary, Paul Heinek, Yeah, 198 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 3: the second documentary that just came on on Amazon, Life 199 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 3: Beyond Earth. He Jalen Heinech, he was, he was, Heinich 200 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 3: was very There's there's a hubris that you have when 201 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 3: you work in the sciences, and that's that I can 202 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,079 Speaker 3: prove things, and if I can't prove them, that I'm 203 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 3: not going to spend time doing that. And this was 204 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 3: something that he could not prove. But he realized that 205 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 3: this did happen, and so for him, he had to 206 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 3: make that leap. He had to make that crossover because 207 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 3: he didn't want to be some disinformation agent and that's 208 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 3: where he was being forced into doing and and to 209 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 3: underscore these cases and and you know, the cases that 210 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 3: he got were not always some of the juiciest cases. 211 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 3: By the way, those went to other divisions in DD. 212 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 3: So that was a big, big moment for him. And 213 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 3: then at that moment he had to reconfigure everything. That's 214 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 3: that should be its own movie. Actually, yeah, really fascinating case, 215 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 3: but that one's yeah. I was born a month almost 216 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 3: directly to the day after after the landing happened in 217 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 3: the So Carlo, New Mexico. It's a great case. 218 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 2: Did you ever have a chance to interview Stanton Friedman 219 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:32,959 Speaker 2: before he died? 220 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 3: Kind of? So I did this UPN's It was UPN's 221 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 3: first TV movie called Alien Abduction Incident in Lake County, 222 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 3: and that was about a family that gets abducted by extraterrestrials. 223 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 3: This is nineteen ninety eight. It came out when we 224 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 3: were up in Canada shooting it with the guys from 225 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 3: the X Files who do the ship in Aliens. Everyone 226 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 3: got fired at UPN. So when we came back, we 227 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 3: got fired and they took this two hour TV movie 228 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 3: that cut it down to an hour and they added 229 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 3: some interviews and one of those interviews was Stanton Freeman, 230 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,839 Speaker 3: And so they did something really sneaky, really not cool, 231 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 3: which is they interviewed him in general about the phenomenon, 232 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 3: and then they intercut that almost like he was talking 233 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 3: about my movie. And it really angered me and the 234 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 3: DGM a part of the Director's Guild of America, and 235 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 3: they went after them upn and got a little bit 236 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:38,199 Speaker 3: of a settlement. Years later, I am going to the 237 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 3: International UFO Congress Convention and the very first podcast that 238 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,959 Speaker 3: I do was for Martin Willis Podcast UFO and singing 239 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 3: across from me was Stanton Freeman. So I said to him, Oh, good, 240 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 3: I get to do me a coulpan, say, hey, I 241 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 3: had nothing to do with that. I'm so sorry. And 242 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 3: he looked at me and turned his head kind of 243 00:13:56,240 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 3: like a dog does you know when they're curious, and goes, yeah, 244 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 3: do you know how many shows I've been on? I 245 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 3: have no memory of this whatsoever, So just let it go. 246 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 3: It's all good, you know, welcome to the club. So 247 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 3: he was a sweet man, very sorry to see him go. 248 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 2: He was my first radio interview in nineteen seventy one. Dean, Oh, 249 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 2: I didn't know that, not only that, listen to this. 250 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 2: I was the last person to interview him when he died. 251 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 2: What he was my first interview in nineteen seventy one 252 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 2: in Detroit. He came to speak and then he was 253 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 2: on our studio stage in Columbus, Ohio. Was on his 254 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 2: way back through the Toronto Airport and had a heart attack. 255 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 2: But I was so was. He was my first interview 256 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 2: and I was the last guy to interview him. Can 257 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 2: you believe that? 258 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 3: Wow? No, I didn't know, so you basically book ended. 259 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 2: I book ended, That's right, Yeah, wow, yeah, he was. 260 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:07,239 Speaker 3: What I loved most about him is he made no apologies. 261 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 3: He's like I call him flying saucers. I'm not going 262 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 3: to call them UAPs or UFOs or flying saucers. To me, 263 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 3: he was old school, but he had this integrity about 264 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 3: him that only a few still share. 265 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 2: And he was exciting to listen to. Oh yeah, yeah, 266 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 2: what did you learn by the two documentaries, The Alien 267 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 2: Perspective and Life Beyond Earth. 268 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 3: It's funny because I'm a sci fi writer, and you know, 269 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 3: my first film was sci fi. It was called The 270 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 3: McPherson Tape originally was called UFO Abduction, and which was 271 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 3: done in like nineteen eighty nine, and so I've been 272 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 3: at this a long time, and so for me, science 273 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 3: fiction is always feeding off of science or feeding off 274 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 3: of what we predict. I mean, sci fi writers are 275 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 3: are in their best in the best, in their best work. 276 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 3: They are profits like H. G. Wells who writes going 277 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 3: about going to the Moon and how they'll be booster 278 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 3: rockets and stuff, and he writes this in the late 279 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 3: eighteen hundreds. So every time I would be working on 280 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 3: an angle to these documentaries, I would go, oh, maybe 281 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 3: it's just like this, and I would discover no, no, no, 282 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 3: it's next level. So when I'm interviewing someone like doctor 283 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 3: Nick Bostrom, who created the simulation reality hypothesis that we're 284 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 3: living in a simulation, I'm interviewing him and I'm thinking 285 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 3: he's just going to talk about the idea that we 286 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 3: could be part of a you know, simulation, and he says, no, no, no, 287 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:46,479 Speaker 3: I'm saying that we were created by aliens, this program 288 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 3: that we're all living in. And I'm like, wait, this 289 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 3: guy's from Oxford, he's a smart guy, and he's saying 290 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 3: he doesn't know it, but he believes it. And so 291 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 3: that's a distinction that I always want to make. People say, 292 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 3: oh I know this, I know that, and I go, okay, 293 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 3: do you know it or you'd believe it. I have 294 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 3: a lot of beliefs, but the nones, there's only a 295 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 3: few of those, and those are very precious. And that 296 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 3: was one where he says he just he felt like 297 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 3: we are there's signs that were in the matrix, and 298 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 3: so that was really interesting. And then with the second one, 299 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 3: Life Beyond Earth, Dinah Pasoka is our main featured interview 300 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 3: there and she opens up about the Vatican and how 301 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:39,199 Speaker 3: the Vatican has had an extraterrestrial program for decades. I 302 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 3: don't know about you. I had no idea about that, 303 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 3: and that she was one of the only women academia 304 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 3: who were allowed to go into the Vatican's secret library. 305 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 2: Hit it up by Father Balducci. 306 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 3: I think, yes, yes, And so to look at that 307 00:17:56,040 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 3: and go, okay, so maybe the Vatican, maybe the Church 308 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 3: learned that, you know, maybe Galileo was onto something, and 309 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 3: let's not get caught next time. And so we're going 310 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 3: to make sure that we have our own program. And so, 311 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 3: as you'll see in the documentary, they have several high 312 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 3: powered telescopes. I mean some of these telescopes at the 313 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 3: time that they were created were some of the best 314 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:25,959 Speaker 3: cutting edge telescopes all over the world, and so you know, 315 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:31,199 Speaker 3: that blew my mind. And then we got into I 316 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 3: don't it sounds fantastical, but non human intelligence downloads and 317 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 3: so all of those just went on and on and 318 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 3: next level. And at some point I can't tell when 319 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 3: these documentaries are done, it becomes that was the other thing. 320 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 3: It's like, how do I know? Because it was just 321 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 3: going to be one documentary. Then it ballooned up and 322 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:57,439 Speaker 3: became two, and it actually became four, and so the 323 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 3: other two are being worked. 324 00:18:58,520 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: One. 325 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 3: I can tell you that the next one is going 326 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 3: to be all about the experiencers. But these two it 327 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 3: you know, these documentaries get to a certain point, it's like, okay, 328 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 3: this this whole idea is kind of wrapped up in 329 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 3: what the thesis is. So the first one is where 330 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 3: do they come from? And so we focus on that 331 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 3: and that's the only perspective. 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