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Speaker 1: Duel more ways to win. Hi, everybody, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Monday Morning Colin Cowherd Podcast. Good one today, really

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Speaker 1: good one today. Greg Olsen, three time Pro bowler at

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Speaker 1: tight end, and Jenkins and Jones. We'll talk about the

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Speaker 1: NBA All Star Game. And I want to start on

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Speaker 1: the Blake Griffin. He got released. He's now going to

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Speaker 1: be a member of the Brooklyn Nets. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: it's interesting. I would never deny it. Was a great athlete.

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Speaker 1: He never did a thing for me as a player.

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Speaker 1: I didn't think he was fluid. I thought he was stiff.

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Speaker 1: It took him forever to figure out the jump shot.

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Speaker 1: I never trusted him at the line. He's the classic

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Speaker 1: example Blake Griffin, to me, great athlete, but I never

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Speaker 1: consider him a great, great basketball player. Chris Paul's a

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Speaker 1: great basketball player, not nearly as great an athlete. And

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Speaker 1: I think sometimes we fall in love with it. It's

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Speaker 1: it's high flying slam dunk. Blake Griffin was just a

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Speaker 1: highlight reel. But what I like about Zion Williamson I

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Speaker 1: see nuance to his game. Now the Pelicans are letting

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Speaker 1: him bring the ball up the floor and direct the offense.

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Speaker 1: I don't worry that he's not a very good defensive player,

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Speaker 1: because most of the NBA is not a very good

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Speaker 1: defensive player. But I mean, Blake Griffin will help Brooklyn.

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Speaker 1: He's some more points. I mean, he's a big, strong athlete.

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Speaker 1: But you know, he was one of those I really

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Speaker 1: feel right about is that I used to call him

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Speaker 1: the NBA's best pro beach volleyball player. He was good

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Speaker 1: for dunks and that was about it. I remember going

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Speaker 1: to a Clipper game one time and we made eye

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Speaker 1: contact as I went behind the bench, and he gave

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Speaker 1: me a dirty look and I kind of shrugged my shoulders, like, hey,

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Speaker 1: learn hit a free throw. That's not my problem. But

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Speaker 1: I do think if you look at guys like Chris Paul,

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Speaker 1: Pelican's best record, Chris Paul was there Oklahoma City trying

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Speaker 1: to tank. They get to the playoffs. Chris Paul was there.

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Speaker 1: You look at the Phoenix Suns a mess, no playoffs

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Speaker 1: last eleven years. Now excellent. Chris Paul is there, and

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Speaker 1: let's be honest, when he got to the Clippers, they

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Speaker 1: were a mess. He took all the heat for the

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Speaker 1: Blake Griffin DeAndre Jordan. Chris Paul struggles, but he made

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Speaker 1: him a playoff team. And this is the first time

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Speaker 1: we've thought about Blake Griffin since he and Chris Paul

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Speaker 1: broke up. Chris Paul's the much better winning basketball player.

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Speaker 1: Blake Griffin is just a great athlete. I think he'll

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Speaker 1: help Brooklyn, but I would never trust him in a

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Speaker 1: big spot in the postseason. Never did before, wouldn't now.

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Speaker 1: We'll have Greg Olsen, three time Pro Bowler, coming up

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Speaker 1: in about thirty minutes to take us inside the Pete

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Speaker 1: Carroll Russell Wilson mess, and officially is a mess. He

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Speaker 1: played in Seattle last year. In fact, I hawked him

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Speaker 1: into it, and it's now a regrettable decision. It was

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Speaker 1: down to Buffalo and Seattle, and I talked him into Seattle.

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Speaker 1: He'll be joining us some thirty minutes. But first, Jenkins

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Speaker 1: and Jones, well, my guest today are the architects of

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Speaker 1: the modern Internet. They've turned Twitter and into an art form,

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Speaker 1: well versed in everything from the NBA music, monsters of

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Speaker 1: the deep philosophy, and we're so damn happy to have

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Speaker 1: him at the volume we found them. I was nine

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Speaker 1: months ago as I started this project. I called up

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Speaker 1: a friend of mine and I said, I want something

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Speaker 1: totally different. I want something that I don't know about.

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Speaker 1: But they're new and fun and outspoken and smart and knowledgeable.

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Speaker 1: And he said, I want you to listen to Jenkins

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Speaker 1: and Jones, And so I fished it down on the

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Speaker 1: internet and ten minutes later I called him and I said, shit,

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Speaker 1: we gotta get these guys. And we are happy to

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Speaker 1: introduce them. Lejethro Jenkins, Dragonfly Jones, and Guardi b First

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Speaker 1: of all, are those your government names? You think you?

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Speaker 1: Mom doesn't love me? You know I'm thinking this personally

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Speaker 1: right now. Hell no. So every kind of brand is

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Speaker 1: built on something. Apple's about innovation, Michael Jordan, competitiveness. Lebron's

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Speaker 1: like he can adapt to anything. Every brand has a

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Speaker 1: different feel. So when you created your podcast, what was

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Speaker 1: the goal? What was what did you want it to be?

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Speaker 1: I don't really think we even thought about this much.

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Speaker 1: I just think we didn't want to talk about things

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Speaker 1: superpower is like relatability, Like we are so regularly what

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Speaker 1: you got in the podcast, you're gonna get that in

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Speaker 1: real life, you know what I mean. Like we were

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Speaker 1: sweating arguing about peanut butter and jelly sandwiches in our

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Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, so we're talking about brin people, butter, jelly,

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Speaker 1: This is who we are. You're gonna really get that.

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Speaker 1: You know, we are ourselves on camera or on a

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Speaker 1: on what is this radio podcast? Whatever you can call it.

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Speaker 1: When you know, you guys just kind of go and

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Speaker 1: you don't have my kids again. You guys kind of

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Speaker 1: all riff when you do it, and um do one

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Speaker 1: of you one of you consider yourself a lead. The

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Speaker 1: relationship between all of you guardy. You kind of feel

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Speaker 1: like sometimes you're making sure the thing doesn't go off

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Speaker 1: the rails. I'm a I'm a past first point guard college.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Like, I have two shooters

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Speaker 1: You know I wouldn't. That's what we're talking about right now.

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Speaker 1: What I mean, like, I'll pull some rebounds down occasionally.

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Speaker 1: But you know, when you guys are well known um

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Speaker 1: I always love Lebron. I just think he's the great evolver.

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Speaker 1: He just he was doing threes twelve years ago. And

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Speaker 1: you know it's like the league. He was into analytics

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Speaker 1: before the League was doing it. But I'm interested, and Dragonfly,

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Speaker 1: we can start with you your thought on how does

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Speaker 1: Durant is Durant copying Lebron? Like it's like Lebron moves

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Speaker 1: the Burner accounts. He's got an Aaron Rodgers thing where

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Speaker 1: his feelings get hurt. He's very he can be passive, aggressive,

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Speaker 1: dragonfly start with you, do do you feel he's copying?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I kind of feel a little bit like

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Speaker 1: like spirit animal of basketball. He's just kind of watching

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Speaker 1: Lebron carve out his career and following it. Um, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that KD is necessarily following Lebron. I

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Speaker 1: that the factor in. But I mean, I don't think

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Speaker 1: like like, I don't I don't necessarily think it's a

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Speaker 1: do you respect Kadi? Yes? But see the thing about

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Speaker 1: the thing about KD is I think Katie truly does

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Speaker 1: he was always defending his move to go to state.

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Speaker 1: He was never defending himself as a hoop right, never

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Speaker 1: defending himself as No, Katie's actually a cool guy. It

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Speaker 1: went to a horrible Dolphins. It was a money grab.

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, who wants to go on forty one

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Speaker 1: road trips a year with a shitty team. What's a

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Speaker 1: terrible life. It's a winter league. You get in at

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Speaker 1: three in the morning. It's horrible. Have you ever if

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Speaker 1: you guys ever thought less about a player that did leave,

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Speaker 1: Like I don't understand why Bradley Beal just doesn't move.

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Speaker 1: I've been saying this for five years. I think he's

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Speaker 1: fact Lebron is a huge fan. But if you ever

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Speaker 1: of a sellout, a little bit of a sellout. I

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Speaker 1: mean I was mad at the Katie decision, but I

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Speaker 1: understood it. He's leaving Middle America, go to the West Coast,

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Speaker 1: to draw people to. Baseball is deadening the balls up

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Speaker 1: this year because it's too much home runners strikeout right,

425
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Speaker 1: people criticize Floyd Mayweather for being too defensive, people criticize

426
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Speaker 1: James harden Ford. No one wants to come and watch

427
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Speaker 1: free throws, so I do. I mean, I think that's

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Speaker 1: part of it. And I think that because American sports

429
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Speaker 1: are so business driven, we don't talk about that. In soccer,

430
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Speaker 1: that's a concept on the global stage. If you win

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Speaker 1: but you play boring, everyone hates you. We don't give

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Speaker 1: a shit. If you won right, you didn't play the

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Speaker 1: game right. We didn't want to watch it. And in

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Speaker 1: America it's like, well, they succeeded, so I'm not allowed

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Speaker 1: to be mad at them. But again, it's not like

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Speaker 1: this is not a boardroom discussion. It's sports. You're doing

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Speaker 1: it in your free time on a Saturday afternoon. So

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Speaker 1: if someone wins but it's boring, it's okay for you

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Speaker 1: to hate it, you know, right. Yeah, I mean, listen,

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Speaker 1: I grew up with I grew up with Magic and

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Speaker 1: the Lakers, and it was you know, it was Kareem

442
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Speaker 1: was unstoppable, you got guard inside out basketball. But I

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Speaker 1: don't think those guys were nearly as athletic, Like I

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Speaker 1: just don't think they were. You know, I've always said

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Speaker 1: this about Jordan's Bulls. They really weren't. It wasn't an

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Speaker 1: offensive team. It's the best defensive team I've ever seen.

447
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Speaker 1: It's the longest team. Like if you turn the lights

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Speaker 1: off and put that Bulls team in with anybody except

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Speaker 1: the Pistons, they'd come out. It was the toughest team.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Ron Harper was a badass Rodman. They were

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Speaker 1: all just like they That was the top. Detroit was different.

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Speaker 1: Detroit's the scariest team. I mean, Detroit would just get

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Speaker 1: after you. They were cheap and and the Bulls were

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Speaker 1: too talented to be cheap because they all met, you know,

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Speaker 1: most of made good money. They were just too gifted.

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Speaker 1: They were artists. They weren't gonna screw guys up. Detroit

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Speaker 1: didn't care because outside Isaiah, they didn't have a ton

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Speaker 1: of natural you know, it was Mhorn and Lamber and

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Speaker 1: it was like they all looked like tight ends. But

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Speaker 1: I do think, I just I think I like conflict

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Speaker 1: at the rim. That's what I loved. For For instance,

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Speaker 1: I love Zion. I love Zion. I know he doesn't

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Speaker 1: play defense. I know his mid rain game midrain game

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Speaker 1: needs work. Your thoughts on Zion? Guys, what do you see?

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Speaker 1: What do you like? Everyone man that young man is right,

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Speaker 1: that that young man is getting twenty five points per game?

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Speaker 1: Three few anything at this stage, just you know. But

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Speaker 1: the thing is the thing is we really do not

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Speaker 1: know how to evaluate players until the playoffs, until you know,

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Speaker 1: we get coaches who are you know, committed to scheming

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Speaker 1: for seven straight games against guys like like so with

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Speaker 1: the honest you know, phenomenal two time MVP. But in

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Speaker 1: the playoffs, you know, there's a blueprint on him. Slow

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Speaker 1: the game down, take the full court away from him,

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Speaker 1: to take the transition away from him, you know, make

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Speaker 1: the game a half court game, and clog up the

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Speaker 1: driving lanes. So we've got that scouttering reporter how to

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Speaker 1: stop be honest now, But you know, guys like like

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Speaker 1: Zion who are two years in I feel like, yo,

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Speaker 1: keep doing what you're doing. That's gonna get twenty five

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Speaker 1: at night, and then what we'll work on the other shit,

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Speaker 1: you know is you know, when we get the time

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Speaker 1: as a secondary option here, the question is is anyone

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Speaker 1: going to figure out how to stop him? I mean,

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Speaker 1: like he wasn't He's not just doing twenty five like

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Speaker 1: he got. He got more than that on more than

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Speaker 1: his average shooting against Rudy Gobert, who's supposed to be

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Speaker 1: the defensive center in the league. Rightly, he eats him food,

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Speaker 1: right right? So yeah, I mean that's that's the that's

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Speaker 1: the question, honest, is it's easier to apply a team defense.

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Speaker 1: But no one's throwing three dudes at a center, you know,

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Speaker 1: in the league anymore. And like Lonzo can make wide

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Speaker 1: open three pointer, you know what I mean. Like, so

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Speaker 1: I don't know that we'll see people really commit to

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Speaker 1: stopping him like that. I don't think there's really a

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Speaker 1: Yanis though, Like he just can't shoot free throws, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like, I think that's that's his

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Speaker 1: big issue. If he shoot free throws. Just absolutely no

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Speaker 1: way you can stop them, man, you know what I'm saying, Like,

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's awkod about him, you know. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: always feel like the greatest players have ever seen in

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Speaker 1: my life. You can't marginalize them. You couldn't Michael, you

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Speaker 1: couldn't Kobe, you couldn't Magic, you couldn't really Bird, you

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Speaker 1: can't Lebron. I feel like, there's a way to defend Yannis.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there was ever a way to defend Kobe.

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Speaker 1: I you know, for me, I look at Yannis and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I watched Kauhi a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, yeah, that's the book. I just that.

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Speaker 1: I know, I know it sounds ridiculous, but I watch him.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, late in games, I just don't feel and

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Speaker 1: I don't trust Yannis Layton get four minutes to go.

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Speaker 1: I don't want him with the ball. And is that

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Speaker 1: too harsh? No, two years ago he was hiding, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Middleton was the guy that had the ball

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Speaker 1: in the end of the games, you know what I'm saying. Like, So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, no, I don't think it's too hard. I

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Speaker 1: think he just needs to learn how to shoot free throws.

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Speaker 1: He's not gonna hide as much. But I mean, you

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Speaker 1: can't stop him getting too the lane. You know, Yann's

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Speaker 1: doing Yannis things that's unstoppable. But I mean, if you

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Speaker 1: if you can get a hand on and follow him,

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Speaker 1: you know, you know, you never know what's gonna get

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Speaker 1: it at the free throw line, you know what I'm saying. So,

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Speaker 1: I think that's his big issue. He doesn't need to

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Speaker 1: shoot threes. He's hit free throws. You know, all right,

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Speaker 1: we do Rapid Fire. Now for this brief segment, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna call you by your real names. Okay, we're not

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Speaker 1: we're not doing the band names here. Okay, and uh

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Speaker 1: let's start with you, John, Rapid Fire. Worst uniform in

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Speaker 1: the NBA is like Miami City Editions. Everybody loves them,

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Speaker 1: be past so they're horrible, sobs, too colorful. You're putting

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Speaker 1: that on your body, I mean personally, yeah, you if

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Speaker 1: I'm making an NBA bat minimum, Hell yeah, I know.

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Speaker 1: I'm of course I'm putting anything on my body at

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Speaker 1: that point. You know, I mean, I put a dress

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Speaker 1: on it. You bade me a million, you know what

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Speaker 1: i mean. I'm just saying I would not choose those journeys,

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Speaker 1: all right, Mike. If Jenkins and Jones were an NBA

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Speaker 1: jam duo, they would be Larry Johnson and Alonzo Morning

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Speaker 1: with the starter jackets. Yeah, that's the saying. That is

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Speaker 1: so nice, guys. Fire. Yeah, Tyler, the single best follow

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Speaker 1: for you on Twitter is Tyler I okay, fair enough, Mike.

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Speaker 1: The word that best describes your hometown of Long Beach

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Speaker 1: is grime me. We're grimy, Colin. You know we got

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Speaker 1: we got drug dealers, we got rappers, we got millionaires

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Speaker 1: and Olympic sailors. We got everything you want city, So

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Speaker 1: we got rolling twenties and we got so that'ster stallone.

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Speaker 1: I mean everything you want city by the scene the Tighter.

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Speaker 1: If you hosted my show to her tomorrow on Fox

550
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Speaker 1: Sports One, You're opening monologue would be how Steph is

551
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Speaker 1: like the prototypical perfect All Star game player. Like I

552
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Speaker 1: was watching him play play m Sunday night. I was like,

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Speaker 1: this dude is the perfect All Star game guy, ridiculous handles,

554
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: ridiculous range, can pass his ass off, Like that's everything

555
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Speaker 1: you want and someone who's gonna show out in an

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Speaker 1: All Star game. And that was like my big takeaway

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Speaker 1: from my game, Like Steph is fucking perfect. Fors Um Mike,

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Speaker 1: the animal that would get absolutely owned in the animal

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Speaker 1: combine is a human being. Forth, I have a twenty

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Speaker 1: pound cat named Pablo who would not succeed at anything, Colin,

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Speaker 1: I'll put Pablo is the last place sub Tom Brady

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Speaker 1: combined performer. Well, we love having you on and I

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Speaker 1: appreciate you guys coming on Lateness Airs obviously Monday morning,

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Speaker 1: it's for you, guys. It's now you are you guys?

565
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Speaker 1: One of you is out east, one's in Long Beach,

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Speaker 1: one's in Big Bear right now, right Big Bear, Mike,

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00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: where you. I'm in Long Beach, and then Tyler's in Richmond, Virginia.

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Speaker 1: So we're both hometown boys. You were talking about the

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Speaker 1: zip codes, you know what I mean. We travel, we

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Speaker 1: do get around, but Tyler and I are both holding

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Speaker 1: it down for chan the Long Beach. Well, I appreciate it. Guys.

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Speaker 1: We feel we really do. We feel so lucky to

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Speaker 1: have you. I wanted to bring you on and kind

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Speaker 1: of introduce you to people that listen to our show

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Speaker 1: or my show. I've been doing this for thirty years.

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Speaker 1: I think you're great. I think you're smart, you're funny,

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Speaker 1: you know your stuff, You're totally passionate. I just feel

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Speaker 1: we're just totally lucky. It was funny when I called you,

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Speaker 1: when I when I called Michael, I said, Michael, these

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Speaker 1: these guys are great. I said, do you think they

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Speaker 1: would like take the call? Like like I'm an old head,

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Speaker 1: Like I'm not sure these guys would be like cowherd.

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Speaker 1: Oh God, Jesus hell, we're Internet old though, Internet olds,

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Speaker 1: I would say, right, you know what I mean? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, definitely if you're not twenty four on the

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Speaker 1: Internet year olds. Yes, we're all We're all the same

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Speaker 1: old out here. We get call hold by everyone follows

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Speaker 1: us too, So it's all great, guys. I appreciate it. Um,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep retweeting all your stuff. Just watched at

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Speaker 1: the volume sports, Twitter and Instagram. They're gonna be all

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Speaker 1: over it for the next couple of years, hopefully longer.

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Speaker 1: And I appreciate it, guys. Prese man, all right, man,

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Speaker 1: all right, last week was crazy in the NFL. Um

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Speaker 1: The NFL was never really a transactional league like the NBA,

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00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: and suddenly in the last couple of years it has been.

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Speaker 1: Quarterbacks are speaking out. They want more control. Don't blame him.

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00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: Their careers are short, their legacies are framed on who

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Speaker 1: their coaches and in winning the postseason. And Deshaun Watson's

599
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: not happy, and Russell Wilson's not happy. And I thought

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Speaker 1: it was a perfect time to bring on somebody I've

601
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Speaker 1: known for over a decade. He was a great player,

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00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: for the Miami Hurricanes, then Carolinas, Chicago and Seattle. And

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Speaker 1: he's my friend Greg Olson, who is now joining us

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Speaker 1: part of Fox Sports as well. First of all, that

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Speaker 1: looks weird as we're looking at each other. I'm in

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Speaker 1: a hotel because I bought a house. It's not ready.

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Speaker 1: I sold a house they're in, so I'm by myself

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Speaker 1: for three weeks in a hotel. It's the most depressing.

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Speaker 1: You're a family guy. It's awful. It's terrible. You're watching

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Speaker 1: like random college football games behind you, like Big twelve basketball,

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Speaker 1: Big ten basketball, or whatever it is. I have. Really,

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Speaker 1: I've been reduced to caring about Air Force basketball. That's

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Speaker 1: what my life's become. You know, it's interesting you spent

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Speaker 1: last year in Seattle, and I man, I thought of

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Speaker 1: you during the entire kind of fiasco last couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: And I've always had this sort of theory that tension

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Speaker 1: is part of life there. My wife and I have

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Speaker 1: tense weeks. I've had bosses. There's tension with Belichick, Brady.

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Speaker 1: We're not best friends. They never went out to dinner

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Speaker 1: in twenty years. And part of me thinks Pete Carol

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, who says they have to be chummy, who

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Speaker 1: says they have to get along. But it was from

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Speaker 1: go Hawks for nine years to outspoken Russell Wilson. How

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Speaker 1: surprised were you that he decided clearly three weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna shift this thing that where I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to just accept everything I'm told. Yeah. I think that's

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Speaker 1: the part that caught everybody off guard was Russell never

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Speaker 1: push the envelope publicly. Right. It was go Hawks, it

630
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: was team, it was leadership. Now, having been around him

631
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: now and after for so long standing on the other

632
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: side of the sideline and kind of having a perception

633
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: of him and then being in the locker room with him,

634
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: everything I viewed from across the field was verified and

635
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: validated in my interactions with him. Personally, he is I

636
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: think I told you this when I saw you in

637
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: La a few weeks back. He is the most on person,

638
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: meaning every day, all day, whether it's a walkthrough, a meeting,

639
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: a march zoom call while I'm on spring break with

640
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: my wife and he texts me, hey, let's do a

641
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: zoom call, and I got to run up to the

642
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: hotel and back in last March and do a zoom

643
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: call install He is on every single moment of every day.

644
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: So I think that perception and that within the building

645
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: they were so used to that. I don't want to

646
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: say they took it for granted, but I think all

647
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: of a sudden, now publicly, he's all of a sudden saying, Hey,

648
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: I need these things, this is what I need to become,

649
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: what the player I strive to be. And I think

650
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: everybody was like, how dare Russell speak out? How dare

651
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: Russell speak out? And he has every right to say

652
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: what he feels he needs to be the player and

653
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: to be at the Tom Brady level, the Peyton Manning level.

654
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: I know that's he strives to be. That's how he

655
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: views himself. And right now, he knows his career, you know,

656
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: he's almost at double digits now, Yeah, and he can

657
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: say what he wants, but I'm gonna play twenty that

658
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: that sounds great, that's hard to guarantee. He knows he's

659
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: in the meat of his career, his window of winning

660
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 1: is now, and there's things that he knows he needs

661
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 1: in order to achieve what he set out to achieve,

662
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: and I don't blame him. You know. Eric Mangini won

663
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: three Super Bowls in New England and he brought up

664
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: a good point with Tom Brady. He said, you know,

665
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: how you enter a team is often how you're viewed.

666
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 1: And he goes, Tom Brady comes in six round pick,

667
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: system guy, hand the ball off, win with defense, and

668
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: then Tom grows and becomes a dad, and his net

669
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: worth is three hundred million, and he's got multiple super

670
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: Bowls and now he's the greatest player ever. And in

671
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: the end, the perception among some of New England is, hey,

672
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: Tom takes paycuts. Tom's a system guy. And Tom decided

673
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 1: after that Atlanta super Bowl none the best player that's

674
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,439
Speaker 1: ever played the game. Similarly, Russell comes in third round

675
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: pick Marshawn lynchon defense, wins the game, Go Hawks, and

676
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: Eric said, it's very hard for teams to pivot. You know,

677
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: you look at Brady as the paycut guy, all about

678
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: the team guy, and then he becomes the greatest football

679
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: player ever. And Russell's third round little short. You know,

680
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: he's we need to have a big running game. And

681
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: your thoughts on that about as has he transformed his career?

682
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: You know, maybe Pete still views him as the guy

683
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: he wants under his thumb, and Russell's now a top

684
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: three four quarterback on the planet. He is, and I

685
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: think that, right there is the divide, Right, I think

686
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: the Russell Wilson we all met the first Super Bowl

687
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: in year two, the kid who went into the training

688
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: camp and everyone was shocked. He beat out Matt Flynn

689
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: for the job. Right, here's this kid who we knew

690
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: was a good college player, kind of mid round pick,

691
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, now he beat out the

692
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: You know, remember they gave Matt Flynn like a billion

693
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: dollars to be their quarterback and then they didn't even

694
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: start him day one. Right, he took that organization by storm.

695
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: But he knows we all know, whether it's true or not,

696
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: the perception of that early Super Bowl team was the defense,

697
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: the legion of boom these guys, right that was Now

698
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: that offense. He did some good work, he made a

699
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: lot of plays. I saw it at firsthand. But that's

700
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 1: the perception. Russ knows that if he wants to enter

701
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 1: into that category that I believe he is already in,

702
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: he needs to win more Super Bowls and he needs

703
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: to now, it's not the legion of Boom. It's not

704
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: the days of old where now he wants that weight

705
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: on his shoulders. He wants it to be an offensively

706
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: driven philosophy and team. Are they willing to allow him

707
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 1: to operate the Seattle Seahawks in that manner? I think

708
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: that's the crossroads they're at right now, and after being

709
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: there a year, I'm not exactly sure which path they take.

710
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: I think he is such a unique player, and I

711
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: always had such an incredible That's why I went there

712
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: right That was the reason why I picked Seattle was

713
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: to go play with him and be around him and

714
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: see what he was like. He's the most professional, high,

715
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: high level guy maybe I've ever been a part of,

716
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: regardless of position. But his legacy matters to him, and

717
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: I don't blame him. He's a one time Super Bowl champ,

718
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: one time Super Bowl loser. That matters to him. He

719
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: wants to win three, four, multiple super Bowls, and he

720
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: wants it to be on his back, because that's the

721
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: type of competitor that he is. Will the Seattle Seahawks

722
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 1: ever just say here the Keys go win us the

723
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: super Bowl offensively? I'm not sure. Yeah, I mean Earl

724
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: Thomas spoke out, Richard Sherman spoke out, Pete Carroll got

725
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: rid of him. He has a history. I mean, there's

726
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: a reality with Pete Carroll. He plays football the way

727
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: he coaches football, the way he wants to coach football,

728
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: And I don't blame him the guys. He's one of

729
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: the most impressive people running an organization I've ever been around.

730
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean I agree with everything to instagrate. He

731
00:37:54,800 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: runs a football team incredibly efficient, attention to detail, situation coaching.

732
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: His team meeting is thirty five minutes and you sit

733
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:05,959
Speaker 1: there the entire time on the edge of your seat

734
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: because it's not just wasted fluff. So I get it.

735
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: Both guys know that they're capable of being amongst the

736
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: all time best. They just have a little bit of

737
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: different philosophy on how it's done. Well, it's interesting. Let's

738
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,240
Speaker 1: go back to the tension thing that you don't always

739
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: have to get along with everybody you play with, Cam

740
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: and Ron Rivera, probably there was tension over the course

741
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: of time. Can you, Brady Belichick, I mean, did you

742
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: ever have teammates? I mean, God, you can't be in

743
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: the locker room with fifty five alpha's and get along

744
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: with everybody did every team you were on. Were there

745
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: ever issues in the locker room? But you still won?

746
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 1: Of course? I think that's the NFL, right. I don't

747
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: think anyone expects the NFL to be fifty three players

748
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: and twenty coaches and everybody every day gets along, loves

749
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 1: each other, never has an argument. I think if you

750
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 1: create that environment, you never challenge yourselves, you never challenge

751
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: each other. There's no accountability, there's no standard to hold

752
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,919
Speaker 1: anybody too if everything's all hunky dory when I don't

753
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: think anybody thrives in those situations. I think people want

754
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: to be challenged. I think people need to be held accountable. Players,

755
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: coaches within players within coaching. I think those are the organizations.

756
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 1: But doing it respectfully, doing it in a manner in

757
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 1: which it's not going to become counterproductive to the overall

758
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 1: mission of the team. Me and Cam Newton have gotten

759
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: into it in the middle of games about what he saw,

760
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: what I saw. Cam's one of my most loved teammates

761
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: that I've ever had in my whole career. We'll keep

762
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: in touch dress for our lives. Does that mean every

763
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,439
Speaker 1: single game he loved every route. Iran, that I saw

764
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: every ball he threw the way his eyes saw it

765
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 1: that I thought, No, of course not. That's anytime you

766
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: get a bunch of highly competitive individuals in one team,

767
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: or one company, or one organization, whatever it is. It's

768
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 1: not only sports. Not only is there gonna be conflict.

769
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: You need conflict? Do you need people to challenge each

770
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 1: other to find the right solution so everyone can move

771
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: forward and become better. It's funny you mentioned Cam. He's

772
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: still actually very young, but his body, like Big Ben,

773
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: is older, because you know, like when you're built like

774
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 1: Camera big Ben. I think it's just very natural that

775
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: you can. In high school and college, you just took

776
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: more hits. Guys bounced off you. You get to the

777
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: NFL and though the accumulation of six and seven and

778
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 1: eight years, you get dinged and those are those are

779
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: hard miles on your body. You know. I look at

780
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: Cam and my theory has always been come back New

781
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: England's second year. Go on the market, get get New England.

782
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: Can't draft a receiver, get Allen Robinson, Go draft Kyle Pitts,

783
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: a wide receiver, Bring Cam back. The defense will be

784
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: good and then you got a playoff team again, do

785
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: you think I mean you were around Russell Wilson, who

786
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: is uniquely driven, like almost you know, obsessed. I always

787
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: felt like Cam love football. I never felt necessarily he

788
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: was obsessed or is he? He is? Him and Russ

789
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 1: are very similar yet very different at the exact same time.

790
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: They're different styles both on the field and off. They

791
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: have very different interests, very different motivations, yet at the

792
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: same time. Having been around them both obviously a lot

793
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: longer with Cam than I was with Russ, so often

794
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: I would find myself saying, like, these guys overlap a

795
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: lot more than maybe they would even admit, or maybe

796
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:25,800
Speaker 1: anyone really even realizes. They are highly highly, highly competitive, driven,

797
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: internally driven players. There's a lot of guys that are

798
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: driven out of fear of failure, fear of criticism, fear

799
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: of coaches, fear of being benched. That's neither Cam nor Russ.

800
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: They are driven by their own expectations that they've set

801
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 1: out for themselves that are further than anything you could

802
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: say on air. I could say, as a teammate Ron

803
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: rivera Pete Carroll, there's nothing any of those guys are

804
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: going to set as an expectation bar that is going

805
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: to be able to surpass what they set individually. I

806
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 1: think that right there, though, sometimes catches the little people

807
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: off guard because they misconceive it as being selfish. They

808
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: can see that, oh, they're only worried about themselves. They're not,

809
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: but they realize that the better they are, everybody else

810
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,280
Speaker 1: around me becomes better. So, yeah, I'm worried about myself.

811
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: I am worried about my legacy in my career. And

812
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: because if I have a great career and I'm a

813
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame quarterback, all you guys around me and

814
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: this team is going to be better as a result.

815
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: That's how they process their competitive nature. While being different

816
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: individuals in different styles, they share that unique bond. You know.

817
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: It's interesting with Russell Wilson, I theorize this. He listed

818
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: four teams he would go to. You played in Chicago,

819
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: which is you know, it's such a tough guy town

820
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: and he's such a flashy player. It would be an

821
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: interesting fit. Dallas. I think he fits New Orleans, even

822
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: Las Vegas. Chicago, You're take you know, Chicago, It's just

823
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: it's Buffalo with more buildings. They take great pride and tough.

824
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 1: I mean you were there, like it is a deep

825
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: embedded passion for their sports. They probably can't even understand

826
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: people like me that live in southern California. They don't

827
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: even get you know, it's like, dude, are we wear

828
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: our jerseys? Did you like playing there? Do you think

829
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: Russ fits there? With his style and their history. I

830
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: think Chicago would lose their minds if they woke up

831
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: one day they traded for Russell Will Russell Wilson that again,

832
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: I think that's pine this guy. I don't think Seattle

833
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 1: you can't take those odds. If you're taking the odds today,

834
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 1: he's back in Seattle. They fix the things that they

835
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: both agree on that need to get better to push

836
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: the organization forward. We won, We won twelve games last year, right,

837
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: I think people take we lost in the first round

838
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: of the playoffs, we lost to LA and you know

839
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 1: they didn't have their quarterback all that. So I think

840
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: this season, at the end of the day, no one

841
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,760
Speaker 1: has won more games than Russell Wilson and the Seattle

842
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 1: Seahawks to start a guy's career, right, So success there

843
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: has also made them a little you know, it's almost

844
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: spoiled them a little bit. If they don't win the

845
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 1: super Bowl, it's a massive failure. Yes, but at most

846
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: organizations they cut off their leg to win twelve games

847
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: a year, right, So I think there things are. They're

848
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: lucky in that regard. They've set such a high mark

849
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: that it's Super Bowl or bust, which is awesome. But

850
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 1: back to Chicago again. They made the Cutler trade when

851
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 1: I was there back in two thousand nine to two

852
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: thousand and nine offseason, they got Cutler and the city

853
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: was going to have a parade, right, this was our

854
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 1: first quarterback we've had, you know, Sid Luckman. It didn't

855
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: really go according to plan. We did make the one

856
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 1: NFC championship. Cutler didn't get enough credit for how good

857
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: of a player he was and how far he took

858
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,760
Speaker 1: that team, and even the years after after I got traded.

859
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 1: He was one of the best players in the league

860
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 1: that year until he broke his thumb trying to make

861
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: a tackle after a fumble or something. So like, he

862
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: didn't get enough credit. If Russell Wilson goes there, the

863
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: city's gonna light itself. I don't know what they would do.

864
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 1: They're gonna lose their minds. I mean I think they would,

865
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: They would give up anything as a city to have

866
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 1: a player like him. Did it Did it feel different

867
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 1: playing in Chicago than I'm not saying Seattle and Carolina

868
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: don't have passionate fans, But did it feel different on

869
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: the field playing the Packers at Soldier Field? Yeah, it

870
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,919
Speaker 1: felt a little more like college you know, it felt

871
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: a little more like a college environment where those people

872
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: in that you know, college town Athens, Georgia, Tuscaloosa, Tallahassee

873
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: like that. That day, that Sunday afternoon at Soldier Field

874
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: was the day of the week. It didn't matter if

875
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: the Cubs were doing anything, the Blackhawks were doing anything.

876
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,760
Speaker 1: They loved their other teams, but it was a Bears

877
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: town and when the Bears were playing, the environment, the energy,

878
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: Like you said, everyone's got their jerseys, throwbacks, Dicka jerseys, singletary,

879
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: the history. It just it's different. There's no casual nature

880
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: to that stadium. I think casual. I remember it being

881
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: as rookie again from Miami, where we had good fans,

882
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 1: we had rabid fans, but it wasn't like your typical

883
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: college town, right. So I get there as a rookie

884
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: and I and I would have moms, older ladies in

885
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: the supermarket. Just the things they would say to you

886
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: after a tough game, a good game, a loss. I

887
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 1: would go home to my wife. I was like, these

888
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: people here are crazy about the team and almost like delusional.

889
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: It's it's an unbelievable place to play. I loved it.

890
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,760
Speaker 1: I was pissed off as hell when I got traded

891
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: from there. I mean I was beside myself. I'm like,

892
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: I'm getting traded from the Chicago Bears. We just played

893
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: in the NFC Championship and one of the coolest cities

894
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: in the world, and I'm going to Charlotte, North Carolina.

895
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 1: They won two games last year. We've been on a lockout.

896
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: They haven't met their quarterback. He was played one year

897
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: in college. They just hired Ron Rivera and then lo

898
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: and behold. It became the best thing that ever happened

899
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: to me. Right, But like at the time, no, I

900
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: didn't want to leave Chicago at all. I was furious

901
00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: with Mike Martz and Jerry Agelo. I was pissed. Yeah,

902
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: I don't blame you. I always tell my audience, what

903
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 1: if I got traded to the Vice Network or I

904
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 1: got traded to Nickelodeon, like, people don't understand you're disrupting

905
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: my life. My kids are in school, my wife has

906
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: a social circle. So I've always said, fans just don't

907
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: quite understand the reality of your career where you can

908
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: be in love with the city and love of the

909
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,399
Speaker 1: team and you get a call from what your agent. Yeah,

910
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 1: I just brought my first son home to our house,

911
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 1: to his nursery. I painted it on the bye week

912
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: the previous year during the playoffs, we got to buy

913
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 1: painted his nursery, got it already. My wife and I

914
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: brought our kid home six weeks before I went to

915
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: training camp and got traded. So here we are bringing

916
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: our kid home, thinking Chicago's gonna be home. We're gonna

917
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: raise our children here. Whatnot? Six weeks later, leave my house,

918
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: never stepped foot, My wife flies back there, sells it.

919
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: I never stepped foot back in my house, fly to Charlotte,

920
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 1: and never went home again. Just literally in twelve hours.

921
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: That is Crazyson on the Colin Coward podcast, joining us

922
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: it is. You know, it's funny about tight ends. When

923
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: you entered the league, I mean half the tight ends

924
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: were blocking tight ends, and then there's guys that clearly

925
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: can go vertical. Travis Kelsey, Jimmy Graham, did you ever

926
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 1: feel like in your career it's like, why are we

927
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: like the second lowest paid unit? Like Tony Gonzalez? Alwas said,

928
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: how do I get eighty catches and nine touchdowns and

929
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 1: I make less than our second receiver? Like, I don't

930
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: get it. Is there a club, a tight end club

931
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 1: where you guys would grumble about that? So it's actually

932
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 1: funny to say that. I did a limited podcast series

933
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: last year called t E one where I interviewed tight ends,

934
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: starting with Mike Dicka all the way through Kelsey and

935
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: George Kittle and Cole commet actually in Chicago, and we

936
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: kind of chronicled the evolution of the tight end position.

937
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 1: It was really interesting when I talked to Tony. My

938
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,240
Speaker 1: theory about what you just said is it was because

939
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 1: of Tony Gonzalez being so dominant for so long he

940
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: was the market and there was no ability to for

941
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: anyone to ever be paid more than Tony Gonzalez because

942
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: that would be crazy. And then how does Tony Gonzalez

943
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: negotiate his new contract against only himself? Because there's never

944
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: anyone jumping him. And then when you remember the old drafts,

945
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 1: very few tight ends. You know, you had Vernon Davis,

946
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: you had Kellen Winslow. There was very few tight ends

947
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,479
Speaker 1: taken top five, top ten to artificially reset the market

948
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: with their rookie contracts. So Tony was the market for

949
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: a decade. You know. It wasn't until the Wittens of

950
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: the world and Gates and these guys started coming and

951
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: grew the amount of high level tight ends. But I

952
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: blame Tony and I told him to his face, I said, Tony,

953
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: you're the reason none of us make any money. It

954
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: wasn't until Kittle and Kelsey da've now reset the market finally,

955
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: But again that was through competition. That was because all

956
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: of a sudden you got Hooper going to Cleveland as

957
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: a free agent from Atlanta making eleven million, and then

958
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: Kittle and Kelsey are sitting around going, wait a minute,

959
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: we got like twelve hundred yards a year if he

960
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: makes eleven, they got fifteen or sixteen or whatever it is.

961
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: And finally, after what seemed like since Gronks deal ten

962
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: years ago, the market finally got reset. Greg Olson joining us.

963
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: If I'm gonna say, I'm gonna list a quality, and

964
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: you tell me the tight end that was best at

965
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:24,240
Speaker 1: it blocking, blocking like ever? Yeah, tight end, I'm blocking

966
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 1: probably of like the modern age of all the top guys.

967
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 1: Gronkowski hands me, I'm taking me Athlete Kittle, I mean

968
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: m Kelsey, Deceptiveness, tricky, clever Witten. Yeah he is, isn't he? He?

969
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 1: For a guy that he? I mean again, when he

970
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:55,800
Speaker 1: when he was at his prime, he was probably the

971
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 1: best ever. I get into guy's arguments all the time.

972
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: If he's not a first ballot Hall of Fame or

973
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: the whole thing screwed up? What is it with him? Why?

974
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: Why was he so good? The guys just crafty. So

975
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: when you said deceptiveness, he's the first name that popped in.

976
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 1: He never ran four or five, He never vertical jumped

977
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: forty inches. He was just a solid all round smart,

978
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: tough every play, run, pass, throwing the ball, short yardage goal,

979
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: It didn't matter. He was in the game. He was

980
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: going to do everything asked to the position, and he

981
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: was always open. He had a great rapport with Romo

982
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: all those years. They trusted each other. He ran that

983
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: damn sticky option at ten yards and it's like everyone

984
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: knew he was going to run it and no one

985
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 1: could guard him. So he to me his ability to

986
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: get open and be creative and be crafty for a

987
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: guy that didn't run four or five. He was always

988
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: a guy from Afar I always studied because I feel

989
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 1: like he really understood the art of getting open versus

990
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: just running around. He went football TV, back to football.

991
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 1: If Brady called you tomorrow and said, come down here

992
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: for a year, it's warm, it won't hurt, our practices

993
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: are light, would you consider it. I don't think so.

994
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: I actually talked to Tom a little bit last year

995
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: when I was making my decision, and the timing just

996
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 1: didn't work out, you know, with when I had to

997
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: sign and when he was going to sign. He's obviously

998
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:19,439
Speaker 1: a guy you would die to play for. I'm done,

999
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: you know. I just felt like I got it all

1000
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 1: out of my system this year physically. I just I

1001
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: can't do what I really want to be able to do.

1002
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 1: If I wanted to play another team year, I know

1003
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 1: a team would pay me something to be on their

1004
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 1: roster this year, and I could get in the game

1005
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 1: and do something. I'm not willing to be a guy

1006
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 1: who collects a check to not be able to do

1007
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 1: what I've done for a long time, and that's the

1008
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: only level I'm willing to play at. I could play

1009
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: at eighty percent of my career and be in the

1010
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: running and be solid and play twenty five thirty snaps

1011
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: a game and be better than a lot of the

1012
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: guys in the league. I know I could be that.

1013
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 1: I'm not willing to be that guy. And last year's

1014
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: experience and the way things were worked out, like it

1015
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: just took it all out of me. And I'm content

1016
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: with my career. Obviously. I never won a Super Bowl.

1017
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: That was really the only thing left to check, and

1018
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 1: I feel like I maximized every opportunity I had, and

1019
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,919
Speaker 1: to me, that's all you can do. You know, years ago,

1020
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,399
Speaker 1: Charles Barkley said he practiced, he played football for one

1021
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 1: game and got hit and said, this is no fun.

1022
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 1: I don't like being tackled. Lebron James recently said in

1023
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: twenty eleven during the lockout eleven NBA lockout he was

1024
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:37,240
Speaker 1: an All state receiver in Ohio that Lebron did consider

1025
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: getting in football shape and playing and I mean, he's

1026
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: such a remarkable athlete in the red zone, he'd be

1027
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: a tough matchup on that fade to the corner. But

1028
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: like describe if you can, the physicality of the NFL.

1029
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: I've talked to players about this. They just you just

1030
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: don't understand the physicality. First of all, do you think

1031
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 1: Lebron would be successful long term? Let's start with that.

1032
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: Do you think he would be you know? Long term?

1033
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 1: I think is where it gets into a question mark.

1034
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 1: Could he have come out and played a season and

1035
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 1: just been such a physical athlete that he could have

1036
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 1: figured it out? I do believe he could have, right,

1037
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:18,720
Speaker 1: I think we've seen that for guys to make transitions

1038
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: into a different sport at a high level, it seems

1039
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: to be transitioning to football is the only one that

1040
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 1: ever even has a few stories that tend to work out. Right.

1041
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: There's you don't ever hear the retired football player all

1042
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: of a sudden going to be in a point guard

1043
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: or go being the starting shortstop. It just it doesn't

1044
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: usually work that way because it's more of a macro

1045
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 1: sports or macro dynamic physical traits to be a football

1046
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 1: player versus the skill. I think physically and athletically he

1047
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 1: would be off the charts. Do I think he could

1048
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: long term deal with the Could he play wide out

1049
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 1: in the NFL? Yes, I do believe Could he play

1050
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: tight end in the NFL? No, I think I'm not

1051
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 1: sure Lebron knows really what that means. If Lebron, if

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00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:10,439
Speaker 1: I could coach Lebron James for one year, I could

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00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 1: make him an all Pro wide receiver. There's no question

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00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,359
Speaker 1: in my mind. I could turn Russell Westbrook into an

1055
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: all Pro free safety. There's a handful of those guys

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00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: that could make the transition just because they are so unique,

1057
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: but there's few and far between those guys. But yes,

1058
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 1: I do think he could play NFL wide receiver for

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00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: how long? I think he'd be stupid to stop playing basketball,

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00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 1: But yes, I do think he could in the short term, Yes,

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00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 1: I do. Tight End is different. You're often blocking an

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00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: elite edge rusher. Take me to the physical Darrest. Take

1063
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:53,359
Speaker 1: me to a Monday after you had a physical football game.

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00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 1: What did you feel like when I first knew what

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00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 1: NFL tight end was going to be? In college, we

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00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 1: ran a traditional NFL type offense, so tight end and

1067
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 1: in Miami we are hand was in the dirt it.

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00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 1: You know, again, this was fifteen years ago. There was No,

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00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,439
Speaker 1: it wasn't spread. We were under center. We were running

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00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 1: a traditional passing game, traditional running game. So I thought

1071
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,919
Speaker 1: I really knew what tight end meant. You know. I blocked, Yeah,

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00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: I blocked. Yeah. I ran routes like you know whatever.

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00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 1: My rookie year two thousand and seven, we're playing a

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00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 1: home game in Chicago against stray Hand and the Giants,

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00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: and we would have some personnel groupings. We had some

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00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: other blockers that were like older veterans. I was a rookie,

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00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 1: and we had a third and short and we just

1078
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: ran like a true like I backfield like power run

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00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: to the right, and I got stray Hand on my nose.

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00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: I'm down in a three point stance, and I'm telling myself,

1081
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 1: you gotta come off the ball harder than you've ever

1082
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 1: come off the ball in your life and strike this

1083
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: dude or he's gonna just he's gonna drive you backwards.

1084
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: So I jumped the snap count. I take two steps

1085
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: and I try to strike him. He'll I could picture

1086
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:00,720
Speaker 1: it in my head. He comes off kind of slow.

1087
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:04,320
Speaker 1: He takes his left hand, puts it in my right shoulder,

1088
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: brings me back into the fullback, into the guard, into

1089
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 1: the ball carrier, we get stopped and we have to punt.

1090
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 1: And I ran off the field and I was like,

1091
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,919
Speaker 1: if I gotta block guys like that, I'm not gonna

1092
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: last much longer here, right, Like that was my first

1093
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 1: realization that these guys are just different. When I first

1094
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: came in the league, each team might have had like

1095
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: one guy who you're like, all right, if we're lining

1096
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,439
Speaker 1: up over Michael Strahan, we gotta be here. We gotta

1097
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 1: have two guys if we are lining up over Javon

1098
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 1: Curse or whoever. Now, my last couple of years, every

1099
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: team had two or three of those just absolute freaks.

1100
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 1: You might not have even heard of their names, and

1101
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: they'd come out. Their arms would be eight feet wingspan,

1102
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 1: muscles in places I don't have muscles. They're six six

1103
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: or two ninety, and they're waistard this big. The evolution

1104
00:57:56,200 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 1: of the defensive linemen in the NFL made playing tight

1105
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: end significantly more challenging. As my career went on, the

1106
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 1: passing game got easier. Just because passing games got a

1107
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: lot more spread out, a lot more multiple, it was

1108
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: a lot easier to play tight end as a receiver.

1109
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 1: The physicality of the position became a lot more challenging

1110
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 1: because of the quality of the guys you were going

1111
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:23,439
Speaker 1: against as the years went on. Yeah, and that's where

1112
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: I think Lebron doesn't quite understand. I think he could

1113
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 1: be a great receiver, but I just I've talked to

1114
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: so many players about this. I mean, you played at

1115
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 1: two fifty, didn't you. Yeah, And I was small the

1116
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: idea that somebody could grab you. I mean, if you're

1117
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: in a room with other men, you're the biggest man

1118
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 1: and somebody could grab you and throw you back. Who

1119
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: was physically the strongest player in your NFL career James Harrison.

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00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: I've told this story before. Like the difference with James

1121
00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 1: Harrison was he was like five ten, right, So I

1122
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:04,919
Speaker 1: was six five, skinny, high waist. He's like a five

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00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: ten fire hydrant, right, And he would play that outside

1124
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: linebacker position in Pittsburgh, and his job was to set

1125
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: the edge, right, nothing gets outside me, set the edge.

1126
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: Everyone funnels in. And I remember those couple of years

1127
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 1: trying to get ready to block him, and like he

1128
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: would put his helmet right under your throat. And I

1129
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 1: told this one story on air. I forget whose show

1130
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 1: I was on, And like he literally made me throw up,

1131
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 1: Like he hit me so hard in the throat with

1132
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: the front of his front of his helmet to like

1133
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 1: I threw up in my mouth in the middle of

1134
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: the play, and like there you are, fighting with everything

1135
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: you got and this guy is just like squatting down

1136
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: and just like just unleashing. It's a it's hard to describe,

1137
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: but like going into blocking a guy like that, you're like,

1138
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 1: I really hope there's not a lot of front side

1139
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 1: point of attacks because this guy's a different animal, you know.

1140
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 1: And it just seemed like as the years went on,

1141
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 1: every game I would prep for, there was a guy

1142
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: like that, there was a guy like that. There was

1143
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: two guys like that, And it's just and in Carolina,

1144
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: I didn't come off the field, you know. I didn't

1145
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: get to just come in for the passes. I didn't

1146
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: get to just play slot, you know. I had to

1147
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 1: line up with my hand on the ground and a

1148
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: team that was gonna run the ball at you with

1149
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: our quarterback De'angelo Williams, Jonathan Stewart, Christian McCaffrey, we were

1150
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: going to run the ball at you, and then everything

1151
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: else with Cam would come from that. If you couldn't

1152
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: get in there and put your face on people and

1153
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 1: strike and get knocked down and get back up, and

1154
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 1: you couldn't play tight end in our offense. So I

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01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: had no choice. It wasn't always great. I wasn't always

1156
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 1: the best blocker. But the thing I always knew was

1157
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 1: there was only three or four guys in the league

1158
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 1: that were asked to do what I did, and not

1159
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 1: everyone could have played in our system. And there was

1160
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 1: no system in my prime that I couldn't have played in.

1161
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 1: And that's what I always went to bed feeling good

1162
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: about what I was doing because I knew that to

1163
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: be true. Greg Olson, full of good stuff. So what

1164
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 1: are you doing to prepare for the big Fox broadcasting career?

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01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 1: Studying all day or something? Studying all day? I just

1166
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 1: listened to your shows. I just listen to your insight,

1167
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 1: and I just try. That's that's a bunch of nonsense.

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01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 1: You'll be now. You know, I've been fortunate. You know

1169
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 1: you and I've actually talked a lot about this through

1170
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 1: this whole last couple of years of kind of balancing

1171
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 1: this transition. I've had a lot of unique opportunities before

1172
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 1: retirement to call games, to do production, meetings to be

1173
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 1: at you know, to be in studio production meetings and

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01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: be on in studio on set. That a lot of

1175
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 1: guys when they retire, that's now they're big, you know,

1176
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 1: they kind of get that ball in motion and they're

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01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 1: doing games behind the scenes, and they're calling past broadcasts

1178
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 1: and they're trying to do simulated you know, production meetings.

1179
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:44,439
Speaker 1: I have a lot of work to do now moving

1180
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 1: into a full time slate, But the part that allows

1181
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:49,959
Speaker 1: me to have a little piece of mind is I've

1182
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 1: I've been in the fire a little bit. I've called

1183
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 1: multiple NFL games, I've done multiple major network auditions behind

1184
01:01:56,280 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 1: the scenes calling games for studio executives. Last week last year,

1185
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 1: me and Burkhardt called five of the XFL games week

1186
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 1: after week after week, which was a thousand times more

1187
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: challenging than calling the NFL because you didn't know anybody's

1188
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 1: name right right, So like there was I've had a

1189
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 1: lot of opportunities as a current player to prep now

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01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 1: that I'm going to go full time into this in

1191
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 1: the fall through the summer. I'll get more games, I'll

1192
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 1: get it. I'll hire a local play by play guy

1193
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 1: that I know from the team to do some more

1194
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 1: mock broadcasts and kind of flush out the seams. But

1195
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm starting from a good place that

1196
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 1: I don't have to learn everything between now in September.

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01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:35,439
Speaker 1: Can't wait. You're one of the good guys. Man, Gonna

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01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 1: have you on again. Appreciate it. Great family, and we'll

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Speaker 1: talk soon. Appreciate it. Enjoy the hotel. Yeah, all right, buddy,

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01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 1: good talking man. All right. Thanks everybody you know the

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