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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, and welcome to another edition of the Dave

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Speaker 1: Pash Podcast. I'm your host ESPN and Arizona Cardinals broadcaster

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Speaker 1: Dave Pash. My guest this week is Cardinals offensive coordinator

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Speaker 1: Drew Petsing. Drew is getting a lot of praise, deservedly

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Speaker 1: so for the job he's done so far with the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals and in particular what we witness week two against

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Speaker 1: the Rams, Kyler Murray a perfect quarterback rating. Drew was very,

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Speaker 1: very impressed.

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Speaker 2: I think the thing that kind of stood out for

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Speaker 2: me was just the operation and decision making from him

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Speaker 2: throughout the game of taking what was there, being aggressive

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Speaker 2: when they gave him the opportunity, but the ball just

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Speaker 2: seemed like it went where it should really.

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Speaker 1: Most of the day, we'll break down all things Kyler

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Speaker 1: from Week two and the tremendous game that he had

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Speaker 1: against the Rams. We'll also get into Marvin Harrison Junior,

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Speaker 1: the difference week one to week two, if Drew thinks

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Speaker 1: there was a difference. We'll also talk about the growth

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Speaker 1: of Trey Benson backing up James Connor, Paris moving over

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Speaker 1: from right tackle to left tackle, tip Ryman, Evan Brown Higgins.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into specifics and also look ahead to the

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Speaker 1: You do you all right? Time now for our conversation

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Speaker 1: with Cardinals offensive coordinator Drew Petsing. Drew, First, man, I

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Speaker 1: appreciate you coming on. My first question is have you

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Speaker 1: ever seen what we saw Sunday? Have you been, apart

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Speaker 1: previously at your other stops of a perfect quarterback rating?

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Speaker 3: No, No, I don't think I have been.

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Speaker 2: So it was it was fun to be a part of,

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Speaker 2: certainly fun to watch as we went through the game

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Speaker 2: on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: What stood out to you the most when you went

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Speaker 1: back and watched the tape on Kyler specifically two things.

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Speaker 2: I think it's certainly the off schedule. You know, you

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Speaker 2: saw him make plays with his feet, lay in the down,

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Speaker 2: extending plays, running with the ball, which is always impressive.

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Speaker 2: But I think the thing that kind of stood out

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Speaker 2: for me was just the operation and decision making from

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Speaker 2: him throughout the game of you know, taking what was there,

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Speaker 2: being aggressive when they gave him the opportunity, but the

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Speaker 2: ball seemed like it went where it should really most

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Speaker 2: of the day on time, I thought his decision making

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Speaker 2: was really impressive.

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Speaker 1: I want to go back to what you just said

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Speaker 1: about taking what was there. So other than when I've

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Speaker 1: had a conflict, I've done every game of Kyler since

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Speaker 1: he was here. I did his games at Oklahoma and

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Speaker 1: Iowa State and Texas A and m against Iowa State.

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Speaker 1: So I've watched Kyler for a long time. I have

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Speaker 1: never seen him as sound fundamentally, at least from our

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Speaker 1: vantage point. From your point of view, did you see

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Speaker 1: that as well, because it looked like every decision was

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Speaker 1: the right decision.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I think it's a combination. As you said,

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Speaker 2: it's his feet, it's his eyes, it's the understanding anticipation

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Speaker 2: of what you're getting from the defense. And I thought

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Speaker 2: it was nice to see kind of all those things

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Speaker 2: come together. And the funny thing, and I'm sure he

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Speaker 2: would admit this is there's still a couple of plays

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Speaker 2: got to be a little cleaner here, we could have

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Speaker 2: been a little bit better there, And you always feel

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Speaker 2: that way regardless, but it was good to have that

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Speaker 2: type of success and that type performance him while also

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Speaker 2: being able to coach some of those things.

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Speaker 1: Sure, he's so good obviously at creating and improvise and

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Speaker 1: doing the spectacular. How did you get him to again

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Speaker 1: going back to the phrase, take what's there and not

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Speaker 1: force it or try to be a hero when maybe

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Speaker 1: he could do something and he did and we saw

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Speaker 1: it a couple of times on Sunday that most guys

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Speaker 3: I think it's that balance. I think it's talking about it.

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Speaker 2: It's showing examples of when it gets you in trouble

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Speaker 2: and when it doesn't help the team, and when it

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Speaker 2: And I think it's a lot of it's his understanding

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Speaker 2: And I think that relationship and that understanding has been

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Speaker 2: with the way the offense is rolling and kind of

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Speaker 2: the way the players are coming out of my mouth

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Speaker 1: I mean, hey, man, he clearly trusts you. Just listening

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Speaker 1: to him talk about you when he meets with the media,

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Speaker 1: I don't think he would just be saying, I think

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Speaker 1: it's real. How did you earn that trust? Because not

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Speaker 1: everybody's been able to do that with him, And.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's just me. I think it's jg Is.

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Speaker 2: It's all the people that interact with him in that

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Speaker 2: building that really, you know, went in there with the

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Speaker 3: You know, it helps you, it helps the team, it

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Speaker 3: helps all of us.

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Speaker 2: I think ultimately that's going to be our goal, and

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Speaker 2: that's my goal as a coach when I walk into

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Speaker 2: any room as a position coach, as a QC, as

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Speaker 2: a coordinator, it's whoever I'm working with, I want you

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Speaker 2: to be the best you based on how you play

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Speaker 2: the game, how you interact in the building, how you

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Speaker 2: and I think that has to be genuine. It has

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Speaker 2: to be continually coached, and there also has to be

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Speaker 2: an understanding that we're all going to make mistakes.

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Speaker 3: It's not going to be perfect.

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Speaker 2: And I think that just having that open line of communication,

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Speaker 2: leaning on the people around you, understanding that we're all

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Speaker 2: on the same page, I think has been a really

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Speaker 1: And speaking continuing, how do you get there? How do

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Speaker 1: you get consistency? Because again we've seen the snapshots over

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Speaker 1: the years of Kyler doing things again that most humans

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Speaker 1: So how do you get it consistent? Because it's not

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Speaker 1: just the feat, it's the ball placement, it's the accuracy,

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Speaker 1: which never gets talked about. It shouldn't say never, It

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Speaker 1: certainly nationally where it should. But how do you get

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Speaker 1: to a point where it's week in week out like

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes, Tom Brady, the great players that have won

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Speaker 2: I think it's a little bit of kind of what

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Speaker 2: I mentioned earlier. It's never being satisfied with their performance

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Speaker 2: and understanding that while it was exceptional, and I said

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Speaker 3: But it doesn't mean it was perfect. And there's things

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Speaker 3: that we can work on.

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Speaker 2: There's things that we can clean up, there's things that

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Speaker 2: we can be better at, and if we continue to

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Speaker 2: strive for that, we're going to have a pretty good

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Speaker 2: outcome down the line. And if we don't and we're hey,

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Speaker 2: we're good, we got there, We're you know, I'm all

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Speaker 2: I need to be. I think that plateau is in

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Speaker 2: you start to see that decline. So it's you have

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Speaker 2: to constantly be working at your craft and kind of

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Speaker 2: see where you can be better, how you can be better,

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Speaker 2: whether it's feet, whether it's decision making, accuracy, all of it,

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Speaker 2: I think is never going to be perfect. And I

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Speaker 2: think our mindset of no matter when lost draw, how

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Speaker 2: think that's really really important for him and for our

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Speaker 1: Drew, where's the communication the first couple of games compared

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Speaker 1: to where it was the second half of last year

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Speaker 1: in terms of how much you guys are talking, whether

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Speaker 1: it's in between series or during the week, about Hey,

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Speaker 1: I like this here, I'm seeing this, how do you

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Speaker 1: feel about this? Is? There a lot of back and

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Speaker 2: And honestly, it's funny like there might even be a

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Speaker 2: of I can I like know the answer before I

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Speaker 2: there had to be a lot of those conversations like

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Speaker 2: are you feeling good about this?

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Speaker 3: What are we thinking here?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 3: This is how I see this? This how you see this?

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Speaker 2: Now, It's like some of those conversations are like the

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Speaker 2: second I watch him run and play, I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's not feeling that. I don't need to ask, you know,

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Speaker 2: And that doesn't mean those conversations don't still happen, but

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Speaker 2: I think sometimes they don't need to be verbalized as

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Speaker 2: much as maybe they were when we first started working together.

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Speaker 1: Let's move to Marvin Harrison Junior. I know you had

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Speaker 1: said after the game and Kyler as well and JG

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Speaker 1: that the ball's going where it's supposed to go. But

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Speaker 1: how much early on were you putting Kyler position where

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Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison's going to get the ball, meaning he's the

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Speaker 2: Or yeh, it's funny, And I know that quote kind

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Speaker 2: of got blown out of aportion. I love that quote,

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Speaker 2: and I told him that like that. That's what I've

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Speaker 2: Marvel's here, Like, it's never his job to figure out

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Speaker 2: who gets the ball. My job is to organize the

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Speaker 2: his help, and then he's got to go out there

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Speaker 2: and play what he sees. I think that's a really

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't say it was any more than the Buffalo game.

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Speaker 2: he's going to be one or two, and a lot

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Speaker 2: of the progressions in what we do not all the time.

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Speaker 2: But you know, it doesn't drastically change how the game

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Speaker 2: on the look, and I was really happy to see

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Speaker 2: him have that success. But I don't think it was

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Speaker 2: drastically different terms away.

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Speaker 1: It was built of the wa Kyler played. Same question

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Speaker 1: I asked you about Kyler for Marvin, have you ever

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Speaker 1: seen what we saw in the first quarter by a

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Speaker 1: receiver in your previous stops? It'd be hard.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I've been around some good players, but that was,

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Speaker 2: you know, just that catch in the back of the

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Speaker 2: feet down I thought was exceptional. And just his feel

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Speaker 2: So it was an impressive reformans for sure.

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Speaker 1: What were some of the things he did week two

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I think ultimately that comes to the players. You know,

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Speaker 1: Back to James, knowing some people in the Steelers organization,

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Speaker 2: I think Trey's learned a ton from James, just about

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Speaker 1: You're multiple tight ends said a lot. Elijah Higgins is

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Speaker 1: You talk about Trey being a mentor early on. You know,

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Speaker 1: I don't expect you to get into game planning at all,

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Speaker 2: it's kind of like, hey, we got to go win

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Speaker 1: It, it's going to be physical, right, I mean, just

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Speaker 3: I think we embrace that. I know they embrace that.

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Speaker 3: So I think it's going to be an exciting one

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Speaker 1: I know your focus as the Lions, but I do

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Speaker 1: want to ask you a little bit here in the

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Speaker 1: closing minutes just about kind of the difference for you

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Speaker 1: year one to year two as a play caller. What

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Speaker 1: do you think has been the biggest difference early on

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Speaker 1: here for you in year two.

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Speaker 3: Having Kyler healthy certainly, certainly is a big difference.

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Speaker 2: You know a lot of people have asked me that,

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Speaker 2: and I don't feel like it's been in massive transformation.

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Speaker 2: I think certainly there's things you do throughout a game,

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Speaker 2: throughout a week, throughout the season where you're like, all right, hey,

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Speaker 2: next time we do that, I want to tweak this

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Speaker 2: or change that, or be a little different here. I

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Speaker 2: think I'm always going to be doing that to some extent,

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Speaker 2: and there's things I change. I'm like, no, no, no, that's

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Speaker 2: not it. Let's go back to the way we did it,

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Speaker 2: you know, three weeks ago. I think that's part of

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Speaker 2: me trying to improve my process. If we're going to

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Speaker 2: ask the players to, hey, you got to constantly be

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Speaker 2: evaluating your performance, where can you be better? I think I,

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Speaker 2: as a coach have to do that. And certainly there's

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Speaker 2: been a number of areas, whether it's game management, just

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Speaker 2: how we put the playing together, how we use different personnel.

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Speaker 2: But I think at the end of the day, I

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Speaker 2: don't know if that will ever change year one to

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Speaker 2: two or year ten to eleven, you know, if I'm

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Speaker 2: ever lucky to have that opportunity.

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Speaker 3: So it's been fun getting a chance to do it again.

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Speaker 2: And it's certainly always a little bit more fun when

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Speaker 2: the players are playing at a high level. And I've

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Speaker 2: been fortunate enough to have those guys out there who can.

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Speaker 1: Do that when you're self scouted in the offseason and

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Speaker 1: look back. Was there anything you said, okay, that there's

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Speaker 1: something there that I need to specifically grow?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I guess.

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Speaker 2: I guess I can't necessarily say all those on radio,

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Speaker 2: but absolutely there's definitely areas in terms of how we're

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Speaker 2: using certain people or certain situational football where I'm saying,

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Speaker 2: all right, I'm too predictable here, I don't really love

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Speaker 2: you know, my mindset. They're kind of based on what

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Speaker 2: I thought needed to be done over time. I want

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Speaker 2: to shift or I want to change, and that has

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Speaker 2: to be intentional. I think that's not going to be

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Speaker 2: natural at all times. You have to force some of

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Speaker 2: those on yourself to make sure that you understand why

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Speaker 2: you're doing it. You put the playing together to make

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Speaker 2: sure you're staying consistent with it, and that that's been

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Speaker 2: I think something we've tried to be as a staff

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Speaker 2: move into year two better than we a year ago

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Speaker 2: last one.

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Speaker 1: The vibe with JG and the conversations that the two

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Speaker 1: of you have during the week and on game day

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Speaker 1: and during the game and after the game, how would

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Speaker 1: you say that's similar to last year? How would you

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Speaker 1: say that's different from last year, and you may, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if people.

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Speaker 3: Agree. I think they.

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Speaker 2: I think those conversations have been the same since we

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Speaker 2: started working together eleven years ago, and just in terms

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Speaker 2: of the way we view the game, the way we

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Speaker 2: talk about the game, the way we see the game,

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Speaker 2: I think is very similar. I think we're both very

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Speaker 2: honest about what happened, what didn't happen, why had happened,

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Speaker 2: where we can be better as a head coach, as

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Speaker 2: a coordinator, as a team, you know. So I think

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Speaker 2: that's what makes it fun for me. I mean, those relationships,

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Speaker 2: those conversations, that's why we got close when we were

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Speaker 2: young coaches. I don't think those conversations have really changed

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Speaker 2: in any way, shape or form.

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Speaker 3: Which is pretty cool like that, you know.

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Speaker 2: And I'm lucky to come to work with a guy

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Speaker 2: who I believe in as much I believe in him,

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Speaker 2: and just to learn from him and interact with him,

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Speaker 2: I think has been really special for me.

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Speaker 1: Well, this past week was fun to watch. You're deservedly

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Speaker 1: so getting a lot of praise for it. But I

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Speaker 1: know in your mind you're already on the Detroit But

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Speaker 1: congratulations so far in the start thanks for coming on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, appreciate thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Great stuff from Drew Man. He's all business, all ball,

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Speaker 1: and he talks in sound bites. It's as if like

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Speaker 1: he's talking about this stuff in his sleep. That he

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Speaker 1: has done so much homework in studying the tape and

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Speaker 1: looking at the strengths and weaknesses of his players and

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Speaker 1: then thinking of ways, new ways and also creative ways,

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Speaker 1: maybe to revisit some things that have been successful in

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Speaker 1: the past, about putting those stars in position to succeed

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Speaker 1: again this week because all of us consider and talk

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Speaker 1: about how great a job he did against the Rams,

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Speaker 1: but Drew knows it's all now about what's next with

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Speaker 1: the Detroit lines. But still great stuff about Kyler, the

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Speaker 1: relationship and trust that he's built with Kyler, and the

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