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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Psychology of Your Twenties,

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Speaker 1: the podcast where we talk through some of the big

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Speaker 1: life changes and transitions of our twenties and what they

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Speaker 1: mean for our psychology.

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Speaker 2: Hello everybody, Welcome back to the show. Welcome back to

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Speaker 2: the podcast. New listeners, old listeners, Wherever you are in

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Speaker 2: the world, it is just a delight to have you

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Speaker 2: back here for another episode, for a special episode as

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Speaker 2: we break down the psychology of our twenties. So today

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Speaker 2: we're talking about a subject that I get asked about

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Speaker 2: a whole lot, and that I think actually is one

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Speaker 2: of those core experiences that really defines our twenties, especially

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Speaker 2: for a lot of people who listen to this podcast.

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Speaker 2: It's travel, traveling the world, gap years, semesters, abroad, road trips,

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Speaker 2: your summers, sight seeing, solo traveling. These are all things

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Speaker 2: that are on I would say a lot of our

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Speaker 2: bucket list for those of us in our twenties, because

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Speaker 2: I think a real theme for this decade for many

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Speaker 2: of us is exploration and expansion and growth and having

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Speaker 2: as many experiences as possible, and travel just fits so

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Speaker 2: neatly into that. Travel just has such a magnetic pull

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Speaker 2: during this chapter of our life. You know, psychologists often

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Speaker 2: call our twenties like a developmental suite, spot for new

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Speaker 2: experiences and for experiences that are going to disrupt our

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Speaker 2: routine and expand our worldview. They say that this period

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Speaker 2: is when those opportunities are most formative. So if you

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Speaker 2: have the opportunity to travel and to see the world

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Speaker 2: or just to go to the next town over during

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Speaker 2: this decade, you should absolutely take it because you're going

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Speaker 2: to see so much benefit from something that is also

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Speaker 2: just probably very very enjoyable. You know, during this time

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Speaker 2: when we are trying to figure out who we are,

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Speaker 2: we're trying to figure out our career, we're trying to

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Speaker 2: figure out what kind of life we want to leave.

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Speaker 2: Travel really helps us in this process because it pulls

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Speaker 2: us out of familiar contexts, and it makes us see

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Speaker 2: times uncomfortable, and it challenges us, and it makes us

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Speaker 2: see that the world is large and expansive, and that's

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Speaker 2: really what we need to believe in our twenties in

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Speaker 2: order to I guess open doors for ourselves, in order

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Speaker 2: to explore all the different possibilities, you know, in everyday life,

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Speaker 2: the same routines, the same people. When we travel, whether

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Speaker 2: visiting a foreign country or whatever it is, we strip

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Speaker 2: away all of that normalcy, and in the absence of

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Speaker 2: and and kind of decide for ourselves that we are

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Speaker 2: and how we want to act, and how we want

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Speaker 2: to connect. I think on top of that, the reason

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Speaker 2: people love travel during this decade is, of course it's fun,

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Speaker 2: but it also just makes for really great and iconic

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Speaker 2: stories that we're going to pass down to our kids

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Speaker 2: home or wherever it is. They become like fibers that

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Speaker 2: So let's talk about the psychology of travel and why

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Speaker 2: traveling actually is one of the best things we can

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Speaker 2: do for our development during this decade. Firstly, travel brings

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Speaker 2: about a profound sense of cognitive flexibility. Cognitive flexibility is

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Speaker 2: basically our ability to experience new things, new circumstances, new situations,

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Speaker 2: and problem solved despite never being exposed to them before.

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Speaker 2: It's basically our ability to adapt to new ways of

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Speaker 2: and it is heightened, in fact, through exposure to novel

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Speaker 2: A twenty ten study found that people who lived abroad

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Speaker 2: related to cognitive flexibility because when they were within this

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Speaker 2: out who we are without them. It's a period of individuation,

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Speaker 2: It does this by challenging what the psychologist Albert Bundura

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Speaker 2: it's our ability to trust that we can handle challenges. Basically,

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Speaker 2: we are that in a way that we can't always

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Speaker 2: it can be uncomfortable, you know, language barriers and long

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Speaker 2: psychological purpose in that they teach us resilience. They show

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Speaker 2: us that discomfort isn't something to fear, but something to

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Speaker 2: or stress inoculations. Essentially, when we experience challenges and when

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Speaker 2: because we have this evidence within us that we can

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Speaker 2: to be just fine. There is another beautiful outcome of

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Speaker 2: also broadens our sense of empathy. Social psychologists have for

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Speaker 2: a long long time known that exposure to diverse perspectives

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Speaker 2: you learn to respect that your way is not the

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Speaker 2: one that I think we could all obviously be enduring more,

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Speaker 2: and one that I think we could all agree more

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Speaker 2: Getting out into the world is a way to bring

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Speaker 2: people into this understanding. Also, you know, you build relationships.

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Speaker 2: We know that incidental intimacy and having joint experiences with

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Speaker 2: people that are tough or really deep or emotional, incredible, profound,

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Speaker 2: they make the bond between you and another person even

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Speaker 2: you often feel a lot more freer to be vulnerable

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Speaker 2: in our life. They are anchor points for our sense

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Speaker 2: say this, perhaps one of the most beautiful things about

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Speaker 2: traveling in our twenties is that it does not have

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Speaker 2: to be grand and elaborate and expensive. There is undeniable

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Speaker 2: going on your dream trip, but actually some of the

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Speaker 2: most impactful experiences do come from smaller moments, like the

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Speaker 3: when they arrived, their ready score was lower. Their sleep

438
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Speaker 3: score dropped by nearly twenty points on their or ring.

439
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 3: I like to say by top sleep score ever in

440
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Speaker 3: my orro ring was on ninety four, so dropping to

441
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Speaker 3: seventy four would be pretty dramatic for me.

442
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Speaker 2: YEA.

443
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 3: Their activity score was high, so even though they were

444
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 3: sleep deprived, tired, they still got out and did a

445
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Speaker 3: lot of physical activities that was on average as high

446
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 3: or not higher than what they were doing at their home.

447
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 2: And here's the thing. I feel like when you're in

448
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Speaker 2: your twenties and thirties and when you're younger, it's like,

449
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,719
Speaker 2: I want to get every single little thing out of

450
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 2: this experience. Like if I've flown first class, which that's

451
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 2: like a I would yeah bucket LIS's item. If I've

452
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 2: flown first class and I'm in this beautiful city, who

453
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 2: cares if I'm jet lacked, Like, I'm going to go

454
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 2: and have pastries, and I'm going to go shopping, and

455
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 2: I'm going to go see the museums like you bet.

456
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 2: And then it's like day two and you're like, I

457
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 2: need to sleep for the next twenty four hours or

458
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 2: I'm not going to hear a zombie. And you were

459
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 2: talking to me earlier, like we were talking the other

460
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Speaker 2: day about how you can kind of have the best

461
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Speaker 2: of both worlds. Yeah, some of the stratag gs that

462
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 2: we can kind of adopt to land to have our

463
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 2: readiness score higher, maybe our sleep score a little bit lower,

464
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 2: but not as low as as it has to be.

465
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Speaker 2: Particularly I remember you talking about the importance of understanding

466
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Speaker 2: your circadian rhythm. Can you expand on that a little bit?

467
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the circadian rhythm is your own biological

468
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 3: clock for a twenty four hour day night cycle. And

469
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Speaker 3: if you think back in time before we had electricity

470
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Speaker 3: and lights, that circadian rhythm was driven by daylight or sunlight,

471
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Speaker 3: and everybody was on the same circadian rhythm.

472
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Speaker 4: No one flew anywhere, but.

473
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Speaker 3: Everybody was on the same day night cycle or circadian rhythm.

474
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Speaker 3: But as you think about the advances in our society

475
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Speaker 3: and community, No, we invented electricity, we invented lights, we

476
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 3: invented computers, we invented windows or rooms without windows that

477
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 3: completely disrupted our circadian rhythms. And if you think about

478
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Speaker 3: or travel, does you and I, although you live in

479
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Speaker 3: Australia and I live in Atlanta, we have our own

480
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 3: circadian rhythms of day night, when we're supposed to be awake,

481
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Speaker 3: when we sleep and get all activities done. And when

482
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Speaker 3: you travel to a different times on this six hours apart.

483
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 3: You may be physically in Copenhagen, but physiologically your body's

484
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 3: function and your brain function is not at the same

485
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 3: time that your body physically is there. So there's a

486
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 3: separation between your physical person in Copenhagen and your physiologic person.

487
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 3: Everything that you know and you do and how you

488
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 3: think and how much energy you have and how much

489
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Speaker 3: focus you have is still in Atlanta. But there are

490
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 3: things you can do to accelerate that conversion to a

491
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Speaker 3: times on this six hours different and the things that

492
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Speaker 3: you can do that make it worse. And those are

493
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Speaker 3: the things I think we can talk about that are

494
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Speaker 3: science based that would help a traveler arrive refreshed and

495
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 3: convert to that time zone faster.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is what I need to know because

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Speaker 2: I've got to say, You're going to be mad at me, Henry.

498
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Speaker 2: But when I get on a plane, I I'm I'm

499
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Speaker 2: having my melotone and gummies and I'm also having a

500
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Speaker 2: glass of wine. That's probably not the right thing to do,

501
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Speaker 2: can you, Because I know, like the biggest one is

502
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Speaker 2: like avoid set of lives, avoid alcohol. Why is that

503
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Speaker 2: so important to do? Because I feel like a lot

504
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 2: of us are like, well, I want to adjust. So

505
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Speaker 2: I'm going to, you know, try and push myself to

506
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 2: sleep faster on the plane or delay sleep when I

507
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 2: get there. What's wrong with it with the set of

508
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Speaker 2: lives and the alcohol in this situation.

509
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well you said it right. The sedatives, the gummies,

510
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 3: the alcohol. They may actually make you tired and have

511
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 3: you fall asleep, but it's not restorative RESTful sleep. We

512
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Speaker 3: know that the restorative RESTful sleep is your REM sleep,

513
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 3: rapid eye boom a sleep, as well as your deep sleep.

514
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 3: And believe it or not, sedatives and hypnotics like melatonin,

515
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 3: ambient valium, or the gummies, they actually cause sleep, but

516
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 3: not the right sleep. They don't adduce the deep sleep

517
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 3: and the REM sleep. So even though you've been asleep

518
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 3: for five hours eight hours, you're not rested because your

519
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 3: body gets restorative RESTful sleep with the deep sleep and

520
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 3: REM sleep. And that's why the ambient, the valuum, the alcohol,

521
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 3: those are actually bad for you, you know. And some people,

522
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 3: I'll take it to the next level. Some people arrive

523
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 3: on scene and get their ivy fluid infusions. And the

524
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 3: fluids could be yellow, blue, and green. That might rehydrate

525
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 3: you and make you feel temporarily better. What I worry

526
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Speaker 3: about why the fluid is green, blue, and yellow and

527
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 3: what additives are in there? But two, it doesn't really

528
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 3: restore the body. It makes you feel temporarily better, so

529
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 3: you can do that activity, but it doesn't really restore

530
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 3: your body physically, just to get a leader of IV fluid.

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Speaker 2: So what you're saying is we're doing all these things

532
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 2: thinking and helping, but what we should really be doing

533
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 2: is what should we be doing in terms of resinking

534
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 2: our circadian rhythm?

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00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 4: Yeah?

536
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, so those give you a short term benefit, but

537
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 3: there's probably a long term cost your pain, right because

538
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 3: you'll probably arrive home needing a vacation from your vacation

539
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 3: and to get more rest before you can re enter

540
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 3: your work life. So let's get back to this circadian rhythm.

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Speaker 3: Light is important. We know that blue wavelength light is

542
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 3: what stimulates your brain and the receptors in your retina

543
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 3: to be alert and active for your daytime activities. We

544
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 3: know that it's not just any blue cutter light. There's

545
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 3: a specific wavelength of blue light that particularly informs your

546
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 3: brain that says, hey, it's daytime, it's time to be

547
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 3: awake and stimulate you to be alert and active and

548
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 3: have energy. And there's an opposite spectrum of light that's

549
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 3: a red orange wavelength that starts telling your brain and

550
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 3: the receptition red. Now to relax, to decrease your energy

551
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 3: level on your alertness, and to prepare for sleep. And

552
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 3: that's what you get if all you're exposed to was

553
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 3: sunlight without computers, iPads, iPhones and light bulbs. And how

554
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 3: do we then convert that time using light as a

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00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 3: key component. So one technology or product I like to

556
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 3: talk about that we've used is something called skyview lighting.

557
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 3: This is not just colored lighting. Skyview lighting actually is

558
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 3: a specific light that transmits a color that's blue wavelength specifically.

559
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 4: For alertness the day.

560
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 3: And you can actually program it on your app to

561
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 3: time it for the day in Copenhagen, Seattle, or Atlanta

562
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 3: or Australia. But then it automatically realizes the twenty four

563
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 3: hour cycle and changes the color to red and orange

564
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 3: tore pare you for sleep. So that it's something you

565
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 3: can do to almost tell your brain when it's daylight

566
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 3: and when it's nighttime and do it with light as

567
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 3: opposed to sunlight. Now, the science behind this is quite fascinating.

568
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 3: I'm sure you'd be interested in it. This company was

569
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 3: started by scientists that used to work at NASA physicists

570
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 3: and they realize that in the International Space Station, which

571
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 3: orbits the Earth, the day night cycle of sunrise and

572
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,720
Speaker 3: sunset is ninety minutes, and their windows on the space

573
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 3: station which can't be closed, so you're experiencing day and

574
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Speaker 3: night every ninety minutes. And there's a crew of ten

575
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Speaker 3: astronauts who are expected to work in harmony and synchrony

576
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 3: to maintain the space station and do the research they're doing,

577
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 3: and they have to be on the same circadian rhythm.

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00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 3: One person can't be asleep while the other person is

579
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 3: ready to do the experiments or the research. What they

580
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 3: found is, without any intervention, the astronauts were becoming one

581
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 3: to two hours per day separated in their circadian rhythm

582
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 3: as every day went by. And what they also found

583
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 3: was seventy eighty percent of the astronauts were taking medications

584
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 3: for sleep because they were trying to get sleep at

585
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 3: the same time. But what they did was they put

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Speaker 3: the skyview light in the space station, and with thirty

587
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 3: minutes of exposure to that light every single day, they

588
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 3: can keep the ten astronauts on the same circadian rhythm

589
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 3: day and night, so they can be functional, alert and active,

590
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 3: working as a team, if you will, working as a

591
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 3: fully functional team. This kind of lighting has also been

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00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 3: useful for submarines in the military, right because if you're

593
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 3: in the submarine and you're actually deployed underneath the water

594
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 3: for two months with no daylight or sunlight, this at

595
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 3: least tells your brain this is daytime and now this

596
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 3: is nighttime, and keeps the entire crew of three hundred

597
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 3: submriners to be working as a team, as a functional

598
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 3: single team. And the last group where this has been

599
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 3: shown to be particularly effective is in places like Alaska

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00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 3: where in the winter you have twenty three hours of

601
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 3: night and we know that prolonged nighttime or prolonged darkness

602
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,919
Speaker 3: can lead to seasonal effective disorders, that people can get

603
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 3: mental health issues. So having this light be exposed to

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00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 3: it and have the exposure to an artificial sunlight was very,

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00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 3: very useful. I can tell you that those are the

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00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 3: scientific basis of how this skyview light has been used. Today,

607
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 3: we've got sports teams like the New York Mets having

608
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,280
Speaker 3: this in their locker room so that all their players

609
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,720
Speaker 3: can be fresh and learn ready when the game starts.

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00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, so what you're saying to me is like, if

611
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 2: you want to fly better, you need to start really

612
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 2: understanding the power of light, right Yeah.

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00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 3: So, uh, you know, we are working with Skyview right now,

614
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 3: Delta's partner with Skyview to try to get a miniaturized

615
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 3: version of this light because the current lights are large,

616
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 3: they are overhead lights, they are large set slamps. But

617
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 3: we're working on a miniaturized version that's no bigger than

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00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 3: a small iPad that you can take with you as

619
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 3: carry on and you can put into your hotel room

620
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 3: or put into wherever you are, so you have exposure

621
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 3: to blue light and red orange light depending on circadian rhythm.

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00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 3: We're really excited about it because this can help you

623
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 3: convert your time and the different time zones faster. So

624
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 3: that hopefully will be ready for testing, and we're going

625
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 3: to test it with our crew and the next couple

626
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 3: of months and see if that works. I would like

627
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 3: to pivot actually to another company we've worn with, which

628
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 3: is called fount and fly Kit.

629
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 1: Have it.

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00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 4: You have one right here?

631
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 3: It's this and this is the product they sell, Fountain

632
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 3: fly k It. Again, this is interventions you can do

633
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 3: to try to convert your circadian rhythm faster. Right, So

634
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 3: if we do nothing, we'll probably convert to that six

635
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 3: to eight hour time zone difference over a matter of

636
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 3: two to four days, depending on how quickly you acclimate

637
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 3: and adjust. If you do the valume melatonin ambient and

638
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 3: gummies actually may delay it and take longer. This again,

639
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 3: like Skyview, is meant to try to decrease that conversion

640
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 3: to a matter of one or two days. So this

641
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 3: company was founded by some Navy Seals. You know, as

642
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 3: you think about the Navy Seals and our military, they

643
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 3: may need to deploy and they need that crew ready

644
00:38:54,320 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 3: to carry out their mission. And using supplements, they actually

645
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 3: look at your time zone. They have an app depending

646
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 3: on where you're flying, your specific fly, what time you're flying,

647
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 3: the time zone difference. When you arrive, their app tells

648
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 3: you when you take these supplements, which includes a mixture

649
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:20,240
Speaker 3: of magnesium, vitamin C, vitamin B six, vitamin B twelve,

650
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 3: as well as omega three fatty acids, really to help

651
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 3: your body adjust to that local time zone faster, and

652
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 3: they can actually show you how much you shifted. Within

653
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Speaker 3: the app. It also recommends when you should eat, what

654
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Speaker 3: you should eat, how much you should eat, and when

655
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 3: you should go to bed. Again, trying to help your body,

656
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 3: make that time zone conversion faster so you arrive ready,

657
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 3: refresh to enjoy your trip. And lastly, what they provide

658
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 3: in the kit is my favorite, which is these blue

659
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 3: blocker glasses. These blue blocker glasses essentially will block out

660
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 3: ninety nine percent of that blue light we talked about,

661
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 3: so if you put it down, everything looks like a

662
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Speaker 3: shade of orange. You've seen these being sold by other makers,

663
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Speaker 3: but these are well made. They block out ninety nine

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Speaker 3: percent of that blue wavelength light, so that when it's

665
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Speaker 3: nighttime and you're still on your iPad, your iPhone or

666
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Speaker 3: in your computer like you're now, you can put this

667
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Speaker 3: on and you can do your activity, but you're not

668
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Speaker 3: getting the blue wavelength light that's keeping you awake, alert

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Speaker 3: as of it's daytime. So with that combination, you're able

670
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Speaker 3: to convert your time so much faster. And the most

671
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Speaker 3: exciting thing that I think flight Kit are working on

672
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 3: is trying to create what we call a digital twin,

673
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Speaker 3: So creating a digital twin of Gemma so that we

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Speaker 3: know that this what is this digital twin's physiologic circadian

675
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Speaker 3: rhythm in Copenhagen, and how far is she deviated from

676
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Speaker 3: the actual time in Copenhagen versus the time in Australia.

677
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Speaker 4: Depending on where you want to be right, you can

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Speaker 4: set your time.

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Speaker 3: To I'm going to Australia tomorrow, I want to be

680
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Speaker 3: ready for Australia, or I'm Copenhagen for a week and

681
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Speaker 3: I want to be in the time zone of Copenhagen.

682
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Speaker 3: So that digital twin can tell you based on measurables

683
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 3: biometrics as well as if you've taken the supplements, if

684
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 3: you've done the exercises, if you've done the eating and sleeping,

685
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 3: where are you in terms of your conversion.

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Speaker 2: That is honestly amazing, And the fact that people haven't

687
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 2: done this sooner is shocking to me because I would

688
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 2: be I'm signing up for all of these things. I

689
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: like the light idea, like if I could pack that

690
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 2: in my carry on and that's going to save me

691
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 2: like a day of explore time, Like I'm doing that

692
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Speaker 2: in a heartbeat. And also the fact that you're saying

693
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 2: to me, like what we eat and when we choose

694
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Speaker 2: to sleep, even if it's like fifteen minutes earlier, can

695
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 2: make such profound shifts. I feel like it's going to

696
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 2: prevent us from going into travel and being like okay, cool,

697
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 2: So I've just lost two days when it's probably been

698
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 2: really expensive for me to get here, and this is

699
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Speaker 2: like a once in a lifetime trip, like you want

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Speaker 2: all of that time maximized. And I think it sorry

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Speaker 2: to make one final point because I'm kind of just

702
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Speaker 2: blown away by this. I think it also emphasizes that

703
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 2: we think of travel as like purely, I don't really

704
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 2: know how we think of it. We just think of

705
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 2: it as like a form of transport. But it is

706
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 2: so mental, and it is so emotional and emotional and physical,

707
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 2: and there is like a deeper meaning to it. So

708
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 2: talk about how Delta specifically can personalize and it is

709
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Speaker 2: thinking about wellness more as part of someone's journey to

710
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Speaker 2: their destination.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we know that travel can be hard, right.

712
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Speaker 4: You know there are delays.

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Speaker 3: You know, there are times when it's very crowded in

714
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Speaker 3: every seat, and a lot of people, like you said,

715
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 3: think of air travel as how do I get from

716
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Speaker 3: point A to point B with the most least amount

717
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 3: of burden or trauma to be But at Delta, we're

718
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 3: trying to reimagine that. We're thinking about your whole curb

719
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 3: to claim experience as a holistic experience, and how can

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Speaker 3: we make that travel experience as seamless and as delightful

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Speaker 3: as possible. So it starts with our flight Delta app right,

722
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 3: because this is where you plan a trip and you

723
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 3: book your flights, you check in for your boarding pass,

724
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Speaker 3: and you know when you're supposed to arrive, and you

725
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 3: board the plane. But I think every step along the way,

726
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 3: we're trying to make that experience as personalized to you

727
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 3: as possible. Understanding you are a traveler with Delta, that

728
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,439
Speaker 3: you're not just traveling with us. Once we know that

729
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 3: if Gemma is one of our sky Mouse members and

730
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 3: has travel with us multiple times, we know what she prefers,

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Speaker 3: we know what she likes, we know what she's looking for.

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Speaker 3: Using that information to cater or create your future travel

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Speaker 3: experiences is what we're aiming for. So to that end,

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Speaker 3: for example, we now have a sky Mouse members free

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Speaker 3: Wi Fi high speed Wi Fi for every single person

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Speaker 3: on board, to the point where if you're a sky

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Speaker 3: Mouse member, you're any of our planes, whether it's within

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Speaker 3: the United States or international, you can link up to

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00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 3: our Wi Fi and stream Netflix. You can look at

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Speaker 3: YouTube TV, who's an exclusive partner of Delta with their

741
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 3: content that's coming. We're also partnered with Uber so that

742
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Speaker 3: if you arrive and we know that you want an

743
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 3: Uber you could book that in flight with the Wi

744
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Speaker 3: Fi and schedule it, or you can book it as

745
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Speaker 3: soon as you're ready the plane. All those are personalized

746
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Speaker 3: experiences and a seamless experience for our travelers, and I

747
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 3: think that's one of the benefits of actually considering not

748
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 3: choosing just the lowest cost flight you can get from

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Speaker 3: a land to to Australia, that you consider becoming a

750
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 3: loyalty member like a Skypow member with Delta or other airlines,

751
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 3: where this opens up a world of experiences and curated

752
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 3: experiences for you, including I think one of the things

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Speaker 3: I love the most is we recently added Shakeshack Burgers

754
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Speaker 3: on our flights, which can order in advance.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I saw this.

756
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Speaker 4: It's a great on TikTok.

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00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so cool.

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Speaker 3: I just had it on my trip from Salt Lake

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00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 3: City to New York and I gotta say it was

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Speaker 3: as good as a Shakesheck burger.

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Speaker 4: At the restaurant.

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Speaker 3: The burger was smashed crispy on the outside. They separated

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Speaker 3: the buns so it didn't get soggy. The lettuce, tomatoes

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Speaker 3: and onions were in a separate bowl, and they gave

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Speaker 3: you their shakesheck brownie and.

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Speaker 4: The potato chips.

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Speaker 3: It was delicious, and to know that you can order

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00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 3: that before the flight was fantastic and knowing that it

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Speaker 3: was ready for you. The other thing we've had a

770
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 3: few years ago is you know, if you're checking in

771
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 3: a bag, we now tell you when it's been loaded,

772
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Speaker 3: so you know that your bag has been loaded on

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Speaker 3: a plane, and then when it's coming off the plane

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Speaker 3: and when it's at the claim, so you never have

775
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Speaker 3: to worry that my bag make it with me, is

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Speaker 3: it still left in Australia and I'm flying to New York.

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Speaker 3: So those are the things that are just so fantastic,

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Speaker 3: and hopefully we're hoping that you know, given it's twenty

779
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 3: twenty five and everybody's digital in AI enhanced, that you

780
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 3: can do all these things within the flight out the app,

781
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 3: and that you never have to call someone or go

782
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 3: in line, and even in the setting of an irap

783
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 3: or irregular operations where whether or something else is interrupting

784
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 3: the flight, that you can change a flight or rebook

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00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,879
Speaker 3: another flight, or have something done for you right within

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Speaker 3: the app.

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Speaker 2: The fact I don't know who your product team is,

788
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 2: but they are working over time, because that is every

789
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Speaker 2: single thing and every single frustration I have ever had

790
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Speaker 2: with flying gone like is my bag missing?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

792
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 2: How am I going to get to my hotel the airport?

793
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Speaker 2: Do I have to pack my own snacks? Because the

794
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 2: airplane food is like not very tasty? Like am I

795
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 2: gonna have? Am I gonna be able to like work

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00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 2: on the fly? All done, all minimized, which is like

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00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 2: I love when companies are just like, yeah, we recognize

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00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 2: that's a problem, and we're not just gonna be like

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Speaker 2: deal with it. We're going to actually do something about it.

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Speaker 2: I'm a big I'm a big fan. And also I

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Speaker 2: will say advice to my twenty something listeners, which is

802
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 2: probably all of you, please sign up for sky Miles,

803
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 2: or please sign up for a loyalty program with your airline.

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00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 2: Obviously we're hoping that it's Delta for for Henry, but

805
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,280
Speaker 2: it's like this thing that I wish I'd started doing earlier.

806
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 2: And I was actually at my run club the other

807
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 2: day and my friend was showing me all the air

808
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 2: miles that she had accumulated over like years of travel,

809
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 2: and we did the math and this was just like

810
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 2: incidental travel, like she's going home for a funeral or

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00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 2: she had to fly for work. You know, she went

812
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 2: to Europe last year and we were looking at all

813
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 2: the miles and it was like she could go to

814
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 2: New York for free. It's like an investment. It's like investing,

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00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 2: and it's you literally aren't doing anything other than just

816
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 2: doing the normal travel that you would do. But if

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00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 2: you I always think it's worth paying more to travel

818
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 2: with the same airline because you get these perks and

819
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 2: because you get this thing at the end of the day,

820
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 2: like it's worth the fifty dollars more of the seventy

821
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 2: five dollars more because you literally get free flights out

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Speaker 2: of it. So I'm glad you brought that up. I

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Speaker 2: do have one final question for you, because we've been

824
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 2: chatting away for a while, maybe two final questions, but

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Speaker 2: I'm going to start with this one, which is from

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Speaker 2: your experience, from your experience when you were younger to

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Speaker 2: where you are now. What is one thing you wish

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Speaker 2: people in their twenties knew about travel or did differently

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Speaker 2: about air travel. What's a piece of advice for us?

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Speaker 3: One of the things I think, you know, what I've

831
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 3: realized is very few people get on a plane to

832
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Speaker 3: get miles.

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00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 4: Right. When people get on a plane to travel somewhere.

834
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Speaker 3: No one's doing it just to get their sky miles

835
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 3: or loyalty perks. People get on a plane for a reason,

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Speaker 3: and that reason could be business, that reason could be

837
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 3: for pleasure, that reason could be a funeral. Right, everybody's

838
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 3: got a purpose when they get on the plane. And

839
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Speaker 3: I think travel in twenty twenty five has become so

840
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:41,959
Speaker 3: ubiquitous and different now. The thing that's made the most

841
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 3: difference for me is self care. And whether you're flying

842
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 3: premium in first class or you're in the back of

843
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 3: the plane in the middle row, there are things you

844
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 3: can do to make that experience better for yourself in

845
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 3: terms of self care. Right, Delta's going to do everything

846
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 3: possible to personalize to enhance your experience. But things that

847
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 3: I do now that I don't travel without are I

848
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 3: love my imask that's memory foam and goes over my face.

849
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Speaker 3: I love my sleep hello that you know prevents me

850
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Speaker 3: from having a creek on my neck if I fall asleep,

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Speaker 3: and I remind myself to drink a lot of water

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00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 3: and drink a lot of hydration, and that is, you know,

853
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 3: sort of foundational change if we can all remember that.

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00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 2: M also to add to your list noise canceling headphones.

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00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 4: Guys. Yeah, you've got to invest in I got that.

856
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a new world, right, it's like way it's quiet.

857
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 2: The first time I ever bought noise canceling headphones was

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Speaker 2: like when because I actually don't we haven't talked about

860
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Speaker 2: this at all, but I used to have a really

861
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 2: big fear of flying, and which is I don't know

862
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Speaker 2: how this hasn't come up, but other listeners are.

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Speaker 3: Jim, I would tell you, and I want to reassure you.

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Speaker 3: Commercial airline flying is probably of the safest activities you

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00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 3: can do. It's safer than driving, and it's safer than

866
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 3: walking on the streets of New York. In terms of accidents,

867
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Speaker 3: we really don't see them. Despite some of the things

868
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 3: you see, it is still absolutely very safe. And I

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Speaker 3: can tell you that the airlines across the world compete

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Speaker 3: on everything except safety. You know, whether you're air Frants, KLM, Delta,

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Speaker 3: we all share safety protocols and we strive to be

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Speaker 3: the safest form of travel period, full stop.

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Speaker 4: And I think you're in good hands.

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Speaker 3: I hope you feel safer and better about flying.

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Speaker 2: I do look at that little industry secret, guys, that

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Speaker 2: is actually I did not know that. That makes me

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Speaker 2: feel a lot better. I think this is all we

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Speaker 2: have time for. I want to thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for joining me and with all your knowledge and all

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Speaker 2: your insight and sharing like the latest and greatest developments.

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Speaker 2: I think the real takeaway from this episode is just

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Speaker 2: to be intentional about your trip and to be intentional

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Speaker 2: about self care on your trip.

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Speaker 3: Would you agree, absolutely, it's absolutely to be intentional, and

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Speaker 3: you know from our creators on their trips, the last

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Speaker 3: thing I would advise your listeners is find out what

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Speaker 3: makes you feel better and brings you joy. And for

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Speaker 3: Gabe it was playing his guitar. For Luan, it was journaling.

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Speaker 3: Send Me also enjoyed journaling. For Sophie it was getting

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Speaker 3: a massage. But each of us has something that brings

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Speaker 3: us joy and helps us restore ourselves and that self

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Speaker 3: care component. So thank you for the supportation and I

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Speaker 3: really appreciated talking with you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, don't neglect it just because you're traveling. Guys, you

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Speaker 2: don't want to come back and need another vacation from

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Speaker 2: your vacation. Thank you again to everyone who has listened

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Speaker 2: and who has joined us for this episode. I want

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Speaker 2: to invite you to watch the Fly and Live Better

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Speaker 2: series on YouTube. It is very, very cool, and I

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Speaker 2: love when companies do their own research and bring like

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Speaker 2: an experimental perspective to an everyday experience. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: leave a link in the description and also join sky

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Speaker 2: Miles for access to more experiences. That's my biggest tip

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Speaker 2: for people in their twenties. Join a loyalty program, join

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Speaker 2: sky Miles. Even if you literally only travel once a year,

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Speaker 2: you have no idea how much it adds up. But again,

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Speaker 2: thank you to Henry and as always, be safe, be kind,

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Speaker 2: to be gentle to yourself. We will talk very very soon.